McCain Admits He’s ‘Digging For The Pony’ In Iraq
McCain Admits He’s ‘Digging For The Pony’ In Iraq
Following his speech on Iraq yesterday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) held a conference call with conservative bloggers.
One blogger, Ed Morrissey, asked about efforts by Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr to oppose the new U.S. Baghdad security plan. According to two reports of the call, McCain repeated his prediction that Sadr wouldn’t end up opposing U.S. forces, but admitted he may be “digging for the pony.”
I asked the Senator whether Moqtada al-Sadr’s new orders for the Mahdi Army to attack American forces could cause a collapse of the Maliki government. McCain thinks Sadr is mostly bluffing; he waited too long and has not made a personal appearance for too long, and a defeat at the hands of the American and Iraqi forces would finish him. Joking that he was “digging for the pony here,” he predicted that Sadr would back down as he has in the past rather than take that big of a gamble.
Ed also asks about al-Sadr fighting back against the surge. McCain said that he’s heard that before, but it never happened. Says it’s interesting that demonstrations that took place in Najaf yesterday were peaceful. While they wanted us out, it’s a good sign that they demonstrate peacefully.
As to Sadr, McCain says he’s in a bit of a “tenuous situation” because people are tired of executions and killings. Saying a good sign is a big reduction in the number of bodies on the streets of Bagdhad every day. Still not good.
Says he may be “digging for the pony”, but doesn’t think al-Sadr would make good on threats because if he loses, then he’s “finished”. Shouldn’t want “all or nothing” with US, and that Iraqi military is getting stronger.
McCain’s desperate attempts to find a pony in Iraq, or fabricate ponies when necessary, explain why people don’t trust what he says about the war.
As ThinkProgress documented, McCain wrote in an op-ed on Sunday that “al-Sadr is in hiding, his followers are not contesting American forces.” The very next day, Sadr released a statement urging Iraqis to consider the U.S. their “archenemy” and to “turn all their efforts on American forces.”
Sadr called a rally on Tuesday where “hundreds of thousands of Shia protesters…burned and trampled on US flags in the Iraqi holy city of Najaf.” On Saturday, Reuters reported, “Iraqi and U.S. forces clashed with Shi’ite militia loyal to the radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr…in a dawn operation aimed at returning the volatile city of Diwaniya to government control.”
All aboard the Pony Express!
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The pony is right behind you, Pork Chop.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:33 amWhat? Why don’t you and Lieberman go have lunch and discuss your “retirement.” Maybe you two can share a room in the loony bin.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:37 amI wish McCain would dig up his ass and pull his head out of it. That goes for all republicans.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:39 amWell, this may explain the rather large amount of organic fertilizer McCain’s been shoveling for a while now… ^_^
April 12th, 2007 at 10:44 amthe drugs must be fantastic on whatever planet McCain lives on…
April 12th, 2007 at 10:45 amGiven the Democrat like rally he had over the weekend, you know the one where you expect 3,000,000 and three thousand show up. I’d say Sadr’s turban is too tight.
But I do enjoy the moonbats of TP cheering him on.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:45 amPatrick in a pony stall
April 12th, 2007 at 10:49 amBeing called a moonbat from someone like you Pat, just makes me glad I do the things I do! Yeah moonbats forever! Woohoo! I love moonbats and all that us moonbats do. Long live moonbats.
Down with the Republics….
April 12th, 2007 at 10:51 amWhat does digging for the pony mean? I mean, within the context, I can sort of figure it out but I’ve never heard that expression before.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:52 amSaint mccain has been so absolutely accurate in his predictions and statements about the illegal, immoral, and impeachable occupation of Iraq that I want him as my CinC. I would follow him to wherever he wants to lead us. I can’t wait to go over that cliff that I see him heading for. More people should get behind him and push so we can go faster.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:56 amPerhaps it refers to the adage:
“If you are in the middle of a pile of (bush),
there must be a horse around…”
Just my guess, ?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:58 ammargaret - i’m guessing he flubbed his words…
also guessing he meant “wishing for the pony”…
yea, you knew that…
maybe he was conflating “digging a hole” - which is what he is
April 12th, 2007 at 10:59 amactually doing… doncha know…
When is Pelosi meeting with Sadr?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:59 amRemember one of the arguments gor going into Iraq was to offer stability to the region, because instability was a breeding ground for terrorism?
Well, four years after the US/Iraq war and 5 years after the US/Afghan war how are things looking in the region?
Let’s take a look at the headlines for today in Yahoo:
As of 10:59 a.m. EDT
• Bombing at Iraqi parliament kills 2
• Turkey launches offensives on rebels
• Syria, Israel rebuff unofficial envoy
• At least 35 Afghan militants killed
• Death toll in Algeria bombings hits 33
• India test-fires nuclear-capable missile
• Musharraf: 300 foreign militants killed
Mission accomplished!
April 12th, 2007 at 11:01 am-GSD
I long for the good old stable days of September 11, 2001.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:06 amWay to go, Patrick1. Good job impersonating a human. Still dumber than an insect, though.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:06 amI wonder if John has heard about the attack against the Parliment building in the Green Zone,killing atleast 3 members.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:07 amIs this guy reminding anyone else of ‘Baghdad Bob’?
Did they say doing a donkey show in Tijuana?
April 12th, 2007 at 11:07 amI’ve no idea what “digging for the pony” means either.
It’s obvious that McCain, like President Bush, has lost all touch with reality. There are thousands of people marching in the streets, bombings INSIDE the Green Zone and we’re up to 4.3 soldiers killed a DAY. But everything’s peachy, isn’t it?
April 12th, 2007 at 11:12 amFlip-flop McCain has fallen to third place for the rethuglican nomination…behind Fred Thompson who has not even entered the race…BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
http://www.latimes.com/ news/ politics/ la-na-poll12apr12,1,5992585.story
April 12th, 2007 at 11:13 amPatrick1 sez:
I’ll bet you do. I’ll bet it really bothers you that people are finally starting to wake up.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:14 amThanks Raven & Katy. GWB-that imagery is a bit much for me in the morning! : 0
April 12th, 2007 at 11:14 amI long for the days before Patrick1 showed up.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:16 amIf John McCain dug for, and then found, that pony in Iraq, wouldn’t any buried ponies be (by definition) dead & decaying?
Or is he referring to an as-yet-unknown species of burrowing ponies who form underground colonies. Is Iraq known somehow for mole ponies?
April 12th, 2007 at 11:16 amComment by Republicans are[…]— April 12, 2007 @ 11:13 am
when thompson aired his own laundry about his cancer the other day, that pretty much told me he’s gonna run…
April 12th, 2007 at 11:17 amyay… another old man… just what we need…
Dear Progs - Unfortunately, the breeding ground for Islamic terror is not poverty or an inability of the West to understand and appease “misunderstood” suicide bombers and IED “planters”. The problem with militant Islam is the inability of it’s adherents in developing Western compassion and acceptance - and the goal of radical Islamists to re-invent a worldwide caliphate.
Few Americans, Brits, French, etc. closed the doors on Muslim immigrants. None forced Muslim immigrants to adopt their official religions. But the same cannot be said for radical clerics and their Islamic followers. Forever stuck in a time warp, these radicals will not be happy until you and I are dead and the burka factories are humming at full production.
Unfortunately, the best thing we can do is keep them “busy” where they are with a show of strength. They do not admire your calls for peace and conciliation - they view you as weak willed, easily tricked and easily dominated. And too many of you have done all you can to reinforce their opinion.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:17 amPatrick + pony + stable = employment
April 12th, 2007 at 11:19 amI’ll bet it really bothers you that people are finally starting to wake up.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — April 12, 2007 @ 11:14 am
Was it difficult to resist referring to his “stable” reference TPM?
It does seem as though more and more people ARE “waking up” these days - thankfully!!!
The down side to all of these people waking up is that there’s a lot more grouchy people out there! People are NOT amused with what’s becoming more and more apparent!
April 12th, 2007 at 11:21 am#26 - “official religions”? Please explain.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:23 amWhere is anybody cheering on Al-sadr?
Another lie by a Repuke troll
Go back under your bridge, troll.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:25 am… these radicals will not be happy until you and I are dead…
Comment by valiant venus
Val,they want us out of their country. Just like ,I’d hope, we would want Saddam out of ours.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:25 amThe Pony is Paul?
*Shut up Donnie!*
April 12th, 2007 at 11:26 amToday in Iraq, insurgents infiltrated the high-security Green Zone and exploded a bomb in the Iraqi Parliament cafeteria. At least 2 Iraqi legislators are dead and over a dozen wounded.
Also today in Iraq, insurgents with a truck bomb detonated a span of a major bridge in Baghdad, sending cars plummeting into the Tigris. At least 10 dead.
McCain is looking for the pony in a pile of shit as tall as Everest.
Good luck, McCrazy.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:27 amI’ve noticed the grouchiness as well, margaret.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:27 amRoad rage, irritability, stress, all seem to be increasing…
The 30% hangers-on who still can’t admit they made a tremendous error by supporting Boosch have really become a stumbling block…
He misappropriated the metaphor. What he meant was “screwing the pooch.”
April 12th, 2007 at 11:29 am“Digging for the pony” is likely a reference to the old joke:
The parents of an optimist and a pessimist wanted their kids to learn to be more realistic, so for Christmas one year they gave the pessimist a pony.
“Oh, no. This is terrible,” said the pessimist. “Just my luck, I’ll fall off the pony and break my neck and die. And even if that doesn’t happen, someday the pony will die.”
They hoped to have better luck with the optimist. They gave the optimist a crate of manure.
The optimist was thrilled. “Hooray!” she shouted, immediately commencing to dig into the manure with her bare hands. She was flinging manure all over the place.
“Wait,” said one of the parents. “We just gave you a crate of manure for Christmas. Why are you so happy?”
“Because there’s gotta be a pony in here somewhere!”
April 12th, 2007 at 11:29 am“Go back under your bridge, troll.”
he can’t. the bridge was blown up and is floating in the tigris river.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:30 amRoad rage indeed.
I’m worried that the 30%ers, as represented by the trolls in here, are going to go off the deep end.
They’re a bunch of inbred drunken gun nuts. So they can do a lot of damage when they go off the deep end. Until a cop puts a bullet in their brain pan.
Repukes are psychotics and need mental health care.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:31 amUPDATE
Atleast 8 dead in Green Zone Parliment building bombing.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:31 amOh,and a Baghdad Bridge destroyed;Lord only knows how many GWB. laid to rest with that one.
Or is he referring to an as-yet-unknown species of burrowing ponies who form underground colonies. Is Iraq known somehow for mole ponies?
Comment by El Cid — April 12, 2007 @ 11:16 am
As somebody said above, we don’t know what drugs he’s taking so its hard to come up with the answers to your questions. Kind of depends on if he takes hallucinogens or forgets to take anti-psychotics.
Maybe Patrick1 knows the answer he seems to be swilling the same juice.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:33 am#36 - Good background, and surprisingly good metaphor for the pro-surgers.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:33 amThe problem with militant Islam is the inability of it’s adherents in developing Western compassion and acceptance
Comment by valiant venus — April 12, 2007 @ 11:17 am
“Western compassion and acceptance” like the kind you exhibit here daily. Maybe you should look these words up in the dictionary and tell us when your “team” is going to start exhibiting some of these traits.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:36 amI knew once I brought up Donkey Shows, ole Valiunt Venus would show up.
Gee Valicunt so really they’re not much different than you Christians? What’s your point? You keep thinking you have the right to impose upon peoples freedoms of choice. Or how someone may be born to be attracted to the same sex. A little look in the mirror and you’ll see you’re no better than they are, actually worse because at least they really try to practice what is preached, Christians on the other hand are hypocritical.
BTW How’s your dead baby?
April 12th, 2007 at 11:38 am“I long for the good old stable days of September 11, 2001.
Comment by Patrick1 —”
or more specifically, the unchallenged facisim that resulted from that tragedy. I hope that patrick isn’t longing for the unwarrented deaths of innocent people, but who knows…
April 12th, 2007 at 11:39 am#29 - Official religions refer to the Church of England, Lutheranism in Sweden (which have official religions but contemporary religious tolerance) and the majority of Protestant, Catholic and Secular Humanists who inhabit most Western countries - where different religious practices are allowed. For example, people in the West do not make a habit of blowing themselves up with a group of their neighbours due to differences in religion. The West does not have state sponsored television programming extolling the virtues of “martyrdom” and suicide bombing” for young children.
Funny, Muslim extremists demand tolerance, as is their right - and extend none.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:41 amMcCain is digging his political grave and it is not a pretty sight to behold!
April 12th, 2007 at 11:44 am“Val,they want us out of their country. Just like ,I’d hope, we would want Saddam out of ours.” Comment by ∞Ω
Your “explanation” works since 9/11. BUT please explain ALL Islamic terrorist strikes and foiled plots before/after we were in Iraq, Lebanon or Saudi Arabia during the last 35 years. Hint: the most common thread is our alliance with Israel, which they hope to destroy.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:45 am“Because there’s gotta be a pony in here somewhere!â€
Comment by s.m. koppelman — April 12, 2007 @ 11:29 am
L O L …
April 12th, 2007 at 11:46 amthat was great… probably the source of mccave’s comment…
i’d forgetton about that one… have heard it, loooong ago…
Digging for a pony? This is a new one to me. Maybe digging refers to digging in, and sweating out the trouble to get this fine pony, this equestrian payday which eludes us.
The phrase that immediately came to mind of course, is kicking a dead horse.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:46 am#45…valiant venus = mighty aphrodite…Yesterday you said that John McCain spells “L-e-a-d-e-r-s-h-i-p.” Today you’re solving the world’s problems with the same backwards viewpoint. Nobody takes you seriously so you may as well stop posting here. I’m sure there are anti-muslim, pro-John McCain blogs that will welcome you into their klan with open arms.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:48 amNaturally, shane could not discuss radical Muslim “mindsets” - yawnnnn…Go pull the covers up over your head….
April 12th, 2007 at 11:49 amMaybe our alliance with Israel SHOULD be destroyed.
We give them billions a year.
They attacked our ship and killed sailors.
We support them politically.
They spy on us with impunity.
Israel has become a rogue state and is not our ally.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:51 am“For example, people in the West do not make a habit of blowing themselves up with a group of their neighbours due to differences in religion.”
Bullshit. Tell that to the Irish.
There are sick psychotic whackos in every religion. Don’t single out Islam.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:53 amMcCain cant even buy rugs in the green zone these days
April 12th, 2007 at 11:55 amI dig a pony
Well you can celebrate anything you want
Well you can celebrate anything you want
Ooh.
I do a road hog
Well you can penetrate any place you go
Yes you can penetrate any place you go
I told you so, all I want is you.
Ev’rything has got to be just like you want it to
Because–
I pick a moon dog
Well you can radiate ev’rything you are
Yes you can radiate ev’rything you are–
Ooh.
I roll a stoney
Well you can imitate ev’ryone you know
Yes you can imitate ev’ryone you know
I told you so, all I want is you.
Ev’rything has got to be just like you want it to
Because–
I feel the wind blow
Well you can indicate ev’rything you see
Yes you can indicate ev’rything you see–
Ooh.
I dug a pony
April 12th, 2007 at 11:56 amWell you can syndicate any boat you row
Yes you can syndicate any boat you row
I told you so, all I want is you.
Ev’rything has got to be just like you want it to
Because–
Google come up with this Reagan variation of Koppelman’s joke above. from National Review:
Lopez: What’s your most treasured life lesson inspired by RWR?
Robinson: That one’s easy. The pony in the dung heap.
It was Reagan’s favorite joke. Worried that their son was too optimistic, the parents of a little boy took him to a psychiatrist. Trying to dampen the boy’s spirits, the psychiatrist showed him into a room piled high with nothing but horse manure. Yet instead of displaying distaste, the little boy clambered to the top of the pile, dropped to all fours, and began digging.
“What do you think you’re doing?†the psychiatrist asked.
“With all this manure,†the little boy replied, beaming, “there must be a pony in here somewhere.â€
April 12th, 2007 at 11:56 am43 - “A little look in the mirror and you’ll see you’re no better than they are, actually worse because at least they really try to practice what is preached, Christians on the other hand are hypocritical.”
Factually, I’m ALOT better than they are. I have no desire to convert or kill my neighbours - I respect their right to believe (or not believe) as they wish. No one is blown up in a grocery store because I have planted a bomb or strapped little children in a bomb laden car. You are a disgusting piece of moral relativism - and I am in no way a threat to you even though I find your “thinking” repugnant.
As for the moral issues you cite - my disagreement to gay marriage, abortion on demand, and my anti-death penalty stance - I am free to hold these views and express those views in public forums. My views are not actions - and are no threat to anyone.
You pitiful little hypocrite….
Off to work………
April 12th, 2007 at 11:59 amBTW: digging for a pony is ultimately based on a story that was supposed to illustrate Reagan’s eternal optimism but in the last few years really has to be attributed to a running joke of Atrios’ about Republicans trying to find good news in Iraq. Its very strange that McCain is using those terms.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:00 pm#52 - Tom3 - nice try - anemic, but nice. The Irish problem has been solved - you can’t say the same for the intolerance of radical Muslims….
Tooodles……..
April 12th, 2007 at 12:01 pmwait…mccain writes an opED about sadr being in hiding, and scared and all that, but the next day, sadr calls for increased resistance to american forces….”emboldening our enemies” anyone????
April 12th, 2007 at 12:03 pmWell at least McCain is admitting that there is a lot of “manure” in Iraq right now!
Are they trying to make al-Sadr the new bogeyman? They love having one of those to refer to all the time.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:06 pm“For example, people in the West do not make a habit of blowing themselves up with a group of their neighbours due to differences in religion.â€
Timothy McVeigh. Oh, I’m sorry, he managed to not be near the bomb when it went off. Otherwise,…
April 12th, 2007 at 12:08 pmIt’s the war, stupid!
April 12th, 2007 at 12:13 pmThe United States military has paid $32 million to Iraqis and Afghans for noncombat-related killings, injuries and damage.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/
In February 2006, nervous American soldiers in Tikrit killed an Iraqi fisherman on the Tigris River after he leaned over to switch off his engine.
In the case of the fisherman in Tikrit, he and his companion desperately tried to appear unthreatening to an American helicopter overhead.
“They held up the fish in the air and shouted ‘Fish! Fish!’ to show they meant no harm,” said the Army report attached to the claim filed by the fisherman’s family. The Army refused to compensate for the killing, ruling that it was “combat activity,” but approved $3,500 for his boat, net and cellphone, which drifted away and were stolen.
In another incident, in 2005, an American soldier in a dangerous Sunni Arab area south of Baghdad killed a boy after mistaking his book bag for a bomb satchel. The Army paid the boy’s uncle $500.
In September 2005, soldiers killed a man and his sister by firing 200 rounds into their car as it approached a checkpoint, apparently too quickly, near Mussayib. The Army lieutenant colonel who handled the claim awarded relatives a $10,000 compensation payment, finding that the soldiers had overstepped the rules of engagement.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:13 pm“Timothy McVeigh. Oh, I’m sorry, he managed to not be near the bomb when it went off. Otherwise,…”
there you go.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:21 pmValicunt says:
My views are not actions - and are no threat to anyone.
Yah but you vote, and those are actions you ignorant slut.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:22 pmPatrick1,
Nancy Pelosi went to Syria (after and before Republican’t delegations, and with a Republican’t included in her delegation) for two reasons. One, to open dialogue because gwb won’t, and won’t be in office much longer, and two, to pass along a message from the Israeli’s as reported in the Israeli press.
Invading and occupying another nation is always a mistake (and morally repugnant). How many nations are still occupied by thier invaders?
April 12th, 2007 at 12:24 pmMaybe Patrick1, LIEberBush and McCain can take than unescorted walk through some of Baghdad’s markets very soon. Just stay away from the main streets, the sidestreets, the bridges, the Green Zone….
Let us know how many flowers and kisses–and shrapnel and IEDs don’t count–you receive, Patrick1!
April 12th, 2007 at 12:31 pm#64 - Yep, Tim McVeigh and Eric Rudolph (you forgot THAT one!) are excellent examples of the prevalent fundalmentalist Christian mindset.
(sarcasm off).
God, Venus was right - she said your vision was myopic.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:31 pmHe’s digging for the pony, and flinging horsesh!t on the rest of us!
April 12th, 2007 at 12:36 pmPrince Valiant sez:
Yes…of course…Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are much more representative of the Fundies, aren’t they?
April 12th, 2007 at 12:42 pmComment by valiant venus — April 12, 2007 @ 11:41 am
Perhaps you’re forgetting about “God Camp” with their cardboard cutout of Bush.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:42 pmTMM, Evilbible.com?? NO agenda there!
April 12th, 2007 at 12:45 pmNaturally, shane could not discuss radical Muslim “mindsets†- yawnnnn…Go pull the covers up over your head….
Comment by valiant venus — April 12, 2007 @ 11:49 am
We could discuss that and Fundamentalist Christian mindsets as well. I personally don’t see any difference. Fundamentalist is fundamentalist only difference is the American Christian Fundamentalists are the ones destroy the Constitution and our liberties and trying to destroy our way of life.
I’m sure you know more about it than we do. You trolls are all insiders after all. Part of the big plan for us ignorant Americans. Go ahead, tell us about all we don’t know that’s happening to us. I’m sure with your talking points every day you get some info on which way to lead us and why.
Are you proud of yourself, destroying this great country for your party. Are you working off your scholarship to one of your Christian Colleges by staying here and trying to disrupt these threads.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:50 pmWhatever your payoff I hope its worth it to you because when America as we know it is gone you will be in the same pile of shit as the rest of us.
McCane,Clouseau,McCane,Clouseau!! I can’t get it out of my mind, i’m i going insane??? HELP
April 12th, 2007 at 12:51 pmI have no desire to convert or kill my neighbours - I respect their right to believe (or not believe) as they wish.
As for the moral issues you cite - my disagreement to gay marriage, abortion on demand, and my anti-death penalty stance - I am free to hold these views and express those views in public forums. My views are not actions - and are no threat to anyone.
You pitiful little hypocrite….
Comment by valiant venus — April 12, 2007 @ 11:59 am
EVERY DAY you are here forcing your beliefs on people with different views than yours. This is Think Progress not Neocon Junction.
And then you have the nerve to call somebody else a hypocrite. Well then admit you’re a liar.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:55 pm“#64 - Yep, Tim McVeigh and Eric Rudolph (you forgot THAT one!) are excellent examples of the prevalent fundalmentalist Christian mindset.
(sarcasm off).
God, Venus was right - she said your vision was myopic.”
i’m sorry, i was responding to #61. i never made a point of talking about them being christian. neither did #61. and i’d love to see where she told me i was myopic. i am curious though why she spells “neighbours” with a “u”.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:04 pmShane - I have abusy day scheduled - I will address your “points” and have then waste no further comments on your “positions” - it’s redundant and a waste of time.
“We could discuss that and Fundamentalist Christian mindsets as well. I personally don’t see any difference.”
Then you are more ignorant than I imagined. Wholesale slaughter of neighbours who are not in agreement with their views is NOT something to fear while grocery shopping or re-treadding your Birkenstocks.
“Fundamentalist is fundamentalist only difference is the American Christian Fundamentalists are the ones destroy the Constitution and our liberties and trying to destroy our way of life.”
Backa$$wards again! Christians want the Constitution upheld so they can pursue happiness, life and liberty with everyone else. They want no established religion, as that would impede their ability to worship God as they see fit. Many are tired of Progressives trying to completely destroy American culture and society. You are free to pursue your way of life as long as you don’t hurt others and your activity is lawful.
The rest of your blather is unworthy of comment….
April 12th, 2007 at 1:10 pmpgw - “Your” refers to the collective of progressive “thought” - not you personally. I spell neighbours, colour, favourite, etc. the way I do as it is an old habit from school. Thank goodness for a wonderful secretary and “Spell Check” (neither of which I employ here.)
Tooodles……..
April 12th, 2007 at 1:14 pm“I spell neighbours, colour, favourite, etc. the way I do as it is an old habit from school.”
was that school in the u.s.?
April 12th, 2007 at 1:18 pmValiunt:
Then you have no problems with them removing “in god we trust” from money? You know they way our money used to be printed before the Christians started bringing their god into our gold.
The right to abortion as a personal freedom?
How about the fact that some activities should be lawful, like Marijuana which study after study is shown to be safer than Alcohol.
Full gay rights, including marriage.
Evolution be taught in schools and not ID which has no science behind it.
And you support Flag burning is free speech.
Let’s see how you support life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness now.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:24 pmPrince Valiant sez:
Attack the source. You trolls are so predictable…
When you’re done railing against the name of the website, tell me: are you actually contesting my assertion that Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell said the things they are quoted as saying in my link, or are you just bloviating?
I look forward to your response.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:43 pm#29 - Official religions refer to the Church of England, Lutheranism in Sweden (which have official religions but contemporary religious tolerance) and the majority of Protestant, Catholic and Secular Humanists who inhabit most Western countries - where different religious practices are allowed. For example, people in the West do not make a habit of blowing themselves up with a group of their neighbours due to differences in religion. The West does not have state sponsored television programming extolling the virtues of “martyrdom†and suicide bombing†for young children.
Funny, Muslim extremists demand tolerance, as is their right - and extend none.
Comment by valiant venus — April 12, 2007
April 12th, 2007 at 1:43 pmHistory -101
Tolerance, circa, 1935-45 Germany. Dominate religion/Catholic/Protestant/ Subject living in tolerance with other religions. 6 million jews used as slaves until gassed or straved to death. Christian tolerance.Call them Nazis if it helps your lame argument.However they were all frigging christians.
Pine - Nazi’s were not Christians, whether ol’ Adolph was baptised a Catholic or not. You might want to look up the pagan-stylized ritual the Nazi’s copied as their templarte for weddings, funerals, etc.
And once again - our resident intellectual “giant”, GWB, moves the goal posts and changes “the rules”. In #43, you say, “Gee Valicunt so really they’re not much different than you Christians?….A little look in the mirror and you’ll see you’re no better than they are, actually worse because at least they really try to practice what is preached, Christians on the other hand are hypocritical.”
Suicide/homicide bombings. car bombings, brainwashing little children to think martyrdom and murder are acceptable - yes, I can see why you would bring up the evil Chrisitans and their idiotic “in God we Trust” and Flag burning. Those parallels are HARD to miss….[sarc offfff]
It’s been fuuuun! BTW, Did you go to school with, shane? Just asking…..
April 12th, 2007 at 2:02 pmMonkey - I read the article and the obvious bias in the article. I am no fan of Robertson of Falwell - but I accord your “source” as much credence as you do “Fox News” or right wing radio…….
Tooooooooodles…
April 12th, 2007 at 2:04 pmOOOh, Prince Valiant defending Valiant Venus. I think it IS troll love!
April 12th, 2007 at 2:05 pm#84 - “OOOh, Prince Valiant defending Valiant Venus. I think it IS troll love!” Comment by Bluedahlia
It has been true love since I first met her and married her.
April 12th, 2007 at 2:14 pmIt has been true love since I first met her and married her
HAHAHAHAHHAHHHHAHAHAHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
April 12th, 2007 at 2:17 pm#85 - Thanks honey!!
April 12th, 2007 at 2:17 pmValiant troll, Hitler himself repeatedly assertied his Christianity.
For example, in a speech delivered April 12, 1922, published in “My New Order,” Hitler said:
Then after signing the Nazi-Vatican Concordat, April 26, 1933, he stated:
Hitler was the pure embodiment of right-wing political Christianity.
April 12th, 2007 at 2:27 pm“I spell neighbours, colour, favourite, etc. the way I do as it is an old habit from school.â€
was that school in the u.s.?
April 12th, 2007 at 2:29 pmDigging for a pony? More like, selling us a unicorn.
April 12th, 2007 at 2:30 pmValunt talk about moving the goal posts, I think you just slid it up your ass, with no answers to my questions, typical of a hack.
Do you or don’t you agree that freedom of religion is the same as freedom from religion. You are free to practice your religion, but when it comes to my tax money, it should not be used in promoting your god.
So it’s your idiotic in god we trust, not mine. I’m not promoting the “religion” who has god envy.
Why is it the only countries that have banned flag burning are those same ones you Christians proclaim as evil? You know Nazi Germany, Iraq, Iran, N. Korea?
You see you don’t believe in FREEDOM, unless it fits your views of Christianity.
And speaking of mental giants, how’s your law practice and dead baby?
April 12th, 2007 at 2:35 pmA good article for those who haven’t read it “Our Godless Constitution”
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050221/allen
April 12th, 2007 at 2:43 pmSuicide/homicide bombings. car bombings, brainwashing little children to think martyrdom and murder are acceptable - yes, I can see why you would bring up the evil Chrisitans and their idiotic “in God we Trust†and Flag burning. Those parallels are HARD to miss….[sarc offfff]
It’s been fuuuun! BTW, Did you go to school with, shane? Just asking….. Comment by valiant venus — April 12, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
Were you referring to the bombings of Rudolph, McVeigh, or some other right wing Christian brainwashed group?
Did you go to school venus? Because you always write like an ignorant trailer trash dum bass.
Why don’t you and the rest of your right wing christofascist terrorist stop using our constitution as an *sswipe, and start your own country elsewhere if you don’t like american *values*. Ok, st*pid c*nt?
April 12th, 2007 at 2:47 pmvaliant venus sez:
Same question I asked Prince Valiant. Are you actually contesting my assertion that Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell said the things they are quoted as saying in my link, or are you just bloviating?
Try real hard to answer the question this time before you slide off into attacking the messenger. Kthx.
April 12th, 2007 at 2:48 pmMonkey - I read the article and the obvious bias in the article. I am no fan of Robertson of Falwell - but I accord your “source†as much credence as you do “Fox News†or right wing radio……. Tooooooooodles…
Comment by valiant venus — April 12, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
That just shows how st*pid you are. Just because you and your right wingnut *friends* can’t be trusted to present the news and facts honestly, you project your own failures on others. Falwell is just like you, a religious wingnut that hates American values, our constitution, our rights, and our way of life. He’d as soon turn this country into a Christian version of Afghanistan as YOU WOULD. How sad for you both - st*pid c*nt.
April 12th, 2007 at 2:49 pmGWB - I should be free to practice my religion and you should be free NOT to practice religion. I should be free to discuss my religion and you should be free to disagree with my views and/or promote your own.
Speaking of your tax money - another ignorant argument. ALL of us pay taxes for things with which we disagree - I hate paying for abortions, welfare to the able-bodied but lazy, etc. You probably detest paying for a war with which you disagree and tax breaks for corporate employers. So what. Once again, your “argument” is moot.
Flag burning is despicable but is Constitutional. Frankly, I think burning a flag is only “free speech” for deaf-mutes and the illiterate, who might have no other way to express their hatred for the US government policies, etc.
Sadly, you have such a narrow take on YOUR world that those who disagree with you are as dangerous to you as those who would maim or kill you. You poor, paranoid little victim.
Work has been very good….
April 12th, 2007 at 2:52 pmMonkey “Are you actually contesting my assertion that Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell said the things they are quoted as saying in my link,..”
No, I am not contesting that Robertson and Falwell were quoted. I would check an additional source to confirm the reliability of the report. We have all seen too many hatchet and editing jobs to believe everything on the Internet (including here at TP) or produced by computers (i.e. ask Dan Rather and Mary Mapes).
As I said previously, which you chose to ignore, I am no fan of either man. But they are entitled to their views as you are entitled to your own.
Nice try……really!
Off to lunch with a client…..Tooodles………
April 12th, 2007 at 2:59 pmNo, I am not contesting that Robertson and Falwell were quoted. I would check an additional source to confirm the reliability of the report.Comment by valiant venus — April 12, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
You CHECK A RESOURCE? That would be a FIRST!!!!
You’re one of the most ignorant, and uneducated fools on here. You KNOW these are real quotes, but in that partisan b*llsh*t world you live in, you don’t care, you won’t check, and you won’t admit if you find it to be true. Because you refuse to live in reality, you delusional little lunatic.
We have all seen too many hatchet and editing jobs to believe everything on the Internet (including here at TP) or produced by computers (i.e. ask Dan Rather and Mary Mapes). Comment by valiant venus — April 12, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
Ironic, coming from the queen c*nt of swiftboating - YOU!
As I said previously, which you chose to ignore, I am no fan of either man. But they are entitled to their views as you are entitled to your own. Nice try……really! Off to lunch with a client…..Tooodles……… Comment by valiant venus — April 12, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
You’re no FAN? Why not. They’re just the kind of religious nut that reflects perfectly on YOUR VALUES - Wacko.
Don’t forget, they tip extra if they actually ENJOY their happy ending!
St*pid c*nt.
April 12th, 2007 at 3:08 pm“pgw - …I spell neighbours, colour, favourite, etc. the way I do as it is an old habit from school…
Comment by valiant venus — April 12, 2007 @ 1:14 pm”
was that school in the united states?
April 12th, 2007 at 3:11 pmNo, no, he was digging for a pony, there.
You have to find a pony standing around somewhere; that’s where a hole McDunce dug for it might be.
April 12th, 2007 at 3:12 pmvaliant venus sez:
That’s the best you can do??? The reliability of the quote may be in question??? Wow, you’re pathetic.
Sure you are. This time, make sure your ‘client’ gets an adequate walk…last time, you didn’t let him do his business, and later he had an accident on his owner’s rug.
April 12th, 2007 at 3:13 pmValiunt,
Bzzzt, wrong our govt is promoting a religion when it uses those phrases. You would not be opposed to say the 10 dollar bill saying in “allah we trust”? Our govt doesn’t promote abortions, by adversting it on every form of currency. Someone has a choice in getting an abortion or not, I have no choice in the currency I use.
You complaint about welfare for the able bodied is a straw man, none of us want that, any more than I want Haliburton getting no bid contracts, or doing jobs the military should be doing.
Calling me paranoid, when you sit here and promote hatred of another religion which is no more, or no less peaceful than your own. Most people of other faiths are just as peaceful as most Christians. I can guarantee more people died at the hands of Christian swords, than all of the other religions combined. Hitler used it, and even Bush uses it today to keep the sheep following claiming he is doing gods work. Sure we claim it’s terrorism. But it’s greed, and hatred of others.
You never did answer how your dead baby was doing? Did he/she rise last easter?
April 12th, 2007 at 3:17 pmWhat “digging for the pony” comes from: it’s one of Reagan’s favorite jokes about being ridiculously optimistic.
April 12th, 2007 at 3:41 pmHa, ha, I remember this one time when Ronald Reagan was looking at a pile of mothers, sons, daughters, and fathers massacred in Guatemala. He just jumped right into the broken body parts and headless torsos and torso-less heads, popping up every now and then to wipe the rotting blood and gore from his eyes, and with that special Ronald Reagan twinkle in his eyes he’d just say, “Hey, there’s gotta be a pony in here somewhere.”
And we would all just laugh, and laugh, and sometimes vomit when the smell got really bad, but mostly laugh.
April 12th, 2007 at 3:59 pmNo. 93. GWB said:
“… when it comes to my tax money, it should not be used in promoting your god.”
No. 98. valiant venus replied:
“Speaking of your tax money - another ignorant argument. ALL of us pay taxes for things with which we disagree - I hate paying for abortions, welfare to the able-bodied but lazy, etc. You probably detest paying for a war with which you disagree and tax breaks for corporate employers. So what. Once again, your “argument†is moot.”
Boy is this ever a “red herring” argument. This has nothing to do with his or your opinion as you so arrogantly state. What you or I like has nothing to do with our tax money going to support religion. GWB’s argument is very valid!
Note the Constitution: (This from Wikipedia)
The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution states that:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”
Together with the Free Exercise Clause, (”or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”), these two clauses make up what are commonly known as the religion clauses.
This has been interpreted as the prohibition of 1) the establishment of a national religion by Congress and 2) the preference of one religion over another or of religion over non-religious philosophies in general. The first approach is called the “separationist” or “no aid” interpretation. In separationist interpretation, the clause, as historically understood, prohibits Congress from aiding religion in any way even if such aid is made without regard to denomination. The second approach is called the “non-preferentialist” or “accommodationist” interpretation.
Please note the bolded section above. (emphasis mine.) Only from “educated, intellectual” trolls like you would come this sort of rubbish argument, in which you expect us (unwashed masses in your view) to swallow it hook line and sinker. The ignorance you accuse GWB of, is yours, and not GWBs.
April 12th, 2007 at 4:06 pmAre you indicating that you want to do away with the Establishment Clause like your neo-con friends?
Why don’t folks ask these politicians and pundits where they get the data upon which they make their predictions.
I but McCain has never met Muqtada al-Sadr. I have.
While not a close personal friend, I did make the trip to Najaf in Sept. of 2005 to visit with al-Sadr and ask him some of the same questions that are being debated today.
His reply, “what would you do if a foreign government invaded Texas?”
Charlie Jackson
April 12th, 2007 at 5:05 pmTexans for Peace
Good grief, how do people make it through the day with so little initiative — if you don’t know what digging for the pony means, just google it, and you’ll readily come up with references to the old joke. e.g.,
April 12th, 2007 at 7:59 pmhttp://www.nationalreview.com/ interrogatory/ robinson200312230101.asp
No, I am not contesting that Robertson and Falwell were quoted.
What a stupid fucking liar.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:09 pmNo, I am not contesting that Robertson and Falwell were quoted.
What a pathetic liar.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:09 pmThe Republicans are certainly running short on ponies. What a joke! Ha Ha.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:38 pm104 - “Calling me paranoid, when you sit here and promote hatred of another religion which is no more, or no less peaceful than your own.”
GWB, I have already told you I don’t care what you believe, if you believe or how you believe….it’s none of my business. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder the size of a cinder block and for that I am sorry. You must be miserable and I feel sorry for you. But don’t worry, unlike radical Muslims - rabid Christians or Jews are not going to show up at your door and threaten you with murder or mayhem if you don’t believe what we believe.
God gives everone a free will to believe or disbelieve what they want - your choice to not believe in God is just that - your choice. My choice to believe in God is laughed at here…who cares? Obviously if I cared what Prog posters said about me, I wouldn’t visit. And while your anti-religious bigotry is telling, I don’t fear an atheist mob showing up at my home of office demanding I denounce my faith.
So, GWB, while you may not like religious people, (and we don’t threaten your life and limb) try ignoring us. I have no problem ignoring atheists - I think they are smart enough to make up their own minds…..Pssst….you might get along with others in the sandbox if you didn’t LOOK to be offended about everything….
April 12th, 2007 at 9:28 pmMerlin - Be a dear and tell the audience which religion is being established when our money says “in God we Trust”? Protestant - which religion? Catholic - Roman or Byzantine?? Jewish…Reform or Orthodox?
Psst….you could use another leg on that stool - you have none left….
April 12th, 2007 at 9:31 pmNo, 113. valiant venus intones:
“Merlin - Be a dear and tell the audience which religion is being established when our money says “in God we Trustâ€?”
The Republican Religion to which you subscribe, of course.
Sigh… You neo-con enablers are so comfortable with changing the subject and avoiding reality so you can continue to do business as usual.
And what is all this cutsy “psst” business. Are we keeping a secret no one here is supposed to know?
And golly, this one just went right over my poor little ‘ol head: “you could use another leg on that stool - you have none left….”
Maybe you should enlighten this poor unenlightened soul so he can rise to your exalted level from his place in the unwashed masses.
But on a serious note, all references to a higher being should be removed from anything the government does, IMO (and that includes buildings, parks, stationery as well as bills and coins. It, however, is not politically viable or PC to do that, and so they remain on our coins, bills etc.
BTW, I have no problem with your personal belief system, Christian or whatever. I have my own way of seeing things and have no desire to force it down your throat. I expect the same treatment from others, including you. I do believe strongly in the separation of Church and State as indicated by the Constitution.
That there is gross misuse of said Constitution is not a justification to abuse it, and that is the spurious argument you are using.
Do you care to address the Constitution on the point of the Establishment clause, or is it you who has no legs on your stool to stand on?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:21 pmMcPAIN IS DIGGING HIS OWN GRAVE WITH HIS FLIP-FLOPPING MOUTH, WITH “ROOM FOR A PONY AND A MERCEDES,” TO PARAPHRASE Hyacinth Bucket(That’s BOU-QUET!!!!!), AND ROOM FOR ONE MORE–Joe LIE-berman!!!!!
April 12th, 2007 at 10:29 pm#114 - “The Republican Religion”? Merlin I gave you too much credit - you are not as bright as I thought. (Of course, you could not tell us which specific religion is being forced on the downtrodden atheists and humanists out there as NONE is being forced on them.) Am I offended that Bahai’s discuss Bahaullah with me or invite me to their breaking their spring fast. No. Am I offended hearing about someone else’s religion when I am not a member of that graoup? NO! I appreciate you tolerating my “belief system” - as I tolerate yours. However, you incorrectly read the Constitution as a ban on public displays of religion - “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;….”
You also incorrectly note, “I do believe strongly in the separation of Church and State as indicated by the Constitution.”
Where? No such separation is indicated ANYWHERE in the Constitution or any Amendment.
You would have a legitimate grievance if the government established an “official” religion and/or forced you to participate. You seem to miss the point that the government MAY NOT prohibit the “free exercise” of my religion or anyone else’s religion - whether you like it or not, whether you agree with it or not - OR whether it OFFENDS you or not. You do not have the right to press your level of disagreement or discomfort down some else’s throat. (Hint to Merlin - If religion bothers you, DON’T go to churches or synagogues
Clearly, the majority of religious people tolerate your views, as we should. Stop asking us to amend our culture and society to accommodate your discomfort. That seems to be your problem.
Your argument still lacks “legs”….
April 12th, 2007 at 11:18 pmPS…..Psssst Merlin - Goood thing for your side that there have been judges who could read what was NEVER written in the Constitution…..Those were magical mystery glasses…..
Toooodles……….
April 12th, 2007 at 11:22 pm..Pssst….you might get along with others in the sandbox if you didn’t LOOK to be offended about everything…. Comment by valiant venus — April 12, 2007 @ 9:28 pm
That’s great advice, for a piece of sh*th hate monger like yourself. If you got any more *offended* at liberals, what would you do? After all, you’re so obsessed with being offended by liberals, you spend most of your free time here whining about how you’re offended by us.
PS…..Psssst Merlin - Goood thing for your side that there have been judges who could read what was NEVER written in the Constitution…..Those were magical mystery glasses….. Toooodles……….
Comment by valiant venus — April 12, 2007 @ 11:22 pm
BAHAHA, ironic coming from some that ignores what IS written in the constitution.
You really are a st*pid, ignorant piece of sh*t. How exactly did you learn the english language, being so brain damaged - you ignorant sl*t?
April 12th, 2007 at 11:46 pmWhere? No such separation is indicated ANYWHERE in the Constitution or any Amendment. Comment by valiant venus — April 12, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
For someone that claims to be a lawyerETTE, you’re as ignorant of the law as that sl*t Coulter.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”
This says no law can respect ANY religion, not just a SINGLE religion, you st*pid illiterate c*nt.
You would have a legitimate grievance if the government established an “official†religion and/or forced you to participate. Comment by valiant venus — April 12, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
That’s b*llsh*t. The amendment says no law can be made to promote religion. It doesn’t say a single religion - st*pid c*nt.
You seem to miss the point that the government MAY NOT prohibit the “free exercise†of my religion or anyone else’s religion - whether you like it or not, whether you agree with it or not - OR whether it OFFENDS you or not. Comment by valiant venus — April 12, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
You seem to miss the fact this is the *second* part, and not the most important part of this. No one is preventing you from believing what every disney story you want to believe - st*pid c*nt. Just don’t use LAWS and MONEY FUNDED BY LAWS to promote your personal b*llsh*t. Is that too hard for an idiot like you to understand?
You do not have the right to press your level of disagreement or discomfort down some else’s throat. (Hint to Merlin - If religion bothers you, DON’T go to churches or synagogues Comment by valiant venus — April 12, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
Not true. Free speech IS a separate right, and you can exercise freely, but we can tell you that your religious fanaticism is st*pid and uncomfortable for *reasonable* people - you miserable selfish c*nt.
Clearly, the majority of religious people tolerate your views, as we should. Stop asking us to amend our culture and society to accommodate your discomfort. That seems to be your problem.
Your argument still lacks “legsâ€â€¦. Comment by valiant venus — April 12, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
The majority of you religious type do NOT tolerate athiests, that’s why you won’t vote for them, and demonize them. You’re full of sh*t, and your bigotry is what lacks “legs”, you ignorant sl*t.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:55 pm“BAHAHA, ironic coming from some that ignores what IS written in the constitution.”
Sorry, Merlin’s assertion is incorrect and perpetuate the same ignorance.
To tolerate your atheism does NOT mean I must embrace atheism. It is a permissible exercise of free will - nothing more - nothing less. Your tolerance of my religious beliefs does not imply your embrace or even respect for those beliefs. I am FREE to exercise my religion - PERIOD.
“After all, you’re so obsessed with being offended by liberals, you spend most of your free time here whining about how you’re offended by us.”
No….I don’t demonize atheists - they can do that all by themselves. I do not take you seriously enough to be offended by you….I do feel great sympathy for you - you’re clearly a disturbed person who is not well. Apparently you have anti-social tendencies which are not being addressed very effectively….you poor dear.
Sweet dreams………..
April 13th, 2007 at 12:23 amSorry, Merlin’s assertion is incorrect and perpetuate the same ignorance. Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 12:23 am
Says the braindead pretend *lawyerETTE* that can’t read a simple sentence. It says make no law “respecting the establishment of religion”, that means the government cannot be involved in promoting and establishing any religion - whether or not it is the ’state’ religion. You’re so st*pid, you make george look smart.
To tolerate your atheism does NOT mean I must embrace atheism. Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 12:23 am
Yet this is what you expect athiests to do. To *embrace* your right to use the government to ‘establish’ (promote) your religion.
It is a permissible exercise of free will - nothing more - nothing less. Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 12:23 am
Except when you use the government to ‘exercise’ it.
Your tolerance of my religious beliefs does not imply your embrace or even respect for those beliefs. I am FREE to exercise my religion - PERIOD. Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 12:23 am
It does when my money ‘funds’ its promotion (establishment).
“After all, you’re so obsessed with being offended by liberals, you spend most of your free time here whining about how you’re offended by us.â€
No….I don’t demonize atheists - they can do that all by themselves. Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 12:23 am
Ah, there we go. Proving my point, and disproving your own. Bigot, hypocrite and fool.
I do not take you seriously enough to be offended by you….Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 12:23 am
Nor do you take the constitution and american values seriously. It’s why you, and fascists (terrorists) like you that are willing to bomb hospitals are such a danger to our democracy.
I do feel great sympathy for you - you’re clearly a disturbed person who is not well. Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 12:23 am
Coming from someone that makes dead baby jokes about their own children - highly ironic! You’re the goddess of projection.
Apparently you have anti-social tendencies which are not being addressed very effectively….you poor dear. Sweet dreams………..
Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 12:23 am
Coming from someone that says the hateful things you say, quite ironic. Once again, the goddess of projection. Sweet dreams indeed - you live in one. A giant fantasy that deludes you into thinking you’re ‘normal’, while the vast majority of americans that disagree with you are just plain wrong. You’re a lunatic, and that’s why y
April 13th, 2007 at 1:50 amSorry, Merlin’s assertion is incorrect and perpetuate the same ignorance. Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 12:23 am
Says the braindead pretend *lawyerETTE* that can’t read a simple sentence. It says make no law “respecting the establishment of religion”, that means the government cannot be involved in promoting and establishing any religion - whether or not it is the ’state’ religion. You’re so st*pid, you make george look smart.
To tolerate your atheism does NOT mean I must embrace atheism. Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 12:23 am
Yet this is what you expect athiests to do. To *embrace* your right to use the government to ‘establish’ (promote) your religion.
It is a permissible exercise of free will - nothing more - nothing less. Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 12:23 am
Except when you use the government to ‘exercise’ it.
Your tolerance of my religious beliefs does not imply your embrace or even respect for those beliefs. I am FREE to exercise my religion - PERIOD. Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 12:23 am
It does when my money ‘funds’ its promotion (establishment).
“After all, you’re so obsessed with being offended by liberals, you spend most of your free time here whining about how you’re offended by us.â€
No….I don’t demonize atheists - they can do that all by themselves. Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 12:23 am
Ah, there we go. Proving my point, and disproving your own. Bigot, hypocrite and fool.
I do not take you seriously enough to be offended by you….Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 12:23 am
Nor do you take the constitution and american values seriously. It’s why you, and fascists (terrorists) like you that are willing to bomb hospitals are such a danger to our democracy.
I do feel great sympathy for you - you’re clearly a disturbed person who is not well. Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 12:23 am
Coming from someone that makes dead baby jokes about their own children - highly ironic! You’re the goddess of projection.
Apparently you have anti-social tendencies which are not being addressed very effectively….you poor dear. Sweet dreams………..
Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 12:23 am
Coming from someone that says the hateful things you say, quite ironic. Once again, the goddess of projection. Sweet dreams indeed - you live in one. A giant fantasy that deludes you into thinking you’re ‘normal’, while the vast majority of americans that disagree with you are just plain wrong. You’re a lunatic, and that’s why you could never possibly take me serious. If you ever did take me seriously, you’d have to check into a mental hospital - you sick, perverted piece of Anorexic self loathing c*nt.
Sweet dreams indeed.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:51 amNo. 116. The ever charming valiant venus responds:
“I appreciate you tolerating my “belief system†- as I tolerate yours.”
Great gugamooga! Where did I say anything about tolerating your belief system. What I said was:
“I have no problem with your personal belief system.”
That is a far cry from toleration. Perhaps it is expecting too much for you to know the difference. But then again, this could simply be proof that you will distort and twist whatever is said even when it is written 2 inches above your typing! How can anyone have a civil conversation with you if you can’t stop distorting what I say or do it purpose?
And frankly, I neither want nor need your “tolerance”. Even though you believe that it is so “big” of you to bestow it on me. Do I sense a tiny bit of arrogance here?But I will give you the benefit of the doubt this once, (I can be “big” too, you know) and say you just don’t know the difference. So here is a lesson for you.
What we need to do is ACCEPT one another’s belief system, not “TOLERATE” it through gritted teeth. Acceptance is the basis for love, and if you don’t understand that you are in deep trouble. Is it not Christians that ACCEPT Christ? They don’t just tolerate Him do they? I think not.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:19 amNo. 116. The ever charming valiant venus responds some more:
“(Of course, you could not tell us which specific religion is being forced on the downtrodden atheists and humanists out there as NONE is being forced on them.)”
You must have misplaced your reading glasses my dear. Isn’t getting old terrible? Well, that is what happens when you are “over the hill”. You know, like 50 pounds overweight and no longer look attractive to other people. Oh, your hearing also goes although that does happen until later. You don’t have a hearing problem do you dear, like the one you have with your eyes, do you? Well I hope not. Blind AND deaf would really sink your boat.
I was quite specific in my jest about which religion. I said it was the Republican Religion. That you are not able to grasp the depth of that answer shows just how shallow you are. Are you really a lawyer as was indicated here in this thread? For the sake of someone needing one I would hope not. Having a blind (and maybe deaf as well) lawyer would really be a bummer. (My apologies to all those hard working blind and deaf lawyers out there who read this.)
I suppose I could educate you again, but you might not take kindly to my saying bad things about your Republican Religion, and get hurt. So, I will be “big” again, just like you, swallow all my pride and bite my tongue.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:43 amNo. 116. The ever charming valiant venus responds some more yet again:
“You also incorrectly note, “I do believe strongly in the separation of Church and State as indicated by the Constitution.â€
You really are a case, aren’t you?
Did you forget your glasses again? Maybe you wore them but haven’t cleaned them in a couple of weeks. No, no, I get it now!!! Your glasses allow you to read stuff that isn’t there and make silly judgments on what you believe you are seeing. Now this is a real problem. I hope you make enough money as a blind lawyer to afford a new pair that will allow you to see what is really written.
Now, how in the world can I be incorrect by stating the above? That is my belief. Nowhere did I say anything about that being in the Constitution. Now did I? OK, I’ll be “big” one more time. Go ahead, clean your rose colored glasses and try again. Only this time very slooooowly so you get it right.
Sheesh I really feel sorry for your clients, if you have any.
Look, an opinion is different than a statement of fa… Oh never mind, there is no point in teaching you anything. You couldn’t grasp it anyway. Way to deep.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:02 amNo. 116. More of the ever charming valiant venus responding:
“(Hint to Merlin - If religion bothers you, DON’T go to churches or synagogues”
What about mosques, you didn’t include mosques!
If you want to make suggestions to the unwashed masses (to which you think I belong) you must be complete. Attention to detail, my dear girl, is very impor… darn there I go again! This is probably too deep for you to get as well.
But seriously…You know this is really fun!!! You are teaching me a lot of really neat stuff. I had no idea that religion might be bothering me. Glad you brought that to my attention. I will have to meditate on that seriously deep suggestion. Excuse me for a bit:
OOOOMMMM Â This is me telling you goodbye. Â OOOOMMMM
Tooooodles
April 13th, 2007 at 5:19 amNo. 116. The ever charming valiant venus runs off at the mouth again:
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