White House Claims Bush Was In The Dark About Iraq Troop Extensions, Fueling Speculation
White House Claims Bush Was In The Dark About Iraq Troop Extensions, Fueling Speculation
On Tuesday, President Bush addressed the American Legion and accused Congress of forcing U.S. troops to extend their deployments in Iraq:
The bottom line is this: Congress’s failure to fund our troops will mean that some of our military families could wait longer for their loved ones to return from the front lines.
The very next day, his own Pentagon announced that all U.S. Army soldiers in Iraq would have their 12-month tours in Iraq extended by 3 additional months.
What explains the strange timing? As Atrios noted, when the Pentagon announced its new policy on Wednesday, Defense Secretary Gates said he was angry that the news had been leaked to the press. That has sparked suspicion that the deployment extension was actually supposed to be announced after Bush had vetoed Congress’ Iraq legislation “so that he could try to claim it was their fault.” In that scenario, Bush’s remarks on Tuesday were just meant to prime the pump.
This speculation was fueled by Wednesday’s White House press conference, where Dana Perino explained the strange timing by claiming that President Bush had been in the dark about this major policy shift until the morning it was announced:
Q So why did he tell the American Legion that people would be staying in Iraq longer because of the Democrats, when his own Pentagon, 24 hours later, was going to keep people there longer?
MS. PERINO: Well, one, I don’t know if the President knew about the — the meeting — remember, yesterday morning is when Secretary Gates came and talked to the President. […]
Q And so the President didn’t know about his own policy until Wednesday?
MS. PERINO: I’m not aware that the President knew that there was going to be — that Secretary Gates had come to any decisions.
Watch it:
Could it really be that President Bush was completely unaware of the Pentagon’s new policy until hours before it was made public? Or is the White House now trying to cover up a botched plan to blame Congress for its own decision to further strain the U.S. military, a move that has hurt Bush politically and angered troops on the ground.
Transcript:
Q Dana, on the supplemental, on Tuesday the President said that because the Democrats have not gotten this in yet — “The failure to fund our troops will mean some of our military families could wait longer for their loved ones to return from the front lines, others could see their loved ones headed back to war sooner.” Why did the President mention — this is a day before his own Pentagon is going to announce that, actually, those loved ones are going to stay in harm’s way longer. And he clearly had to know that this policy was going to take place, that the deployments were going to be stretched from 12 months to 15 months. So why did he tell the American Legion that people would be staying in Iraq longer because of the Democrats, when his own Pentagon, 24 hours later, was going to keep people there longer?
MS. PERINO: Well, one, I don’t know if the President knew about the — the meeting — remember, yesterday morning is when Secretary Gates came and talked to the President.
[…]
We have never said that if we got the money immediately tomorrow, that folks would be able to have just a 12-year [sic] deployment and a 12-year [sic] dwell time.*** Every day that we don’t get the money is one that, as Secretary Gates and General Pace have said, creates problems in terms of the training. And so by piecemeal, you see some troops have been there for 16 months, and that’s what we’re trying to avoid.
Q Is that really the first time the President — it’s a pretty big policy, to keep people in Iraq three months longer –
MS. PERINO: No, I think that we’ve known for a while –
Q — he just heard about it yesterday morning?
MS. PERINO: I think we’ve known for a while that Secretary Gates was trying to figure out a way to make sure that we can alleviate this problem of having longer deployments, or troops being deployed for a longer period of time. And one of the things that he did yesterday was to say that we need more certainty for the troops. And I talked to the President about that this morning, that having more certainty for a military family to plan ahead is something that is probably priceless. I can’t imagine what it’s like for a youngster, when three months seems like five years, that their parent isn’t going to be home.
[…]
Q But if the President really wants certainty for the families, he had an opportunity before the American Legion, a highly respected veterans organization, to say, you know what, for certainty’s sake for these families, tomorrow we’re going to announce a pretty big change. They’re going to stay in harm’s way longer. Why wasn’t he straightforward with the American Legion about his own policy?
MS. PERINO: I think the President was absolutely straightforward. And remember, I don’t — I know that Secretary Gates came and talked to the President yesterday morning, so that speech you’re talking about was last Tuesday. We’ve known for a while that we’re going to have to –
Q Two days ago, the speech.
MS. PERINO: Yes, two days ago, right.
Q And so the President didn’t know about his own policy until Wednesday?
MS. PERINO: I’m not aware that the President knew that there was going to be — that Secretary Gates had come to any decisions.
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Bush knew about this from the get-go. He was in on it, and again has the neerve to blame Congress for his stonewalling. Shameless.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:20 pmI believe Mrs. Perino is saying SHE doesn’t know. It wouldn’t take a rocket scientist to deduce that Congress refusing the EMERGENCY appropriation would have such a negative impact on the troops and their families though.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:21 pmHey, where’s the anti-war movement’s protest going to be this weekend?
April 13th, 2007 at 2:23 pmAre they joking? Do they seriously think anybody except those that have previously been lobotomized will believe this garbage?
April 13th, 2007 at 2:23 pmI can’t imagine why no one wants to be the war czar.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:24 pmThey are falling apart.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:25 pmIt’s niiiice.
What a joke. This corrupt and criminal administration would make a great sitcom….if it wasn’t real.
If Chimpy seriously attempts to claim he didn’t even know about the troop extensions, he’s effectively declaring himself unfit to lead this nation as Commander-in-Chief.
Pelosi: Impeachment. Table. NOW.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:26 pmDana is nice to look at, but she is not very good at lying. The WH is going to have to replace her with someone who can lie better.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:28 pmBush manipulating the troops situation in a war zone for a political advantage?
No. Say it isn’t so!
/sarcasm
April 13th, 2007 at 2:28 pmShe looks good in black.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:28 pmAs usual there is total confusion in this WH , thats because Bush has his strings pulled from all directions . The country will be better served with the impeachment of the whole lot , bring the troops home .rebuilt the armed forces , indiscriminitly , rich and poor . IN an other word , a draft , that represent the whole country . That is to say an armed forvce the does not belong to the defense dpt ( big Corps. ) until do us part.death
April 13th, 2007 at 2:28 pmShe definately doesn’t lie as well as the unfortunate Mr. Snow.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:29 pmFunniest part of that clip was the freudian slip “12 year deployment”… that’s probably the goal of the GWB administration.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:29 pmHow can these appropriations for the occupation of Iraq continue to be called “emergency”. When the surge was announced the Bushmen were all giddy informing us that the current funding extended for several months which meant the surge couldn’t be stopped by Congress. So the current “emergency funding” being discussed is to cover the period after that.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:29 pmThe boy king does not know what is happening in his own war department? No wonder he needs a war tsar.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:29 pmJake,
Congress hasn’t refused anything. They gave the President more than he asked for. If he vetoes it, it will be on him.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:30 pmThanks to that man and his administration, we’re all in a very dark place now.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:31 pmDecider
War President
Commander In Chief
Manipulator
Warped President
Commander of Grief
You decide.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:32 pmAt your mom’s house, but you probably didn’t understand her, because my man juice was gurgling in the back of her throat.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:33 pmJake sez:
I believe you’re bullsh!tt!ng again, Jakers.
It’s clear from her statements that Perino was attempting to create a situation of plausible deniability. Somehow, the reporter asking Perino the questions managed to understand that immediately, just as the majority of readers here did. I can’t imagine that your allleged confusion here is genuine, considering you’ve already demonstrated the mental capacity necessary to string words into sentences.
Jake, this is bullsh!t, and you know it. If we need someone to parrot Chimpy’s talking points, we’ll go to the pet store.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:33 pmBlame the Democrats?
Really?
When the only thing denying the troops funding is a signature? And that signature is the one of the guy blaming the Democrats?
Wow.
Lame.
And Jake, try again.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:33 pmNot a very good Press secretary — but she sure is scrumptious looking!
April 13th, 2007 at 2:34 pmWho’s minding the store? The Commander in Chief, the War-Time President of the United States, The Decider, was kept in the dark?
April 13th, 2007 at 2:34 pmOr is the White House now trying to cover up a botched plan to blame Congress for its own decision to further strain the U.S. military, a move that has hurt Bush politically and angered troops on the ground.
…that’d be MY take on things…
…Bushiva et al. take incompetence and malfeasance…
… to breath-taking heights…
…These are some terrifically STOOPID people…
…I could kick my own a*s for NOT having seen this when I was a lot younger…
April 13th, 2007 at 2:34 pmA person on another thread suggested that I go to “Democrats.com” to find where the anti-war protests were planned for this weekend. I took that person’s advice and went to the site and searched the “Events” section for “Iraq War Protests” for the entire nation. I will now publish the results of the search in its entirety:
(crickets)
April 13th, 2007 at 2:35 pmKEEP praying that those who know of wrongdoing in the Bush Administration continue to come forward!
April 13th, 2007 at 2:35 pmSo the Decider was in the dark about this decision. That doesn’t give me a warm fuzzy.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:36 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — April 13, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
Comment by Technodaoist — April 13, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
I don’t know about you guys, but I’ve put Jake on my “ignore list.”
April 13th, 2007 at 2:37 pmSadly, nothing surprises me anymore with regard to the Bush regime. Given that he has been seeking a substitute commander in chief, it very well could be that he was oblivious….
Off with their heads!
my goal is to find a cure for irony and make a fool outta god
April 13th, 2007 at 2:39 pmSo the Decider was in the dark about this decision
When poppi and babs had Gates wedged into position they probably told him not to burden their boy with to much information.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:41 pmBush is the real-life Gov. William J. LePetomaine. of “Blazing Saddles” fame. (”We’ve gotta protect our phoney baloney jobs, gentlemen!”)
April 13th, 2007 at 2:41 pmSnow is better at the non-answer answer and the reframe the question into a different question that can be answered.
I do not envy being the spokesperson for a criminal syndicate.
Baghdad Bob = DC Dana
April 13th, 2007 at 2:43 pmComment by Fed the Fcuk Up! #25
Take a deep breath…
…TRY “thinking” outside the “instant gratification” BOX…
…say to yourself…
…there’s more than ONE WAY to find out what I need to know…
…and if ONE doesn’t yeild the info that I’m lloking for…
…perhaps it can lead me to another that CAN…
…that’s IF you’re sincere…
April 13th, 2007 at 2:44 pm#33,
Out of the box, pops, but appreciate the advice.
Where would you suggest that I look now?
April 13th, 2007 at 2:48 pmMaybe somebody should brief Dana…
…on the fate of her predecessor…
April 13th, 2007 at 2:49 pmWere he still alive, Reagan would be proud at the way Bush has taken his confused-and-out-of-the-loop schtick, and perfected it to such an Olympics-level performance that it looks entirely natural. If I learned that Bush actually was that detached from reality, I’d seriously consider liquidating my 401(k), and hiding the money in the backyard until he’s gone from office.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:49 pmMore Obfuscation.
More Lies.
More Deception.
More “I forget”
More Misquoted
More “Cannot Recall”
More Smoke and Mirrors
More ….
When is this great country going to wake up!
“We have met the enemy and he is us”
April 13th, 2007 at 2:51 pm“I love my country but fear my government”
#34
Heres a start:
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/calendar.php
April 13th, 2007 at 2:52 pmCrump’s Brother:
If Congress had given Bush “more than he asked for” in terms of requiring anyone posting on the Internet with a screen name beginning in the letter “C” to be immediately rounded up and imprisoned in Gitmo, could he veto the bill then?
April 13th, 2007 at 2:52 pmId’ take Bush 43’s father anyday over this failed experiement we have now as a President. Atleast daddy was intelligent and “presidential”
What an embarassment to the U.S.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:53 pmI believe Mrs. Perino is saying SHE doesn’t know. It wouldn’t take a rocket scientist to deduce that Congress refusing the EMERGENCY appropriation would have such a negative impact on the troops and their families though. Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
What you *believe* doesn’t matter - partisan hack. What was said, proves you’re an idiot.
As for the appropriation of funds, bush can sign the bill now, so why would he chose to have such a negative effect on the troops?
You’re planning on spending your whole life blaming others for YOUR failures, aren’t you sport? Another GOP product of bad parenting.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:53 pmFrom the CRS report I have read there’s 56 billion that can be tapped from a FY 2007 DOD appropiation that can amplyl pay for the troops thru the end of May.
Thats 45 days from now and it’s not as urgent as the politicos make this out to be.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:57 pmFunniest part of that clip was the freudian slip “12 year deploymentâ€â€¦ that’s probably the goal of the GWB administration.
Comment by Dave C
She said “12-year deployment” twice. Once is a freudian slip, twice is “leaking”. That just means that the “15 months” will actually be a total of 12 years.
Especially since several times Chimpy has said “The war started on my watch, but it’s going to end on yours.”
Think about it.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:58 pmCrump’s Brother: If Congress had given Bush “more than he asked for†in terms of requiring anyone posting on the Internet with a screen name beginning in the letter “C†to be immediately rounded up and imprisoned in Gitmo, could he veto the bill then? Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
Or the right to investigate them without a warrant - you NAZI piece of sh*t.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:58 pmBush is totally in the dark, that’s clear but not just about what’s going on in his own Pentagon - about everything that’s going on in his own administration. Time to boot the incompetent now…Impeachment is a MUST.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:59 pmIf Congress had given Bush “more than he asked for†in terms of requiring anyone posting on the Internet with a screen name beginning in the letter “C†to be immediately rounded up and imprisoned in Gitmo, could he veto the bill then?
Comment by Jake
Sure, but why not use an executive signing statement and excise that provision? Bush has created some 700+ of these ESS’s.
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The Bush White House and the GOP are coming apart at the seams. The right hand is lying about one thing; the left hand is lying about something else. They are clearly ‘MID-IMPLOSION” and they’re all scrambling around chasing their tails. Wickedly hysterical to watch them like rats in their own maze…..stomping out one brush fire after another….if this were comedy, it’d be a “best seller”.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:00 pmI’m usually on top of things, but when did this witch replace snow? OH, and Jake STFU you moron.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:00 pm#39 Whew, that was one heck of a strawman.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:00 pmId’ take Bush 43’s father anyday over this failed experiement we have now as a President.
Shrub Senor : just as evil as the son.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:01 pmYou can bet on that.
Just look at the Shrub Crime history and you’ll see what I mean.
Where was Shrub Senor in Nov. 1963?
I suspect that his henchman, Wolfie, is singing loudly now that he’s been axed. Just wait till he faces charges brought on by World Bank! Then he’ll be singing like a soprano!
April 13th, 2007 at 3:01 pmI WILL NEVER FIB
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BUT LINDA KNOWS THOMAS KNOW SURE DOES
April 13th, 2007 at 3:02 pmDana Perino is an airhead extraordinaire - she’s all puffed up to try to make this administration look good (so they think) and all she’s doing is detracting from any sense of credibility they have. What a ditz brain personified. She’s an embarrassment to the american people. “Screwed up”….well, that shows a lot of class, education, and finesse, doesn’t it?? hahaha!
April 13th, 2007 at 3:03 pmJake,
That is the dumbest one you’ve come up with yet. Aren’t you the one who is so fond of the legal realities.
Congress has to power to delegate the spending of the countries treasure. Quit giving us false choice arguments. The Congress has given the President his money. I would rather they didn’t so we could be done with this thing. But they did. And they told him exactly how it can be spent, which is another part of the power of the purse.
If the President wasn’t so woefully incompetent, they would not have had to take the steps they’ve taken. But such is life.
Again, nice false choice argument.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:03 pm#42
Of course its not as urgent as they pretend it is they’re just milking it for the politics. Average citizen watching T.V. “news” for the couple of minutes they do a day see the fifteen second sound bite of Dubya declaring that Congress is hurting our military and whammo average citizen gets all indignant without actually checking the accuracy of the misinformation.
The Republic666ans have perfected this strategy and play it perfectly for average citizen and their short attention span.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:03 pmSadly, may HAVE been “unawares” of the goins-on, just like everything else surrounding “his” presidency. Though that doesn’t make me have any better of an opinion about him.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:04 pmThe shrub’s in the dark again?? I wonder where Jeff Gannon is then?? In the dark with him perhaps??
I thought only shade-loving flora thrived “in the dark”; oops, I guess that’s why Dumbya isn’t thriving these days.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:04 pmThe president yet again using U.S. troops as Political tools.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:04 pmI believe Mrs. Perino is saying SHE doesn’t know. It wouldn’t take a rocket scientist to deduce that Congress refusing the EMERGENCY appropriation would have such a negative impact on the troops and their families though. Comment by Jake
She should prolly just take the fifth or just claim to misremember. Anyway Jake I know you have read where the Republicans took up to 119 days to get these ‘emergency’ supplementals to Dubyas desk. As I just posted their is ample funds for the next 45 days.
AND if this ‘war’ as you call it is part of a resolution from a US/UN resolution regarding enforcement fo said resolutions then I don’t know how they can keep calling it ‘emergency’ supplemental. This only helps to keep this amount out of the budget, this borders on Enron style accounting.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:04 pmJake, haven’t you drowned in the koolaid yet?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:06 pm#51 Don’t be too sure. It’s been rumored that Bush 41 is the “little man behind the curtain at Oz (Orwellian speak for white house)” and I wouldn’t be surprised in the least. Funny thing how Pappy Bush seems to be in very surprising places when tragedies occur in this country….head of the CIA when JFK was shot, in DC with his Big Oil Cronies (Carlysle Group) on 9/10….I don’t know about you but I smell a rat in the woodpile…..a very old rat……a very old, wrinkled rat…..a very old wrinkled rat whose lust for power created the sociopath we have now running this country…
April 13th, 2007 at 3:06 pmDouchbag got trumped again by his own men! How about that! It’s too bad he didn’t “get the memo” or “email” as the case may be that his own Secy of Defense was “outing him”. This gets funnier by the day! What a bunch of sick retards.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:07 pmAgain, nice false choice argument.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — April 13, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
Poor little boys like Jake can only live with strawmen. The realities of the world are too much for them to bear, so they act like a juvenile. But in jake’s case, it’s obvious it isn’t acting. I hope when he gets his pubes, he won’t be such a little whiny piece of sh*t - but most likely he’ll remain the garbage his incompetent parents have made of him.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:08 pm#59 Bush has been using our military as his “politican pawns” from day one. Reprehensible abuse of power and genocide to boot. Wonder what a war crimes tribunal will think about all of this when Dumbya is Joe Civilian??
April 13th, 2007 at 3:09 pmIn the administration’s drive to provide “certainty” to the troops, wouldn’t a certain withdrawal date fit that bill nicely?
Oh, no, but then the terrorists will know they can just wait us out. They can “circle the day”.
So… by seeking to provide more certainty to the troops in the field, the administration is aiding the terrorists. Wow. Some irony.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:10 pmCrump’s Brother:
It wasn’t a “false choice argument” — I was asking where (or if) you draw the line — if you’d rather not answer my questions, that’s fine with me.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:10 pmBy her own admission, Dana Perino is both “screwed up” and “doesn’t know what she is talking about” and, at the same time, has the audacity to put herself up there as the white house mouthpiece? She’s as deluded as they are. People are laughing their a$$es off at this airhead. The more she gets out there, the more of a jackass she makes of herself and further tanks this administration.
Wonder if they ever heard the expression: Airheads need to be seen and not heard?? Will someone tape this airhead’s orifice soon please??
April 13th, 2007 at 3:11 pm#61 Jake, who? His comments are so inane and stupid that my eyes simply ignore them when they see the comments attributed to him and his multi-monikers like firehead….among others. He’s the village idiot here at TP - ignore him and he’ll get lost. Don’t waste your precious energy on this fool.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:13 pmWrite your Senators and Congressmen TODAY.
Demand Impeachment NOW.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:13 pmCongress refusing the EMERGENCY appropriation would have such a negative impact on the troops and their families though.
Congress never refused to fund the troops. And this additional deployment has nothing to do with that anyway, as the current funding won’t run out until July, as I’ve heard. Anyway, if the Congress were to refuse to fund the troops, how could that possibly lead to longer deployments if they have no money? I guess logic is a tricky subject for Reps.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:14 pmCrump’s Brother: It wasn’t a “false choice argument†— I was asking where (or if) you draw the line — if you’d rather not answer my questions, that’s fine with me. Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
It was a false choice, because the Constitution already drew the line, you ignorant little fool. As for your *questions*, you don’t post questions, you post only strawman arguments.
Here’s a link to explain to you what you do - j*ck*ss.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
April 13th, 2007 at 3:15 pmWhy should we bother answering your questions when you put anybody you don’t agree with on The List ™?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:15 pmBush doesn’t know what his own Pentagon is doing?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:15 pmDamn, we need a “War Czar”, real bad!
Dana Airhead Perino makes Tony Snowjob look like a Rhodes Scholar by sheer contrast.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:15 pmAs Colbert said (slight paraphrase):
Yeah, if only the founding fathers had thought of some role in the government like commander in chief that could decide and manage everything.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:18 pmWho are you really jake? until you decide to be honest and quit pretending to be a 75 year old baptist catholic korean war hero no one should give your questions serious thought. you are a waste of time, a waste of oxygen, and a waste of carbon.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:18 pmIt wasn’t a “false choice argument†— I was asking where (or if) you draw the line — if you’d rather not answer my questions, that’s fine with me. -Jake
Thats the thing Jake. You draw all these lines and become indignant when someone points out the line is in the wrong spot. It’s getting to be quite monotonous. When are you gonna get a new method?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:20 pmbut then the terrorists will know they can just wait us out.
Comment by KRank — April 13, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
That excuse always annoys the sh*t out of me. When officials or talking heads say, “giving a withdrawal date means the terrorists can just lay low and wait until we’re gone.” Okay, so they “lay low” and aren’t out there bombing and killing? Wouldn’t that prevent more of our soldiers and the Iraqi civilians from dying? Isn’t that a good thing?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:20 pmMaybe we could appoint Vladimir Putin as War Czar? Bush looked into his eyes already, so we know he’s been vetted for the job?
-GSD
April 13th, 2007 at 3:21 pmTripMasterMonkey - remember ‘That’s My Bush’ the sit-com that ran briefly in 2001? The one that showed GWB as a not too bright, incompetent frat boy? Maybe it’s time to dust that one off and try again.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:21 pmShe’s not stupid. But she’s shook. “12 year deployment. 12 year dwell time.”
It’s like my Dad told me. It doesn’t take a smart guy to tell the truth. If you tell the truth, you only have to remember what really happened. If you lie you have to remember all the stuff you said happened plus all the stuff that really did happen.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:22 pmWell, whaddya know!
I made that comment about Gates and Bush right here on Thinkprogress.org two days ago!
See for yourself:
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 04/ 11/ gates-extends-iraq-afghanistan-tours/ #comments
#23 Bush is using the threat of troop extensions as a weapon against the Democrats over the war appropriations bill.
Perhaps this is why Gates is mad that the troop extensions have become public.
Because now that it is known that Bush is the one extending the troop’s tours, he can no longer attack Democrats.
Sounds to me like these troop extensions were supposed to be kept secret until after the appropriations bill was passed into law.
Comment by Oxycon — April 11, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
April 13th, 2007 at 3:22 pm#80 Nah, Pooty-poot knows that the words War Czar just mean just mean “next scape goat”.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:23 pmSpuge boy, you shouldn’t answer jake’s questions because he is a plagiarizing lying scumbag. since he doesn’t ask honest questions, and doesn’t give honest answers, there are two choices left: either force him to come clean about his true identity and his dishonesty here, or ignore him.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:23 pmFor the record, the only ways to get on the “Ignore List” is (a) to request inclusion (there’s no “form” needed so if you politely ask, I will happily add you as five others have done so far), (b) personally attack me (which I do not do), and/or (c) not answer my questions (when I always answer yours). Simply disagreeing with me is NOT a factor — for instance, ask Crump’s Brother — I answered every question he’s had, in a civil manner, even though we’ve disagreed on everything because (up until now) he’s returned the same Common Courtesy.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:24 pmOf course, everyone like bob (not the hacker) can choose to not believe me and put me on their “Ignore List” as well. No skin off my nose.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:26 pm#80: hilarious!
April 13th, 2007 at 3:27 pmWhen officials or talking heads say, “giving a withdrawal date means the terrorists can just lay low and wait until we’re gone.†Okay, so they “lay low†and aren’t out there bombing and killing? Wouldn’t that prevent more of our soldiers and the Iraqi civilians from dying? Isn’t that a good thing?
Comment by JaneESchneider — April 13, 2007 @ 3:20 pm
Couldn’t agree more. It’s a stupid talking point and it only survives because wingnuts are so unable or unwilling to reflect on what they’re really saying.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:27 pmThis and the document dump along with Wolfowitz will make for great weekend pundit analysis. The surge is the President’s plan. The increased time tacked on to tours of duty is to supply the sustained man power in fufilling the President’s plan. This is not Congresses burden, no more than it is the entire countries in enduring this.
This falls squarely at the feat of the present administration. They are responsible for the effects this is having on the military, on the financial state of the country and for this divisive society.
It’s time for the Bush administration to reap what they sow.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:29 pmIf Congress had given Bush “more than he asked for†in terms of requiring the troops to be fully equipped and trained prior to deployment and setting a measurable goal and timetable for winning the war, could he veto the bill then?
Oh, wait, that’s what Congress has done.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:30 pmgo away jake you lying scum. you are a proven fraud. you are a military service dodging coward who stole a real veteran’s identity. if you had been old enough to be in the korean war, or the vietnam war you would have been a republican draft dodger, just like bush, cheney, wolfie, rush, orielly, etc.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:31 pmSpuge boy, you shouldn’t answer jake’s questions because he is a plagiarizing lying scumbag.
Comment by bob (not the hacker) — April 13, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
Bob, I disagree. I think we shouldn’t answer jake’s questions because he’s unequipped to discuss things intelligently.
Jake, I hope you realize that no one gives a crap about your Ignore Listâ„¢ except as another reason to laugh at you. The only people here who take you seriously are those who don’t know you or your game.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:31 pmFor the record, the only ways to get on the “Ignore List†is (a) to request inclusion (there’s no “form†needed so if you politely ask, I will happily add you as five others have done so far), (b) personally attack me (which I do not do), and/or (c) not answer my questions (when I always answer yours). Simply disagreeing with me is NOT a factor — for instance, ask Crump’s Brother — I answered every question he’s had, in a civil manner, even though we’ve disagreed on everything because (up until now) he’s returned the same Common Courtesy. Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
For the record Jake, no one gives a sh*t about you, your opinions, your list, or the b*llsh*t strawman arguments you post that make people p*ss all over you.
We don’t *disagree*, you post propaganda, lies, b*llsh*t, and when you’re caught either in a lie, or disproven, you act like the complete *ssh*le everyone already knows you to be.
You don’t get it Jake. EVERYONE HERE THINKS YOU’RE AN IDIOT!! Is that clear enough SON?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:31 pmOf course, everyone like bob (not the hacker) can choose to not believe me and put me on their “Ignore List†as well. No skin off my nose. Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
Our very existence is skin off your nose, that’s why you’re here and not on a wingnut blog where you belong - you little piece of sh*t liar.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:32 pmOf course, everyone like bob (not the hacker) can choose to not believe me and put me on their “Ignore List†as well. No skin off my nose.
Comment by Jake
Your not very believable when you refuse to accept the reality of the situation and answer those questions/statements directed at you by hiding behind this invisible straw ‘list’ nose skin or not.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:34 pmMore of the inmates are in charge of the nut house…..Blessings
April 13th, 2007 at 3:35 pmb) personally attack me (which I do not do), and/or (c) not answer my questions (when I always answer yours). -Jake
Yeh and I got a Superman cape and can fly thru the atmosphere by simply declaring, “Up! Up! Up And Away!”
April 13th, 2007 at 3:37 pmJake sez:
That’s a lie, as I will now show.
Jake claims that the reason I am on The List â„¢ is because I refused to answer a question. This is a lie.
Jake, here’s what you said:
I can only assume you’re referring to this thread, Jake, since you seem unable to substantiate your claims with links.
Please point out the post where you asked me “how the outcome of that trial would have been different”.
I’ll wait…
…
Now that you’re back with nothing to show, perhaps you’ll retract your false accusations…although I know better than to give you that much credit.
While we’re talking about unanswered questions, let’s talk about my question, that you so studiously ignored.
I’ll post it again, for everyone’s benefit.
Two things:
One: Jake ignored me at first, and then claimed to have posted a response, which was subsequently ‘disappeared’ by the TP editors. I replied that this was rather unlikely, and, even if it were true, why didn’t he simply post the answer again? After all, Jake seems to pride himself upon answering questions…he asks often enough if anyone has any for him…
Two: This post occurred on the same day as the tobacco thread Jake mentioned earlier. Since his stated reason for placing me on the “ignore list” was that I didn’t answer a question he never asked, and since I have proof that I asked him a question he subsequently deliberately evaded, it seems overwhelmingly likely that I’m actually on the “ignore list” because Jake is afraid to debate further with me. I’d be willing to wager that asking Jake questions he can’t answer, and pointing out his lies, are the only two reasons for inclusion in The List â„¢.
I hope this clears up any lingering confusion on this issue.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:37 pmCrump’s Brother?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:38 pmJeez, this is a new low for Chimpy idiocy.
He didn’t know about this major Iraq policy change until it was announced?
Jeez, that helmet-haired bimbo is admitting Chimpy is incompetent and out of the loop.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:39 pmJake sez:
You’d like that, wouldn’t you, Shakey? Too bad it’s not gonna happen.
Us grownups don’t have “ignore lists”. We’re mature enough to engage each other in honest debate, which is obviously way beyond your level.
You keep posting your fallacious tripe here, and we’re gonna keep explaining to the “lurkers” (your ‘chosen audience’) just how full of fertilizer you are. Kthx.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:41 pmBush would have had to know, unless he is truly a puppet on a string, more likely Perino didn’t know how to answer the question and fubared it. Still to claim that Bush was in the dark is pretty scary, the man is supposed to be in commander-in-chief. Of course he is looking for a war Czar, which means his short attention span is done with the war, the injured, and the dead. Yeah ADHD.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:42 pmFor the Record. Jake doesn’t matter.
This news along with the other implosions will make for great weekend pundit prognosticating. I’m imagining RedState boiling with their weekend reviews. It’s a must read to see what the far right is currently outraged about.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:43 pmLooks like the Peneton and maybe even Gates are shoveling dirt on poor W. I guess the kool aid cooler is empty :(
April 13th, 2007 at 3:43 pmJake, I thought i was on your “ignore list”? why are you mentioning me if you are ignoring me? I guess it’s the same why you could be a korean war vet when you are 25 and never served a day in your life. scumbag.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:43 pmwho cares? Just give me more vids of Dana!
April 13th, 2007 at 3:44 pmIf anyone NOT on the “Ignore List” wants to know whether it was “PROVEN” I am not a Korean War vet, please ask Dale when you see him next — his dad is a Korean War vet too — any time I respond, for the record, it is not intended to be directed towards anyone, real or fictional, on the “Ignore List”.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:49 pm104. that would be fantastic if the military decided to expose the chinks in Bush’.s armor and start putting the soldiers well being first. None in the military are ignorant about going into conflict but they understand how to be successful. They weren’t given the chance
April 13th, 2007 at 3:50 pmKeep on Rockin in the Freeworld.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:57 pmjake, the problem is this: most of your arguements are fuzzy, poorly expressed, and often based on ‘facts’ YOU believe are true, but most of us dont buy. secondly, your attitude is bothe combative and arrogant–you speak like the right did when they were the slight majority. you need to take stock of the fact that you are the waterboy for someone who, even if you agree with his policies, is looking more and more like a candidate for impeachment owing to his loose relationship with fact and his cronies’ obvious disregard and lack of respect for the rules.
you really make the right look bad. and as bushies keep pushing their ‘angry white guy’ agendas, and you guys carry water for a morally bankrupt administration, your policies will never see the light of day, no matter how viable they might be.
grow up and play nice. no one in this sandbox is listening to you.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:59 pmJake sez:
Jake, your “ignore list” is bullsh!t, as I proved in post #98.
No one’s buying it, Jake. Not the regulars, not the “lurkers”, not even the first-time visitors. It only takes five minutes or so for you to demonstrate what a jackass you are.
Gee, even when you’re plainly addressing those same people?
So, let me get this straight…you want to be able to address people without actually having a conversation. You want to be able to respond whenever you like, but also pretend they don’t exist whenever their points get too difficult for you to refute. In short, you want to have your cake and eat it too.
Wow…you are such a sniveling coward. I’m embarrassed to be in the same country as you.
Feel free not to reply, coward.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:00 pmBush is dishonoring the troops, holding their lives hostage to the continuation of his utterly failed policy. Coward. Thug. Liar.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:00 pmSeems to me this current administration has a habit of admitting to being totally stupid. Great folks we have “running” the country.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:02 pmWhat do you call a blonde with half a brain? Gifted.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:07 pmjake, no one is arguing that your dad was not a korean war vet, it’s you who didn’t serve. (nice freudian slip fathead) why is your korean war bio exactly the same as mr. johnson’s as written on a webpage? it is a word for word passage that you stole. go away and choke on a capri sun straw little boy.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:08 pmBushCrime (TM) should now be known as the “Nappy-Headed Ho Administration”…
Thanks, Imus!!!!
April 13th, 2007 at 4:10 pmIf anyone NOT on the “Ignore List†wants to know whether it was “PROVEN†I am not a Korean War vet, please ask Dale when you see him next — his dad is a Korean War vet too — any time I respond, for the record, it is not intended to be directed towards anyone, real or fictional, on the “Ignore Listâ€. Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
Yeah, two right wing nut trolls, backing each other up when one gets caught lying. Very reliable!
Sorry Jake, we ALL know you’re a liar, and a disgusting immoral pig. You can’t save your image now, it’s blown.
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April 13th, 2007 at 4:19 pm#114 Classy.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:22 pmSorry Jake, we ALL know you’re a liar, and a disgusting immoral pig. You can’t save your image now, it’s blown.
Dana Perino, like “hake”, better worry about saving their SOUL.
Anyone who supports BushCrime (TM) “Nappy Headed Ho” Adminstration
and their LIES, THIEVERY and MURDER OF THEIR FELLOW MAN is
PROBABLY on “thin ice”.
ESPECIALLY the most EVIL ones like Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Wolfowitz..
April 13th, 2007 at 4:24 pmDont be silly - Of course Bush knew - hes the commander in chief you cannot tell his troops what to do without him knowing ……. God the lies the repubs tell
April 13th, 2007 at 4:25 pmkip:
I am a registered Independent. If I seem combative or arrogant here, it is because I am single-handedly attempting to fight several “progressives” at once — not because I am defending Bush per se — if there’s some specific fact or opinion I’ve posted that you have a question about , ask politely and I will always return the same Common Courtesy.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:30 pmHow do you single-handley take on so many progressives at once when 98% of them are on your moronic Ignore List?
April 13th, 2007 at 4:34 pmkip: I am a registered Independent. Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
That’s what one of the GOP operatives (IndyNH) claimed, until he was caught. Sorry Jake. You’re no indy, you’re a partisan hack.
If I seem combative or arrogant here, it is because I am single-handedly attempting to fight several “progressives†at once — not because I am defending Bush per se — if there’s some specific fact or opinion I’ve posted that you have a question about , ask politely and I will always return the same Common Courtesy. Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
Now you sound like Seixon. Single handed? No other CONS are on the blogs? You’re delusional. Also, who’s fighting off whom again? You’re on a PROGRESSIVE blog, it is WE that are fighting of you, and the rest of your terrorist blog bombers - you st*pid ignorant *ssh*le.
The reason you appear combative and arrogant, is because you *are*. You came to this site, acting that way, and have remained so. Stop blaming others for the reason you’re an *ssh*le, clearly it’s where you *prefer* to behave from.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:46 pm“Bush was in the dark”
April 13th, 2007 at 4:50 pmSo, what else is new?
I am a registered Independent. [But I ALWAYS side with the corrupt party] If I seem combative or arrogant here, it is because I am single-handedly attempting to fight [Fighting is being comabtive] several “progressives†[So you are fighting progressives] at once — not because I am defending Bush per se [But are] — if there’s some specific fact [What fact? analogies are not fact] or opinion I’ve posted that you have a question about , ask politely and I will always return the same Common Courtesy. April 13, 2007
No, you want to ‘fight’ a progressive ideology [which is mostly a fight against corruption] while being an IINO while defending this administrations corruption at every turn by posting unrelated analogies and misleading information and REFUSING to look at things from any perspective or rationalizing in any way but your own.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:50 pmDear Jake, kind sir, please please tell me, pretty please, how the decider, the war president, the commander in chief, who needs to be left alone so he can win this war, can use emergency supplemental bills to claim that congress is making him extend deployments, that were extended well before this latest supplemental bill, in Iraq? Please?
Please tell me this is not a political canard, please, please.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:58 pmEverybody seems to miss the whole point of this story. We are being told that Bush is not really running this country (except into the ground). Gates had a meeting with Cheney and Rove while Bush was playing cheerleader and advertising geek. You have heard before that Cheney is the last person that Bush sees after having any meeting with someone and Cheney gives his assessment of the meeting and then tells Bush what he (Cheney) wants him to know and nothing more. It sure is as plain as the dumb look on Bush’s face almost every day.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:00 pmJake’s ignore list was a bunch of shit. Here he is, responding to me, a charter member of the list:
The FIRST job of the government is to PROTECT the people. Jake
Um, I thought it was to uphold the Constitution? Or has that changed since 9/11?
Comment by barfly — April 13, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
For the record, if all the People are killed by terrorists with suitcase nukes, it matters no longer to uphold the Constitution.
Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
April 13th, 2007 at 5:00 pmPlease Mr Jake, oh Please, with sugar on top, tell me how Bush using stop-loss, another euphemism being troop extension, be due to emergency supplemental dated in back in 2005?
Huh, Mr Jake, please, please tell me how this can be, please?
PRESIDENT BUSH: Today, we’re talking about the mobilization of Reserve and Guard troops. Understanding stop-loss. LEE HOCHBERG: President Bush opened the …
http://www.pbs.org/ newshour/ bb/ military/ jan-june05/ stop-loss
And also in 2006? Please. Please Oh kindly sir, please.
Currently stop-loss is being used to extend the duty of 12500 troops. … On Sunday the Associated Press reported that President Bush will use his new …
April 13th, 2007 at 5:04 pmhttp://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0131/dailyUpdate.html
The policy has been controversial. Republican Sen. John McCain has called it a “backdoor draft” as have many Democrats. “Stop-loss” had been used before during the first Gulf War to rapidly build troop strength, but it never has been utilized for an extended occupation.
Oh my a backdoor draft by the stroller, and purchaser of fine terrosist security blankets [five for five!]
April 13th, 2007 at 5:11 pmSo jake…how can we keep the evil terrorists from attacking us with suitcase Nukes???Stretching our Military to the breaking point in Iraq’s civil war, and borrowing the money to pay for it all from the Chinese ought to do the trick…don’t ya think???
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April 13th, 2007 at 5:14 pmMy spouse is in the Army and was expecting to go back to Iraq in July. It was them rummored that the time-line had changed and the unit they were replacing was going to be there for three months longer and that their rotation would also be extened for about three months. This rummor started at least a month ago in the senior NCO ranks, so that tells me that senior Officers were hearing about this at least two months ago.
It sickens me that Bush tries to blame the Democrats for his wrong and unpopular decisions. My military family and plenty of others know that he is a liar.
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April 13th, 2007 at 6:13 pmWhich is with you, schitzoids? On one hand Bush is just a sock puppet who is too stupid to hold a piece of string ….and the next minute…he’s a manipulating, diabolical, evil genius…….
April 13th, 2007 at 7:12 pmNico - You might want to team up with Matt the intern…..
It cost $340 billion for Iraq War thus far and it only needs $19 billion to save the people in global poverty, according to The Borgen Project. Comparing to the $522 billion U.S. military budget, this annual cost of improving the world is very little.
April 13th, 2007 at 7:29 pmI hope our political leader will realize how much money and precious lives they are wasting on a war against “terrorismâ€, and next president will make a commitment to the U.N.’s Millennium Development Goals to end the global poverty.
It is really not so hard if we are truly willing to make a change and bring peace to the world not by military solution but by humanitarian aid.
DaShamu - You want to blame “someone” for not ending global poverty? Blame the corrupt “leaders” of Third World hellholes who skim the money we send before it EVER reaches their impoverished populations. Next, blame the idiots in those countries who control the distribution of foodstuffs and farm implements. Please tell me you’re not as simple as your question suggests……
April 13th, 2007 at 7:39 pmWhich is with you, schitzoids? Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
You must be talking to yourself and jake.
On one hand Bush is just a sock puppet who is too stupid to hold a piece of string ….Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
That’s true - he is.
and the next minute…he’s a manipulating, diabolical, evil genius……. Nico - You might want to team up with Matt the intern….. Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
Someone can be evil, and openly try to break the law and hide it without being a genius. After all st*pid c*nt, if he were a genius, he wouldn’t have been caught doing it.
Why are you such a schizoid about liberals? You claim we’re educated elitists, while calling us st*pid. Project much, you st*pid, ignorant little c*nt?
April 13th, 2007 at 7:43 pmDaShamu - You want to blame “someone†for not ending global poverty? Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
Most of the blame for the latest round of poverty has gone to the skewed trade agreements of the WTO which screwed third world countries. But you already knew that, didn’t you? Maybe not, you are awfully st*pid.
Blame the corrupt “leaders†of Third World hellholes who skim the money we send before it EVER reaches their impoverished populations. Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
Oh, there’s plenty of that in every country. After all, the Iraqis say that the US has been more corrupt in Iraq, than Saddam was - and then we have Halliburton. The wealthy in this country find ways to skim billions and probably trillions in corporate welfare - while 50 million americans don’t have healthcare and often live in poor conditions. It’s not just the third world - but anytime you ‘right wingers’ get involved that things turn to sh*t.
Next, blame the idiots in those countries who control the distribution of foodstuffs and farm implements. Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
Actually many of those countries lose their farms and farmers, because ADM and other american companies dump food in surplus years and so destroy the livelihood of those farmers they go bankrupt. You knew that as well right? No, of course you didn’t.
Please tell me you’re not as simple as your question suggests……
Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
We all know how *simple* your childish Anorexic little ignorant brain is.
You’re a st*pid c*nt - grow up you st*pid little hateful b*tch.
April 13th, 2007 at 7:47 pm#132 Bush is Not too stupid to hold a piece of string. He is a Front Man , and a rather incompetent one, for a team of manipulating,diabolical ,evil self described geniuses.
April 13th, 2007 at 7:48 pmEducated liberal elitists are often caught with their pants down as they tilt at windmills, ala Don Quixote. The last great bastion for 60’s hippies and their spawn is teaching at the university level. (Translation: not much work for a great paycheck…)
April 13th, 2007 at 7:49 pmI GO WITH THE PLOT, THE LIES, THE WIGGLING. PLANNED ESPECIALLY FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO DIGEST. PURE BULLSHIT!
April 13th, 2007 at 8:02 pmVVGFU - You’re so worried about 50 million uninsured Americans - why don’t progressives have a campaign so each and every one of you “adopt’ a member of the working poor and pay for their health insurance? (After you subtract minimum wage college aand high school kids, there shouldn’t be that many.) You could feel soooo good about yourselves and raise that self-esteem a tad!!
April 13th, 2007 at 8:04 pmEducated liberal elitists are often caught with their pants down as they tilt at windmills, ala Don Quixote. Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
That’s because we’re busy f*cking up idiots like you ;) Don’t worry, we enjoy have our pants down, much more than you do - st*pid c*nt.
Still you attack our *education*, by claiming we’re not smart - irony, coming from a st*pid c*nt.
The last great bastion for 60’s hippies and their spawn is teaching at the university level. (Translation: not much work for a great paycheck…) Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
The last great bastion for right wingnut thieves, commodities traders. They run the table on the gambling world, and translation: not much work for a great paycheck…
You really don’t know sh*t about academia do you? Teaching at any level is a lot of work. Something a lazy piece of sh*t spoiled child like you would never understand.
So once again, valiant venus, and her strapon p*nis proves my point. Liberals are educated, therefore unintelligent in her world. Up is down, black is white, and the mentally ret*rded and deranged person she sees in the mirror is smart because she’s not as educated.
BHAAHAHA, yeah sure… You really are a st*pid c*nt.
April 13th, 2007 at 8:05 pmVVGFU - You’re so worried about 50 million uninsured Americans - why don’t progressives have a campaign so each and every one of you “adopt’ a member of the working poor and pay for their health insurance? Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 8:04 pm
Where have I heard that advice before. Oh yeah, right. From those that point out all of those unwanted fertility clinic eggs while they whine about abortions and stem cells. How many of those eggs have been adopted again - 50? How many TENS OF THOUSANDS remain?
So your option is to make the people you already claim are poor (the democrats - you whine about it constantly) adopt other poor people. Why you CONS (you claim you’re the rich fat cats) pay nothing.
Wow, sounds like you want more of the same, where corporate welfare is the only welfare permitted.
You’re a hateful st*pid c*nt.
(After you subtract minimum wage college aand high school kids, there shouldn’t be that many.) You could feel soooo good about yourselves and raise that self-esteem a tad!! Comment by valiant venus — April 13, 2007 @ 8:04 pm
You confuse *self-absorption* with *self-esteem*, st*pid c*nt. Sour c*nts like you always have plenty of self absorption to cover up their low self esteem - and the delusionally think it’s the same thing.
Just because you have no compassion, you think others that do only have guilt. That’s very typical of a mentally disturbed sociopath. No wonder you have an eating disorder. You’re just a cornucopia of f*cked up values!
April 13th, 2007 at 8:09 pmvaliant venus sez:
Interesting how an alleged “attorney” can’t spell schizoids .
Where did you get your law degree, VV? Were you classmates with Jason M. Hendler at that Ivy-League Stanford we’ve heard so much about?
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