ThinkFast: April 11, 2007
ThinkFast: April 11, 2007
Two bombs went off today in Algiers killing 30 people, “the first such attacks in Algeria’s capital in years. … Residents said it was the first time since the 1990s that a powerful bomb targeted the centre of the Mediterranean city, where police had stepped up security following an upsurge in attacks by suspected Islamist insurgents in the countryside.”
U.S. forces in Baghdad “are now planning a massive and highly controversial counter-insurgency operation that will seal off vast areas of the city, enclosing whole neighbourhoods with barricades and allowing only Iraqis with newly issued ID cards to enter.”
A new Bloomberg/LA Times poll finds that six in 10 “Americans expect a recession within a year and disapprove of President George W. Bush’s handling of the economy even though the unemployment rate is at a five-year low.”
Despite the fact that Sens. John Edwards, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton are not taking part in the Fox News presidential debate cosponsored by the Congressional Black Caucus, the CBC released a statement last night “announcing that it stands by its plan.” The statement said the CBC “will determine the format and select the panelists for the debates.”
National Intelligence Director Mike McConnell has circulated a draft bill that would expand the government’s surveillance powers under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, liberalizing how that law can be used. “The court-approved surveillance could include planting listening devices and hidden cameras, searching luggage and breaking into homes to make copies of computer hard drives.”
“Sunni militants and residents of the Baghdad neighborhood of Fadhil fought a fierce daylong battle with the Iraqi Army and American soldiers on Tuesday in what appeared to be the most sustained confrontation since the start of the security plan to calm violence in the capital.” Fighting began after Iraqi soldiers raided a Sunni mosque.
“Recent graduates of the US Military Academy at West Point are choosing to leave active duty at the highest rate in more than three decades, a sign to many military specialists that repeated tours in Iraq are prematurely driving out some of the Army’s top young officers.”
Yesterday, the Bush administration agreed to allow North Koreans suspected of money laundering and counterfeiting U.S. dollars to get their money back as part of a deal to “ensure that North Korea shuts down its nuclear reactor by the end of the week.” Former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton blasted the administration’s decision, saying the retreat is “an image of surrender that is going to be hard to erase.”
“Companies including Procter & Gamble Co. and Staples Inc. are pulling advertisements from Don Imus’ show due to the shock jock’s on-air racial slur about the Rutgers University women’s basketball team.”
And finally: Rush Limbaugh is giving away eight, 80-gig video iPods to people who sign up for his e-mail newsletter. Now, “Phillip Torrone of Make magazine and Adafruit Laser Services, a laser-etching etching service for iPods and MacBooks, has kindly offered to etch OxyContin pills for free onto any Rush Limbaugh iPod.” Torrone stated, “I’ll etch pills all over it for free with my laser. We can then auction it off and give the $ to a group Rush [haters].”
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I’m with the 47% on the other side.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:12 amI guess you DO have to Think Fast around here — the part of this thread I was responding to was: “53 percent: Americans who want Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to resign, according to a new Bloomberg/LA Times poll.” I was just reading that in the LA Times myself — guess TP couldn’t handle the truth . . .
April 11th, 2007 at 9:16 amThat “lede” story was replaced with “Two bombs went off today in Algiers killing 30 people” — too bad FDR invaded French Algiers instead of Japan after Pearl Harbor, huh?
April 11th, 2007 at 9:22 amCBS News fires producer for plagiarism
NEW YORK – A CBS News producer was fired and the network apologized after a Katie Couric video essay on libraries was found to be plagiarized from The Wall Street Journal.
The essay was removed from the CBS Web site and an editor’s note was posted saying the item should have credited Jeffrey Zaslow of the Journal.
“We were horrified,” CBS News spokeswoman Sandra Genelius said. “It was almost verbatim.”
…I thought CBS agreed to read only Rove’s daily faxes verbatim??
April 11th, 2007 at 9:22 am“National Intelligence Director Mike McConnell has circulated a draft bill that would expand the government’s surveillance powers under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act,”
Good luck with that one in the Dem-controlled Congress. Did McConnell even pay attention to what happened in November? Did Rip Van Mike just wake up?
April 11th, 2007 at 9:23 amguess TP couldn’t handle the truth . . .
Comment by JaketheLiar— April 11, 2007 @ 9:16 am
Shut up, Jake! Don’t ever…EVER…make a statement regarding truth, when you cut and pasted a Mr.Johnson’s profile during the Korean War as your own
Just a reminder, I will call you on this each and every time I see you post
IDIOT
April 11th, 2007 at 9:24 amThe Bloomsberg poll mentioned also shows that approval of the job Congress has been doing has dropped from 41% immediately after the 2006 elections to 34% now. Wonder why that hasn’t been mentioned on TP?
April 11th, 2007 at 9:25 amComment by Dale — April 11, 2007 @ 9:25 am
link please
April 11th, 2007 at 9:27 am#3 Jake
That “lede†story was replaced with “Two bombs went off today in Algiers killing 30 people†— too bad FDR invaded French Algiers instead of Japan after Pearl Harbor, huh?
Either post comments or smoke crack. One or the other, Jake. Not both.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:28 am#4 CBS News fires producer for plagiarism …
“We were horrified,†CBS News spokeswoman Sandra Genelius said. “It was almost verbatim.â€
Those of us that are paying attention are “horrified” with the msm on a daily basis.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:29 am“Companies including Procter & Gamble Co. and Staples Inc. are pulling advertisements from Don Imus’ show due to the shock jock’s on-air racial slur about the Rutgers University women’s basketball team.â€
Okay, sorry, but business has been busy this week. I really haven’t followed up on current events (i.e. I have no idea who the father is of Anna’s baby), but why all the hoopla regarding Imus, but absolutely no outcry from the media when Beck and Savage bigoted comments get aired?
I am in no way defending Imus, I just don’t understand the media fervor over this, and not Savage or Beck?
April 11th, 2007 at 9:31 amShouldn’t CNN had pulled Beck’s show after numerous sponsors dropped their commercials because of his hated comments? (Oh, right, that never happened)
For the record, I don’t smoke crack and I never cut and pasted a Mr.Johnson’s profile during the Korean War as my own. That “lede” story WAS there this morning — I may be old, but I still have eyes like an eagle.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:31 am. “The court-approved surveillance could include planting listening devices and hidden cameras, searching luggage and breaking into homes to make copies of computer hard drives.â€
I can’t see any reason that your average patriotic American would object to that. While the FBI is in there, they might as well rifle through all the dresser drawers, pry up the floor boards, and check the attic, too. And don’t forget to spy on us at our workplaces, too. Okay?
April 11th, 2007 at 9:32 am#8, sorry bob… the link is referenced above (the Bloomsberg/LA Times poll), which goes to another TP thread, which has the LA Times link in the post. Here it is, though.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:34 amTo all our commenters commenting on the Bloomberg polls, please note we discussed many of its findings last night:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/10/73/
April 11th, 2007 at 9:34 amDale, you are full of crap, Congress approval is up from this time last year, you know when the GOP was in charge.
Just go to the google news search and type in “congress approval”
The only thing in decline is your facts.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:37 amWhy was the “53% Want Gonzales to Resign” part deleted today though?
April 11th, 2007 at 9:38 ami guess what you gotta do when you start making your first big move after taking office is kissing your boss’s ass… nice work, mike… now, why don’t you go back to booz allen…?
And, yes, I DO take it personally
April 11th, 2007 at 9:38 amAmericans expect a recession within a year and disapprove of President George W. Bush’s handling of the economy even though the unemployment rate is at a five-year low.â€
When are people going to wake up to the fact that employment numbers are just about the most bogus statistics there could possibly be? They only reflect the number of people still receiving unemployment benefits. They do NOT account for the number of people whose benefits have expired, who have given up on finding a job, are working two or three low-paying part time jobs, and they do include the active military (thank you Ronald Reagan).
April 11th, 2007 at 9:41 amIncredibly, Bush wants MORE SPYING POWERS.
WASHINGTON -President Bush’s spy chief is pushing to expand the government’s surveillance authority at the same time the administration is under attack for stretching its domestic eavesdropping powers.
National Intelligence Director Mike McConnell has circulated a draft bill that would expand the government’s powers under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, liberalizing how that law can be used.
According to officials familiar with the draft changes to FISA, McConnell wants to:
* Give the NSA the power to monitor foreigners without seeking FISA court approval, even if the surveillance is conducted by tapping phones and e-mail accounts in the United States.
* Triple the life span of a FISA warrant for a non-U.S. citizen from 120 days to one year, allowing the government to monitor much longer without checking back in with a judge.
* Give telecommunications companies immunity from civil liability for their cooperation with Bush’s terrorist surveillance program.
Who will stop this arrogant power grabbing criminal administration? They abuse power then want more. Un-f*king believable.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:41 amFor the record, I don’t smoke crack and I never cut and pasted a Mr.Johnson’s profile during the Korean War as my own.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:45 amComment by JaketheLiar — April 11, 2007 @ 9:31 am
Ohh, and don’t forget the I don’t namejack Wayne’s name, either…
You lying sack of SH*T!!
“Algeria plunged into violence in 1992 after the then military backed authorities scrapped a parliamentary election that an Islamist political party was set to win. Up to 200,000 people were killed in the ensuing bloodshed.”
April 11th, 2007 at 9:45 am(from the Boston Globe link)
… italics mine………
National Intelligence Director Mike McConnell has circulated a draft bill that would expand the government’s surveillance powers under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act
This administration has to be removed, NOW.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:46 amUh, GWB, Congress approvals may be down from last year. I wasn’t comparing last year to this year; but my post #7 specifically talked about the approval rating for prior to the Nov election, then in March, and now.
Prior to Nov election (Republican controlled) 30%.
In March ‘07 (Dem controlled) 41%.
Now – 34%.
I did get the facts wrong a bit in #7, but the point remains… the approval rating of Congress has *dropped* from 41% to 34%; and this just in the past month.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:46 amNational Intelligence Director Mike McConnell has circulated a draft bill that would expand the government’s surveillance powers under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act
but what’s the top headline at yahoo???
April 11th, 2007 at 9:50 amDetails of the items found in an astronaut’s vehicle!
Jebbus! Our constitution, our freedom is getting molested every day by this administration, and all we, as Americans, care about is what S & M material an accused stalker had???
Who cares about your quibbling little percentages, Dale?
April 11th, 2007 at 9:52 amIf Congress wasn’t hampered at every turn by having to root out the pervasive corruption of all three branches of government, they might be able to accomplish work that has a direct relevance to American citizens in the present moment.
Good thing FDR wasn’t scared about spying on our enemies during WWII either — did anyone (NOT on the “Ignore List”) read “FDR’s Secret Espionage” by Joseph Perisco (sp?)?
April 11th, 2007 at 9:55 amU.S. forces in Baghdad “are now planning a massive and highly controversial counter-insurgency operation that will seal off vast areas of the city, enclosing whole neighbourhoods with barricades and allowing only Iraqis with newly issued ID cards to enter.â€
Somewhere I remember reading that our troops were there to bring freedom to those people. Must’ve been a misprint.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:55 amJake #1 no Kidding…really?
#3 are you freaking kidding me? By the time we had invaded North Africa (to secure flanks, shipping lanes, gains experience for our troops etc… We had in the pacific already fought three decisive battles, Coral Sea, saving Australia from potential invasion, Midway, Stemming the Japanese tide and Guadalcanal the first step in the ultimate goal of defeating Japan. Geez, I wish they would have known back then that they could have skipped all of that and simply invaded Japan outright. Heck they could have skipped right over the whole notion of logistics and got right to the Jake plan. Of course you know FDR did not make the battle plans, it was IKE and Marshal in Europe while Marshall/MacArthur, and Halsey handled the pacific.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:55 amA drop of 7 points and still higher than the republic controlled congress, eh Dale?
April 11th, 2007 at 9:56 amBut, but, I thought there was a “huge mandate” in November to STOP THE WAR? Your guys can’t do that AND chew gum at the same time?
GO KUCINICH and FEINGOLD!!!
April 11th, 2007 at 9:57 am#26, apparently 66% of the public cares.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:58 amGary Kleppe:
How long did it take for the U.S. to bring freedom to East Germany?
April 11th, 2007 at 9:58 am#29, yep… but only a couple of months in. Guess time will tell, huh?
April 11th, 2007 at 9:59 amHEY, TP!
“We can then auction it off and give the $ to a group Rush hates.”
…in other words, groups like TP, moveon, aclu, etc…
same difference i suppose…
April 11th, 2007 at 10:03 amHow long did it take for the U.S. to bring freedom to East Germany?
April 11th, 2007 at 10:05 amComment by JakeOfLiarville — April 11, 2007 @ 9:58 am
I dunno, how long did it take for me to search and refute your bogus claim of military service?
Oh yea, about 5 minutes
MORON
The federal government wants more power to look into our lives and wants less power for oversight into what the government does.
Funny, this was the kind of stuff that the rightwingers were blowing up buildings because of in the 1990’s.
-GSD
April 11th, 2007 at 10:06 amDale,
And what’s sad is how much that rating “dip” which is still higher than the GOP scores, was related simply by a lie spread by the GOP about Nancy Pelosi’s trip to Syria. Don’t cha think it’s pathetic that the state this country is in, and the GOP continues to have no ethics?
April 11th, 2007 at 10:09 amIf Congress wasn’t hampered at every turn by having to root out the pervasive corruption of all three branches of government, they might be able to accomplish work that has a direct relevance to American citizens in the present moment.
Comment by Raven
I’d rather they focus on bogus witchhunts than pass budget-busting feel-good legislation.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:09 amHey, GSD…
http://www.rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fseattlepi.nwsource.com%2Fnational%2F311046_fbiterror11.html
April 11th, 2007 at 10:09 amAccording to a recent New York Times/CBS poll…
the top issues for Democratic voters are: war, Iraq, universal medical care and torture/detentions. Next tier, in constantly changing order: power of the President, politicization of justice and abuses of Constitutional rights, energy & environment, education, jobs, poverty. Terrorism is there somewhere, largely in the form of speculation that Bush’s belligerent foreign policy causes it.
The top issues for Republican voters in the same poll are abortion, homosexuality, and tax cuts. Second tier: universal health insurance, the economy (mainly as protection of US wealth and living standards from foreigners, immigrants, energy shortages and the unworthy poor). Peripheral issues include education, freedom to carry concealed weapons, not teaching evolution, controlling stem cell research.
My scientific conclusion…Republicans are fu*kng nuts!
April 11th, 2007 at 10:11 am“Companies including Procter & Gamble Co. and Staples Inc. …”
…should consider the same action towards ALL the racist haters and bigots who spew their shite on the public airwaves…
if nothing else, maybe this latest epidode has brought attention to all the hate that’s become more and more prevalent in the media…
April 11th, 2007 at 10:12 amtime for it to stop.
…
The federal government wants more power to look into our lives and wants less power for oversight into what the government does.
Funny, this was the kind of stuff that the rightwingers were blowing up buildings because of in the 1990’s.
-GSD
Comment by GSD
Good point GSD. The last thing we want is our government watching out for terrorist plots in the U.S. God forbid they find out what you look at on the internet in the process. We are all so interested in that.
By the way, you don’t have to type your initials at the end of your post — the system does that for you.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:14 amJake should be ignored. He is less coherent as the weeks go by.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:14 amCyclopean Ignorant:
April 11th, 2007 at 10:16 amFeel good legislation?
Like, another $100 billion on guns and ammo?
And $700 million to reroute a railroad to nowhere for a Mississippi bigot?
Yes, it’s was Pres. Bush’s fault that the USS Cole was attacked. And the Achille Lauro. And the TWA flight over Lockerbie. And the two embassies in Africa. And the first attack on WTC. And the fact that he was only in office 8 months before the second attack on WTC. And the Pentagon. And flight 93.
Yes, that darn Pres. Bush.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:17 amthe top issues for Democratic voters are: war, Iraq, universal medical care and torture/detentions.
Comment by Larry from C
Or, put another way, the top wants of Dims are:
April 11th, 2007 at 10:19 am1. Surrendering as soon as possible to the people who want to kill us.
2. Increasing the costs and decreasing the quality of health care.
3. Coddling and releasing captured enemies of the state.
All of the trolls should be ignored. They are either bald faced liars or batshit insane. Why try to engage people like that?
And yea I know I’m guilty of it myself but I try to keep it to a minimum.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:20 amAnd the fact that he was only in office 8 months before the second attack on WTC.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:21 amAnd Clinton was in office one month before the WTC bombing; those guys were found, tried, convicted.
And what did Bush do to track the bombers of the Cole which had been identified just weeks before he took office? Nothing.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:22 amAnd where is OBL?
April 11th, 2007 at 10:23 amBush’s reply “I dunno.” “I don’t think about him much.”
go away jake.
you are a liar and a scumbag. you did plagiarize mr johnston’s bio. you are not old, you are ignorant. you have never served this country in any way shape or form. in short, you are a newage repbublican.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:27 amDid you miss this story from May 2006?
Cheney and Rumsfeld Shielded Telecoms from Domestic Spying Charges in the 1970s
President Bush’s illegal domestic spying program is not the first government program for spying on American citizens. To understand how the present controversy will play out, we need look no farther back in history than the Ford Administration.
After World War II, the NSA’s predecessor, the Army Signal Security Agency, sent representatives to the major telegraph companies and asked for cooperation in getting access to all telegraph traffic entering or leaving the United States. The companies complied, over the objections of their lawyers.
When these practices came to light as part of a 1976 investigation into intelligence abuses, President Gerald R. Ford extended executive privilege, which shielded those involved from testifying publicly on the recommendation of then chief-of-staff Dick Cheney and then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:29 amFor the record, I served during the Korean War — if anyone (NOT on the “Ignore List”) has any questions about that, please let me know : )
April 11th, 2007 at 10:29 amGod forbid, there was SPYING ON ENEMIES during that War too.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:30 amThe last thing we want is our government watching out for terrorist plots in the U.S.
Comment by Cynicon Implant — April 11, 2007 @ 10:14 am
Get real. If “terrorists” wanted to attack the U.S. they would have blown up a few chlorine tankers by now.
Do you really want your government to spy on everyone who’s ever read those stories coming out of Iraq? If you think a government that spys on everyone keeps us safer, you haven’t read 1984.
Actually, from all indications, you’re already a Party member. You represent the antithesis of what the Constitution was drafted for, and for which so many women and men have died for already.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:34 amJake,
Tell me did you serve on your knees, or bent over like all GOP’ers?
April 11th, 2007 at 10:35 am6 in 10 Americans expect a recession? Nah, we’re in one now!!! We’ve been in a recession for at least 2 years now. This country is quickly declining to the point of no return and if we can’t get rid of the problem (i.e. Bush and his cronies) we will not see the light of day for decades to come. How long did it take to recover from the Reagan recession?
April 11th, 2007 at 10:36 amfrom May 06′.
Why would the government seek and store records of every telephone call to your doctor, your lawyer, your next door neighbor?
The National Security Agency has been amassing a vast, secret database with records of tens of millions of telephone calls made by Americans, USA Today reported. The government has created the largest database ever assembled, according to an anonymous source quoted by the newspaper.
The government apparently has even bigger plans “to create a database of every call ever made within the nation’s borders” to identify and track suspected terrorists. Think about that. Every phone call ever made.
At first blush this program carries troubling echoes of Total Information Awareness, a proposed Defense Department “data-mining” expedition into a mass of personal information on individuals’ driver’s licenses, passports, credit card purchases, car rentals, medical prescriptions, banking transactions and more. That was curbed by Congress after a public outcry. It seems the people who wanted to bring you TIA didn’t get the message.
Either Bush believes every American is a terrorist or this program is so illegal it is impeachable.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:38 amSometimes trolls must not be ignored, especially when they take it upon themselves to distort progressive positions as in post #46. In such cases, they should be slammed HARD! We must defend ourselves against such character assassinations and misrepresentations.
1. Democrats don’t want to surrender, they want to choose their battles and wars more rationally and with consideration of the costs and potential benefits.
2. The costs of American health care are continuing to escalate under our current system and the quality of health care is highly dependent upon the ability of the person to pay. Democrats want to reform the system to make it better.
3. Democrats don’t want the US government to be labelling people as “enemies of the state” without solid proof or to use such labels and incarceration as cover-up for failed policies.
Cynicon Implant, you and your neocon neandrathal Bushmen should be spending your time trying to defend YOUR positions instead of distorting progressives’ philosophy. Of course, we all know that that is getting increasingly harder and so you resort to smears.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:38 amComment by Jake — April 11, 2007 @ 10:29 am
Jake, I am not on “the list ™”, please enlighten me on your service.
Sorry folks, I had to
April 11th, 2007 at 10:38 amyou are a liar jake. it has been proven. go away. nothing you say has any relevance at all. if I’m on your stupid little list why aren’t you ignoring me? I’m really talking to everyone else anyway since nothing you say can be believed now.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:39 amJake, don’t you find it remarkable that 53% of Americans care enough about this story to form the opinion that Gonzales should resign? Wasn’t this story of interest only to Washington insiders? That is what the MSM and the Republicans keep telling us. People in the heartland don’t care about this kind of Washington gotcha politics, they tell us. Dems will get punished by voters if they persist with the investigations, we have been told. If that storyline has any validity, then shouldn’t the number of people wanting Gonzales to resign be much smaller, say 10% or so on the far-left fringe of the Democratic party? What about the fact that 53% exceeds the entire Democratic party?
April 11th, 2007 at 10:40 amFor the record, not every Arab-American is a terrorist (lucky for them, however, FDR is no longer President ; )
April 11th, 2007 at 10:41 amFor the record, I served during the Korean War — if anyone (NOT on the “Ignore Listâ€) has any questions about that, please let me know : )
Comment by JaketheLyingExcrement — April 11, 2007 @ 10:29 am
Ummm, sure, in your little fantasy world, where cutting and pasting a true hero’s biography as your own is considered serving
DORK!
April 11th, 2007 at 10:42 amhacker bob:
I served in Korea AND Japan during the Korean War.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:43 am#54, thanks for your service. My dad served during the Korean war; luckily he wasn’t sent overseas; he was stateside. A number of my uncles also served; with some being sent over. Thankfully they all came back whole.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:44 amThanks PLC, you say it much better than I do. Bushmen, now that’s a good one. Not just Democrats want and believe what you listed. Many rational republicans and conservatives are looking at the tatters of their party and feel betrayed.
Independents also share these concerns.
Bushmen, that’s my word for the day.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:47 amJake, justice-gate has become quite an amazing story of grass roots politics. For two months the MSM refused to report on this story. They only started covering the story after being dragged into it by bloggers, kicking and screaming the whole way. Then they tried mightily to change the story to better serve their GOP masters. They aped every GOP talking point. They told the American people that no one cared about this story, that it was just gotcha politics, and that there was popular opposition to any investigations. MSM jounalists deliberately ignored polls and substituted their own opinions and beliefs for the truth. And yet with all this help from the MSM, the Bush administration still couldn’t keep a lid on its criminal activities. The only reason that 53% and not 10% want Gonzo to resign is pure grassroots action.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:50 amre #67
jake is making a mockery of your dad’s service. he claimed to be a veteran of the Korean War on a different thread a while back, and posted some details of his service. unfortunely for him, and those who actually did serve, jake was busted cutting and pasting from an online bio of actual Korean War Vet. At first jake the liar and plagiarist claimed that he served with Mr. Johnson. Now he pretends this never happened and he hide behind his silly list.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:50 am#70, never saw that thread… if Jake is lying (and I don’t know, so I won’t say one way or another), his lies make a mockery of *all* service.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:55 amhellinabucket
So easy, even a Bushman can do it!
I agree with your assessment that rational republicans and conservatives feel betrayed by Bush. That’s why I always use the “neocon” or “BushCo” label to pinpoint my criticism. While I am far from a social conservative, I do see some value in a fiscal conservative check and balance on social progressive agendas. The neocons are neither socially nor fiscally conservative. They are trying to remake society in their vision through government power as well as trying to enrich themelves, while jeopardizing our financial future and security to do so.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:56 amyou are correct bob (not the hacker)
and for those with a short memory, here is the thread:
Start reading from post #170
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/05/pelosi-syria-prove-it/#comments
Jake, in all seriousness….EAT SH*T and DIE for plageurizing a military career as your own!
April 11th, 2007 at 10:57 amjake, it’s really very simple: just start posting under a new fake screen persona. Become Angela, the housewife from Queens who’s only grandson is serving in Iraq. you won’t have to hide behind your silly list, you won’t have to pretend to have served our country, and you can wear women’s underwear while you post, for a reason. you will also be able to attack us liberals for hurting your son’s moral. until you get exposed as a fraud for that persona. but then you can come back as someone else.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:01 am#23 Anderson
This administration has to be removed, NOW.
It may sound simple. It may sound rash to some, but it’s true. We have an administration that relies completely on bullshit and stonewalling for its continued existence. They won’t release documents, because it will expose their crimes. They won’t tesitify, because it will expose their crimes. They send mouthpieces like Perino in front of the press to lie and spin and insult everyone’s intelligence. They know that nobody believes them, but they don’t care, because it’s helping them stall for time.
They know they’ve been caught and they know that most of the country is on to them. But, they think they can stall every attempt to bring out the truth by throwing up legal obstructions and playing dumb. Rove is the main one orchestrating this. Someone needs to tie him in court to disrupt his strategizing. He’s still working on messing up the ‘08 election and if Congress doesn’t fix the U.S. Attorney situation soon, he might be able to do it.
These people have to go and the Dems can’t be timid about it. Maybe they should start by impeaching Gonzales.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:01 amya know…
it used to be so much easier to step around the troll poop and get extra news and stories on the open FAST thread…
now, there is so much needless back and forth, it’s become a chore…
it’s quite obvious that the comments can handily refute the ignorance and stoopidity without actually engaging the culprits…
i’ve taken to reading the thread’s copy and skipping the comments as i’m quite sure, with the first appearance of jake/dale/michael?/patrick/etal, that the devolution of intelligent discourse will soon follow…
besides, i’m in mourning… this is the last week for sam’s show…
April 11th, 2007 at 11:02 amanother beginning of the end… (i can’t finish that… such pain…)…
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so Jake… please tell us your story about where you served in Korea and with what unit? what branch? did you kill anyone? did you get any medals?
and why was it again that you cut and pasted some “other” soldiers story and didnt give any indication it was the story of someone else and not yourself?
oh since your getting veterans benefits do you mind telling us how frequently you receive them and what some of the wording on the checks reads?
for example, who is the payor? what color are the checks? (not asking for the amount, just some proof you actually know what veterans benefits actually look like..
April 11th, 2007 at 11:05 amI want a Special Edition Rush Limbaugh Oxycontin Video I-Pod!!!
April 11th, 2007 at 11:09 amJake, where did ya go? Lying piece of crap, typical GOP scum…
April 11th, 2007 at 11:10 amThe government apparently has even bigger plans “to create a database of every call ever made within the nation’s borders†to identify and track suspected terrorists. Think about that. Every phone call ever made.
Comment by Larry from C
You mean even the ones I made to my offshore bank and the KKK? What about ones where I called my secret Nazi connections in South America?
Hey Larry, repeat after me: “they are not out to get me, they are not out to get me…”
Paranoid freak.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:11 am#76, hey cynicon; you haven’t made it to the level of troll yet… keep trying :-)
April 11th, 2007 at 11:15 amSomewhere I remember reading that our troops were there to bring freedom to those people. Must’ve been a misprint.
Comment by Gary Kleppe — April 11, 2007 @ 9:55 am
This must be the practice for how GWB plans to keep us in line when the American people decide we have had enough of his disregard for the rights we used to have. That bill McConnell want to pass might just be the straw that broke the camel’s back.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:19 amFBI gathered ‘purely political intel’ on war critics.
“A secret FBI intelligence unit helped detain a group of war protesters in a downtown Washington parking garage in April 2002 and interrogated some of them on videotape about their political and religious beliefs, newly uncovered documents and interviews show…The revelations, combined with protester accounts, provide the first public evidence that Washington-based FBI personnel used their intelligence-gathering powers in the District to collect purely political intelligence.â€Â
April 11th, 2007 at 11:21 am#76, hey cynicon; you haven’t made it to the level of troll yet… keep trying :-)
Comment by Dale
I feel so small and unimportant… why doesn’t katy hate me?
Wait, maybe her term of affection for me is “etal”! Yeah, that’s the ticket!
April 11th, 2007 at 11:22 amCongress Must Cut Off Bush Family War Profits
04/10/2007
Since this war on terror was declared following 9/11, the pay levels for the CEOs of the top 34 defense contractors have doubled. The average compensation rose from $3.6 million during the period of 1998-2001 to $7.2 million during the period of 2002-2005, according to an August 2006 report entitled, “Executive Excess 2006,” by the Washington-based Institute for Policy Studies and the Boston-based United for a Fair Economy. 

This study found that since 9/11, the 34 defense CEOs have pocketed a combined total of $984 million, or enough, the report says, to cover the wages for more than a million Iraqis for a year. In 2005, the average total compensation for the CEOs of large U.S. corporations was only 6% above 2001 figures, while defense CEOs pay was 108% higher.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:24 am#80 Cynicon Implant
Hey Larry, repeat after me: “they are not out to get me, they are not out to get me…â€
Paranoid freak.
Help me out here. I’m trying to see this trustworthiness that you’re seeing. So, you haven’t seen enough abuse of power? False arrests and imprisonments? Torture, even though Bush denied anyone was being tortured? Tens of thousands of domestic wiretaps that never led to any prosecution? FBI illegally using wiretaps for criminal prosecutions even though they were intended for terrorist surveillance? And the DoJ and White House, working hand in hand to stack the deck in all of the U.S. Attorneys’ offices in the country to make federal criminal prosecution part of their election strategy? I realize they’re doing that for YOUR team, but doesn’t it strike you as just a bit crooked?
You just go ahead and trust them. We’ll try and protect your rights, even though you don’t care enough to do it for yourself.
Patsy.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:25 amCynicon, that’s the argument the Bush administration uses. The terrorists are out to get us so let’s get them there so we don’t fight them here. That is a load of crap but you swallow that gladly.
Whether or not the spying on US citizens goes to the depths that have been shown here it goes against the principles of this country.
Fear has been driving both. Who said “People who look for security over freedom deserve neither”. I’m sure that’s not the exact quote but the meaning holds true.
This adminstration has fed us a daily supply of fear. Now when true americans question it we get bullied or called unamerican. Questioning your government to keep it true is one of the most patriotic things anyone can do.
Deny that and you deny the principles on which this country was founded.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:26 amI don’t really care if Jake served in the military or not, although if he is lying he should be called on that. Being in the military does not exempt you from criticism, does not make the political views you have morally superior. In short, in my book you don’t get a pass just because you served anymore than a lying progressive, a bigoted civil rights leader, or a Democratic President who engages in a shameful sexual behavior gets a pass.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:29 am#84
etal (the troll formerly known as Cynicon Implant)
April 11th, 2007 at 11:29 amFor the record, I served during the Korean War — if anyone (NOT on the “Ignore Listâ€) has any questions about that, please let me know : )
Comment by Jake — April 11, 2007 @ 10:29 am
You’ve already been found guilty on the charge of stealing a real soldiers information to use as your own. We all KNOW you’ve never served in any service.
Except the job you are doing now, trolling, for that hack Regent education you got at your bible thumping school.
Tell us Jake why you care more about the Republican Party than you care about the Country or the Constitution. Whatever the reason it makes you a traitor.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:31 amHow long did it take for the U.S. to bring freedom to East Germany?
Comment by Jake — April 11, 2007 @ 9:58 am
Ooooh, Jake’s all excited. He found one person not on his PANSY IGNORE LIST.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:33 amA new Bloomberg/LA Times poll finds that six in 10 “Americans expect a recession within a year and disapprove of President George W. Bush’s handling of the economy even though the unemployment rate is at a five-year low.â€
Butt butt, butt, yesterday’s Foxnews online only poll, overwhelmingly stated that the economy is better under President Bush than President Clinton.
/snarkasm
April 11th, 2007 at 11:35 amDale:
I’m not lying — I was in the 60th Signal Service Company (ASA) during the Korean War — because these yahoos found someone on-line who also served in the 60th Signal Service Company, they think I am lying. It’s as simple as that.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:35 amI’m home with a sick child today, so I have lots of time to f*ck up the trolls.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:36 amJake still longs for the big green army dick.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:39 ambecause these yahoos found someone on-line who also served in the 60th Signal Service Company, they think I am lying. It’s as simple as that.
Comment by JakecontinuestoLie — April 11, 2007 @ 11:35 am
and your tenure was the exact same as Mr.Johnson’s? Don’t think so!
April 11th, 2007 at 11:41 amI will continue to post the link refuting your claim, you stupid a$$ moron
Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires — a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we’re talking about chasing down terrorists, we’re talking about getting a court order before we do so. It’s important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.
-President Bush in 2005
The Federal Bureau of Investigation illegally gathered data from telephone and financial records of both US citizens and foreigners while searching for terrorists, according to a 130-page report issued by US DOJ Inspector General Glenn Fine earlier this month. Last week, Fine told the US House Judiciary Committee that the confusion and abuse surrounding the use of NSLs was “unacceptable and inexcusable.”
-The Jurist March 2007
April 11th, 2007 at 11:41 am#93, well Jake, I don’t really know whether you’re lying or not. Unless I have proof, I’m not going to say otherwise, so I’ll say this:
If you did indeed serve, then thank you sir.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:42 amThis adminstration has fed us a daily supply of fear. Now when true americans question it we get bullied or called unamerican. Questioning your government to keep it true is one of the most patriotic things anyone can do.
Deny that and you deny the principles on which this country was founded.
Comment by hellinabucket
I defend your right to question what the admin. is doing and I don’t think it’s unamerican.
I just don’t think it’s as big a danger to our freedom as most here do.
chimpeach says: “False arrests and imprisonments? Torture, even though Bush denied anyone was being tortured? Tens of thousands of domestic wiretaps that never led to any prosecution? FBI illegally using wiretaps for criminal prosecutions even though they were intended for terrorist surveillance?”
I say show me the evidence that supports these claims and I might change my mind. Until then, I’ll leave you to your paranoid delusions.
Just for starters let’s take “Tens of thousands of domestic wiretaps that never led to any prosecution?”
So now proof that wiretaps are NOT being used to prosecute Americans is evidence that the Bush admin. is evil?
Bit of a reach, don’t you think?
April 11th, 2007 at 11:44 amRush Limbaugh doesn’t know that iPods and any other product by Apple promotes liberal thinking, like an electronic trojan horse of sorts. Rush is stupid.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:45 amFor the record, my “tenure” was not the same as Johnston’s — we both made it back whole though — more than I can say for lots of brave souls who lost their lives in that war (oh, that’s right, Korea wasn’t a “real” war either according to your side).
April 11th, 2007 at 11:47 amYou’re welcome, Dale. Tell your dad, thanks from me as well.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:48 am#93, well Jake, I don’t really know whether you’re lying or not. Unless I have proof, I’m not going to say otherwise, so I’ll say this:
Comment by Dale — April 11, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Ummmm, you did follow the link I provided, didn’t you? Which provides clearly that Jake is a liar.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:48 amOr are you going to base your conclusion on “gut feelings”?
Nice Spinny Cynny,
If you wiretap millions, tens of thousands isn’t relavant. It’s a non-comparison.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:50 amAnyone NOT on the “Ignore List” can ask any question they want about the “link” posted at #73.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:53 amI don’t need the existence of wiretaps to show that Bush is bad for this country. Exhibit A. A republican hack inserts documentation into the Patriot Act that bypasses congressional responsibility in oversight and approval of nominated officials. When found out, the congress overwhelmingly ripped that out of the Patriot Act.
Exhibit B. A major problem in why the LA National Guard was unable to respond as quick and as strong as they should have is because the majority of their troops and equipment had been pulled over into Iraq. The Federal Govt (Bush) decided that the March of Freedom in Iraq is more important than the primary function of the National Guard.
Exhibit C. Supplemental funding for a conflict that has been going on for 5 years. Enormous amount of debt is being added up that’s not showing on any tally sheet. Our grandkids will be paying for this and Bush doesn’t have the Balls to put everything on the table.
The failure for this administration to follow thru with there fear and make it a National problem. With National sacrifice and a common goal. He wants us to shop and then gets mad when we question him.
The wiretaps are an example of collecting as much data as possible but the reason on why they are collecting the data isn’t acknowledged. The extent of invasion that some claim does excede mine, but the fact that it’s happening is alarming.
I want to believe in my government. This administration hasn’t given me much to believe in.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:57 ambut…but…but…FDR!
April 11th, 2007 at 11:58 am45% vs 43% of Americans want the congress to withhold funds for the war. Small percentage, but something to think about.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:01 pmJake, you are not important. Bushman Jake you shall be called hence forth. Now Bush off.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:05 pmFirst, I dont know what is your obsession with Jake.
If he was a smart troll, one that at least cites things like, perhaps, Dale, I would understand the desire to engage him, but just read the first posts made by Jake. Does that really is worth debating? Come on. Ignore it. Let it post more nonsense.
I don’t think it’s unamerican.
I just don’t think it’s as big a danger to our freedom as most here do.
Comment by Cynicon Implant
Whats unamerican? Please, explain me cuz so far, nobody has been able to explain, without pathetic chauvinistic propaganda, what means to be from one country or other. If you had been born in a plane, you would have to take the country´s airline as your country. In Russia, for example, it doesnt matter where you were born, what it matters is the nationality of your parents. So, again, Im confused at your concept of what to be an american means. As far as I know, mapuche indians in Chile are as americans as you are, ´cause America is the WHOLE CONTINENT, as you probably known, named after Americus Vespusius.
In my opinion you have a highly dosed of national fanatism, which in fact puts you in the same level that jihadists. Good job.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:06 pmIf anyone NOT on the “Ignore List” has a question about the Attorney General “scandal” please let me know that too.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:10 pmWhy does Rape Joke Jake keep thinking anyone wants to ask him questions?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:20 pmFirst we had this:
1. Surrendering as soon as possible to the people who want to kill us.
3. Coddling and releasing captured enemies of the state.
Comment by Cynicon Implant
Then this comment regarding Larry from C:
Paranoid freak.
Comment by Cynicon Implant
Isnt it funny?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:21 pmIsnt it funny?
Comment by Juan C
It’s hilarious! I wonder if CI gets whiplash when he tries to think?
Have a great day, Juan. :-)
April 11th, 2007 at 12:28 pmFor the record, I’ve been asked at least three dozen questions on this thread alone, so it’s not just my imagination (if anyone NOT on the “Ignore List” wants to know why people keep falsely accusing me of a rape joke I did not make, let me know : )
April 11th, 2007 at 12:30 pmHave a great day, Juan. :-)
Comment by Zooey
You too, Super Z. :)
April 11th, 2007 at 12:31 pmgood points on the venom from CI Juan C.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:33 pmI wonder if CI gets whiplash when he tries to think?
That’s one of those philosophical questions that can’t be answered because the premise never occurs.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:36 pmJake has been the center of this thread for over 100 posts and now even I’m doing it. I wish people would stop responding to him (at least I’m not responding to him directly in this post). He wants people to ask him questions because he believes he is the teacher and we are his students (like exley) and the only way we can learn is through asking our master questions. The longer we keep making him the center of attention the longer he will stay on TP (although I have noticed that even when we ignore him he still makes a comment on every other post).
April 11th, 2007 at 12:38 pm#99 Cynicon Implant
Just for starters let’s take “Tens of thousands of domestic wiretaps that never led to any prosecution?â€
So now proof that wiretaps are NOT being used to prosecute Americans is evidence that the Bush admin. is evil?
Bit of a reach, don’t you think?
Not much of a reach at all:
Spy Agency Data After Sept. 11 Led F.B.I. to Dead Ends
WASHINGTON, Jan. 16 – In the anxious months after the Sept. 11 attacks, the National Security Agency began sending a steady stream of telephone numbers, e-mail addresses and names to the F.B.I. in search of terrorists. The stream soon became a flood, requiring hundreds of agents to check out thousands of tips a month.
But virtually all of them, current and former officials say, led to dead ends or innocent Americans.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:49 pmI wonder if CI gets whiplash when he tries to think?
That’s one of those philosophical questions that can’t be answered because the premise never occurs.
Comment by Gary Kleppe
Clever.
Interesting theory that only progressives think. Makes you wonder why they aren’t always in power.
Oh right, it’s because most Americans are too stupid and unenlightened to vote for them. Either that or most Americans don’t like being told they are stupid or uninformed.
So, speaking of conundum-like questions, Gary, who is more stupid — the uninformed masses or the arrogant progressives who call them stupid thereby ensuring that they will not be elected?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:52 pmAh, here’s a good one from the LA Times:
April 11th, 2007 at 1:01 pm
#103, I did follow the link. But I like to give people the benefit of the doubt… maybe, maybe Jake was lying about the details of his service, but unless I have proof otherwise, then yes, I’ll thank him for his service.
It doesn’t hurt anything, and I’d rather thank someone for serving their country when they didn’t; than *not* thank them when they did. Just a difference of opinion between you and I.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:02 pmSo, speaking of conundum-like questions, Gary, who is more stupid — the uninformed masses or the arrogant progressives who call them stupid thereby ensuring that they will not be elected?
I didn’t call the masses stupid, chucklehead. Just you.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:12 pmDale, Jake is an obvious liar, just like you are. You already know that. That’s what you CONS do, you CON people.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:37 pm#125, what did I say in any of my comments to make you think I lie?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:41 pmComment by DRxJ — April 11, 2007 @ 10:57 am
DRxJ, Thanks for the link. Right on the money, as always.
My, My Jake. Things don’t look good here. You seem to have been caught red handed. Pretty insulting for those that have and are currently serving. Also, you do know it is illegal in some staes to pose as a service member, current or former, right? Also, before you claim any awards you may have won, check into the The Stolen Valor Act of 2005.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:46 pmIt’s a free country and the freedom to avoid sleazy, propagandizing broadcasters like the plague is a right that all Democratic candidates should exercise.
They should be doing it on a daily basis.
Boycott Fox.
Dem politicians and all MSM journos and pundits: Your supporters and fans are tired of seeing you give the Fox brand of gutter journalism any credence by appearing on Fox.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:04 pmvia C&L:
April 11th, 2007 at 2:30 pmThe Washington Note: Take a look at this simple chart…
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/002054.php
…
McConnell sounds right at home, in the GESTAPO.
April 11th, 2007 at 3:06 pmhttp://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/10/business/venez.php
April 11th, 2007 at 3:51 pmWith President Hugo Chávez setting May 1 as the deadline for an ambitious plan to wrest control of several major oil projects from U.S. and European companies, a showdown is looming here over access to some of the most coveted energy resources outside the Middle East.
And *finally*, the real victims in the Duke ‘rape’ case have been exonerated.
And gee, Nifong is a Democrat!
Wonder why TP is posting anything about this?
April 11th, 2007 at 4:19 pm#132, should’ve been isn’t
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GESTAPO TACTICS, Mike McConnell? WE KNOW YOU ARE A NAZI-FASCIST GOOSE-STEPPING CREEP OF Bushland Uber Allies–EITHER WITHDRAW THAT DRAFT BILL OR FACE IMMEDIATE EXTERMINATION AT THE HANDS OF ANGRY AMERICAN CITIZENS WHO WILL NOT COUNTENANCE OR ALLOW YOUR PERFIDY!!!!!
SURGE NOT WORKING, EH Monkey Boy CHIMPya? THE EVENTS OF THE GROUND ARE PROVING YOU WRONG—STOP KILLING OUR SOLDIERS NEEDLESSLY!!!!! TIMETABLE, TIMETABLE, TIMETABLE, CHIMpya, FRANKENCheney, McPAIN, LIE-Berman—ALL CRAZED FOOLS WHO AFE CRIMINAL IN THEIR SACRIFICE OF AMERICAN TROOPS!!!!!
THE MILITARY IS LEFT TROOPLESS BY VIRTUE, OR LACK OF VIRTUE THEREOF, OF CHIMPya and Bushland Uber Allies!!!!!
Bolton SHOULD JUST SHUT THE F*CK UP AND DIE THE DEATH OF THE FORGOTTEN, AND WITH GOOD REASON—HE IS A FORGOTTEN ENTITY AND A COWARDLY neo-CON-man!!!!!
WELL I GUESS Imus IS DONE, IN FACT I JUST HEARD ON THE NEWS THAT MSNBC HAS GIVEN HIM THE HEAVE-HO, THE BOOT, HIS WALKING PAPERS, THE “You’re Fired” WORDS!!!!!
HOW ABOUT A CARICATURE OF Limburger GYRATING HIS OBSCENE FLAB IN A DERVIS-LIKE CONTORTION–GUARANTEED TO MAKE EVEN THE MOST HARDENED AND JADED FELLOW OR GAL TOSS THEIR COOKIES!!!!!
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