CBS has fired Don Imus,
By on Apr 12th, 2007 at 4:42 pm
CBS has fired Don Imus,
the AP reports.
UPDATE: “CBS brought the tumultuous weeklong crisis over racially insensitive remarks by the radio host Don Imus to an end late this afternoon when it canceled the ‘Imus in the Morning’ program, effective immediately. The move came one day after MSNBC, which has simulcast Mr. Imus’s radio program for the past 10 years, removed the show from the cable network’s morning lineup. The two moves together mean that Mr. Imus, who has been broadcasting his program for more than 30 years, no longer has a home on either national radio or television.”
UPDATE II: CBS’s statement.
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maybe he can be the new war czar
April 12th, 2007 at 4:43 pmYay!
I was starting to give up hope on ever holding anyone accountable for what they say.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:44 pmGood riddance…next!
April 12th, 2007 at 4:44 pmNow, let’s fire Dumpya & his cohorts.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:46 pmWhat a shame. Think CBS will fire all of their rap artists for saying worse……
April 12th, 2007 at 4:47 pmGreat.
So racism wins another victim.
Heckuvajob.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:47 pmIs civility in the public square trying to make a comeback?
April 12th, 2007 at 4:47 pmIf so, Imus really should only be the beginning.
I hope Limbaugh is next… He’s worse than Imus.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:47 pmTime to fire this administration. Aggressively.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:48 pmGood. Maybe we can get back to more important things.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:48 pmWell if I was Imus I wouldn’t meet with the Rutgers team.
Id’ tell them to kiss my ass, along with Al Sharpton, Donna Brazille and the rest of the hate mongerers out there who invent racism where none is there.
Its reverse racism, and it makes me wanna puke.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:49 pmDon Imus is being used as an “example” of the will of the people against this GOP establishment of lies and deceit! First goes Don Imus; next goes the Bush Cabal!
April 12th, 2007 at 4:49 pmLet me get some popcorn, this one is going to be a fun one to watch.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:49 pmHow long do you think it’ll be before he’s picked up by Fox?
April 12th, 2007 at 4:50 pmI see our “bigot troll” is on board….freeze ‘em out. The people have handily told Don Imus to “kiss their collective asses!” on this one.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:50 pmthe loss of freedom of speech is a loss for everyone……ON/Off switch, simple.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:50 pmI guess Al Sharpton will have to cancel his hate rally in New York this weekend now.
Or did they want to get Imus exiled from the country too?
April 12th, 2007 at 4:50 pmgood
April 12th, 2007 at 4:50 pmImus was just a convenient distraction and the object of the level of anger of the american people. The people will begin to take this anger to an even more appropriate level soon and direct it where it rightfully belongs.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:51 pmWell if I was Imus I wouldn’t meet with the Rutgers team.
Id’ tell them to kiss my ass, along with Al Sharpton, Donna Brazille and the rest of the hate mongerers out there who invent racism where none is there.
Its reverse racism, and it makes me wanna puke.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
Huh? Imus makes a racist remark and then tries to justify it, yet it’s someone else’s fault?
Wow. Interesting take on it.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:51 pmSince Don Imus is a known Republican, he was made the example of a new level of comportment that is “anti republican establishment”…amen and hallelujah!
April 12th, 2007 at 4:51 pmWorfeus, you sir, are a nappy headed ho.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:52 pmgo f*ck yourself
Is civility in the public square trying to make a comeback?
If so, Imus really should only be the beginning.
Comment by s — April 12, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
He WAS being civil.
He was trying to pay the team a compliment. It went wrong. He tried to get familiar and it didn’t come out right.
Which part of that is so elusive to you people?
April 12th, 2007 at 4:52 pmMakes me want to puke too. I fully expect that now everyone will be held to these standards, including any and all hip hop artists as well as filmakers. WTF!
April 12th, 2007 at 4:52 pm#14 I say 1 month. Are we starting a pool? I’ll put 10 on this
April 12th, 2007 at 4:53 pm#20 All trolls use DARVO – Deny, Attach, and Reverse Victim and Offender….just like Don Imus tried to do when he kept dribbling his ooze out of his toxic trashmouth. It no longer works because the people will not tolerate this tactic. It was a brainchild of Rovereich and amazingly is still used to this day by the GOP and their talking points. Do they not get it that people are onto them? What fools, indeed.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:53 pmFYI: “nappy-headed hos” is racist.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:53 pmHuh? Imus makes a racist remark and then tries to justify it, yet it’s someone else’s fault?
Wow. Interesting take on it.
Comment by bobcat_grad — April 12, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
Don’t put words in my mouth genius.
I didn’t say anything of the sort to imply it was “their fault for what Imus said”.
You wanna make a point then make a point but don’t put words in my mouth.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:53 pmThe firing of Don Imus = Movement of Anger By the Critical Mass
The new level of consciousness of this critical mass of americans will produce a wave of demand for accountability and justice like never seen before.
Truth shall prevail and impeachment now will come.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:54 pm#11 oh you poor white man, so repressed by all the darkies… just can’t catch a break can you… jackass
April 12th, 2007 at 4:55 pmFreedom of speech does not mean freedom to broadcast (unless you own the station and the license). Nice to see some boundaries being redrawn.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:55 pmWaiting for Katie Couric, Brian Williams, Charles Gibson and all the CNN anchors to be fired for a far far worse crime.
All the networks and anchors INTENTIONALLY IGNORED these MAJOR Stories:
* Downing St. Memos…smoking gun proof of the lies that sent us to war. The media had solid evidence of the worst crime in history and chose to ignore it.
* The media ignored the fact that thousands of minorities were scrubbed from the voter rolls in Florida in 2000, leading to victory for Bush.
* The media has never reported how deregulation has allowed them to create a monopoly of every outlet except the internet.
* Media never reported how close of a relationship Bush has with the Bin Ladins.
* Media never reports business stories from the point of labor, only management gets air time.
* Media didn’t bother to report that Habeas Corpus disappeared with the Military Commissions Act.
* Media never reports on Net Neutraility Issues.
* Media hardly ever mentions the Impending danger from our 9 trillion debt.
* Media never reported on the Freedom of Information Act being severely tightened up.
* Media never reported that Bankers LITERALLY wrote the Bankruptcy bill.
* Media never reported that oil industry execs secretly gather to write our energy policy.
*Media never reports on depleted uranium from munitions used in Iraq, which is a war crime.
* Media never reported that Choicepoint has been hired by Gov’t to illegally collect and organize all sorts of personal private data about you.
I repeat…When will ALL the Network anchors be fired??
April 12th, 2007 at 4:55 pmDon Imus – Good riddance to another GOP Trashmouth!
April 12th, 2007 at 4:56 pmWhen will Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly and the other Hatemongers get the axe. Shock-jocks are one thing. but these others pose as though they have journalistic integrity…
April 12th, 2007 at 4:56 pmWorfeus, you sir, are a nappy headed ho.
go f*ck yourself
Comment by ill — April 12, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
Why are you repeating those words?
Don’t you know those words “hurt” the poor little Rutgers basketball team?
Why would you purposely hurt them?
April 12th, 2007 at 4:56 pmPlease stop hurting them.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:56 pmThe new domestic “order” of things is the total and unequivocal rejection and repudiation of the Republican Party and the bigotry for which it stands.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:56 pm#11 oh you poor white man, so repressed by all the darkies
Comment by racial — April 12, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
Why are you using racial slurs?
Are you a racist?
April 12th, 2007 at 4:58 pmlimpball, boortz, beck, coulter, savage…
the hate speech must stop…
April 12th, 2007 at 4:58 pmthe country has to heal and these types use their platform to divide and hate and perpetuate a white supremacy myth…
…
Hip hop artists don’t use the public airwaves directly. If their song is played on air that’s the decision of the individual radio station (which is most likely owned by a right-wing friendly corporation).
April 12th, 2007 at 4:58 pmLarry from C: You betcha! Our complicit, propaganda machine media whores will soon be brought to justice not for what they did report but “for what they failed to report”. It’s called “guilty by omission”.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:58 pmFirst goes Don Imus; next goes the Bush Cabal!
Comment by veritas — April 12, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
We should start writing to the advertisers on Fox News and comment about the racism and sexism that spews out of that station.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:59 pmRidiculous. Imus was dead-wrong in what he said, but in the grand scheme of things, this was relatively minor.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:59 pmI see our “bigot troll†is on board
Comment by veritas — April 12, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
Could you give me a hint which troll you’re referring to.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:00 pmReally, veritas… you’ve GOTTA start taking your meds again… this has nothing to do with the ‘Bush Cabal’.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:00 pmHow about Glen Beck, Anne Coulter and Michael Savage? I think Imus is somewhat tame, compared to the likes of these folks.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:01 pmDon’t put words in my mouth genius.
I didn’t say anything of the sort to imply it was “their fault for what Imus saidâ€.
You wanna make a point then make a point but don’t put words in my mouth.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
Not worth a response.
Dang it.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:01 pmHe WAS being civil.
He was trying to pay the team a compliment. It went wrong. He tried to get familiar and it didn’t come out right.
Which part of that is so elusive to you people?
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
You can beat a dead horse, but you can’t make it run.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:02 pmSo does that mean the individual stations and their program managers (don’t forget the DJ’s) should be fired?
This is a bunch of overblown hype. H*ll, one of the Rutgers players said she’s ’scarred for life’.
Nobody can give you offense, you have to take it.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:03 pm#35/ 36
OMG WORFEUS you’re right! Please fire me from the TP blog!
oh wait… I was just trying to pay you a complement and it just went wrong! Why can’t you understand this concept!!
now bend over and accept the complement
April 12th, 2007 at 5:03 pmWORFEUS is Jake, Patrick1 etc. That should be clear.
Notice the asking of questions? Just ignore it. Trolls don’t ask real questions…they just want you to talk to them. It is WAY PAST time people on TP learned to ingnore trolls, IMO. Thanks s
6 ways trolls hope to disrupt constructive liberal blog discussion:
April 12th, 2007 at 5:04 pm1.Flames_2. Post a comment that is catchy but completely off topic_3. Lie, presenting “facts†that take time to debunk, therefore creating doubt for the moment._4. Create super long posts so scrolling that down to the next post is a chore and disruptive._5. Ask questions ( ala Fox News) in order to draw in other posters – get them engaged with said troll – with no intention of listening to the responses. 6. Just outright denial…..
Not worth a response.
Dang it.
Comment by bobcat_grad — April 12, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
Then why’d you respond?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:04 pmSo what if a putz like Newt Gingrich were to, in the future, propose a bill that defined criticism of the current administration as Hate Speech. This crap is the same thing as ‘family values groups” organizing letter writing campaigns to sponsors in order to ban offensive material on TV and radio. Wake up man! This can be used against you.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:04 pmFYI: “nappy-headed hos†is racist.
Comment by Republicans are the fear and smear party — April 12, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
And sexist!
April 12th, 2007 at 5:04 pmImus had and used his freedom of speech. There is no right for getting away with it afterwards. The consequences of his right to speech are what happened. Next time, he’ll think about what he says. That’s the point of a society… To teach ethical behavior through the application of consequences…
April 12th, 2007 at 5:05 pmMakes me want to puke too. I fully expect that now everyone will be held to these standards, including any and all hip hop artists as well as filmakers. WTF!
Comment by sammythe cat
You’re probably not bright enough, and far to driven by blind ideology, to be able to figure it out. But there is a huge difference between fictional art, and social commentary. There is also context to take into account.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:05 pmHow about Glen Beck, Anne Coulter and Michael Savage? I think Imus is somewhat tame, compared to the likes of these folks.
Comment by JPV — April 12, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
Since my local progressive radio station was bought and brought on the likes of Michael Savage and other conservatives, I occasionally flip over and try to listen for as long as I can just to test myself. My record is 37 seconds before meltdown.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:05 pmThen why’d you respond?
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
Pssst… it’s called an attempt at humor. Try it, sometime. Smiling may help remove that stick.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:07 pm‘Bye Don, won’t say I-mus you.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:08 pmYou can beat a dead horse, but you can’t make it run.
Comment by shane — April 12, 2007 @ 5:02 pm
You’re damn skippy.
And thats why your lies about what Don Imus said will come to light, and you’ll be exposed for the racist bigots you are.
The video tape proves that.
And lots of other people besides me have seen that.
Soon, more and more will come forth in the midst of your shoutdown campaigns and hatemongering.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:08 pmIs SouthPark going to be ran out of America next? How about people making pictures of Mohammed? Imus has every right to talk like he does as long as he doesnt use hate speech and as long as this is America. YOU have every right not to watch MSNBC.
Mob rule is stupid. Sharpton can just keep this up and more and more “blacks rights” will sound more and more like crying wolf … nothing to be taken seriously.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:08 pmI repeat…When will ALL the Network anchors be fired??
Comment by Larry from C — April 12, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
The “anchors” are all “talent” following “scripts.” The days of network anchors writing their stories are long gone.
I didn’t hear you calling for the heads of the Fox News crew, why?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:09 pmWhich part of that is so elusive to you people?
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
Has Jake name-jacked the real Worfeus?
Worfeus is a liberal.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:09 pm#55 you are absolutly correct… and this is what makes the “OMG Hip-hop artist say worse” a completly irrelevant red herring. Its not about the words themselvs, its weather society accepts them and their context. the music industry is so lucrative that we accept damn near anythign from it.
is it right to do so? will the tide shift now. The people must decide.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:09 pmI guess Al Sharpton will have to cancel his hate rally in New York this weekend now.
Why wasn’t Sharpton fired for his Jew remark a while back?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:11 pmYou’re probably not bright enough, and far to driven by blind ideology, to be able to figure it out. But there is a huge difference between fictional art, and social commentary. There is also context to take into account.
Comment by JPV — April 12, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Since I’m not bright enough to figure it out, explian it to me in ten words or less.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:11 pmThere are 2 lies here.
1. That this comment was designed to insult the Rutgers team for losing to Tennessee.
2. That it was racist in its design.
In order for number 2 to work, the activists need number 1 to be accepted first.
So the media claimed Imus was insulting the girls and besmirching their skills.
If they could not get people to accept that, then no one would accept that he meant it in a hurtful and racist way.
They needed number 1 for number 2 to fly.
But a quick review of the video shows that number 1, is a lie, and he was trying to console the players and compliment Tennessee on beating such a ROUGH BUNCH OF GIRLS.
He was also consoling Tennessee in a round about way by saying they were tough and he favored them for the win.
But you won’t admit that, because then you rabid cries of racism lose their credibility.
You need to sell the first lie in order to sell the second.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:11 pmAs Worfeus has pointed out time and again on these discussion threads, please listen to the ENTIRE audio clip to get an idea of the context involved in this JOKE.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:11 pm“the poor little Rutgers basketball team”
classy. again. [sarcasm]
April 12th, 2007 at 5:11 pmWhy are you using racial slurs?
Are you a racist?
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
Why don’t you tell us since you think of yourself as the “expert” on what is racist and what isn’t.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:12 pmI think it’s great. A Progressive fired for a racist comment. Most of them get out of radio because they have such small ratings.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:16 pmHas Jake name-jacked the real Worfeus?
Worfeus is a liberal.
Comment by unbelievable — April 12, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
No, I can assure you its still me. And you know me. We’ve talked on the phone.
I am not defending racist speech and I am not saying those words were ok. I am saying Imus did not mean them as an insult, which is the lie the race activists are spreading.
LISTEN to the tape.
Listen to the ENTIRE tape and see for yourself.
IMUS clearly was trying to pay an offhanded compliment to the Rutgers team by stating they were strong, and ROUGH, and BIG GIRLS, compared to the little Tennessee players who he described in comparison as “Cuteâ€.
He was saying he was amazed that such a hardcore team as Rutgers was defeated by the Tennessee team, and its clear if you just try listening to the tape.
If THATS correct, and it is, then it negates the racial “slur” they are trying to sell. It wasn’t intended to be an insult, and therefore it wasn’t intended to be a racial slur.
He was trying to compliment the girls.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:16 pm#41 Veritas…You understand my post (#32). But I’m not sure others do. So how can I explain it to people participating in this thread? Hmm?
Don Imus’ slur did little concrete damage. At worst feelings are hurt and tempers raised. What Katie Couric, Brian Williams, Charles Gibson and CNN did (intentionally ignore stories detrimental to Bush & Co.) has resulted in the DEATHS of thousands of black and brown skinned people! (and white people too) Which is worse? Hurt feelings (Imus) or Death (Couric, Williams, Gibson, CNN)?
When will we demand that these scumbags leave OUR public airwaves?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:16 pmHow is this a a free speech issue? I will be the first to pick up a rifle and die defending Imus’s right to say whatever. The decision to pay him for his speech is another matter all together.
Free speech != consequenceless speech.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:17 pmThe girls on the Rutgers team were hurt by Imus’s racist and sexist comments and they mentioned it. For those who don’t understand how the girls could be hurt by cheap name-calling, try some empathy for them instead of Imus.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:17 pmYou live long enough everything comes back around. We’ve had 25 years of rich evil white guy world – as I watch them grasp, gasp and try to hold on as their ship sinks, I hope this is their last dance. As the country and the world gets more diverse we may never have to fight them again. I pray.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:18 pmWhy don’t you tell us since you think of yourself as the “expert†on what is racist and what isn’t.
Comment by shane — April 12, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
Sure.
What Michael Richards said was clearly intended to be hurtful and racist.
What Don Imus said was intended to be praising, and not racist.
Do you see the difference?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:18 pmImus is small potatos to the rest of the rightwing hate machine, they should get Rush, Coulter, Hannity, and the rest first.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:19 pmThey spew hate everyday, and they rightwing rethugs thrive on hate.
Why do rethugs hate America anyway?
I’ll just hate them back daily.
How is this a a free speech issue? I will be the first to pick up a rifle and die defending Imus’s right to say whatever. The decision to pay him for his speech is another matter all together.
Free speech != consequenceless speech.
Comment by drtomaso — April 12, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
Who said it was a free speech issue?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:21 pmfreedom of expression, & diversity of opinion, are a hell of alot more important than hurt feelings in the long term.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:22 pmAnd thats why your lies about what Don Imus said will come to light, and you’ll be exposed for the racist bigots you are.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
I’d put my posts from Tuesday up against yours anyday and let people decide who the racist is.
Oh and then you poor baby, crying yesterday about how you were being picked on.
You want to defend racism and bigotry and then when somebody calls you a racist you’re the victim. Poor you.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:22 pmThere’s a big difference between Fox Noise, MSNBC and CBS radio. The first two are Cable Channels, not public airwaves. A person CHOOSES to bring them into their house. CBS radio is the Public Airwaves…therefore it has to submit to “community standards” (which vary tremendously from commmunity to community).
Imus was on both a Pay Channel (MSNBC) and the Public Airwaves CBS. That makes his situation a bit unique.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:23 pmWORFEUS…when was the last time you were praised with cheap-shot, degrading, racist, and sexist remarks? If Imus wanted to compliment them he would have said that they look like a great team. I’ve never heard “nappy-headed hos” used as a compliment, have you?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:23 pmI think the Rutgers basket ball team is tough, a good team, and higly skilled. Do I call them….
(a) a bunch of nappy headed ho’s
(b) a good team with solid skills that probably could have won
Call it like it is. Imus’s speech was poorly chosen, undoubtedly racist, and his employer no longer wishes to broadcast and pay him for airing his views. He has a right to say what he wants- not to be published and paid for it. End of story.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:24 pm“nappy-headed hos” is a “diversity of opinion”? Since when?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:24 pmI think it’s great. A Progressive fired for a racist comment. Most of them get out of radio because they have such small ratings. Comment by Kevin — April 12, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
You think IMUS is a progressive? He’s one of your Right Wing Libertarian dum bass cronies – j*ck*ss.
You’re just completely brain dead – aren’t you – idiot?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:25 pmWell this whole story shows why there is a “left” a “right” and a “center” … because the left and right will do the same stupid shit just against different people and different subjects.
Because of this lie campaign against Imus I will ALWAYS eye anything Sharpton says for now on with a grain of salt until I fact check on the Internet… it makes me wonder how many other things about him I believed is wrong also.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:26 pmdon’t mistake me for a right-winger, but i think this is a bunch of b.s.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:26 pma lifetime of good work and they judge him on a couple of words.
extremely wrong and stupid words, yes.
i think al and jesse are pushing this because of their roles and what they’ve said in the duke case.
are they apologizing to the lacrosse players for that?
i’m left on practically every issue from the environment to bush, but things like the reaction to this is what keeps me from going totally liberal.
Imus is small potatos to the rest of the rightwing hate machine, they should get Rush, Coulter, Hannity, and the rest first.
They spew hate everyday, and they rightwing rethugs thrive on hate.
Why do rethugs hate America anyway?
I’ll just hate them back daily.
Comment by Buck Fush
Imus is from the right? I could have sworn I heard him rail against people in the GOP several times…
April 12th, 2007 at 5:27 pm“nappy-headed hos†is a “diversity of opinion� Since when?
Comment by Republicans are the fear and smear party — April 12, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
Since Kevin came under the delusion that he wasn’t a racist. I guess he thought that his KKK memorabilia collection, and the confederate flags hanging in his house were just his ‘diversity of opinions’ showing.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:27 pmp.s. doesn’t cbs have something to do with producing a lot of rap records?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:27 pmracist and sexist rap records?
#79- see #80, #53, #16 to name but 3.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:29 pmwelcome to the flatlands:
April 12th, 2007 at 5:29 pmRepublicans are the fear and smear party .
Tempest in a teapot. Imus was small beer — off-key broadcast time slot, low ratings, trivial viewer/listenership. All his firing does is give MSNBC and CBS the opportunity to posture — ever-briefly — as sensitive, responsive, whatever. It will have no effect on public discourse, public debate, or the other talking heads on TV or radio. Imus didn’t matter 2 weeks ago, and he doesn’t matter now. But the more his firing is made out to be “significant,” the easier the networks can rest from this day forward. After all, this “proves” that they’re in tune, listening, responding, caring, blah-dee-frickin-blah. Just another Power That Is doling out Victory Gin to the proles — and my, my, aren’t we happy to drink it down?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:29 pm#61 – ggibson wrote:
Is SouthPark going to be ran out of America next? How about people making pictures of Mohammed? Imus has every right to talk like he does as long as he doesnt use hate speech and as long as this is America. YOU have every right not to watch MSNBC.
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
This is what happened. Lot’s of people said to the sponsprs and the net works, “we will exercise our right not to watch/listen to your station. CBS, et al. decided they’d rather have their audience than Don Imus.
I will say though, Imus is a shock jock. You expect a shock jock to say things that shock the conscience. Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, Ann Coulter & Friends, however, are another story, they’re on prime-time network channels. I think it is the right standard (”don’t use the airways to foment racial bigotry and misogyny or any form of hate”) applied to the wrong person.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:29 pmAs a Liberal progressive that believes in free speech I don’t think it is OK to lead media campaigns against people and get them fired for things they say.
expose them, ridicule them, ostracize them, sure,
but left needs to wake up. The tactics MediaMatters, this website, and others endorse for dealing with speech you don’t like is the same the Right uses.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:31 pmNo, I can assure you its still me. And you know me. We’ve talked on the phone.
We did? I just thought we exchanged a few emails after you left TP for Linda’s site…
I am not defending racist speech and I am not saying those words were ok. I am saying Imus did not mean them as an insult, which is the lie the race activists are spreading.
Okay, I get your point. Context. Okay, I understand. But I really think that by now, white men should know better than to go there… No matter how you intend it – the bottom line is that white men shouldn’t think they can ‘joke’ in this manner with people who have been oppressed as they have. He just wasn’t smart about how he did it, and while the consequences might be harsh for a messed up joke, I think it’s a sign of a bigger cultural shift. If you’re going to a sacrifice people to a cause, I’d rather it be a rich guy’s job than boys and girls in Iraq…
Not that Al Sharpton was the one to champion his cause… He is racist himself and has been known to do the very thing he condemns.
IMUS clearly was trying to pay an offhanded compliment to the Rutgers team by stating they were strong, and ROUGH, and BIG GIRLS, compared to the little Tennessee players who he described in comparison as “Cuteâ€.
He still shouldn’t have gone there. It’s a highly sensitive subject and I wouldn’t go there. No way.
If THATS correct, and it is, then it negates the racial “slur†they are trying to sell. It wasn’t intended to be an insult, and therefore it wasn’t intended to be a racial slur.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
I still think it was a slur, even if unintended… He shouldn’t have touched such a politically charged and abrasive subject.
Maybe not a mean person, but certainly, not very aware of how much some words really do hurt people who’ve been oppressed – not just for being black, but for being women.
Sorry, Worfeus, I get what you’re saying, but I just can’t agree that the wrath was either unexpected or unfair. You oppress people for long enough and they are too raw to hear a joke…
April 12th, 2007 at 5:31 pm“I could have sworn I heard him rail against people in the GOP several times…”
he used to have weekly chats with [former rep.] j.d. hayworth and didn’t “rail” against him in the least.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:32 pmWORFEUS lets say for a second that its true, and he WAS making some kind of attempt to complemnet the teams… in what universe do the words “nappy headed hos” = “really tough basketball team”
the fact of the matter is, regardless of his INTENT he siad what he said, and insulted an entire race and gender in the process. Intent isnt important. No one leaves the house and INTENDS to run over some one with their car, but it happens, adn weather you mean to or not , weather you are sorry or not, you are punished for it.
Period. now the degree of that punishment is not up to you or me, its up to CBS and their $$.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:32 pmRight on! ggibson.You said it.#87
April 12th, 2007 at 5:33 pmThis happened after a LONG history of making inappropriate comments, and was LONG overdue. He should have been canned by MSNBC for what he did to Contessa Brewer, an MSNBC employee; McGuirk should have been canned for his Ray Nagin act; he should have been fired for letting that idiot Bo Deitl spew racism on the show; and the list goes on, we’ve all seen it replayed over and over this week. In a 60 minutes interview he admitted he kept McGuirk on the show to for his n-word diatribes. Come on…how can people be excusing this? I agree that Coulter, Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh should be taken to task as well. Funny that the same people who signed petitions to get rid of Coulter are excusing Imus.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:33 pmworfeus… i really can understand what you are saying… i can even agree with the premise that it was not his INTENT to make a racist remark… and it is INTENT that matters most here…
but that doesn’t make imus – and a huge proportion of people – any less a racist… he said it and he thinks it and that’s just the way it is…
we all know someone like that… i had to put up with family members saying similar things – until i pitched a loud, angry fit and set the idjits straight about their own hypocrisy… i didn’t change them – but they don’t talk like that around ME any longer… and hopefully, they think about that whenever another bigotted remark comes to mind…
i do think that imus was used as an example… and i feel bad about that ONLY because he was not using his show as a platform with which to lauch a divisive, racist, bigotted white supremacy ideolgy such as limpball/savage/boortz/coulter/beck/etal…
it’s been going on too long… these types are making people think it’s ok to think and talk and be bigotted hate mongers…
but it’s not ok… and it’s time – past time – to stop it…
April 12th, 2007 at 5:33 pm…
Yeah, and Oprah just said on air that “have you ever been at the party, and seen that white guy–it always that white guy–who is always listening to his own music”…all the while laughing about it. Like white guys can’t dance to rap the same way, so they can be made fun of…
Should she now be fired?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:33 pmWhy wasn’t Sharpton fired for his Jew remark a while back?
Comment by rabidbunny — April 12, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
Because Jews haven’t been oppressed by black Americans, therefore enough Jews weren’t upset by his comments to do anything.
You really have to consider what blacks and women have endured in this country to be able to have the ability to own property, vote and hold the same jobs as white people. We’re still without an ERA or equal pay – and as a woman, you should know better than to support pouring salt in someone’s wounds.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:35 pmnow bend over and accept the complement
Comment by hil — April 12, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
Sure.
Pucker up.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:39 pm“We’re still without an ERA or equal pay – and as a woman, you should know better than to support pouring salt in someone’s wounds.”
not to mention that it took Title IX [in 1972] to fund women’s college sports programs.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:41 pmThis has gone way too far. Once again my wonderful country has lost its Goddamn mind…and I’m ashamed of you all.
This is no better than the Janet Jackson boob incident…and you people are too blind by your self righteousness to even see that.
This is why I’m an independant.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:42 pmWORFEUS…when was the last time you were praised with cheap-shot, degrading, racist, and sexist remarks?
Comment by Republicans are the fear and smear party — April 12, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
The term fat bastard could be seen as degrading to overweight people, right?
Well I’ve got a buddy, who is overweight. I call him a “fat bastard’.
I say, “hey ya big fat bastard”, and he doesn’t get offended.
Why? Because I am trying to be “familiar” and “edgy”. And he knows it.
Don Imus was trying to do the same thing.
And since he didn’t know the Rutgers team and they didn’t know him, it came across poorly.
Which part of that is eluding you?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:43 pmSince “nappy-headed hos” is a compliment, would “focused and professional team” be an insult?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:43 pmIt is issues such as this that point out to me that the extreme left is just as F’d up as the extreme right. Grow up, change the channel, understand what you are watching and listening to, shockjocks shock, comediens offend, tabloid shows are for pinheads, FOX lies, isn’t diversity wonderful.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:43 pmSh*t, half of the comments on this blog, if traced to you, could get YOU fired from a politically correct employer.
Sticks and stones …forget it.
Call it like it is. Imus’s speech was poorly chosen,
Comment by drtomaso — April 12, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
Right.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:44 pmShould she now be fired?
Comment by meh — April 12, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
Find me fifty white guys who are humiliated and offended by that first…
I doubt you will – and that is the difference. No one has oppressed white men in this country, so there are no raw nerves.
When one group has oppressed another for generations, you can’t expect there not to be some fall-out for many more to come. Wounds don’t heal over night, and certainly not while they are still routinely poked at… Women and blacks don’t have the same rights as white men. And until we do – you can’t call us names and expect us to laugh.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:44 pmundoubtedly racist,
Comment by drtomaso — April 12, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
Wrong.
It was clearly intended to be familiar or edgy, but it was not intended to be racist.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:45 pmOh and then you poor baby, crying yesterday about how you were being picked on.
You want to defend racism and bigotry and then when somebody calls you a racist you’re the victim. Poor you.
Comment by shane — April 12, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
I NEVER cry about being picked on bitch.
It is you and those crybabies at Rutgers who is making a national debaucle out of one little off color remark that was intended to praise them.
If they’re this wimpy now, what the hell are they going to do when they get to the major leagues?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:46 pmFinally, we’ve defeated racism.
:rolleyes:
April 12th, 2007 at 5:47 pmWhat Michael Richards said was clearly intended to be hurtful and racist.
What Don Imus said was intended to be praising, and not racist.
Do you see the difference?
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
Michael Richards is an incompetent stand-up comedian who was getting heckled and lost his temper.
How is it worse to say racist things when you have lost your temper than to say them because you think its funny?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:47 pmThis is why I’m an independant.
Comment by JC — April 12, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
Are you black or female – or both?
Then you cannot understand what it’s like. There isn’t a single name you can call a white man that truly offends him if you’re black or female. Not true the other way around.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:47 pmThis is what happened.
Comment by Eskwaya
What happened is Al Sharpton feigned outrage… If he kept his mouth shut the team probably would never of heard of Imus and no one would care.
This whole thing is just as disingenuous as the whole “Kerry disparaged the troops” BS.
The other day Jon Stewart was making fun of that alalalalal sound the arabs like to make when getting riled up… and of coarse it was all in jest and I didnt jump to my feet screaming Mr. Stewart is an Arab hater!!!
April 12th, 2007 at 5:48 pmSince “nappy-headed hos†is a compliment, would “focused and professional team†be an insult?
Comment by And Inbred too stupid to read— April 12, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
I didn’t say nappyheaded hos “IS” a compliment you oxygen deprived automaton.
I said that was his INTENTION.
I am getting sick of idiots who cannot read.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:49 pmsticks and stones may break my bones….. remember that? this is such a non-issue. if you are offended, you just maybe a “NAPPY HEADED HO”!
April 12th, 2007 at 5:49 pmWORFEUS…now I see why you don’t get it. Your analogy concerns your friend who probably calls you names, too, so neither of you gets offended. Imus was not friends with any of the women on the team that I know of and I commend these women for not coming down to his level and calling him names.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:50 pm#103- If her employer doesnt like what she said and/or the volume of complaints and loss of revenue tied to it, yes, she should be fired.
My guess: it wont come to that. Probably has something to do with the fact that “white guys cant dance” is no where close to as offensive as “nappy headed hos”.
As a non-dancing white guy, I cant say I am that offended that Oprah thinks I cant dance. I think shes a gullible new-ager, so we’re even.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:50 pmOur Country is a circus run by selfish, politically correct morons.
Watch what ya say!!… Soon we’ll be arrested for saying Anything that offends Any entitlement frenzied jerkoff group that hangs an oppression sign out.
How the hell does this bring the races closer together?
How does a bad joke by a Guy who spends most of his time bringing joy to sick children and raising money for charity turn him into a racist who must somehow be punished by those who have not right to.
This just took us white folks just a few more steps away from getting a better understanding of the “black experience” or whatever you want to call it.
Call me a racist and I’ll wear it moniker like a medal. This crap is not about racial equality and certainily not racial harmony. This is about hitting people over the head with a shovel for not towing the line.
I understand Imus takes his extremely large salary and donates it to charity as he doesn’t need it anymore.
How bout that AL?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:51 pmin what universe do the words “nappy headed hos†= “really tough basketball teamâ€
Comment by hil
The same black community that Bill Cosby was speaking out against… The same hip hop culture that has been sold as the new “cool” in America… ever see white guys going around blaring rap music and with fake bullet hole stickers on their SUVs? Are they being racist?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:51 pmworfeus… i really can understand what you are saying… i can even agree with the premise that it was not his INTENT to make a racist remark… and it is INTENT that matters most here…
but that doesn’t make imus – and a huge proportion of people – any less a racist…
Comment by katy — April 12, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
It MOST CERTAINLY DOES.
If I hit run you over with my car and kill you, chances are I am going to be in SOME kind of trouble.
But the KIND of trouble I will be in will depend on my INTENT.
If I MEANT to hurt you, then I am a murderer.
If I didn’t mean to kill you, then I am just a very poor driver.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:52 pmFunny that the same people who signed petitions to get rid of Coulter are excusing Imus.
Comment by Candyce
Coulter was dead serious.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:53 pmFor future reference:
If you are a white man, do not try to joke with blacks or women with any derogatory term. We won’t find it funny. And even though you do not understand why we don’t see insults as humor – know that you should not go there, and if you do – this is the consequences. It’s not a threat, it’s just a basic fact that we still are second class citizens in our own country to a lot of you, and that in itself is more than we should have to tolerate already.
We don’t find it funny to be insulted by you. Sorry if you don’t like it, but I bet I like being paid less for doing a better job even more…
April 12th, 2007 at 5:53 pmWORFEUS lets say for a second that its true, and he WAS making some kind of attempt to complemnet the teams… in what universe do the words “nappy headed hos†= “really tough basketball teamâ€
Comment by hil — April 12, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
They DON”T genius.
And I never said they did.
If you want to be mad at him cause he USED bad language, then fine.
But this Al Sharpton self righteous freedom crusade to lable the comments as PURPOSEFULLY HURTFULL and OF RACIST INTENT is a LIE.
A BIG FAT LIE.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:54 pm#21
It’s kinda hard for Imus to be considered a Republican considering he supported and voted for Kerry in 2004! LOL!
April 12th, 2007 at 5:55 pmFor future reference:
If you are a white man, do not try to joke with blacks or women with any derogatory term. We won’t find it funny.
Comment by unbelievable — April 12, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
EXACTLY.
And I said the same thing in the IFIL thread TWO DAYS AGO.
No one is listening, because everyone is so rabidly worked up into a lynchmob self righteous frenzy.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:56 pm#124.
No that means you are a manslaughterer. You still get to go to jail
April 12th, 2007 at 5:57 pmHow many thread’s is this now, 3, 4,? I forget…
Again I am with you 1 Worfeus…And like I said before I never have been a fan of Imus…This is a dead horse and Sharpten and a few other’s are beating it to death..Well go ahead Al and all..Fact is Worfeus,I and many people of color both on television this morning and one’s I talked to today think the same way….Knowing full well their own have created much of the previous trash talk that Imus and many use all the time..Their opinion’s are the same as mine, that is there need’s to be changes and decency returned to all public outlet’s, standard’s set and many other’s more at fault than Imus need to be bumped from the air way’s..The diffrence being it was a stupid old white man used it on the air way’s as a joke and it was not taken that way..It now is being used as a leverage and he has been shoved off the cliff…
I saw the entire clip, heard all the junk , read all your post’s and frankley I am disturbed many of you are resorting to name calling and flipping shit at one of our own in a manner worse than the Imus slip….
You want freedom of speech.? Ok. me to, do you want limit’s of content and some civility,? great, me to…How about stop using one old fool as the total solution of our countries ill’s…Jesus….What the hell is wrong with just cleaning all of it up, including the Al Sharpton’s and set standard’s.. How about being a little tolerant when it is apparent that some one made a realy dumb mistake, like Imus and bump the realy guilty like limbaugh, coulter, o’lilie and beck…..Perhaps you all should use your rage in an appropiate way, like working to get these war-monging basterd’s out of our administration…Blessings……Sending well wishes to RUCerious today and alway’s
April 12th, 2007 at 5:57 pmThen you cannot understand what it’s like. There isn’t a single name you can call a white man that truly offends him if you’re black or female. Not true the other way around.
Comment by unbelievable
The U.S. Constitution gives NO right to not be offended. OR be offensive… this is Ameirca god damn it… what is wrong with you people?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:57 pmi do think that imus was used as an example… and i feel bad about that ONLY because he was not using his show as a platform with which to lauch a divisive, racist, bigotted white supremacy ideolgy such as limpball/savage/boortz/coulter/beck/etal…
…
Comment by katy — April 12, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
Thats right. Another point I made two days ago.
In accusing racism where it does not exist, we are guilty of obscuring REAL racism while at the same time creating a witch hunt atmosphere which will set race relations back another 5 or 10 years.
Bearing false witness was never a good strategy.
Not for the republicans, and certainly not for us.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:59 pmSo, if you called your mother and said “Mom, I love you so much you slutty b*tch!” how do you think she’d take it?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:59 pmShould she now be fired?
Comment by meh — April 12, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
Yes. She is a pompous arrogant ass. And when her ratings go down, and it’s not feasible to pay her big fat salary because enought people aren’t watching, she’ll be fired for something stupid she says.
It can’t be too soon for me though.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:01 pm#124.
No that means you are a manslaughterer. You still get to go to jail
Comment by Crump’s Brother — April 12, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
Where’d you get your law degree? Matlock reruns?
There are several levels of manslaughter Perry, and if it is determined you did not intend to hurt the person, and if it was an “accident’, then you will most likely recieve INVOLUNTARY manslaugter and recieve no punishment.
Although they might suggest drivers ed.
NEXT
April 12th, 2007 at 6:01 pmEXACTLY.
And I said the same thing in the IFIL thread TWO DAYS AGO.
I’m glad to hear that.
No one is listening, because everyone is so rabidly worked up into a lynchmob self righteous frenzy.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
Welcome to my ‘9/11 Conspiracy’ Hell :D
April 12th, 2007 at 6:02 pmIf I didn’t mean to kill you, then I am just a very poor driver.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
…but, of course, i’m still dead…
and it’s still wrong…
April 12th, 2007 at 6:02 pmHow many thread’s is this now, 3, 4,? I forget…
Again I am with you 1 Worfeus…
Comment by Sharon — April 12, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
Thats right Sharon. And I am once more indebted for your courage to take the unpopular stand. Many who are beating this war drum are just empty vessels who go with whatever the popular rant of the day is. Some are just deluded, and some just do not yet see.
Its the “not yet see” crowd I am hoping to reach.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:05 pmadding to #104
Sharpton fired from what? And nobody GOT Imus fired. Imus said some stupid shit, pissed a whole lot of people off, and the boss fired him for it, cuz it’s bad for business.
Is anyone here really trying to argue that no one was pissed of by Imus’s remarks? [which by the way were not limited to 'nappy-headed hos;' read the transcript (that's just the soundbyte that sums it up best). My guess is 'I Jerkofeus' never even heard the Imus comment or read the transcript, and is just spewing what he heard OF it elsewhere. And probably some of you haven't either and so are a little taken in by the spin. Tisk, Tisk. Do your homework.)
If you think there aren't 10-50,000 people behind Al Sharpton, urging him to use his semi-public-figure position to voice their outrage, you're not being honest with yourself. This bash Sharpton thing is old. Maybe it's because I was just a kind during any Yawana Brawley events, but what I've seen of the actions of Al Sharpton and of the vitriolic criticism, is undeserved and frankly smacks of the "uppity negro" defense [just boils a white man's blood when they get "uppity"]
And while I’m equally sure that a Mr. Sharpton or any of the other vocal Imus critics would be flattered to hear that they are so powerful as to direct the hand of CBS and MSNBC, not one of them, not even Al Sharpton, has that power. CBS did the firing, Imus got himself fired.
Now, I’m sure “I Jerkofeus” and the entire cast of enablers has suffered from CBS’s firing of Dan Rather for accurately reporting that GWBush went AWOL. To parallel, that campaign to see Rather fired was driven by some uppity republicans who had there sensibilities ruffled by the TRUTH. There’s an injustice for you. Sent a chill through the entire media and the message was clear, tread carefully when challenging dear leader.
What is the message coming from Imus’ firing to which you so strenuously object? Don’t use slurs that degrade and demean other human beings when “paying a compliment” (I’ll let you have that much) while broadcasting on the public airwaves? Let’s all protest the firing of Imus. Forget Dan Rather.
Or, How’s this: Imus serves at the pleasure of the President (of CBS). So what’s the big deal?
April 12th, 2007 at 6:06 pmPeriod. now the degree of that punishment is not up to you or me, its up to CBS and their $$.
Comment by hil — April 12, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
And it is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. CBS doesn’t care about racist comments. If Imus had good enough ratings and could withstand a minor boycott by advertisers because others would step up to the plate he’d be coming back in two weeks.
Talent loses their jobs every day without saying something stupid only because they don’t make enough to make it worthwhile for the network or station to keep them there.
Television and radio is all show BUSINESS and like every other business all that matters is the bottom line. Anybody who thinks that Jackson and Sharpton have enough clout to hurt a ratings winner is naive.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:06 pm#133-
The constitution neither guarantees you get to keep your job when you do things that cost your employer money.
No one is talking about locking Imus up- the thought police arent issuing an APB. He’s still as free as he was yesterday. He just isnt getting paid by CBS to air his unpopular views on radio and television and in the process cost them money. If he desires to, he can buy his own radio station and continue to say unintentional yet inappropriate things to his heart’s content.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:07 pmWORFEUS…you have called so many people on this thread, including me, childish names that it’s unbelievable…but I know your intention was to compliment us.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:08 pm…but, of course, i’m still dead…
and it’s still wrong…
Comment by katy — April 12, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
Show me where I said it wasn’t.
Show me ONE PLACE where I said it wasn’t.
But it is NOT as serious. I would NOT go to jail if its shown to be an accident, and I would NOT be accused of MURDER over this event.
A bad driver maybe, but NOT a murderer.
You are accusing Imus of RACISM, where RACIST intent was not present.
It is the same of accusing a negligent driver of murder.
It is wrong.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:08 pmWelcome to my ‘9/11 Conspiracy’ Hell :D
Comment by unbelievable
One is a mob using baseless declarations of “offense” to make a point…
In the other scientific knowledge, engineering, and history is being applied…
two totally different situations.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:09 pmI’m sure Imus can find another job…like writing “jokes” for Michael Richards.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:11 pmWORFEUS…you have called so many people on this thread, including me, childish names that it’s unbelievable…but I know your intention was to compliment us.
Comment by Republicans are the fear and smear party — April 12, 2007
No.
Those were intended as insults.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:12 pmAnd by the way skippy, I didn;’t start with the insults until I was attacked with a barrage of them.
If you can’t take it, then don’t serve it up.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:12 pmYou arent really comparing killing people in an act of vehicular manslaughter and offending them by making inappropriate remarks, are you?
One is a crime- intent matters as a fact of law. One is not- what difference does intent make? He still goofed up at work and lost his employer a boat load of money. They shake hands, part company, and he has the ardous task of explaining in his next job interview that he’s learned his lesson.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:15 pm“I JERKOFEUS” certainly has a lot of time on his hands to play concern troll.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:15 pmI’ve got a message for you: Your momma’s a nappy-headed ho! And I mean that as a compliment :)
WORFEUS…you are a sexist, racist pig…and I mean that as a compliment to your strength.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:15 pmComment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
Excuse me but you were talking to Zooey and trueblue about how you were being ganged up on.
Why don’t you ask your friend how much he “likes” being called “fat bastard”. Just because you think calling people names is fun or cute doesn’t mean the other person appreciates the gesture. I don’t know too many fat people who’d LIKE being called fat.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:15 pmThe constitution neither guarantees you get to keep your job when you do things that cost your employer money.
Comment by drtomaso
The U.S. Constitution IS supposed to protect against mob rule. I would LOVE to see this taken to court where the tape would be played over and over for everyone to hear and for every last part of the comments broken out.
Oh my god! I am offended by gangsta rappers and their HOs trying to teach my daughter it is ok to be a prostitute like all those in that black community. I simply turned the channel and bared my daughter from watching or buying their “music”… but I guess I should have been trying to get their careers taken away instead. I see how it works. So the next time the rightwingers are doing the same mob rule BS NONE OF YOU CAN SAY A DAMN THING ABOUT IT.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:16 pm…but, of course, i’m still dead…
and it’s still wrong…
Comment by katy
Just because you were dead doesnt make it “wrong” there is something called “shit happens” and it happens to good people for no apparent reason that is totally by accident and warrents NO law suits or punishment.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:17 pmDon’t use slurs that degrade and demean other human beings when “paying a compliment†(I’ll let you have that much)
Comment by Eskwaya — April 12, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
You’re not letting me have anything.
If you want to acknowledge a fact, thats your decision.
Personally I could care less if you wallow in lies for the rest of your life, but it doesn’t change the facts.
You know. Facts.
Something absent from this mass hysteria to try and destroy the life of one man, and forever blacklist him as racist.
It is a smear and fear campaign worthy of the GOP.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:17 pmOne is a mob using baseless declarations of “offense†to make a point…
Your definition. It’s all you know because you do not understand that racial and gender epithets are offensive regardless of intent.
In the other scientific knowledge, engineering, and history is being applied…
Says someone who is not an engineer or architect to someone who is. And who now teaches the subject.
That theory is irrational and not based on any of the above because the twin towers were structurally unique from all other buildings. The fact that one was hit first but fell second because it was hit higher up is proof that the planes were enough to collapse them and there were no explosives. But you have no basis for your opinions, so insult me…
two totally different situations.
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
The frustration level is the same… But you clearly know it all, so good for you…
April 12th, 2007 at 6:18 pmExcuse me but you were talking to Zooey and trueblue about how you were being ganged up on.
Comment by shamed — April 12, 2007 @ 6:15
Thats right jackass. The key phrase there being “talking to Zooey and Trueblue”.
Not you.
I was joking with them numbskull.
But you couldn’t know that, could you? Because I wasn’t talking to you.
Next time mind your own business and you won’t make these little blunders.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:20 pmYou arent really comparing killing people in an act of vehicular manslaughter and offending them by making inappropriate remarks, are you?
Comment by drtomaso — April 12, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
No sparky, I am explaining the apparently obscure concept of INTENT.
Obviously over your pay grade.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:21 pmIt’s kinda hard for Imus to be considered a Republican considering he supported and voted for Kerry in 2004! LOL!
Comment by Tracy — April 12, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
Really, I thought votes were private. You have a record of who he voted for? I guess you are part of the Bush Cabal.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:23 pmSomething absent from this mass hysteria to try and destroy the life of one man, and forever blacklist him as racist.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
There will be a sympathetic supporter in a position to hire him and his phone will be ringing the first of next week. He’s not been damaged in the grand scheme of things because we know that any publicity is good publicity with entertainers, and teh more drama you have around you, the more interesting you become…
However, one or two of those young girls, or other young black girls who heard the comment, may have long term esteem issues because of his comments – and that’s where I think the real damage occurred… I’ve known too many black women who believed the stero-type about them because there wasn’t anyone countering it.
Maybe Imus got more than he should have – but when people are pushed into a corner – they will eventually bite too…
April 12th, 2007 at 6:25 pmLord help me cleanse myself from this bulls**t with an ode to Don Imus:
With Apologies to Jesse Jackson
Randy:
Words with venom
words that bind
words used like weapons to cloud my mind.
Im a person, i’m a man
But no matter how hard i try
People just say hey, there goes that nigger guy!
Everywhere i go it’s always the same
I can’t get away from that terrible name
Hey nigger guy, nigger guy, nigger guy.
STOP!
Now go, call me nigger guy
fill me with your hate
try to bring me down
Oo ah, you’re to late.
Someone just beat you to it.
But my dream will not die.
To be thought of as more, than just,
nigger guy.
Respect.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:25 pmOh my god! I am offended by gangsta rappers and their HOs trying to teach my daughter it is ok to be a prostitute like all those in that black community.
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
Why do you have gansta rappers teaching your daughter?
April 12th, 2007 at 6:26 pmReally, I thought votes were private. You have a record of who he voted for? I guess you are part of the Bush Cabal.
Comment by shane — April 12, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
The mistake you made there is “you thought”.
You know you shouldn’t cause it gives you headaces.
Imus had a radio show nimrod. He supported Kerry on the air.
:|
Are you sure we can’t convince you to switch sides?
April 12th, 2007 at 6:27 pmFrom an African-American man – posted on his blog 3/24/07
http://www.matchdoctor.com/profile_Guerrero.html
http://www.matchdoctor.com/blog_43569/Hi_Nigger_Guy_-_Yep_I_said_it_again.html
This is probably going to be the most unpolitically correct piece of blog I’ve ever written. There is no disclaimer… those that know me know my words.
1. So let Guerrero get this straight … niggers think it’s ok for ONLY blacks to call each other nigga/nigger … and anyone else that does it is racist? From this point on, I’m going to use the word nigg, b/c regardless of the ending, it means the same to me. Anyway… in my own humble opinion anytime a black person uses the word nigg … they are no better than their light skinned counterparts that chooses to use it. In fact, it’s beyond disrespectful to themselves, and their ancestors.
2. I remember a time when EVERY one thought it was a bad thing for someone to be called that. These niggs are sooooo ignorant. If you don’t want other people to use the word, then do NOT smile and call yourselves the word. Simple. Everytime they use the word in a “positive” way they are shittin’ on their ancestors that were called it every f***in’ day of their lives in a derrogatory way.
3. Another thing about THESE types of niggs I can’t stand …. if you’re going to bitch about the country, and the way things are run…. get your lazy asses up and vote. Take your grubby little bodies down to the voting booths and make a difference. With all the people in this country, am I the only one surprised that Bush won the election. If EVERY one voted that was eligible or supposed to vote, Bush would’ve never been president. On that same note, this leads me to….
4. If you’re going to bitch and complain about your ancestors going through slavery, and how the white man owes you something… I want you to do several things: (a) Find a native american indian and complain to them about how bad your people have it (b) If you’re so hell bent on getting what you’re owed from the white man… then get an education, vote in elections, make a difference in your community. — if you don’t vote, you’re shitting on the entire civil rights acts that were led by Harriet Tubman, MLK, Malcolm X, Rosa Parks, Thurgood, etc… Go ahead, where your “X” shirts, but if you’re not studying the past and making the future a better place, all you’re doing is fabricating and pissin’ on your ancestors legacies.
5. The only thing that you niggs are owed is a swift kick in the ass. If our ancestors saw the way you glorify being called niggs, and what rap music has become, they’d roll over in their graves just so they wouldn’t have to face the world.
——–
In closing I just wanted to say, I am not a racist person… I’m not politically correct. I’m honest. The only reason blacks/niggs have a negative stereotype, is b/c they keep perpetuating it, and it keeps getting recycled and blown up by the media. If there were more blacks in classrooms with college degrees etc …. instead of on street corners or fast food places… none of these niggs would be bitchin’ about how rough they have it. — I’m sick of busting my ass in college and working, and paying bills somewhat on time (i’m human lol) … while these leeches are sitting back collecting unemployment checks while living in section 8 housing. It’s bullshit.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:28 pmGood for ggibson and I WORFEUS ,and a couple of others, who get it. You are indeed progressive and non-reactive.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:30 pmWhy do you have gansta rappers teaching your daughter?
Comment by Nat — April 12, 2007 @ 6:26 pm
Touche!
April 12th, 2007 at 6:30 pmCan’t we all just get along? :-}
April 12th, 2007 at 6:30 pmMaybe Imus got more than he should have – but when people are pushed into a corner – they will eventually bite too…
Comment by unbelievable — April 12, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
Its not a matter of Imus getting more than he deserved UnB.
Its about the TRUTH.
And the TRUTH is his comments were never intended to insult, and therefore cannot be construed to have been intended as racial slurs.
He chose the WRONG words, and if CBS wants to punish fire him thats their business. They are spineless, but its their business.
But to label this as RACISM is to do an injustice to real racism everywhere, and it is a LIE.
And I hate LIES.
Particulary publicly accepted lies.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:31 pmWhy, Jerkofeus, I thought you wanted to “reach” me?
No one wants to spend all day unpacking your delusions, I Jerkofeus. But why don’t you stop talking out of your ass about “intent” and square your bullshit with a definition:
What is involuntary manslaughter?
Involuntary manslaughter generally occurs in only two cases. The first is when someone is killed due to criminal negligence, and the second is when someone is killed during the commission of another crime, where the intent was not to cause bodily injury or death. (This is often called “misdemeanor manslaughter”.)
And explain why you say that without intent, “there is no penalty”.
Nevermind that your whole line of reasoning is worthless, support it if you think it has a leg to stand on.
I liked the Matlock jab you threw. But, if you’re a lawyer, you should be disbarred. I’m sure you not. ‘ Just someone who watches a lot of Law & Order (’cause Matlock’s no longer airing).
April 12th, 2007 at 6:33 pmWhat does intent matter? His choice of words was racist and sexist.
“She aced her SATs? Wow- shes one smart nappy headed ho!”
“She won the lottery and donated it to charity? What a benevolent nappy headed ho!”
“She gave the old guy cpr by herself for how long? What a good samaritan that nappy headed ho is.”
The context doesnt change the fact that “nappy headed ho” is racist, sexist, and inappropriate, unless we are litterally talking about a prostitute that has refrained from showering. His employer agreed, and decided they didnt want him representing their company in public any more.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:33 pmThis is retarded. Honestly, this is like a bad joke.. the world is being destroyed and here people are freaking out about some old white guy using terms that hip hop artists use just as publicly all the time. Not only is this distracting from REAL news, like the missing emails, but it takes the heat off REAL bigots like limbaugh. Honestly, the black movement used to be pretty commendable in the past few decades but its become a joke.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:34 pmCan’t we all just get along? :-}
Comment by Zooey — April 12, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
Sorry Zooey, you know me. I’ve adopted this issue because not enough good people are standing up and doing it themselves.
Its like a national hysteria and everyone is embracing a lie.
This is not my “opinion” either. It is clear from the viewing of the video tape what he was trying to say. Problem is everyone wants to ascribe THEIR meaning to HIS words.
Its wrong. And if I alienate so called “liberals” in here then fine. They are too rabid to read my words and instead want to attack me, thats fine.
I can take it.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:34 pmJust because you were dead doesnt make it “wrong†…
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
wow… …
April 12th, 2007 at 6:34 pm…
Your definition. It’s all you know because you do not understand that racial and gender epithets are offensive regardless of intent.
Comment by unbelievable
I watch South Park BECAUSE it is offensive… I like how they dont pull any punches and politically correct BS is no where to be seen.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:34 pmIn fact I welcome it.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:35 pmTo parallel, that campaign to see Rather fired was driven by some uppity republicans who had there sensibilities ruffled by the TRUTH.
Or, How’s this: Imus serves at the pleasure of the President (of CBS). So what’s the big deal?
Comment by Eskwaya — April 12, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
AMEN
And there is no more ruthless business than show business. Did Rather get as much protection as Imus is getting. He lost a way “bigger” job than Imus did.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:35 pm“Obviously over your pay grade.”
I have not insulted you- please refrain from doing so to me.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:35 pmWhy, Jerkofeus, I thought you wanted to “reach†me?
Comment by Eskwaya — April 12, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
With a lance maybe.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:37 pmAnd the TRUTH is his comments were never intended to insult, and therefore cannot be construed to have been intended as racial slurs.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
I agree with I WORFEUS. A white man calling black women “nappy-headed hoes” is not a racial slur and how dare you people take it as such.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:38 pmAnd I hate LIES.
Particulary publicly accepted lies.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
and now i am even more confused by your stance…
this is too depressing… i’m outta here…
mom’s weekend at college starts tomorrow… i need to get into a WAY’nother frame of mind…
see ya’s…
April 12th, 2007 at 6:38 pmI have not insulted you- please refrain from doing so to me.
Comment by drtomaso — April 12, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
You insulted me when you twisted my words to fit your meaning.
If you don’t like it then don’t do it.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:38 pmThere will be a sympathetic supporter in a position to hire him and his phone will be ringing the first of next week.
Comment by unbelievable
I guarantee you this. Sharpton and his kind have been harmed by this.
People like me that normally go toe to toe with the right over racism issues and have looked to people like Sharpton as the vanguard agaisnt racism… will now DOUBT what is said about these racism issue… in the back of our minds we will say “hold on!” is this like that Immus thing?
Sharpton just tarnished his name in the eyes of people that normally fight against the right and defend the left. So his supporters just got lower in number. Good job Sharpton…. you just made it harder for me to defend you against REAL racists.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:38 pmWhy do you have gansta rappers teaching your daughter?
Comment by Nat
Because I live in America.
Because I have cable TV.
Because that trash is sold at Best Buy.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:39 pmI watch South Park BECAUSE it is offensive… I like how they dont pull any punches and politically correct BS is no where to be seen.
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
I also watch South Park.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:41 pmHowever, one or two of those young girls, or other young black girls who heard the comment, may have long term esteem issues because of his comments – and that’s where I think the real damage occurred…
Comment by unbelievable — April 12, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
Oh give me a break.
Do you honestly think that any of those girls LISTENS to Don IMUS?
Do you honestly think if rabid racial activists witchhunters hadn’t RUSHED to them to tell them they would have even known?
And WHAT pray tell makes these girls so sensitive that a name, that wasn’t intended to hurt them, spoken by a disc jockey they or their friends probably have never listened to, (hint, thats not racial, Imus is popular with an older crowd) , that this name somehow has “damaged” them?
Lets see.
They lost a game and got called a name.
And the name was supposed to be a compliment and it came out wrong.
And they’re devastated?
:|
God help them in the major’s.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:42 pmno oppressed white folk?
tell that to the Irish.
and besides, the point is stereotypes are bad, right? So don’t go defending a black woman when she makes generalizations of any kind about white men.
Did she mean ill? Probably not, but again, just don’t go there. Period.
Anything else is hypocrisy!
April 12th, 2007 at 6:42 pm“The U.S. Constitution IS supposed to protect against mob rule. ”
When did consumers voting with their wallets become “mob rule?”
April 12th, 2007 at 6:43 pmAnd there is no more ruthless business than show business. Did Rather get as much protection as Imus is getting. He lost a way “bigger†job than Imus did.
Comment by shane
Yes I think he did. Right here on this site.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:43 pmI have not insulted you period. If the only way you can win this argument is to demean my intelligence, I hearby declare victory.
Can I get someone out there to second my motion?
April 12th, 2007 at 6:44 pmYou’re next, Beck!!!
April 12th, 2007 at 6:45 pmHow many weeks before Imus is given a new contract with satellite radio?
April 12th, 2007 at 6:46 pmBecause I live in America.
Because I have cable TV.
Because that trash is sold at Best Buy.
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 6:39 pm
So that’s why you let the gangsta rappers raise her?
April 12th, 2007 at 6:46 pmWORFEUS…full of empathy…for Imus.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:47 pmIn fact South Park made fun of Al Gore in one of their shows and I want Al Gore to be president… but I LAUGHED right through it … because I dont get the vapors and get offended by what Americas freedoms allow to happen…
April 12th, 2007 at 6:47 pmYou guys know what the captian of the Rutgers team probably said when some foaming at the mouth friend ran up to her and exclaimed “Don Imus called you nappyheaded hos” ?
“Who’s Don Imus?”
:|
April 12th, 2007 at 6:47 pmSomewhere, Bill and Hillary Clinton are smiling. One of the most disgraceful things I have ever witnessed was Imus unleashing an expletive-laced series of groaners which were supposed to be jokes about oral sex and getting laid right in front of Hillary Clinton. I thought the guy was the biggest a-hole I’d ever seen. He has no class, no decency and he’s a dumbass to boot. He got EXACTLY what he deserved which was to be run out of the building.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:47 pmCan I get someone out there to second my motion?
Comment by drtomaso — April 12, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
I’ll second it if it means you’ll quit pestering me.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:48 pmNext time mind your own business and you won’t make these little blunders.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
But you did it here on a PUBLIC thread and I didn’t embarass you by posting something then did I. But after all the mud you were slinging on the Ifill thread you felt put opon. Please, keep rewriting history.
Here’s the point Einstein, anybody who looks at at talented, intelligent woman’s basketball team and thinkis he can compliment them by calling them “nappy-headed hos” is a racist. That’s what racist means, that you see somebody different and can only think about the differences. And you don’t know any better than to not make ignorant comments. It doesn’t mean you have to have malicious intent.
Anybody who’s lucky enough to make millions of dollars a year for talking a couple of hours each day ought to be thanking his lucky ass every minute of the day and figure out what’s appropriate and what’s not. And I don’t think he should be fired for saying something stupid. I think like everybody else in the industry he should only be fired if he’s not making enough money for his bosses. Obviously he wasn’t.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:48 pm“The U.S. Constitution IS supposed to protect against mob rule. â€
When did consumers voting with their wallets become “mob rule?â€
Comment by drtomaso
How did consumers wallets have this effect in one weeks time? The free market doesnt work that fast.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:48 pmSo that’s why you let the gangsta rappers raise her?
Comment by Nat
You obviously didnt read my original post… just like a right winger.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:50 pmI can take it.
Comment by I WORFEUS
I know you can, Worf.
I just hate it when the family fights.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:50 pmSharpton just tarnished his name in the eyes of people that normally fight against the right and defend the left.
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
Thats right. A point lost on most in here, including Sharpton, but it is still true.
I have always been somewhat of a fan of Sharpton. I disagree with him sometimes, but I also think he makes great points when he is debating Iraq and such.
But he has lost me here.
He is the racist on this one.
NOT Don Imus.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:50 pmI now have this image of Busta Rhymes running a day care center, and it wont go away.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:50 pmAnd the name was supposed to be a compliment and it came out wrong.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
Again, I agree with I WORFEUS. A white man calling black women “nappy-headed hoes” is actually a compliment.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:52 pmHere’s the point Einstein, anybody who looks at at talented, intelligent woman’s basketball team and thinkis he can compliment them by calling them “nappy-headed hos†is a racist. That’s what racist means,
Comment by shane — April 12, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
Really?
From Websters.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:52 pm
Does that mean I win by forfeiture? I feel cheated of my victory.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:53 pmComment by Tracy — April 12, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
Really, I thought votes were private. You have a record of who he voted for? I guess you are part of the Bush Cabal.
Comment by shane — April 12, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
The mistake you made there is “you thoughtâ€.
You know you shouldn’t cause it gives you headaces.
Imus had a radio show nimrod. He supported Kerry on the air.
:|
Are you sure we can’t convince you to switch sides?
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
And this post wasn’t addressed to you genius so why don’t YOU mind your own business.
My point, not that you’d understand in your dim-witted rage, is that voting is private and nobody knows how another person votes.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:54 pmSomewhere, Bill and Hillary Clinton are smiling. One of the most disgraceful things I have ever witnessed was Imus unleashing an expletive-laced series of groaners which were supposed to be jokes about oral sex and getting laid right in front of Hillary Clinton. I thought the guy was the biggest a-hole I’d ever seen. He has no class, no decency and he’s a dumbass to boot. He got EXACTLY what he deserved which was to be run out of the building.
Comment by Bluedog49
I thought it was funny. Clinton didnt act like a man and tell the Inquisition against him to screw off… INSTEAD he got on TV and embarressed us ALL by LIEING about it on NATIONAL TV… I think he deserves every single time he shows up in Family Guy or South Park or Beavis and ButtHead or whatever being made to look like a sex crazed nut. He earned it.
If Imus pointed it out and Clinton didnt like it then he should have handled the situation differently.
NO ONE is above being called out… no one. ALSO NO ONE deserves to be impeached or fired over minor BS like BJs or shock jock humor gone astray…. save the moral indignation for “slavery” or wars of aggression… other wise you just sound like the boy who cried wolf.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:55 pmAnybody who’s lucky enough to make millions of dollars a year for talking a couple of hours each day ought to be thanking his lucky ass every minute of the day and figure out what’s appropriate and blah blah blah blah blah. .
Comment by shame — April 12, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
You can run your mouth till you’re blue in the face about Imus, and what he should be grateful for ad nauseum.
But you won’t divert me from the facts.
And there is a LIE here. TWO LIES to be precise.
1. The LIE that Imus MEANT to hurt those girls.
2. The LIE that he meant to make a racial slur against them.
It was HERALDED on ALL the NEWS SHOWS and AIRWAVES, and I am here to CHALLENGE that lie.
And not ONE of you has YET in all your vain ramblings, refuted that fact.
Not one.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:56 pmDon’t shed a tear for Mr. Imus. He was earning 10 Million a year, so I’m sure he has enough for a comfortable retirement. I do feel bad for the cancer kids.
As for Sharpton and Jackson. This is also unfortunate, as there are less hipocritical black and woman’s spokespersons out there. The MSM sucks up to them, even though it’s like the pot calling the kettle a nappy-haired ho.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:57 pmYou obviously didnt read my original post… just like a right winger.
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
I said “Why do let gangsta rappers teach her”. You replied “Because I live in America. Because I have cable TV. Because that trash is sold at Best Buy. I retorted “So that’s why you let the gangsta rappers raise her”.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:59 pmOk — STOP!
Everyone — go to a corner.
(Yes. Mom has showed up to break up the fight.
Don’t back-sass me.)
We have members of TP fighting each other, and that’s NOT right.
You can respectfully disagree, but not this down and out brawl.
Worfeus has a point, and has been a fixture here before a lot of you became regulars.
Worfeus, perhaps you’ve become a bit too defensive on this issue?
Both sides:
Listen.
Respect.
Now take 5 please and come back and play nice.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:59 pm–TP Mom
The irony is that Imus only called them derogatory and degrading names because he doesn’t know them…if he did know them as individuals, as hard-working, professional, determined, focused and proud of their team and teammates, it’s doubtful that he would have called them the same names…Hey, maybe Imus is just jealous and it just came out wrong…so that makes it ok!
April 12th, 2007 at 6:59 pmI know you can, Worf.
I just hate it when the family fights.
Comment by Zooey — April 12, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
Well don’t Zooey. Its good for us.
For one thing it shows we are not a mindless group of automatons who goosetep in unison to the party line.
This one is serious to me. I know theres more going on in the world, and there are plenty of other threads dealing with those things.
I have just adopted this issue because it means a lot to me.
I hate racism but what I hate worse is a public LIE that everyone expects me to sign onto.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:59 pmGood job Sharpton…. you just made it harder for me to defend you against REAL racists.
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
Please, spare us the righteous indignation. Who are you kidding?
April 12th, 2007 at 7:00 pmHere’s the point Einstein, anybody who looks at at talented, intelligent woman’s basketball team and thinkis he can compliment them by calling them “nappy-headed hos†is a racist. That’s what racist means,
Comment by shane
So what if he got the “black talk” a little more correct? What if he said “Those sistas are some real bad ass bitches!”
Would he still be a racist? Or is it just that he is white and black people get to have a seperate set of rules from whites… even whites decended from those that DIED in the civil war to free the blacks? Sounds like Sharpton is a bit racist himself to me.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:01 pmAnd by the way, according to Coach Stringer, the girls were NOT overly concerned about this when it first came out, and most did NOT even know who Imus was.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:02 pmRacist:
A person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 6:52 pmracist
rac·ist [ráyssist]
adjective
1. based on racism: based on prejudices and stereotypes related to race
2. prejudiced against other races: prejudiced against all people who belong to other races
April 12th, 2007 at 7:02 pmMicrosoft® Encarta® 2006. © 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Yes I think he did. Right here on this site.
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 6:43 pm
And do you think Imus was doing a noble thing using slurs in the same way Rather was in outing Bush’s military record?
As I said before anybody in show business is damn lucky to be there and should be thanking their lucky ass every minute of the day. And they all know they are one slip-up or one slipped rating away from the unemployment line.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:04 pmJust because you were dead doesnt make it “wrong†…
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
wow… …
…
Comment by katy
Exactly. Wow.
What surprises me is that, you WORFEUS, claim that Imus intention was to compliment a group of athletes. How do you know it? Just because you listen to the tape, you KNOW he intended to make a compliment? The truth is that no one knows, but taken literally, it is an insult. I guess there is a lot of racism in both parts. I agree. But only one part enslaved the other part.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:05 pmComment by Nat
You just qouted my second post not the one you originally responded to… in my original post I CLEARLY said I have to go out of my way to BAN her from that BS… though I cant really enforce it because that trash is everywhere in our society and I am not going to make her stay home under my watchful eye 24 7 until she moves out of my house.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:05 pmCan I get someone out there to second my motion?
Comment by drtomaso — April 12, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
Absolutely.
It is obvious why Worfeus doesn’t have an issue with somebody else using racist slurs.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:06 pmWorfeus, perhaps you’ve become a bit too defensive on this issue?
Comment by trueblue — April 12, 2007 @ 6:59 pm
No. I am NOT defensive on this issue.
I have just been attacked by people and labled racist and I am merely responding in kind.
This is not about my “opinion” and it is not a matter of ego.
Its about a LIE. A LIE I am refuting, and apparently that makes some people think I’m racist.
Well fine.
I am a racist. I am prejudiced against liars.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:06 pmAnd as for our “infighting”.
Its good.
This ain’t Sunday School.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:07 pmWhat if he said “Those sistas are some real bad ass bitches!â€
Comment by ggibson
Thats an insult. Just like American Idol TV show.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:08 pmWho are you kidding?
Comment by shane
No one… the next time one of my fellow Indiana citizens that is a bit racist says something racist and I call him out on it and he says… oh ya you mean like that Imus thing? Then I have to try to defend that or simply say you are right about that one, but not this one… which makes it HARDER for me to defend Sharpton… period.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:08 pmHow did consumers wallets have this effect in one weeks time? The free market doesnt work that fast.
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
Advertisers pay his salary and they pulled their ads.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:09 pmIt was HERALDED on ALL the NEWS SHOWS and AIRWAVES, and I am here to CHALLENGE that lie.
And not ONE of you has YET in all your vain ramblings, refuted that fact.
Not one.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
He complimented the black women when he called them “nappy-headed hoes”. What do you mean by this?
April 12th, 2007 at 7:09 pmAnd do you think Imus was doing a noble thing using slurs in the same way Rather was in outing Bush’s military record?
Comment by shane
He is a comedian and his persona on that show is a grumpy old guy that has nasty stuff to say about just about everybody… like Jon Stewart said comedians have NO need to be noble they are not journalist they are comedians…
April 12th, 2007 at 7:11 pmbut taken literally, it is an insult.
Comment by Juan C
IF taken literally OUT OF CONTEXT then yes… IN context then no. From listening to the WHOLE context it is easy to see.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:12 pmWORFEUS…since there is so much “truth” to your point, could you make it without the name-calling?
April 12th, 2007 at 7:12 pmadjective
1. based on racism: based on prejudices and stereotypes related to race
2. prejudiced against other races: prejudiced against all people who belong to other races
Microsoft® Encarta® 2006. © 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Comment by Nat — April 12, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
I”m sorry gnat.
Was there something about the Webster’s definition I posted that didn’t fit your argument?
The definitions you posted by the way do not paint Imus as racist either.
And if you people are trying to say just USING a racist word makes someone a racist, then most of you must be racists.
Cause you keep repeating the words “nappy headed ho’s” (oops, now I’m racist too) in this blog.
So you’re all racist, right?
April 12th, 2007 at 7:13 pmwhen you’re complete and whole on the inside, you don’t take offense to much.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:13 pmWhat if he said “Those sistas are some real bad ass bitches!â€
Comment by ggibson
Thats an insult. Just like American Idol TV show.
Comment by Juan C
Then when is the WHOLE HIP HOP scene going to be outlawed? Because I JUST copied that phrase from them….
April 12th, 2007 at 7:14 pmAdvertisers pay his salary and they pulled their ads.
Comment by shane
Because of a witch hunt NOT because they lost dollars… not that fast they didnt.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:15 pmI listened to all of Imus’s comment and I still found it offensive…so did the Rutgers team and so did a lot of people who have a heart, soul, and empathy for one another as fellow human beings.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:15 pmSo what if he got the “black talk†a little more correct? What if he said “Those sistas are some real bad ass bitches!â€
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
And what if he told your mother she was one ugly ass bitch who never should have kids because she’s too ugly and obviously too stupid to raise them.
As long as it was in good fun your mother would be fine with it, right.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:16 pmSo what if he got the “black talk†a little more correct? What if he said “Those sistas are some real bad ass bitches!â€
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
Thats what he likely meant to say GG, but because of FCC profanity rules he tried to find a way to say “bad ass bitches” and came up with “nappy headed ho’s”.
These mental midgets know that, but they just want to sound like they just fell out of Rosa Parks handbag.
They’re rabid, and worked up into a frenzy.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:16 pmY’all are still at this? Leave the Warios in here by themselves.
drtornaso is the winner.
But let’s all accept that Don Imus was trying to pay a compliment to the young women-athletes he admires for exhibiting such skill and dedication and honorably represented their school in the women’s basketball championships, by calling them nappy-headed hos.
Racism is something else, like … No, that’s it exactly.
But let’s humor Mssrs. I Worfeus and GGibson. Traditionally, racists believe blacks were less than human, that only whites are human and the rest are less. This was not an individual determination, but true of every member of that race. And so you could say that racsim is reducing a member of a non-white race to less than human, or refusing to grant human status to one who is non-white.
See what Imus did was different. He reduced these young women, not on an individual basis but based upon their membership in a non-white race, to the lowest status that a human woman could hold, that of a prostitute or “ho” in the vernacular, a group who in the eyes of most of the world are worthy of contempt and disrespect without further cause than on their status as prostitutes. And then he added that these weren’t no ordinary hos, in addition to being worthy of the disrespect of all human kind, their hair is dirty and unkept or “nappy” (so you can guess what the rest of them must be like.) But, since he included them in the class of humans, it was not racist, traditionally speaking.
Are you with I Worfeus now?
April 12th, 2007 at 7:16 pmHey, I tried.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:16 pmAs long as it was in good fun your mother would be fine with it, right.
Comment by shane
I couldnt care less. I dont get offended by 2nd grader comments.. in FACT if they are made by an old white guy I would find it pretty funny… just like on SOUTH PARK …
April 12th, 2007 at 7:17 pmYou just qouted my second post not the one you originally responded to… in my original post I CLEARLY said I have to go out of my way to BAN her from that BS… though I cant really enforce it because that trash is everywhere in our society and I am not going to make her stay home under my watchful eye 24 7 until she moves out of my house.
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
This is what you should be doing for anything you think is inappropriate for your child. If you raise your daughter right, even if and when she listens to the music she will understand that she’s neither a hoe or a prostitute.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:18 pmMan, a court jester would have one heck of a time operating under these ‘correct’ conditions. It is the opposites that bring the truth forth, not the homogenous.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:18 pmI listened to all of Imus’s comment and I still found it offensive
Comment by Republicans are the fear and smear party — April 12, 2007
The fact that you find it offensive is fine. But that doesn’t mean it was MEANT as offensive.
And if wasn’t MEANT as offensive, then the team should have accepted his public apology he made the day after it happened and got on with their lives.
But instead, they are pandering to the hatemongering of Al Sharpton, and making a racial issue where one did not exist.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:18 pmgibson: “NO ONE is above being called out… no one.”
George HW Bush carried on a running affair with his aid, Jennifer Connoly for two decades. Nobody dared “call him out.” Ike had a running sexual relationship with his secretary for 15 years. Nobody was despicable enough to “call him out.” When FDR died, nobody “called him out” for dying in the presence of his long-time mistress.
What I object to, and you evidently are not concerned with, is the strange set of rules with which our media treated the Clintons. It was open season on the Clintons for 8 years. I’ve never seen any president subjected to such an onslaught. The fact that Clinton had a “problem” with women shouldn’t have ever even touched our lives. That was his personal life and a product of his own personal demons. The only reason it had anything to do with his governance was that repubs spent the 90’s trying to take him down for anything. And, you sit there an applaud a man who insulted Clinton’s wife to her face in public. What the hell is wrong with you?
Like a good dog, roll over and buy into the whole show hook, line and sinker. Yeah, yeah, ha, ha, ha, Clinton’s a creep.
Here’s what Clinton is: a classic American success story. A poor boy from a disfunctional family on the wrong side of the tracks who rose to the most powerful position on the planet without any help or connections on the basis of his own talent and intellect. We should appreciate a story like that, but sadly, many of us have bought into the media message that he’s just a creep. I think it’s too bad.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:18 pmwhen you’re complete and whole on the inside, you don’t take offense to much.
Comment by light — April 12, 2007 @ 7:13 pm
Amen
April 12th, 2007 at 7:19 pmFrom listening to the WHOLE context it is easy to see.
Comment by ggibson
Im no literature teacher, but IMO thats what literally means. That the context doesnt matter.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:19 pmThen when is the WHOLE HIP HOP scene going to be outlawed? Because I JUST copied that phrase from them….
Comment by ggibson
HIP HOP lyrics, in general, praise violence, capitalism, make demeaning comments about women and stuff like that. I dont agree with them as I dont agree with calling women as hos. But rappers dont have a radio show. They are broadcast by TV and radio companies. It is their responsibility to take care of what they broadcast. The thing is that advertisers are willing to air those lyrics…big time, meanwhile they fire this guy. That tells you a lot about the interests of companies: money.
They’re rabid, and worked up into a frenzy.
Comment by I WORFEUS
When the reichwingers come on here and call the left stalinists… this is what they mean… a mob that punishes people out of a frenzy… which is EXACTLY how stalin rose to power.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:20 pmImus got the Death Sentence for a speeding ticket. Jason Whitlock wrote an excellent commentary in the Kansas City Star.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:20 pmWORFEUS…since there is so much “truth†to your point, could you make it without the name-calling?
Comment by I am of the fear and smear party — April 12, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
I could but its more fun this way.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:20 pmBecause of a witch hunt NOT because they lost dollars… not that fast they didnt.
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
Maybe they didn’t want to be associated with someone who makes racial slurs.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:21 pmHe complimented the black women when he called them “nappy-headed hoesâ€. What do you mean by this?
Comment by Nat — April 12, 2007 @ 7:09 pm
Go back and read. I laid it out in this and the 3 previous threads on the subject.
Catchup.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:21 pmHey, I tried.
Comment by trueblue
And you were good at it. People here seem to be more worried about making their point no matter what, even if this means to insult and demean others, than resorting into a enrichening debate.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:21 pmIf you don’t think calling a scrappy, aggressive team of college women basketball players “nappy hos” is racist, there’s just no hope for you ever understanding thing one about racism in America.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:21 pmMan, a court jester would have one heck of a time operating under these ‘correct’ conditions. It is the opposites that bring the truth forth, not the homogenous.
Comment by dirty hippy — April 12, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
Exactly. Instead of being ashamed of our differences how about embracing them?
Look at Carlos Mencia.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:22 pmThis is what you should be doing for anything you think is inappropriate for your child. If you raise your daughter right, even if and when she listens to the music she will understand that she’s neither a hoe or a prostitute.
Comment by Nat
Then why are middle aged white people driving around in SUVs with fake bullet hole stickers and bass booming rap out the windows? Why do I see white people all over saying things like, “Snap! I am so down with that!”??? Because Hip Hop is the new cool…
and my parenting is fighting a war against 1) TV… 2) Radio… 3) School friends… 4) CDs … 5) Concerts .. 6) the allure of sex ..7) the allure of money … 8) the allure of fame…etc …
Hip Hop got what it wanted… a cultural acceptance… and when even middle aged white people or even old white guys talk that crap then it has made it to the “big time” … so exactly where is the racism? Black people on TV talk this way ALL THE TIME… and so their actions are being adopted by white people… do they want to be accepted or shuned? If someone like Imus tries to immitate them then they have only themselves to blame.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:26 pm“when you’re complete and whole on the inside, you don’t take offense to much,” said the white boy.
“Amen,” said the other white boy.
Here’s a distinctly American social experiment any white boy can try: find 4 african-american men, hopefully friends, and ride around with them on a Saturday night in almost any American city. See what happens. You might be surprised.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:26 pm. He reduced these young women, not on an individual basis but based upon their membership in a non-white race, ?
Comment by Eskwaya — April 12, 2007 @ 7:16 pm
WRONG.
The team was racially diverse, numbskull.
Which negates everything that came after that sentence.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:26 pmWhen the reichwingers come on here and call the left stalinists… this is what they mean… a mob that punishes people out of a frenzy… which is EXACTLY how stalin rose to power.
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
People who don’t want a racist on the air are now Stalinists? You need to tweak your definition of Stalinist.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:27 pmHey, I tried.
Comment by trueblue — April 12, 2007 @ 7:16 pm
Don’t worry True.
The sun will still rise tomorrow.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:29 pmGo back and read. I laid it out in this and the 3 previous threads on the subject.
Catchup.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 7:21 pm
Just post it again. I want to see how a white man calling black women “nappy-headed hoes” is actually a compliment?
April 12th, 2007 at 7:30 pmIf you don’t think calling a scrappy, aggressive team of college women basketball players “nappy hos†is racist, there’s just no hope for you ever understanding thing one about racism in America.
Comment by Bluedog49 — April 12, 2007 @ 7:21 pm
And if you can’t get past your mass rage and hatred over the subject, and looking at the FACTS BEFORE you cry RACIST, then we’ll always have a racial divide and NOTHING will ever change.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:31 pmJust post it again. I want to see how a white man calling black women “nappy-headed hoes†is actually a compliment?
Comment by Nat — April 12, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
Then find your scroll button.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:32 pmComment by Bluedog49
Back when all that was happening to Clinton you may have been watching MSNBC at one point where they had one of their last public call ins. I got on the air. I said the republicans were attemting a coup against Americas democratically elected president… I said that JFK was not impeached because of Marilyn Monroe… I said that someones sex life is none of the busy body republicans business and they are just jelous because they were not getting any and Clinton was.
It is one thing to condemn Clinton for having sex… it is another to be embarressed that he tried to squirrel his way out of it on national TV instead of having the balls to tell the repubs to go screw off. ANY woman would hate it for that to happen to her… because it will be embarressing for people to know … and that is why Bill should have thought about Hillary a bit more when looking at those lips of Monicas…. I dont blame Imus for that … I blame Bill … and so should Hillary.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:33 pmGibson, how is it “Stalinist” to insist that people who are on public airwaves don’t incite hate? The airwaves are public property. If the public feels that what’s coming over the waves is unacceptable, the public is entitled to voice its disapproval. Stalinism is about concentrated power, not people power.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:33 pmOk here gnat.
Since your finger is broken.
There are 2 lies here.
1. That this comment was designed to insult the Rutgers team for losing to Tennessee.
2. That it was racist in its design.
In order for number 2 to work, the activists need number 1 to be accepted first.
So the media claimed Imus was insulting the girls and besmirching their skills.
If they could not get people to accept that, then no one would accept that he meant it in a hurtful and racist way.
They needed number 1 for number 2 to fly.
But a quick review of the video shows that number 1, is a lie, and he was trying to console the players and compliment Tennessee on beating such a ROUGH BUNCH OF GIRLS.
He was also consoling Tennessee in a round about way by saying they were tough and he favored them for the win.
But you won’t admit that, because then you rabid cries of racism lose their credibility.
You need to sell the first lie in order to sell the second.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
April 12th, 2007 at 7:34 pmThat tells you a lot about the interests of companies: money.
Comment by Juan C
The rappers are Americans … and so is Imus… either they ALL GO DOWN… or no one does.
Like the coach of those girls said… “The problem is not black or white… it is GREEN.”
April 12th, 2007 at 7:35 pmHip Hop got what it wanted… a cultural acceptance… and when even middle aged white people or even old white guys talk that crap then it has made it to the “big time†… so exactly where is the racism? Black people on TV talk this way ALL THE TIME… and so their actions are being adopted by white people… do they want to be accepted or shuned? If someone like Imus tries to immitate them then they have only themselves to blame.
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
If you don’t understand why a white man calling black women “nappy-headed hoes” is racist then I can’t help you.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:35 pm‘nappy-headed hos’ is a compliment
April 12th, 2007 at 7:37 pm‘nappy-headed hos’ is a compliment
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- I WORFEUS
Here Gnat.
Here’s an earlier one than that.
Ok, because you are too lazy to read, I will explain BREIFLY.
First.
LISTEN TO THE VIDEO
LISTEN.
Don’t talk.
Listen.
Now.
Do you hear Don Imus saying, “THOSE ARE SOME ROUGH GIRLS�
Did you hear him say they had tattoos?
Did you hear the COMPARISON to the TENNESSEE team, rerferring to them as “CUTE†compared to the big tough Rutgars team?
Did you hear Bernard play off his “ROUGH GIRLS†theme and call them “HARDCORE HO’S†, which then Imus took and mangled and ended up with the nappy headed hoes comment?
Did you hear them compare them to AMAZONS? GRIZZLY’S? The Toronoto RAPTORS?
Did you hear Imus then express his surpise they won, saying “They didn’t want to beat this team†(this was a team you don’t mess with) “but they didâ€.?
Did you hear him say “I don’t know if they wanted to beat RUTGERS, but they did�
Did you hear that?
Or are you just gonna stand there shouting racist all night?
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 1:48 am
April 12th, 2007 at 7:38 pmWorf, you don’t think calling an intelligent group of college girls who happen to be black “nappy-headed hos” is racist, so any argument you might have with me on this is a non-starter. I don’t understand how anyone WOULDN’T see it as racist so that’s where I’m coming from. And, please. “Mass rage???!!” I would characterize my feelings on this matter as slightly interested, but annoyed that it’s getting this much attention. I can’t stand Imus, but that’s just my opinion. When I see him sitting there with his ten-gallon hat and tassled cowboy jacket, I just think, “what a ridiculous poser. Is the sun shining in the studio?”
Imus will be fine. There’s always a supply of mean-spirited, racist a-holes who will support a guy like Imus. I’m sure you’ll be there rooting for him, white boy.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:39 pmIf you don’t think calling a scrappy, aggressive team of college women basketball players “nappy hos†is racist, there’s just no hope for you ever understanding thing one about racism in America.
Comment by Bluedog49
I grew up poor.. very poor. Which meant I lived next to a place affectionately called “black town” here in Kokomo, IN. It is an area where lots of blacks have all moved together for some reason… anyway I went to school with blacks and played with blacks… road bikes around the neighborhood with blacks. Most blacks are not as thin skined as this is… if it wasnt for people like Sharpton which is supposed to be a good leader shouting down Imus then most blacks would simply look at the situation for what it is… but Sharpton is driving a feeding frenzy for some reason.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:39 pmAs long as it was in good fun your mother would be fine with it, right.
Comment by shane
I couldnt care less. I dont get offended by 2nd grader comments.. in FACT if they are made by an old white guy I would find it pretty funny… just like on SOUTH PARK …
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 7:17 pm
I didn’t ask about YOU, I asked how your MOTHER would feel about it. Why don’t you ask her.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:40 pm‘nappy-headed hos’ is a compliment
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- I WORFEUS
Comment by LIAR — April 12, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
You’re a liar.
Go find the post with an actual timestamp where I said that.
Go find ONE post where I said those words.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:40 pmWORFEUS thinks that calling people names is “fun” so no wonder he is defending Imus. You’d make a good replacement for him.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:41 pmPeople who don’t want a racist on the air are now Stalinists? You need to tweak your definition of Stalinist.
Comment by Nat
Considering you are LIEING to make a point that doesnt exist until it froths up into a frenzy then yes.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:42 pmNow I get it. Worf thinks he was COMPLIMENTING the ladies…..
Kind of like how Obama is so “clean” and “well-spoken.” That was also a compliment.
I’d like to compliment the majority of our African-american community on their great rhythm, tap-dancing ability and hoops work. I’m sure any African American on this board will greatly appreciate the compliment.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:44 pmNEWSFLASH: racist and sexist slurs are racist and sexist slurs…SURPRISE!
April 12th, 2007 at 7:45 pmStalinism is about concentrated power, not people power.
Comment by Bluedog49
I didnt say it was stalinism… I said that is how stalin rose to power. A frenzied mob killed the authoritarians out of rage and out of the madness rose Stalin.
That is the connection the reichwingers try to make when calling the left communists….
April 12th, 2007 at 7:45 pmGibson, I like Al Sharpton. He makes white people uncomfortable. I see that as a good thing.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:46 pmBut a quick review of the video shows that number 1, is a lie, and he was trying to console the players and compliment Tennessee on beating such a ROUGH BUNCH OF GIRLS.
He was also consoling Tennessee in a round about way by saying they were tough and he favored them for the win.
But you won’t admit that, because then you rabid cries of racism lose their credibility.
You need to sell the first lie in order to sell the second.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
I have no idea what you’re saying here. The sidekick called them “hardcore hoes” and them Imus said something to the effect of “more like nappy-headed hoes”. They then compared the team to the Raptors and compared them to Grizzlies. As in big, hairy brown animals.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:47 pmI didn’t ask about YOU, I asked how your MOTHER would feel about it. Why don’t you ask her.
Comment by shane
I dont give a rats ass what my reichwinger Jerry Falwell/Rod Parsley mother thinks about anything. I know she would get offended though.. she gets offended at the thought of liberals and Bhuddists to… so what?
April 12th, 2007 at 7:50 pmConsidering you are LIEING to make a point that doesnt exist until it froths up into a frenzy then yes.
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
You’re the one who is a lying to defend a racist.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:50 pmWORFEUS obviously feels uncomfortable talking about racism so he goes into denial.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:51 pmWorf, you don’t think calling an intelligent group of college girls who happen to be black “nappy-headed hos†is racist, so any argument you might have with me on this is a non-starter. I don’t understand how anyone WOULDN’T see it as racist
Comment by Bluedog49 — April 12, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
I am sure.
And thanks for making my point.
You, like most people came into this with “PRECONCEVIED PREJUDICE”.
You have already deciided there is NO context in which that word could be spoken, and therefore ANYONE speaking it must automatically be labeled racist.
You tried, sentenced and hung them before the fact, so you tossed out any judgement skills you might have. You’ve passed judgement without actually doing the judging.
I on the other hand took this like I take everything else. AT FACE VALUE and then I work backwards from there.
I heard the rabid Al Sharpton foaming at the mouth on Hardball, and I saw everyone in here crucifying Imus, but I witheld judgement UNTIL i listened to the tape, and heard the CONTEXT in which the words were spoken.
I then quickly saw he was trying to pay a compliment to the Tennessee team AND the Rutgers team, by overemphasizing the Rutgers players physical prowess and stature.
He wanted to say something shocking like “hardcore bitches” but because of FCC profantity rules he ended up with the nappyheaded hos comment.
Either way it was designed to be endearing, and familiar and sound streety and urban, and instead came out “sounding” racist.
But the intent which everyone is attributing to him was not there. They said he was insulting the team, and they lied. He was praising both teams. He just did it poorly.
Be mad at him for that, but accusing him of racism is bigotry and stupidty.
People like Sharpto
April 12th, 2007 at 7:51 pmWORFEUS thinks that calling people names is “fun†so no wonder he is defending Imus. You’d make a good replacement for him.
Comment by Republicans are the fear and smear party
So you are saying that the right is correct about you? You are all a bunch of pussies? How do you make it through the day when people like Jon Stewart and Colbert and Bill Maher are on TV?
April 12th, 2007 at 7:52 pmI didn’t ask about YOU, I asked how your MOTHER would feel about it. Why don’t you ask her.
Comment by shamed — April 12, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
We’d rather ask yours.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:53 pmif it wasnt for people like Sharpton which is supposed to be a good leader shouting down Imus then most blacks would simply look at the situation for what it is… but Sharpton is driving a feeding frenzy for some reason.
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
He helped get a racist off the air.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:53 pmDon Imus fired? Another liberal off the air. LOL. Let me guess, he’ll be replaced by yet another Rush replay or more of the Sean Hannity show?
April 12th, 2007 at 7:54 pmNat: “I have no idea what you’re saying here.”
Join the club. “Nappy-headed hos” is a compliment???!!! How can a thoughtful person argue with something like that?
How about this: Ha, ha, ha, the Rutgers Chess club are tough. Good with numbers! Tough negotiators! Those kinky-haired kykes can really play!
Does anyone hear think that Jewish people would not be insulted by such a “compliment?”
April 12th, 2007 at 7:55 pmGibson, I like Al Sharpton. He makes white people uncomfortable. I see that as a good thing.
Comment by Bluedog49
All white people? That is not a good thing… that is racism.
If he cant be reasonable then I dont support him even if I morally must support his cause.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:55 pmWORFEUS you are a racist, sexist pig…and I mean that as a compliment to your strength.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:55 pmSo you are saying that the right is correct about you? You are all a bunch of pussies? How do you make it through the day when people like Jon Stewart and Colbert and Bill Maher are on TV?
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 7:52 pm
Why are you going out of your way to defend a racist?
April 12th, 2007 at 7:56 pmThey then compared the team to the Raptors and compared them to Grizzlies. As in big, hairy brown animals.
Comment by Nat
Or like big and tuff compared to the “cute” team they lost against.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:56 pmYou’re the one who is a lying to defend a racist.
Comment by Nat
Prove it.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:57 pmNat: “I have no idea what you’re saying here.â€
Join the club. “Nappy-headed hos†is a compliment???!!! How can a thoughtful person argue with something like that?
Comment by Bluedog49 — April 12, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
I am going to chalk this bout of stupidity up to the mass hysteria bluedog has obviously found himself caught up in.
ONE MORE TIME BLUE. Try and pay attention.
I never said the WORDS were a compliment.
GET IT?
I said his INTENT was TO compliment.
Since INTENT is too difficult a word for you, I suggest looking it up in the dictionary. I posted the definiation yesterday if you want to scroll back and find it.
INTENT.
6 Letters.
2 Syllables.
INTENT.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:58 pmAre we learning yet?
April 12th, 2007 at 7:58 pmHe helped get a racist off the air.
Comment by Nat
Just like the republicans you will learn that repeating a lie over and over only flys for so long. Sharpton has hurt his cause.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:00 pm#292…ggibson, you’ve already proven it.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:00 pmYou have already deciided there is NO context in which that word could be spoken, and therefore ANYONE speaking it must automatically be labeled racist.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
You’re jumping through hoops to defend a racist. I can’t fathom a context in which a white man calling black women “nappy-headed hoes” is acceptable.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:01 pmFiring Don Imus does little more than sweep racism under the rug. All gone. Nice and tidey.
As Charles Barkley(the basketball player) said; he felt more comfortable with the out front racist attitudes of some in the South, where he grew up, than in the Northeast where people were nice to your face but racist as hell behind your back. He said, at least you know what you are getting, and where you stand, in the South.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:02 pmDoes anyone hear think that Jewish people would not be insulted by such a “compliment?â€
Comment by Bluedog49
How many Jews are in the business of prostituting their women on MTV and treating them as sex toys on TV/radio/CDs for $$$? LOTS of blacks are. AND they expect us whites to consider it “cool” ..well now I guess Imus has sided with them… it is “cool” to act like the modern blacks in their 20s and 30s…
April 12th, 2007 at 8:02 pmYou are all a bunch of pussies?
April 12th, 2007 at 8:02 pmComment by ggibson
Why do you have to use words like that to describe our supposed cowardice? If I were a pussy I would be licking myself all day long.
You’re jumping through hoops to defend a racist. I can’t fathom a context in which a white man calling black women “nappy-headed hoes†is acceptable.
Comment by Idiat — April 12, 2007 @ 8:01 pm
No.
I’M looking at the facts.
And you cannot respond to those facts, so you come back with this sweeping generalization with no supporting details whatsover.
You’re a pathetic debator and an even more pathetic waste of keystrokes.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:03 pmWhen you can respond to the issues, give me a holler.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:03 pmWhy are you going out of your way to defend a racist?
Comment by Nat
You have yet to prove any such thing and I am not a “joiner” so I am not going to chant it along with you until you do prove it… the evidence is against you.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:04 pmJust like the republicans you will learn that repeating a lie over and over only flys for so long. Sharpton has hurt his cause.
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 8:00 pm
You’re the one lying to yourself. Could it be a racist defending racist situation?
April 12th, 2007 at 8:04 pmI said his INTENT was TO compliment.
Comment by I WORFEUS
Again, thats what you think it was. It doesnt prove a thing. It doesnt prove he wasnt trying to smear those kids. It doesnt prove that call him racist is a lie.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:05 pmJust like most brainwashed party loyalists, you run with the herd, even when the herd is running off the cliff.
When you can learn to think for yourself, and examine facts instead of inflated hoopla, then maybe you’ll become a reasonable adult.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:05 pmWhy do you have to use words like that to describe our supposed cowardice? If I were a pussy I would be licking myself all day long.
Comment by Juan C
Touche
April 12th, 2007 at 8:05 pma racist and sexist slur was “intended” as a compliment to Black women…well, then that makes it a compliment. You just have to be a simple-minded, shallow, one-dimensional person to accept it, that’s all.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:06 pmWould you people kindly STFU!!!!!
I’m sick of this back-biting.
Why not check out the newest thread and let this one die, for cryin’ out loud?
Stop infighting.
Both sides have points but both are too stubborn-headed to admit fault.
Let me guess – you’re all guys, aren’t you?
Typical.
(Oooh. Was that sexist? Or was it the truth in this case???)
April 12th, 2007 at 8:09 pmGET IT?
I said his INTENT was TO compliment.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
His intent was to compliment black women by calling then “nappy-head hoes”. Maybe you live in an alternate universe where a racial slur is actually a compliment.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:10 pmracism is not a “point,” it is a mental illness.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:12 pmTypical.
(Oooh. Was that sexist? Or was it the truth in this case???)
Comment by trueblue
Ok, true. Im done. :)
April 12th, 2007 at 8:13 pmDon Imus in an interview a few minutes said he feels that he didn’t deserve to be fired. Some here feel the same. My question is if he didn’t cross the line, the where is the line. I don’t think we have lost free speech, that is where Imus, Stern, Coulter, Limbaugh, et.al. like to hide, behind the first amendment. I think the message is that you are free to say what you like, but you will be held responsible what you say. I hope that this is a beginning of the end for Limbaugh, Coulter, the pukes on Fox, anyone who has to live through hate of others, there is an end to tolerance.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:14 pmYou have yet to prove any such thing and I am not a “joiner†so I am not going to chant it along with you until you do prove it… the evidence is against you.
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 8:04 pm
Imus called black women “nappy-headed hoes”.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:15 pmYou are all a bunch of pussies?
Comment by ggibson
Why do you have to use words like that to describe our supposed cowardice? If I were a pussy I would be licking myself all day long.
Comment by Juan C
Juan!
OMG!
It’s funny, but the visual is not.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:16 pmAgain, thats what you think it was. It doesnt prove a thing. It doesnt prove he wasnt trying to smear those kids. It doesnt prove that call him racist is a lie.
Comment by Juan C — April 12, 2007 @ 8:05 pm
Yes it does Juan.
Now that you’ve managed to finally, hours later, grasp the basis of my point, you can start LISTENING to the actual tape, and LISTEN to what Imus was saying.
He starts off with saying he WATCHED the game (hint: he’s a fan of womens basketball),
Then after the producer mentions the score, IMUS says, “Those are some ROUGH GIRLS” from Rutgers.
He says “they have tattoo’s”, (Hint: implies they’re tough)
Then Bernard CONTINUES the train of thought that they are “ROUGH GIRLS”, by calling them “HARDCORE HO’S” (Hint: radio code for hardcore bitches). Then Imus mangles it with the nappy headed ho’s comment. He says nappy with emphasis, like “TOUGH”.
Then he compares Tennessee to them calling Tennessee “cute”.
Later he indicates clearly once more he was surprised Tennessee won because Rutgers is so tough.
“I don’t know if they wanted to beat Rutgers or not,………. but they did”
April 12th, 2007 at 8:17 pmImus called black women “nappy-headed hoesâ€.
Comment by scat — April 12, 2007 @ 8:15 pm
WRONG.
Imus called a RACIALLY DIVERSE ladies basket ball team, “nappy headed ho’s”.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:18 pm(Oooh. Was that sexist? Or was it the truth in this case???)
Comment by trueblue — April 12, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
You’re saying racist or sexist comments can sometimes be called the truth too?
hmmmm
Interesting concept.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:19 pmIt doesnt prove that call him racist is a lie.
Comment by Juan C — April 12, 2007 @ 8:05 pm
The video tape proves that.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:21 pm“Imus called black women “nappy-headed hoesâ€.
Comment by scat — April 12, 2007 @ 8:15 pm
WRONG.
Imus called a RACIALLY DIVERSE ladies basket ball team, “nappy headed ho’sâ€.
Comment by I WORFEUS”
just when i thought all the intelligent points had been made.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:21 pmImus called a RACIALLY DIVERSE ladies basket ball team, “nappy headed ho’sâ€.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
What a stupid defense. You must really love Imus.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:22 pmMy view—-First it is racist and sexist to call a women’s bb team “nappy-headed ho’s”.
But I think Imus was emulating street talk to have cred. I think it is wrong to apply this standard only to Imus. Savage, Beck, and Coulter are far worse. Rap artists are so much worse that they cannot repeat what they say on tv. Three black pundits on CNN are currently agreeing with me.
Elijah Muhammod and Farrakhan preached that the white race was the accidental result of a genetic experiment by an evil wizard.
The three Duke lacrosse players were put through hell–far worse than the bb players who are claiming they are scarred for life. Watch out for lawsuits against CBS & MSNBC.
Since no race is superior to another, they are ALL capable of extreme racism.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:25 pmImus called black women “nappy-headed hoesâ€.
Comment by Nat
And what has South Park said about Liberals? Al Gore? Jesus?
You got some serious issues…unAmerican issues.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:27 pmLets all (Zooey) take a deep breath and calm down and LOOK at this sentence that Don Imus spoke summarzing his comments.
“I don’t know if they wanted to beat Rutgers or not,………. but they didâ€
Hmmmmmmm.
“I don’t know if they wanted to beat Rutgers or not”…….
If I say to you, “I don’t think you want to tangle with Zooey“, what am I saying about Zooey?
Am I trying to insult Zooey?
No.
I am stating how tough she is by using an expression that advises avoiding confrontation or face personal physical peril.
Do you see that?
Can you see that?
If so, then you can see that Imus was trying to in an offhanded way, pay BOTH teams a compliment.
Compliment to Tennessee? Congratulations on beating such a tough team.
Compliment to Rutgers? You are tough girls and I am surprised you lost.
:|
Are we finally learning yet?
April 12th, 2007 at 8:27 pm“Imus called black women “nappy-headed hoesâ€.
Comment by scat — April 12, 2007 @ 8:15 pm
WRONG.
Imus called a RACIALLY DIVERSE ladies basket ball team, “nappy headed ho’sâ€.
Comment by I WORFEUSâ€
just when i thought all the intelligent points had been made.
Comment by pgw — April 12, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
And you are too stupid to see the difference between calling “BLACK WOMEN” those names, and calling a team that women on it OTHER than black women?
He would have to single out the black members in order for your rabid rant to make sense.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:29 pmAnd what has South Park said about Liberals? Al Gore? Jesus?
You got some serious issues…unAmerican issues.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — April 12, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
I don’t know.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:30 pmAre we finally learning yet?
Comment by I WORFEUS
And the mob says? Burn the witch! Burn her!
April 12th, 2007 at 8:31 pmBut I think Imus was emulating street talk to have cred.
Comment by anonymous — April 12, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
Exactly.
Something I think we all can agree with that white people should not do.
Hear that Hilary Clinton?
April 12th, 2007 at 8:32 pm“Are we finally learning yet?”
not if “we” includes you.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:32 pm(Oooh. Was that sexist? Or was it the truth in this case???)
Comment by trueblue — April 12, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
You’re saying racist or sexist comments can sometimes be called the truth too?
hmmmm
Interesting concept.
Comment by I WORFEUS
No, I mean I’m tired of all the dick wagging that is going on!
No one is LISTENING to the other side.
Everyone needs to step the f- off.
You have all let it devolve into a ‘juvy’ pissing match, and it’s stupid and old.
For real discussion, try the other thread -
AFTER you’ve all taken a cold shower.
And before you piss on me again, ask yourself, “Gee, When has trueblue ever been pissed off and asked anyone to back off? When has she been so upset as to use profanity and caps in her posts?”
April 12th, 2007 at 8:34 pm“But I think Imus was emulating street talk to have cred.
Comment by anonymous — April 12, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
Exactly.”
this thread is awesome.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:37 pmAnd before you piss on me again, ask yourself, “Gee, When has trueblue ever been pissed off and asked anyone to back off? When has she been so upset as to use profanity and caps in her posts?â€
Comment by trueblue — April 12, 2007 @ 8:34 pm
I wasn’t pissing on you True.
I was just responding. And I don’t use caps to shout, but to augment words I am trying to emphasize.
Anyway this is what the thread is about so why are you trying to stomp it? There are as you said a lot more threads out there so why worry about this? This thread is on this topic, I think not enough people are willing to speak up and point out the obvious fallacy of this race rant, so I am debating it. Its what I do.
Don’t try to squash that.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:38 pmAnd you are too stupid to see the difference between calling “BLACK WOMEN†those names, and calling a team that women on it OTHER than black women?
He would have to single out the black members in order for your rabid rant to make sense.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 8:29 pm
When he called the team nappy-headed hoes, he was also referring to the white women. You must really love Imus.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:40 pmYou’re jumping through hoops to defend a racist. I can’t fathom a context in which a white man calling black women “nappy-headed hoes†is acceptable.
Comment by Nat — April 12, 2007 @ 8:01 pm
Can you show me one instance where a BLACK man calling black women is acceptable?
Where do white men learn “street vernacular”? Maybe from mainstream black music/movies.
What would make it acceptable for Snoop Dogg to say a woman is a “nappy-headed ho”?
April 12th, 2007 at 8:42 pm“But I think Imus was emulating street talk to have cred.
Comment by anonymous — April 12, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
But that does not mean that I think it is all right to say it. I do think that it would be a hell of a job to apply that standard equally. Do Savage, Beck, Coulter and all the rap artists and comedians get fired?
April 12th, 2007 at 8:42 pmAnyway I was leaving anyway. Its gotten boring because no one except for a few like Gerald and some right wing trolls, and you are able to see the clear lack of racist or hurtful intention in the video.
I am tired of repeating myself over and over and having morons (not you)come to me and say “duh…..say it agyin” .
They can’t see what I am trying to say because they are inflamed with racial hatred and that racial hatred is a mob mentality that I will not join onto.
If that makes me not politically correct, or in a “dick match” then fine, thats your opinion. But I won’t back down from the truth. Too many people do which is why this bullshit discussion has to take place.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:42 pmOh I see what you’re talking about Zooey. My post number #324.
I’m sorry. I was not being clear there. That post was NOT for you. I mentioned you at the beginning when I jokingly put your name in parentheses but the post was part of the debate I was already having with everyone else.
Please disregard.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:45 pmFor 4 hours?????
Fighting this STUPID fight for 4 hours???
“Dick Match” is pretty appropriate here.
When there is SO much else going on?
Threads that matter with 25 comments, and you’re all pissing around here with your testosterone feast?
Do Something Meaningfull…….
April 12th, 2007 at 8:48 pmLooking back on when I
Was a little nappy headed boy
Then my only worry
Was for Christmas what would be my toy
Sneaking out the back door
April 12th, 2007 at 8:51 pmTo hang out with those hoodlum friends of mine
Threads that matter with 25 comments, and you’re all pissing around here with your testosterone feast?
Do Something Meaningfull…….
Comment by trueblue — April 12, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
You pick the things you want to address and I’ll pick the ones I want to address.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:51 pm“For 4 hours?????
Fighting this STUPID fight for 4 hours???
“Dick Match†is pretty appropriate here.
When there is SO much else going on?
Threads that matter with 25 comments, and you’re all pissing around here with your testosterone feast?
Do Something Meaningfull…….”
ask him how late he was up posting last night.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:52 pmComment by Bluedog49 — April 12, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
Great post. Perhaps it was Karma catching up with Imus then.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:52 pmThreads that matter with 25 comments, and you’re all pissing around here with your testosterone feast?
Do Something Meaningfull…….
Comment by trueblue
Defending TRUTH is #1 … if you cant do that then nothing else is going to matter.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:55 pmJesus defended prostitutes did he not?
He with no sin cast the first stone?
I learned my morals from reading Jesus talk to the people.
Jesus died because he refused to bend when it came to truth.
If you cant defend truth when it comes to people you dont like you wont be able to truthfully defend those you support… you will be sheep instead.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:58 pmI have no idea what you’re saying here. The sidekick called them “hardcore hoes†and them Imus said something to the effect of “more like nappy-headed hoesâ€. They then compared the team to the Raptors and compared them to Grizzlies. As in big, hairy brown animals.
Comment by Nat — April 12, 2007 @ 7:47 pm
Isn’t it sad Nat, we don’t get it. If we were uber smart like Worfeus we would understand how all those additional insults were a compliment.
Worfeus is just such a warm fuzzy type that he thinks no matter how he insults a friend as long as they know he doesn’t mean it, it’s all good.
I can’t wait to get all smart like he is.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:03 pmCan you show me one instance where a BLACK man calling black women is acceptable?
Who said it was acceptable?
Where do white men learn “street vernacular� Maybe from mainstream black music/movies.
It doesn’t matter. It’s not acceptable for a white man to call black women “nappy-headed hoes.
What would make it acceptable for Snoop Dogg to say a woman is a “nappy-headed ho�
Comment by hacker bob — April 12, 2007 @ 8:42 pm
Again, who said it was acceptable?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:03 pmI dont give a rats ass what my reichwinger Jerry Falwell/Rod Parsley mother thinks about anything. I know she would get offended though.. she gets offended at the thought of liberals and Bhuddists to… so what?
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
Well I guess we can see where you got your charm.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:05 pmWe’d rather ask yours.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
This post wasn’t to you, again. But since you think it’s all fun. Let’s ask your mother. It’s not malicious, just a social experiment.
So nobody should get upset right.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:08 pmIt doesn’t matter. It’s not acceptable for a white man to call black women “nappy-headed hoes.
Comment by Nat
Whatever happened to ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:08 pmDoes anyone hear think that Jewish people would not be insulted by such a “compliment?â€
Comment by Bluedog49 — April 12, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
I’m sure Worfeus would think they shouldn’t be.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:10 pmWell I guess we can see where you got your charm.
Comment by shane
Worrying too much about “charm” and “being offended” leads to self righteousness…
sort of like that South Park episode where the ultra liberals are all smelling their own farts and loving it….
April 12th, 2007 at 9:10 pmIsn’t it sad Nat, we don’t get it. If we were uber smart like Worfeus we would understand how all those additional insults were a compliment.
Comment by shane — April 12, 2007 @ 9:03 pm
I watched the video on Media Matters over and over and I don’t see anything but a racist comment. Even the sidekick (the one that usually make these kinds of comments) sounded as though he was taken aback by it.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:12 pmHow many Jews are in the business of prostituting their women on MTV and treating them as sex toys on TV/radio/CDs for $$$? LOTS of blacks are. AND they expect us whites to consider it “cool†..well now I guess Imus has sided with them… it is “cool†to act like the modern blacks in their 20s and 30s…
Comment by ggibson — April 12, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
So ALL black men are rappers prostituting their women. Of course if a black man is an attorney or doctor and send a daughter to colleges she’s open game as a “nappy-headed ho” because some black men are rappers.
Since most mass murderers are white males we should judge you all by that criteria too.
Generalizations, that’s racism too.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:15 pm“This post wasn’t to you, again. But since you think it’s all fun. Let’s ask your mother. It’s not malicious, just a social experiment.
So nobody should get upset right.
Comment by shane — April 12, 2007″
no, that would mean entertaining someone else’s opinion. in the case of the rutgers girls, their feelings “were given to them by a speechwriter. You can kid yourself if you want, but they’re being ‘handled’.”
April 12th, 2007 at 9:16 pmComment by Nat — April 12, 2007 @ 9:03 pm
The point is, it should not be acceptable for ANYONE to call them “nappy-headed hos”. Period.
Hold Snoop Dogg and his ilk to the SAME standard.
People here need to demonstrate the same amount of anger toward them as they do Imus. Every time one of them says anything racist of sexist, it deserves the same amount of condemnation and media play.
BTW, I am no fan of Imus.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:17 pmGeneralizations, that’s racism too.
Comment by shane
Who represents black culture in America? The doctors and lawyers or the gangsta rapers?
Who was Cosby complaining about?
Who was Imus immulating?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:22 pmWhatever happened to ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL?
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — April 12, 2007 @ 9:08 pm
It’s different coming from a White person because of the history Blacks have had w/ Whites in this country. There is a segment of the Black community who are not offended when things like that are said by other Black people but I don’t think any Black person would accept it coming from a white person. It’s a double standard for some but that’s the way it is.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:23 pm“Hold Snoop Dogg and his ilk to the SAME standard.
People here need to demonstrate the same amount of anger toward them as they do Imus.”
remember that snoop dogg album where senator chris dodd announced that he was running for president.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:24 pmWhat I want to know, after 300+ comments – is this:
Is there anyone who isn’t a white man or a conservative who defends Imus’s right to spout racial and gender epithets on the public airwaves and not upset the groups he disparaged?
So far, all the Imus supporters have been white men and or conservatives… Anyone black, female or both who supports his conduct?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:27 pmComment by trueblue — April 12, 2007 @ 8:34 pm
trueblue, several of us are women and pointed that out to Worfeus the other day and that just led him to insult us more. That’s why there is so many hard feelings on the thread.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:27 pmIt’s different coming from a White person because of the history Blacks have had w/ Whites in this country
Comment by Nat
For how long? And didnt the blood spilt by the north count for anything?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:28 pmComment by unbelievable
On both CNN and MSNBC I saw blacks defending Imus.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:29 pmIt’s a double standard for some but that’s the way it is.
Comment by Nat — April 12, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
Again, all men SUPPOSED to be created equal. Does accepting a double standard sound “equal” to you?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:31 pmI learned my morals from reading Jesus talk to the people.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — April 12, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
This guy?:
Jesus says, “Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace on earth! No, rather a sword lf you love your father, mother, sister, brother, more than me, you are not worthy of being mine. “The real beauty of this verse is that Jesus demands people truly love him more then they love their own family. I ask you how can we love someone that we can not see or interact with? Love is an emotion pertaining to physical existence not to faithful ideologies, yet God threatens you with Death just because your love for your mother maybe stronger than your love for him. Matthew 10:34
Families will be torn apart because of Jesus. “Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.” Matthew 10:21
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. Matthew 5:17
Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching. Matthew 11:20
Jesus, whose clothes are dipped in blood, has a sharp sword sticking out of his mouth. Thus attired, he treads the winepress of the wrath of God. (The winepress is the actual press that humans shall be put into so that we may be ground up.) Revelations 19:13-15
The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest of us the unchosen will be killed with the sword of Jesus. “An all the fowls were filled with their flesh.†Revelations 19:20-21
http://www.evilbible.com/what_would_jesus_do.htm
April 12th, 2007 at 9:32 pmJesus kills a fig tree for not bearing figs, even though it was out of season. Jesus must not be as smart as Christians would have us believe, for he was retarded enough to do something this silly. You’d think the son of god (god incarnate) would know that trees don’t bear fruit in dry season. Mark 11:13
April 12th, 2007 at 9:33 pmHold Snoop Dogg and his ilk to the SAME standard.
People here need to demonstrate the same amount of anger toward them as they do Imus. Every time one of them says anything racist of sexist, it deserves the same amount of condemnation and media play.
BTW, I am no fan of Imus.
Comment by hacker bob — April 12, 2007 @ 9:17 pm
It’s just different coming from Snoop as opposed to Imus. I think when black women when listen to Snoop say something like that they go “he’s not talking about me; he’s talking about that hoe over there.â€
April 12th, 2007 at 9:33 pmWho represents black culture in America? The doctors and lawyers or the gangsta rapers?
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr
That is so racist.
Who represents white culture in America?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:34 pmdoctors and lawyers or obese, fast food nation-eating lazy mass murderers that voted twice an idiot?
On both CNN and MSNBC I saw blacks defending Imus.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — April 12, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
Really? What did they say exactly?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:34 pmComment by unbelievable — April 12, 2007 @ 9:27 pm
As a white conservative, I defend Imus’ right to be stupid (he does have the right to be wrong) and I defend CBS/MSNBC’s right to fire him.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:34 pmComment by unbelievable
There is a big difference between DOGMA and what Jesus himself was saying… if you really read the bibles new testament straight through you can see that either Jesus has multiple personality disorder or else people put words in his mouth.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:35 pmWho represents black culture in America? The doctors and lawyers or the gangsta rapers?Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — April 12, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
How very enlightened.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:36 pm#359
No, but there are blacks who are saying that it is wrong to fire Imus when many, many others do far worse.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:36 pmIt’s just different coming from Snoop as opposed to Imus.
Comment by Nat
It was different 50 years ago or 100 years ago…. today hip hop is the new cool….
April 12th, 2007 at 9:37 pmComment by Nat — April 12, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
That is weak. Same standard should apply.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:37 pmWho represents white culture in America?
doctors and lawyers or obese, fast food nation-eating lazy mass murderers that voted twice an idiot?
Comment by Juan C — April 12, 2007 @ 9:34 pm
LOL… Touche!
April 12th, 2007 at 9:39 pmReally? What did they say exactly?
Comment by unbelievable
Exactly like transcripts? Go lookem up.
Paraphrasing … “Imus said something that sounded horrible, but he was parroting what he has heard from the hip hop culture.”
April 12th, 2007 at 9:39 pmAgain, all men SUPPOSED to be created equal. Does accepting a double standard sound “equal†to you?
Comment by hacker bob — April 12, 2007 @ 9:31 pm
I’m a Black man (I don’t listen to rap) and my friends sometimes call me the N-word (I use once in while). If a White person called me the N-Word I would take it differently. That’s just the way it is; it’s hard to explain.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:39 pmComment by unbelievable — April 12, 2007 @ 9:34 pm
On Hannity and Colmbs”, commedian Patrice Oneal said
“Rap stars should be the first ones to defend Imus. Otherwise, they are next.”
April 12th, 2007 at 9:40 pmThat is so racist.
Who represents white culture in America?
doctors and lawyers or obese, fast food nation-eating lazy mass murderers that voted twice an idiot?
Comment by Juan C
It is NOT racist. Bill Cosby said the same thing himself.
And you are correct. American whites are widely represented by fat wannabe American idol “not real” reality show dipshits that are so damn stupid that companies have to hire chinese and indians to do Americas tech work because Americans think computer people are nerds and cool people dont read books…
It is pathetic really.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:41 pm#359, Unbelievable:
Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.
Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.
But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.
In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?
I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?
When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.
No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:43 pmhttp://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html
There is a big difference between DOGMA and what Jesus himself was saying…
How do you differentiate when you weren’t there, and considering all the lies the religion has told, it isn’t exactly credible?
if you really read the bibles new testament straight through you can see that either Jesus has multiple personality disorder or else people put words in his mouth.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — April 12, 2007 @ 9:35 pm
Exactly why I’m an Atheist who rejects Saviours of any variety. Most of them are demented or imaginary.
If Jesus was real, he was probably some poor guy who was turned into something he never intended. And probably said nothing that has been attributed to him. No one is perfect, all good, or without issues. And no human is worthy of worship.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:43 pmIt was wrong for him to say it. But he said it trying to be “cool” like so many others who are not being punished.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:44 pmExactly like transcripts? Go lookem up.
You made teh claim, you prove it. I’m not going to do it for you.
Paraphrasing … “Imus said something that sounded horrible, but he was parroting what he has heard from the hip hop culture.â€
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — April 12, 2007 @ 9:39 pm
That’s not defending, it’s rationalizing. There’s a difference.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:45 pmIt was different 50 years ago or 100 years ago…. today hip hop is the new cool….
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — April 12, 2007 @ 9:37 pm
It’s not acceptable even today. It just feels different when a White person uses a term gangsta rappers use (I don’t think he was imitating gangsta rappers anyway). Maybe you have to be Black to understand.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:46 pmComment by Nat — April 12, 2007 @ 9:39 pm
I appreciate your input and I understand that it is viewed differently. I am a white guy and I think it is a derogatory word no matter who says it. Just as calling a woman a “ho” is derogatory no matter who says it.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:47 pm[...] Imus Is Gonzo.. But… [...]
April 12th, 2007 at 9:47 pm#379
Companies are going to China and India because the wages are ridiculously low and absolutely for no other reason. It is increasing profit margins and Americans be damned.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:47 pmThat’s just the way it is; it’s hard to explain.
Comment by Nat — April 12, 2007 @ 9:39 pm
Not at all. It’s in every credible US history book…
As a woman, it’s just been a tad bit better for us (because we can give men sex and children), and I can tell you it comes down to the fact that we’ve both been secondary to white men in this country. We’ve been denied equality, so why would we tolerate further oppression?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:48 pmYou have to be black to understand that it is all right for a black man to call a woman a whore while at the same time it is outragous for a white to call a woman a whore?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:51 pmComment by Exley — April 12, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
Another white man who doesn’t get it…
It’s about those who have the power and a past of abuse, oppression, and slavery no longer getting another inch. Not one.
You’re a hypocrite Exley. You insult us for bashing Bush – but now you’re going to defend another white man who has the gaul to further insult blacks and women, and then wonder why we get offended? Surprise, surprise…
You cannot empathize, but you don’t have to make it worse.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:52 pmHow do you differentiate when you weren’t there, and considering all the lies the religion has told, it isn’t exactly credible?
Comment by unbelievable
There are two main personalities displayed… one seems to parrot the old testament… the other sounds very different from the old testament and seems to be encouraging everyone to treat each other as brothers to be free from humanities habit for self destruction.
If Jesus was real, he was probably some poor guy who was turned into something he never intended. And probably said nothing that has been attributed to him. No one is perfect, all good, or without issues. And no human is worthy of worship.
Comment by unbelievable
Jesus is NOT the son of god on any level more than we ALL are the I AM…
Worship a human being? That is what the CHURCH does… its wrong.
I treat the words of Jesus like I treat the words of Zen or Bhuddha.
Zen Koans == Jesus Parables.
I think Jesus was a rebel. Israel was under occupation from Rome. MANY Jews waged violent resistance… Rome killed most of them. Jesus (I think) asked himself if there was another way for his people to be free… and the answer was YES if EVERYONE was free… Free from what? Just Roman rule? Romans have problems to… what problems? Human problems… If Romans and Jews TURNED THE OTHER CHEECK… they could be friends… equals… and the Romans would have no further reason to occupy them.
And Jesus was correct. But hardly anyone has listened…even those that used the popularity of his message for DOGMA…
April 12th, 2007 at 9:54 pmIt’s not acceptable even today. It just feels different when a White person uses a term gangsta rappers use (I don’t think he was imitating gangsta rappers anyway). Maybe you have to be Black to understand.
Comment by Nat
Ever see white girls that are only with blacks? They talk that way.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:55 pmBlack men calling women whores is also bad. In fact, it’s worse, because they should know better, since they’ve been in the same boat of non-equality and oppression.
For the record, I find those types of rap songs offensive, and do not support the men who sing them, regardless of skin color.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:56 pmI appreciate your input and I understand that it is viewed differently. I am a white guy and I think it is a derogatory word no matter who says it. Just as calling a woman a “ho†is derogatory no matter who says it.
Comment by hacker bob — April 12, 2007 @ 9:47 pm
If he just used the term hoe (the sidekick used term hardcore hoes and didn’t get much flack for it), he would still be on the air. He used the term “nappy-headed hoes” which I think most Black people took used a racist comment.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:57 pm#389, Unbelievable,
Jason Whitlock, the author of the Kansas City Star column, is an African-American.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:57 pm#387
it comes down to the fact that we’ve both been secondary to white men in this country.
Comment by unbelievable — April 12, 2007 @ 9:48 pm
You are using racist and sexist generalizations. You should have said SOME white men.
Don’t lay collective guilt on everyone.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:58 pmCompanies are going to China and India because the wages are ridiculously low and absolutely for no other reason. It is increasing profit margins and Americans be damned.
Comment by anonymous
That is not what the tech companies are saying…
I get called EVERY SINGLE WEEK by recruiters desperate to find computer programers…
Where my brother works they hired him even though he didnt have a GED or high school deploma (I taught him to be a programmer myself) and at his job they have a bunch of chinese.
They are shiping the chinese and indians HERE… they cant find Americans to do the work.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:58 pmYou have to be black to understand that it is all right for a black man to call a woman a whore while at the same time it is outragous for a white to call a woman a whore?
Comment by anonymous — April 12, 2007 @ 9:51 pm
Could someone who thinks I am a racist address this?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:00 pmEver see white girls that are only with blacks? They talk that way.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — April 12, 2007 @ 9:55 pm
There was this one white kid in my High School and he “spoke” like Black people. None of us didn’t mind because he grew up around Black people.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:02 pmThere was this one white kid in my High School and he “spoke†like Black people. None of us didn’t mind because he grew up around Black people.
Comment by Nat
I dont think you realize how much the hip hop thing has spread… even middle aged white people go around trying to act black to be cool…. I live in Indiana…
April 12th, 2007 at 10:04 pmThere are two main personalities displayed… one seems to parrot the old testament… the other sounds very different from the old testament and seems to be encouraging everyone to treat each other as brothers to be free from humanities habit for self destruction.
Considering the culture of the region – he’s more inclined to be the first personality.
However – just because there are different personalities means that either one of them is accurate. Again – if the church lies about many things, why would either jesus personality be accurate, and how do you differentiate?
Jesus is NOT the son of god on any level more than we ALL are the I AM… Worship a human being? That is what the CHURCH does… its wrong. I treat the words of Jesus like I treat the words of Zen or Bhuddha. Zen Koans == Jesus Parables.
What about thinking for yourself?
The reality is that the Jesus in the Bible was mostly likely just an iteration of Krishna – from Hinduism – hence the dual personality. There was the OT messages to bond him to the Jews, and then the Far Eastern philosophy of love.
I think Jesus was a rebel. Israel was under occupation from Rome.
Maybe, maybe not. The church has lied so much, and the gospels were written after his death by those who didn’t even know him personally. The four dead stories of Jesus are conflicting… Further proof that the Jesus written about isn’t real.
And Jesus was correct. But hardly anyone has listened…even those that used the popularity of his message for DOGMA…
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — April 12, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
How do you know he said that? Again, if the bible lies about one thing – then it could be lying about everything…
I say, reject all organized religion and its god-men and think for yourself.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:05 pmEven 66-year old radio shock jocks try to talk like that to appear hip.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:06 pmJason Whitlock, the author of the Kansas City Star column, is an African-American.
Comment by Exley — April 12, 2007 @ 9:57 pm
I agree with everything the guy said accept for the parts pertaining to Imus.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:10 pmIf they arrested one driver at the Indy 500 for speeding—would it be fair?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:10 pmJason Whitlock, the author of the Kansas City Star column, is an African-American.
Comment by Exley — April 12, 2007 @ 9:57 pm
Maybe on the outside… I forgot about that group of blacks and women who foolishly think that if they act like white men, they will turn into them, or at least be accepted by them. I guess I should have further clarified and said ‘liberal blacks and women who don’t have a desire to be white men.’ Thanks for pointing out the gap in my argument… As I think about it now – there are others. Any woman who would date a man who calls her a ‘ho isn’t exactly qualified either to speak about appropriateness…
Oh, and for the record, I was actually talking about you being another white man… LOL
April 12th, 2007 at 10:13 pmYou have to be black to understand that it is all right for a black man to call a woman a whore while at the same time it is outragous for a white to call a woman a whore?
Comment by anonymous — April 12, 2007 @ 9:51 pm
It’s not alright; it’s just taken differently. And why are you singling out the whore part of the term? He called them “nappy-headed hoes.â€
April 12th, 2007 at 10:16 pmhow do you differentiate?
Comment by unbelievable
I choose the one that rejects the animalistic ways of the past and I accept the one that is based on the same ideals as American Liberty.
What about thinking for yourself?
Comment by unbelievable
Thinking for yourself includes learning the wisdom of those that came before…. or as someone else once put it…standing on the shoulders of giants from the past.
The reality is that the Jesus in the Bible was mostly likely just an iteration of Krishna – from Hinduism – hence the dual personality. There was the OT messages to bond him to the Jews, and then the Far Eastern philosophy of love.
Pure speculation. it could also be that great minds think alike… or TRUTHS are universal and can be rediscovered over and over through history.
Maybe, maybe not. The church has lied so much, and the gospels were written after his death by those who didn’t even know him personally. The four dead stories of Jesus are conflicting… Further proof that the Jesus written about isn’t real.
Its not proof he wasnt real… it very much could be proof that it is hard maintaining good records when under Roman occupation…. and/or that the Romans that adopted Jesus twisted the stories to benefit them…but left them mostly intact.
How do you know he said that? Again, if the bible lies about one thing – then it could be lying about everything…
In the end it could have been John the Baptist… or anyone.. who knows if Bhuddha really said what is written of him… TRUTH is truth … and we really shouldnt care where or who it comes from… even religions can contain wisdom.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:16 pmYou are using racist and sexist generalizations. You should have said SOME white men.
Nope.
It’s not about current white men – it’s about a history and culture. This wasn’t about anyone specific – but about the fact that women and blacks are still secondary citizens in our country – in general…
Don’t lay collective guilt on everyone.
Comment by anonymous — April 12, 2007 @ 9:58 pm
I didn’t. It’s just not possible to lay it specifically where it belongs, hence the generalization that is accurate…
We can talk about the pay differences, about Affirmative Action, about the fact that we’re the only Industrialized Nation without an ERA or laws, about reproductive inequality, an so on. As long as these things exist, my generalization is the general reality.
If you feel guilty, then perhaps you should do something about it…
April 12th, 2007 at 10:17 pm#404, Nat,
Agreed. I, like Mr. Whitlock, am not an Imus fan or apologist. I do think Whitlock makes some good points. Moreover, Unbelievable asked for an example of an African-American who believed there has been an overreaction to Imus’ inane comments. I have provided such an example.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:20 pmCould someone who thinks I am a racist address this?
Comment by anonymous — April 12, 2007 @ 10:00 pm
I did. It’s #392 at present.
I don’t know if you’re a racist – you just don’t get it…
April 12th, 2007 at 10:20 pmnappy-headed
Comment by Nat
Isnt nappy headed just refering to their hair type or texture or something? I understand that white in the past may have said things like about nappy hair in a derogatory way… but that doesnt make it bad does it? Sort of how the british called the Americans yankees or something and the name was taken on as a GOOD term in defiance… it doesnt always have to be about slavery does it?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:21 pmunbelievable,
#387
it comes down to the fact that we’ve both been secondary to white men in this country.
Comment by unbelievable — April 12, 2007 @ 9:48 pm
You are using racist and sexist generalizations. You should have said SOME white men.
Don’t lay collective guilt on everyone.
Comment by anonymous — April 12, 2007 @ 9:58 pm
Is the harm done to you by some white men why you now generalize and discriminate against all white men?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:21 pmunbelievable,
So, you agree with me that it is wrong to only go after Imus and not the one hundred others?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:23 pmWhat is “it”? Maybe I do get “it” and you just do not get that I get it.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:24 pmNot at all. It’s in every credible US history book…
As a woman, it’s just been a tad bit better for us (because we can give men sex and children), and I can tell you it comes down to the fact that we’ve both been secondary to white men in this country. We’ve been denied equality, so why would we tolerate further oppression?
Comment by unbelievable — April 12, 2007 @ 9:48 pm
And there are still a lot of people who want to go back to the good old days of separate but equal and women barefoot and pregnant, and tending to younglings and the household.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:28 pmIs the billionaire Oprah Winfrey secondary to a homeless white man walking the streets of Manhattan?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:28 pmAnd there are still a lot of people who want to go back to the good old days of separate but equal and women barefoot and pregnant, and tending to younglings and the household.
Comment by Nat — April 12, 2007 @ 10:28 pm
Yes, but does that really apply to Imus?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:30 pmThinking for yourself includes learning the wisdom of those that came before…. or as someone else once put it…standing on the shoulders of giants from the past.
I tend to go for valid people who prefer reality, scientific methodology and basic Humanism. Jesus isn’t a reliable role model, so he doesn’t get a say in my thinking process. The Dalai Lama is authentic, as was Gandhi – one of my favorite people to quote.
Pure speculation. it could also be that great minds think alike… or TRUTHS are universal and can be rediscovered over and over through history.
No, it’s not speculation. It’s the fact that I’ve read the footnoted research and documentation of historians and open-minded philosophers who can show a distinct correlation between Jesus and the various god-men of the Eastern religions.
One of my favorites:
http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins5.htm
Its not proof he wasnt real… it very much could be proof that it is hard maintaining good records when under Roman occupation…. and/or that the Romans that adopted Jesus twisted the stories to benefit them…but left them mostly intact.
A lie is a falsification. That means that someone was telling the OPPOSITE of teh truth. If they lied, then it’s proof that they were covering up the fact that he wasn’t who they claim. Either a prophet or a person.
In the end it could have been John the Baptist… or anyone.. who knows if Bhuddha really said what is written of him…
Which is why it is foolish to evolve your ideology from those people who are cannot be proven to be more than myths……
TRUTH is truth … and we really shouldnt care where or who it comes from… even religions can contain wisdom.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — April 12, 2007 @ 10:16 pm
“TRUTH” is subjective – and not something that we are rarely privy to…
Religions tend to contain wishful thinking. I neither find that useful, honest or intelligent. If there is some grain of ‘wisdom’, it’s because the odds of it being totally inane are too slim…
April 12th, 2007 at 10:32 pmTim Hardaway (Black bb player) said “I hate gay people”. Was he fired?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:33 pmIs the harm done to you by some white men why you now generalize and discriminate against all white men?
Comment by anonymous — April 12, 2007 @ 10:21 pm
I see you don’t understand my explanation.
The ‘harm’ done to me has been a result of a culture… That’s a generalization.
Again, if you don’t like the guilt you feel for teh way blacks and women are currently treated in our culture – the help change it.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:35 pmWhether or not Jesus was real is not really the subject of this thread.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:37 pmI do think blacks and women have been treated poorly and for forty years I have tried to change it. But I also do not like reverse-discrimination when I see it.
It is a white man being fired for doing something that was less than what some white women (Ann Coulter) or black men do.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:40 pmSo, you agree with me that it is wrong to only go after Imus and not the one hundred others?
Comment by anonymous — April 12, 2007 @ 10:23 pm
Oh, I get it – you’re an absolutist who doesn’t get the many shades of gray that define reality. You expect everythig to be black or white (pun intended) and when it isn’t, you push it to either side so that you can redefine it in your own narrow scope…
I do my best, considering the occasional slur from one of my students, to do just that. Unfortunately, I cannot control what everyone else does. Nor do I know everyone else. Imus was a public figure – that, like it or not, gives him visibility that everyone else doesn’t have.
What is “it� Maybe I do get “it†and you just do not get that I get it.
Comment by anonymous — April 12, 2007 @ 10:24 pm
No, you don’t. You’ve demonstrated that you don’t by asking that question..
April 12th, 2007 at 10:41 pmIsnt nappy headed just refering to their hair type or texture or something? I understand that white in the past may have said things like about nappy hair in a derogatory way… but that doesnt make it bad does it? Sort of how the british called the Americans yankees or something and the name was taken on as a GOOD term in defiance… it doesnt always have to be about slavery does it?
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — April 12, 2007 @ 10:21 pm
Whites use to always use that term to put down Black people. My mother used to tear my sister’s hair out trying to get it straight so she wouldn’t be called nappy-head. And this is fairly recently (I’m 27 and my sister is 26). I didn’t find anything funny about his comment and I don’t understand why some people are defending him.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:41 pmDon’t tell me I don’t understand something.
Admittedly, I am expressing myself poorly.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:42 pmComment by unbelievable
Does it really matter WHO wrote the U.S. Constitution? Or are the words the power? How about the words of Jesus (or whoever)? If the WORDS are TRUTH then who cares who said them?
Let he with no sin cast the first stone. THAT is TRUTH no matter who said it… it would lead to a better world.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:42 pmAnn Coulter, Snoop Dog, Glenn Beck, Mike Savage, and Ludicrous are not public figures?
Why do so many blacks and women agree with me?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:44 pmI don’t understand why some people are defending him.
Comment by Nat
For the same reason we defend South Park.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:44 pmAnd there are still a lot of people who want to go back to the good old days of separate but equal and women barefoot and pregnant, and tending to younglings and the household.
Comment by Nat — April 12, 2007 @ 10:28 pm
Yes, while blacks put on white gloves and serve them lunch at their country clubs.
Appalling.
The only hope is in knowing that the days of WASP men being the majority in this country are dwindling, and that in the near future, no one will be the majority.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:44 pmTim Hardaway (Black bb player) said “I hate gay peopleâ€. Was he fired?
Comment by anonymous — April 12, 2007 @ 10:33 pm
He’s retired. He was removed from the All-Star Weekend by the Commissioner in response to his remarks.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:48 pmIt is discriminatory to go after Imus and not the others. Some women and some blacks love discriminating against white men. They love the “payback”.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:49 pmIs the billionaire Oprah Winfrey secondary to a homeless white man walking the streets of Manhattan?
Comment by anonymous — April 12, 2007 @ 10:28 pm
Are you serious? You can’t compare two people that you’ve selectively chosen and expect it to stand for the general rule…
Tim Hardaway (Black bb player) said “I hate gay peopleâ€. Was he fired?
Comment by anonymous — April 12, 2007 @ 10:33 pm
His job isn’t a talk show on PUBLIC airwaves…
But f enough people got offended and boycotted baseball, he might have… It is all about money you know…
Whether or not Jesus was real is not really the subject of this thread.
Comment by anonymous — April 12, 2007 @ 10:37 pm
Please. Of course it is. Where do you think the notion to oppress women and blacks comes from? Hello…
April 12th, 2007 at 10:50 pmThe only hope is in knowing that the days of WASP men being the majority in this country are dwindling, and that in the near future, no one will be the majority.
Comment by unbelievable
Right there is your problem… trying to say every white guy that is not a sweety pie is WASP…WRONG…
April 12th, 2007 at 10:52 pmI don’t understand why some people are defending him.
Comment by Nat — April 12, 2007 @ 10:41 pm
Total lack of empathy through ignorance of having been treated like a secondary citizen.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:53 pmFor the same reason we defend South Park.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — April 12, 2007 @ 10:44 pm
I watch South Park and don’t get offended by it but for some reason Imus’s offended me and my family.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:53 pmDon’t tell me I don’t understand something.
LOl… This always cracks me up… But it’s okay for you to tell me what to and not to do…
You don’t understand, or you wouldn’t be asking the questions you’ve asked.
Admittedly, I am expressing myself poorly.
Comment by anonymous — April 12, 2007 @ 10:42 pm
Then stop it… :)
April 12th, 2007 at 10:54 pmSo, in ancient China women had totally equal status because they were not Christians? You are revealing ignorance.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:55 pmIs Imus the only public person who has said something offensive?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:56 pmDoes it really matter WHO wrote the U.S. Constitution? Or are the words the power?
The bible is speculation… The Constitution is not. Not a valid analogy.
How about the words of Jesus (or whoever)? If the WORDS are TRUTH then who cares who said them?
Prove they are the “TRUTH”
Let he with no sin cast the first stone. THAT is TRUTH no matter who said it… it would lead to a better world.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — April 12, 2007 @ 10:42 pm
No it isn’t. It’s an opinion. If one person disagrees with it, then it’s not universal, and therefore not “TRUTH”.
And you’ll find many people who think they are without sin, so your theory is isn’t applicable to the world we live in.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:58 pmApparently you think you are without sin.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:00 pmRight there is your problem… trying to say every white guy that is not a sweety pie is WASP…WRONG…
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — April 12, 2007 @ 10:52 pm
I didn’t say that. No where near it. I said that the country would be better off when no one holds the power of majority and that ALL people have to learn to compromise…
At least my ‘problem’ isn’t self-delusion and refusal to live in the real world… LOL
April 12th, 2007 at 11:02 pmIs Imus the only public person who has said something offensive?
Comment by anonymous — April 12, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
No, anonymous, he is not.
Well, then I guess we both agree that it is discriminatory since only Imus was fired.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:02 pm#104 Unbelievable:
Former NBA All-Star Micheal Ray Richardson appeared to be getting his life back on track after his league suspension in 1986 for drug use. He was coaching in the Continental Basketball Association and had led his team, the Albany Patroons, to the playoffs. But as they say: What goes up, must come down.
The Patroons have suspended Richardson for the rest of the CBA championship series for comments made to the Albany Times Union on Tuesday.
Before Tuesdays game against the Yakima Sun Kings, Richardson made anti-Semitic comments to two reporters in his office when discussing the contract general manager Jim Coyne had offered him Monday to coach his team in the CBA and USBL.
“I’ve got big-time lawyers,” Richardson said, according to the Times Union. “I’ve got big-time Jew lawyers.”
When told by the reporters that the comment could be offensive to people because it plays to the stereotype that Jews are crafty and shrewd, he responded with, “Are you kidding me? They are. They’ve got the best security system in the world. Have you ever been to an airport in Tel Aviv? They’re real crafty. Listen, they are hated all over the world, so they’ve got to be crafty.”
And he continued, “They got a lot of power in this world, you know what I mean?” he said. “Which I think is great. I don’t think there’s nothing wrong with it. If you look in most professional sports, they’re run by Jewish people. If you look at a lot of most successful corporations and stuff, more businesses, they’re run by Jewish. It’s not a knock, but they are some crafty people.”
And the offensive remarks didn’t stop there.
According to the Times Union, Richardson told a fan who heckled him early in Tuesday’s game, “Shut the [expletive] up.” And near game’s end, he shouted at another heckler, “Shut the [expletive] up, you [derogatory term for gay men],”
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2816356
April 12th, 2007 at 11:03 pmIs Imus the only public person who has said something offensive?
Comment by anonymous — April 12, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
The comment was racist. And yes a lot of people say things that are offensive.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:03 pmAs a low status white man who has performed some of the most degrading jobs
you could imagine (99.9% of women WON’T do them), I am amused by the downtrodden women on here searching for someone(Imus), anyone, to pay the price for their feelings of oppression.
I have no one to blame but myself and society won’t let me blame anyone but myself.
The ‘white man’ stereotypes, classic.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:06 pmNat,
An awful lot of people say worse and only Imus was fired. Therefore it is discrimination.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:07 pmSo, in ancient China women had totally equal status because they were not Christians? You are revealing ignorance.
Comment by anonymous — April 12, 2007 @ 10:55 pm
No – you are revealing retardation by asserting some random variables that have nothing to do with the discussion.
I never said that. Now all you have is strawmen? I have better things to do.
Is Imus the only public person who has said something offensive?
Comment by anonymous — April 12, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
Again – another inane absolute that implies that life must conform to your view…
Apparently you think you are without sin.
Comment by anonymous — April 12, 2007 @ 11:00 pm
Considering I am an Atheist who does not believe in ’sin’, you’d be correct… Except that I know that I am not. Sin is about intentionally doing wrong. That goes against my own ethical views, so I just do it. I am not weak when it comes to my own ideology – because I defined it. As a former Christian, boy, let me tell you – religion is a prison. A terrible one… Yet it amazes me the people who choose to live in them…
Better to think than believe… It’s a more moral way of life…
Enough of this – I’m going to sleep. Later
April 12th, 2007 at 11:09 pmAs I said before, I have strongly opposed racism and sexism for forty years. I have worked for the rights of blacks and for the rights of women. Can unbelievable say the reverse?
April 12th, 2007 at 11:09 pmIf the three innocent white Duke men did not have wealthy families to afford lawyers, they would still be in serious trouble.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:11 pmThe ‘white man’ stereotypes, classic.
Comment by null — April 12, 2007 @ 11:06 pm
The ‘wisdom’ of another white man… How quaint.
Have a nice life.
Good night everyone else…
April 12th, 2007 at 11:12 pmI wasn’t advocating religion. You have a problem with understanding.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:13 pmYou are insulting.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:14 pmCan unbelievable say the reverse?
Comment by anonymous — April 12, 2007 @ 11:09 pm
No. I haven’t worked against the rights of blacks and women for forty years…
Okay, I’m really gone now…
April 12th, 2007 at 11:14 pmName them and I’ll write letters. No one should be making racist comments on the public airwaves.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:16 pmMany black women totally agree with what I am saying.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:17 pm#441
Exley
Please allow me to finish the story for you …
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Albany’s Continental Basketball Association will not renew the contract for Patroons coach Michael Ray Richardson.
Richardson was suspended last week for allegedly making anti-Semitic and anti-gay remarks.
In his second year as Albany’s coach, Richardson led the Patroons to the CBA championship series.
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This seems to be consistent with the Imus affair.
Richardson was good at his job (his team played for the championship) – but he was deemed too offensive and fired. Despite apparently being a very good coach.
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April 12th, 2007 at 11:21 pmme thinks unbelievable lives on a one-way street but thinks it it is a superhighway.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:21 pmTriumph, I understand what you are saying. I just wanted to address Unbelievable’s assertion that it was somehow impossible for an African-American to make offensive (and fireable) comments about Jewish people.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:32 pmName them and I’ll write letters. No one should be making racist comments on the public airwaves.
Comment by Nat — April 12, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
Nat, Try this for starters:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200704120010
A slur against Whites is also bad. A slur against men is also bad. Also if the object is a Muslim, a Jew, Gay, Lesbian, Southerner, Latino, Arab, Anglo, Christian, Asian, etc.
To be fair you would have to fire EVERY shock jock in the country.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:36 pmFarrakhan has been banned from Britain because his anti-semitic remarks were considered inciting hatred.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:37 pmA slur against atheists is wrong. They are not all as narrow-minded as unbelievable.
But, why pick one guy out of the Indy 500 and arrest him for speeding?
April 12th, 2007 at 11:42 pmNot every shock jock accepted a term on par with the n-word and expounded on it by relating black women to the slur…
What Imus did was disgusting.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:57 pmHow about when Rush Limbaugh said “hang up and take that bone out of your nose”. Mike Savage calls foreigners with brown skin “turd-world countries”.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:05 amGOOD-BYE, Don Imus, WE WON’T MISS YA, THAT’S FOR SURE!!!!!
April 13th, 2007 at 12:07 amYESSIREEE, BOB!!!!!
Glenn Beck said he felt like Congressman Keith Ellison was a terrorist since he was a Muslim. Ann Coulter called presidential candiate Edwards a “faggot”.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:07 amTriumph, I understand what you are saying. I just wanted to address Unbelievable’s assertion that it was somehow impossible for an African-American to make offensive (and fireable) comments about Jewish people. Comment by Exley — April 12, 2007 @ 11:32 pm
When a group in power uses hate speech to keep a group not in power ‘in-place’, that is a special kind of bigotry. This is often ‘code’ to encourage those in power to continue to oppress those that aren’t. It’s the difference between a private citizen and a politician making the same comment. Responsibility has a price, and white men in particular don’t want to admit they have more social responsibility in our society because of the power wielded.
I wouldn’t expect you to understand this. Any topic that requires intellect, sensitivity and comprehension always fail to make any mark on your crude thick skull.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:09 amGlenn Beck said he felt like Congressman Keith Ellison was a terrorist since he was a Muslim. Ann Coulter called presidential candiate Edwards a “faggotâ€. Comment by anonymous — April 13, 2007 @ 12:07 am
And they both should have lost their jobs, but didn’t because the GOP corporate masters of media consider them ‘team’ players. Imus was a Libertarian, so he has on rare occasion criticized the GOP Wingnuts. He was the low hanging fruit, and the scapegoat so the media can *pretend* to be accountable while the protect Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter and the rest of the REAL bigots.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:10 amI am a white man with less than zero power.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:11 amVVGFU,
April 13th, 2007 at 12:14 amThat’s what I’m complaing about+ the huge number of rappers and comedians. Plus anti-gay, anti-semitic, and anti-white speech coming from Blacks.
Isn’t there a lot of anti-Asian bigotry coming from NYC Black shock jocks?
April 13th, 2007 at 12:15 amNote that VVGFU ignores the column written by Jason Whitlock, referenced in posting #380.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:16 amI have been watching Jason on CNN and totally agree with him. It is harmful to the Black community to have gansta rappers as role models. It is a prison culture.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:19 amIt is also wrong to have Michael Jordan, Eddie Murphy, or Halle Berry as role models—because those are million-to-one shots.
They should have Charles Rangel/Barak Obama as a role model.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:22 amCharlotte basketball player Brian Morrison got called “white trash” from someone in the crowd last night.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:28 amDon Imus is a nasty bigoted old creepo, so good riddence to him!
April 13th, 2007 at 12:40 am#468
???
Who are the Black NYC shock jocks?
What station or stations are they on?
April 13th, 2007 at 12:56 amNote that VVGFU ignores the column written by Jason Whitlock, referenced in posting #380. Comment by Exley — April 13, 2007 @ 12:16 am
Exley again thinks an ‘op-ed’ is relevant ‘facts’ to debate with. Sigh. St*pid, feckless, and incapable of basic reason – same old ExLax.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:21 amCharlotte basketball player Brian Morrison got called “white trash†from someone in the crowd last night. Comment by anonymous — April 13, 2007 @ 12:28 am
His sister doesn’t count, she *knows* he’s white trash ;)
April 13th, 2007 at 2:48 amOn January 17, 2005, Hot 97 (WQHT NYC) DJ Miss Jones provoked a controversy by airing a song entitled “USA for Indonesia” a month after approximately 187,000 people died in the Asian tsunami caused by the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake. The song, a parody sung to the 1985 tune “We Are The World”, was criticized for overtly racist mocking of the Asian and East African victims; the song lyrics contain the racially derogatory words “chinks” and “Chinamen,” and calls the drowning victims “bitches.” Some of the lyrics included the words “Go find your mommy. I just saw her float by, a tree went through her head. And now your children will be sold. Child slavery”.
Miss Info, a fellow DJ of Korean descent, was outraged and spoke against the song on the station. She excluded herself from producing the song and said it was wrong for it to be played. Miss Info immediately found herself subjected to a four-minute, on-air lambasting from the other DJs. Miss Jones accused Miss Info of always distancing herself from the antics of the others, and of acting superior because she is Asian. Another jock on the show named Todd Lynn muttered “I’m gonna start shooting Asians.”
Following angry protests from the Asian-American community, bloggers, and networking sites, and other New Yorkers, Miss Jones, DJ Envy (whose wife, ironically, is half Black and half Asian), and Tasha Hightower were suspended while Todd Lynn and Rick Del Gado (the writer of the song) were fired. The station issued an apology on its website. Both Sprint and McDonald’s pulled their advertising from the station. The suspended employees’ pay was diverted to charities helping victims of the tsunami. Miss Jones has since been REINSTATED.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:22 am476,
you just made a racial slur that you think is okay because it is a “joke”— like Imus.
Black female civil rights attorney in LA Times agrees with me:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-rice11apr11,0,3674928.story?coll=la-home-commentary
April 13th, 2007 at 3:27 amAll this talk about rappers, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson is nothing but a distraction. Unlike using the word “ho” anonymously in a recording, Imus’ comment was directed to ten specific people: the Rutgers women’s basketball team. And it’s one thing to call Jesse Jackson a nappy-headed so-and-so — he can defend himself. It’s quite another to attack wonderful young adults who can’t.
These young women have faces, they have names, they have family. After an outstanding academic career and an even more remarkable athletic accomplishment, at their very moment of glory, Imus and McGuirk (the real instigator of the phrase) snatch it away from them. Instead of talking about their accomplishments we’re all talking about Don Imus.
If any of you hurled that epithet at a person in your workplace, particularly after a career-long history of making such comments, you would (or should) be fired for it.
Dom Imus has a first amendment guarantee of free speech that remains intact. What he doesn’t have is a first amendment right to a radio program.
April 13th, 2007 at 8:36 amI just ask – how is something a ‘racial slur’ when the race supposedly being slurred by the phrase uses that same phrase daily – just hang around some of them for awhile..
Don’t misinterpret me – I don’t like the language itself – but you can’t feign outrage over something you say and do yourself – in fact over something that has been promulgated within your own culture! come on! use some logical reasoning people! at least try to do so before you try to ruin the career of someone who does way more good in the world than many of you.
April 13th, 2007 at 8:58 amre: 480: “you can’t feign outrage over something you say and do yourself”
…which of course explains totally the reason why so many find it easy to not be outraged at Imus for wrecking the special moment of these very special individuals. In their private little all-white conclaves, they proclaim that racism is over, then titter over racist commentary disguised as “humor.” Imus legitimizes their behavior.
Meanwhile, ten young ladies with familes, ten future leaders of America, have to bear this burden the rest of their lives. Some will grasp at any straw, no matter how flimsy, to avoid confronting that reality.
April 13th, 2007 at 9:39 ambear what burden? give me a break.
the only people promulgating racism are those like Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. I live in a predominantly black area for your information, and I know many of them think this is an ignorant controversy as well. So it might be helpful for some such as you #481 to get your facts straight.
I am not outraged at Imus because the only reason this is a controversy beyond just a misstatement followed by an apology is some like Sharpton and Jackson wouldn’t get paid if they didn’t continue to create racially-driven controversies. Think about that for a bit – it’s more than a flimsy straw.
April 13th, 2007 at 10:13 am#468 and #477
“Isn’t there a lot of anti-Asian bigotry coming from NYC Black shock jocks?
1. Your post #468 post implies that several “NYC Black shock jocks” have recently been engaging behavior offensive to Asians.
2. The incident that you mentioned in your #477 post happened over two years ago. If you have evidence Black NYC jocks are repeatedly offending Asians (or offending them “a lot” – as you said) within the last 6-months, post it. I’d be interested in seeing that.
As you dug up and posted this two year old issue, why did you highlight “Reinstated?”
Why not post it like this?
From Washingtonpost.com / Thursday, February 3, 2005; Page C09
From NEW YORK, Feb. 2 — The producer and co-host of a morning radio show that aired a song mocking tsunami victims HAVE BEEN FIRED.”
The actions of the morning show crew were socially and morally indefensible and the entire Emmis family is ashamed by this,” Rick Cummings, president of WQHT-FM parent company Emmis Radio, said in a statement. The company also said it would donate $1 million to tsunami relief.
The song broadcast on New York’s leading hip-hop station, known locally as Hot 97, put tasteless lyrics to the melody of the 1985 charity single “We Are the World.”
Producer Rick Del Gado and co-host Todd Lynn were fired. Del Gado was involved in writing and airing the song, and Lynn made “offensive, racially insensitive comments” following the broadcast, Cummings said.
Or, why not like this?
From Asian Media Watchdog:
QUOTE
Todd Lynn has been terminated without severance pay.
At about 9 PM on Monday, Lynn called Asian Media Watchdog from his
home in Brooklyn saying, “You got your wish man. I’m fired. I’m gone.”
The fate of others involved in Tsunami song—Miss Jones and DJ Envy—is unclear. Emmis Communications is expected to release a statement
shortly.
We will keep you posted on the details.
James Fujikawa
Co-Founder/Campaign Director
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Very clear parallels between then and now.
Ethnic/gender groups (Asians then/Blacks and Women now) were offended. A member of that group (Fujikawa then/Sharpton now) organized a move to press advertisers to not tolerate this. Advertisers concurred. There were firings (Del Gado and Lynn then / Imus now). Some were spared – rightly or wrongly (Miss Jones then/Imus’s cohorts now).
Personally, I would not have reinstated Miss Jones. The commercial reality is that for the 4 hours Jones is on – they can hide her behind hours and hours of music and ads. And then ‘trust’ or ‘hope’ that she keeps it clean in between. Imus’ cohorts, however, just talk. They cannot be hidden as easily. And their act is so identical to Imus’ that they probably will not fare as well.
While writing this, I saw that you asked why Tim Hardaway “wasn’t fired” for his remarks – apparently not realizing that as a retired NBA player there isn’t much to fire him from.
You seem to just take wet toilet tissue and toss it against the wall to see if it sticks. Wow. Big fun. Knock yourself out.
April 13th, 2007 at 10:23 amActually, Whitlock’s column is directly responsive to VVGFU’s point and yet he continues to ignore it.
April 13th, 2007 at 10:36 am#480
The argument that all Blacks are okay with the language that the gansta / toxic hip-hop part of that community uses is false, disingenous and frankly – ignorant.
As I mentioned in another post, a documentary aired on PBS called “Beyond Beats and Rhymes” by Byron Hurt. It was one of the first steps toward challeging the toxicity that has taken over much of the rap/hip hop culture.
Many people (Black People) responded with great joy that Hurt had taken on this challenge. In the comments section – many responses were like this one from a Black man in Seattle Washington:
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“First and foremost, bravo to a job well done in this documentary. Second to Mr. Russell Simmons (who was featured in the documentary),you are a hypocrite,and a sell-out. You say”I can’t pick every issue to support” then why did you care more about KFC chickens, and PETA, than the blatant exploitation of beautiful African Women. And to Mr Hill of BET I say as 47yr old father, and a strong God fearing Black man, your channel has been one dimensional for years now and is blocked in my home.”
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So obviously many Blacks recognize and are tired of the slurs used by gangsta rapppers.
Imus went down because the outrage against him was broad based. Whites and blacks. Men and Women. Young and Old. Advertisers respond to broad based outrage.
If one part of an ethnic community (who does not actually watch the rap/hip hop portion of the programming) complains – they are partially offset by the other part of the community that is not outraged (and does actually watch the programming). Advertisers see it as close to a “wash” and they do nothing.
If you are really outraged, instead engaging in knee jerk criticism of Sharpton – contact his organization and tell him:
1. rude hip/hop and rude rock music is offensive to you.
2. you realize that a broad based effort will get the attention of the advertisers.
3. even though you may not be part of the demographic that watches the programs you find offensive – you are part of the demographic that buys the products of the advertisers who finance the program.
4. when he is ready to mobilize and take this on – let him know that he can count on your support.
The commercial reality is that it will take Whites and Blacks, Men and Women, Young and Old to reign in rude rap and rude rock music as well.
Are you in?
April 13th, 2007 at 11:09 amI feel the whole situation has been blown out of porportion. Don is a good man and the people out there condeming him are as pedjudical as they are calling him. The people running their mouths are as much to blame as the rappers. It is NOT ok for the rappers to say “We are using our experiences” that’s BS.
You should all be ashamed for exploiting this man for something that is used every day by the entire world and because you are black, mexicanor whatever race , you should look at yourselves.
Totally Disgusted w/ the whole polical correctness. It’s is BS. Hypocrites all of you.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:27 pmI am familiar with the argument used by some rappers who cite “expressing their experiences” as the reason for why their music is the way it is.
I don’t agree with the argument so you can match my post against whomever on this post said that it was okay. If there is, in fact, a post that actually said that. That should take care of some of the “hypocrisy.”
Last, Imus is not a rap or hip hop artist. He is not a product of the hip hop environment. He is casually familiar with it at best. So this argument that he was “so overcome by the urge to talk ‘gangsta’ that he just couldn’t help himself – and we should understand that” is the true BS.
Jan, if you are truly tired of “political correctness” – why don’t you provide us with a list of racial, sexual and religious insults that you wouldn’t mind directed at you. I will considered myself sufficiently informed and use them (or not) at my discretion.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:50 pm#485 – what makes you think i’m not taking action on this. indeed I am.
thank you for the additional pointers on things to suggest and pursue.
unfortunately – i will NEVER contact SHARPTON for this; he is too ignorant to take on something so broad based in nature.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:08 pmComment by chris — April 13, 2007 @ 1:08 pm
I say Sharpton the other night say that he WAS going to start going after the “gangsta rappers” that use terms like this.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:25 pmDoes anyone hear think that Jewish people would not be insulted by such a “compliment?â€
Comment by Bluedog49 — April 12, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
I’m sure Worfeus would think they shouldn’t be.
Comment by shane — April 12, 2007 @ 9:10 pm
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Thats right.
I think its a safe bet that Jews would not be offended if someone called them nappyheaded.
April 14th, 2007 at 11:33 amYou guys think this isn’t a free speech issue?
Then sit tight.
Over the next six months you will see just how much of a free speech issue this is.
April 14th, 2007 at 11:37 amOver the next six months you will see just how much of a free speech issue this is.
Comment by HE BLORFEUS
It damn sure hasn’t stopped your mouth from running.
April 14th, 2007 at 12:43 pmbring back imus
April 16th, 2007 at 6:48 pm