During CNN Appearance, Al Franken Calls On CNN To Fire Glenn Beck
During CNN Appearance, Al Franken Calls On CNN To Fire Glenn Beck
Appearing last night on CNN’s Larry King Live, Al Franken said that firing Don Imus was the “right decision,” but pointed out that CNN has its own anchor who regularly spews hateful and bigoted remarks.
“CNN has Glenn Beck on,” Franken told King. “Glenn Beck asked my congressman, Keith Ellison, who is the first Muslim to be elected to Congress, you know, I just want to ask you, how do I know that you’re not working with the enemy? … I don’t know why that wasn’t grounds for CNN thinking, well, maybe Glenn Beck shouldn’t be on. I mean, how dare he say that to a congressman who has just been elected?”
King asked Franken, “With a lot of [controversial remarks] going on, are you calling for other dismissals?” Franken said, “No, I’m not. Just Glenn Beck on your network.” Watch it:
Some recent low-lights from Glenn Beck:
The anti-gay slur “faggot” is nothing more than “a naughty name.” [1/23/07]
“[Hillary Clinton is] the stereotypical bitch.” [3/15/07]
“What happened to the Duke lacrosse team was practically a lynching without the rope. And for the first time in my life, Mr. Oreo Cookie without the chocolate on the outside can understand why people celebrated when O.J. Simpson was acquitted.” [1/15/07, using a racial slur for African-Americans that refers to "being black on the outside and white on the inside]
“I wonder if I’m alone in this — you know it took me about a year to start hating the 9-11 victims’ families? Took me about a year.” [9/9/05]
“And that’s all we’re hearing about, are the people in New Orleans. Those are the only ones we’re seeing on television are the scumbags.” [9/9/05]
(HT: My Two Sense)
Transcript:
FRANKEN: Well, the best thing to come out of this was the women from — from the Rutgers team. I thought they were eloquent. I thought they were dignified. I thought it was — I especially loved what one of them said about two — or three of her teammates.
She said, so and so is the big sister I never heard. So and so is the funniest person in the world. And so and so is going to make a great attorney. This guy doesn’t know anything about us.
And I think that just underlined it so well, that this was totally inappropriate, totally wrong. He didn’t know anything about them. And I hope gets the chance to talk to them, and I hope at least something good comes out of this.
You know, I — Ed Schultz was saying that everyone’s talking about this. I was up in Minnesota today with a group of seniors from seven counties. This wasn’t a senior home. This was seniors who were caring about policy. And they are debating global warming and health care, and they were — they weren’t talking about this at all.
It obviously is an important thing, it’s a big thing, but they were talking about things…
KING: Let’s stay — I’ll get to that. But let’s stay with I-Man for a couple of minutes.
FRANKEN: OK. Sure.
KING: Is it forgivable? Should CBS let him stay on?
FRANKEN: You know, it’s — it’s their choice. I think — I think NBC made the right decision. I think cable news is cable news. And he has that position.
I have heard a lot of talk radio — now, I will give you an example. CNN has Glenn Beck on. Glenn Beck asked my congressman, Keith Ellison, who is the first Muslim to be elected to Congress, you know, I just want to ask you, how do I know that you’re not working with the enemy?
And he said that — I think he said it on CNN. But he certainly is — he’s on CNN. I don’t know why that wasn’t grounds for CNN thinking, well, maybe Glenn Beck shouldn’t be on. I mean, how dare he say that to a congressman who has just been elected?
And I hear this kind of thing a lot of time. I monitored a lot of right-wing radio when I was doing my show and before it. And I’ve heard Rush Limbaugh say things that are worse than this.
And so, I don’t know.
KING: Does that make thing then forgivable since others are doing it? You know, if you go, 40, 50 miles an hour, it’s not an excuse if other people do it and they stop you. But should he be at least given some rope? FRANKEN: I don’t know if I buy the analogy, but I’m not glad I’m making this decision. This is up to CBS’ management. Let’s put it that way.
KING: You wouldn’t want to be in the position to have to make it?
FRANKEN: Well, if I were, I would make it, but that’s not my decision, thank you. That’s the answer.
KING: With a lot of it going on, are you calling for other dismissals?
FRANKEN: No, I’m not. Just Glenn Beck on your network.
KING: Just Glenn Beck.
(LAUGHTER)
KING: He’s on “HEADLINE NEWS,” right?
FRANKEN: Well, “HEADLINE NEWS” is part of CNN. And…
KING: Have you been on the Imus show?
FRANKEN: I have. I have been on a couple of times over the years. And, you know, after he did the White House — or no, it wasn’t White House correspondent — it was the Radio and TV Correspondents Dinner.
KING: Yes.
FRANKEN: I criticized him then, so we were on the outs. And, you know, one of the worst parts about this, I think, is that he used the defense it was a joke.
Now, Larry, I know that you loved Lenny Bruce. And Lenny Bruce offended people all the time. But there was always an actual point behind it, right?
KING: Correct. Correct.
FRANKEN: There was a joke. The joke meant something. It was about societal hypocrisy. Whatever it was about.
This was — I don’t get this joke. And I don’t get the idea of having — you k now, as someone who has had a radio show, of having a kind of racist sidekick. Which I guess is what it is.
I don’t listen to Imus enough. But isn’t it — was that the concept of a show, I’m going to have a vaguely racist sidekick?
KING: I don’t think that’s the concept of the show. It covers everything.
FRANKEN: OK. KING: It has major political figures, as you know.
FRANKEN: Yes, I know. I know, and that’s — he’s sort of trying to be a shock jock and be Tim Russert. And that’s a needle you have to thread, and I think it’s threadable. And I guess he just didn’t do it.
He hasn’t done it.
KING: Up next…
FRANKEN: It’s a terrible thing.
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Just call him a racist. No real comment that is racist. But who needs that. That's the Progressive way. Just call them RASIST.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:01 pmIt is indeed hard to see how Glenn Beck still has a job. He has probably been offensive to even more groups of people--not just blacks and women but also Katrina and 9/11 victims.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:02 pmAnd if you think Beck is a racist, you don’t listen to his show. But, you disagree with him so you call him a racist. That’s the Progressive way.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:03 pmdownfall of Imus is just a sign of the times, and we'll soon see him joined by Beck and the rest of "that kind" of commentator.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:06 pmMaybe Franken can go on Beck’s show and debate....Oh wait….You folks don’t debate. In a debate you have to be able to make a valid point. Franken can’t do that if the person can talk back. So like a true progressive he calls him a racist and runs. That’s the Progressive way.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:08 pmAs always, Franken is right on. All of the wingnuts traffic in bigotry, hate and ignorance, it's a critical element to keeping the nitwit 25% (aka the "base") angry and motivated to hate the hippie/commie liberal scum and the unwed mother's that suck off the system and watch Jerry Springer, or whoever it is they're telling the dittoheads to hate this week.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:09 pmNo I've listened to Beck, he's pretty much a racist. Just listen to Franken's example about the wildly ridiculous insinuations Beck made about the Congressman. If the evidence was any clearer it might bite you in the nose.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:11 pmJust as freedom isn't free, "free speech" isn't free.
While a person does and should have the freedom to say nearly anything they want, others do and should have the freedom to fire, boycott, and/or despise them for doing so.
Conservative scumlappers, welcome to America. America is back, with a vengeance.
GOP Jesus says: "Uh oh."
April 12th, 2007 at 8:13 pmKevin, I actually saw Franken debate Bill O'Reilly live on C-Span about three years ago and absolutely destroy him. O'Reilly almost blew a gasket (as he so often does). Did you catch that one, or do facts that don't agree with your reality not count?
April 12th, 2007 at 8:14 pmHey, people, Kevin is trying to say something...hardly.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:15 pmWould somebody please address his remarks?
I see. You progressive are going to use the Imus thing to take out conservative talk shows. No problem. Lie. Call them Racist. We can't make it in talk radio so we will just call them racist and see if we can get them fired. Use the racist lie. That's the Progressive way.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:15 pm#5 "In a debate you have to be able to make a valid point."
April 12th, 2007 at 8:16 pmAl Franken makes valid points by the Bookfull! I hope he makes a point of defeating Norm (stem cell) Coleman for US Senator.
Hey, people, Kevin is trying to say something…hardly.
Would somebody please address his remarks?
Comment by Juan C
Nope. Not me. Kevin's stealing time from his employer, and I don't want to facilitate his corruption. :P
April 12th, 2007 at 8:18 pmHey Kevin your mother is calling you to come in from play for dinner. Get home before it gets dark.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:22 pmKevin and the rest of that ilk (whiny GOP mouth breathers) are not even worth addressing. Let the sun shine in.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:23 pmWasn't there an Ann Coulter bit as well?
April 12th, 2007 at 8:23 pm(Franken vs Coulter)
Holy cow. You are going to be late for......do you even have a job?
April 12th, 2007 at 8:23 pmActually, the racism that the wingnuts on radio spew doesn't bother me as much as the lies and coverup for the criminal Bush administration. The failure of AirAmerica had a lot more to do with being blackballed by like-minded (re: conservative and authoritarian) corproations that didn't appreciate real journalism being done. That would mean that they might be held accountable......can't have that.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:24 pmThe right wing radio guys have been curiously silent here. Maybe they're hoping Imus will be made a scapegoat, and no one will start looking at their stuff.
Not bloody likely.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:25 pmyeah it's time for all the smear merchants 2 go
April 12th, 2007 at 8:27 pmHere is a link to the facts around the blackballing of AirAmerica, including the internal memo from ABC. Hope these additional facts don't screw up your parallel universe.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2983
April 12th, 2007 at 8:29 pmYou're kidding right. You progressive can't agree with them so you want them off the air. Most Conservatives didn't care that Air Amerika was lieing all the time on the air. But you can't deal with it. So lie and get them off the air. That's the Progressive way.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:31 pmFranken did a number on Ann Coulter in his chapter..." How to lie with footnotes."
April 12th, 2007 at 8:32 pmFranken does his homework. His points have backup. And he does it with humor too.
Holy cow. You are going to be late for……do you even have a job?
Comment by Kevin
No Kevin, I don't have a job! Gotta stick to that Liberal Agenda, ya know.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:32 pm"The Conservative Continuum of Hate."
Whether the issue concerns gay Americans, 9/11, abortion, judicial appointments or political corruption, a seamless continuum of hate runs from today's Republican Party through to its most extreme conservative proponents. And that means the GOP differs only in degree - not in kind - from the cartoonish and sometimes criminal likes of Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, Fred Phelps or Eric Rudolph.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:32 pmIts not just the racist comments that Beck makes or the way he questioned Rep. Ellison's patriotism. When he went after the 9/11 widows and victims he really went over the line in my opinion.
He is just a hateful human being who unfortunatly has a forum on a major news network. I guess some people consider him Limbaugh lite since he does this on CNN. The problem is that he has a bigger audience listening to his bile.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:34 pmHe needs to learn the lesson that Imus was just taught. Freedom of speech does not mean Freedom from the Consequences of your excersise of that freedom.
Fire Glenn Beck.
the KKK has the right to march in public in America and Glenn Beck has the right to be publicly stupid and backwards...sorry
April 12th, 2007 at 8:35 pmI like Al Franken. He's brilliant. I hope he runs for Congress.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:36 pmKevin,
You seem so convinced that us "progressives" lie and/or have no real argument. So let's debate.
Here's my first question:
Name three fundamental strengths of today's Republican party? Or, if that's too vague, name three major Bush administration accomplishments?
I'll be waiting patiently for your reasoned response.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:39 pmHe's running for the Senate in Minnesota Zooey. Hope he win! He's running against Coleman.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:40 pmImus wasn't fired because of the Conscience of the Media. He was fired because the $ponsors pulled the plug.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:40 pmWingnut talking points are short-circuiting each other in jock-strap sniffer Kevein here in this thread. Kevein... didn't you get the memo that Imus is a "liberal" America Hater because he voted for Kerry?
April 12th, 2007 at 8:42 pmKevin is obviously one of three people in the US who watch the Glenn Beck show. Shit he's probably one of the two people in the US who watch Tucker Carlson. Gotta love those neocons. They sure pick some weiners to defend. Too funny.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:43 pmWeird, I managed to typo snifferboy's screen name twice in one post. LOL
April 12th, 2007 at 8:43 pmI wouldn't want to draw any conclusions or make any broad-brushed assumptions about the likes of the these rightwingers, but do some digging into Glenn Beck's past. His mother committed suicide when he was a boy, same for Karl Rove. Psychological patterns? Perhaps.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:45 pmThe Republicans traditionally stand for.....Smaller Govt. ....strong National Defense.....Personal Freedom.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:50 pmSo....how's Bush doin????
Is anyone reading Kevin's remarks?
April 12th, 2007 at 8:51 pmI just skip over them, but I catch a phrase here and there -- he is really a pathetic and misinformed brainwashed victim of Fox news.
No Kevin, I don’t have a job! Gotta stick to that Liberal Agenda, ya know.
Comment by Zooey
Heh. :)
April 12th, 2007 at 8:52 pmBadger....precisely. The trolls never engage in an actual debate. As soon as they get challenged they disappear. The hypocrisy seems all the more egregious when every other statement they make claims that the left has no ideas. Well, here we are.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:56 pmAt least Al Franken is trying to say what I've been saying, but is too afraid to damage his career.
Fortunately I am not a professional pundit.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:56 pmSo let me see if I got this straight now.
When I turn on BET and I see 200 black comedians making fun of white people, as well as Indians, Jews, Latino's and Asians, THATS all in "good fun".
But when a talk show host mispeaks using a term which part of can be found in a childrens book, THATS racism.
Ok.
Well lemme right that down.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:59 pmAnd Don Imus has always been a comedy\talk\shockjock show.
In fact, he's known as king of the shockjocks.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:01 pmCorrection.
When a lilly white talk show host .......
April 12th, 2007 at 9:02 pmWorfeus...is that you or have you been Namejacked. You used to be a better Speller.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:03 pmimus is lost his job due to the free market: sponsors pulled out, CBS, MSNBC aren't going to air him for free, he's gone. deal with it kevin. right wing hatred and ignorance just got unprofitable. If you want imus on the air now you are against capitalism, you right-wing commie bastard!
April 12th, 2007 at 9:04 pmWow.. Jews aren't white people?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:05 pmAt least Al Franken is trying to say what I’ve been saying, but is too afraid to damage his career.
Fortunately I am not a professional pundit.
Comment by I WORFEUS
Exactly what I was thinking. He was careful with his words.
Well hopefully Imus gets his problem worked out... I am tired of trying to correct the mob... it would be fun to see the mob turned against Beck and Rush though.... Hell Imus could even feel pretty good in the long run if him taking a hit ended the hate speech of some of the rightwing big hitters... and the rediculous immorality of the gangsta rapers.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:05 pmImus "mispeaks". Remember the time when the Republican right hated when people used weasel words and Clintonian parsing?
When a group of old white men launch racist tirades on a show that is peopled by the Washington elite that is different than the jokes of comedians on a comedy show.
Got it.
-GSD
April 12th, 2007 at 9:06 pmFranken.
Beck.
Discuss. Not Imus, Please.
Worfeus, you refused the invitation of higher discourse to stay on your Imus thread.
Please don't contaminate this one now. You said you were leaving.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:10 pmI am tired of trying to correct the mob…
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr
Then dont. You have been correcting the mob enough.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:10 pmneocon axiom #1 = 99.9% of the people are too stupid to be told the truth. To lead you must lie to them. The so-called virtuous lie (Plato)
neocon axiom #2 = Any government can be overthrown by appealing to the base fears of the people. (Machiavelli)
Republickin axium#1 = Our base is the stupidest of the stupid and the more pathetic and/or ugly the lie, the more our base will buy into it. (Karl Rove, Frank Luntz)
Islamofacists, feminazis, agitators, activists judges, ghetto, terrorist, follow us home, defeatists, integrationists, secular humanist, atheists, war czar, cut off funding for the troops, voter fraud, at the pleasure of the president quotas, reverse racism, happy holidays(anti-Christian), wet back, shadow diplomacy, independent Democrat, one more F.U., the surge is working … [your favorite lie here].
April 12th, 2007 at 9:11 pm#45 - You're right - big jerk Imus lost his job because sponsors hit the road. Period. If big-mouth Al Franken wants Glen Beck gone, have him and and the defunct AirAmerica crowd pressure sponsors to pull out of Beck's show. But I guess since Air America wasn't a successful commercial venture, maybe Franken doesn't know how the business operates....
What is precious is the intolerance of some in the Prog community who continually try to silence those with whom they disagree.....(Hint - Do the Valiants listen to gangsta' rap - not on your life. What is sad is that too many people do listen to that trash.)
April 12th, 2007 at 9:13 pmWhat is precious is the intolerance of some in the Prog community who continually try to silence those with whom they disagree…..(Hint - Do the Valiants listen to gangsta’ rap - not on your life. What is sad is that too many people do listen to that trash.)
Comment by valiant venus
It's that precious? The filthy lying Mighty Hagfish offering advice about morality issues.
Pssst....you might want to step back from this one, Hag.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:16 pmWhere was Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson when Beck suggested a black ELECTED Congressman cannot be trusted not to be but a terrorist?
They never fumed about firing Beck from CNN and cried racism....may be because Congressman Keith Elllison was not Christian, so they are themselves showing prejudice. !!
April 12th, 2007 at 9:17 pmthe libs are gonna gave 2 show the righties how to be decent all over again
April 12th, 2007 at 9:17 pmtheres a couple of houston "rock shock jocks" that i email regularly because they push righty ideas while they play rock tunes. i called them out on it. rockers aren't righties you idiots.
they have toned down their rhetoric because i argue the points they make and show their stupidity to themselves.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 8:59 pm
Wow.. Jews aren’t white people?
Comment by lestatdelc — April 12, 2007 @ 9:05 pm
Thank you for demonstrating how you invent racism and smear someone.
I never said anything of the sort.
Or do comedians NOT make fun of Irish, British, Polish, and other "caucasion" races?
How is distinguishing between the two saying Jews aren't white?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:19 pm#52 Valiant Anus
Listen up Valiant Anus. You seem to post freely here on TP. How much you wanna bet if I go to Red State and express an opposing opinion my post would get deleted. You know not what you talk about. But continue with your standard hypocrisy. We're all used to it. You are basically railing against a progressive society that lets you rant. Way to be a complete weiner valiant anus. Good luck in 08' with that attitude. Too funny.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:19 pm#55 - jeff,
Ted Nugent is super rightwing.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:20 pmJust sayin'
You demonstrate the "witch hunt" is well underway.
You people will foam and froth at the mouth and take this stupid thing to the boil.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:20 pmre #52
"What is precious is the intolerance of some in the Prog community who continually try to silence those with whom they disagree…..(Hint - Do the Valiants listen to gangsta’ rap - not on your life. What is sad is that too many people do listen to that trash.)"
What are you talking about? are you saying the progressives are trying to silence gangtsa rap (that term is soooo 90's by the way)? Are you feeling silenced because people make fun of your posts? If that's the case, you need to get over yourself. this is a community of individuals who communicate with maybe 30 other people at a time, max. Imus was reaching millions of people every day. he was also getting the tacit approval of all those politicians and msm news heads which gave his intolerance, and intolerance in general, a much broader legitimacy than it ever deserved, not to mention that any intolerance and silencing you experience here is completely anonymous and should be a tiny part of your life, unless you really do live in your parent's basement.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:23 pmPlease don’t contaminate this one now. You said you were leaving.
Comment by trueblue — April 12, 2007 @ 9:10 pm
I said I was leaving that thread. This thread came up. Its about the Imus thing. Al Franken is talking about the Imus thing.
I'm sorry. I was not aware you now dictate when and where and how I can comment.
Please provide me with my schedule and the approved script so I can be your mindless automaton.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:23 pmPlease don’t contaminate this one now.
Comment by trueblue — April 12, 2007 @ 9:10 pm
And just how pray tell, is voicing an opposing viewpoint "contaminating" the thread?
We're all free to speak our mind as long as you like what we're saying? Is that it?
How is that mentality, any different than the right wing?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:27 pm"You demonstrate the “witch hunt†is well underway. You people will foam and froth at the mouth and take this stupid thing to the boil."
WORFEUS
If by witch hunt you are referring to ann coulter, where do I buy a license? as to the boiling part of your post, are you really worried that right wing hate speech will vanish from the face of earth?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:27 pmKevin,
If calling someone a racist would effectively shut them up, I'd call you a racist.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:28 pmOk listen up people, new rules.
We only get to debate if we agree with our opponents.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:28 pm#37 Is anyone reading Kevin’s remarks?
Whut?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:29 pmPlease provide me with my schedule and the approved script so I can be your mindless automaton.
Comment by I WORFEUS
Such a nice guy. You have to proof your point above everyone and everything.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:29 pmFranken is such a low life. He outright lied about not knowing anything about the money stolen from the charity and pumped into Air America when HIS SIGNATURE WAS ON THE PAPERWORK!
April 12th, 2007 at 9:30 pmIf by witch hunt you are referring to ann coulter, where do I buy a license? as to the boiling part of your post, are you really worried that right wing hate speech will vanish from the face of earth?
Comment by bob (not the hacker) — April 12, 2007 @ 9:27 pm
I am not sure what you're saying here. I take it the "witch hunt" thing was a joke, right? What I mean by boiling point is something I have lived through.
Race riots.
Once you have lived through one, you'll know why I take this so seriously.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:31 pmAnd I don't mean "watching it" on TV.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:32 pmComment by bob (not the hacker)
When a mob can invent things that are not so.. and crucify someone for it... that is a witch hunt.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:32 pmWhile Franken is correct to criticize Beck, why has he not also condemned his nemesis, O'Reilly, for his less than felicitious remarks? Or Michael Savage or William Bennett or Ann Coulter? All of these people have made inflammatory statements in the past but yet Franken has decided to inexplicably give them a pass regarding their vile statements. If Imus deserves to be dismissed, then these others certainly should not be allowed to vent their venom by the corporate and cable networks.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:33 pmSuch a nice guy. You have to proof your point above everyone and everything.
Comment by Juan C — April 12, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
Oh I'm sorry. Was I supposed to take censorship without dropping a hint of sarcasm?
My bad.
Maybe you and her can get together and provide me with my approved script so I'll know when I speak and what I can say.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:34 pmHave Patrick and the other hitler children now morphed into Kevin?? You have to hand it to the Repigs, they certainly try to fool us with their same people using different names. Very good show. A Rush trick I'm sure?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:36 pmWhen a mob can invent things that are not so.. and crucify someone for it… that is a witch hunt.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — April 12, 2007 @ 9:32 pm
Well stated.
At least someone has the balls to stand up for the facts.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:37 pm#72
Whatever Eggroll. I didn't realize Franken had to go by your agenda. Franken was on CNN so he did the obvious. He talked about Beck, who is also on CNN. Is there a point to your comment Eggroll. Or are you just stirring the sh@t again, trollboy.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:38 pmmark @68, if you're going to throw out accusations, please provide a link to back it up. The rightwing version of the "AirAmerica charity scandal" was fabricated nonsense, like most of the rest of their versions of....everything.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:38 pmI'm quite frankly shocked by talk of silencing people by liberals. Listening to people like Beck brings anti-social attitudes to the light? It's theraputic for society.Beck is the left's best friend.
Does a Phsychologist get his/her patient to advance and bring to consciousness their issues by burrying them(silencing them), or verbally revealing them.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:40 pmHas no one ever said about someone...... "thats one tough mutherfu$#$er?"
When you say that, are you implying that person has intercourse with his mom?
Or are you saying his is a bad ass?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:41 pmMaybe you and her can get together and provide me with my approved script so I’ll know when I speak and what I can say.
Comment by I WORFEUS
Please, do point in which way you can be forced to speak about an issue by not-owners of the blog.
You are a smart guy. I wouldnt shut up either if I had a point to make, but to defend that point for 3 days straight, seems that you want to convince yourself instead of others. Furthermore, you have to pound people to the ground (which you do good) in order to make your point, sometimes it is OK, but with people you know here, that probably havent the same skills that you, is just sad. You dont have the necessity of answering her like you just did, but you have to. You relentlessly have to.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:41 pmAnyone ever called someone a "tough son of a bitch"?
When you do, are you implying that persons mom is a female dog in heat?
Or are you saying he is a bad ass?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:43 pm#78
Thanks for playing the troll game.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:45 pmMaybe you and her can get together and provide me with my approved script so I’ll know when I speak and what I can say.
Comment by I WORFEUS
At the risk of having you go off on me too, I really think it's unnecessary to attack trueblue and Juan. We're all on the same side here, we just don't happen to all think exactly alike.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:45 pmre 69
yes, the witch hunt thing was a joke, this isn't a witch hunt, at best it's media feeding frenzy, something the "I Dude" has gleefully participated in many times in his long and storied career. (see 'the clinton years") your race riot comment is confusing: how can standing up to rich white guys who spew racial hatred cause race riots? are you worried that whites are going to attack black people? are you worried that black people are going to suddenly feel empowered now that the yoke of oppression has been lifted and attack whitey?
re 71
If this latest incident had been an isolated case you would have a stronger argument. check out this link:
http://www.nabj.org/front/story/53032p-81736c.html
April 12th, 2007 at 9:45 pmThe failure of AirAmerica had a lot more to do with being blackballed by like-minded (re: conservative and authoritarian) corproations that didn’t appreciate real journalism being done. That would mean that they might be held accountable……can’t have that.
Comment by Jay — April 12, 2007 @ 8:24 pm
Air America is alive and well. They are on XM Satellite Radio and will be on Sirius now that they're merging. Go to their website and check the schedule since they might have changed local stations where you live. They have a new owner.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:45 pmYou are a smart guy. I wouldnt shut up either if I had a point to make, but to defend that point for 3 days straight,
Comment by Juan C — April 12, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
You mean like Al Sharpton and the media prosecuting that point for more than 3 days straight?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:46 pmDoes a Phsychologist get his/her patient to advance and bring to consciousness their issues by burrying them(silencing them), or verbally revealing them.
Comment by a citizen
After crossing a certain line now you are like those people in Rwanda that was on the radio giving out the addresses of people that were not acceptable....
April 12th, 2007 at 9:46 pm[...] Al Franken gets the ball rolling! Alphabetically, of course. • • • [...]
April 12th, 2007 at 9:47 pma citizen, I'll bet you're shocked. Beck's schtick is theraputic to society? Beck follows the same script as Hannity, Gallagher, Prager, Limbaugh and the rest of the Heritage Foundation, Scaife/Coors/Mellon/Moonie funded wingnut machinery. Please give is a rest with how he's bringing "anti-social" attitudes to light", he's playing directly from the fascist playbook.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:47 pmBut let me see if I've got your drift.
I made my point, and even though people are actively refuting it, I can no longer respond because you and Trueblue are tired of any view other than the popular one, or at least one that agrees with you.
Pretty warm am I?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:47 pmIf Franken chooses to run for the Senate, he will come under INTENSE Public Scrutiny. Let the chips fall where they will, but I'm betting the charges against him are Bogus. And Imus chose to make his inopportune remarks re: the Final 4 of the womens NCAA basketball tournament. What was he thinking????
April 12th, 2007 at 9:48 pmHey reich wing trolls. Corporate America silenced Imus. Once the sponsors left, msnbc and cbs radio had no choice but to pull Imus. But keep up your talking points trolls. You look like a bunch of dummies.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:49 pmyes, the witch hunt thing was a joke, this isn’t a witch hunt, at best it’s media feeding frenzy,
Comment by bob (not the hacker) — April 12, 2007 @ 9:45 pm
No. For Sharpton and many others its a witch hunt.
You watch. I am betting within 3 weeks we will see a new scapegoat rise up.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:49 pmEat shit Topper#82, My opinion. Tough crap for you.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:50 pmWORFEUS,
Stop being disigenious. motherfuck#r and tough son of a bitch are both part our our accepted lexicon and everyone knows exactly what they mean. when did nappy headed ho attain that same level of recognition? or can I just call your mom a "VD ridden crack whore" and assume that you know I mean she bakes nice cookies?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:51 pmYou mean like Al Sharpton and the media prosecuting that point for more than 3 days straight?
Comment by I WORFEUS
Do people call me Al Sharpton? No.
If Bush throw bombs, what dont you either, right?
I dont agree with politicizing (?) a racial issue. It is a culture, social problem, not a political one. I agree with you on that.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:51 pmshane, I didn't realize that they were still alive and kicking since they got booted from the airwaves in Boston. That was very discouraging. Glad to hear that they're going to try to make their way on satellite radio and I will check the AA website.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:51 pm#90
Franken has been attacked by the right for years. Nothing new. He not only will win in Minnesota, but he will pound the sh@t out of Coleman. That's guaranted.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:53 pm: how can standing up to rich white guys who spew racial hatred cause race riots?
Comment by bob (not the hacker) — April 12, 2007 @ 9:45 pm
How is fanning the fires of racism, inventing racism where none was intended and hanging an old cowboy hat wearing white guy for something that was never meant to be mean, how is that going to cause race riots?
Racial tensions are tight in the inner city right now. With summer coming up we are going to see tensions rise with the heat. So the last thing we need to do is stir up racial relations more by accusing a man of racist intentions when none were there.
It is not only wrong, its universally stupid.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:53 pmI made my point, and even though people are actively refuting it, I can no longer respond because you and Trueblue are tired of any view other than the popular one, or at least one that agrees with you.
Comment by I WORFEUS
Please, stop with the "mob" and the "popular view", etc. I think you and Gerald know us long enough to call us (or so it seems) like that. And we havent answered agressively against that.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:54 pmI made my point, and even though people are actively refuting it, I can no longer respond because you and Trueblue are tired of any view other than the popular one, or at least one that agrees with you.
Pretty warm am I?
Comment by I WORFEUS
Is this comment directed at me, Worfeus?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:54 pmIm off. Play nice, please.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:55 pmFranken just needs to ask the good people of Minnesota to read "The Truth with Jokes", that should be enough to convince anyone of his intentions, his heart and his knowledge. I strongly recommend it.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:55 pmRe # 93
Sharpton is seizing the opportunity to point out racism in the MSM, good for him. If he goes after some other racist loudmouths who have the backing of big money corps. great.
I bet that within three weeks, Imus will be on satellite radio doing the sam exact thing.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:56 pmAt the risk of having you go off on me too, I really think it’s unnecessary to attack trueblue and Juan. We’re all on the same side here, we just don’t happen to all think exactly alike.
Comment by Zooey — April 12, 2007 @ 9:45 pm
No, I won't go off on you Zooey, and I didn't go off on them.
I "responded' to them.
You know me. You know how I talk and you know usually people attribute more malice to my sarcasm than ever was intended.
Kinda like everyones attributing more malice to Imus's comments than ever was intended.
I am doing what I do best. Standing up for the truth.
And sometimes thats not the "popular" thing to do.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:58 pm#93 Eat shit Topper#82, My opinion. Tough crap
Your obsession with fecal matter is disturbing. But, since you're a neocon troll that explains a lot. Me thinks you're used to rolling around in it. By the way citizen, how big is Ann Coulter's penis? Is it bigger than her adams apple.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:58 pmIs this comment directed at me, Worfeus?
Comment by Zooey — April 12, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
No. That was to Juan.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:58 pmPlease, stop with the “mob†and the “popular viewâ€, etc. I think you and Gerald know us long enough to call us (or so it seems) like that.
Comment by Juan C — April 12, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
Ok. Fair enough.
And I assume you will stop trying to dictate when, where and how I speak?
Cool?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:00 pmAnd sometimes thats not the “popular†thing to do.
Comment by I WORFEUS
Yes, I know how you speak, and I respect that. Some of your responses have been a bit caustic, and that can sting sometimes. Speak the truth, always speak the truth Worfeus, but at the same time be aware of who is on your team.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:04 pmNot many people are willing to stand up on this one. Its so racially charged thanks to Al Sharpton and others, that most white pundits and newscasters don't want to touch it other to nod their heads like bobbleheaded dogs in agreement with whatever their black guests say.
Gerald is, and so is Sharon. Sharon, mild mannered Sharon, came into 3 threads now just to voice her agreement with me on this one.
Yesterday True voice her agreement with me, as did Zooey, as did Gregor and many others.
This is a blog and we debate ideas in here. We get the discussion going. I am not the only one talking and it is unfair to single me out, just because I remain steadfast to my position and respond to each and every challange.
I'm not a troll. Trolls don't respond to challenges to their logic. I do.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:07 pmre 71
If this latest incident had been an isolated case you would have a stronger argument. check out this link:
http://www.nabj.org/ front/ story/ 53032p-81736c.html
Comment by bob (not the hacker)
So what? He is a crotchedy old jerk... that has been his way for along time... he doesnt act sickened by blacks... he doesnt act like he wants to harm them... he is simply insulting to everyone...
April 12th, 2007 at 10:08 pmSome of your responses have been a bit caustic, and that can sting sometimes.
Comment by Zooey — April 12, 2007 @ 10:04 pm
Being called a racist sexist pig by some of my "team members" can cause that.
But I have no problem with Juan, True or you.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:10 pmFunny that all of the corporate types that I know are politically correct at work, never say or do anything offensive at work, as per their employee agreement and zero tolerance rules. Nearly every single one is a conservative Republican and is what "I" would consider racist, sexist, etc. in their personal opinions. Silencing people doesn't do much good. It is still there.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:11 pm#107
I'll put it this way. Imus works for a corporation. He said the wrong thing, sponsors pulled out. He got fired, end of story. That's it. The rest is a discussion.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:12 pmthere's no freakin' way this is the real deal. No way. This is a set up. It
stinks to high hell like the sh*t stain known as the republican party.
No way Imus gets the big boot while the rest of them collect their $200
while they hop, skip and jump past go. This is another straight up grift.
No freakin way. If two weeks ago you were asked - who, out of all the
the barking heads, should be taken down - would anyone have said Imus?
No way...
It's just not all right. Any of it...
April 12th, 2007 at 10:13 pm#107
I’ll put it this way. Imus works for a corporation. He said the wrong thing, sponsors pulled out. He got fired, end of story.
Comment by Topper Harley — April 12, 2007 @ 10:12 pm
If Al Sharpton and people like him would leave it alone, it would be the end of the story.
I am not the one promoting it here. Tell it to the media.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:16 pmagree alp3, #112,there is something Martha Stewartish bout this
April 12th, 2007 at 10:17 pmBut I have no problem with Juan, True or you.
Comment by I WORFEUS
Peace.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:17 pm#113
The media need something to talk about besides Iraq. Shit, they spent two months milking the bubble headed bleach blonde's death. Do what I do. Watch the BBC and ignore the msm.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:19 pmOh Boy.
So I was talking to my step-father, who listens to Imus. He was mad enough to send an email to MSNBC in his support. I told him I never listened to Imus or watched TV. He said, Imus speaks his mind and has a right to free speech.
Okay, I said.
The he went on about the truckers who spoke spanish over the CB (he has one in RV) and how he told them this was America and they should speak english.
I reminded him they had the right to free speech and could speak Hebrew or Spanish or Italian if they wanted too.
Needless to say it didn't go over very well.
Well hell, he said, they fired Imus for his free speech.
Yes they did, I said, but you can't want free speech for Imus and not the people on the CB radio.
Then they should fire the truckers, he said.
But they were speaking in spanish to each other and not about you being a nappy headed ho, I said.
Well, I liked Imus, he said, he spoke his mind.
Yes, he spoke his mind, I said, you don't go around calling people
nappy headed hos do you?
Of course not, he said.
But if you did you might offend people?, I said.
Well hell yeah!, he said.
But in your business, I said, you couldn't offend people?
Hell no, he said, they'd fire me.
Oh. I said.
So it's not so much about racism but speaking ones mind.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:21 pmAnd we all know speaking ones mind is not always a good thing.
The media need something to talk about besides Iraq. Shit, they spent two months milking the bubble headed bleach blonde’s death. Do what I do. Watch the BBC and ignore the msm.
Comment by Topper Harley — April 12, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
I do like the BBC.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:27 pmSo it’s not so much about racism but speaking ones mind.
Comment by Zep Tepi — April 12, 2007 @ 10:21 pm
Agreed.
Now how do we get that message to Al Sharpton?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:29 pmIs Kevin the new Jake?
Or, has Mighty Aphrodite grown a sac and suffered a reduction in writing skills?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:33 pmAnd we all know speaking ones mind is not always a good thing.
Comment by Zep Tepi — April 12, 2007 @ 10:21 pm
Of course once more let me make the distinction that his "mind" was to pay a compliment Tennessee on beating such a fierce team as Rutgers.
We must not obscure that fact, just because the main stream media and Al Sharpton, or the coach of the team has.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:34 pmImus was one of you, a leftie. He helped keep blacks down. All you lefties do an excellent job of keeping blacks as slaves and then foster your own self-hatred and hatred of others by accusing others of the same. When on January 20, 2009 Newt Gingrich becomes our next president, I am looking forward to the event that, like the previous kool-aid drinkers, you'll commit a mass suicide in despair. *smiles*
April 12th, 2007 at 10:35 pm#121 When on January 20, 2009 Newt Gingrich becomes our next president
Comment by Bedford the Great
Kindbud season must have come early where you live. Jeebus, another jester in King George's court.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:41 pmHey, I WORFEUS, where do you get the idea that, since it's getting hotter, "tensions" are rising among inner-city (code word for black) people and that they're about to erupt into rioting any day now since it's almost summertime? Get off your high horse and get over yourself.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:42 pmNow how do we get that message to Al Sharpton?
Comment by I WORFEUS
I have no idea, even if he read my post, I doubt he would change his mind any more than Dubya will change his mind about this war. Surely some will agree with Sharpton and some not, just as with George.
We can only, I think, hope to appeal to his, and Georges, rational side.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:42 pmHey, I WORFEUS, where do you get the idea that, since it’s getting hotter, “tensions†are rising among inner-city (code word for black) people and that they’re about to erupt into rioting any day now since it’s almost summertime? Get off your high horse and get over yourself.
Comment by Cletus Van Damme — April 12, 2007 @ 10:42 pm
Blow me.
And shove your ignorant inbred twist of my words up your ass.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:44 pmWell what else could you have possibly meant by that ignorant comment?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:48 pmNewt Gingrich becomes our next president, I am looking forward to the event that, like the previous kool-aid drinkers, you’ll commit a mass suicide in despair. *smiles*
Comment by Bedford the Great
Why not just run OJ for the republican nomination? hehahahehahea
April 12th, 2007 at 10:49 pmImus was one of you, a leftie. He helped keep blacks down. All you lefties do an excellent job of keeping blacks as slaves and then foster your own self-hatred and hatred of others by accusing others of the same. -Bedford
But Imus was a rightie and Sharpton a leftie. How is calling someone a nappy headed ho raise help blacks? How does Sharpton calling Imus a racist help blacks? How does this bias BS help anyone?
Your assuming that I am, because of posting on an internet site, a leftie and assuming I have self hate and hate of others. If you read what I said you will find out that I can tell the difference between ideology and hate.
You however seem to hold alot of bias simply because of the leanings of left right ideology.
I think Fords suck. I think Dodge sucks and if you don't like either one your full of self hate and hatred of others because of what they drive.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:49 pmWell what else could you have possibly meant by that ignorant comment?
Comment by Cletus Van Damme
I didnt know there was such a lack of imagination on the left...
April 12th, 2007 at 10:51 pmDon't Laugh at Al Franken
April 12th, 2007 at 10:51 pmTime/Ana Marie Cox
Thursday, Apr. 05, 2007
{...}
Drake says the jokes get at a "larger truth" about Franken: he's got an anger issue. He once literally tackled a stubborn heckler at a Howard Dean rally after the security staff failed to eject the man. And at the 2003 White House correspondents' dinner, he greeted Karl Rove with the words "I hate you." (Franken has said they just "gibed each other a little.")
{...}
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test(y)
And Imus is out...oh jes, justice has been served.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:51 pmJust call him a racist. No real comment that is racist. But who needs that. That’s the Progressive way. Just call them RASIST.
Comment by Kevin #1
...you good 'ol boys know what you are...
...but because you're not "RECRUITING" as heavily as you'd like...
...and because you're actually getting the BACKLASH you deserve...
...now YOU are the "victims"...
...REAL Americans want to move this country forward...
...and until we're rid of you confederate flag loving, White man firsters...
...we're stuck in a Sunni-Shiia triangle of our own...
...just not as violent...
...yet...
April 12th, 2007 at 10:53 pmWell what else could you have possibly meant by that ignorant comment?
Comment by Cletus Van Dumme — April 12, 2007 @ 10:48 pm
The Washignton DC publicizes crime statistics.
Fact.
Race related crimes CLIMB in the summer months.
So do lots of violent crimes.
Which is why blowing a intentionally benign comment out of proportion as as race hate speech, is a crime in and of itself.
When you take offense, where no offense is intended, you become the offender.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:54 pmRight I mean, if I'm not on the right I absolutely have to be on the left. There is only black & white, right & left, yeah? Talk about lack of imagination.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:54 pm[...] Transcript: (more…) [...]
April 12th, 2007 at 10:56 pmRight I mean, if I’m not on the right I absolutely have to be on the left. There is only black & white, right & left, yeah? Talk about lack of imagination.
Comment by Cletus Van Dammed — April 12, 2007 @ 10:54 pm
Just like if I refuse to jump on the lynch Don Imus bandwagon, that makes me racist.
Right?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:56 pm#76- Topper Hartley
You ask "Is there a point to my comment..."? Did you actually bother to read the post cited by Think Progress? In it, Larry King asks Franken "Are you calling for other dismissals"? Franken replies "No, I'm not." I was responding to what Franken had said to Larry King. Apparently, not the tinniest amount of criticism is to be tolerated of a liberal icon without running the risk of being labeled a "trollboy." You do not offer a very compelling argument when you engage in needless ad hominem attacks.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:56 pmSo basically, crime just climbs in the summer right? I guess people don't want to slip on ice running from a robbery what not. I don't know. I still don't see what you original point has to do with the price of tea in china, or a guy getting fired because people don't like a racist. Thanks for that little axiom there though, although I wasn't offended. Just confused over something that sounds pretty damn pointless.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:59 pmJust call him a racist. No real comment that is racist. But who needs that. That’s the Progressive way. Just call them RASIST.
Comment by Kevin #1
Actually this has to do with money. Three of the major sponsors of MSNBC threatened to pull their funding (ads etc)
Imus screwed with the money. And you don't screw with the income of the people that are paying you. It's coporate media.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:59 pmListen, I WORFEUS, I never said you were racist. Listen to your own "he who takes offence..." bullshit pearl of wisdom. All I was saying was your original comment was dumb as shit in my opinion.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:00 pmSo basically, crime just climbs in the summer right?
It's pretty well known that heat makes people irritable.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:02 pmListen to your own “he who takes offence…†bullshit pearl of wisdom. All I was saying was your original comment was dumb as shit
Comment by Cletus Van Dim — April 12, 2007 @ 11:00 pm
Yea.
Why would I take offense at that?
April 12th, 2007 at 11:02 pmBeats me. I guess you're just a sensitive guy.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:06 pmAll I was saying was your original comment was dumb as shit in my opinion.
Comment by Cletus Van Damme — April 12, 2007 @ 11:00 pm
That wasn't my "original comment".
It was you paraphrasing my comment and rewriting it to fit your meaning.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:06 pmBeats me. I guess you’re just a sensitive guy.
Comment by Cletus Dumb as Shit — April 12, 2007 @ 11:06 pm
Yea. I should like you calling my words dumb as shit, huh shithead?
April 12th, 2007 at 11:07 pmIt’s pretty well known that heat makes people irritable.
Comment by Zep Tepi #140
...poverty, hopelessness and heat...
...can make people...
...violently psychotic...
April 12th, 2007 at 11:07 pmListen, I WORFEUS, I never said you were racist.
Comment by Cletus Van Dimwit — April 12, 2007 @ 11:00 pm
No jackass.
You implied it.
READ your words.
Hey, I WORFEUS, where do you get the idea that, since it’s getting hotter, “tensions†are rising among inner-city (code word for black)
Comment by Cletus Van Dickhead — April 12, 2007 @ 10:42 pm
April 12th, 2007 at 11:09 pmNo, you should probably "not like that." And so what if I think your opinions are shit. Get over it.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:11 pmSo basically, crime just climbs in the summer right?
Comment by Cletus Van Deadhead — April 12, 2007 @ 10:59 pm
What do you live under a rock?
You've never seen Metropolitian Police crime statistics which clearly show an overwhelming increase in violent crime during the hottest summer months?
Better stop talking and start reading.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:11 pmNo. You assume I was implying you were racist. If I wanted to call you a racist I would have said:
Hey, I WORFEUS, quit being a god damned racist.
I just think "inner city" in general is just a lame word that everyone uses when they really just mean poor black people.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:13 pmbut he will pound the sh@t out of Coleman. That’s guaranted.
Comment by Topper Harley — April 12, 2007 @ 9:53 pm
I think you're probably right. I saw Coleman on C-Span today. What an idiot. I'd love to see them debate even if I have to go to Minnesota to do it.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:16 pmSo basically, crime just climbs in the summer right?
Comment by Cletus Van Deadhead — April 12, 2007 @ 10:59 pm
What do you live under a rock?
You’ve never seen Metropolitian Police crime statistics which clearly show an overwhelming increase in violent crime during the hottest summer months?
Better stop talking and start reading.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 12, 2007 @ 11:11 pm
So.. basically crime generally climbs during the summer, basically what I just said. How is what you just said any different? What in the hell was the point of this comment? Again with your shitty words. I don't like them, get new ones.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:16 pmNo, you should probably “not like that.†And so what if I think your opinions are shit. Get over it.
Comment by Cletus Van Dorke— April 12, 2007 @ 11:11 pm
I am over jackass. Its you who keeps running your mouth.
And its you who had to shoot your mouth off in the first place and attacked me.
If you don't like my responses, then quit running your mouth to me.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:24 pmWhen on January 20, 2009 Newt Gingrich becomes our next president, I am looking forward to the event that, like the previous kool-aid drinkers, you’ll commit a mass suicide in despair. *smiles*
Comment by Bedford the Great — April 12, 2007 @ 10:35 pm
On the glorious day Newt becomes President pigs will be flying and they'll have ice cubes in hell. Dream on bubba, dream on.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:24 pmWhen do we all get together and start burning the rap CDs?
April 12th, 2007 at 11:45 pmWhen do we all get together and start burning the rap CDs?
Comment by muckdog — April 12, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
When you start making them - bigot.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:03 amMany times I have posted the comment that the right wing inbred racists/Bushites are YOUR:
family members
friends
neighbors
co-workers
Imus KNEW that HIS sidekick...
...the one who made the "Jigaboo" remark (among other callous racist remarks this guy-don't care to know his name- has made many times before)...
...is a racist, but Imus kept him on...
...this guy geeked Imus up with that "Jigaboo" comment, and is ultimately responsible for Imus' stupidity...
...Karma is what got Imus...
...because like your Mom and Dad told ya...
..."you ARE the company you keep"...
As for the rappers:
...Sony, Viacom, RCA, Arista...
...they ALL make the dollars and perpetuate these racist, self-hating, sexist,homophobic stereotypes...
...by selling 80% of the rappers' product to WHITE males...
...the big wigs at the record companies won't promote:
Christian rap
politically conscious rap
or any other "positive" rap
...rap is the NEW Black-face/ minstrel show...
April 13th, 2007 at 12:12 amCNN must fire Glenn Beck and the sponsor of Rush Limbaugh's radio program must fire him too.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:23 amFunny how HARDCORE GANGSTA RAP...
...was predominately sold "underground"...
...until the Bushites took control of the FCC...
...under Colin Powell's son...
...it certainly skyrocketed into mainstream prominence (BIG $$$s) ...
...under the 108th and 109th Repulsivescum led Congresses...
...hmmm...
April 13th, 2007 at 12:36 am"It is indeed hard to see how Glenn Beck still has a job. He has probably been offensive to even more groups of people–not just blacks and women but also Katrina and 9/11 victims.
Comment by Lora — April 12, 2007"
Care to provide just ONE example?
April 13th, 2007 at 12:57 am"No I’ve listened to Beck, he’s pretty much a racist.
Comment by Jay — April 12, 2007"
How about an example?
April 13th, 2007 at 12:59 am"Actually, the racism that the wingnuts on radio spew doesn’t bother me as much as the lies and coverup for the criminal Bush administration. The failure of AirAmerica had a lot more to do with being blackballed by like-minded (re: conservative and authoritarian) corproations that didn’t appreciate real journalism being done. That would mean that they might be held accountable……can’t have that.
Comment by Jay — April 12, 2007"
Pretty stupid statement unless you can back it up? I won't be holding my breath!
April 13th, 2007 at 1:02 am"The right wing radio guys have been curiously silent here. Maybe they’re hoping Imus will be made a scapegoat, and no one will start looking at their stuff.
Not bloody likely.
Comment by Janeane The Acerbic Goblin"
Silent? We have nothing to do with Imus, He's a stupid liberal! You're stuck with him!
April 13th, 2007 at 1:04 amWORFEUS
Several respected regulars have gone out of their way to tap dance around you, so you must have some long-term worth on TP.
On the other hand, my familiarity with you only goes over the last couple days, and from where I sit, you're obnoxious, petulant, and self-absorbed. How many hundreds of times do you need to make your point? Your overwhelming need for validation is showing.
You turned this thread into the I WORFEUS thread. You must account for about a third of the posts on this thread, all pretty much without expanding the content beyond the point you made abundantly yesterday. As someone else said many, many posts back .... get over yourself.
You've gone on about how your style is to pursue the truth. Fine. I'm telling the truth here. You going to rip into me for doing it?
Take a deep breath and reset your perspectives, man. The world doesn't revolve around you. (Alas, it seems to revolve around blowhards like Imus and Sharpton these days, more's the pity.)
April 13th, 2007 at 1:05 amLet's get back to Glenn Beck? You will NEVER get him fired! He's the best thing that has happened to CNN only you're too stupid to realize it!
April 13th, 2007 at 1:06 amHe has probably been offensive to even more groups of people–not just blacks and women but also Katrina and 9/11 victims.
Comment by Lora — April 12, 2007″
Care to provide just ONE example?
Comment by michael #159
...she provided two...
April 13th, 2007 at 1:07 amHere's proof enough, #161, but hey, this is just liberal bias speaking, eh?
April 13th, 2007 at 1:10 amYes, it's funny how you righties expose your true colors by the company you keep, the idols you worship such as the Most Holy Glenn Beck...
April 13th, 2007 at 1:13 amKevin please take your head out of your cold republican heart. This is about treating people with dignity. Beck is a stupid man who some how lucked into a job as a what ever he is. What ever he is, he should be fired also, for his insensitive remarks!
April 13th, 2007 at 1:29 amYou're kidding, right? Or have you inhaled so many glue vapors that you're apprehension is that limited? Or do you have advanced Alzheimers?
Read the article AGAIN. You'll find all the examples you need. And stop forcing the rest of us to endure your permanent need for remedial education. The rest of us only need to be educated once.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:40 amLet’s get back to Glenn Beck? You will NEVER get him fired! He’s the best thing that has happened to CNN only you’re too stupid to realize it!
Comment by michael — April 13, 2007 @ 1:06 am
Ever considered thinking?
April 13th, 2007 at 1:42 amLet’s get back to Glenn Beck? You will NEVER get him fired! He’s the best thing that has happened to CNN only you’re too stupid to realize it! Comment by michael — April 13, 2007 @ 1:06 am
If by best thing, you mean biggest embarrasment. Maybe you're right. By that logic, you would be the 'best thing' to happen to the GOP. Then again, I'm just happy you wackos are there, otherwise liberals wouldn't have won 2006 with the first election to NOT LOSE A SINGLE SEAT by a democrat in decades...
You're the 'best' michael, the best example of a brain damaged partisan that shows why you guys aren't qualified to pick oranges, let alone run governments.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:16 amComment by michael — April 13, 2007 @ 1:06 am
Ever considered thinking?
Comment by dtom21_insurgent.USA — April 13, 2007 @ 1:42 am
You'll get a more coherent answer from a cocker spaniel, than you will from michael.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:17 amSilent? We have nothing to do with Imus, He’s a stupid liberal! You’re stuck with him! Comment by michael — April 13, 2007 @ 1:04 am
Imus is a right wing libertarian, that dared question bush on a couple of occasions. Can't have your wingnuts range to far from the ranch, can you wingnut?
April 13th, 2007 at 2:18 amPretty stupid statement unless you can back it up? I won’t be holding my breath! Comment by michael — April 13, 2007 @ 1:02 am
What's st*pid is that you need examples of wingnut bigotry, considering you spew it yourself - bigot.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:19 amI'm not going to slam Franken for going on the Imus show, that's reaching a little bit, however it's somewhat disingenuous to call for Beck's firing and not Imus, saying "it's up to NBC".
April 13th, 2007 at 3:39 amI also noticed Franken is unfortunately sounding like a typical politician, carefully measuring his words, avoiding taking a stand on Imus, being too calculating. In fact, a lot of public figures ignored the racist comments Imus made over his long career, and didn't have a problem with him, until this story spread all over the media.
You turned this thread into the I WORFEUS thread.
Comment by gorn by any other name — April 13, 2007 @ 1:05 am
No. If this is the I WORFEUS thread then its people like you turned this post in that, by your obsession with attacking me and trying to belittle my words or my character.
I merely responded to your attacks.
If you don't want it to be about "me" as you put it, then try this wise guy.
Try not talking to, or about me.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:08 amYou must account for about a third of the posts on this thread
Comment by thorn by any other name — April 13, 2007 @ 1:05 am
And the other two thirds is people like you attacking the messenger because you can't attack the message.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:09 amAs someone else said many, many posts back …. get over yourself.
Comment by corn by any other name — April 13, 2007 @ 1:05 am
It is you who apparently need to "get over" myself.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:11 amThe world doesn’t revolve around you.
Comment by porn by any other name — April 13, 2007 @ 1:05 am
No.
But apparently you do.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:12 amfrom where I sit, you’re obnoxious, petulant, and self-absorbed
Comment by scorn by any other name — April 13, 2007 @ 1:05 am
Then I take it you are sitting in front of a mirror?
April 13th, 2007 at 4:17 amHow many hundreds of times do you need to make your point?
Comment by torn by any other name — April 13, 2007 @ 1:05 am
As many times as people chose to challenge me on it I imagine.
I don't tolerate pompous blowhards who want to sound erudite and "above the fray", while meanwhile they hit and run like little weasals, but never bother to stay and address the issues. They just try to sound smart.
Like you.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:22 amWhen you're done attacking the messenger, and you're ready to address the issues, then mayne you'll learn something. In the meantime don't come crying to me when you don't like it when I respond to yours, or others stupid insults while never addressing the facts.
Until people realize this is another Red Herring, an "Al Sharpton" fish tale if you will, designed perhaps with good intentions, that is to further the cause of racial healing, but in doing so ended up smearing a man, and accusing him of something he did not do, then this national debacle of protests and demonstrations that were planned. You'd think it was 1950's Alabama and you guys were the freedom marchers, instead of one 70 year old shock jock saying something stupid in passing.
You had a right to get mad. I got mad. Then he apologized the next day and explained he meant no harm. Big people, you know, adults, at that point accept the apology and move on.
But instead we crucified him, and cost him his job and painted him into the anti-christ. What we did to him was terrible, and disgusting. It was a witch hunt and we burned our warlock at the stake.
And theres nothing about that which you will be able to understand, until you come to grips with the TWO LIES that blew this whole thing into the debacle it is today and that were propagated by the mainstream media and opportunity grabbing hate mongerers.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:51 amThe concept is similar when considering the war in Iraq.
Once you understand the war is built on a lie, then suddenly you realize that all that needs to happen now is to end it, and bring the soldiers home.
And once you understand that this overwhelming public outcry against Imus was built on two specific lies, then you'll see that the story was over the next day when he apologized.
It was the 2 lies that kept it going beyond that.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:56 amThe 2 Lies, once more.
LIE #1. Imus intended to insult one or both teams.
LIE #2. Imus had racist intentions in making the comment.
Once you grasp this, then you will see the story was over the day after when he apologized.
Once you grasp this, then you'll see the damage Al Sharpton and the media are doing.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:04 amDon Imus is not a racist, but he plays one on TV.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:11 amI want to comment on the firing of Imus. I do feel that his comments were very cruel and the out rage by the American public is a good sign. Imus has made his career catering to a group of like minded people. I also do have some compassion for Imus. His bigotry has destroyed his career. He has done many good things for sick children and we must remember that. Please as we raise our voices about this terrible affair, we must also show some compassion for the man. The compassion for another human being he lacks because of his personal bigotry. Hopefully Imus will become a better person.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:40 amThe Imus flap is proof that the people to go after are the advertisers. The lag by the corporations, regardless of thier protestations of ethics was the advertiser exit. I am making a list of Beck's advertisers and will boycott all of them and urge others to do the same. Capitalism is hit them in the pocketbook!!!!!!
April 13th, 2007 at 7:31 amFirst of all, big papa, why do you feel that you need to make your posts gigantic and bold with a bunch of space in between every line? can you tone that down a little, please?
Second of all, the "jigaboo" line said by Bernard was a direct reference to a Spike Lee film (which they mentioned on air): School Daze.
And as far as positive rap goes (Christian rap?), it generally sucks, that's why it isn't promoted. Now, please don't go citing Mos Def as being good; you know his last 2 albums were atrocious.
I think that what makes rap music popular is the beats, and how well they work in a club. The top ten rap songs right now all have club-banger beats. Positive rap songs have crappy beats (over-generalization). All you need is a danceable beat and a catchy hook (e.g. MIMS).
Don't make it out like the record industry"big wigs" are intentionally keeping positive rap down for any other reason than $$$; they don't promote it because it doesn't sell.
April 13th, 2007 at 9:13 amHas anyone actually listened to Imus recently? He actually had some comments about Cheney being a war criminal and the Bush administration being the most incompetent ever.
Personally I think this might be a rightwing hit job and they used Jackson and Sharpton to do the hit. Let's face it, there are a whole lot more people on the air that say much more dispicable and racist things than Imus did. But those people still preach the party line.
April 13th, 2007 at 9:19 amBeck makes Imus look like what he is; a tired, old, not very funny man.
Beck takes listeners down a different road, practically painting a scene in their mind to justify the BS he's claiming as truth.
The scary part is, those 30%'ers that make up 'the base', eat this shit up.
They can't think for themselves, nor can they see a global view of issues without someone like Beck holding their hands.
I'll be voting for Franken for two reasons. Norm Coleman flip flopped from the Dems to Wrongs to get elected. Plain & simple. Kind of pulled a Joe LIEberman right in front of us. The other reason I'm voting for Franken is that we need a little humor in Congress! I'm totally sick of using the War on Freedom as an excuse for every Neocrook screw up the past 6 years.
Hey, he's smart, good looking, and, you know what, he deserves it!
April 13th, 2007 at 9:30 amThere's NO WAY I'm voting for Franken.
... Because I live in CT...
April 13th, 2007 at 9:36 amI wonder would there be such outrage had Imus used a little foresight and called them "prostitutes with bad hair cuts". Someone needs to speek up for free speech before shows like south park get cut over this type of charade, turning protecting feelings at the cost of free speech is the same type of problem as americans trading their freedom for so-called safety. F U Bush.
April 13th, 2007 at 9:42 amSpeaking of South Park, did anyone notice that a new episode a few weeks back was almost exactly the same situation as the Imus one?
Stan's father says the "n" word on national TV, and has to (literally) kiss Jesse Jackson's ass, because he is the "king of black people"
Oh yea, SCISSOR!
April 13th, 2007 at 9:52 amGlenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Neal Boortz, and to a lesser degree Don Imus, exist only because they appeal to the conservative right wing hate groups. None of the aforementioned entertainers argue the merits of an issue because most of the issues supported by their audience have few if any merits. Therefore they're reduced to name calling, hate spewing and lying because that's all they have to fall back on. Free speech is a valued element of our Constitution and anyone should be able to say anything they want but the point is that the airwaves are owned by and for the public interests.
April 13th, 2007 at 10:34 amAl, but beck remarks are so main stream america. No?
April 13th, 2007 at 10:36 am#193,
willrayu,
You stated that "anyone should be able to say anything they want," but the legal reality categorically denies this. The Constitution does not specify an absolute right to free speech. There have been numerous Supreme Court rulings on this matter.
In addition, as a matter of political principle, speech is a form of action and, since no reasonable person claims that actions should be absolutely unrestricted, it follows that speech cannot be absolutely unrestricted.
April 13th, 2007 at 10:50 amKevin like most people who vote Republican likes to call other whom they disagree with names. He has no intelligent argument so he resorts to name calling as a way of expressing his frustration with events he cannot control. Like Rush Limbaugh, he clearly not only hates his fellow Americans, he also hates America. No true American would attack his countrymen while we are fighting an enemy with is intent on killings us all.
Wake up Kevin before you and Rush, Hannity, O'Rielly, Bech, Bortz and all of the other hate mungers help the enemy destroy America. If you recall what a Republican President Lincoln said: "A house divided can not long endure' or words to that effect. My point is you and these other gentlemen need to realize that we fellow Americans are not your enemy, we just simply disagree with you politically. Since when did political disagreement become a reason to hate?
April 13th, 2007 at 11:16 amOf course the fascist left tries to shut up the opposition. Al Franken is a vile creature.
April 13th, 2007 at 11:17 amthanks, Al. very much appreciated.
glenn beck is scum.
April 13th, 2007 at 11:27 am___
Al Franken is a vile creature.
Comment by Mark Richards #197
No Mark,
...you've got Al mixed up with...
...the two paramecia who somehow managed to copulate...
...and started YOUR family tree...
...you mindless, inbred Bushite TRAITOR...
April 13th, 2007 at 11:34 amComment by I-Train #187
...Thanks for reading my post...
...I gotta be me...
...NO!
...it may have come from the Spike Lee movie...
...but it was DEFINITELY MEANT as a racist, sexist insult...
...read your last statement in post #187...
...I agree with that portion, it's the "market" mentality...
One FINAL comment on Imus:
I've paid close attention to comments made by those who think Imus should not have lost his job...
...from C-Span to CNN, MSNBC and back again...
...the ONE common denominator I heard from these people...
...is a HATRED of Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson's involvement in "getting Imus fired" (ha!)...
...TRANSLATION: when Black people stand UP for themselves and "win" on a racial issue WHITES are "victimized"...
...I've NOT heard ONE individual say that if NOTHING ELSE...
...Imus and his lackeys should've been fired for...
...RUINING...
...a PIVOTAL moment- for which those admirable young ladies White and Black had worked hard all of their young lives for...
...a moment that for many of them may NEVER come again...
...were I the parent of any ONE of those fine young women...
...NOTHING short of Imus' firing would've satisfied me either...
April 13th, 2007 at 12:00 pmbig papa, you are a perfect example of the fascist left and the bile that comes from them.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:09 pmCan you imagine the uproar if Al Franken or someone like Olbermann were to say some of the things falafel man has said or some of the stuff beck has said?It would be on faux news 24hrs a day,7 days a week for the next year or so.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:15 pmMichael just can't believe Beck would say anything nasty about Katrina victims. He earnestly requests examples. OK, Michael.
Beck on 9-9-2006: "And that's all we're hearing about, are the people in New Orleans. Those are the only ones we're seeing on television are the scumbags."
There you go Michael. I hope that helps.
Worfeus, if you're this upset about a 60-year old white multi-millionaire like Imus losing his job, I know you must be very concerned with outsourcing and the fact that 45 million of us have no healthcare.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:16 pmComment by Mark Richards #201
...Thanks for reading my post Mark...
...ANOTHER...
...satisfied customer...
April 13th, 2007 at 12:18 pmWhy would the comments that big papa made about these women make him a facsist?He sounds like an intelligent caring being to me Mark Richards.If you want to know what a real fascist is you need not look any further than your beloved George Bush.Now theres a real dyed in the wool fascist.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:19 pm"fascist left" ???!!!
Mark, you need to pick up a dictionary. Fascists always purge leftists. Always. Fascism features a strong current of nationalism and a merging of large corporate power with government power.
Try "totalitarian left" or "Stalinist left." Those would be just as wrong, but at least one could make some sense out of them.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:20 pmRighties, do you remember the silly College professor who called the people in the WTC "little Eichmans?" Remember what happened to him? He lost his job. There was a huge outcry on the right, a lot of screaming for his head. He's out of work now... and he's not a multimillionaire.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:22 pmGlenn Beck once said on his radio program that he would "like to kill Michael Moore." He expressed the hope that someone else would do it. Now, righties, if this isn't hate speech, what the hell is? We all know that we don't have the right to yell "fire" in a crowded theater. Do we have the right to call for someone's murder? I don't think so.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:23 pmRighties, do you remember Phil Donehue. His show was the second highest rated program on MSNBC. The corporate board of NBC fired him because of his anti-war position. They admitted it later.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:26 pmI am new to all these blogs. Just a question? progressives are the groop that lost the nov. elections. thats progressive? the country has spoke and you and your rich friends time has come. give us a while to figure out how to tax the shit out of the wealthy and help the almost extinct middle class.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:31 pmFranken is going to beat Norm Coleman like an old rug. He's going to run Coleman out of the Senate on a rail. 21 repubs are up for reelection and only 9 Dems. Franken is going to be part of a supermajority in the Senate for Dems.
Have a nice day, Bush cultists! Your days are numbered. Your cult leader has run your party into the gutter and ruined your party's chances for many years. Congratulations!
April 13th, 2007 at 12:35 pmBluedog49, Hitler was a socialist. Al Franken is a nazi.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:41 pmIt's funny, Congressman, Keith Ellison wasn't offended by the interview but someone who has nothing to do with it is.
If they are offended Glenn should be fired? Yeah that's logical.
I am offended because you called Rush a "Nazi" (but of course being a Nazi means less now that the whole mass murder of Jews never happened.) but you don't see me freaking out about it.
Grow a spine, Al.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:46 pmAnother hallmark of fascism is the combining of ideololgy with national policy.Lets take a look a Bush's record on that one.Oops.All kinds of that going on.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:59 pmI am offended because you called Rush a “Nazi†(but of course being a Nazi means less now that the whole mass murder of Jews never happened.) but you don’t see me freaking out about it.
Grow a spine, Al.
Comment by SPC Mike #212
SPC Mike,
...A prime candidate for...
...use of the Patriot Act to hunt down...
...and deport...
...maybe THEN...
...America will move forward and prosper...
...Grow a brain, Mikey...
April 13th, 2007 at 1:03 pmI'm astounded that most of this thread is about prople calling each other names, and trying to support their own views right or wrong. How about a little serious debate on the issues presented in the article? I think Al Franken would be a breath of fresh air if elected. I think Imus got what he had coming. I think Glenn Beck is a blow hard, who probably gets paid off by the Bushies to spew bullshit to the shrinking Republican base. I think all the so called journalists at Fox Noise, Hannity,Oraly, etc., are doing the same thing. Then, we have that lunitic pill popper Rush Limbaugh spewing his garbage. How the hell can anyone support the notion that the media is tilted to the left. It's all neoCON bullshit! The takeover of the media by large corporations is a fact. The propaganda they spew is a result of consolidation. The crooked FCC does little to hold the broadcasters to account. It's all a bullshit game! The Bush administration would have been removed from power long ago if it weren't for mainstream media being in their pocket. People need to study, learn the real facts about the people running the country, and ripping off the middle class, and figure out what kind of country to leave for future generations.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:19 pmI have an idea.We americans have a penchant for labeling.Lets come up with a label for the likes of beck,coulter,o'reilly,windbag,etc.First thing that comes to my mind is "hatecasters".Or maybe something like "wehatesemalls"."ihatemyselfssoihateyous".i could go on and on.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:25 pmIts amazing when liberals cannot debate, they want to ban and censor those that they disagree with.
I hear the call from the leftist to get rid of rush limbaugh or glenn beck cause they say "racists" stuff.
Yet the acts of liberals are more racist than of all conservative talk radio.
Remember liberals, you get back what you give out, you start the censorship movement, it will bite back. Maybe one day Al will be facing the thought police for his words.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:26 pmI'm with you "Chingarra".Only problem is the righties would not know a fact even if it were livng next door to them.These folks only know hatred and verbal abuse.To have a meaningful conversation with them is a pipe dream at best.And you are absolutely correct about this administration owning the msm.It was one of the very first things they bought in 2001.They made it legal for an individual to own as many broadcast,print mediums or whatever kind of media you want.This was immediately taken advantage of by filthy rich neocons such as Rupert Murdoch.The same man that has brought us Faux News.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:33 pmLokli,could you please give us some examples of which you speak?I'd be very interested to hear them.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:35 pmGlenn Beck and Nancy Grace have turned Headline News into a talking head nightmare. Even if Beck weren't the distributor of disgusting commentaries that denigrate Muslims, people of color, and those with whom he disagrees, what he distributes would still be commentaries, not news. It is time to bring REAL "news" back to Headline News.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:35 pmI have news for you Lokli,the thought police are already being formed by the thugs in the WH.Its called the religous right.Think like us or else.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:38 pmI would just like to know if someone can clear up the problem I have with the defence of Imus for his racist and sexist comments, demanding that rap music and Sharpton and Jackson are just as guilty etc. I would like to know why these same people defending Imus who think he should not lose his job over this and use the defence of "well somebody else is doing it too", apparently had no qualms or expressed outrage about trying to destroy the career of the Dixie Chicks for a "political" comment they made? Or how about having Whoopi Goldberg fired from her SlimFast contract because she made a crude joke during a private Democratic fundraising event? Or how about the crusade over Danny Glover? Or now how about the outrage that I am hearing today, and have been watching for weeks at Fox, over Rosie O'Donnell and her 9/11 conspiracy thoughts? Why does the outrage get looked at differently depending on which political party you belong to? Why is it okay to ruin the Dixie Chicks but try and protect Imus? Why has the level of discourse in the US come down to "If you don't agree with me you are a traitor, supporting the enemy, unamerican, and linked to Nazi Germany?
April 13th, 2007 at 1:43 pmRemember liberals, you get back what you give out, you start the censorship movement, it will bite back. Maybe one day Al will be facing the thought police for his words.
Comment by Lokli — April 13, 2007 @ 1:26 pm
Amen Lokli.
I don't know what is wrong with people, but I think it is this.
I think people are too afraid of being labeled racist to do the hard thing here and speak the truth. I think people are ultimately just afraid, uncomfortable and some possibly racist themselves.
This is a smear campaign, and it is based on a LIE.
And I don't give a crap how many "regulars" I piss off by repeating the truth.
If they don't like the truth, then they don't have to read my comments.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:48 pmBeck is more than a racist, he's a bigot -- which covers not only race but class, ethnicity and gender. IMO, Beck hates not only people of color but Muslims, women and the poor.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:50 pm222
thank you canadian visitor for injecting some 3rd party objectivity. your observations offer all the illumination anyone with some sense of their own should need to bring the topic into sharp focus.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:53 pmbut it was DEFINITELY MEANT as a racist, sexist insult…
Comment by big papa — April 13, 2007 @ 12:00 pm
BULL.
And I am surprised that you of all people BP are pushing this LIE.
Because it is a LIE.
He was trying to be street. He was trying to sound cool. He was trying to sound black. He was trying to compliment the team in an offhanded way.
His intention was NOT to be racist.
Call it insensitive. Call it stupid. Call it ignorant. Call it illadvised. Call it the wrong thing to say.
But DON'T call it racist.
Unless you have some proof based on the video tape other than the use of two words, one that can be found in Childrens books and the other that can be heard on daytime television constantly.
Don't spread the lie. Spread the truth.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:54 pmOops! I forgot to include that Beck hates gays, as well. I doubt Beck hates lesbians since he's the stereotypical knuckledragger who finds two women making out hot but not two guys.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:56 pmI'm with you Matthew. All we can do is hope that people will wake up to the reality we're all immersed in. People by and large don't change their attitudes intill they start feeling the pain of policies that have a direct effect on them personally. The shrinking Republican base is evidence that the pain is being felt. The Republican Party does not care about their members unless they are very wealthy. They simply pump up the hate and propaganda. It's amazing that so many of their members respond to that bullshit. They must be people who are still pissed off about loosing the civil war.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:59 pmYesterday, the Govenor of New Jersey was in a terrible car accident.
He was seriously hurt and is now in Critical condition. He will live, but his spine was damaged and he may never walk correctly again. He certainly won't be walking for the next 6 months.
And what urgent important state business was the Govenor on that the State Police was rushing him too?
What serious government function was he performing when he was almost killed in this terrible crash?
He was on his way to a meeting. A very important meeting of official state matters.
The meeting?
A meeting set up where Don Imus and the Rutgers womens basketball team.
:|
People are allready getting hurt over this simpleton bullsh$t.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:01 pmSo for those of you out there who still think I am exaggerting the fact that this thing has been blown way out of proportion, ask yourselves this.
What the hell was the Govenor doing going to a meeting between Don Imus and the Rutgers womens basketball team?
Doesn't he have like, you know.......Govenor sh$t to do?
What the hell was the State Police doing driving the Govenor to a meeting between Don Imus and the basketball team?
April 13th, 2007 at 2:08 pmLokli: "Remember liberals, you get back what you give out, you start the censorship movement, it will bite back. Maybe one day Al will be facing the thought police for his words."
"Censorship movement" ???!!!
OK, let's talk about censorship. When have you ever seen Michael Moore on the tube. In a year in which he had the biggest grossing documentary in history and a book on the top ten best seller list for 3 months, he couldn't even get on frickin Larry King.
As I posted before, Phil Donehue's show was cancelled in spite of the fact that it was the #2 rated show on the network because executives were uncomfortable with Donehue's anti-war stance.
And, where were the anti-war voices and talking heads on television during the runup to the war in Iraq?
Censorship movement indeed.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:08 pmThe Govenors back got broken, and wouldn't have been, if he hadn't decided to use the power of his office to further inflame something that should have been over a week ago, then he'd be at his desk this morning, doing important Govenor sh$t.
Instead of lying in traction for the next year.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:10 pmTo everybody here: You are all further proof that we are a country divided. It's a shame to see the hatred between you all. It's no wonder terrorists want to take us out. You all sound like a bunch of 3 year olds, and your responses to this will prove it further. Grow up, children!
April 13th, 2007 at 2:12 pmworfeus: "His intention was NOT to be racist"
Look, man, I get that you're a serious Imus fan and have probably been listening to him for years, but do you really think you can read his mind?
And, please don't be so sure that we're all listening to rap and gansta music. We're not. I don't know anyone who likes rap music. I agree with Spike Lee when he points out that it's just a modern minstral show.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:13 pmOK, let’s talk about censorship. When have you ever seen Michael Moore on the tube. In a year in which he had the biggest grossing documentary in history and a book on the top ten best seller list for 3 months, he couldn’t even get on frickin Larry King.
Comment by Bluedog49 — April 13, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
Thats right.
So why in Gods name would you want to ADD to that movement by censoring Imus?
Why in GODS name would we want to give the FCC MORE power to regulate the airwaves and limit free speech?
Cause you know thats whats gonna happen here, right?
Idiot politicians trying to jump on the anti-racist bandwagon will draft legislation to further restrict free speech, because of this one stupid incident blown way out of proportion.
Why would you want to further the cause of censorship Blue?
I know you don't believe in it.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:13 pm#223 - Comment by I WORFEUS — April 13, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
And I don’t give a crap how many “regulars†I piss off by repeating the truth.
In repeating the "truth" you have found it necessary to denigrate the Rutgers Women's Basketball team by calling them "girls" and "prima donnas."
You and Imus are just the right persons to "heal the racial divide," as you have claimed to want to do. Yeah, right!
April 13th, 2007 at 2:14 pmYes,Chingarra,the republicans could care less about you unless you make $250,000.00 or more a year.Then and only then will you be welcome to the club.Until you meet this criteria you are subject to their oppressive policies.In other words,if you make this much a year or more you can pretty much get away with whatever you want,because we the republicans cater to the wealthy only.If you make less than this you will be subject to all their oppressive policies.RE:THE PATRIOT ACT.A FASCIST MANIFESTO IF EVER THERE WAS ONE.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:14 pmWorfeus: "This is a smear campaign, and it is based on a LIE."
Take a breath. The anger at Imus is because he called a bunch of college basketball players, "nappy-headed hos." That's what happened. Whether or not Imus is a racist is open to speculation, but you or I or anyone else but Imus doesn't really know the truth about that.
This is about actions, not thoughts. Jimmy the Greek lost his network gig for something he said, not what he thought.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:17 pmLook, man, I get that you’re a serious Imus fan and have probably been listening to him for years,
Comment by Bluedog49 — April 13, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
Then you don't get nothing.
Because I have probably heard his show 2 or 3 times in my half century on this planet.
Get a clue.
The ONLY axe I have to grind here is the truth.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:17 pmFranken is so right.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:19 pmAnd, please don’t be so sure that we’re all listening to rap and gansta music. We’re not. I don’t know anyone who likes rap music.
Comment by Bluedog49 — April 13, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
Please go find ONE post of mine where I mentioned 'rap" or "gansta" music.
Hint.
You can't.
You're attributing someone elses argument to me.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:19 pmIn repeating the “truth†you have found it necessary to denigrate the Rutgers Women’s Basketball team by calling them “girlsâ€
Comment by hateseveryone — April 13, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
Oh I'm sorry.
I didn't realize they were packing down there.
I'll refer to them as "the boys" from now on.
Happy?
April 13th, 2007 at 2:20 pmbut do you really think you can read his mind?
Comment by Bluedog49 — April 13, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
No.
You and most of the country apparently think you can, because you are accusing him of "racist intent" when the evidence shows to the contrary.
See I don't need to read his mind.
I've can simply WATCH the video tape and LISTEN to it, to see what his "intent" was.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:23 pmTake a breath. The anger at Imus is because he called a bunch of college basketball players, “nappy-headed hos.â€
Comment by Bluedog49 — April 13, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
It is you and the rabid anti racism mongers who need to take a breath.
I am all for condemning "real" racism.
But no matter how hard you and the rest of the crowd stomp your feet, you're not going to get me to lie to myself, and the world, about a man who is not guilty of what you are accusing him of.
Its called "Bearing FALSE witness", and its one of the oldest sins of all.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:26 pmWorfeus, I don't support and I'm not worried about a "censorship movement." I just want to point out that most of the censoring has been on liberal speech. If anyone in the media referred to a Jewish basketball player by saying, "that kinky-haired kyke can play!", we wouldn't stand for it. Or, how about, "those pasty-faced crackers from Duke" can sure play! How about this: "those ragheads sure can play soccer!"
This is about insulting racial slurs on the public airwaves. Don't worry. Imus will be fine. He's a multimillionaire and I am quite sure some radio network will pay him to do his thing again.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:30 pmWhether or not Imus is a racist is open to speculation, but you or I or anyone else but Imus doesn’t really know the truth about that.
Comment by Bluedog49 — April 13, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
Perhaps.
But I do know the truth of what he actually said.
And what you people are saying is not true.
A simple viewing of the video clearly shows the two lies being spread here.
1. The media and the people who are condemning him are saying he meant to "insult" the girls skills for losing the game to Tennessee.
WRONG.
He was trying to "console" them, by pointing out that he FAVORED THEM, for the win.
2. BASED ON LIE #1, you attribute "racist intent" to his words.
WRONG.
Since LIE #1 is exposed then LIE#2 loses all credibility. Once you realize he was trying to be nice, and complimenting the team, then you realize the words he used, while poor, could NOT have had racist intent.
Listen to the tape again.
It all there.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:33 pmWorfeus, I am not talking about "intent." Again, I'm talking about actions. What you really can't deny is that he referred to the women as "nappy-headed hos." That was an action and actions have consequences.
OK, ok, so you're not an Imus fan and this is a matter of principle for you. What is the principle? Imus has the right to say anything he wants. His sponsors have the right to pull advertising if they think what he says hurts their sales. The network has the right to cancel his show if they think it will hurt their image. What exactly is the principle you're so fired up about?
April 13th, 2007 at 2:39 pm#242 - Comment by I WORFEUS — April 13, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
As usual, you only commented to half of your denigrating comments about the WOMEN on the basketball team. You also slimed them by calling them "prima donnas."
I watched their press conference. Far from being "prima donnas" these women are a class act! They are packin' ovaries!
In all your claims to be "repeating the truth," your patheic "comebacks" (to keep you at center stage) demonstrate clearly that you ain't packin' NOTHIN'!
This thread is about Al Franken's comments about Glenn Beck. You remind me of Glenn Beck. And, like you and Imus, Beck has done NOTHING to "heal the racial divide" that you claim to be so concerned about; he is just a empty suit.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:41 pmDon’t worry. Imus will be fine. He’s a multimillionaire and I am quite sure some radio network will pay him to do his thing again.
Comment by Bluedog49 — April 13, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
Is there something wrong with the characters I am typing on this screen?
Is there something unclear about the fact that I could give a sh$t about Don Imus?
Have I not over the last 3 days made it clear that I ALL I am concerned about hear is the truth.
I am not an Imus fan and your insistence that I am won't change anything.
This is about the truth. And the truth is Imus was NOT insulting the girls, he was complimenting them, and therefore had NO RACIST or MALICIOUS intent in his statement.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:41 pmAs usual, you only commented to half of your denigrating comments about the WOMEN on the basketball team. You also slimed them by calling them “prima donnas.â€
Comment by hterrya — April 13, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
They ARE primma donnas.
Grown ups, you know, "adults", would have accepted his apology, which he gave the VERY next day, and moved on.
They would not have allowed the racial divide and the debacle that ensued to continue.
They would have said, "who the hell is Don Imus", and got on with their lives.
But I don't really blame them. There are "others" pushing their buttons, and "handling" them, and since they are so young its to be expected that they will cave to the community leaders.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:45 pmThey are packin’ ovaries!
Comment by hterrya — April 13, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
Well ok, but they'd better clean it up when they're finished.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:46 pmThe network has the right to cancel his show if they think it will hurt their image. What exactly is the principle you’re so fired up about?
Comment by Bluedog49 — April 13, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
Ok, For the 100th time.
Its called, BEARING FALSE WITNESS.
Which part of that am I not being clear about?
April 13th, 2007 at 2:47 pmYou know False Witness right?
Its how we got into this war in Iraq.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:48 pmWorfeus: "Once you realize he was trying to be nice, and complimenting the team, then you realize the words he used, while poor, could NOT have had racist intent.
Listen to the tape again. "
OK, so if I thought complementing a jewish basketball team by saying, " those kinky-haired kykes can really play ball!", Jewish people shouldn't be angry because I was just complimenting them???!!! Is that your position?
How about this: "that Sasha Baron Cohen sure is funny for a yid." Should Cohen be pleased with a statement like that or do you think he's feel insulted.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:55 pmYou know, Worfeus, for a guy who claims to not give a sh*t about Imus, you sure are fired up about him.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:57 pmYou know, Worfeus, for a guy who claims to not give a sh*t about Imus, you sure are fired up about him.
Comment by Bluedog49 — April 13, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
So you're saying you're thick?
Is it the reading or the comprehension skills you're having difficulty with?
Which part of its NOT Imus, its the BEARING FALSE WITNESS that I am "fired up" about, that you can't get your head around?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:00 pm250 - Comment by I WORFEUS — April 13, 2007 @ 2:45 pm
There are “others†pushing their buttons, and “handling†them, and since they are so young its to be expected that they will cave to the community leaders.You absolutely cannot refrain from denigrating these fine young women!
According to you they, "...are so young..." and they "...cave to the community leaders." What proof can you show that , "There are “others†pushing their buttons, and 'handling' them...."? Why can't you believe that these women came to their concerns about Imus' comments on their own, because they are as intelligent as you and as able to come to their own conclusions as you are convinced that you are able to do? Surely you don't think that you are somehow a better person than they are?
Let's get this straight: every single one of those women during their press conference appeared to be smarter, more talented, more refined, less pompous, more level-head, and better able to "heal the racial divide," than Imus or any of his apologists.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:02 pmOK, so if I thought complementing a jewish basketball team by saying, †those kinky-haired kykes can really play ball!â€, Jewish people shouldn’t be angry because I was just complimenting them???!!! Is that your position?
Comment by Bluedog49 — April 13, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
I have made my position agonizingly clear over the last 3 days, and you were here when I did it.
You KNOW that is NOT my position.
So all I can assume blue, is like the rest of the Rosa Parks impersonaters you are hell bent on hanging this man, DAMN the facts, just hang him, and then INVENT arguments for anyone who dares to address the facts.
I've written hundreds of comments over the last 3 days and you come to me this late in the game with this pathetic position which I never took?
You disappoint me blue.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:04 pmBULL.
And I am surprised that you of all people BP are pushing this LIE.
Because it is a LIE.
Comment by I WORFEUS #226
WORFEUS,
...you'd probably do yourself a HUGE favor (relieving a lot of your frustration)...
...if you moved on...
...the comment to which you are referring was NOT a response to what IMUS said...
...it was in reference to what his SIDEKICK said (the "Jigaboo" comment)...
...NOW...
...because YOU see this whole thing from a different perspective is not "unusual"...
...YOUR RABID, OVER-THE-TOP defense of Imus IS...
...Emmet Till's case deserves such passion...
...Imus' doesn't...
April 13th, 2007 at 3:05 pmAccording to you they, “…are so young…†and they “…cave to the community leaders.†What proof can you show that , “There are “others†pushing their buttons, and ‘handling’ them….�
Comment by hterrya — April 13, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
Gee I don't know. How about the caravan of community leaders and activists surrounding them and addressing the public ON THEIR BEHALF?
How about the statements they read that were WRITTEN for them by speechwriters?
How about the fact that when they first heard about this the coach reported that MOST of the team didn't seem to care, and didn't know who Don Imus even was????
But fine.
You're too stupid to see with your eyes? Fine.
Lets say their buttons are NOT being pushed, and they are dragging this thing out because they ARE prima donnas, too sensitive to be called one name by a guy they never heard of.
Lets just say that.
Happy now?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:07 pmWORFEUS,
…you’d probably do yourself a HUGE favor (relieving a lot of your frustration)…
…if you moved on…
Comment by big papa — April 13, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
You're still here. Why don't you "move on"?
Don't presume to tell me what issues to focus on, and I won't tell you what issues to focus on.
Kapish?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:10 pm…YOUR RABID, OVER-THE-TOP defense of Imus IS…
Comment by big papa — April 13, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
First, it is the rabid anti-race activists launching protests, freedom marches etc and who foam at the mouth on TV when condemning Imus.
Because I disagree with you and am firm and committed to my facts does not make me "rabid".
It just makes me right.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:12 pmAnd for the 2 million'th time, I am not defending Imus.
I am defending the truth.
Something your "rabid anti-racism" won't apparently let you do.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:13 pm#260 - Comment by I WORFEUS — April 13, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
How about the statements they read that were WRITTEN for them by speechwriters?
Do you have a reference to support your claim?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:13 pmHow about the statements they read that were WRITTEN for them by speechwriters?
Do you have a reference to support your claim?
Comment by hterrya — April 13, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
Yes.
Online the team posted this statement.... "OUR PUBLIC STATEMENTS WERE PREPARED FOR US BY SPEECHWRITERS"..
Now go find the statement and come back when you've found it genius.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:17 pmLet’s get this straight: every single one of those women during their press conference appeared to be smarter, more talented, more refined, less pompous, more level-head, and better able to “heal the racial divide,†than Imus or any of his apologists.
Comment by hueybalooey — April 13, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
If they wanted to "heal the racial divide", they would have understood (and they did understand what he was saying) that he was trying to compliment them as being "hardcore" accepted his apology and moved on.
But thats not what they did, is it?
And they didn't because guys like Al Sharpton wouldn't let them.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:22 pmRe 250:
"This is about the truth. And the truth is Imus was NOT insulting the girls, he was complimenting them, and therefore had NO RACIST or MALICIOUS intent in his statement."
Could you please explain your reasoning again more clearly for saying that these fine young woman with excellent academic records and skills are being complimented with the racist remark "nappy headed hos"?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:25 pmI don't get Imus on the radio nor do I get MSNBC via our satellite, so I only know of Imus from other sites that have recorded his other more uncomplimentary commentary both by him and his two sidekicks on the show. I did see him once on the Larry King Show. Was Imus being complimentary to Hillary CLinton when he let his cohost discuss about her appearance in Salem and her reading of a spiritual hymn that she was pandering to the blacks and what next - cornrows and gold teeth? Or how about when they called Obama that "young colored fellah"? Is that complimentary or stereotypical racist language that seems to have been showing up on his programme for quite a while but just now getting the attention it deserves?
262 - Comment by I WORFEUS — April 13, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
It just makes me right.
I think we have gotten to the root cause of the problem here.
Your opinion about how "right" you are is not in question. You have made that opinion very clear over and over and over and over and over and over.
However, that self-aggrandizing opinion does not make you "right" when you denigrate those who don't agree with your opinion of yourself and who object strongly to your denigration of others, especially the Rutgers Women's Basketball team.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:25 pmComment by canadian visitor #222
...racial tension, confrontation, and animus...
...transcend politics, class, and even race itself...
...many of Imus' supporters (some of the more vitriolic ones even)...
...are go along to get along self-hating "negroes"...
...many are Liberal/Progressives who everyday tolerate the (wink-n-nod inner circle) racism, misogyny,sexism and homophobic bigotry...
...and TREASON of their conned'self-servative:
family members
neighbors
friends
co-workers
...because its "easier" to go along just to get along...
...Imus is merely a symptom of an attempt by many delusional people...
...who'd like to think that racism (because it's not de jure) is AS subdued in its de facto state...
...they want us to have ARRIVED already as a society on the question of race/racism...
...without having fully resolved the negative impacts caused by THEIR ancestors' sins...
NOTE: The Rutgers team members received hate mail, because Imus insulted THEM...
...they want to accept the benefits of those sins, without the responsibility of doing what is necessary to adequately address the problems...
...incurred by the victims of those sins...
April 13th, 2007 at 3:27 pmCould you please explain your reasoning again more clearly for saying that these fine young woman with excellent academic records and skills are being complimented with the racist remark “nappy headed hos�
Comment by canadian visitor — April 13, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
CV, you're 2 days late and 10 dollars short.
Go back and READ my reasoning. And its not reasoning, its just watching the video tape and having a brain.
Your ENTIRE argument that this was intended as a "RACIAL SLUR" relies on one key principle.
That his "intent" was to "insult" Rutgers.
But upon viewing the tape and listening to what he actually said, he was NOT insulting them, but complimenting them on being such hardcore players.
What do you think he meant when he said "I didn't think Tennessee wanted to beat these girls,.......but they did" ?
What do you think he meant by that?
What do you think he meant when he said those are some "ROUGH GIRLS"?
Which part of his "SURPRISE" that Rutgers lost did you miss on the video?
Did you LISTEN to the video?
Or did you just listen to the media hype?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:31 pmHowever, that self-aggrandizing opinion does not make you “rightâ€
Comment by haterrya — April 13, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
No.
The video tape does that.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:33 pm266 - Comment by I WORFEUS — April 13, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
If they wanted to “heal the racial divideâ€, they would have...
Only YOU know how to “heal the racial divide..."
YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU! That's all we have heard from you ad nauseam.
Give it a rest!
April 13th, 2007 at 3:33 pmOk,this is something i don't get at all;he we are calling imus a racist and worefus here is saying that imus is trying to relate to african-americans by emulating them.And ya know he may have something there and i say this from experience.I live on the eastside of detroit and there are a lot of white kids emulating black kids,i see it every day.So although i don't agree with everything you say worefus i think you have a valid point.But that doesn't excuse imus's blunder.He should have known the firestorm that would ensue after saying something dumb like that.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:34 pmWhat do you people think he meant when he said “I didn’t think Tennessee wanted to beat these girls,…….but they did†?
WELL???????????????????????
April 13th, 2007 at 3:34 pmOnly YOU know how to “heal the racial divide…â€
YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU! That’s all we have heard from you ad nauseam.
Give it a rest!
Comment by hterrya — April 13, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
Youre the jackass who keeps talking to me.
Why don't YOU "give it a rest" you mindless simp?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:38 pmBut that doesn’t excuse imus’s blunder.
Comment by matthew — April 13, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
Of course it doesn't.
But it does quantify it.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:39 pmWhorefeus,
April 13th, 2007 at 3:47 pmDo you know what a "HO" is? Can you please tell me where I can get a children's book with HO, or HO'S in it? How ignorant are you?
Re: Commen 270
CV, you’re 2 days late and 10 dollars short.....
Go back and READ my reasoning. And its not reasoning, its just watching the video tape and having a brain...................
Did you LISTEN to the video? .......................
Or did you just listen to the media hype?................................
Excuse me, but do you have a problem with explaining your reasoning a little more clearly rather than issuing statements such as the above? I didn't follow your logic so asked for further explanation.. so is that too difficult for you to be more clear or is it easier to insinuate that I can't "READ" or "LISTEN" to what has been plastered all over the airwaves for days? It seems you also totally ignored my other comments about negative stereotyping also appearing on his show. By your refusing to comment, then are those acceptable to you as well as being complimentary statements towards Obama and Hillary Clinton?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:49 pmWhorefeus,
Do you know what a “HO†is? Can you please tell me where I can get a children’s book with HO, or HO’S in it? How ignorant are you?
Comment by clan1465 — April 13, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
Not apparently as ignorant as you.
Show me where I said the word "HO" could be found in a childrens book lamebrain.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:51 pmExcuse me, but do you have a problem with explaining your reasoning a little more clearly rather than issuing statements such as the above?
Comment by canadian visitor — April 13, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
I do when after 3 days and 300 posts people like you stroll in and are too lazy to scroll up and READ what I have already said 300 times, instead of just lazily demanding I rewrite the entire thing.
And in case you didn't notice slappy, I DID explain my position after I bitched about your laziness.
So why are you responding to that, instead of addressing the answers I gave you to your question?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:54 pmThe fascist left hates free speech. The so-called "fairness doctrine" is another attempt by the Nazis on the left to censor conservatives, moderates, libertarians, and anybody else with a clue.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:56 pmQualifys it?Maybe.But this guy is supposed to be a professional and i would hardly call that professional behavior and that goes for the Limbaughs,Coulters and the O'reillys of the world.No matter what,this world isn't going to change by calling each other names and i'm just as guilty as the next guy,but i can see my errors and i try to word things so as not to be offensive and no matter how macho you are i know that at some point in your life someone somewhere has said something that cut to the quick and you probably wanted to tear there head off,yes?
April 13th, 2007 at 4:01 pmQualifys it? Maybe.But this guy is supposed to be a professional and i would hardly call that blah blah blah.
Comment by matthew — April 13, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
Another literary genius who can't read.
Better hit the Speak-n-Spell Matt, and see if they have a section on the letter "T".
April 13th, 2007 at 4:07 pmRe 280:
Assuming I didn't read all posts from #1, is a misinformation on your part. From your latest responses being not much more than derogatory comments towards myself - lazy, slappy??, laziness, - I assume then that you will make no further substantial informational comments on what I said re the other racial comments made by Imus and his team. Is "coloured fellah" and sporting "cornrows and gold teeth" complimentary as well? Unless you would like to address my question, then please refrain from having to think up new things to try and "put me in my place".
April 13th, 2007 at 4:12 pmHEY GENIUS WOREFUS THE TERM IS QUALIFYS THE STATEMENT NOT QUANTIFYS IT.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:20 pmAssuming I didn’t read all posts from #1, is a misinformation on your part.
Comment by canadian visitor — April 13, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
Really?
So if you READ my position, then why the hell did you have to ask me what it was?
April 13th, 2007 at 4:22 pmUnless you would like to address my question, then please refrain from having to think up new things to try and “put me in my placeâ€.
Comment by canadian visitor — April 13, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
Don't tell me what to do.
You don't like what I say don't talk to me.
Nobody asked you to.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:23 pmIs “coloured fellah†and sporting “cornrows and gold teeth†complimentary as well?
Comment by canadian visitor — April 13, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
You're "question" is a Red Herring, and is part of the LIE.
I never said the WORDS "nappyheaded" or "hos" were compliments.
If you HAD read my comments as you claim, then you'd know that now wouldn't you?
April 13th, 2007 at 4:24 pmGlenn Beck is a gay hypocrite closet queen. He makes all this comments to appear manly. When is his boyfriend going to come forward?
He is the "Ted Haggard of Cable News".
April 13th, 2007 at 4:26 pmI think someone needs a nap.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:26 pmHEY GENIUS WOREFUS THE TERM IS QUALIFYS THE STATEMENT NOT QUANTIFYS IT.
Comment by matthew — April 13, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
No Einstein.
The "term" I used was "QUANTIFY", numbskull.
Go back and READ before you misquote someone.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:27 pmOr how about "trailer trash" ,"redneck",do these "QUANTIFY" as compliments.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:28 pmI think someone needs a nap.
Comment by Ernest Lemmingway — April 13, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
Then go take one.
:|
And when you wake up, get back to work on the Speak-N-Spell.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:31 pmI know thats what you said,but that doesn't change the fact that it should have been "qualify".Not "quantify".
April 13th, 2007 at 4:31 pmOr how about “trailer trash†,â€redneckâ€,do these “QUANTIFY†as compliments.
Comment by matthew — April 13, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
I'm sorry. I am not your reading comprehension tutor.
Since you're clearly too "trailer trash" stupid to understand the meaning of the word "quantify" as used in the sentence I provided, then you're going to probably want to repeat grade school.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:34 pmAnd my skull is not numb.That would be an impossibilty,since it has no soft tissue like yours.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:34 pmI know thats what you said,but that doesn’t change the fact that it should have been “qualifyâ€.Not “quantifyâ€.
Comment by the biggest idiot I have ever seen — April 13, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
You are perhaps one of the most ignorant lamebrains I have ever had to correct.
I said Quantify.
I MEANT Quantify.
If all you can do to debate me is to CHANGE my words, then you are not worth the keystrokes I have wasted on you thus far.
When you get done arguing with yourself, tell your mom to order Hooked On Phonics.
You got a long, long, long way to go.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:37 pmAnd my skull is not numb.
Comment by matthew — April 13, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
Its the numbest I've ever encountered.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:38 pmJust skimming from the long list above, it seems that Worefius is pretty angry on Imus' behalf. And he also doesn't think the basketball players have any right to complain.
I think that betrays a real inability to put himself in someone else's shoes. Maybe Worefius thinks that is a weakness.
It seems the sequence of events could be reviewed for some clarity. Let me know (try to be civil, please) what I'm missing.
1 - Don Imus has a 3-decade career netting millions of dollars saying outrageous things on the radio. Oh, and for some of that time on TV. Is there another appeal to his show? Cowboy hats, influential guests, C&W music... help me out, here. I have a day job.
2 - Some young basketball players at an academically competitive university won a championship. Big deal for them.
3 - A radio talk show host calls them tough-looking prostitutes and throws in a racial slur, contrasting them with the "cute" players from a southern university, presumably not African Americans.
4 - People get upset. Lawyers and media and strangers in bars get into it. Oh, and Imus' show's sponsors. Big money.
5 - Imus' employers fire him and apologize.
Now what should #6 be? Oh, yeah! Blame the Rutgers basketball players for having the gall to be (some of them) black, to be successful, to be tall? What? They're not hos? Blame them for that, then!
Sorry, I just think it's inexcusable for the wealthy and powerful to trash people who are either suffering or just getting started in life. Since when DON'T we root for the underdog? Is it okay to kick a crippled person, to steal candy from a baby all of a sudden? Sheesh.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:39 pmJust skimming from the long list above, it seems that Worefius is pretty angry on Imus’ behalf.
Comment by Another idiot who can't read — April 13, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
What is this like inbred illiterate day?
Is there one of you out there who can actually READ?
Whiich part of "I could give a sh$t about Don Imus" eludes that pimple resting between your shoulder blades?
:|
Its like "Dawn of the Dumb".
April 13th, 2007 at 4:43 pmSorry, I just think it’s inexcusable for the wealthy and powerful to trash people who are either suffering or just getting started in life.
Comment by Steve — April 13, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
He wasn't trashing them idiot.
He was trying to praise them.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:44 pmI think that betrays a real inability to put himself in someone else’s shoes. Maybe Worefius thinks that is a weakness.
Comment by Steve — April 13, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
And your real weakness comprehending simple English.
Go back to school.
Read a book.
But if you want to come at me with an argument I have defeated 3 dozen times over the last 3 days, then you'd better do your homework.
READ what I said jackass before you try smearing me.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:46 pmOk this has gotten way to intelligent for me.I think i'll go get in my pickup now and head on over to the saloon,get drunk,go home and kick my dog because worefus is being so mean.Oh wait,not my home,my trailer.Geez.Lighten up.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:49 pmI just figured out the problem here with the Imus contraversy.
Its not preconceived racial prejudice that is the problem.
Its not miscommunication or misunderstanding.
Its STUPIDITY.
Thats all it is.
Stupid Imus can't talk without putting his foot in his mouth, and STUPID people who can't understand what they are looking at, listening to or reading.
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We've finally become an IDIOCRACY.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:50 pmDude. Chill with the accusations of idiocy. You may have the time to write to this all day. Some of us periodically check into comment boards once in a while during the course of a life.
I did mention that I only skimmed the hundreds of postings. And you couldn't even comprehend that in your response. Who can't read? Who's illiterate?
In two posts over a few minutes, you trashed me four of five times. I think I was careful to be civil in my posts.
I'm sorry your idol was fired. Now please get a life.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:54 pmI love how these people take the things Beck says out of context. Immediately after Glenn said that to Elison, he said "Well, I know you're not working with them, but how can we be sure you understand this threat?"
Also, Glenn doesn't "hate 9/11 victims". He's pissed at the widows who were the target of a charity campaign and made millions of dollars and bought nice houses with tennis courts and pools, etc, and then bitched about how they weren't treated well enough and that 9/11 was all Bush's fault.
He also said he was pissed at the Katrina "victims" who were shooting at rescue choppers and looting stores.
Just LOVE how the left takes things out of context, never bother to get the facts, and just runs with it as some crusade for a "better" world by oppressing opposing viewpoints...
April 13th, 2007 at 5:01 pmDude. Chill with the accusations of idiocy.
Comment by Steve — April 13, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
Sure.
When you stop acting like an idiot.
But if you're going act like an idiot, come in and slander me, putting YOUR words in MY mouth, without bothering to even READ what I said, then you are going to be called an idiot.
Don't like it?
Read next time before opening your mouth.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:05 pmI’m sorry your idol was fired. Now please get a life.
Comment by A complete Idiot named Steve — April 13, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
See?
You're still an idiot.
Even AFTER I corrected you, even after NOT reading my comments to the contrary, you still claim falsely that I am some sort of fan for Imus.
Why?
Because like the rest of the idiots who've tried and failed,. you simply cannot talk to the facts I've presented so you have to INVENT my argument for me, then ascribe it to me, and then refute the argument YOU just made for me.
And then like the rest of the numbskulls, you resort to the old, "get a life" statement, never mind you're in here yourself and never mind you can't even form a coherent argument,. Just toss out the grade school "get a life" like you are somehow "above the fray".
You can't defeat my argument so instead, like a right wing troll you try to attack my character.
You're a rube.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:10 pmIdiots like this make me wish I were a republican.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:12 pmOk this has gotten way to intelligent for me.I think i’ll go get in my pickup now and head on over to the saloon,get drunk,go home and kick my dog because worefus is being so mean.Oh wait,not my home,my trailer.Geez.Lighten up.
Comment by numbskull — April 13, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
This from an idiot that didnt' know the meaning of the word "QUANTIFY".
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No wonder we lose so many elections.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:15 pmI think I was careful to be civil in my posts.
Comment by Steve — April 13, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
Yea?
Next time try being TRUTHFUL.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:17 pmWorfeus, when we started this particular argument yesterday, I pointed out Imus' disgusting behavior at a Correspondents Dinner when he made expletive-laden, sexual groaners about blowjobs right in Hillary's face. I said I thought it was a course insult to the First Lady. You said you thought it was funny and the Clintons deserved it.
Now you say the real issue is "bearing false witness."
But, oh, oh, Imus made jokes about Clinton getting it on with a "teenage intern." Since Monica Lewinsky was a 23-year old paid staffer at the time of their affair, Imus was "bearing false witness" against Clinton. But, you thought it was funny and that he deserved it. Now, you sit there acting high and mighty as if you are the guardian of some sacred trust of truth. Give me a frickin break!
April 13th, 2007 at 5:30 pmI WOREFEUS:
You have posted a lot, and seem certain of your position. So certain that I doubt anyone, even with as much apparent free time as you have, could pick apart each and every one of your posts and have you listen, and learn.
What I might suggest is that you consider that you could, indeed, have something to learn. If you could agree that much, perhaps, rather than debate (which often just helps people confirm their own point of view), you might actually listen.
I would also have you consider that the issue is quite complicated, and that simply saying that what the message and intent behind what Imus said is most important leaves out of the equation that messages have both senders and receivers. Receivers will decode messages according to their frameworks of understanding, which are just as valid as those of the sender.
"Nappy-headed ho", to many people, is both racist and sexist. That someone can't see that speaks to their lack of understanding of those terms; not just simple definitions but the history and validity of personal experience and resonance with what those terms represent.
A good crash course for you might be a viewing of an educational film entitled, "The Color of Fear." Perhaps a local university near you might have a copy. It may change your life.
Peace.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:31 pmJust to settle the "ho" issue: "ho" is a phoetic rendering of the word "whore." In several American dialects, speakers delete "r" at the end of words following a vowel sound. In certain areas of the South, "poor" is "po"; in Boston, "car" is pronounced "cah." In several Southern dialects, including African-American Vernacular English, "whore" sounds like "ho."
The word "whore" with this pronounciation has entered the mainstream vocabulary through music and films, repeated by people who assume it is a slang term for "woman." It isn't. Calling a woman a "ho" is an insult. Period. Any adult male who doesn't understand that calling a woman a whore is an insult doesn't belong on national radio.
It is also quite different for the writer of a children's book to pick up the term "nappy-haired" or "nappy-headed" in the context of appreciating the beauty of all kinds of children, regardless of hair texture, and this same adult man and his racist sidekick (see Fraken's original statement) using the whole term to contrast one team of young women with others who are called "cute." The Rutgers women were compared (in looks) to men's team named after animals (Raptors and Grizzlies.) I played this video this afternoon to a college classroom of white women and they were just shocked at what they heard. Ordinary people get it. What Imus said wasn't just "stupid." It was one of many, many examples on American radio and TV where women and minorities are mocked and demeaned for the entertainment and profit of people who enjoy such things.
So who are the whores?
April 13th, 2007 at 5:37 pmWorfeus, when we started this particular argument yesterday, I pointed out Imus’ disgusting behavior at a Correspondents Dinner when he made expletive-laden, sexual groaners about blowjobs right in Hillary’s face. I said I thought it was a course insult to the First Lady. You said you thought it was funny and the Clintons deserved it.
Comment by Bluedog49 — April 13, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
Sorry Charlie.
I'm afraid you're going to have to prove that statement.
Show us where I said that.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:43 pmBut, oh, oh, Imus made jokes about Clinton getting it on with a “teenage intern.†Since Monica Lewinsky was a 23-year old paid staffer at the time of their affair, Imus was “bearing false witness†against Clinton.
Comment by Bluedog49 — April 13, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
You have a long way to go before you want to be explaining to me what bearing false witness is.
How can I validate that for you?
Hint. Your key word in your post above, is "JOKES".
April 13th, 2007 at 5:44 pmWOREFEUS:
You have posted a lot, and seem certain of your position.
Comment by JT — April 13, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
Quite
April 13th, 2007 at 5:45 pmSo certain that I doubt anyone, even with as much apparent free time as you have, could pick apart each and every one of your posts and have you listen, and learn.
Comment by JT — April 13, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
They could JT, if instead of coming in and slandering me, my character, my motives, my intentions, and putting words in my mouth, they'd simply read one or two posts I've written in this and 3 other threads, that lay this all out line by line.
But they don't even need to do that.
This isn't rocket science.
All someone has to do to ask themselves what was Imus's intention based on what he said on the tape.
Then LISTEN to the tape!
After listening to the tape, the first thing they should be asking themselves is, "If Imus was insulting the girls, then why was he expressing surprise that they lost?"
Ask yourself what Imus meant when he said "I didn't know if I'd have wanted to beat Rutgers or not.... but they did."
April 13th, 2007 at 5:55 pmYou people claim I think this is about me, but it is you who are trying to make it about me.
You do that everytime you attack me instead of my position.
You cry about my little Rickleslike jabs that I toss in with my responses, while at the same time never bothering more than in passing to even casually address the issue I have raised, much less any of the specifics.
Well I've got news for you. Its not about me. Its about the facts.
And you don't need to attack me or even debate me. All you have to do is ask yourself one simple question and start from there.
That simple question is this.
Once you can do that you'll see that, you'll understand LIE NUMBER 1.
Then you can understand why LIE NUMBER 2 does not work.
It needs LIE NUMBER 1 to exist.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:05 pmWorfeus, you're correct. I was arguing with you and someone called ggibson and he's the one who liked the way the Clintons were slimed by Imus at the correspondents dinner. You were on his side in the argument, however, and you're post above makes it clear that you share gibson's view.
"Bearing false witness" is lying about someone or something. That's pretty clear to everyone unless you have some special personal definition you'd like to share with us. Making a lie about someone into a joke, in my mind, doesn't change the fact that it's a lie, it just may make the lie funnier. I'm sure you see the logic in that. A joke about getting it on with a teenage intern perpetuates the lie that Clinton got it on with a teenage intern. The truth is that he had an affair with a 23-year old paid staffer. It's a tortured distinction, I agree, but let's be fair.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:08 pm“Bearing false witness†is lying about someone or something.
Comment by Bluedog49 — April 13, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
What you are saying is ludicrious. By your logic we'd be suing and silencing every comedian in the world who made any joke about a person that could be considered crass, off color or inaccurate.
Lying about someone is lying about someone.
Bearing False Witness as it pertains to the Torah, or the Old Testament, is to present false testimony that is intended to decieve an individual or group of individuals in a public or judiciuary setting in a manner that causes harm to himself or his family.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:18 pmAnd how it pertains to the Canon is how it pertains to the Court.
The US Courts at least.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:19 pmAnyway, once again you are making this about me and silly distinctions.
Even if you were right about the defintion of bearing false witness, and you're not, (an incomplete definition is still an inaccurate one) it is moot.
Because that is the reason I said I am hear and like everyone keeps telling me, and telling me, and telling me, this is NOT about me.
The issue is as I stated so clearly and painstakingly above, yet you breeze right over it and decide to get into a discussion with me on the meaning of the phrase, Bearing False Witness.
Do you see here? Do you see I waste endless keystrokes on you so called liberals, and yet you graze right over them perferring to debate trivia like a right wing troll.
I like you Blue. I like your fire. But don't waste my time.
Either address the ISSUES I raised or talk to someone else.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:24 pmGrammar correction:
Bearing False Witness as it pertains to the Torah, or the Old Testament, is to present false testimony against an individual that is intended to decieve another individual or group of individuals in a public or judiciuary setting in a manner that causes harm to the individual and or his family.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:30 pmI WOREFEUS:
I note that you did not address the issues I raised, which differed from your argument's premise. And consider that debate seems to not make you very content.
Perhaps consider switching to decaf as well.
Peace, and out.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:35 pmWorfeus, you’re correct. I was arguing with you and someone called ggibson “
Comment by Bluedog49 — April 13, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
Wow, first time someones admitted they were wrong all night.
Thats a good start.
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Oh wait.... whats this next thing you're saying....?
April 13th, 2007 at 6:38 pmYou were on his side in the argument, however, and you’re post above makes it clear that you share gibson’s view.
Comment by Bluedog49 — April 13, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
Here we go again.
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Please stop making sweeping generalizations like that, completely without quotes or any foundation, and attributing it to me.
When I want your opinion on what my opinion is, I'll give it to you.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:41 pmI note that you did not address the issues I raised, which differed from your argument’s premise.
Comment by JT — April 13, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
What issues?
Name ONE.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:41 pmHere JLT.
Lets look at the "ISSUES" you supposedly raised for me to address. Here is your post.
Lets see JT.
Where were the staggering "issues" you raised for me to address there?
Where are the details and facts?
You insulted my free time (sorry you didn't do better in school, maybe you'd have more free time too), told me to listen to others, said that people take thing different than how they're meant (only what I've been saying for 3 days), state that the WORDS are racist, (something I have likewise stated and never denied) and then recommended a book for me to read.
Sorry, I already have a book of the month club.
As for the rest, HOW does that address the facts?
What FACTs did you present?
You have not addressed the issues, you have voiced an opinion.
When you can address the FACT that Imus was speaking congratulatory to Tennessee and Conciliatory to Rutgers by complimenting their physical size and toughness, then you will see the SECOND LIE, LIE NUMBER 2, just sinks to the bottom.
In order to believe he was making a derogatory racist comment, then first show the insult.
And since the video tape does not support your accusations that he was trying to insult the team, you tap dance around it by attacking me personally instead of the issues, and make wide sweeping generalizations without EVER addressing ONE SENTENCE he said. In fact, I am one of the ONLY people who has actually posted the actual words he said.
And thats because you guys can't face them. You can't read them, speak them, write them or think about them.
Because when you do, the racism charge falls flat.
Its a sinker, and I just flushed it for you.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:57 pmWorf: "Bearing False Witness as it pertains to the Torah, or the Old Testament, is to present false testimony that is intended to decieve an individual or group of individuals in a public or judiciuary setting in a manner that causes harm to himself or his family."
Wow. Talk about splitting hairs. Now, please. If I stand up and make a joke about Clinton getting it on with a teenage intern, I am lying about Clinton -- he got it on with a 23-year old paid staffer. The fact that I'm lying in the context of a joke is irrelevant.
I'm not talking about the "biblical" definition of anything. What the hell do I care about what's in the Bible of the Torah? There's also a detailed explanation of what to do if someone has accidentally killed one of your slaves. So what?
April 13th, 2007 at 7:01 pmWORFEUS, THIS IS ALL ABOUT YOU!!!
(just kidding)
April 13th, 2007 at 7:04 pmWow. Talk about splitting hairs. Now, please. If I stand up and make a joke about Clinton getting it on with a teenage intern, I am lying about Clinton — he got it on with a 23-year old paid staffer. The fact that I’m lying in the context of a joke is irrelevant.
I’m not talking about the “biblical†definition of anything. What the hell do I care about what’s in the Bible of the Torah? There’s also a detailed explanation of what to do if someone has accidentally killed one of your slaves. So what?
Comment by Bluedog49 — April 13, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
Lets see. How did I predict above that instead of addressing the issues, you would instead come back to debate minutia?
Ok Josephus. Allow me to explain.
First, the term COMES from the Torah. It is one of the original Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments are the foundation of our legal system.
Are we learning yet?
But more than that, when I used the term I was referencing it in that light, and thats all that matters.
Because the term and your pathetic clinging to it, instead of addressing the lengthy PAINSTAKING MINDNUMBINGLY DUMBED DOWN FOR THE SLOW AND PATHETIC, which you just merrily breezed right over.
Sorry Blue, but its like debating a right wing troll.
April 13th, 2007 at 7:09 pmThe issues are simple. I have stated them and you and dozens like you have posted endless criticism and opinions yet none of you address the actual words Imus spoke. You keep repeating over and over "nappyheaded hos" but that was TWO WORDS out of an ENTIRE conversation.
And you don't address it because to do so, is to defeat your own argument.
If you address his words, you see the first lie, LIE NUMBER 1, can't be. He's praising both teams and consoling Rutgers. So the lie that he was insulting them is thus exposed.
LIE NUMBER 1, gone.
Without LIE NUMBER 1, LIE NUMBER 2 does not work.
The human brain is binary. This is science and it is also based in law.
While your brain can have a variety of thoughts and emotions, it cannot feel malice and benevolance at the same time.
A person might do actions which can be percieved as both malicious and benevolant at the same time, but he cannot FEEL those emotions at the same time.
You cannot have malice in your mind, and also have benevolance.
Therefore, once you see that LIE NUMBER 1, that is, Imus was trying to "HURT and DEGRADE" the girls, was false, and he was actually trying to pay them an offhanded compliment, then you'll see that LIE NUMBER 2 doesn't float.
It's a sinker.
April 13th, 2007 at 7:18 pmSo, why is Glen Beck still on the air? I don't get it. His remarks are just as bad, if not worse, than Imus' remark. Doesn't CBS/CNN seem to have a double standard?
April 13th, 2007 at 7:25 pmWhat you end up with is called "absence of malice". (no not the movie)
And without malice racism just doesn't work.
Stupidity? Sure. Insensitivty? Perhaps.
But racism?
Absolutely not.
April 13th, 2007 at 7:26 pmDoesn’t CBS/CNN seem to have a double standard?
Comment by Krishnan Menon — April 13, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
It sure looks that way.
And thats whats coming next.
This thing blown out of proportion is going to launch a witchhunt of the airwaves and then that will spread to other areas. People like to say this isn't a free speech issue but free speech will suffer nonetheless.
You know what the real laugh is?
America doesn't need any enemies to hurt us.
We're good enough at it by ourselves.
April 13th, 2007 at 7:30 pmWorf: "The Ten Commandments are the foundation of our legal system.
Are we learning yet?"
Aren't we full of ourselves. Tell us, Mr. biblical scholar. How many of the Ten Commandments are codified in our legal system? I can think of two - killing and stealing. Sorry, professor. Our legal system has much more to do with English Common Law and the Iroquois Nation Consitution than anything in the bible.
I do agree that the "ten" commandments were part of a large set of rules by which to run society, but that society existed over 2000 years ago. That's why if you read on past the first 9 or 10, you get rules about slaves and daughters-as-property and concubines, etc. But our legal system does not have anything to say about worshipping false idols, the name of god, honoring your father and mother, coveting your neighbors wife or possessions. So, it's always been a bit of a stretch to say our legal system is based on the "ten commandments."
April 13th, 2007 at 7:55 pmworf: "You know what the real laugh is?
America doesn’t need any enemies to hurt us.
We’re good enough at it by ourselves."
That's right. We have public personalities who will get on the public airwaves and make nasty racist, sexist jokes about our own citizens. We have "shock jocks" who make a mockery of our public discourse by making fun of innocent college basketball players. I agree. It's too bad.
April 13th, 2007 at 7:58 pmDid you see today that the Govenor of New Jersey literally broke his back trying to get to a meeting for this thing?
Did you hear Keith Olberman tonight report that Imus fans are sending hatemail to the Rutgers team???
You think yourself erudite and superior because you can chant racist, but what you and people like you ultimately end up doing is just getting people hurt.
April 13th, 2007 at 8:12 pmHey Matthew, I'm checking in again after a break of several hours. Listen
April 13th, 2007 at 8:18 pmmy friend. You're wasting your time trying to reason with the people who have posted the most on this thread. And, you certainly don't have to take any abuse by these ass holes who have started calling you names.
Think about it. People who spend all their time calling each other names,
and trying to convince each other that they are somebody: These are sick people who don't have a life. If they had a life, they would be out enjoying it instead of typing away through their dreary day. Pity them. Don't fall into the trap of allowing them to abuse you. Matthew, you are a smart guy. I know that from our previous communications. You are one of the few people on this long thread that have any idea of what is going on, and I appreciate that. I won't bother to name names of the people who are trying to be the only voice on here. It's obvious who they are. Hang in there buddy, and even though I don't spend a lot of time commenting on these sites, I'll be looking for Matthew when I do again.
And as I just predicted again, you just blew past a lengthy series of posts PAINSTAKINGLY laid out for you that addressed the facts I presented, and you instead, just like a right wing troll, and instead want to deviate off to a discussion on the Ten Commandments.
Irregardless of the fact that you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground with regards to the ten commandments and setting your bogus facts about the influence of the ten commandments on our legal system (there WERE and in some places still are laws against things like coveting, honouring your parents, adultery and others) I am not going to let you turn this into a Trival Pursuit game on the ten commandments and their impact in modern society.
Either talk to the facts of the issue, which I laid out so clearly even the most learning challegned individual could easily understand, or stop talking to me.
April 13th, 2007 at 8:23 pmComment by ChingarraSan — April 13, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
Thats right you pompous self righteous jackass.
Attack the man, cause you CANNOT refute the message.
Same thing you accuse the right wing of.
You're no better than they are.
April 13th, 2007 at 8:25 pm1.The "progressive way" is not to criticize then run away. You have been spoon-fed that by Limbaugh and O'Reilley, and you choose to believe that because it's more comfortable than thinking for yourself and investigating the truth WHICH IS:
2. We wil engage in civil political/social debate any time, anywhere, and we will kick ass because we don't make up "facts" as the above radio commentators do when they are backed into a corner. But they are rarely backed into a corner because they rarely allow themselves to engage in civil political/social debate. Case in point: Franken has offered to go face to face with Limbaugh any time, anywhere. Limbaugh always laughs it off as if it's somehow below his dignity. Sounds like a bully coward to me.
3. Where I disagree with my fellow liberals is that though I of course found Imus' remarks offensive and sickening, I also believe that we still live in a country where we have the right to utter the offensive and sickening. It is true that Imus is not entitled to a job, and if his network is so afraid of losing its advertisers, they have the right to fire him. But this is a form of censorship, in its way, and I am concerned that this could start an avalanche of intolerance for free speech.
4. In the New York Daily News, pages and pages devoted to Imus. Anna Nicole keeps getting tons of page space. Iraq? Quarter of a page. Alberto Gonzales and the White House attempts to cover up and stonewall, making Watergate look like a fraternity prank? A two-paragraph mention.
April 14th, 2007 at 2:00 amWolfowitz and the World Bank scandal? Nowhere to be seen. We as Americans, left, right, whatever, deserve better than this.
I WORFEUS
It is quite clear why "I" is the most prominent part of your screen name. Your self-absorption is quite impressive. How many people have abused in this thread with your condescension and smarm?
Whatever value there was in your original point is completely lost in your unrelenting virulent attacks. Imagine, you've posted perhaps 200 times in this thread - this is my second. In response to my first, you managed to spew out 5 separate posts, each falling down to the juvenile approach of making variants on my screen name such as "porn", "corn", etc. Seriously, have you hit puberty yet?
You also suggested I'm "hit and run". Sorry, I can't afford to spend hours and hours per day slobbering over a keyboard to be sure I can attack swiftly and immediately to anyone who might dare to disagree with me or challenge my intellectual superiority - I'm afraid you've got the corner on Machiavellian narcissism, pal. Lack of response on my part is not an indicator that you somehow intimidate me with your greatness, but only an indication that I might not check back on this page for a day or so. Some of us do have actual lives.
How any "respected regulars" on TP can defend you or tiptoe around your obsessiveness at this point is beyond me. You make Imus look like a creampuff.
Go ahead, spend another dozen posts ripping into me. It only serves to prove my point.
April 14th, 2007 at 2:56 amI WORFEUS:
I could point out your numerous errors (just in your re-posting my comment and attempting to discredit it), but you do it so well by yourself that any comment I make now would be redundant. But in case you need it punctuated, you STILL did not address my points. You merely took umbrage with what might reasonablly be assumed - that you have free time. Right now, I'm out of rope (because instead of spending my life attending to posting wars, the rest of my life has worn me out).
Consider yourself fortunate.
April 14th, 2007 at 2:58 amPS, FYI, and ohbytheway,
"Irregardless" is not a real world (not that I surmise reality is your strong suit anyway)
April 14th, 2007 at 3:02 amI watched Glenn Beck, twice to be exact.
April 14th, 2007 at 9:04 amBoth times he was a sexist, a racist, and a homophobe.
I haven't watched his show since, and rarely watch CNN due to their condoning his filth.
I've found MSNBC provides more intelligent coverage.
The real enemy is rap and rock music, or haven't you been paying attention to the conventional wisdom? Hint--PMRC, here we come, again. I wonder whose prudishness will win in the end, but I'm betting that the rightists will take this issue and turn it to their advantage against opiions and speech they do not like.
April 14th, 2007 at 9:38 amI think the reason Glenn Beck still has a job is because nobody really listens to him. He gets away with his absurd statements because his only audience is people that think like he does. That's the power of the consumer, if you don't like something, don't watch it. I've tried to watch him a couple of times, as I believe you should always know more about your enemy, but what comes out of his mouth is so absurd and laughable I couldn't watch an entire episode. I think CNN keeps him on because they are trying to balance the programming by having at least one conservative nut job.
April 14th, 2007 at 11:14 amThe issue here is not rap music. The issue is CNN's irresponsibility in allowing Beck to use public-franchised communications facilities to denigrate and villify specific persons and groups without have having to face the consequences of the damage his words cause.
Words can heal and words can hurt. Beck's words hurt people who have not been given the same power and platform by CNN, as it has to Beck, to defend themselves from Beck's ad hominem attacks. CNN (a public franchise) has allowed Beck to go on hurting, denigrating and villifying with impunity. CNN and its advertizers need to be held accountable for their irresponsibility.
Franken did a good job of getting that process started.
April 14th, 2007 at 11:31 amI WORFEUS
It is quite clear why “I†is the most prominent part of your screen name. Your self-absorption is quite impressive. How many people have abused in this thread with your condescension and smarm?
Comment by boring by any other name — April 14, 2007 @ 2:56 am
The "I" in my handle is a temporary addition and is way over your undereducated head.
As for the thread being about me, here you are, days later STILL addressing me with your long winded self righteous critique of me, yet you STILL run like a coward from the facts I presented.
You are desperately trying to make this thread about me, because like a right wing troll, you have zero debating skills and are unable to talk to issues and facts I raised.
You are trying to make the thread about me, because you suck as a debater, and are too much of a wimp to address the issues.
April 14th, 2007 at 11:45 amBeck is protected because he hates Muslims.
Jews call the shots -- spew hatred of Muslims - get a raise!!
Mike Savage is a case in point. He's the Jew in charge of riling up the knuckle dragging red states -- hate a Muslims today!! - get a raise!!
April 14th, 2007 at 11:48 amI WORFEUS:
I could point out your numerous errors (just in your re-posting my comment and attempting to discredit it), but you do it so well by yourself that any comment I make now would be redundant. But in case you need it punctuated, you STILL did not address my points. You merely took umbrage with what might reasonablly be assumed - that you have free time. Right now, I’m out of rope (because instead of spending my life attending to posting wars, the rest of my life has worn me out).
Consider yourself fortunate.
Comment by Just another Twit — April 14, 2007 @ 2:58 am
Anothe twit too weak to address the issues and instead tries to make this about me.
And once more you leave a post of sweeping generalizations with absolutely no details, facts or specifics to back them up.
Is there nothing in here but these WIMPS?
Is there NO ONE capable of forming a few coherent sentences to address the issues?
Or is it just a bunch of whining, overly sensitive politically correct wimps?
April 14th, 2007 at 11:49 amHey WIMPS.
Answer the question I've been asking for THREE DAYS, if you're so sure of your positions.
WHAT did Don Imus mean when he said this;
I don't know if if I'd have wanted to beat Rutgers.......but they did....
You whiny wimps claim you address my issues, but you don't. Not one of you whiny wimps has taken the time to LISTEN to the context of what Imus was saying, and instead like a bunch of nansy pansy minivan driving politically correct flag waving wimps just keep shouting "racist!".
When your nuts drop, give me a holler.
April 14th, 2007 at 11:55 amI don’t know if if I’d have wanted to beat Rutgers…….but they did….
Don Imus
April 14th, 2007 at 12:05 pmWORFEUS
Thank you for illustrating my point so perfectly, child.
And, your diversionary "question" has been answered repeatedly. You're so caught up in yourself, you refuse to see. You are a bore.
April 14th, 2007 at 12:50 pmWORFEUS
Thank you for illustrating my point so perfectly, child.
And, your diversionary “question†has been answered repeatedly. You’re so caught up in yourself, you refuse to see. You are a bore.
Comment by wimp by any other name — April 14, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
Once more the self righteous wimp attacks ME, but not my post.
He "claims" he's "answered" , but WHERE?
WHERE IS HIS ANSWER?
Its nowhere. Because he and the rest of the self righteous rabid racism spreaders in here cannot answer.
They can't answer because as soon as they do, their entire racism case falls apart.
April 14th, 2007 at 12:56 pmNow quit talking to ME wimp, and answer the question.
IF Don Imus intended to "Hurt" or "insult" the Rutgers team, then why was THIS what he said?
I don’t know if I’d have wanted to beat Rutgers…….but they did….
Why'd he say that?
April 14th, 2007 at 12:59 pmApril 14th, 2007 at 1:07 pm
And, your diversionary “question†has been answered repeatedly.
Comment by Liar by any other name — April 14, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
I forgot, you're not just a wimp, you're also a liar.
Prove otherwise.
First the question is NOT diversionary.
I am sure to a lying wimp like you, Don Imus' ACTUAL WORDS SPOKEN are somehow diversionary to you, because they divert from your ability to TWIST his words.
When confronted with his actual words you and the wimps like you just can't bring yourselves to read them, listen to them, or address them.
But you are also LYING when you claim the question has been answered.
It hasn't even been addressed!
Not by you. Not by anyone.
But you're welcome to prove me wrong.
Show us all ONE PLACE where that question has been answered.
Don't CLAIM its been answered. SHOW US.
Just ONE place.
You have plenty of time to keep coming back and attacking me, but in all your posts attacking me you simply could cut and paste your own answer IF YOU HAD ONE TO POST, but you don't.
You and the rest of the racist pigs like you have not mentioned ONE WORD IMUS SAID in this ENTIRE THREAD, OR THE LAST 3, other than the nappyheaded hos comment.
2 words out of an entire conversation.
You run from his ACTUAL WORDS because they expose you for the racist pigs and wimps you really are.
But hey, prove me wrong wimp.
Prove me wrong and show me where you, or any of the other wimps like you answered that question.
You can't, because you never did.
April 14th, 2007 at 1:53 pm
April 14th, 2007 at 1:55 pmDon Imus
Worfeus, the Obsessive Idiot: I'm not playing your vanity game. Get a life.
April 14th, 2007 at 4:46 pmHey I WORFEUS, I never mentioned your name, nor did I attack you personally. But now I see that you are calling me a pompous self righteous jackass. Your Post # 342. Let me give you a bit of advice. You have attacked everyone on this post one way or another. Now you are sniveling about me attacking the man because I can't refute the message! I never tried to refute the message, since I never felt there was one in your inane ramblings. You spend a lot of energy telling people to learn how to spell, because you feel it is necessary to criticize them, rather than acknowledge that they too may have something to say. Go back and look at your post #341. The fact that you use the word (Irregardless) in your rant illustrates how woefully ignorant you are. There is no such word! So, let's not have the pot calling the kettle black. Take a break from sniffing glue, and wasting peoples time with your ( it's all about "I WORFEUS" bullshit ) I feel sorry for you, if the only thing you have in life is this thread. Try giving up on Rosie Thumb and her four sisters, and go find a real girlfriend! Good Luck in the future!
April 14th, 2007 at 4:52 pmYou have attacked everyone on this post one way or another.
Comment by ChingarraSham — April 14, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
You know, you chuckleheads keep crying that I think this post is about me.
When I tell you to stop making it about me, and address the issues I raised or stop talking to me (so the thread won't be about me as you claim), you bozo's just stumble back in here and make it about ME again.
Its like talking to a bunch of lobotomy patients.
Well here. Let me set the record straight for you curly.
Everyone on this post has attacked me in one way or another without me first attacking them. You guys start it, then cry when you don't like it. You people keep saying I think this post is about me, while you're busy posting about me.
In YOUR mind its clearly all about me.
If you don't want to be called a pompous jackass, then don't walk into a blog thread and insult and mock someone who never said a word to you about anything. You didn't address the issues (as you yourself admit in above) you just made some general sweeping accusations against me, and then cried like a baby when I responded back.
You just insulted me and dismissed the facts I presented without ever addressing them. Now you're back crying because you got your feelings hurt.
Next time skippy, don't write a check with your mouth that your keyboard can't cash.
April 14th, 2007 at 5:43 pmBut I think I've figured out your strategy.
You are trolls, determined to bury my facts so you can spread your racist fearmongering.
Each time I put up a quote from Imus, one of you comes back and starts harping about how much you hate me.
So I'll just have to repost the facts.
April 14th, 2007 at 5:48 pmIgnore the trolls people and ask yourselves this question.
IF Don Imus intended to “Hurt†or “insult†the Rutgers team, then why was THIS what he said?
If someone says, "I don't know if you want to mess with this person, or that person", what does that mean?
They are COMPLIMENTING them. Flattering them. Saying "YOU'RE TOUGH".
Which is what Imus was saying to the Rutgers team.
And everyone would hear it, if the racism mongering idiots would just shut up.
April 14th, 2007 at 5:52 pmDon Imus
April 14th, 2007 at 5:52 pmOut of all the people in here, I am the only one it seems who is actually concerned with what Don Imus REALLY SAID.
And of all the people in here, I am the ONLY one who is willing to address what he REALLY SAID, and who is posting his ACTUAL WORDS.
So hey. Maybe it really IS all about me!
:O
Just kiddin.
The truth is, when it comes to race relations, the activists, politicians and the media, all play you people like Pavlov's Dogs.
April 14th, 2007 at 6:02 pmDon Imus
April 14th, 2007 at 6:04 pmWorfeus is angry at me: "Irregardless of the fact that you don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground..."
Worf, may I suggest that if you're going to call someone stupid, don't begin your sentence with "irregardless." In fact, don't use the word at all. It's not a word. Oh, and one more thing: Imus is an assinine, absurd poser. He's a racist blowhard and a classless piece of crap. The fact that he's popular is simply another indication of how base our culture has become. That's my opinion, at least.
April 14th, 2007 at 6:23 pmAre we seeing a pattern yet here people?
I post the facts, and one by one in come the trolls to give me personal advice, insult me and never address the facts.
This idiot is still grabbing at a percieved grammatical error.
Well bluedoggy, you just keep sinking lower and lower don't you?
Did you happen to READ my last dozen posts telling idiots like you to either address the WORDS OF IMUS that I posted or don't talk to me, at me or about me?
What is it about Don Imus's ACTUAL WORDS that frightens you little hatemongerers so much?
April 14th, 2007 at 6:39 pmNow can I get back to what Don Imus said, or did you have more typos and grammar checks you wanted to run?
:|
Like "Dawn of the Dumb"
April 14th, 2007 at 6:41 pmWell I can see TP has decided to side with you, and are now deleting my comments, so they can let the wimps whine without being rebuffed. Thats all you're good at anyway. Talking without opposition and shouting people down.
So have at it.
You're reduced to typos and hunting for what you think are grammar errors.
Cause GOD KNOWS you ain't got the balls to talk to the facts
Irregardless is primarily found in North America, most notably in Boston and surrounding areas, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, and was first acknowledged in 1912 by the Wentworth American Dialect Dictionary as originating from western Indiana.
Definition:
The word is used interchangeably with regardless.
April 14th, 2007 at 7:03 pm
And Don Imus was praising the Rutgers team, "irregardless" of what you think.
April 14th, 2007 at 7:24 pmKevin 20%-er your negative kind follow blindly.
April 14th, 2007 at 10:09 pmStudies show 20% of people need to follow a bully...isn't that Bush's acceptance rating? You fit right into the mold.. congratulations
For the Sad Case:
Bet you had to search long and hard to find a source that give some window of credibility to "irregardless". Unfortunately, Wikipedia is not a high credibility source. Here are a couple of better ones:
American Heritage Dictionary
Usage Note: Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir- prefix and -less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.
Online Etymology Dictionary
April 14th, 2007 at 10:39 pmirregardless
an erroneous word that, etymologically, means the exact opposite of what it is used to express, attested in non-standard writing from 1912, probably a blend of irrespective and regardless. Perhaps inspired by the double negative used as an emphatic.
WORFEUS, writing about peoples private parts in nearly every post really speaks to your intellect.
April 14th, 2007 at 10:49 pmWORFEUS:
They are COMPLIMENTING them. Flattering them. Saying “YOU’RE TOUGHâ€.
Which is what Imus was saying to the Rutgers team.
Once again, your point was understood each of the first 1000 times you stated it. The part you don't get is this: "so what?" What you say is true, however this is also true: it was rude, racist, sexist, and totally inappropriate for the situation. He fully deserves to get slapped down (as he himself admits), as does ANYONE ELSE in a SIMILAR POSITION making SIMILAR STATEMENTS. He has every right to say stupid things, but listeners, sponsors, and employers have every right to slap him down for it.
So what exactly is your problem?
Nevermind. PLEASE don't answer. But also PLEASE don't claim that nobody has responded to your idiot non-point that what he really meant was a compliment. IT DOESN'T MATTER!
Gawd.
April 14th, 2007 at 10:54 pmFor thellove of God.
Gorn you are the dumbest SOB I've ever seen.
First, YOU ARE STILL trying to turn the Imus controversy into a discussion on the use of the word irregular.
You pathetic freaking little worm. I flush smarter turds than you.
This is NOT about the meaning of the word irregular you pathetic hack, and I did NOT have to search long and hard as you put it as wiki is the first google return when you type in the word. Course as stupid as you are, maybe it did take you a lot of searching.
But you know whats funnier and more pathetic than the fact that after I repeatedly try to get you mental midgets to addresss the issue you still try to debate grammatics instead of the topics like a stupid little troll?
Do you? Do you know whats more pathetic than that?
Then try READING your own defination dumbass.
CASUAL WRITING?
Hmmmm, like....geee.... I don't know.. , like ........BLOGGING MAYBE?
:|
Its like talking to a cowpie.
April 14th, 2007 at 10:56 pmWORFEUS, writing about peoples private parts in nearly every post really speaks to your intellect.
Comment by puseeee — April 14, 2007 @ 10:49 pm
And attacking me without addressing even one of the issues I introduced really speaks to your intellect.
Or lack thereof.
April 14th, 2007 at 11:04 pmWORFEUS sez, in two different posts:
Well I can see TP has decided to side with you, and are now deleting my comments,
Each time I put up a quote from Imus, one of you comes back and starts harping about how much you hate me.
I'm not surprised to see raging paranoia. It's another clear sign of your obsessive and narcissistic personality disorders that have already been on public display. If this cyber-persona matches your real persona, you may need professional help.
Speaking for myself, I don't "hate" you. For god's sake, I know nothing about you except that you have hijacked a couple of threads over a period of a few days harping on a single (and relatively unimportant) topic and give every appearance of being a raging nut.
Far from hating you, I don't care about you at all except to the extent that your high volume, barely topical posting rose to the point of being a major annoyance in following the thread. I suggested that you take a deep breath and give all of us, including you, a break by walking away for awhile. Although this was met with a string of rabid name calling, (as no doubt will be the case following this post), I again renew the suggesting that you give it a rest.
April 14th, 2007 at 11:07 pmStop talking to me dickhead.
April 14th, 2007 at 11:09 pmWORFEUS
Cool it, dude, you're gonna bust an artery.
I'm not interested in comparing IQ points with you. I stand by my posts. If you had a little self confidence, you could do the same. If I'm shown wrong about something, I'll fess up to it and move on. If you had a little self confidence, you could do the same.
No need to go off on an ad hominem attack. It only confirms the weakness of your position, particularly when it is so laughably off-base.
Regarding the word irregardless, I was providing contextual information in the thread. I neither initiated the issue nor defended it (that was you). I only provided a better source for your edification. Wikipedia is not a great source for definitive answers - I assume you understand that 'cause you're so darned smart. Try dictionary.com because it collects several definitive sources in one place, quickly.
Bottom line, if you're going to use that word, people are going to think you're an ignoramus, so you'd be advised against using it. This is particularly the case in the context where you are trying to pass yourself off as some intellectual giant. (You know, by saying things like "you are the dumbest SOB I’ve ever seen.You pathetic freaking little worm. I flush smarter turds than you.")
You're welcome.
April 14th, 2007 at 11:20 pm"Stop talking to me dickhead."
Don't know who this is aimed at WORFEUS, but given that you've forcefully suggested about how nobody dare tell you what, where, and when to post, you are acting like a remarkable hypocrite.
Try a post without personal attack for a change.
April 14th, 2007 at 11:24 pmThe issue to be addressed in this thread is not Imus, rap music, or I Worfeus (censored or otherwise).
The issue is CNN’s irresponsibility in allowing Beck to use public-franchised communications facilities to denigrate and villify specific persons and groups without having to face the consequences of the damage his words cause.
Words can heal and words can hurt. Beck’s words hurt people who have not been given the same power and platform by CNN, as it has to Beck, to defend themselves from Beck’s ad hominem attacks. CNN (a public franchise) has allowed Beck to go on hurting, denigrating and villifying with impunity.
CNN and its advertizers need to be held accountable for their irresponsibility.
Franken did a good job of getting that process started.
April 14th, 2007 at 11:28 pmDon Imus did NOT intend to slander the Rutgers team and therefore Don Imus did NOT intend any racist slander.
I never said he "intended racist slander". You are changing the argument. You (repeatedly) asked someone, ANYONE, to respond to your contention that Imus intended the comment as a compliment. I responded to it, and then you changed the argument. How can you be so intellectually dishonest?
I doubt the guy intended it as racist slander. He's gotten paid large sums of money for many years for being an abrasive a-hole and he's always gotten away with it, so at this point his mouth moves faster than his brain.
(Ir)regardless of whether the comment was "racist slander" using your terminology, the words most certainly are racist and sexist (meaning they have stereotypical and derogatory racial and gender content). He deserves to be slapped down. So do all the other rap stars, shock jocks, and blowhard "pundits" who have so destroyed public discourse in this country.
Again, they all have the right to be disgusting pigs, but the people, the sponsors, and the employers have every right to slap them down for it.
I now await, with anxious amusement, more hateful vitriol hurled by you in my direction.
April 14th, 2007 at 11:32 pmSigh. Now that this thread is basically like Beck's career should be, i.e., DEAD, it is time to retrieve it from the off-topic rant of a person whose tone has been like that of Beck (I am "right" and you are to be CONDEMNED because you don't agree with me!). So, one last time:
The issue is CNN’s irresponsibility in allowing Beck to use public-franchised communications facilities to denigrate and villify specific persons and groups without having to face the consequences of the damage his words cause.
Words can heal and words can hurt. Beck’s words hurt people who have not been given the same power and platform by CNN, as it has to Beck, to defend themselves from Beck’s ad hominem attacks. CNN (a public franchise) has allowed Beck to go on hurting, denigrating and villifying with impunity.
CNN and its advertizers need to be held accountable for their irresponsibility.
Franken did a good job of getting that process started.
Sadly, this thread did little to keep the process going. Too bad.
April 15th, 2007 at 11:41 amhterrya:
Couldn't agree more that the more pertinent discussion is the one you outline. However, this thread is now so far off the radar screen that it's doubtful the conversation will progress. Next time the topic pops up, hopefully it won't be hijacked.
April 15th, 2007 at 7:06 pmWith knuckleheads like you wimps in the thread, who can't debate the issues, and keep harping over trivia until I get banned, they should change the name of this blog to Think Egress.
April 16th, 2007 at 11:01 amHey Gorn and Hyterra............Worfeus says to kiss his ass and if you want a piece of him feel free to come to
https://www2.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=9102706&postID=6877748686018070312
April 16th, 2007 at 12:59 pmI am amazed at the hate in these comments.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:48 pmDoes anyone on this board not know that Don Imus is a liberal?
also I find it rather sad that Imus had cracked jew jokes for years but is only found to be a "racists" when it is about blacks.
Al Sharpton actually said "Jew them down" on his radio show to no outrage.
I try to believe that no one is right or wrong all the time and the issues should be the point of debate and this forum is just filled with partisan hate instead of actual debate.
It is amazing these 'high and mighty' corporations that sponsor the likes of the psychopathic liars like Rush, Shawn, and Glenn. These ravenous pushers of hate are propped up by these neocon corporations. You must note and avoid the sposors of these shows and encourage others to do the same. The air waves are supposed to be publicly owned. Clinton gave that "farm" away.
April 17th, 2007 at 12:01 amSo Rosie can spew her terrorist sympathy BS on the national television with no repercussions, and at the same time Beck tells it like it is and suddenly hes a bigot and should be fired? Come one people at least attempt to make it sound unbiased. Go ahead.....tell me I'm a bigot and a hate monger. I get a kick out of it.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:33 pmWell, I have to agree with al, in that there are enough vitriolic bigots to go around.
While everyone is getting side-tracked with the one most recent (Imus) we seem to ignore, or are not aware, of those not always brought out into the public spotlight. Though Glenn Beck does put his foot in his mouth more often than not, he certainly is not the worst offender.
I have heard much worse from the likes of rev. Al Sharpton, Rush, Hannitty, Jesse Jackson, bill o'reilly(sorry, could not lower myself to CAP that one). You could go on forever. So, I can only assume that it is because negativity sells, and as long as they make the money for their platforms they are safe to say whatever they want no matter who it may offend. please don't overlook the fact that Imus was not fired until after enough sponsors had bailed-thus affecting the bottom line.Yet MSNBC and CBS are only doing"the right thing" after the demographics are in.
P.S.-Anyone who thinks Al Franken can’t debate on real issues is to be laughed at, and certainly does not know or listen to him.
April 27th, 2007 at 11:25 pmOH ,Just an afterthought, when i was mentioniong notable pundits, I forgot the greatest no-mind hate monger of them all- ANNE COULTER. Does anyone take her ?-seriously --SERIOUSLY
April 27th, 2007 at 11:59 pmO.K. After having read most of these posts there is a pattern emerging. It seems as though nobody can truly debate any more,or as Mr limbaugh puts it-"compete in the arena of ideas". According to him, once a liberal has spewed his two or three line "talking points" they have nothing else to say so you can't have a serious discussion with them ( Anne Coulter loves to repeat this myth). The truth is, they most likely won't let one get two full lines out before they start talking over you, or worse yet, go to their strongest suit- attacking you personally(argumentum ad homen). Rather than truly discuss anything they just start name calling and throwing insults. I fail to see how this furthers the cause of serious discussion.
Now I know I weighed in way too late and that most of the principles in this discourse will never see my comments as this is by now a long forgotten event. Nonetheless I will check back just to see.
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