White House says it will not turn over RNC emails.
White House says it will not turn over RNC emails.
The Politico reports:
White House Counsel Fred Fielding, in a letter today, told Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) and Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), chairmen of the House and Senate Judiciary committees, that the White House has not budged in its refusal to allow the panels to question several White House aides, including Karl Rove, about what they know regarding the firing of eight U.S. Attorneys, moving the two sides closer to a constitutional battle over the scandal.
Fielding also appears to be trying to head off an attempt by Conyers to obtain e-mails and documents from the Republican National Committee regarding the firings. … Fielding also said that “it was and remains our intention to collect e-mails and documents from those [RNC-controlled] accounts as well as the official White House e-mail and document retention systems” as part of a broader deal with the two committees on staffer testimony.
In a response statement, Conyers was unmoved: “the Judiciary Committee intends to obtain the relevant emails directly from the RNC. The White House position seems to be that executive privilege not only applies in the Oval Office, but to the RNC as well. There is absolutely no basis in law or fact for such a claim.”
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The Bush Administration is going down. You can bet on it. And, because of monolithic stupidity, the GOP is following Bush over the cliff of political destruction. Stupid as cows, they are. Just plain dumb.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:23 pmExcuse me….?
BushCo, you don’t seem to understand. The long sleep is over — you work for US. Don’t you forget it.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:25 pmNixon tried this tactic as well to hide the tapes that did him in. We’ll see the same result here methinks. That is, Nixon was forced to turn the tapes over. I think the e-mails will see the light of day as well. The screws are starting to tighten ever so slowly.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:25 pmC’mon RNC, show us the e-mails if you got nothing to hide. We’ll even ignore the naked pics of Jeffy Lube Gannon and Matt Sanchez. We promise.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:25 pmThe e-mails will come out. You can’t hide e-mails. You can only refuse to turn them over. I tried to destroy my e-mails once. The hard drive broke my shredder.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:28 pmif you have nothing to hide…. i remember some reich-wingers crying that about when americans found out they were being spied on…. which btw, bush is still trying to expand his bullshit spy on anyone crap.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:30 pm#6 if you have nothing to hide
Exactly my point. What comes around goes around. Don’t expect too much sympathy from Americans for the GOP.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:34 pmHand subpeona warrants out directly to the RNC chairman, as well.
Sombody has to give up the data.
Or let them keep the damn things secret: keep banging on it like a drum leading up to the 2008 elections.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:36 pmHow would Congress go about getting the computers from the RNC to be used as evidence? There has got to be a way of doing this. It will be the only way to prevent them from becoming “lost” in the shuffle.
I do think that Sen Leahy is on to something with the speech he made on the Senate floor today. I don’t think he would have gone out on a limb that far without something to back him up. Hope so anyway.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:37 pmSmarttech, I believe has the servers to these e-mails. Just google smarttech and Republicans. And you can bet smarttech has backup in some warehouse with these e-mails.
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2007/03/gwb43smartech-follow-up.html
April 12th, 2007 at 9:41 pmIv’e GOT IT!
Confiscate the servers under the guise of the Patriot Act, then issue Congressional Secrecy letters (instead of NSL’s) to make it illegal for anyone subpoena’d to talk about it to anyone (it’s vital to national security!!).
Oh wait that is the Justice Dept and FBI that has that power.
Play them at their own perverted game.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:41 pmDamn! Conyers, Leahy, Waxman. Go team!
April 12th, 2007 at 9:43 pmThere is absolutely no basis in law or fact for such a claim.
Actually, there is. And it’s one simple fact, announced shortly before the 2006 election:
And you, Representative Conyers, reiterated the statement after the elections.
You told President Bush that you would not hold him accountable. He has repaid you in kind by not being accountable.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:44 pmFor those who have read the tome, does Congress have any expanded powers around the Patriot Act, or did just Law enforcement, Intelligence and the Executive get more power?
I could really go for some poetic justice right now.
Almost a scenario worthy of a Vonnegut book.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:46 pmAS I HAVE STATED MANY TIMES BEFORE
PARASITES
LEECHES
HOODLUMS
DEPT OF DEFENSE
CORRUPTED
EPA
CORRUPTED
OH WHAT’S THE USE…………
I BELIEVED 3 YEARS AGO
THESE
WERE
EQUIVELENT
TO
GOD
APPOINTED
PUBLIC
SERVANTS
BECAUSE OF THEIR INTEGRITY, HONESTY, HARDWORK
BUT
IN
REALITY
WE ARE DEALING WITH HOODLUMS
CRIMINAL ACTIVITY WITHIN
WHITE HOUSE
SENATE
CONGRESS
AND ALL THE WONDERFUL SERVICES WE ALL DESPEARTELY NEED
(BET YA CAN’T GET THEM)
FAR
SUPERIOR
SERVICE
AT
MCDONALDS
FOR YOU GET HALF AND WE GET HALF
(FOR ALL THE WONDERFUL SERVICES)
CAN’T GET THEM
DOESN’T MATTER
ABSOLUTELY
C
O
R
R
U
P
T
I
O
N
IS A REALITY
AND YOU DON’T THINK THE WHITE HOUSE BACKS UP THEIR EMAIL…..
OF COURSE THEY DO !!!!!!!!!!
LIAR, LIAR PANTS ON FIRE
YOU KNOW……. I SEE IT ANY DAY COMING, ALL THIS FRAUD REGARDING THE
MORTGAGES, JUST ANOTHER S&L bail up coming out and guess who will
pay half a trillion to the swindlers?
in my book…….. their all a bunch of
hoodlums
parasites
leeches
UNTIL THEY FINALLY SERVE US!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUNCH OF DOG GONE CROOKS!
April 12th, 2007 at 9:48 pmWere they not just saying the emails were destroyed. So now they say they’re working on turning them over. Puff, it’s magic.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:54 pmThat RNC guy who sold Rove up the river today — mark my words — is going to be viewed as a hero to thousands and thousands of GOP bigs who know that the Republican Party is destined to AT LEAST A GENERATION in the political wilderness if the brakes aren’t put on Rove and Cheney, and Bush comes running back to the center like the mama’s boy he truly is, by the time New Hampshire votes.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:58 pmIn other news:
Bad news for making the case to blow up Iran:
UN nuke chief: Iran’s program limited
Brought to by the same guy who was right about the Iraqi nuclear program. But Bush started dropping bombs just before his Iraq report became public.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:05 pm#17
You are exactly correct. It will only take one or two brave RNC whistleblowers to expose Rove. Then it will all come tumbling down for the neocons. And many RNC members that aren’t neocons will be relieved and the truth will come flying out faster than Guinness beer shits.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:09 pmIn the end, it will be the Republicans who initiate impeachment proceedings, not the Democrats.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:13 pmHow long before the Bush WH comes to an end ?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:14 pmI would say by Nov 07 they are History.Any bets ?
Time to draw blood.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:16 pmTurn over the documents or impeachment proceedings will begin immediately – that’s the only deal.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:17 pmComment by chadwick — April 12, 2007 @ 10:13 pm
You may be right. The top contenders are Kucinich on the Democratic side and Hagel on the Republican side.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:18 pmLet the whistleblower floodgates open. It’s amazing that no one in the RNC or the GOP has any sense of right and wrong, morality and sin these days. Hopefully, there’s at least one or two.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:18 pmBrought to by the same guy who was right about the Iraqi nuclear program. But Bush started dropping bombs just before his Iraq report became public.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
No one listened to him before…
April 12th, 2007 at 10:19 pmIf they do not come forward with what they know, they risk the chance of guilty by association and complicity. If they do not come forward with the truth, the voters will oust them from their seats in the next election and many of them are up for re-election.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:19 pmThe NEXT thing you will hear from Fielding and the wingnuts is that
Congress can’t impeach Bush because he has
“EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE”!!!!!
LOL!!!
April 12th, 2007 at 10:20 pmJeff Lube Gannon? Where does he fit in? Or who does he fit in as the case may actually be? I hear he’s made an unprecedented number of nocturnal visits to Bush’s house at night.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:21 pmIs this the Richard M. Nixon redux?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:23 pmFielding also said that “it was and remains our intention to collect e-mails and documents from those [RNC-controlled] accounts as well as the official White House e-mail and document retention systems†as part of a broader deal with the two committees on staffer testimony.
But…didn’t someone just say the RNC emails were “lost”? How can you collect what doesn’t exist?
It sounds like Fielding wants to “collect” the RNC emails and then shelter them under an “executive privilege” claim.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:24 pmComment by ForTruth — April 12, 2007 @ 10:21 pm
Makes you wonder whether some of those 5 million emails were to/from him?
nocturnal transmissions?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:25 pm#29
Jeffy Lube Gannon and Matt Sanchez are two reasons the GOP doesn’t want to turn over their secret e-mails. Trust me, it’s not just all about the attorney firings on those e-mails. I’m sure those two are in some late night love discussions with bigwig GOPers. Pictures included.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:25 pmIt sounds like Fielding wants to “collect†the RNC emails and then shelter them under an “executive privilege†claim.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Bingo. I wouldn’t trust the lot of them to collect my dog’s shit.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:26 pmContinue to pray that those who know of wrongdoing in the Bush Administration continue to come forward with testimony and evidence!
April 12th, 2007 at 10:27 pmnocturnal transmissions?
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
I’m trying to eat a turkey sandwich here…..
Continue to pray that those who know of wrongdoing in the Bush Administration continue to come forward with testimony and evidence!
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
As always…
April 12th, 2007 at 10:29 pmJeffy Lube Gannon
Comment by Topper Harley
That’s frickin’ hilarious.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:31 pm#37 Jeffy Lube Gannon
Comment by Topper Harley
That’s frickin’ hilarious.
Comment by Zooey
I have my moments. Few and far inbetween.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:34 pm#30 ForTruth, Thats what I’m wondering. I remember how Nixon stonewalled and obstructed in a desperate attempt to remain in the White House. In the end it didn’t work.
At the time what got that ball rolling was when former WH counsel John Dean testified befor Sam Ervin’s committee in the Senate. Blew the lid off the whole thing. I wonder who it will be this time?
April 12th, 2007 at 10:34 pmI have my moments. Few and far inbetween.
Comment by Topper Harley
But those moments are oh so sweet. :-)
April 12th, 2007 at 10:36 pm“The White House position seems to be that executive privilege not only applies in the Oval Office, but to the RNC as well. There is absolutely no basis in law or fact for such a claim.â€
But of course there is. The maladministration is just a subsidiary corporation of the RNC. As the maladministration is the “executive”, the fundamental rights of the executive to be free from any accountability for its actions devolves on the RNC as well through the well-known legal doctrine of respondeat superior. They are organisationally and legally one and the same.
Is that clear now?
Cheers,
April 12th, 2007 at 10:40 pm“it was and remains our intention to collect e-mails and documents from those [RNC-controlled] accounts as well as the official White House e-mail and document retention systemsâ€
-WH counsel Fielding-
…perhaps a legal faux paux?
…an admission- or implying a link- of violating the Presidential Records Preservation Act…
…by using RNC accounts to communicate WH communications…
…subpoenas are flying all over Capitol Hill and RNC Headquarters…
…Constitutional showdown coming soon to a tv near you…
…C’mmmmon Conyers, Waxman, et al…
…put some boot in that a*s…
April 12th, 2007 at 10:46 pmNocturnal transmissions and Jeffy Lube Gannon, I gotta hand it to you guys, that’s pretty damn funny stuff.
Watching these neocon pukes sweat and lie is pretty good entertainment too.
Sic em Dems!!
April 12th, 2007 at 10:46 pmGlad to see someone was willing to show up to TP for me today. They even worked harder than I would have. :)
April 12th, 2007 at 10:47 pmWhew … it’s hard to comprehend how people so corrupt and ignorant got into power.
We really must be the most stupid of all people.
Things are obviously way too far gone. This whole system is going to have to follow through on its course of self destruction before it ever gets better.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:51 pm“that the White House has not budged in its refusal to allow the panels to question several White House aides, including Karl Rove, about what they know”
Questioning? go straight to the waterboarding. I can’t handle the truth so any thing they sign will be fine by me, and yes i do want photo’s with that!
April 12th, 2007 at 10:57 pmThis is exactly how Nixon was brought doen. This is getting good, I’m getting popcorn & soda.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:11 pmWhy is it that none of this has even registered a mention on the news? Is it a non-story or are ABC, CBS, CNN and NBC just holding out until they have compiled more info? Seems odd.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:18 pmIn the end, it will be the Republicans who initiate impeachment proceedings, not the Democrats.
Comment by chadwick — April 12, 2007 @ 10:13 pm
I believe this as well. Someone over there is smart enough to know what is going to happen if this crap continues; it will sink them for a LONG time. And if it gets to the point where they feel they need to do it, hell, they will. Crap, they have the audacity to do just about anything else……
April 12th, 2007 at 11:42 pmThe Republicans need a Sandy Berger who can just go in there and accidentally format the backup drives and say “Oopsie.”
April 12th, 2007 at 11:44 pmThe Republicans need a Sandy Berger who can just go in there and accidentally format the backup drives and say “Oopsie.â€
Comment by muckdog
Ya except formating still leaves the data…. and the account is at a commercial company…
April 12th, 2007 at 11:56 pmThe Republicans need a Sandy Berger who can just go in there and accidentally format the backup drives and say “Oopsie.†Comment by muckdog — April 12, 2007 @ 11:44 pm
So all of this time that you’ve ‘whined’ about how awful Berger’s actions were, even though they were harmless and only destroyed ‘copies’ – you now say these actions are so desirable and admirable that GOP Nazis should do it for real on the real thing.
Wow, nice to know you’re so gung ho on your hypocrisy, and how you’re willing to set aside your morals and *values* long enough to protect your own criminal acts.
You’re an *ssh*le muckdog – you picked the correct political party to support. More culture of corruption – as expected.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:02 amBravo to Rep. Conyers, but he must never stop digging into Bush’s graveyard of criminal lies and corrupt bullcrap.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:12 amAh, the smell of corruption in the morning……
Hating rethugs daily.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:29 amWell, muckdog vigorously disputes global warming science, and I don’t know any faster way to shoot one’s credibility than that. It puts one squarely on an axis running between deep stupidity and grave intellectual dishonesty.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:32 amThe Republicans need a Sandy Berger who can just go in there and accidentally format the backup drives and say “Oopsie.â€
Comment by muckdog
hahaha. ah thank you troll. one desparate attempt to analogize this to a “clinton did it too” situation. please tell me what evidence Berger destroyed?
can you please draw out this analogy you started more fully, so my tiny liberal brain can understand? sounds like apples and oranges to me, both in scope, substance, and magnitude…
don’t you have some more bulildings to go fill with asbestos so you can save them from the next terrorist attack? or maybe go out and smoke some cigarette to improve your circulation.. hahahahha
loser
April 13th, 2007 at 5:07 amIt’s so good to see the Republicans doing what they do best–running, hiding, denying, whining, stonewalling, erasing, shredding, changing their story, pooping their pants…
April 13th, 2007 at 6:30 am[...] Somebody out there has the goods on these crooks. They have the emails. [...]
April 13th, 2007 at 7:04 amone of the postings above expresses the only possible resolution to the insanity that we are living through. Impeachment. Nothing is now “off the table”
April 13th, 2007 at 7:46 amRemember- if you are dealing with liars, NOTHING can be off the table!
A friend of a friend is literally Pres. Bush’s personal secretary and I have been invited to the whitehouse for a tour this weekend. Any suggestions on what I should ask the next Rosemary Woods?
(I am not joking).
April 13th, 2007 at 8:29 amI just thought of something. Hasn’t the Bush administration been forcing ISPs to collect and store the Internet activity of all Americans for a period of two years?
April 13th, 2007 at 10:04 amIf so, then those RNC.com and GWB43.com emails will be very easy to extract. Time to get the FBI to go and get them.
Now, isn’t that a bit ironic?
White House says it will not turn over RNC emails.
Well if they said that why did you intead quote a report stating the complete opposite ?
The quote you’ve got there says that the White House isn’t in a position to withhold these emails.
This pattern of inflated and misleading claims in your article titles which are contracted by the contents, is getting rather lame.
Yet once again, not something that bothers the readers here. It’s the good spin after all.
April 13th, 2007 at 11:11 amThe Bush administration is going to go down, it’s just a matter of how, not when. The Democrats WILL get their hands on these e-mails because the neocons would have to completely wipe their system clean to delete the e-mails. Which, IMO, they will not do.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:27 pm