RNC has no Rove emails pre-2005.
By on Apr 12th, 2007 at 5:13 pm
RNC has no Rove emails pre-2005.
TPM Muckraker highlights a portion from this letter today from Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) to Alberto Gonzales:
Mr. Kelner’s briefing raised particular concems about Karl Rove, who according to press reports used his RNC accountfor 95% of his communications. According to Mr. Kelner, although the hold started in August 2004, the RNC does not have any e-mails prior to 2005 for Mr. Rove. Mr. Kelner did not give any explanation for the e-mails missing from Mr. Rove’s account, but he did acknowledge that one possible explanation is that Mr. Rove personally deleted his e-mails from the RNC server.
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April 12th, 2007 at 5:15 pmTime to storm the Bastille…
April 12th, 2007 at 5:17 pmI believe it’s time for Mr. Rove to account for his communications before congress.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:17 pmIf true, does the bell finally toll for Karl Rove?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:17 pmIndependent counsel time!
April 12th, 2007 at 5:20 pmFire Rove.
-GSD
April 12th, 2007 at 5:20 pmwe need some mob justice for this jackass
April 12th, 2007 at 5:23 pmIt really seems to me like dems are trying to do exactly what they warned everybody against with wiretapping, monitoring political stategy in order to win. If emails are political strategy why are they public knowledge? Seems a little hypocritical to me.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:24 pmThe Bushniks never expected the Democrats to take the Congress in the midterm elections. Thus, they assumed there would be no oversight.
Surprise, surprise….
April 12th, 2007 at 5:25 pmWas just said on Ed Shultz, from a communication specialist who also has a friend working @ the WH, that all emails are on back up tapes in a vault.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:26 pmTime to get someone to get the emails out of cyberspace and it can be done. Karl Rove isn’t as smart as he thinks yes he got Libby to take the fall and will soon have Gonzo out to save his butt. But cyberspace is out of Karl Roves field of understanding. These idiots in the White House can’t figure out how young people use a computer as Bush he’s clueless. Now a kid in India who’s family income is 5 dollars a year can get the information the Congress needs that’s in cyberspace. Jack Abramoff will be leaving jail as Karl Rove is going in. Tell Karl not to pick up the soap.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:26 pmAnd that is why it is called your opinion. It is completely wrong, but it is yours to keep forever and ever.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:28 pmWouldn’t Rove’s deletion of emails violate the special prosecutor’s demand to preserve all records in the senior-administration-official-that-outed-a-covert-operative investigation?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:28 pmIs this obstruction of justice by Karl Rove?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:28 pm#8 rabidbunny
If emails are political strategy why are they public knowledge? Seems a little hypocritical to me.
It’s understandable. You’re not very bright.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:33 pmFace it bunny droppings, Rove was doing unethical, illegal, underhanded political manuvering of the DOJ to try and fix future elections and have the AG’s attack only Dems and tie them up with unwarranted indicments. They are criminals and you are a ciminal for being part of their GOP mafia.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:36 pmHating repukes daily,
Personal emails, phone calls, letters, etc. of private citizens require a warrant before a search – Bush&Co prefer to skip that step, and go right into a broad search, in defiance of the amendment.
The documents being requested by the committee were required by law to preserve them. These have to do with official business of the White House; official government business.
#8 Rabidbunny has missed that point. He thinks this is unwarranted breach of privacy against private citizens. I am amazed at the number of numbskulls who don’t understand the government, the laws, and are very quick to surrender their own rights but will protect the government’s desire to operate in secrecy.
This is no different than the 18 minute gap in the Nixon era.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:37 pmThey broke the law.
This may be a personal crime by Rove who attempted to destroy documents illegally. Obstruction of justice.
The Rover is starting to sweat his pudgy little head off about now. Seems like every turn of the shovel uncovers more of his putrid garbage buried under the WH.
He and Darth Cheney should be SOOO proud!
April 12th, 2007 at 5:48 pm#16,
Are emails considered documents that must be preserved by government officials? Can you give a link to the law? And in this situation it is the RNC, not the whitehouse, can you give a link to the law that says the RNC needs to supply all emails?
April 12th, 2007 at 5:51 pmFace it bunny droppings, Rove was doing unethical, illegal, underhanded political manuvering of the DOJ to try and fix future elections and have the AG’s attack only Dems and tie them up with unwarranted indicments. They are criminals and you are a ciminal for being part of their GOP mafia.
Hating repukes daily,
Comment by Buck Fush
There is nothing illegal about he AG firings, which is why every president does it. The only difference here is that they were in mid-term-but still not illegal.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:52 pmIf someone thinks it is perfectly okay for them to read my e-mails, letters, library records, internet history, video rental history, phone records, credit card/bank records, etc.———-but Congress is not allowed to see THEIR e-mails when they are suspected of wrongdoing, then THEY are hypocritical.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:53 pmThe emails exist. Find them.
I soooo want to see Rove doing the perp walk.
April 12th, 2007 at 5:53 pmHey Zooey,
April 12th, 2007 at 5:56 pmMaybe he could do that funny rap thing in the perp walk.
AirAmerica said Randi Rhodes is the woman Karl Rove has always wanted to be!
April 12th, 2007 at 5:58 pmAs conservatives always tell me:
“If you have done nothing wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.”
April 12th, 2007 at 6:01 pmIt was announced on Ed Shultz a few min ago from a person who claims to be in communications and also has a friend in the WH in communications, that all emails via server are kept in a vault. If so it is Nixon all over again…. Does anyone have any knowledge of this?
April 12th, 2007 at 6:01 pmMr. Rove is not authorized to delete his e-mail without violating the 1978 law on presidential record keeping. Even using a non-secure e-mail account is probably a violation. One even wonders about his RNC e-mail on the Plame outing. Rove better lawyer up again.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:05 pmSilly rabbit, this is obstruction of justice. We can’t determine what the emails were because they have vanished. Just like the faith America had in this administration.
You have no definitive proof the firings were above board and many attempts to look into it have been blocked by a variety of methods. The dog at my homework was just given by the White House. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck odds are Cheney’s trying to shoot it or Rove wants to rip it’s head off. But it is a duck.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:05 pmAs conservatives always tell me:
“If you have done nothing wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.â€
But if they were deleted before they were requested….
April 12th, 2007 at 6:06 pmStrange only those eighteen days were deleted and not the days before nor after.
Fool.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:09 pmSilly rabbit, this is obstruction of justice. We can’t determine what the emails were because they have vanished. Just like the faith America had in this administration.
You have no definitive proof the firings were above board and many attempts to look into it have been blocked by a variety of methods. The dog at my homework was just given by the White House. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck odds are Cheney’s trying to shoot it or Rove wants to rip it’s head off. But it is a duck.
Comment by hellinabucket
They were sent via the RNC server not a government server, I still don’t understand how those can be considered attainable without a warrant by all the people that are against warantless searches.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:09 pmAnd conversely, you say warantless searches are fine.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:12 pmI want some one to think about the infrastructure of using the RNC computers.
Did Bush, Cheney, and Rove setup a separate RCN network in the government (on government property)? That would be a huge security violation and against the law.
If they connected the RNC computers to the government network then that too is a security violation and against the law.
Bottom line:
Democrats need to ask for the all the communications that authorized the installation and use of the RNC computers.
Did Rove order it? Cheney? Bush?
Who ordered it?
April 12th, 2007 at 6:13 pmThey were sent via the RNC server not a government server, I still don’t understand how those can be considered attainable without a warrant by all the people that are against warantless searches. Comment by rabidbunny — April 12, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
Uh, because they were sent in violation of the White House records act? Because they were sent as an intentional effort to subvert transparency laws in the government? Because they were sent in violation of federal laws on what/how and when employees should use computers for official purposes?
Because it’s obstruction of justice, and yet another example of how undemocratic, nontransparent and corrupt you CONs are!
You’re a loser rabid rat.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:19 pmAnd conversely, you say warantless searches are fine.
Comment by keith — April 12, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
Ah, the contortions of the “pro-life/pro-death-penalty” right wing nut republicans… Aren’t the just too precious?
April 12th, 2007 at 6:20 pmBut if they were deleted before they were requested….
Comment by rabidbunny — April 12, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
Then they were deleted in violation of federal laws. But none of that bothers you, does it? The culture of corruption among you GOP lifers is the gift that just keeps on giving.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:21 pm#32 thanks, and dumb bunny you continue to ignore the obstruction of justice.
You are honest though. “I don’t understand” is the first step. You admitted it and we are all proud of the big steps you are making. Keep up the (Think) Progress.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:23 pmre: #32
Ouch, Hydrophobic Rodent, that hurt!
April 12th, 2007 at 6:26 pmIn response to #17, the RNC does not have to preserve their emails; however, presidents and their staff are responsible for preserving their own emails according to the Hatch Act. Read about it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Records_Act.
Presidential staff are not supposed to use private email accounts for use as a public servant (I’m not sure whether this is illegal), because it can lead to a blatant violation of the Hatch Act (like exactly what happened here with presidential records being deleted). According to the Washington Post and administration officials Karl Rove uses his RNC email account for his work as a member of the president’s staff. It is his and the president’s responsibility to preserve these records because they will eventually be released to the public because ultimately they are owned by the public. That they have been deleted is a violation of the law.
…regardless of anything else that he’s done illegal that could be proven by the contents of those emails (which is probably a lot more)
April 12th, 2007 at 6:27 pmHey Zooey,
Maybe he could do that funny rap thing in the perp walk.
Comment by keith
Keith,
A girl can dream, can’t she? :D
Then that stunning rap thing might actually be funny….
April 12th, 2007 at 6:28 pmWe could reserve a whole wing of a penitentiary for them.
Do you think conservatives really believed the Rose Mary Woods accidental erasure of the 18 1/2 minutes?
April 12th, 2007 at 6:39 pmThey were sent via the RNC server not a government server, I still don’t understand how those can be considered attainable without a warrant by all the people that are against warantless searches.
Comment by rabidbunny
The emails were sent by government employees in the pursuit of their governmental duties, and were deleted in violation of federal law — whether or not they were requested before their attempted destruction.
That means those emails are MINE; those govermental employees work for ME; and if I want to see what the hell MY employees are doing; that information will be provided to ME at my request — or demand, as the case may be.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:40 pmThanks for the link Ben B, I guess if he uses the RNC server email for official business then he should have to submit and perserve them. I was not aware that he used it for official business.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:41 pmWe could reserve a whole wing of a penitentiary for them.
Keith, you really know how to sweet talk a girl. ;)
Do you think conservatives really believed the Rose Mary Woods accidental erasure of the 18 1/2 minutes?
Comment by keith
I don’t think they ever believed it for a minute, but they’d never admit it to we “libs.” Remember, IOKIYAR.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:41 pmPay close attention to this youtube Video of a Bush interview. In his own words talking about EMAILS. It starts 25 seconds into the video. Bush clearly talks about emails being pulled up as public record and that he doesn’t use emails.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo9BO00R2_w
April 12th, 2007 at 6:43 pmI had to google IOKIYAR.
So they probably don’t believe this 18 day gap, either. It’s just “we got the power, what you going to do?”
April 12th, 2007 at 6:49 pmI had to google IOKIYAR.
Sorry — shorthand. :)
So they probably don’t believe this 18 day gap, either. It’s just “we got the power, what you going to do?â€
Comment by keith
Isn’t it ironic that it’s an 18 day gap?
Power is what these sorry-assed cons are all about, so naturally that’s the attitude — what are you little people going to do about it?
“WE make the laws! WE change the Constitution! WE and OUR friends have all the money! In your face, America!”
Shameful.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:59 pmIf they are so innocent and “following what is legal,” why so much deception and obscurantism? These guys have got to go!
About one year and a half and counting……..
April 12th, 2007 at 7:00 pm“Leahy scoffed.
‘I’ve got a teenage kid in my neighborhood that can go get ‘em for them,’ he told reporters.
Retorted Perino: ‘I don’t know if Senator Leahy is also an IT expert.’ “
April 12th, 2007 at 7:01 pmTime for an independent investigator and a special FBI task force to seize and seal all the RNC equipment. Federal Crimes have been implicity committed as all official White House communications are supposed to be the property of the people, not the RNC.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:10 pmAs we all know, this is outright bull$hit! There are servers where emails can be found and we know that nothing is ever totally erased from a computer. Cough it up Bush! If you don’t, you’ll be coughing in the Big House soon.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:12 pmRetorted Perino: ‘I don’t know if Senator Leahy is also an IT expert.’ “
Comment by keith
Says the empty-headed bleached blond.
Meow….
April 12th, 2007 at 7:13 pmI think it’s time to inspect the RNC Headquarters now that it appears to be the “scene of a crime”. The RNC has “aided and abetted” the intentional breaking of one of our laws and they, as a co-conspiratorial group, can now be held legally responsible for the criminal penalties of breaking this law.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:13 pmthe server logs will tell what, when and who deleted what, if anything was deleted. All of the servers are prob. backed up. There are back-up tapes or drives somewhere. Since these guys are using blackberries, it means that they are using push technology and the emails have to be kept on the server. Daily or Weekly offsite tape backups of the servers would be created and stored in case of data loss. These people do not erase their emails. They need the email correspondence from the last campaign for the next campaign. This is just plain horsecrap.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:15 pmRetorted Perino: ‘I don’t know if Senator Leahy is also an IT expert.’ “
Says the empty-headed bleached blond.
Meow….
Comment by Zooey — April 12, 2007
And I thought she dyed the roots black!
She’s like Snow, but a lot easier on the eyes.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:32 pmand as a sad comment on the state of america and the blogosphere, as of 7:54 eest, there were 53 comments on this thread about karl rove destroying democracy and 253 comments on the imus fired by CBS story. I guess i should be glad Anna Nicole Smith didn’t show up in cancun or something…
April 12th, 2007 at 7:51 pmAnd I thought she dyed the roots black!
She’s like Snow, but a lot easier on the eyes.
Comment by keith
Imagine that. :)
*barf*
April 12th, 2007 at 8:12 pmI guess i should be glad Anna Nicole Smith didn’t show up in cancun or something…
Comment by bob (not hacker)
I guess they just need to get it all out in the open. *sigh*
April 12th, 2007 at 8:21 pmlol what a bunch of criminals
April 12th, 2007 at 8:29 pmif we were not at war they would be out of work/impeached
our war is the only thing saving their asses
Mark my words, these e-mails will come out.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:01 pmIf the servers haven’t been confiscated by now, they’ve been replaced and destroyed.
Count on it.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:49 pmFAT-F*CK Rove BUSILY DELETING ALL HIS INCRIMINATING E-MAILS, BURNING THE MIDNIGHT OIL AS CHIMPya LOOKS IN ON HIM, YAWNS AND FARTS!!!! “Hey Turd Blossom, Haven’ya Got Rid of Them E-Mails Yet, Boy?” “YES, MR. PRESIDENT, I’M ON IT!!!!” “WELL, GET OFF Gannon/Guckert THEN–IT’S MAH TURN!!!!!”
April 13th, 2007 at 12:10 am#16,
Are emails considered documents that must be preserved by government officials? -rapidblubby
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2007/04/12/BL2007041200941.html
When I asked Stanzel to read out loud the White House e-mail policy, it seemed clear enough to me: “Federal law requires the preservation of electronic communications sent or received by White House staff,†says the handbook that all staffers are given and expected to read and comply with.
“As a result, personnel working on behalf of the EOP [Executive Office of the President] are expected to only use government-provided e-mail services for all official communication.
“COMMUNICATION” MORON, NOT “DOCUMENTS”……
stop trying to pretend your Perrry Mason. Your not. I doubt you could sweep the floors at a law school…
April 13th, 2007 at 5:39 amThis time, it is not follow the money; it’s follow the missing e-mails.
Karl Rove, senior advisor to George W. Bush and chief political operative, has set about bending our system of law-and-order to his sinister political cause. Eight US Attorneys fired to provide cover for Rove to replace the Arkansas US Attorney with one of his henchmen. This is in preparation for smearing Hillary Clinton if she gets her party’s nomination. Rove will have him singing the second chorus of “Like a bridge over troubled Whitewater.â€
April 13th, 2007 at 7:29 am