MSNBC cancels Imus simulcast.
By on Apr 11th, 2007 at 7:11 pm
MSNBC cancels Imus simulcast.
“MSNBC said Wednesday it will drop its simulcast of the ‘Imus in the Morning’ radio program, responding to growing outrage over the radio host’s racial slur against the Rutgers women’s basketball team. … But it did not end calls for Imus to be fired from the radio portion of his program. The show originates from WFAN-AM in New York City and is syndicated nationally by Westwood One, both of which are managed by CBS Corp. For its part, CBS has not announced plans to discontinue the show.”
UPDATE: Media Matters statement is HERE.
UPDATE II: Another question: Where’s Russert?
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If I were CBS Radio or MSNBC, I’d not want him on my airwaves. This kind of racial and cheuvanistic talk is not appropriate on radio show, in music, in casual conversation or ANYWHERE…
April 11th, 2007 at 7:16 pmDump Imus – does not hurt Imus – will hurt all the good works that he does – which of you will now be standing up to fill the gap …. step up quickly now children are dying.
April 11th, 2007 at 7:17 pmwhat a faux disgrace
Well it looks like we managed to push our little scapegoat right off the cliff.
So now that we’ve cost an man his job are race relations all better now and we can go back to work?
Or do we still have to nail him to a cross or something?
April 11th, 2007 at 7:17 pmYou know, I really don’t get the sense that Imus is a racist, or that he was being hateful with that comment. More likely he thought he was being clever by showing off his knowledge of gangsta lingo. On the other hand, the piling on that’s going on right now in the media is just stupid. There are people in the media right now who truly are hateful racists (Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc.) , and they get away with it every day.
April 11th, 2007 at 7:21 pmGlad he’s gone. Next!
April 11th, 2007 at 7:22 pmFine. Can we stop beating this dead horse already?
April 11th, 2007 at 7:23 pmSo much for free speech.
April 11th, 2007 at 7:24 pmNBC didn’t really have an option. Once the advertisers start dropping out, there is no alternative for the network. NBC didn’t make a decision; its advertisers did.
The silver lining in this is that advertisers “listen to the market”. Perhaps that means that ass-hats like Limpballs and little Seanie Hannity can be forced into retirement if enough of us boycott their sponsors.
April 11th, 2007 at 7:25 pmfrom the previous thread:
i actually would have like to have seen him squirm a bit longer…
kept the discussion going a LOT longer…
and spread the “love†to all the other hate mongers on the teevee…
this may have the effect of sweeping the problem under the rug…
there are too many REAL racists and bigots out there…
kind of curious why imus was picked on…
April 11th, 2007 at 7:25 pmhartmann and randi have played clips of boortz, savage, beck, etc. saying some really horrible things…
i hope this means their time is coming also…
How long before he starts writing a book about this.
The next few days will determine what kind of guy he is. If he act arrogant, we’ll all know he didn’t learn anything. If he’s humble, there may be hope for him. Time will tell.
April 11th, 2007 at 7:26 pmThere are people in the media right now who truly are hateful racists (Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc.) , and they get away with it every day.
Well put, though I must faceitously disagree with listing Glenn Beck as part of the ‘etc’. (haha) Should have been the first one listed…okay maybe after Coultergeist.
April 11th, 2007 at 7:28 pmSo now that we’ve cost an man his job are race relations all better now and we can go back to work?
Comment by I WORFEUS
Hundreds of millions of people in the whole world are jobless. Why would anyone care about a sad, frustrated guy who speaks nonsense at a mike?
April 11th, 2007 at 7:28 pmNot sure if my last post went through, I’ll try again.
How long before Imus has a book out about this? We’ll see by his behavior in the next few days if he learned anything about this.
April 11th, 2007 at 7:28 pmSpeech is still free….it’s the consequences that suck.
You have the right to free speech, as long as your not dumb enough to actually try it.
—— Joe Strummer
April 11th, 2007 at 7:29 pmThe wind has shifted. Night has ended and the dawn has come. Let good manners and fairness rule the day.
April 11th, 2007 at 7:32 pmHe’s a multi-millionaire. I doubt he will suffer in the same ways that most people who have lost their jobs under W have. The culture of mean is coming to an end.
April 11th, 2007 at 7:36 pmMore likely he thought he was being clever by showing off his knowledge of gangsta lingo.
Comment by Del Capslock — April 11, 2007 @ 7:21 pm
Thats exactly what I see when I look at the ENTIRE tape.
You can’t just look at the comment out of context.
Was it a racist comment? Sure.
Did he mean to smear their race?
Absolutely not.
He was trying to “console” the Rutgers players on their loss by stating how “rough” they played, and how amazon street tough they looked.
He even contrasts that to the Tennessee team, commenting how in comparison, they looked “cute”.
He indicated he was SURPRISED Tennessee team was able to beat such a strong team as Rutgers.
Unfortunately the nut ended up using words that were taken offensive.
Ok.
So you apologize, explain sorry, I used the wrong words to say something, and my meaning was positive, not negative, it merely came out wrong.
Then, the BIG person, ACCEPTS the apology and moves on.
And I am sure left to their own devices this team would have accepted his apology and moved on.
If Al Sharpton had let them.
But he didn’t. Instead Al Sharpton REJECTED Don Imus’ ORIGINAL apology (which everyone said sounded contrite, honest and sincere) and blew this whole thing into the 24 hours news spectacle it has become.
When we attribute racist intentions when there are clearly none intended, we do more than a disservice to the individual whose life we are so apathetically destroying. We do a disservice to the struggle against REAL racism, where REAL harm is being done.
If you guys wanna call this a victory thats up to you. And if you want to brand me because of my position, thats fine too. But all I see is one little off the cuff remark, turning into the biggest spectacle of ruining lives, enticing hatred and creating a witch hunt environment much like the right wing does over terrorism. In fact, although I’ve suddenly, after 2 years of standing up for liberal democracy, have been branded a right wing troll, it is you guys who sound like the right wing.
Fearmongering and spreading rumors upon rumors about a shock jock who said something stupid. (like that never happens) Big people “accept” apologies. Little people do not.
April 11th, 2007 at 7:36 pmWhy is Rush, Hannity, O’Brian and the likes still on the air, they are going after this bigot, what about all the other rethug bigots, and rethugs are BIGOTS big time.
April 11th, 2007 at 7:38 pmBig deal. Who listens to him anyway? So can we now get to Ann C, Rush L, Bill O’, et. al.? No? Well, I guess we have to wait until they slur AfricanAmericans to get them fired! People like this have no place in public life. Get rid of all of them. Boycott!
Now, let’s get ShrubyChene out of the white house.
April 11th, 2007 at 7:41 pmThis is not a free speech issue. He’s allowed to say whatever he wants; just like NBC is allowed to get rid of him if they don’t like it.
April 11th, 2007 at 7:42 pmHundreds of millions of people in the whole world are jobless. Why would anyone care about a sad, frustrated guy who speaks nonsense at a mike?
Comment by Juan C — April 11, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
Well first off all he was one of the most visible and vocal opponents we had to the Bush administration. Shooting down people who are on our side when they really screw up is one thing. But patronizing to the racial fearmongering of Al Sharpton over a few words that were clearly not INTENDED to be racist is just shooting ourselves in the foot. Which we’re good at.
But more its the principle of the thing Juan.
We are doing a disservice to the real struggle for racial equality, and casting off a guilty national conscience onto one man like the Jews to the SAIR, like that somehow is going to help heal our own issues with race.
And for the next 6 months white people will walk around on eggshells and patronize to the various minorties to make themselves seem above reproach, and then someone will say something about someone until we’re right back to where we started.
If we want to heal racial relations, we first have to stop taken offense where none is intended.
April 11th, 2007 at 7:45 pmYou all seem to think that if someone is conservative that they are a raciest or a bigot. That’s the only response (lame as it is) that you have with a viewpoint that you don’t agree with. Can’t counter the point with a real counter point. Call them a racist, that’s the progressive way.
April 11th, 2007 at 7:45 pmI think this is blown waaaay the hell out of proportion…why is he getting all this flack? There are people who have said WAAAAAy worse…Ann Coulter for instance.
Double standards in “race relations.”
April 11th, 2007 at 7:49 pmWhile there is general agreement in our liberal blogosphere with the calls by Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson for Imus’ firing by CBS Radio and MSNBC, there is a disappointing silence when its comes to Sharpton and Jackson’s own histories of hate speech and racial intolerance.
For the details, see:
April 11th, 2007 at 7:50 pm“Don Imus’ Troubled Future, Al Sharpton’s Troubling Past.”
You all seem to think that if someone is conservative that they are a raciest or a bigot. Comment by Kevin — April 11, 2007 @ 7:45 pm
It’s a safe bet. You forgot homophobic, religious zealot though. You need to add that to round out the typical package.
That’s the only response (lame as it is) that you have with a viewpoint that you don’t agree with. Comment by Kevin — April 11, 2007 @ 7:45 pm
That’s the only response you have (lame as it is) to a viewpoint you don’t agree with?
Can’t counter the point with a real counter point. Call them a racist, that’s the progressive way. Comment by Kevin — April 11, 2007 @ 7:45 pm
Yeah, that’s how racism works. When you can’t counter racism with anything relevant, you’re a racist – like yourself. When you defend racism, you become a racist. Dum bass.
April 11th, 2007 at 7:51 pmHi Worfeus,
I agree and disagree with you.
Because I type slowly, I’ll send this now as I type my message.
Thanks for your patience.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:02 pmComment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — April 11, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
You don’t know me. Never talked to me. But you feel it’s safe to call me a racist.
Why?
April 11th, 2007 at 8:03 pmHi True.
I shall await your next installment.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:07 pmWhen we attribute racist intentions when there are clearly none intended, we do more than a disservice to the individual whose life we are so apathetically destroying. We do a disservice to the struggle against REAL racism, where REAL harm is being done.
If you guys wanna call this a victory thats up to you. And if you want to brand me because of my position, thats fine too. But all I see is one little off the cuff remark, turning into the biggest spectacle of ruining lives, enticing hatred and creating a witch hunt environment much like the right wing does over terrorism. In fact, although I’ve suddenly, after 2 years of standing up for liberal democracy, have been branded a right wing troll, it is you guys who sound like the right wing.
OK,
I totally agree with you that Imus is being scapegoated.
When one listens to the tapes, it’s Bernard that eggs Don on by saying “Ho’s” first.
I have said before, Bernard is a racist. He does the voice of ‘Ray Naygen’ and is offensive. He also is ‘Cardinal Egan’, and that is equally offensive to all races.
Imus has a screen in front of him that his little minions can type on and he sees in real time.
Bernard said “Ho” first.
I’m betting he typed the rest and Imus was stupid enough to read it.
Now, the part where I disagree……
April 11th, 2007 at 8:11 pmImus went to Sharpton. He invited Sharpton to be involved.
Of course, this fact puts the panties of the kookbag rascism-defending gasbag zipperheads all onto a big twist. Ouchie!
Reality has a way of doing that to the self-righteous.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:11 pmImus constantly has the likes of McCain on, calling him the next Pres.
He never entertains a Dem as next Pres.
Not even Kerry, who is a guest on his show.
He always says he likes him but that he’s too stiff, or other complaints.
You never hear him tell McCain he’s an Alzheimer-riddled has been…
Imus does pander to the right.
Hell, he’s in love with Tim Russert!
So there’s where I disagree with you.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:14 pmI was fun while it lasted eh, Don? You pretended to be a Tim Russert/Howard Stern combo, but your true self must have gotten in the way.
Ho well, you still have your millions.
But now you’re the butt of jokes:
Punishment: Imus Agrees to Become Nappy-Headed Ho
April 11th, 2007 at 8:16 pmYou don’t know me. Never talked to me. But you feel it’s safe to call me a racist. Why? Comment by Kevin — April 11, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
Yeah, right, flat tax idiot. Sorry to inform you, but we all know *exactly* who you are, bigot idiot.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:21 pmSo there’s where I disagree with you.
Comment by trueblue — April 11, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
Ok, well thats certainly fair.
But it doesn’t have any bearing to me on the percieved racism in his statement that so many are trying to say is there.
I am judging this one by the facts. And I don’t see that Imus was trying to be racist at all, and I am glad we agree on that. Then again you always were pretty smart, lol.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:23 pmHave you looked at the fair tax? And why is the fair tax racist?
April 11th, 2007 at 8:26 pmWhen one listens to the tapes, it’s Bernard that eggs Don on by saying “Ho’s†first.
Comment by trueblue — April 11, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
Thats right. And I am glad you noticed that.
Also notice the context Bernard said “Ho’s” in. He said they were “HARDCORE”.
He was “continuing” the vein Imus had started, about how “ROUGH” these girls played.
Imus was clearly complimenting the Rutgers team on being hardcore tough players, and also on being quite LARGE, which is a good thing in basketball. He said they were “Amazons”, which is universally understood to mean “big”, not black. Some people tried to twist that too, but Imus is a sports enthusiast and he likes womens basketball so he was just doing some sports talk and tried to compliment them and ended up using some really stupid words.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:27 pmanother lefty mouth-piece off the air. dont worry you still have rosie!
April 11th, 2007 at 8:28 pm**blush**, Worfeus.
No, I firmly believe Bernard should be tossed because he has said racist things for years.
Imus is just a cowboy hat wearing dupe.
I will never paint you with the troll brush stroke, that’s for sure.
You’re Worfeus!
:)
April 11th, 2007 at 8:28 pmThis is a joke, night after night full coverage of the Imus debacle. give me a break, NHeadedHoes? good lord we are getting thin skinned.
I guess the nation needs a break from these asinine wars we are perpetrating on the world. Bush and Cheney are such scum bag liars an no one seams to even care. Our tax dollars are being used for the most satanic S the world has even seen and all people want to talk about is Imus,.!!! WTF?
April 11th, 2007 at 8:28 pmKevin,
Please take it elsewhere.
Just because VVGFU blew your cover doesn’t mean you get to take over the thread.
Bye-Bye.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:29 pmBut even if he did pander to the right TB, he still has been a very, very vocal critic of the Bush administration lately.
I will be sorry to see that go.
He did have a lot of conservative listeners I am sure, which is why losing his voice is going to be so damaging to our cause.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:29 pmYou’re Worfeus!
:)
Comment by sotrueblue — April 11, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
I AM WORFEUS
April 11th, 2007 at 8:31 pm#20 “McDugan” is right.
The only reason we even know about this guy is because GM, Proctor and Gamble, American Express, and etc. advertise on his show. Their deal with him was “Entertain, but do not offend. We trust that you can be ‘edgy’ without crossing the line. We are paying for that. We are putting out this money so that people will buy our products. Pissed off people won’t buy our products.”
Imus was at work when he made his comments. He embarrased his employers and advertisers while on the job. He broke the deal. No different than a sales rep for a software company doing or saying something offensive and outrageous while on a sales call and having the offended clients calling his superiors to complain. The sales rep is almost always toast when that happens. No difference.
This is much more of an employment issue than a free speech issue. All of the advertisers above made the easy decision – “We don’t want to ruin our image by being associated with this nonsense. See ya, Imus.”
They are not going to parse whether he was just trying to be cool or if he is really racist/sexist.
Re: his Bush-bashing and charity, I appreciate that. But if you are running a construction site and your crane operator is negligent and screws up – do you keep him on just because he is a Bush-basher and is charitable?
April 11th, 2007 at 8:34 pmI have not watched him lately, Worfeus.
I cannot speak to his speaking against the Admin.
I saw him during the election year, where it was Repuke after Repuke.
I’m glad he had a change of heart.
I feel he’s getting the short shrift.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:34 pm(Is that a word?)
This is a joke, night after night full coverage of the Imus debacle. give me a break, NHeadedHoes? good lord we are getting thin skinned.
I guess the nation needs a break from these asinine wars we are perpetrating on the world.
Comment by fish — April 11, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
Another one speaks up.
:D
It’s like a chorus of angels.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:35 pmThe funny thing about these arguments is that politicians and religious leaders say stupid things and they apologise and then it is OK. Even though they really don’t change, (just their image).
April 11th, 2007 at 8:39 pmImus says a stupid thing and even when he apologises he is still wrong.
Is this a double standard?
Your AG has said stupid things. Your President has said stupid things. Your VP has said stupid things.
Stupidity is a human trait.
Apologies should be accepted.
Sharpton should back off and accept the apology.
Sharpton has never said anything stupid?
I hate rascism. It should be eradicted. But reverse rascism is the new order to keep everyone else on their toes.
I’ve been meaning to tell you that I’m glad you’re back.
I didn’t before because, well, I thought it might make you feel funny.
Plus I thought I might be made fun of…. (wierd, I know)
But I was happy to see your name again.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:40 pmNice point, kimmy.
:)
April 11th, 2007 at 8:41 pmImus was at work when he made his comments. He embarrased his employers and advertisers while on the job. He broke the deal. No different than a sales rep for a software company doing or saying something offensive and outrageous while on a sales call and having the offended clients calling his superiors to complain. T
he sales rep is almost always toast when that happens. No difference.
Comment by Triumph — April 11, 2007 @ 8:34 pm
Well there is one minor difference.
When a sales rep for a software company screws up like this, there isn’t 200 Million dollars worth of air time dedicated to a 24\7 news jamboree.
:|
But you do make some reasoned points, and I don’t disagree with he needed to be punished. And if firing is what it took then fine, I’m not in the radio business.
But we are doing much more than firing this man.
We are blacklisting him.
And thats a bad way for a democracy to fly.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:42 pmHave you looked at the fair tax? And why is the fair tax racist?
Comment by Kevin — April 11, 2007 @ 8:26 pm
You think *taxes* are a *race* of *humans*? Wow, no wonder you’re such a st*pid bigot.
I’m quite familiar with the fat tax, that only helps fat cats, and greedy brats hoping to get some money from grand-dad.
You however, have always been utterly clueless on the matter. St*pid fools like you never learn.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:42 pm#16 – “When we attribute racist intentions when there are clearly none intended, we do more than a disservice to the individual whose life we are so apathetically destroying. We do a disservice to the struggle against REAL racism, where REAL harm is being done.”
You know it wasn’t clear to a LOT of people, not just Rev. Sharpton, Rev. Jackson, the Rutgers Women’s Basketball team, and me. The employees of MSNBC seemed to think there were clearly racist intentions on the part of Imus and his cohorts, and they clearly thought that this was not the FIRST TIME those racist intentions were CLEAR on his program.
Now for your self-serving statement that, “We do a disservice to the struggle against REAL racism, where REAL harm is being done.” Exactly what do YOU see as the “REAL racism” and the “REAL harm” that has been your mantra since this issue arose?
More importantly what are you doing (besides CONDEMNING those with whom you disagree) to reverse “…REAL racism, where REAL harm is being done.”?
Why do I suspect that it is very little?
April 11th, 2007 at 8:43 pmI didn’t before because, well, I thought it might make you feel funny.
Comment by trueblue — April 11, 2007 @ 8:40 pm
I feel funny
April 11th, 2007 at 8:43 pmLOL, just kidding.
NICE to see you too TRUE.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:44 pmWhere was all the screaming over Rush/Beck ? I always turn off Imus but compared to these other people that get a free pass Imus is mickey mouse. I heard an awful lot of complaining from the black community when Bill Cosby said that blacks need to clean up their act (aka hip hop hoes and bitches and gangsters etc…) … Either embrace this embaressing way of conducting yourself or live with the inevitable desensitization that will come. Why wasnt Bill Cosby embraced? He doesnt represent a bunch of animalistic gang bangers and prostitutes…just decent living… and now Imus tries talking smack like the blacks do themselves and there is shock SHOCK! … hell I am shocked just about everytime I turn past MTV or BET.
How about a deal? Imus goes down and so does immoral hip hop/gangsta rap and the Hee Haw Rush Limbaugh gang?
April 11th, 2007 at 8:44 pmNow if only the networks that carry low-lifes like Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Hannity, Coulter, and the rest of the ‘anti-everybody but me’ would follow the example of MSNBC and fire all of these cretins and do the world a favor.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:44 pmI don’t appreciate my comments being edited.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:44 pmI feel funny
Comment by I WORFEUS
LOL, just kidding.
OY!
Don’t do that!
I felt so bad for a second there….
…you’re like one of my big brothers with the false guilt…..
April 11th, 2007 at 8:51 pmgrrr…
;)
Rush is such an arrogant elitist ignoramus that it is only a matter of time before he brings himself down.
Watch.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:52 pm“now Imus tries talking smack like the blacks do themselves”
that’s great.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:53 pmNow for your self-serving statement that, “We do a disservice to the struggle against REAL racism, where REAL harm is being done.â€
Exactly what do YOU see as the “REAL racism†and the “REAL harm†that has been your mantra since this issue arose?
Comment by hterrya — April 11, 2007 @ 8:43 pm
Well, I am not exactly sure how that statement is self serving, but ok, if you say so.
What do I see as “REAL” racism that does REAL HARM?
Gee I don’t know…… lemme see………
well, we could start with a couple of good ole boys down in Texas dragging a man behind a pickup until his skin was removed simply because he was black.
How be we start there and work our way back?
April 11th, 2007 at 8:57 pmThe only reason Imus lost his job is because he speaks out against the administration. The admin saw a way to use their MSM to kill Imus’ career. McCarthism at its finest.
I don’t particularly like Imus (I can’t understand most of what he says) But, he was usually talking smack on the admin. True, he is not a liberal, he is just an old school conservative. You know like the kind of conservative that Bush isn’t.
But, this is just the latest Anna Nichole Smith, missing white girl story that is being blown way out of proportion.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:58 pmI feel funny
Comment by I WORFEUS
trueblue does that to guys. :-D
April 11th, 2007 at 8:58 pmWorfeus,
Thanks for your feedback.
In terms of the media coverage, clearly part of it is the cult of celebrity ala Anna Nicole, and etc.
But part of it is legitimate. Imus’ currency is measured by his ability to reach a significant audience. The media doesn’t see someone of his stature (one of their own – so to speak) get dislodged everyday.
As far as being “blacklisted” – I wouldn’t go that far just yet. He’ll be on ice for awhile, for sure. But he could be back sooner than you think.
Look at Bill Maher.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:00 pmJesus you have great timing, Zooey!
April 11th, 2007 at 9:01 pmYou know it wasn’t clear to a LOT of people, not just Rev. Sharpton, Rev. Jackson, the Rutgers Women’s Basketball team, and me.
Comment by haterrya — April 11, 2007 @ 8:43 pm
Then you all need to stop shouting so much and start listening.
LISTEN to the tape.
Listen to the ENTIRE tape and see for yourself.
IMUS clearly was trying to pay an offhanded compliment to the Rutgers team by stating they were strong, and ROUGH, and BIG GIRLS, compared to the little Tennessee players who he described in comparison as “Cute”.
He was saying he was amazed that such a hardcore team as Rutgers was defeated by the Tennessee team, and its clear if you just try listening to the tape.
LISTEN HERE
April 11th, 2007 at 9:05 pmtrueblue does that to guys. :-D
Comment by Zooey — April 11, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
Feeling funnier….
April 11th, 2007 at 9:07 pm#60 – Comment by I(mus) WHOREFEUS — April 11, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
Your reply was like most of your comments – Half-fast.
You didn’t answer this question:
More importantly what are you doing (besides CONDEMNING those with whom you disagree) to reverse “…REAL racism, where REAL harm is being done.�
April 11th, 2007 at 9:08 pmhonestly, the “compliment” defense is really patronizing. some of imus’s other “compliments” include calling people quota hires and cleaning ladies. but hey, i’m just a crazy radical like cal ripken.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:09 pmStop!!!!!
Zooey, grrrr…….
April 11th, 2007 at 9:10 pmI don’t particularly like Imus (I can’t understand most of what he says)
Comment by Spudge_Boy — April 11, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
Yea I get that too. It always sounds to me like he’s mumbling.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:12 pmBut, this is just the latest Anna Nichole Smith, missing white girl story that is being blown way out of proportion.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — April 11, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
A-freakinMen
April 11th, 2007 at 9:13 pmMore importantly what are you doing (besides CONDEMNING those with whom you disagree) to reverse “…REAL racism, where REAL harm is being done.�
Comment by hterrya
Why dont you do a search of this site with the name WORFEUS … more than likely you will find many posts…no speeches really about the evil of human racism and bigotry.
Quite frankly though he doesnt need to do anything in this regard to still be factually correct in this situation.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:13 pmMore importantly what are you doing (besides CONDEMNING those with whom you disagree) to reverse “…REAL racism, where REAL harm is being done.�
Comment by hterrya — April 11, 2007 @ 9:08 pm
Who are you? Rosa Parks?
What am I supposed to be doing?
I condemn it when I see it like any decent person would. I am not an activist or public figure, and I don’t think speaking my mind in a blog neccesitates that I become one.
You’ll find that I take my own position on issues. Not necessarily my parties, and I don’t care if its popular or not. If I see wrong doing, to anyone, I shine a light on it.
If that bothers you, then don’t come a bloggin.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:17 pmFeeling funnier….
Comment by I WORFEUS
Heh.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:18 pmStop!!!!!
Zooey, grrrr…….
Comment by trueblue
What!? :D
April 11th, 2007 at 9:19 pmWhere were you guys yesterday when I was gettin my ass kicked?
lol
April 11th, 2007 at 9:19 pm#54
Gerald
A few points.
Re: Cosby – Cosby WAS EMBRACED by a lot of Blacks. And he was challenged by some. You got to view the conflict between him and the camp that challenged him – because that’s what sells. “DJ ‘So and So’ RIPS COSBY” vs. “Middle-aged Black Man Shakes Bill Cosby’s hand in support” — which one do you think the MSM is going to run with?
Re: “Imus tries talking smack like the blacks do themselves and there is shock SHOCK!” … You may want to re-think this scenario. If CBS’s Greg Gumbel or ESPN’s Stuart Scott had said this – they’d be gone, too.
Re: “Where’s the outrage over offensive hip hop/rap?”
The backlash against toxic rap/hip hop is starting. Slowly. There is a documentary that aired on PBS called “Beyond Beats and Rhymes” by Byron Hurt.
He takes toxic hip hop/rap to task on the issues you raise. On PBS site – the comments section was jammed with people thanking him and supporting him for making the challenge. PBS today, BET tomorrow? Maybe. Let’s hope.
Will it gather the same momentum as the Imus thing? No. Will the backlash against toxic hip hop/rap be as successful? With great difficulty, if at all.
It is easier to go after the singular repeat offender like Imus and Crew than it is to go after a “here today gone tomorrow” offensive and rude hip hop/rap group. In addition, when a big name like Imus insults ten or twelve actual women – it becomes more real compared to a group of relatively obscure guys insulting womanhood in general, as these offensive rap lyrics tend to do. But, hopefully this Imus thing could be a catalyst to move things along in that area.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:24 pmSorry, Worfeus,
You were getting your butt kicked?
How dare they?
Zooey was probably in school.
I was probably avoiding the trolls!
April 11th, 2007 at 9:25 pmhonestly, the “compliment†defense is really patronizing. some of imus’s other “compliments†include calling people quota hires and cleaning ladies. but hey, i’m just a crazy radical like cal ripken.
Comment by pgw
He WAS complementing them. Listen to it. Imus was stumbling around trying to be his usual old crotchedy bad mouthed self and tried mixing it with “black talk”… which totally made him sound crotchedy + insulting. If you live in “white America” I suggest when you are at the DMV or something listen to the people around you… blacks and whites… you might be shocked… but that is REALITY.
This guy has every right to be HIMSELF… he was not using hate speech. He was not trying to call for the abuse of blacks… His usual gig is to be insulting and grumpy… which is exactly what he did (unfortunately for him) about a group of young people that represent the good parts of this country that is left (young smart achievers)… not some crooked politician. He choose a bad target but he didnt do anything out of the ordinary… after all where did he learn to say that phrase? From TV and radio which is spreading what is coming from hiphop/rap. Maybe hiphop/rap needs to cleanup its own house before beating down someone else using THEIR right to free speech.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:25 pmWhere were you guys yesterday when I was gettin my ass kicked?
lol
Comment by I WORFEUS
It didn’t look to me like you were taking an ass-kicking, Worfeus. You handled yourself well, as usual.
I’ve come down a bit from yesterday, and even though it pisses me off that those words came out of Imus’ mouth, I can see now that he’s a benign idiot — not a malignant racist like Coulter, Beck, O’Reilly, etc.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:26 pmhonestly, the “compliment†defense is really patronizing.
Comment by pgw — April 11, 2007 @ 9:09 pm
Why acknowlleging facts patronizing?
Imus was talking sports. He said the Tennessee team was brave for taking on the Rutgers team, and that he was surprised they won.
Listen to the video again, and you will see that.
I’ll take patronizing the truth over patronizing a mob anyday.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:29 pmI’ve come down a bit from yesterday, and even though it pisses me off that those words came out of Imus’ mouth, I can see now that he’s a benign idiot — not a malignant racist like Coulter, Beck, O’Reilly, etc.
Comment by Zooey — April 11, 2007 @ 9:26 pm
You’re a class act Zooey.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:30 pm#72 – Sorry, Gerald Gibson Jr., defending I(mus) WHOREFEUS, defending Imus, doesn’t do it for me. WHOREFEUS needs to speak for himself.
He thinks he’s a big boy, in fact he thinks this thread is about HIM. So let him speak. But, I want to hear about his DEEDS, not his blathering. Talk is cheap.
Loud mouths like his will NEVER bring healing to the racial divide in this country, if it is only TALK.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:30 pmBut I was happy to see your name again.
Comment by trueblue — April 11, 2007 @ 8:40 pm
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 11, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
Me too ! You have raised the average I.Q here several points.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:30 pmI listened to the tape in full just now.
Not only did Bernard, the racist on the show, first say “Hardcore Ho’s”
he then said “Jigabo’s vs the Wannabe’s”
Jigabo’s
Listen to it again.
They’ve got the wrong person.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:31 pm“Imus tries talking smack like the blacks do themselves and there is shock SHOCK!†… You may want to re-think this scenario. If CBS’s Greg Gumbel or ESPN’s Stuart Scott had said this – they’d be gone, too.
Comment by Triumph
Good points over all… But on this comment I remember Jon Stewart telling Tucker that the Daily Show is not news and he is a comedian not a journalist so he doesnt have to be held to the same standard. From what I have seen on this site Imus is supposed to be a comedian… though I rarely hear him say anything funny except when shooting down politicians.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:31 pmThe admin saw a way to use their MSM to kill Imus’ career. McCarthism at its finest.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — April 11, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
Interesting take on the situation.
I tend to agree with you and Worfeus, to a certain extent, that this whole thing is getting a little out of proportion; like you, I don’t even like Imus.
Personally, I would like to see some action taken to curb the hate speech spewed by the worst offenders -worst, by far, than Imus. We all know who they are.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:34 pmYou’re a class act Zooey.
Comment by I WORFEUS
**blush**
Back at ya, Worfeus.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:34 pm“I’ll take patronizing the truth over patronizing a mob anyday.”
and i’ll take you sitting down with the rutgers team and explaining to them that it was supposed to be a compliment.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:36 pmHe WAS complementing them. Listen to it. Imus was stumbling around trying to be his usual old crotchedy bad mouthed self and tried mixing it with “black talkâ€â€¦
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — April 11, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
Thats EXACTLY what happened.
When other people start to feel comfortable enough to address this, and TALK about it, and examine what was actually said in the context it was given in, they’ll see this too.
Then we might be able to turn the fire down, and heal some of this divide.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:37 pmComment by hterrya
Sorry,
All I think of is Hyenna when I see your name.
Unfortunately, your posts attacking Worfeus only affirm that supposition.
Open the eyes and mind…..
April 11th, 2007 at 9:38 pmWe love you 1WORFEUS….Good evening Ladies, just passing through….Blessings
April 11th, 2007 at 9:38 pmWhere were you guys yesterday when I was gettin my ass kicked?
lol
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 11, 2007 @ 9:19 pm
So true-they jumped all over me also. You would think that now that Imus is toast that the world is all better and clean again-Damn, safe for democracy. What gripes my a$$ is where is the demand to fire Bernard the real racist ? The damn producer of the show. $hit he called them “jig-a-boo’s”.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:39 pmWHOREFEUS needs to speak for himself.
Comment by hterrya — April 11, 2007 @ 9:30 pm
And just where was I unwilling to do that?
April 11th, 2007 at 9:39 pmand i’ll take you sitting down with the rutgers team and explaining to them that it was supposed to be a compliment.
Comment by pgw
That would be easy… just play the tape. Anyone who bothers to listen to the point he was trying to make it was clear he was trying to say the team was made up of badasses that should have stomped the other team. Real simple really.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:41 pmI was here, remember.?…Blessings
April 11th, 2007 at 9:42 pmHi Sharon
April 11th, 2007 at 9:44 pmin fact he thinks this thread is about HIM.
Comment by hterrya — April 11, 2007 @ 9:30 pm
I do? I thought I was just responding to your barrage of verbal attacks.
Perhaps its you who think this thread is about me?
April 11th, 2007 at 9:45 pm“Anyone who bothers to listen to the point he was trying to make”
maybe you should “bother to listen” to what the rutgers team [or young african-american women for that matter] has to say about his comments. after all, this is supposed to be a discussion, is it not?
April 11th, 2007 at 9:47 pmand i’ll take you sitting down with the rutgers team and explaining to them that it was supposed to be a compliment.
Comment by pgw — April 11, 2007 @ 9:36 pm
I just did. Explain it for them. Perhaps since you seem to know them so well you could have them read post for themselves. I will even be happy to respond to questions.
Or are you trying to insinuate that once they have the capability of shouting me down or doing physical harm to me, then that will somehow validate your opinion?
The mob mentality is the problem. And it sounds like you’re one of the instigators.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:49 pmComment by pgw
I did listen to the coach… she made my eyes water a little bit because she was right about our SOCIETY… the problem is not BLACK or WHITE…. it is GREEN… that is what she said… our society pays for trash talk and trashy women. SHOCKER…. do something about THAT…
April 11th, 2007 at 9:51 pm“Or are you trying to insinuate that once they have the capability of shouting me down or doing physical harm to me, then that will somehow validate your opinion?”
huh?
April 11th, 2007 at 9:52 pmJust a request of I(mus) WHOREFEUS and his buddies. Don’t just stand there talking and talking about how awful the racial divide is (and CONDEMN those like me who don’t agree with them as the CONTRIBUTORS to the divide) and then NOT DO anything to heal it.
As I said before, talk is CHEAP. DO SOMETHING!
April 11th, 2007 at 9:52 pmI was here, remember.?…Blessings
Comment by Sharon The Valiant Warrior Princess — April 11, 2007 @ 9:42 pm
How could I forget?
You were the first one to stand up and say what you saw along with me.
You have my undying respect.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:53 pmThis is a sad day for shock-jock radio. Why couldn’t you guys give him a chance? Jesus gave you many chances, and you continue to sin. As of right now, you sinners should be in hell. But because of his mercy, you’re able to breathe one more minute, hour, day…………………. Why haven’t you libs approached Slick Rick Al (Sharpton) about inflamming the case of the Duke Lacrosse players? They were wrongfully accused by a woman who had a record for making false claims. Sharpton knew that there wasn’t enough proof to charge these upstanding young men. Tonight, I will closely watch BET, VH1, and MTV to locate words that denigrate/degrade the African-American (being politically correct) community (this will be a simple task). I will record each derogatory song with my DVD player. Lastly, I will send a copy to the media executives, to their sponsors, bubble-eyed Jesse (action Jackson) and Slick Rick Al (Sharpton). Let us see how they respond to this issue.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:53 pmI was here, remember.?…Blessings
Comment by Sharon
Hey, Great Lady.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:54 pmmaybe you should “bother to listen†to what the rutgers team [or young african-american women for that matter] has to say about his comments. after all, this is supposed to be a discussion, is it not?
Comment by pgw — April 11, 2007 @ 9:47 pm
So what do they have to say about my comments?
Better question.
What makes you think they are even aware of my comments?
April 11th, 2007 at 9:54 pmLastly, I will send a copy to the media executives, to their sponsors, bubble-eyed Jesse (action Jackson) and Slick Rick Al (Sharpton). Let us see how they respond to this issue.
Comment by Daryll
Knock yourself out, Daryll. Oy….
April 11th, 2007 at 9:55 pm(and CONDEMN those like me who don’t agree with them as the CONTRIBUTORS to the divide) and then NOT DO anything to heal it.
As I said before, talk is CHEAP. DO SOMETHING!
Comment by haterrya — April 11, 2007 @ 9:52 pm
Ok.
So stop talking.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:55 pmComment by Daryll
Did the Internet just get a little bit dumber?
April 11th, 2007 at 9:56 pm#86
Gerald. Thanks for the feedback. I have been a fan of a lot of your posts for awhile. Good to finally talk to you.
Re: Imus – one thing you cannot forget, however, is that if Imus is in fact a comedian – He Is A Corporate Sponsored Comedian. And he knows that. He is the one that signed on the dotted line. The bottom line is to move the cars and the toothpaste and the copier cartridges and the credit applications.
This is where I disagree with the Imus is simply parroting society – so it is okay – approach. It ignores the commercial paradigm. The commercial paradigm is the real show. Imus is (to some) an entertaining personality, so he can be himself – but only to a point. Once he screws up the real show, poof, that’s it.
Re: Beck and Limpbaugh and etc. – I don’t know who their advertisers are. And as repugnent as they are I think they insult mostly public figures – not innocent college girls – so they be somewhat insulated. Just speculating on this – I don’t watch or listen to either very much.
See ya.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:59 pmBack at you all with love and Blessings…Have a Dr. appointment early so outta here…Just usual stuff…Night..
April 11th, 2007 at 10:01 pm“Or are you trying to insinuate that once they have the capability of shouting me down or doing physical harm to me, then that will somehow validate your opinion?â€
huh?
Comment by pgw — April 11, 2007 @ 9:52 pm
Quit grunting.
Or did you think I overlooked your consistent theme for the past day that I go in person to meet the team to explain my position?
In fact, did you think I forgot you also told me to go to the INNER CITY as you put it, and find an “African American” school as you put it an “THEN SAY THESE THINGS”, as you put it……
You’re a rube.
A hack.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:01 pm#100 -
and i’ll take you sitting down with the rutgers team and explaining to them that it was supposed to be a compliment.
Comment by pgw — April 11, 2007 @ 9:36 pm
(I(mus) WHOREFEUS gives a SMART-ASSED comment)
pgw: Didn’t you just KNOW you were going to get anything but the kind of response that takes your request seriously. OF COURSE, WHOREFEUS isn’t going to DO anything. He is just going to blather and blather and blather. ALL talk and NO action!
April 11th, 2007 at 10:02 pm“So what do they have to say about my comments?
Better question.
What makes you think they are even aware of my comments?”
they told me they thought what imus called them was racist. i told them that they were wrong to feel that way because you assured me that what imus said was not racist. then they said that they wish they had a national radio show so they could respond to imus’s remarks, instead of relaying them through me. then they asked me why you weren’t there in person, and i told them that you were afraid that they would ‘do physical harm’ to you.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:05 pmThis is where I disagree with the Imus is simply parroting society – so it is okay – approach. It ignores the commercial paradigm. The commercial paradigm is the real show. Imus is (to some) an entertaining personality, so he can be himself – but only to a point. Once he screws up the real show, poof, that’s it.
Comment by Triumph — April 11, 2007 @ 9:59 pm
Well I agree with you pretty much here and I said that yesterday. I said I thought Imus screwed up, that it was a stupid thing to do because he’s a professional and should know better. I said they gave him a two week suspension and that was fine with me. If they fire him thats their decision too.
I understand business. Its the blacklisting and the hate speech and the 24×7 news cycles beating the racism war drum that got me. Especially when they started out saying he was trying to insult the Rutgers players.
That really made me angry because it was a lie. I hate lies.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:07 pmHey TP is 7:11 west coast time, can you send in a new set of troll’s, these all need a bath and shipment back under the bridge……Thank’s.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:07 pmWorfeus,
I’m confident that you can finish off the hyenna, oops, hterrya…
so i’m going to call it a night.
(yes, I’m a weenie, Zooey!)
;)
Thanks for a great night.
See you tomorrow where we will continue to fight the good fight.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:08 pmImus is gone from MSNBC. Good.
But the work to heal the racial divide won’t begin until people who spend most of their time talking DO something to heal it. I am taking action. How about YOU?
April 11th, 2007 at 10:08 pm“So what do they have to say about my comments?
Better question.
What makes you think they are even aware of my comments?â€
they told me they thought what imus called them was racist. i told them that they were wrong to feel that way because you assured me that what imus said was not racist. then they said that they wish they had a national radio show so they could respond to imus’s remarks, instead of relaying them through me. then they asked me why you weren’t there in person, and i told them that you were afraid that they would ‘do physical harm’ to you.
Comment by pgw — April 11, 2007 @ 10:05 pm
Pgw, I hope you contact BET tomorrow to ban derogatory music. If you don’t, your life is full of hypocrisy.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:10 pm“In fact, did you think I forgot you also told me to go to the INNER CITY as you put it, and find an “African American†school as you put it an “THEN SAY THESE THINGSâ€, as you put it……”
this is what i said:
April 11th, 2007 at 10:10 pm“i know what your position is. but maybe you should go to a high school girls’ basketball game in a predominately african-american area and ask the people there whether they thought what imus said was racist or if they take offense to the term ‘nappyheaded hos.’ i know what your position is, but think beyond your self.”
pgw: Didn’t you just KNOW you were going to get anything but the kind of response that takes your request seriously. OF COURSE, WHOREFEUS isn’t going to DO anything. He is just going to blather and blather and blather. ALL talk and NO action!
Comment by haterrya — April 11, 2007 @ 10:02 pm
What action are you two dimwits taking?
WELL?
All we see you two knuckleheads doing is blathering about me blathering.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:10 pmSee you tomorrow where we will continue to fight the good fight.
Comment by trueblue
Goodnight, true.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:16 pmthey told me they thought what imus called them was racist. i told them that they were wrong to feel that way because you assured me that what imus said was not racist. then they said that they wish they had a national radio show so they could respond to imus’s remarks, instead of relaying them through me. then they asked me why you weren’t there in person, and i told them that you were afraid that they would ‘do physical harm’ to you.
Comment by pgw — April 11, 2007 @ 10:05 pm
You’re so full of shit its coming out of your ears.
You’re also a liar.
I did not say that the reason I was not there is because I was afraid they would do harm to me.
In fact I did not say anything one way or the other about flying to New Jersey.
I pointed out that YOU were trying to intimidate me because you are too dirt stupid to actually debate the issues in here, without demanding I drop everything , spend my time and money to fly to New Jersey and meet with the Rutgers team.
Because you cannot defeat my words in here, you think you somehow have acheived a victory by insisting I travel at your beckoned whim to meet them, and then, once I am surrounded by people who disagree with me, then somehow that will validate your position.
Well you’re a pathetic debator.
But I will offer you this.
If you really do know the Rutgers team then surely they are capable of debating in here like anyone else.
Or don’t they have internet access in New Jersey?
April 11th, 2007 at 10:20 pmIf the Rutgers captian, or any of the team members would like to inquire as to why I did not see racist intent in Don Imus’s comment, then by all means tell them WORFEUS, is at their service.
I shall await their response.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:23 pm“I did not say that the reason I was not there is because I was afraid they would do harm to me.”
jesus, what is about sarcasm that you don’t get? you can rest assured that i did not tell the rutgers team that you were afraid of them. but you did say:
“Or are you trying to insinuate that once they have the capability of shouting me down or doing physical harm to me, then that will somehow validate your opinion?”
and since you don’t seem to understand humor or sarcasm, should i assume that since you replied:
“and i’ll take you sitting down with the rutgers team and explaining to them that it was supposed to be a compliment.
Comment by pgw — April 11, 2007 @ 9:36 pm
I just did.”
that you sat down with the team?
April 11th, 2007 at 10:30 pm#125 – Talk, Talk, Talk. It’s all about YOU, isn’t it I(mus) WHOREFEUS? God help you if you had to DO anything.
Loser!
April 11th, 2007 at 10:30 pmthis is what i said:
“i know what your position is. but maybe you should go to a high school girls’ basketball game in a predominately african-american area and ask the people there whether they thought what imus said was racist or if they take offense to the term ‘nappyheaded hos.’ i know what your position is, but think beyond your self.â€
Comment by pgw — April 11, 2007 @ 10:10 pm
Thats right.
Thats what you said. Thanks for going back and finding it. Because it confirms that I paraphrased you warmly and accurately.
Now.
How would my travelling to the inner city, walking into a school in an all black neighborhood, grabbing the principal and saying to her, “hey, I’m a blogger and this blogger I don’t know and never met named pgw told me to go find a high school where black girls are playing basketball and strike up a race relations conversation with them……
:|
so if you don’t mind I’ll just mosey on down here to the gym and introduce myself as worfeus and get on with it….. cool?”
Amazing.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:32 pmthat you sat down with the team?
Comment by pgw — April 11, 2007 @ 10:30 pm
I don’t live in New Jersey you halfwit.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:33 pm#125 – Talk, Talk, Talk. It’s all about YOU, isn’t it I(mus) WHOREFEUS? God help you if you had to DO anything.
Loser!
Comment by dumbasdirt — April 11, 2007 @ 10:30 pm
You do realize that all you are doing right now is talking….. right?
April 11th, 2007 at 10:34 pmComment by Triumph
I think you are correct. The issue is not a matter of if this way of thinking and feeling and talking is problematic… it is… the issue is context. The context is that this happens everyday… not because it is ok, but because humanity is just NOW starting to come out of the dark ages. We didnt have toilet paper about 60 years ago… thats thousands of years of no toilet paper… get my drift? we are animals… still… hell look at Rush Limbaugh…
And out of all these people that are being angry and relentless and loud mouthed this one guy gets ganged up on like this? If you all want to go on a crusade with MediaMatters.org I am all for it… but a crusade against this general problem not picking on the low hanging fruit of the bunch… if this was Rush he would tell you all to go F%&^ yourself and he would be on the air right now talking about how he was going too easy on you… But Imus wont do that and so down he goes… so lets set some standards and treat ALL MEN EQUALY … or just continue to let freedom ring… which sounds more like F%^&O*&! than ringing .. but thats freedom for you…
April 11th, 2007 at 10:37 pm“How would my travelling to the inner city”
it’s 2007—you don’t have to go to “the inner city” if you want to ask an african-american their opinion.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:37 pmNeither of you can address the issues.
You’re both too stupid to debate the topic.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:39 pm“I don’t live in New Jersey you halfwit.”
really? but my master plan relies on that
April 11th, 2007 at 10:40 pm[p.s.---that's sarcasm]
it’s 2007—you don’t have to go to “the inner city†if you want to ask an african-american their opinion.
Comment by pgw — April 11, 2007 @ 10:37 pm
You’re the idiot that suggested I find an African American school. Well most of them here in DC that are predominately african american are in the INNER CITY.
JACKASS.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:40 pmBut if you want I can spend my day calling private schools in the outlying area and ask them… .”Hey, is your school mostly made up of black girls?”
In fact, here… let me get my calendar out.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:44 pmThat really made me angry because it was a lie. I hate lies.
Comment by I WORFEUS
Exactly. I totally ignored this story for a few days… I generally dont care about he said she said drama BS … but then today I saw the clip and it was all total BS. If it was said on BET there would have been NO REACTION period… but because an old white guy that wont fight back belligerently does it well its time to shout glory! glory! how could this be!? If it was Rush I doubt they would even bother because Rush would just say lay your complaints on that pile right over there… Rush actually sat there and jiggled around making fun of Micheal Foxs sickness and did he get fired? Hell no.
Where is the crusade from Sharpton against Rush for making fun of a “cripple”?
April 11th, 2007 at 10:48 pmThats a good question Gerald.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:53 pmBut TrueBlue was right about Bernard. I pointed that out yesterday.
The word he used I won’t even repeat in here. Its offensive and I can’t believe he said it on the air. It came from now where. He referenced a Spike Lee film, and I’d like to know what he meant by that.
Maybe it was intended to be benign but I’d like to hearhis explanation for what he meant by that. If there is some sort of legitmate reference to a Spike Lee film (joint) then I will consider it in context. But on the surface, and in his manor of delivery, it sounded to me quite racist.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:11 pmI’m sorry, but I find this argument between pgw and Worfeus to be incomprehensible.
Not that I want to jump into the middle of it…..no way.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:14 pmI can’t understand why they are so focused on Imus who did not appear to mean anything racist, when this producer guy who is supposed to watch what Imus says, says something that sounds so bad, why didn’t anyone call him on this?
Barring his providing a reasonable reference to something that would provide a context of comparison to some film or expression intending other than racist design, I’d have fired him on the spot.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:14 pm#7 You prove you have no idea what free speech and the Constitution actually is. The first amendment protects a person’s speech against government intrusion, not against negative consequences. You righties are so uneducated.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:15 pm#135 – You’re so-called “concern” about the “…REAL racism, where REAL harm is being done.†is mighty shallow. It is just all TALK. I am doing something about it. You can’t bring yourself to even talk to people of color about REAL racism, where REAL harm is being done to them.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:15 pmIncomprehensible? How so?
April 11th, 2007 at 11:15 pm#139 Ain’t nothing that comes out of McJerks’s mouth that isn’t offensive.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:16 pmIncomprehensible? How so?
Comment by I WORFEUS
I must be missing something. Are you supposed to be going to Rutgers to ask the team what they think of your comments here? WTF?
April 11th, 2007 at 11:18 pm#139 Actually those terms were used by Spike Lee in a movie to shine the light on racism. Doesn’t matter though, since he is a racist pig, too.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:19 pmI am doing something about it.
Comment by hterrya — April 11, 2007 @ 11:15 pm
What? What are you doing about it?
April 11th, 2007 at 11:19 pm#140 – Comment by Zooey — April 11, 2007 @ 11:14 pm
“I’m sorry, but I find this argument between pgw and Worfeus to be incomprehensible.”
Sorry, Zooey, I find your finding the argument to be “incomprehensible” completely incomprehensible.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:21 pmAll I see you doing is falsely accusing a man of hurtful intent when there clearly was none there.
To take offense where no offense is intended, is an offense in and of itself.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:22 pm#125 Are you kidding? Not racist? Nappy headed hos? First off, nappy headed is a loaded term which IS derogatory toward blacks. Second hos certainly is NOT a word you use for a woman you respect, which is what these women deserve. It certainly doesn’t mean “tough” like the righties are trying to assert.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:23 pmSorry, Zooey, I find your finding the argument to be “incomprehensible†completely incomprehensible.
Comment by hterrya
Whatever.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:24 pm#150 Bullsh!t Worfeus. Nappy headed hos. Jiggaboos. What next, blackface? Amos and f&cking Andy? Do you live in the south?
April 11th, 2007 at 11:24 pmAre you supposed to be going to Rutgers to ask the team what they think of your comments here? WTF?
Comment by Zooey — April 11, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
Yes. I am booking my flight now.
:|
April 11th, 2007 at 11:24 pm#148 – No, “Talk is Cheap” Troll. I ask you first.
What are YOU doing, you worthless bag of air?
April 11th, 2007 at 11:25 pm#149 Reread her post before you go all Mel Gibson.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:25 pmYes. Apparently these two are trying to imply they somehow know the team, and are communicating my opinions, (with their spin on it) to them, and the team said….”let him come here and say that”.
So I am supposed to tremble in my boots, and say , oh, I’m sorry, I realize now that my eyes and my senses deceived me and I will now take my reality cues from you, because you know the Rutgers basketball team…..
:|
BAWAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA
April 11th, 2007 at 11:27 pm“Yes. I am booking my flight now.”
comedy gold. if you live in d.c., why would you fly to new jersey?
April 11th, 2007 at 11:29 pmNo, “Talk is Cheap†Troll. I ask you first.
Comment by hterrya — April 11, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
Yea? And you’re the one doing the talking.
You’re the one who can’t address the points I made about what Don Imus ACTUALLY said, and instead have to resort to demanding that because I dare to blog in a blog, that I now drop my chosen profession and become an activist for race relations so you will respect me or something.
Well I’ve got news for you.
I could give a shit what you think about me. You don’t know me or what I do or don’t do.
You just can’t debate the issue, or talk to the points, so you resort to your bullshit.
And thats all it is.
Bullshit.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:31 pmWorfeus,
Ok, it’s exactly what it seems to be. I wasn’t sure if one of you was joking or not. Weird.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:31 pmcomedy gold. if you live in d.c., why would you fly to new jersey?
Comment by pgw — April 11, 2007 @ 11:29 pm
Because unlike you I have a life and a career and responsibilties. If I were going to fly up to New Jersey because some idiot like you demands I do (hint: I wouldn’t hold your breath) I wouldn’t spend 5 hours one way in traffic to get there. I’d grab a commuter and be there in an hour.
But unfortunatetly for you, I don’t take orders from you, and I see your bullshit for what it is, bullshit.
If you know the girls from Rutgers, get one of them in here now.
RIGHT NOW.
As you like to say,
Put up, or SHUT UP.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:35 pm#160 Unfortunately liberals can be racist too.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:35 pm“I wasn’t sure if one of you was joking or not.”
i was trying to. i’ll mark my sarcasm more prominently in the future.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:36 pmOk, it’s exactly what it seems to be. I wasn’t sure if one of you was joking or not. Weird.
Comment by Zooey — April 11, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
She’s full of shit. Sounds like a troll. I don’t even know why I am entertaining her, but on the offchance she knows one of the players I decided to listen to her a little longer.
But I think she’s full of shit. If theres one thing about Rutgers you can be sure of, theres internet access everywhere on campus. If she knew one of the players she’d call them on their cell phone, tell them to open their laptop, come in here and talk to me.
But she won’t.
Do you know why?
I know why.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:37 pm#161 What is wrong with you??? You don’t know anybody from the Rutgers basketball team but are ok with Imus saying they are nappy headed hos. I could understand that kind of crap if you are talking about the ex-girlfriend that cheated on you but YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW THEM.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:38 pm#161 What is wrong with you???
Comment by JPark — April 11, 2007 @ 11:38 pm
Whats wrong with you?
Go back and read to us where in my comments I said it was “ok” with what Don Imus said.
Another hothead who talks before he knows what he’s talking about.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:41 pm“But unfortunatetly for you, I don’t take orders from you, and I see your bullshit for what it is, bullshit.”
actually, you need to lay off the caffeine and learn to see my sarcasm for what it is. however i really appreciate [sarcasm] the comment “unlike you I have a life and a career and responsibilties.” as much as i appreciated [sarcasm] you suggesting yesterday that my “daddy” [who isn't "blue collar"] “paid for school.”
April 11th, 2007 at 11:42 pmLet’s see.
I go into prisons with teams of other men, giving leaders of racial gangs the opportunity to reconcile face-to-face (and many have, in spite of the danger to their persons when they do), and to meet weekly thereafter in small groups to talk about their lives and the changes in their lives. These prisoners are in Texas and the folks we meet with were at one time much like the ex-prisoners who dragged the guy behind the truck, which you pointed out when talking about “REAL racism” (SUPPOSEDLY your BIG concern).
And I have more but the example above is like “casting pearls before swine.”
However, by giving this one example, perhaps it will show the rest on this thread of the difference between ALL TALK and REAL ACTION.
Don’t talk the talk Troll, if you can’t walk the walk. Loser!
April 11th, 2007 at 11:42 pm#166 You are defending the guy saying he didn’t say anything offensive.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:43 pm#160 Unfortunately liberals can be racist too.
Comment by JPark — April 11, 2007 @ 11:35 pm
And don’t call me racist unless you can demonstrate from something I said that I am a racist. (hint: You cant)
April 11th, 2007 at 11:43 pmDo you know why?
I know why.
Comment by I WORFEUS
I’d just like to see a little peace around here.
Goodnight, Worfeus & JPark.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:43 pmHere is your quote, Worfeus…All I see you doing is falsely accusing a man of hurtful intent when there clearly was none there.
Where did you NOT say it was ok?
April 11th, 2007 at 11:44 pm“But I think she’s full of shit. If theres one thing about Rutgers you can be sure of, theres internet access everywhere on campus. If she knew one of the players she’d call them on their cell phone, tell them to open their laptop, come in here and talk to me.”
what in the world are you smoking?
April 11th, 2007 at 11:44 pm#171 Night Zoo.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:44 pm#170 Let’s see. You defend the guys who say nappy headed ho and jiggaboo saying it is not racist. I can only guess you have the same opinions.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:46 pmactually, you need to lay off the caffeine and learn to see my sarcasm
Comment by pgw — April 11, 2007 @ 11:42 pm
Sarcasm my ass.
When you couldn’t answer the challange, you resorted to daring me ‘”say it to their face”‘ , to try to divert from your inability to form a coherent argument.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:48 pmIf you want to argue that his punishment was too harsh or say that others have said worse, I am with you. If you want to say he said nothing offensive…that is another issue.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:51 pmHISTORY OF RACIST COMMENTS:
On blacks:
“William Cohen, the Mandingo deal.” (Former Defense Secretary Cohen’s wife is African-American.)
“Wasn’t in a woodpile, was he?” (Responding to news that former black militant H. Rap Brown, subsequently known as Abdullah Al-Amin, was found hiding in a shed in Alabama after exchanging gunfire with police. Imus is here alluding to the expression “nigger in the woodpile.”)
“Knuckle-dragging moron.” (Description of basketball player Patrick Ewing.)
“We all have 12-inch penises.” (After being asked what he has in common with Nat Turner, Malcolm X, Minister Louis Farrakhan, Latrell Sprewell from the New York Knicks, and Al Sharpton.)
“Chest-thumping pimps.” (Description of the New York Knicks.)
“A cleaning lady.” (Reference to journalist Gwen Ifill, possibly out of pique that she wouldn’t appear on his show. “I certainly don’t know any black journalists who will,” she wrote in the April 10 New York Times. The Chicago Tribune’s Clarence Page used to appear, but after he made Imus pledge not to make offensive comments in the future, he was never asked back.)
On Jews:
“I remember when I first had [the Blind Boys of Alabama] on a few years ago, how the Jewish management at whatever, whoever we work for, CBS, or whatever it is, were bitching at me about it. […] I tried to put it in terms that these money-grubbing bastards could understand.”
“Boner-nosed … beanie-wearing Jewboy.” (Description of Howard Kurtz of the Washington Post, a frequent guest.)
On women:
“That buck-tooth witch Satan, Hillary Clinton.” […] “I never admitted it when I went down there and got in all that big jam, insulting Bill Clinton and his fat ugly wife, Satan. Did I? Did I ever say I was sorry for that?”
On Native Americans:
“The guy from F-Troop, Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell.” (This is a reference to the zany Indian characters on the 1960s TV sitcom F-Troop. They had names like “Roaring Chicken,” “Crazy Cat,” and “Chief Wild Eagle.”)
On Japanese:
“Old Kabuki’s in a coma and the market’s going up. […] How old is the boy? The battery’s running down on that boy.” (Reference to Japanese Prime Minister Keizo Obuchi, who died the following week.)
On gays:
“I didn’t know that Allan Bloom was coming in from the back end.” (The homosexuality of the author of The Closing of the American Mind became widely known when Saul Bellow published Ravelstein, a novel whose protagonist was based on Bloom, who by then was deceased.)
“The enormously attractive [NBC political correspondent] Chip Reid, I can say without being accused of being some limp-wristed ‘mo.”
On the handicapped:
“Janet Reno’s having a press conference. Ms. Reno, of course, has Parkinson’s disease, has a noticeable tremor. […] I don’t know how she gets that lipstick on (laughter) looking like a rodeo clown.”
April 11th, 2007 at 11:54 pmI go into prisons with teams of other men, giving leaders of racial gangs the opportunity to reconcile face-to-face (and many have, in spite of the danger to their persons when they do), and to meet weekly thereafter in small groups to talk about their lives and the changes in their lives. These prisoners are in Texas and the folks we meet with Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah!
Comment by hterrya — April 11, 2007 @ 11:42 pm
So what? What do you want, a medal? Talk to Bush, I hear he’s giving them out.
But unless you can explain, just what the hell that has to do with your inability to show anyone here where I was wrong, then its just another one of your red herrings, self bloviating trying to make yourself sound important and above the debate, when in reality you simply just cannot refute the facts.
You go to prisons? Fine. Maybe they should keep you for a while.
I could give a crap. I have my life, and I occasionally blog in here. If you don’t like my opinion, then refute it, but don’t sit here on your self righteous ass trying to make yourself somehow better than me because your some kind of glorified social worker. I could give crap. I was a probation officer with a local state for many years in my 20’s jackass. I worked with all kinds, so don’t tell me about your great job like its supposed to somehow ad credibility to a position you have YET TO MAKE. I could give a shit.
Tell me instead what facts of mine you have information to refute. If you can’t then you lose.
And that would make you, the “loser”, loser.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:56 pm#166 You are defending the guy saying he didn’t say anything offensive.
Comment by JPark — April 11, 2007 @ 11:43 pm
Oh for the love of God would you people go back and READ before you open your mouths?
Go back and read genius, just WHERE I said “he didn’t say anything offensive”.
WHen you can produce that quote from me, then you may return.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:57 pm“When you couldn’t answer the challange, you resorted to daring me ‘â€say it to their faceâ€â€˜ , to try to divert from your inability to form a coherent argument.”
no, i asked you to ask some young african-american women whether they think being called a “nappyheaded ho” is racist. imus’s comment was directed at a group of young african-american women, and ultimately what matters is how african-american women across the country took the comment. as i said before, i know your position; i just suggested you think beyond your self, get somebody else’s opinion.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:01 am#179 I JUST quoted you. Let me do it again. All I see you doing is falsely accusing a man of hurtful intent when there clearly was none there. .
You think he didn’t say anything hurtful?
April 12th, 2007 at 12:04 amno, i asked you to ask some young african-american women whether they think being called a “nappyheaded ho†is racist. imus’s comment was directed at a group of young african-american women, and ultimately what matters is how african-american women across the country took the comment. as i said before, i know your position; i just suggested you think beyond your self, get somebody else’s opinion.
Comment by pgw — April 12, 2007 @ 12:01 am
Oh so in the middle of a debate,when a challenge was posed to you, you just suddenly became altruistic towards my social development?
:|
Give it up pal.
You couldn’t answer then, so you tossed out a red herring. Its clear to anyone with a brain.
And you can’t answer now, so instead of addressing my REPEATED CHALLENGE to you, you are still trying to divert from your inability to address one single issue I made.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:09 amWHen you can produce that quote from me, then you may return.
Here are some more.
Well it looks like we managed to push our little scapegoat right off the cliff.
If we want to heal racial relations, we first have to stop taken offense where none is intended.
But it doesn’t have any bearing to me on the percieved racism in his statement that so many are trying to say is there.
I am judging this one by the facts. And I don’t see that Imus was trying to be racist at all, and I am glad we agree on that. Then again you always were pretty smart, lol
Oh, can I “come back” now, Worfeus?
April 12th, 2007 at 12:09 amOh for the love of God would you people go back and READ before you open your mouths?
You might want to make sure you are right before saying something like that…don’t you think?
April 12th, 2007 at 12:09 am#179 I JUST quoted you. Let me do it again. All I see you doing is falsely accusing a man of hurtful intent when there clearly was none there. .
You think he didn’t say anything hurtful?
Comment by JPark — April 12, 2007 @ 12:04 am
You didn’t quote me the first time and you know it.
I never said what you said I said.
And you are misquoting me now. READ STUPID. READ.
You just accused me of saying he didn’t “SAY ANYTHING HURTFUL”.
But HERE is what I actually said.
All I see you doing is falsely accusing a man of hurtful intent when there clearly was none there
INTENT Genius.
INTENT.
6 letters
2 Syllables
Thought I’d toss you the specifics of the word since obviously your Speak-n-Spell doesn’t include that word.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:14 amI cut and paste your exact fu$king words. And now you accuse me of misquoting you? You are as bad as the trolls. You can’t even own up to your own d$mn words. That is pathetic.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:17 amAnd you are still defending a racist. Intent…let’s see, what could possibly be the intent of a man saying nappy headed hos. Oh, laughs right? Just like Coulter expects laughs for “joking” about killing John Paul Stevens. That one was funny, too, wasn’t it, WORFEUS?
April 12th, 2007 at 12:19 amOh, can I “come back†now, Worfeus?
Comment by JPark — April 12, 2007 @ 12:09 am
No stupid.
Because you haven’t completed the original assignment.
Here, since you’re too stupid to remember what you said, go back and read.
Then I said.
So unless you have another one of my “quotes” to pull out of your ass, that says I AM OK WITH WHAT IMUS SAID, you have NOT completed your assignment, and you need to go away and not come back until you do.
Idiot.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:19 amI cut and paste your exact fu$king words. And now you accuse me of misquoting you? You are as bad as the trolls. You can’t even own up to your own d$mn words. That is pathetic.
Comment by JPark — April 12, 2007 @ 12:17 am
You’re a pathetic simp.
SHOW me where I said the words you accused me of saying. Show me ONE PLACE where I said I was “OK WITH WHAT IMUS SAID”.
Show me one place you lying sack of shit.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:22 am#188 Oh, I am so sorry for directly quoting you. Next time I will try not to.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:22 am#188 You are really not very bright are you WORFEUS? I quoted you. All of those quotes were yours and every one of them said that Imus didn’t do anything wrong.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:24 am#178 – Like I said in #168, telling you ANYTHING “is like ‘casting pearls before swine’.â€
Your slur on me and what I do is just that – an Imus-clone slur. I have called your hand when you professed this DEEP concern for “REAL racism,” and have shown that all your “concern” is just a smoke screen for the reality that you show NO evidence of REALLY give a damn about the daily racism people of color face. It’s all talk and NO action!
However, the others can see that your so-called concern about “REAL racism,” and your claim that others’ concern about Imus’ slur (”compliment” according to you) on the integrity of the Rutgers Women’s Basketball team (”prima donnas” to you) somehow detracts from confronting “REAL racism,” is just that, “so-called.”
You are an empty suit. All mouth, no action.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:25 amAnd while you’re at it dimwit, why don’t you go up and READ the comments I made today, and in the last two threads on this topic and actually try to refute ONE thing I said.
You and your band of rabid at the mouth activists are sure good at serving up a big plate full of RED HERRING, but you cannot address anything I said.
You just shout RACIST, and think yourselves the better for it.
You’re a fool.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:25 am#189 LOL, now you are going to parse your own words? Are you going to backtrack? Look at #183…your quotes!!! No offense intended…I don’t see where Imus was trying to be racist at all…perceived racism…scapegoat. Yeah, Worfeus, you weren’t trying to say Imus did nothing wrong.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:26 am#188 Oh, I am so sorry for directly quoting you. Next time I will try not to.
Comment by JPark — April 12, 2007 @ 12:22 am
Yea.
Too bad your quote wasn’t what you said I said, huh?
April 12th, 2007 at 12:27 am#193 No, moron, you have defended racist comments. Does that make you a racist by proxy? Maybe not but the evidence doesn’t look good. By the way, you are refuting your own words, RIGHT NOW.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:28 am#195 Are you a righty? Your words are recorded. You tell me what you didn’t say because I pasted directly from your posts.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:31 amYou’re the moron who quotes me, says that my quotes say that what Imus said was “ok” , when anyone with an actual brain (which excludes you and probably most of your inbred family) can read the very quotes of mine you put up and see I NEVER said ANYTHING about the words being “ok”.
I never even said the words were not racist.
I said I did not see racist INTENT.
I can safely assume you never made it to Law School, correct?
April 12th, 2007 at 12:32 am#195 Unless you were namejacked you said all of those things. If you were we owe each other huge apologies.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:32 amultimately what matters is how african-american women across the country took the comment. here’s someone whose opinion matters:
“Essence Carson and other players spoke out at a news conference in their first public statements since Imus’ inflammatory remarks last week.
‘I would like to express our team’s great hurt, anger and disgust toward the words of Mr. Don Imus,’ Carson said. ‘We are highly angered at his remarks but deeply saddened with the racial characterization they entailed.’”
April 12th, 2007 at 12:33 am#195 Are you a righty?
Comment by JPark — April 12, 2007 @ 12:31 am
With jackasses like you on the left I am starting to wish I were.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:33 am#198 Ahh, so you are lying when you say I misquoted you. K. Gotcha.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:34 am#198 Well, jeez. He says something so blatantly racist and you are so kind as to think he didn’t actually MEAN anything by them. You are such a sweetheart.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:36 am#201 My trolldar is pinging with great intensity.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:36 am#200 Sorry pgw, it doesn’t matter how they took it, it matters how Worfeus took it. And he says it was innocent. Imus might have well said they are intelligent, upstanding women. Wait, no, that isn’t what he said despite what Worfeus would have us believe.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:38 am#198 Ahh, so you are lying when you say I misquoted you. K. Gotcha.
Comment by JPark — April 12, 2007 @ 12:34 am
Its like arguing with a mutant.
You’re a complete idiot. But I do see your problem. Your brain is a “monoprocessor”, which is common in inbreeding situtions.
The monoprocessor capability makes you unable to remember “context”, and instead, you just lunge at individual statements and assign your own meanings to them.
You’re like a Tyranasourus Rex. You can see the movement, but you don’t know what you’re looking at.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:39 amThats right PGW, and those words were given to them by a speechwriter.
You can kid yourself if you want, but they’re being “handled”.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:40 amGo back up Jpark, and read the surrounding sentences. Those are words cropped together in segments.
Then when you do, you’ll see that you are still misquoting me, because you are pulling quotes that DO NOT say what YOU CLAIMED they said.
They are my words, but they don’t say what you originally accused me of, that is, stating that I was “OK” with what Don Imus said.
You’re a liar.
And not a very good one either.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:42 am#206 Got it. I quoted you and you didn’t like it. Tough.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:42 am#206 You remind me of Cheney. The guy keeps saying one thing over and over and he denies it even though it is on record. Nice job, there.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:44 am#201 My trolldar is pinging with great intensity.
Comment by JPark — April 12, 2007 @ 12:36 am
Yea? Well my jackassdar has jumped off the charts.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:44 am#208 Ok, Worfeus, you DIDN’T defend Imus. I must have been wrong.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:45 am#206 Got it. I quoted you and you didn’t like it. Tough.
Comment by JPark — April 12, 2007 @ 12:42 am
No you inbred lying sack of shit, you didn’t quote what I challenged you to find, and you still haven’t idiot.
Go up and READ you stupid prick.
I SAID…
You have YET to show ONE INSTANCE WHERE I SAID IT WAS OK.
So PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:47 am#208 Be honest, you had no clue what you said, right? You actually had to go back and look at the quotes to make sure they were yours. You know, that often happens when you talk out your a$$
April 12th, 2007 at 12:47 am“Thats right PGW, and those words were given to them by a speechwriter.
You can kid yourself if you want, but they’re being “handledâ€.”
i pity you, especially if you are indeed in your mid 40s.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:47 am#208 Ok, Worfeus, you DIDN’T defend Imus. I must have been wrong.
Comment by JPark — April 12, 2007 @ 12:45 am
First you lying sack of shit, THAT wasn’t what you accused me of. You keep changing your statement over and over but I have been consistent throughout.
YOU SAID I SAID WHAT IMUS SAID WAS OK.
AND YOU HAVE YET TO SHOW EVEN ONE INSTANCE WHERE I SAID THAT.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP
April 12th, 2007 at 12:49 amSHOW ME ONE INSTANCE WHERE I SAID WHAT IMUS SAID WAS OK.
JUST ONE.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:49 am#204 – Comment by JPark — April 12, 2007 @ 12:36 am
“#201 My trolldar is pinging with great intensity.”
Yeah, JPark, I(mus) WHOREFEUS is definitely a troll, but he is mainly an empty suit, who is pissed off because he wants this thread to be about him.
It isn’t. For that, we can all thank the Lord!
This thread is about Imus being fired.
Imus got what he richly deserved. Hopefully, one day, I(mus) WHOREFEUS will get what he deserves.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:51 ami pity you, especially if you are indeed in your mid 40s.
Comment by pitygw — April 12, 2007 @ 12:47 am
Who gives a shit what you pity?
If you can’t see that they’re being handled, don’t worry, you’ll see it on TV soon enough.
They’re being handled.
YOURE THE RACIST, because you label anyone who doesn’t think like you, a racist.
And thats the most racist thing of all.
When I want your opinion I’ll give it to you.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:52 am#216 Nice try. I said you defended Imus…yep. I said that you said what HE said was ok…yup. Your own words prove it, dolt.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:52 amI hope CBS Corp. fires Don Imus, but Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and Ann Coulter need to get booted off the public airwaves and TV too.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:52 am#217 I quoted you Worfeus. You clearly are ok with what he said or you wouldn’t have said what you did…over and over.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:54 amImus got what he richly deserved. Hopefully, one day, I(mus) WHOREFEUS will get what he deserves.
Comment by hterrya — April 12, 2007 @ 12:51 am
Yes. Hopefully that will include an absence of idiots like you.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:54 am#221 I agree. They say worse things every day. They should be gone.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:55 am“When I want your opinion I’ll give it to you.”
yeah, that wasn’t funny yesterday either.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:55 amYOURE THE RACIST, because you label anyone who doesn’t think like you, a racist.
And thats the most racist thing of all.
Huh? You might want to go look up the term, Corky.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:56 am“They’re being handled.”
yeah, don’t forget about pat summit and cal ripken. they’re lurking behind the scenes too, telling these girls what to say.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:59 amNo wonder you don’t think what Imus said was racist. You don’t even know what it means.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:59 amSo then perhaps in between your random babblings you could show us WHERE I SAID THOSE WORDS?
Show us just ONE SINGLE PLACE, where I said that what Imus said was “OK”.
Show us that you little lying wuss.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:00 am#229 I already did. Let me cut and paste your own words again.
Well it looks like we managed to push our little scapegoat right off the cliff.
If we want to heal racial relations, we first have to stop taken offense where none is intended.
But it doesn’t have any bearing to me on the percieved racism in his statement that so many are trying to say is there.
I am judging this one by the facts. And I don’t see that Imus was trying to be racist at all, and I am glad we agree on that. Then again you always were pretty smart, lol
April 12th, 2007 at 1:02 amOk, I’ve wasted enough time on a couple of inbred racist jackoffs like you two knuckleheads.
I doubt the closest either of you ever got to working with prisoners was laundry detail.
Either way you’re wasting my time.
You’re too stupid to read and to dumb to know it.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:03 amImus IS GONES-VILLE, AS YOU MAY ALL KNOW BY NOW!!! GOOD RIDDANCE TO BAD RUBBISH!!!! WHAT’S TAKING YA SO LONG, GONZO?????
April 12th, 2007 at 1:03 am#229 You might not want to say ‘us’ Worfeus. I guarantee you don’t have much support on this issue.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:04 amWhen one of you jackasses can form a coherent argument SHOWING where I APPROVED, CONDONED, SANCTIONED, OR ENDORSED, or as your inbred sister here said, called it “OK”, then maybe I’ll talk.
But for now, I”ve used up enough keystrokes on two pathetic liars who spend more time lying to themselves than anyone.
Show me where I said it was ok, or blow me.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:05 am#231 Now we are racist Worfeus? You really are bad at honest debate. You should switch over to the other side where obfuscation and misdirection are valid debating tools.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:05 amI guarantee you don’t have much support on this issue.
Comment by JPark — April 12, 2007 @ 1:04 am
Like I said jackass.
Scroll up and read.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:06 amI doubt the closest either of you ever got to working with prisoners was laundry detail.
Because that would prove just how…what?…I am really lost on that point. Are you proving, yet again how racist you are? Comparing female, black basketball players to convicts?
April 12th, 2007 at 1:08 amAnd NONE of the 4 comments you just took and posted completely out of context, say anything of the sort.
Even taken out of context you idiot, they STILL don’t say ANYTHING of the sort.
Maybe you should go back to grabbing typos and telling everyone what a good little trollbasher you are.
Cause you suck.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:08 am“Either way you’re wasting my time.”
you’re wasting your own time. did the law school you went to teach the “inbred racist jackoff”, “little lying wuss”, and ALL CAPS defense?
April 12th, 2007 at 1:08 am#234 K, you disavow your earlier statements. That wasn’t so hard, was it?
April 12th, 2007 at 1:09 am#234 I showed you your own words you disingenuous little toad. And no, I am not gay so I think I will not blow you.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:10 amobfuscation and misdirection ?
You’re the idiot who cannot provide ONE SENTENCE, IN CONTEXT OR OUT, that says I AM OK with what Don Imus said.
Yet you sit here like an idiot babbling about it and quoting random quotes of mine that STILL don’t say what you want them to say.
You’re a rube.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:10 am#238 Hehe, completely out of context. Ok, what context would you like them in? Is that you, O’Reilly?
April 12th, 2007 at 1:11 am#238 Thanks, I AM bashing a troll.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:11 am#234 I showed you your own words you disingenuous little toad. And no, I am not gay so I think I will not blow you.
Comment by JokePark — April 12, 2007 @ 1:10 am
Don’t TALK about them. SHOW US ONE.
Don’t list a whole string of posts out of context you pussy.
SHOW ONE COMMENT, that you claim says I said what Imus said was ok.
Just one.
Don’t talk about them. Show me ONE.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:13 am#242 Ok, I see. You can’t defend your own words. Typical troll.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:13 am#242 Do you stand by these quotes?
Well it looks like we managed to push our little scapegoat right off the cliff.
If we want to heal racial relations, we first have to stop taken offense where none is intended.
But it doesn’t have any bearing to me on the percieved racism in his statement that so many are trying to say is there.
I am judging this one by the facts. And I don’t see that Imus was trying to be racist at all, and I am glad we agree on that. Then again you always were pretty smart, lol
April 12th, 2007 at 1:14 amyou’re wasting your own time. did the law school you went to teach the “inbred racist jackoffâ€, “little lying wussâ€, and ALL CAPS defense?
Comment by pgw — April 12, 2007 @ 1:08 am
A. jackass, who said I went to law school. You don’t have to go to law school to be a probation officer.
B. I call em as I see em.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:14 am#245 I just did for the 3rd time.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:15 am#242 Do you stand by these quotes?
Well it looks like we managed to push our little scapegoat right off the cliff.
If we want to heal racial relations, we first have to stop taken offense where none is intended.
But it doesn’t have any bearing to me on the percieved racism in his statement that so many are trying to say is there.
I am judging this one by the facts. And I don’t see that Imus was trying to be racist at all, and I am glad we agree on that. Then again you always were pretty smart, lol
Comment by JPark — April 12, 2007 @ 1:14 am
Everyone.
Now WHICH one of those says I said what DON IMUS SAID WAS OK???????
April 12th, 2007 at 1:16 amShow ME WHICH ONE OF THOSE SAYS I SAID .
Just pick ONE, and we’ll start from there.
Which ONE says that WHAT DON IMUS SAID IS OK?
Which one?
April 12th, 2007 at 1:17 am#250 You are claiming Imus didn’t intend to be racist. Why?
April 12th, 2007 at 1:19 am“A. jackass, who said I went to law school. You don’t have to go to law school to be a probation officer.”
fine, but this comment seems a little toothless now:
“I can safely assume you never made it to Law School, correct?
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007″
April 12th, 2007 at 1:20 amNo, JPark, Worfeus is not a troll.
Disagree with him if you must, that still doesn’t make him one.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:22 am#254 Sorry, Gregor. He is using troll tactics to avoid his own words. That is being a troll.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:24 am#250 You are claiming Imus didn’t intend to be racist. Why?
Comment by JPark — April 12, 2007 @ 1:19 am
I laid out the entire argument in this thread, the IMUS Non-Defense thread and the Ifil thread.
If you’re too lazy to read my position, at least in this thread above, where I and others painstakingly laid out the blow by blow of exactly why Imus didn’t seem to be insulting but rather trying to compliment the two girls, then you’ll have to wait till I answer your friend.
Or read next time the argument of a person you’re going to attack instead of INVENTING his argument for him.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:25 am#254 I actually like Worfeus and his spunkiness. Which is why I am surprised that he is denying what he said.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:26 amCOMPLIMENTING???? Got it, nappy headed ho is a compliment. Huh???? Worfeus, your mom is a ho. Ok, that was pretty cool right?
April 12th, 2007 at 1:27 amfine, but this comment seems a little toothless now:
Comment by pgw — April 12, 2007 @ 1:20 am
Why?
Why would that have any impact on the fact that I was mocking the notion that someone who didn’t even understand meaning of the two syllable grade school word “INTENT”, could ever think of attending law school.
Then again, I really didn’t expect you to “get it”.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:27 am#254 I actually like Worfeus and his spunkiness. Which is why I am surprised that he is denying what he said.
Comment by JPark — April 12, 2007 @ 1:26 am
Denying WHAT?
We are still waiting for you there spunky, to show us where exactly I said that.
You have yet to do it.
I asked you to post ONE of those comments, and SHOW US WHERE THE WORDS SAY I AM OK WITH WHAT DON IMUS SAID.
Show us that or please just shut the f$#k up.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:29 am#256 I have seen right-wingers say that ho means “tough”. Not a lefty, yet. I am pretty sure ho still means skank and hasn’t been changed to gritty.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:29 am#259 Because your argument was tired. When someone says nappy headed ho, you can pretty much be sure his intent isn’t kind.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:31 am#260 Stop being disingenous. Tell me why you think Imus didn’t intend to insult the Rutgers basketball team.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:31 am“Then again, I really didn’t expect you to “get itâ€.”
yeah, you’re right. maybe ALL CAPS would help. what i don’t get is that if you “have a life and a career and responsibilties”, what you’re doing calling people names [great debate tactic] when it’s gotta be close to 2 a.m. in d.c.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:32 amYour whole argument is that Imus didn’t intend to insult them. I want to know why you think that.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:32 am#260 Fine, you refuse to own your comments. Good night.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:33 amYou think I have no support on this? You think I am a racist?
Well here are just a few of the comments of bloggers on this site who agree with some or all of what I said.
Why dont you do a search of this site with the name WORFEUS … more than likely you will find many posts…no speeches really about the evil of human racism and bigotry.
Quite frankly though he doesnt need to do anything in this regard to still be factually correct in this situation.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — April 11, 2007 @ 9:13 pm
and even though it pisses me off that those words came out of Imus’ mouth, I can see now that he’s a benign idiot — not a malignant racist like Coulter, Beck, O’Reilly, etc.
Comment by Zooey — April 11, 2007 @ 9:26 pm
I tend to agree with you and Worfeus, to a certain extent, that this whole thing is getting a little out of proportion;
Comment by Gregor Samsa — April 11, 2007 @ 9:34 pm
You know, I really don’t get the sense that Imus is a racist, or that he was being hateful with that comment.
Comment by Del Capslock — April 11, 2007 @ 7:21
I totally agree with you that Imus is being scapegoated.
Comment by trueblue — April 11, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
This is a joke, night after night full coverage of the Imus debacle. give me a break, NHeadedHoes? good lord we are getting thin skinned.
Comment by fish — April 11, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
I hate rascism. It should be eradicted. But reverse rascism is the new order to keep everyone else on their toes.
Comment by kimmy — April 11, 2007 @ 8:39 pm
But, this is just the latest Anna Nichole Smith, missing white girl story that is being blown way out of proportion.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — April 11, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
He WAS complementing them. Listen to it.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — April 11, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
April 12th, 2007 at 1:37 amGuess they’re all racists too huh?
April 12th, 2007 at 1:37 amWhich is why I am surprised that he is denying what he said.
Comment by JPark — April 12, 2007 @ 1:26 am
Let me see if I can translate what Worfeus has painfully been trying to say (you don’t mind, do you Worfeus?):
Imus was not trying to make a racial slur. He was trying to “talk black” in a sad attempt to compliment the team. However, he should have known that such talk is unacceptable; he should have known it is so racially charged -specially coming from a white man- that it would backfire.
In short: Imus is guilty of being exceedingly stupid, not racist.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:38 am“Guess they’re all racists too huh?”
everything depends on their intent. plus i heard they’re being “handled.”
[sarcasm]
April 12th, 2007 at 1:41 amNot that being stupid is much of a defence at all….
April 12th, 2007 at 1:42 am#260 Stop being disingenous. Tell me why you think Imus didn’t intend to insult the Rutgers basketball team.
Comment by JPark — April 12, 2007 @ 1:31 am
Ok, because you are too lazy to read, I will explain BREIFLY.
First.
LISTEN TO THE VIDEO
LISTEN.
Don’t talk.
Listen.
Now.
Do you hear Don Imus saying, “THOSE ARE SOME ROUGH GIRLS”?
Did you hear him say they had tattoos?
Did you hear the COMPARISON to the TENNESSEE team, rerferring to them as “CUTE” compared to the big tough Rutgars team?
Did you hear Bernard play off his “ROUGH GIRLS” theme and call them “HARDCORE HO’S” , which then Imus took and mangled and ended up with the nappy headed hoes comment?
Did you hear them compare them to AMAZONS? GRIZZLY’S? The Toronoto RAPTORS?
Did you hear Imus then express his surpise they won, saying “They didn’t want to beat this team” (this was a team you don’t mess with) “but they did”.?
Did you hear him say “I don’t know if they wanted to beat RUTGERS, but they did”?
Did you hear that?
Or are you just gonna stand there shouting racist all night?
April 12th, 2007 at 1:48 amLet me see if I can translate what Worfeus has painfully been trying to say (you don’t mind, do you Worfeus?):
Comment by Gregor Samsa — April 12, 2007 @ 1:38 am
For the love of God please…….
April 12th, 2007 at 1:48 amPut it in another way:
Was Imus’ comment a racist slur? No
Was it an attempt at complimenting the team? Yes
Does the intention make the comment ok? No
Was said attempt pathetic and wrong? Absolutely
Was Imus stupid? Without a doubt.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:58 amNot that being stupid is much of a defence at all….
Comment by Gregor Samsa — April 12, 2007 @ 1:42 am
Thanks Greg.
I felt like I was taking crazy pills.
See, they attribute to me that I am defending Imus’s stupidity, which I am clearly not. I said in this and other posts what he said was wrong and punishing him was fine.
But I was not fine with two lies.
1. They said he was trying to insult the team and that they didn’t deserve to win. WRONG. He was saying the opposite.
2. They said he had racist intent in his words, that he was attacking the their African American heritage. WRONG. In order to do that he would have to single out the African American members from the rest. Otherwise it would make much sense. PLUS, he wouldn’t likely do it along side a compliment, now would he?
Which is why the DUAL LIE.
Because the one lie necessitates the other.
In order to be convincing in any claims he was being racist, someone first had to show malicious intent, that he was degrading the teammembers, and thus had malicious intent. There clearly is none. He way paying them a compliment while trying to “sound black”, something I said way back in the Gwen Ifil Thread.
Go back and read. I laid this whole thing out there, and in the Imus-NonDefense Thread, as well as above.
READ. LISTEN.
Stop attacking people whose positions you think you know.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:59 amBTW Greg, that last part about Reading was for the two guys who were attacking me.
Thanks for so clearly and eloquently explaining what I was apparently unable to explain.
I am indebted.
April 12th, 2007 at 2:01 amWas Imus stupid? Without a doubt.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — April 12, 2007 @ 1:58 am
Without a doubt.
April 12th, 2007 at 2:07 amThanks Greg.
I felt like I was taking crazy pills.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 1:59 am
You’re very welcome.
I happen to know a few people in Imus’ age range (what is he, 70?), and they make comments similar to Imus’ “compliment”.
Some things these persons say blow my mind, and yet I know they don’t mean it as a racist put down. A few of them actually wonder where, how words changed meaning so much that they cannot be spoken out loud in public.
I can see how an older person -even a radio personality who should have known better- would have a slip of the tongue.
April 12th, 2007 at 2:11 amthat last part about Reading was for the two guys who were attacking me.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 2:01 am
No problem, mate. That’s how I read it.
I am indebted.
Really? Then I take credit cards, and CODs ;-)
April 12th, 2007 at 2:15 amI happen to know a few people in Imus’ age range (what is he, 70?), and they make comments similar to Imus’ “complimentâ€.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — April 12, 2007 @ 2:11 am
Pretty close. He’s 67 I believe. I know what you mean though.
April 12th, 2007 at 2:19 amAnd as for the Rutgers team, I never said anything about them other than what did they do other than lose a ball game and get insulted?
I have nothing for or against them. I don’t know them and I don’t know anything about them. All I know of them is what I have seen them do during this event. And I would have thought a lot more of the team captian, if instead of buying into the racial hatred bandwagon, she had instead stepped back, looked at the situation, examined what Imus was really saying, and then, when he made his public apology, accept it, and move on like the bigger person. I don’t blame her or the team members though. I see Sharptons and others hands in this.
In fact, I am willing to wager that when someone first came to her and said, “hey, Don Imus called you a nappyheaded ho”, that she said, “who’s Don Imus?”.
I don’t blame her. I blame the media and the activists like Sharpton who are showing themselves to be small, not big.
April 12th, 2007 at 2:28 amI support Sharpton more than I disagree with him too.
But on this one we are poles apart.
April 12th, 2007 at 2:36 amWorfeus (know it all):
All anyone has to do is read the other thread about Imus to see where you said that Imus was ‘complimenting’ the Rutgers b’ball team.
I don’t know any other way to take your many posts on this topic.
Why don’t you quit while you’re behind;besides,your two cheerleaders have gone to bed.
Good job hterrya,JPark and pgw.
April 12th, 2007 at 3:08 amAll anyone has to do is read the other thread about Imus to see where you said that Imus was ‘complimenting’ the Rutgers b’ball team.
Comment by A DUFUS — April 12, 2007 @ 3:08 am
Thats right pinhead. And I said the same thing in this thread to. So did other people.
Whats your point?
Who’s denying that I said he was making a compliment?
I painstakingly made that argument over a dozen times for you and the idiots like you who can’t remember what you’ve read 5 seconds after you read it.
That is NOT condoning what he said, nor is it defending him or what he said.
Being racist is stupid but being stupid does not mean being racist.
Go back and READ before you make yourself look any more stupid than you already do.
April 12th, 2007 at 3:17 amWas Imus’ comment a racist slur? No
Was it an attempt at complimenting the team? Yes
Comment by Gregor Samsa — April 12, 2007 @ 1:58 am
And as you see, they are not my “cheerleaders”, they merely happen to also be smart enough to take the time to LISTEN to the video, and SEE for themselves that he is clearly advocating the physical size and fierceness of the Rutgers team.
But you can’t see that, can you? Cause you’re just a little troll in disguise, too afraid to use your real handle.
April 12th, 2007 at 3:20 amHe WAS complementing them. Listen to it.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — April 11, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
April 12th, 2007 at 3:29 amThat is NOT condoning what he said, nor is it defending him or what he said.
Comment by I’M A NAME CALLING WUS
Just like the closet Neocon that you appear to be,you’re trying to have it both ways.I’m sure that that works in your sex life,but not around here,Bub.
April 12th, 2007 at 3:32 amI’ll anxiously await your next rant and name calling. LOL
besides,your two cheerleaders have gone to bed.
Comment by DUFIOUS — April 12, 2007 @ 3:08 am
Who exactly are you calling “cheerleader”?
April 12th, 2007 at 3:44 amWho exactly are you calling “cheerleader�
Comment by Gregor Samsa
Whomever the saddle-oxfords fit.(Oh,and the pom poms)
April 12th, 2007 at 4:03 amOne of the speakers was Chidimma Acholonu, president of the Rutgers campus chapter of the NAACP:
“This is not a battle against one man. This is a battle against a way of thought,” she said. “Don Imus does not understand the power of his words, so it is our responsibility to remind him.”
Well put.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:23 amComment by DUFIOUS — April 12, 2007 @ 4:03 am
And those people’s names would be…?
(you mentioned “two cheerleaders”)
April 12th, 2007 at 4:26 amJust curious but are all the Rutgers womens basketball team members black? If not, then he called white and other ethnic background, girls the same thing. Does that mean he’s racist against white women, latin, french, etc… too? Or maybe it wasn’t a racist comment at all-just a stupid comment. I am so tired of these opportunistic bottom feeders like jessie jackson and al sharpton CAUSING a racial division so they can get their faces on camera.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:09 amSome other thoughts: why hasn’t jesse jackson been spanked for using the term “Hymey Town” ?
Why hasn’t al sharpton been spanked for the whole Towana Browley thing?
Why aren’t jessie and al up in arms about all the rap stars using blatently racist language in their songs? Or how about that song “Cop Killer” ? anyone remember that? Why hasn’t al or jessie ever said anything about that? Let me get this straight-NOT OK” calling someone a nappy headed ho” ? OK singing about killing a cop?
This isn’t about Don Imus. It’s not like he brought such a unique voice to the airwaves that he is some sort of irreplaceable talent. Far from it. For God’s sake, he was still doing Nixon jokes until recently. His show is like having Rich Little at the White House Correspondent’s Dinner.
We must recognize there is an enormous opportunity cost associated with having Imus on the air versus so many other worthy and talented personalities that can actually enrich our culture instead of appealing to what the average sub-average IQ zipperhead finds funny.
Reading all the ranting, the grasping at straws, in some of the posts here is simply amazing. Again, it’s not about Imus. It’s about something deeper and darker in places no one normally talks about. It’s about white America defending it’s ability to engage in racist banter and dismissing it as all being in good humor.
Don’t worry, zipperheads, you can still say whatever miserable garbage you want, and you can even use Al Sharpton as your excuse (even though Imus came to Sharpton not the ohter way around.)
But the good news for America is that if we have the proper follow-through on this, you won’t have some highly paid cigar smoking liar to hurl your epithets for you over the airwaves. You’ll have to stand on the street corner and do it yourself like a man, not hide behind Ann Coulter like a little girl. And you will have to deal with the consequences personally, not vicariously.
Next, we should turn to the other hate mongers and shun them: Coulter, Limbaugh, Beck, O’Reilly, and the rest. Just because there’s a market for their hate-filled garbage doesn’t mean the marketplace should offer it. There’s a market for child porn, cocaine, and murder for hire too.
Again, this isn’t about “free speech” — they all can say whatever they want just like anybody else can. They just can’t say it on the airwaves in which we all share ownership. Perhaps all the hate-mongers can chip in and get themselves their own cable channel.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:48 amOh I forgot — that’d be Fox and Headline News.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:52 amDo you think Reverend Shaprton will make any comment about the Duke rape case?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:01 amI am finally seeing some people with some sense on here (besides Worfeus, of course). 2 things:
1. Imus is indeed a scapegoat. His picture should now be put in the dictionary next to that word
2. Bill Maher put it best; all of this hoopla is “fake outrage.” Americans just love to be outraged. they don’t need all of the facts, just a quick soundbyte. It feels good to be outraged, doesn’t it?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:12 amWhat a precedent this will set. I honestly hope that Sharpton slips up ONE TIME on his radio show….
April 12th, 2007 at 9:15 amWhy are people still apologizing for Imus and his producers comments that were on par with call the Black females on Rutgers girls teams the n word?
There’s lack of diversity in the US media so Its no wonder the whole context of Imus’s statements isn’t mentioned.
To defend Imus and his producers words at this point is apologizing for racism itslef.
Now back to the white house and how they destroyed emails.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:29 amthis is a crock; Imus is nothing more than a scapegoat off which MSNBC, Staples, Proctor & Gamble (and others) can boost their ratings and/or revenue by appearing to be self-righteous (which appeals to some consumers apparently). All they’re really doing is elevating a controversy that is overrated and misplaced. No individual who is riled up about this has a right to be so until the use of the same language in the gangster community is addressed and fixed; all Imus did was attempt to be humorous (part of his job that apparently many people can’t grasp as a concept) by using lingo that is COMMONLY used every day. Until the double standard is addressed or fixed – I suggest that certain people go back to practicing their logical reasoning skills and quit making Imus a capitalistic scapegoat.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:33 amI agree #299 – racism is promulgated in this country by those who are every day claiming that individuals like Imus are racist. the truth is that in today’s society nobody really cares about racism any more – largely because we as a society have moved on and evolved – well except for those that still believe they have some entitlement to pull the ‘racism card’ for every perceived controversy or scandal.
please grow up and move on. it’s 2007 already.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:36 amI just love to watch pasty white boys like Fred Barnes proclaim “racism is over!” It’s almost as funny as the “nappy headed ho” line! Whooooeee!
April 12th, 2007 at 9:39 amWill Imus be considered a racist when he is forced to shut down his Cattle Ranch charity, which children with fatal diseases such as cancer and sickle cell anemia attend?
For all of you who wanted Imus off the air, tell me what good will come out of this?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:37 amWill Imus be considered a racist when he is forced to shut down his Cattle Ranch charity, which children with fatal diseases such as cancer and sickle cell anemia attend?
For those of you who are relishing this nationwide scandal, can you please tell me what good will come out of all of this attention?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:38 amAnd I agree with you #300. Although I have never cared for the Imus show(mainly because of his monotone put-you-to sleep voice and his liberal friends like Bill Maher), I do find it ironic that Al Sharpton is grilling this guy. Al Sharpton who convicted in his own court of public opinion three college students from Duke University. I have yet to hear an apology from this guy. But because these boys were white and had money, I guess they deserved everything they got right? If Imus gets fired, I guess Sharpton should get fired too. In fact, him and that other race pimp Jesse Jackson should both go. They are the number one reason racism is still strong in this country today. Because think about it, if racism was dead how would they collect a paycheck?
April 12th, 2007 at 12:32 pm2. Bill Maher put it best; all of this hoopla is “fake outrage.†Americans just love to be outraged. they don’t need all of the facts, just a quick soundbyte. It feels good to be outraged, doesn’t it?
Comment by I-Train — April 12, 2007 @ 9:12 am
Thats exactly what it is. FAKE OUTRAGE.
What kind of basketball stars gets sooooooooooo hurt of one little comment? They get booed and yelled at all day long!!!!
Are the Rutgars players made of butter?
But whats worse is these comments by Imus were not, I repeat NOT intended to be racist. Anyone with a brain not infected with rabies can see that by merely reviewing the videotape.
People like Dufious are as racist as the neonazis, spreading hate, rumor and lies and using shout down and smear tactics to supress anyone daring to voice reason.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:35 pm“This is not a battle against one man. This is a battle against a way of thought
Comment by Samjax — April 12, 2007 @ 4:23 am
Bullshit.
The only way of thought we need to battle on this one is the way of thought that tells rabid foaming at the mouth self righteous hypocrites that it is ok to publically bear false witness against a man, and demand that others join into the collective lie.
You are liars when you accuse Imus of trying to racially slur the Rutgers players.
Nothing more.
Just plain, simple liars.
Just like Rush Limpballs.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:46 pmWhen you all come out of your feeding frenzy and listen to the video you will see that.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:47 pm#293 – Comment by trippin — April 12, 2007 @ 8:48 am
“Perhaps all the hate-mongers can chip in and get themselves their own cable channel.”
They have, trippin, it’s called Faux Noise. Maybe Imus can get a job there as Ins-Hannity’s nappy headed ‘ho. I wonder if Imus’ big mouth will make him incapable of making contact with Ins-Hannity’s tiny willy?
There, I complimented Imus and Ins-Hannity just the way I(mus) WHOREFEUS’ hero complimented the Rutgers Women’s Basketball team. Now why would anyone get upset about THAT!
I(mus) WHOREFEUS won’t get upset about that, will you, you nappy headed little troll ‘ho?
April 12th, 2007 at 12:51 pmAl Sharpton has done some good and done some damage, but too often its the latter. This time its the latter.
Sharpton is holding a “PROTEST RALLY” this weekend to protest ONE GUY WHO IS NOT A RACIST.
Sharpton will get thousands together to chant, protest, and spread the lie that Don Imus was trying to be racist when he knows he was not which puts him on the same level as the rest of the racist scum in this country.
Its a LIE.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:55 pmThere, I complimented Imus and Ins-Hannity just the way I(mus) WHOREFEUS’ hero complimented the Rutgers Women’s Basketball team. Now why would anyone get upset about THAT
Comment by hatemongerer — April 12, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
You’re just a stupid, sorry son of a bitch.
You haven’t a brain in your head. You just keep ranting your lies, but you never address one single issue that anyone pointed out.
Show us in the video genius where Imus was trying to insult these girls.
Do you watch sports? Do you understand when someone says “they shouldn’t have lost because they are so tough”, that its a compliment?
Are was your mothers homeschooling as pathetic as you demonstrate in here?
April 12th, 2007 at 12:58 pmLISTEN TO THE VIDEO
LISTEN.
Don’t talk.
Listen.
Now.
Do you hear Don Imus saying, “THOSE ARE SOME ROUGH GIRLS�
Did you hear him say they had tattoos?
Did you hear the COMPARISON to the TENNESSEE team, rerferring to them as “CUTE†compared to the big tough Rutgars team?
Did you hear Bernard play off his “ROUGH GIRLS†theme and call them “HARDCORE HO’S†, which then Imus took and mangled and ended up with the nappy headed hoes comment?
Did you hear them compare them to AMAZONS? GRIZZLY’S? The Toronoto RAPTORS?
Did you hear Imus then express his surpise they won, saying “They didn’t want to beat this team†(this was a team you don’t mess with) “but they didâ€.?
Did you hear him say “I don’t know if they wanted to beat RUTGERS, but they did�
Did you hear that?
LISTEN you pathetic wimp.
Listen to his words, and use what little brain you have and try to learn.
Or are you just going to sit there blabbering like an blithering idiot, repeating the same baseless accusations over and over?
April 12th, 2007 at 1:03 pmIf you really are a progressive or liberal, please change sides.
You’d do us more good ranting on their side.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:05 pmYea.
Thats what I thought.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:06 pmI was wrong trippin! I(mus) WHOREFEUS did get upset!
And all I did was compliment him! {:-)
Calm down you little troll prima donna. Is prima donna a sports term?
April 12th, 2007 at 1:15 pmCalm down you little troll prima donna. Is prima donna a sports term?
Comment by inbred worm— April 12, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
I am calm you inbred worm.
I am just amazed at what a little sissy you are, being unable to answer one of my challanges, but instead, like a troll, you just keep ranting about nothing.
Talk to the issues dimwit.
Or can’t you?
April 12th, 2007 at 1:23 pmIn fact, for two days now you have been completely unable to address one single fact I produced.
And anyone reading over your comments will quickly see that.
You can’t debate.
Just bloviate.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:25 pmI just posted an entire list of facts for you to refute.
Instead like a troll, you just blabber like a two year old.
Talk to the issues if you’re such a big racial warrior chump.
I’m waiting.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:26 pmThe fact is I have clearly demonstrated in here, and the two previous threads on the issue, that Don Imus was making a compliment to the team and it came out wrong.
And lots of people agreed.
You have yet to make one factual statement with regards to the video tape.
Instead each and every post you make is only insults against me, and lies against me and Don Imus.
When are you going to address the issues you big bad race warrior?
We’re waiting.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:29 pmThe issue is Imus and his racial slur (YOU call it a “compliment) against the Rutgers Women’s Basketball team (YOU call them “prima donnas).
To get away from that issue, YOU scream “Listen to the tape.” I listened to the tape several times. Apparently, so did the team. They were hurt by what was said. I can understand why. YOU can’t. Too bad.
Imus is gone and it is no loss to ANYONE!
April 12th, 2007 at 1:30 pmYou still haven’t addressed one single point.
You are just making sweeping generalizations about the tape with zero facts.
Go back and address the line by line items I gave you to address.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:32 pmDo you hear Don Imus saying, “THOSE ARE SOME ROUGH GIRLS�
April 12th, 2007 at 1:33 pmDid you hear him say they had tattoos?
April 12th, 2007 at 1:33 pmDid you hear them compare them to AMAZONS? GRIZZLY’S? The Toronoto RAPTORS?
April 12th, 2007 at 1:33 pmDid you hear him say “I don’t know if they wanted to beat RUTGERS, but they did�
Did you hear that over your own big mouth?
April 12th, 2007 at 1:34 pmIf you are in a boxing match, and I say you’re “tough”, and was surprised you lost, am I complimenting you or am I insulting you?
April 12th, 2007 at 1:35 pmWell its clear you are not a “progressive”.
You refuse to address the issues, and for two days have been sounding like Ann Coulter, just insulting without addressing any issues.
You are a tribute to stupidity and a waste of my keystrokes.
So from now on, I will stop trying to help you see the light, and just mock you.
Which is much more fun.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:37 pm#320 – Comment by I(mus) WHOREFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
“Go back and address the line by line items I gave you to address.”
I know you think you are SUPREME on this thread, but you are just an empty suit.
I told you what the issue is the way I see it. If you don’t like it, you may may follow all the foul-mouthed (Imus cloned) prima donna directions you’ve given me through our exchange and see how you like it, you nappy headed ‘ho.
Imus is gone and it is no loss to ANYONE!
April 12th, 2007 at 1:46 pma guy with freakish hair like that has no place commenting on anyone else’s…
April 12th, 2007 at 2:05 pmI told you what the issue is the way I see it. If you don’t like it, you may may follow all blah blah blah blah blah…..
Comment by hyenna — April 12, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
Blah blah blah
Talk to the issue loser, or take a hike.
April 12th, 2007 at 2:06 pmyou nappy headed ‘ho.
Comment by hyenna — April 12, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
Gee, for someone so “troubled” by this “horrible slur”, you seem to have no problem using it over and over and over……
:|
Guess it only hurts the Rutgers girls if Imus is saying it, huh?
April 12th, 2007 at 2:08 pmhterrya, read a little about the Imus Ranch for Kids with Cancer, and the other programs and charities that Imus supports, and tell me if that is or isn’t a loss to ANYONE!
He may have (in your eyes) used his position in the media to spew hate or whatever you want to call it. But if you actually ever listened to the Imus show or knew anything about him, you would know that Imus actually used his power in the media to further many positive causes such as: autism research funding, hurricane katrina relief, “greening” the environment, increasing compensation for families of dead soldiers, etc.
He will no longer be able to be a vocal supporter of these causes, because he has been made into a pariah by you (all).
Does this comment make sense to anyone here (besides Worfeus)?
April 12th, 2007 at 2:15 pmGuess it only hurts the Rutgers girls if Imus is saying it, huh?
Comment by I(mus) WHOREFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
When Imus said it, the Rutgers Women’s Basketball team said they were hurt by what he said. I take them at their word. Unlike you, I haven’t called them “girls” nor have I called them “prima donnas.”
Since you have repeatedly called the racial slur a compliment, you shouldn’t be hurt by it either, nor should you consider it “insulting” when I apply it to you, you nappy headed little ‘ho.
Imus is gone, and it is no loss to ANYONE!
April 12th, 2007 at 2:20 pmhterrya, i would appreciate it if you read my comment #331, and responded to it. Thanks.
April 12th, 2007 at 2:34 pmWhen Imus said it, the Rutgers Women’s Basketball team said they were hurt by what he said. I take them at their word. .â€
So if you take them at their word that they were hurt by Imus using the term, nappyheaded ho’s, why would you repeatedly use the word to insult someone in here?
Why would you keep adding to their “hurt”?
April 12th, 2007 at 2:35 pmSince you have repeatedly called the racial slur a compliment, you shouldn’t be hurt by it either,
Comment by hterrya — April 12, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
I’m not hurt by it.
But don’t you think the Rutgers girls might be?
If they are so “hurt” by the word?
April 12th, 2007 at 2:38 pmPlease stop hurting them.
April 12th, 2007 at 2:39 pmI-Train: It makes sense to me that Imus has used his position and power to do good for people over the course of his long career.
Along the way, his history of making (and laughing at) racial slurs has done harm to people of color. Does that make sense to you?
In this case, Imus’ remarks were directed toward and hurt the Rutgers Women’s Basketball team. As he has admitted, he knew it was wrong when he said it. But, he said it anyway, and he has reaped the consequences.
And so, Imus is gone. Since you think it is a loss, I-Train, it would be incorrect to say, “…and it is no loss ANYONE!”
However, it is correct to say, “Imus is gone from MSNBC, and for some, it is no great loss.”
April 12th, 2007 at 2:40 pmNo. Just their largest longest running marketshare in their existence.
Bet you’re good with money too…
April 12th, 2007 at 2:48 pmhterrya: do you think that his insensitive remarks negatively outweigh all of the good he has done? He will no longer be in a position to help these causes. You see it as a good thing because he hurt the feelings of 10 people. How about the feelings of all of the dying children that get a chance of a (short) lifetime to live on his ranch? I’m not trying to sound too sappy but I seriously feel awful about the fact that this charity will (probably) have to close now.
Also, from your point of view, since someone telling a joke is SUCH a terrible travesty, Imus has not “done harm” to just people of color. As his show was a comedy show, he had several comedic characters on, who made fun of Catholics and Irish people as well. Where’s your outrage for those people on non-color?
April 12th, 2007 at 3:31 pmedit #340: You see it as a good thing that he was fired because he hurt the feelings of 10 people.
April 12th, 2007 at 3:33 pmAnd I think the real story here I-Train, is that the comment was meant as praise, not insult.
See there are 2 lies here.
1. That this comment was designed to insult the Rutgers team for losing to Tennessee.
2. That it was racist in its design.
In order for number 2 to work, the activists need number 1 to be accepted first.
So the media claimed Imus was insulting the girls and besmirching their skills.
If they could not get people to accept that, then no one would accept that he meant it in a hurtful and racist way.
They needed number 1 for number 2 to fly.
But a quick review of the video shows that number 1, is a lie, and he was trying to console the players and compliment Tennessee on beating such a ROUGH BUNCH OF GIRLS.
But they won’t admit that, because then their cries of racist lose credibility.
They need to sell the first lie in order to sell the second.
Don’t let them.
April 12th, 2007 at 3:47 pmI am not letting them. In fact, I was listening when he originally said it. I can’t remember whether or not it was the same day he spoke to the widow of the Bishop G.E. Patterson on the show…
April 12th, 2007 at 3:51 pmAren’t you I-Right-I I-Train?
I don’t care either way. If we agree on this issue then we agree on this issue.
Just curious.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:34 pmI do not understand.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:38 pmOk. Then never mind.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:41 pmImus has been fired from CBS.
After raising nearly $1000000 in 5 hours for the radiothon charity….
April 12th, 2007 at 4:55 pm