‘We are trying to muddy the coverage.’
By on Apr 13th, 2007 at 3:25 pm
‘We are trying to muddy the coverage.’
From today’s document dump, an email from Justice Department spokeswoman Tasia Scolinos to Bush counselor Dan Bartlett and Cheney aide Cathie Martin on 3/6/07, one day before several purged U.S. Attorneys testified before Congress:
Right now the coverage will be dominated by how qualified these folks were and their theories for their dismissals. We are trying to muddy the coverage up a bit by trying to put the focus on the process in which they were told — I suspect we are going to get to the point where DOJ has to say this anyway. First, it is true. Second, we are having morale problems with our other U.S. attorneys who understand the decision but think that these folks were not treated well in the process.
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April 13th, 2007 at 3:30 pmremember, Fraud is not about outright lies - it is about deception; hiding from others what is known to be the whole picture. This is Fraud.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:31 pm– We are trying to muddy the coverage up –
this bunch of conservative Republicans is — hands down — the most unlawful, incompetent, corrupt and treasonous bunch ever to infect DC
unbelievable …
David Gregory no doubt dutifully “put the focus on the process in which they were told”
are there any real reporters in the WH Press Corp besides Helen Thomas ?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:32 pmThe are, after all, the Masters of Mendacity.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:32 pmIf this is a low level DOJ aide’s e-mail habit, I can only wonder what Karl’s are.
And if there are illustrations too?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:34 pmSo?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:36 pmI think it is their PATRIOTIC DUTY to “muddy the coverage” by our current mainstream press, including most definitely, the treasonous New York Times.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:40 pmSo?
jake,
you are lying plagiarizing republican scumbag jake. go away. your presence here muddies the the waters of civil discourse and decency, you service dodging hypocrite.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:40 pmMuddying the coverage is nothing new for the Repukes.
Its another Rovian technique, smear a lot of shit around and see what sticks.
IF they can muddy the waters enough, it makes what they did look less bad.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:40 pmSo? Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
The response everyone here has on your posts. So? You think what you have to say is relevant, informed, or even constructive?
You’re an idiot Jake, someone that is so delusional, you think it’s your duty to inflict your ignorance on those that are much more moral, better informed, and more capable than you are. You’re a loser Jake.
So won’t you just STFU for a change?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:42 pm#6 You really don’t mind being lied to, as long as you are lied to by the right people, do you?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:42 pmSupertramp - Crime Of The Century
Now they’re planning the crime of the century
Well, what will it be?
Read all about their schemes and adventuring
Yes it’s well worth the fee
So roll up and see
How they rape the universe
How they’ve gone from bad to worse
Who are these men of lust, greed and glory?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:43 pmRip off the masks and let’s see
But that’s not right
Oh no, what’s the story?
Well there’s you and there’s me
I think it is their PATRIOTIC DUTY to “muddy the coverage†by our current mainstream press, including most definitely, the treasonous New York Times. Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
You wrote New York Times, but everyone is sure you mean the Post, and the rest of the Wingnut Smear, Lie and Steal corporations. Oh wait, they represent YOUR TREASONOUS values, so that’s OK.
You’re not a PATRIOT Jake, you’re a NATIONALIST, just like Hitler’s boy. Buy a dictionary, and learn the difference, you TRAITOR to AMERICA and our VALUES!
April 13th, 2007 at 3:43 pmFor those that aren’t familiar with southern j*ck*sses like Jake. When they are referring to the “New York Times”, it’s actually a veiled anti-semitic attack against the “Librul-Jews”. The KKK is alive and well, and it’s channeled through that bigot Jake.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:45 pm#6 You really don’t mind being lied to, as long as you are lied to by the right people, do you? Comment by JPark — April 13, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
Jake *prefers* being lied to, that’s why he comes here to attack the truth. The truth scares him, but the “big-lie” really tickles his KKK/Nazi cockles!
April 13th, 2007 at 3:46 pmMuddy the coverage=obfuscate the truth.
Remember the good old days when Republicans pretended to be outraged about the government lying to them?
-GSD
Should I have used a more troll friendly word like “hide” instead of “obfuscate”?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:46 pmSo? So this administration is falling apart before your eyes. So? So the american people are tired of the loss of life and treasure by this administration. So? So you accept this. So you are part of the problem.
So there
April 13th, 2007 at 3:47 pm#15 The jingoism is strong in that one.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:49 pmSo will gonzo slip out this evening in typical Friday news cycle style?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:49 pmJake:
What?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:51 pmLet’s impeach the president for lying.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:52 pmDynah Moe:
I don’t believe I am part of the problem. I think it is every American’s PATRIOTIC DUTY to “muddy the coverage†by our current mainstream press, including most definitely, the treasonous New York Times. Do you think WWII was worth the loss of life and treasure by the FDR 9and especially Truman) Administrations? If not, may I suggest YOU are part of the problem?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:52 pmHas any Administration official resigned yet today? It’s Friday.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:52 pmneilyoung:
Which “lie” do you think Mr. Bush should be impeached on first?
April 13th, 2007 at 3:56 pmI think it is every American’s PATRIOTIC DUTY to “muddy the coverage†by our current mainstream press, including most definitely, the treasonous New York Times.
How very…American of you.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:56 pm#23 Nah, the news cycle isn’t over yet. Wait a few hours.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:57 pmJust for clarification, what is the “progressive” line on how long we are supposed to wait before storming DC and taking this country back? Is it before or after they start raping our teen-aged daughters in the public square and broadcasting it on some reality show sponsored by our friends at WalMart and Exxon/Mobil?
I would have thought that engaging in genocide and cleaning out the public treasury would have been the tipping point, but that just displays my ignorance. What I’ve been told is that we, the “progressives”, are supposed to continue to allow the murder, abuse, and theft to continue so that we can use it for maximum political leverage in order to regain power so that we can rob the treasury (if there is anything left). Of course, then the murder and abuse will happen out of public sight like it is supposed to.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:57 pmFor the record, I do not want any “innocents” killed when we bomb the New York Times building — just the traitorous editors and reporters.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:58 pmI think it was noted historian David McCullough who observed we would have lost our OWN American Revolutionary War had the mainstream press existed back then . . . something to ponder.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:00 pmre #24.
don’t waste your time explaining lies to jake, he doesn’t know that there is a thing called truth so how can he understand what a lie is?
April 13th, 2007 at 4:02 pmre#28
jake is getting desperate folks. he usually tries harder to feign maturity.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:03 pm#28 You would make a good SS officer. Freedom of the press is “quaint” isn’t it, Herr Jake?
April 13th, 2007 at 4:03 pmJake, I thought the government’s job was to serve the people. How can the government properly serve the people if they are spending time muddying the waters.
Respectfully, Do you think the current situation should be paralled with WWII? If so, then we all should have been sacrificing since 9/11. But our government didn’t ask us to do that. They wanted us to shop.
If the war in Iraq is going to be talked about in the same vein as WWII then we should be having blood drives, a draft, gas and food rationing. But we have none that. Why? Because Bush couldn’t sell that to us. He believed this would have been over a long time ago. Go look up the amount of planning they did for after the initial conflict. Hardly any and that is the problem.
I’m not arguing whether the cause is just or not. The execution of it is wrong and those in charge have made it worse.
If you believe otherwise, you have a right to say but you are part of the problem.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:04 pmFor the record, I do not want any “innocents†killed when we bomb the New York Times building — just the traitorous editors and reporters. Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
How long have you been in Al Qaeda, Jake?
Treason is a President that lies to congress to engage us in an illegal war against a country that’s no threat.
Treason is a person like you that says they’re a Christian, but is willing to “lie” whenever it suits you, and supports the destruction of our Constitution.
You’re no different than Osama, you just spell Allah different, you sicko freak.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:04 pmAs soon as your mom cleans up and leads the charge.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:05 pmFor the record, Jake……
Your a PLAGERIZING A$$!!!!
As well as a TRAITOR!!!
Bush outed a CIA NOC!!! This is TREASON….. Bush did NOTHING on 9/11 and LET America be attacked….. Tis is TREASON!!!!!
There are HUNDREDS of crimes….. The largest is 9/11, then probably the Iraq war and then warantless wiretapping….. Bush started pursuing this 3 weeks after he entered office…. This was PREMEDITATED!!!!
April 13th, 2007 at 4:05 pmI think it was noted historian David McCullough who observed we would have lost our OWN American Revolutionary War had the mainstream press existed back then . . . something to ponder. Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
You may be right, because the Mainstream press now, is a right wing corporate piece of sh*t - like you. Something to ponder indeed.
We would have lost the war, if more right wing sellouts like you and Benedict Arnold had had their way in the press.
You forget, the US was the *liberal* country, and we did have the free press - a very VIBRANT free press with the likes of men like Franklin that decried the abuses of power, while the *king* tried to silence the dissent of these men.
You really don’t get American history, do you *ssh*le?
April 13th, 2007 at 4:07 pm– For the record, I do not want any “innocents†killed when we bomb the New York Times building — just the traitorous editors and reporters. –
poor little guy … you must be watching FOX Noise and listening to Druggie Limbaugh … no wonder you’re all confused … you’ve confused the NYT with the GOP crowd who disclosed the identity of a CIA agent during wartime and also disclosed her corporate cover, destroying a vital national intelligence asset build up over decades …
April 13th, 2007 at 4:07 pmRemoveBush, the sad thing is Al Qaeda attacked that building because they knew it would be full of Americans, business people, and Jews. The same reasons Jake wants to blow up the NYT building.
No wonder folks like Jake funded and trained the rise of Al Qaeda to fight the *commies*! I bet Jake thought they were great when RayGUN was funding them in Afghanistan (or at least his father probably did).
The rightwingnuts in this country forget they were best buds and how much they had in common with their right wing Islamist friends. Israel is about the only subject they disagree on. Otherwise, they’re like minds. They’re against womens rights, abortion, communism, secularism, rights of gay people, even the NYTimes, etc. There’s virtually no disagreement with Jake and Osama. The irony is he doesn’t care or understand this.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:10 pmJake, I have a few serious questions for you. Do you have a life? Seriously, I am not trying to flame you, but what is your purpose in life? Is your purpose to post sad and misinformed comments on TP? Do you have a career, or at least a job? A degree? Really, I would like to know.
Thanks in advance.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:11 pmPeople, people, please don’t feed the trolls.
I know jake makes a tempting target, what with his muddle-headed arrogance and poor grasp of reason, but let that low fruit just drop to the ground.
All he’s about is disrupting these threads. Don’t let him.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:11 pmDon’t forget that as crazy as he may seem, the resident troll’s comments represent the “thinking” of about 25-35% of our fellow citizens. And that is the real pity of it.
Have a good weekend.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:11 pmJake is a budding Timothy Mcveigh. Treasonous, anti-American troll.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:13 pmDynah Moe:
The FIRST job of the government is to PROTECT the people. If you don’t think FDR never lied during WWII, may I suggest you read “Roosevelt’s Secret War: FDR and World War II Espionage” by Joe Persico? It is a testament to our greatness and the strength of our economy that we only needed to increase defense spending a few percent to take care of this war — I disagree that the execution of this war was any worse than WWII — I lived through both and at least there has not been another 9/11 on our shores.
Nanite:
No, I did not confuse the NYT building with anyone who leaked Valerie Plame’s name (especially since we don;t even know if a crime was committed in the case of Plame).
Dr. Matt:
I’m retired, but my “purpose” here is shed light on these subjects. I have multiple degrees — you?
April 13th, 2007 at 4:15 pm#28…isn’t that a terrorist threat? TP, how should we report this?
April 13th, 2007 at 4:16 pm“RemoveBush, the sad thing is Al Qaeda attacked that building because they knew it would be full of Americans, business people, and Jews. The same reasons Jake wants to blow up the NYT building.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — April 13, 2007 @ 4:10 pm”
This is where I disagree with you!
I do not believe Al Qaeda actually attacked those buildings. If they did, then they did it with the help of our government. Those buildings were demolished in a Controlled Demolition. Al Qaeda could not do that alone!
So to blame it on Al Qaeda is not accurate!
Other than that….. I agree.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:16 pmAlso, don’t terrorist threats go agains the Terms of Use?
April 13th, 2007 at 4:17 pm#37 Actually, I don’t know if McCullough said that but I do know he said The Alien and Sedition Act which imprisoned journalists for speaking out against the Adams administration “are rightfully judged by history as the most reprehensible acts of Adams’s presidency.” Jake just tries to “muddy the waters” on everything. What a toad.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:17 pmJake. What a mess.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:18 pmDynah Moe: I don’t believe I am part of the problem. I think it is every American’s PATRIOTIC DUTY to “muddy the coverage†by our current mainstream press, including most definitely, the treasonous New York Times. Do you think WWII was worth the loss of life and treasure by the FDR 9and especially Truman) Administrations? If not, may I suggest YOU are part of the problem? Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
Oh PUHLEASE. If there was the kind of corruption in those administration, that there is in this administration, the CONs would have pushed it all in the press. Heck they tried to smear FDR and Truman in the press as it is - you historically clueless twit!
You are aware that Republicans in congress tried to withdraw FDR funding even after Pearl Harbor - don’t you?
What a clueless fool you are Jake!
April 13th, 2007 at 4:19 pm#27 Fed the F Up: To answer your question, the majority of the people will not rise up until they lose their houses & jobs. This will happen fairly soon because of Bush’s fiscal policies, which are about to cause the mother of all crashes in our economy.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:20 pmI really can’t figure out what is more pathetic. Jake, the provocateur, enjoying great success leading many around like a bunch of frenzied 2nd graders on crack, or the apathetic do nothing but blab attitude that is incredibly prevalent here.
Lots of talk, but little if any progressive thinking and certainly no progressive “actionâ€. Are you a bunch of cowards or do you actually believe that engaging in a vile slam fest on those that you label “trolls” is actually doing something?
April 13th, 2007 at 4:21 pmFor the record, I agree with McCullough about Adams — here’s the quote I was referring to:
If the present-day news media were around in the 1770s, the United States of America never could have won the Revolutionary War, author/historian David McCullough charged in a taped interview to plug his new book, 1776. Appearing on CNBC’s Tim Russert aired Saturday night, McCullough asserted that if the Continental Army efforts led by George Washington “had been covered by the media, and the country had seen now horrible the conditions were, how badly things were being run by the officers, and what a very serious soup we were in, I think that would have been it” for the colonialists and the British would have won.
http://www.mediaresearch.org/ cyberalerts/ 2005/ cyb20050620.asp#4
April 13th, 2007 at 4:22 pmThe FIRST job of the government is to PROTECT the people.
Um, I thought it was to uphold the Constitution? Or has that changed since 9/11?
April 13th, 2007 at 4:22 pm(especially since we don;t even know if a crime was committed in the case of Plame).
Actually, we do. It was. But someone’s in denial . . .
April 13th, 2007 at 4:23 pmFiredoglake has a good article on info from today’s document dump:
“This was not even redacted. Batch 5 p 14. 2/12/07 From Monica:
This is the chart that the AG requested.
It shows detail for each fired USA and each proposed replacement. Information Abu said UNDER OATH that he did not have, and was not involved with.
His testimony should be interesting…”
It seems even the Bushites aren’t protecting Gonzo anymore.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:24 pmDynah Moe: The FIRST job of the government is to PROTECT the people. If you don’t think FDR never lied during WWII, may I suggest you read “Roosevelt’s Secret War: FDR and World War II Espionage†by Joe Persico? It is a testament to our greatness and the strength of our economy that we only needed to increase defense spending a few percent to take care of this war — I disagree that the execution of this war was any worse than WWII — I lived through both and at least there has not been another 9/11 on our shores. Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
So you justify lies by what happened in an Era where blacks didn’t have civil rights?
Tell me, when did FDR use the whitehouse to try to destroy republicans during the war? The difference was FDR didn’t act in a partisan destructive way - but you inept fools do.
And we aren’t in a war where people are attacking us, the point where we can’t survive. We have a few loose whack jobs in the middle east, that have resulted from decades poor CONSERVATIVE foreign policies.
You’re an idiot Jake.
Nanite: No, I did not confuse the NYT building with anyone who leaked Valerie Plame’s name (especially since we don;t even know if a crime was committed in the case of Plame). Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
At least one person is on Jail already - idiot. We also KNOW she was covert - that’s treasonous no matter what you say you unpatriotic lying piece of sh*t *ssh*le.
Dr. Matt: I’m retired, but my “purpose†here is shed light on these subjects. I have multiple degrees — you? Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
Basket weaving, and pubic hair rug making don’t count.
If that’s your purpose, you’re as unprepared for the task, as Bush was to be President.
You’re living a wasted life, filled with incompetent b*llsh*t, while avoiding your *real* life because it sucks. Do you think we really can’t see what a miserable, hateful and unhappy piece of sh*t you are?
No love, no lover, no happiness. You’re just a loser Jake, and EVERYONE here knows it.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:24 pmFor the record, if all the People are killed by terrorists with suitcase nukes, it matters no longer to uphold the Constitution.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:24 pmJake, that assumes a lot. How do they know that wouldn’t have caused a backlash from Americans seeing how badly the English were treating us?
You people are such *cowards*, inherently. You think the truth makes you weak, but what makes you weak is your fear, and ignorance. You ignorant little cowardly *ssh*le.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:26 pmComment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
I agree with George W. Bush when he said “Victory means exit strategy, and the president needs to let us know what that exit strategy is.”
Of course, he was governor then…
April 13th, 2007 at 4:26 pmComment by Jake
Cowardly.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:27 pm#52 Why don’t you go start your own revolution, then, instead of spamming TP?
April 13th, 2007 at 4:27 pm#58 Did you just wet yourself?
April 13th, 2007 at 4:28 pmFor the record, if all the People are killed by terrorists with suitcase nukes, it matters no longer to uphold the Constitution. Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
That’s a b*llsh*t Hitler excuse to ignore the Constitution. During WWII, when we actually had the potential to lose the country, we didn’t disband the constitution. But a few loose fools that so far have only done minor damage compared to a serious war, and you’re ready to chuck the entire constitution.
What kind of f*ck*ng coward loser are you? There’s no way you’re either an adult, or a veteran with that kind of cowardly idea!
Most of us would rather die free (as in honoring our constitution), than be enslaved to right wingnut fools like you.
You however don’t seem to value America, our values, or our constitution. Benedict Arnold held your values - may I suggest you take his lead, and move to a country that is willing to sell its values out at the first sign of ‘minor’ danger.
Loser *ssh*le!
April 13th, 2007 at 4:29 pmFor the record, if all the People are killed by terrorists with suitcase nukes, it matters no longer to uphold the Constitution. Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
Little st*pid t*rd, we have 300 MILLION people spread across an entire continent. Not even the Soviets had enough weapons to kill ALL of the people, as you say.
Are you completely mentally deranged, or are you just insanely st*pid?
April 13th, 2007 at 4:30 pmFor the record, if all the People are killed by terrorists with suitcase nukes, it matters no longer to uphold the Constitution.
OR…
LIARS who CLAIM that there will be “MUSHROOM CLOUDS” and INVADE COUNTRIES ILLEGALLY…
THESE LIARS have already CEASED to “uphold the Constitution”…
For example, thwarting the LAW to preserve all Presidential Records.
And exposing CIA COVERT SPIES who specialize in WMD proliferation
Obstructing justice by firing attorneys who were not “loyal Bushies”
OR…
TRAITORS Bush and Cheney
REFUSING TO SWEAR TO GOD TO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT 9/11 and their involvement with the Bin Ladens and Saudi TERRORIST financiers…
And Osama is STILL FREE
April 13th, 2007 at 4:31 pm#51,
Oh I see, so its after the “Rape your Neighbor’s Teen-Aged Daughter” game show starts on FOX.
I’ll mark my calendar.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:32 pm#58 Did you just wet yourself?
Comment by JPark — April 13, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
Like all terrorists, destruction makes him horny. That’s why he got all *hot* talking about killing people at the NYTimes. It’s funny how these murderous terrorist types always think they are *protecting* people with acts of terrorism. Sickos.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:32 pmbarfly sez:
Not exactly the behavior you’d expect from a Korean war vet, is it?
My father is an actual Korean War vet, and I know damned well he’d die before he’d sacrifice Liberty for Security.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:33 pmAnd if the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus get together and sing “It’s a Small World,” then everything will be sweetness and light, Chuckles. Both scenarios are equally likely.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:34 pmCan someone tell me where this little tidbit came from, please?
April 13th, 2007 at 4:34 pmDid this guy Jake threaten to bomb the NY Times? Isn’t that a crime?
April 13th, 2007 at 4:36 pm#62,
April 13th, 2007 at 4:37 pmThanks for your response. I’ll go ahead and put you into the “coward” column. Your country appreciates your “patriotism”.
– Nanite: No, I did not confuse the NYT building with anyone who leaked Valerie Plame’s name (especially since we don;t even know if a crime was committed in the case of Plame). Comment by Jake –
oh yes, you have confused them … what we know is she was considered an undercover covert agent by the CIA … according to the head of the CIA … what we also know is Brewster & Jennings was her corporate cover …what we know is Rove — crime or not — disclosed during wartime the identity of a CIA agent and also disclosed B & J, destroying a vital national intelligence network asset …
your boys in the White House — who had signed oaths to keep classified information classified — broke their oaths to betray the nation … great crowd you defend there out of blind loyalty to the GOP … typical conservative
April 13th, 2007 at 4:38 pm#
Did this guy Jake threaten to bomb the NY Times? Isn’t that a crime?
Comment by Steve-O — April 13, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
#
Yep! Send him to gitmo and hold him for five years. He can ask Donald Vance for a lawyer.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:41 pmDid this guy Jake threaten to bomb the NY Times? Isn’t that a crime? Comment by Steve-O — April 13, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
Yes it is, and someone should report him to the FBI for doing so. Not that the FBI will do anything. Too many of them would agree with Jake, unfortunately…
April 13th, 2007 at 4:43 pmFor the record, if all the People are killed by terrorists with suitcase nukes, it matters no longer to uphold the Constitution.
Comment by Jake
For the record, Jake has officially pissed all over his concept of having an “ignore list” just now, by responding to me, a charter member of this supposed “list.” I always knew the little Prima Donna wouldn’t be able to keep his mouth shut, and i have just been proved right. Suck on that, Jake, while you’re drying off your little “list.”
April 13th, 2007 at 4:44 pmNanite:
I believe that bit about “Rove — crime or not” goes a long ways toward why we disagree whether I am confused or not. Since I think there was no crime disclosing her identity, I’m not confused. Really, I don’t know how much clearer I can make it.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:44 pmIf anyone NOT on the “Ignore List” has a question about why it doesn’t matter what the Constitution says if all the People are dead, let me know.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:46 pmSorry, had to be away for a bit. The FIRST job of the government is to PROTECT the people. is what you wrote Jake, but then you went back to WWII. You ignored the differences but said they are the same in intensity. There are no similiarities at all. There is no unified purpose. There is no clear objective. There is no unified sacrifice.
It shows you have anger towards our enemy that caused 9/11 but I haven’t read too much from you on these posts about going after Osama Bin Ladin or Al Qaeda. You have a fear of suitcases with bombs but aren’t mad at the President for not doing more for border patrol. Or for creating Homeland Security for that matter.
You speak of “on the record” but ignore the record of failures by our current leaders. I admire your patriotism but I fear it’s been hijacked by the ones you want to believe in.
Your not a bad person but are ignoring so much of what’s in front of you.
Nobody said all governments don’t lie. You accept it. I denounce it. Everytime. Republicans shouldn’t, Democrats shouldn’t and we shouldn’t let it happen. Ever. And we should stand up against it whenever it’s discovered. You don’t see that. But that doesn’t mean it’s not there.
Was Socrates that talked of the two people who were held in a cave all their lives and were shown shadows. One day the shackles were taken off and the walked out into the world and saw birds, trees and people. Not just the shadows of them but the real thing. One person accepted the real world. The other ran back into the cave for the shadows.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:47 pmComment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
So you HONESTLY believe there is nothing wrong with disclosing the identity of a covert CIA agent? I think the CIA would disagree with that.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:49 pmIf anyone NOT on the “Ignore List†has a question about why it doesn’t matter what the Constitution says if all the People are dead, let me know.
Comment by Jake
You just answered me, didn’t you? Am I not on your ignore list?
April 13th, 2007 at 4:50 pmJake, The CIA director said Plame was covert and the CIA did start an investigation to how her name was leaked. It is illegal. If you don’t believe it to be doesn’t change the law.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:52 pmI guess we are just different then, Dynah Moe. No reason we can’t agree to disagree. I think the government lying about broken Japanese code traffic during WWII was a “good” thing. YMMV.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:52 pmIf anyone NOT on the “Ignore List†has a question about why it doesn’t matter what the Constitution says if all the People are dead, let me know.
Comment by Jake
OK, but all the people are alive. So it does matter what the constitution says.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:53 pmIf anyone NOT on the “Ignore List†has a question about the topic as well, let me know that too.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:53 pmThe FIRST job of the government is to PROTECT the people. Jake
Um, I thought it was to uphold the Constitution? Or has that changed since 9/11?
Comment by barfly — April 13, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
For the record, if all the People are killed by terrorists with suitcase nukes, it matters no longer to uphold the Constitution.
Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
And the “list” dies a well deserved death - or do you think I won’t follow you around from thread to thread, posting this?
April 13th, 2007 at 4:55 pm… or the apathetic do nothing but blab attitude that is incredibly prevalent here. Lots of talk, but little if any progressive thinking and certainly no progressive “actionâ€. Are you a bunch of cowards or do you actually believe that engaging in a vile slam fest on those that you label “trolls†is actually doing something?
Comment by Fed the Fcuk Up! — April 13, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
I’m curious, how do you know that the people here do nothing? How do you know that these people take no action? I’m sure there are plenty of posters here taking action, whether it is with supporting out of state candidates or protesting in their cities or towns.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:58 pmI don’t believe I am part of the problem. I think it is every American’s PATRIOTIC DUTY to “muddy the coverage†by our current mainstream press, including most definitely, the treasonous New York Times. Do you think WWII was worth the loss of life and treasure by the FDR 9and especially Truman) Administrations? If not, may I suggest YOU are part of the problem?
Comment by Jake
You’re nuts Jake. Just go away please.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:01 pmActually Jake, I’ve already done it.
Have a nice weekend.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:01 pm– Nanite: I believe that bit about “Rove — crime or not†goes a long ways toward why we disagree whether I am confused or not. Since I think there was no crime disclosing her identity, I’m not confused. Really, I don’t know how much clearer I can make it. Comment by Jake –
you seem intent on muddying the issue about Rove’s treason … Rove signed an oath to keep classified information classified, Plame & Brewser & Jenning’s identity was classified and he violated his oath — despite two years of his lies to the contrary — the nation eventually learned Rove disclosed Plame and Brewster & Jennings to Robert Novak … bottom line is Rove disclosed during wartime the identity of a CIA agent and disclosed her corporate cover, destroying national intelligence assets … you can fan dance around it anyway you like to muddy the issue but if we are ever hit by a terrorist nuclear device, we’ll know that — but for Karl Rove’s actions — it might have been avoided … don’t you find it sad that you feel obliged to defend Rove’s treason?
April 13th, 2007 at 5:03 pmJake, you still don’t address today’s issues. WWII is for the historians to debate and for us americans to honor the fallen. Where’s the gas rationing? You didn’t answer. Where’s the draft? You didn’t answer. Where’s the national sacrifice? You didn’t answer. It’s not a matter of agreeing to disagree, it’s a matter of you ignoring what is going on today.
This thread is stating how the government (remember serving the people) has intentionally lied. That is not serving us.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:12 pmThat’s why he got all *hot* talking about killing people at the NYTimes
Jake did say he has “multiple degrees”.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:13 pmDynah Moe:
I’m not disputing that Plame was covert (for instance, maybe she was “covert” back in 1995 on her second date with Joe Wilson — while he was still married to his second wife Jacqueline — when she revealed her status to him) or that the CIA referred the current matter to DoJ for investigation — however, there has been NO showing that revealing her identity in 2001 was illegal — the “best” you’ve got is Libby being convicted for LYING about it and that will probably get overturned on appeal (or pardoned). Let me see if I can explain it this way: I can reveal the name of our nation’s first CIA agent LEGALLY because he’s dead. That does not matter on what I “believe” or not, right?
April 13th, 2007 at 5:14 pm#88,
I appreciate your civil manner. It is refreshing. I believe that you can answer your own question by pondering the following:
- What is the status of the Iraq invasion (how long has it been going on, how many Iraqis have been murdered, when is the most optimistic end date, etc…)?
- What’s the status of the illegal wiretaps?
- What is the status of New Orleans?
- Has the AUMF been revoked?
- How many here have read the “Patriot Act”, version I and II?
- How many anti-war protests that have occurred in the last two years can you name specifically, without using the internet search engines?
- Provide as many names of service members who have been killed in the Iraq invasion as you can WITHOUT searching the internet first.
- How many American service members died yesterday in Iraq? (once again, without searching the internet)
I could go on, but that should be enough to satisfy your curiousity. Let me know if not.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:15 pm#73 Thanks for your response. I’ll go ahead and put you into the “coward†column. Your country appreciates your “patriotismâ€.
Is that like Jake’s ignore list?
April 13th, 2007 at 5:17 pmNanite:
Let me know if you still have questions after reading my latest post to Dinah Moe. I thought Richard Armitage leaked the name to Novak? Also, did Plame work in North Korea? I thought it was in the Middle East? If a terrorist gets a nuclear device from North Korea, that’s somehow due to Karl Rove’s actions? You’ll have to explain that before I can figure out what “treason” by Rove it is you think I am defending.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:18 pm#95 What is the point of your little list? I don’t see any actual “action” in the list. Some firebrand revolutionary you are.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:21 pmP.S. re: Where’s the draft, gas rationing, national sacrifice — I did answer that above: “It is a testament to our greatness and the strength of our economy that we only needed to increase defense spending a few percent to take care of this war” — where I thought we were agreeing to disagree was whether the execution of this war was any worse than WWII. Let me know.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:21 pm#96,
April 13th, 2007 at 5:24 pmDon’t know. But keep up your apathy and name calling because it seems to be working so well. Here, let me list the successes for you:
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#100 Ok, Fed Up, what exactly do you hope to accomplish by spamming various threads with:
Just for clarification, what is the “progressive†line on how long we are supposed to wait before storming DC and taking this country back? Is it before or after they start raping our teen-aged daughters in the public square and broadcasting it on some reality show sponsored by our friends at WalMart and Exxon/Mobil?
I really am baffled as to what you are proposing.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:28 pm– Nanite: … I thought Richard Armitage leaked the name to Novak? Also, did Plame work in North Korea? I thought it was in the Middle East? If a terrorist gets a nuclear device from North Korea, that’s somehow due to Karl Rove’s actions? You’ll have to explain that before I can figure out what “treason†by Rove it is you think I am defending. Comment by Jake –
Jake: Armitage did leak the Plame’s identity and her corporate cover to Novak. As did Rove. That’s my point … Rove denied for 2 years that he’d leaked Plame’s identity and her corporate cover … then the nation learned he was lying and had disclosed those identities. I’m not limiting the possibility of a nuclear device coming out of the middle east, which Plame was monitoring.
the treason you are defending is this — Karl Rove disclosed during wartime the identity of a CIA agent and her corporate cover, destroying both.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:31 pmIt makes NO DIFFERENCE if Armitage leaked it “first”.
ANYONE who has done so has committed TREASON.
If Rove told ANYONE, even if Armitage did it “first”, TREASON.
So, DID Rove leak Plame’s identity to ANYONE?
If so, he committed TREASON, and needs to be in jail for the rest of his LIFE.
Same for Bush if he AUTHORIZED this TREASON…
April 13th, 2007 at 5:32 pmJake, I’m not sure you understand the questions. The investigation by the CIA was because of an illegal activity. Just because no one has been caught or convicted doesn’t mean there was no crime. Tell that to all the families of victims in unsolved murders. Your logic doesn’t hold.
As for the greatness of our economy isn’t accurately accounting for the money going toward this war because it’s in no official budget. This president puts them in emergency funding and supplementals that are drawn against our debt. It’s waiting there for our kids. That’s more muddying the water and I won’t stand for it.
WWII mobilized this country to fight a common enemy. George Bush sold us fear but no clear objective. Go shopping isn’t a battle cry. My heart goes out to the soldiers and they have been used like pawns to be occupiers. that is not the primary mission of soldiers. And definately not the primary purpose of the National Guard.
You are ignoring all the glaring failures of this current government. Whether you open your eyes or not matters not. Your just being told now that it’s happening.
You can choose the shadows or the real world.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:34 pm#101,
I only posted that question on this thread. The question that I posted on multiple threads (I believe two others) was inquiring where the anti-war protests were going to be this weekend. I received two responses, one pointing me to a site that showed zero events (democrats.com) and one that listed regularly scheduled coffee house gatherings (unitedforpeace.com) but no rallys. Both searches were for the entire United States.
I’m not proposing anything, I’m asking real questions and challenging the status quo that is not only not achieving anything, but is actually enabling the very atrocities that most here would claim to be whole-heartedly against.
Are you unbaffled or do I need to lace the post with profanity and bold type so as to keep your attention?
April 13th, 2007 at 5:38 pm#105 That would be fair if you actually had a plan. But your response about what we should do is something most of us do all the time. Learn about the abuses of power that are going on. You don’t have a plan but you ask TP readers what theirs is. A lot of people here volunteer for campaigns, support causes that are opposed to the Iraq War and the overreach by the executive branch. We write our representatives, we go to rallies. But you come on and demand to know why nobody is doing anything and call anyone that doesn’t respond to your rhetoric cowards. You go as far as to broadcast to every TP reader:
Lots of talk, but little if any progressive thinking and certainly no progressive “actionâ€. Are you a bunch of cowards or do you actually believe that engaging in a vile slam fest on those that you label “trolls†is actually doing something?
All that without knowing ANYTHING about what the people here are actually trying to do about the status quo.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:49 pm# 95 Comment by Fed the Fcuk Up! — April 13, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
FTFU, Everything you mentioned in your post are important points, some I can answer without looking up and some I can’t, but not being able to answer some of those (or even most) of those questions doesn’t mean the progressive/liberal posters here don’t take action. I think one of the main reasons we won in ’06 was because of the netroot response to the disaster that is this administration. I know I gave willingly to candidates running in other states (something I’ve never done before). I also attend protests and candlelight vigils in my area. I think most of us with the time constraints put on us are doing what we can and I can actually say I see progress, it may be slow but it is progress. To vent on a blog or thread about this country’s affairs is a type of therapy, you are “Fed the Fcuk Up†and rightfully so. It gets a little old when at this late date we still have to tell some of these fools that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but in order to get through to these people you have to keep hammering the truth home, once just doesn’t seem to be enough.
April 13th, 2007 at 5:58 pmNanite:
You will have to prove that Rove’s disclosure was at least ILLEGAL before I will agree that it was treason.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:01 pm#106,
Your challenge to my “broadcast” is fair in that you seem to believe that many here are doing a lot. My response to that challenge is this:
- How many, with specific citation of date and place, protests have you attended (more than 10 participants) since the run-up and start of the Iraq invasion?
- What specific ant-war signage do you have on your car or domicile?
I offer these questions to you and open them up to anyone here who would like to respond.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:09 pm#109 Fair enough. But it probably belongs in the ThinkFast thread.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:15 pm#107,
Not to sound insulting, but that is the standard response that has an enormous logic flaw.
You say “it takes time” and request patience. So, how many murdered Iraqis and wasted lives of American soldiers are justifiable for your comfortable patience? Specific numbers please.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:17 pmJust a little help for clarification:
“A CIA lawyer clarified with Waxman that Wilson was undercover, covert, and that her CIA status was classified. The CIA approved the following statements before the hearing:
During her employment at the CIA, Ms. Wilson was under cover.
Her employment status with the CIA was classified information prohibited from disclosure under Executive Order 12958.
At the time of the publication of Robert Novak’s column on July 14,2003, Ms. Wilson’s CIA employment status was covert.
This was classified information. ”
The last time I checked, revealing classified information was illegal.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:20 pmSo Jake, using your logic, if the British had our mainstream media during the Revolutionary war, they would have abandoned the fight. Because see, you st*pid j*ck*ss, we are the British (occupying a foreign territory) in this scenario of Iraq.
If you st*pid theory were true, and seeing a country get bloodied would end the war, the the Iraqis have been demoralized on their own television so much they would have given up.
Or are you claiming that Americans are weak, and incapable compared to other countries? You hardly print the words of a *patriot*, you cowardly piece of lying sh*t.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:20 pm#110,
April 13th, 2007 at 6:20 pmRelegated to the “back burner” of blogdom. How progressive indeed.
#111 Not to sound insulting, but that is the standard response that has an enormous logic flaw.
You say “it takes time†and request patience. So, how many murdered Iraqis and wasted lives of American soldiers are justifiable for your comfortable patience? Specific numbers please.
Fed Up. That was incredibly condescending and out of order. We are working within the system. Unless we are criminals (like BushCo) that is how it is done. That is not a logic flaw, it is reality.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:23 pmNanite: You will have to prove that Rove’s disclosure was at least ILLEGAL before I will agree that it was treason. Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
You have to prove it wasn’t considering the federal laws as they exist.
Sorry Jake, but you clowns are a bunch of unpatriotic terrorists that talk about blowing up buildings and cities (O’Reilly and San Francisco).
You’re nothing more than Treasonous terrorists - you especially - COWARD!
April 13th, 2007 at 6:23 pm#114 Ok, I am done with your whining. You do nothing but put a bumper sticker on your car and suddenly you are Che Guevara with an enormous ego.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:24 pmFor the record, innocent until proven guilty (unless you are deemed a terrorist, of course ; )
April 13th, 2007 at 6:32 pm#115,
If “working within the system” allows for the continuation of acknowledged MURDER and genocide while, without any personal sacrifice whatsoever, the issue is discussed without threat of violence or discomfort (comfortable patience), then I would have to think that you are not using the system correctly or that the system should be scrapped.
Sit there and watch your wife or daughter get raped while you call 911 and get placed on hold for 20 minutes. “Hold on a little while longer honey, I’m working the system.” There is your logic flaw in a grotesque example, but shockingly not as grotesque as the reality that you currently accept and ask me to accept.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:34 pm#111…So, how many murdered Iraqis and wasted lives of American soldiers are justifiable for your comfortable patience? Specific numbers please.
Comment by Fed the Fcuk Up! — April 13, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
None, now what else do you want from me specifically?
Try this: http://www.worldcantwait.net/
April 13th, 2007 at 6:39 pm#115,
And by the way, here is a perfectly legal, non-violent solution that would be a hundred thousand times more successful (if not more) than “working the system†as you currently suggest – go on strike. Do not go to work or purchase any non-essential products until the Iraq atrocity is stopped completely.
If only 10% of the US work force engaged in this peaceful protest, the Iraq “war†would end in a week. It would not be “comfortableâ€, though, and actually involves some risk (albeit only financial) which is why it scares the crap out of most here.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:40 pm#
For the record, innocent until proven guilty (unless you are deemed a terrorist, of course ; )
Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
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Unless you’re a Navy veteran like Donald Vance.
April 13th, 2007 at 6:40 pm#120,
April 13th, 2007 at 6:44 pmI refer you to my suggestion in #121.
# 123 I refer you to my suggestion in #121.
Comment by Fed the Fcuk Up! — April 13, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
That would only work if *enough people* were willing to lose their jobs, sacrifice their children and go into bankruptcy… and no, I’m not willing to do that. My taxes are already being spent in Iraq. A little reality on your part would be nice. Period.
April 13th, 2007 at 7:03 pm#124,
Of course not, that’s my point. So you lied to me when you said no amount of murdered Iraqis or wasted lives of American service members were acceptable to you. The reality is, as per your own admission, an infinite number of such (at least up to the total population numbers) are acceptable to you. Even if the ONLY sacrifice that you, personally, had to make was the non-accumulation of green pieces of paper.
I hope that you seriously ponder what I just said. Look into your wallet and actually touch those small pieces of green paper that you value more than the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi children, women, and men and the lives of thousands of your own countrymen.
April 13th, 2007 at 7:24 pmFor the record, innocent until proven guilty (unless you are deemed a terrorist, of course ; ) Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
Then you’re guilty by your definition, because you called for blowing up the NYTimes building today - a clear act of terrorism. Thanks for clearing that up - terrorist boy ;)
April 13th, 2007 at 7:41 pmFor the record, I did not “call for blowing up the NYTimes building” and (last time I checked) The President of the United States has not deemed me a terrorist regardless.
April 13th, 2007 at 7:46 pm– Nanite: You will have to prove that Rove’s disclosure was at least ILLEGAL before I will agree that it was treason. Comment by Jake —
this is progress, Jake. Ok, what would you call a White House staffer who disclosed during wartime the identity of a CIA and her CIA corporate cover ?
April 13th, 2007 at 7:49 pm# 125 With all the rhetoric you’re espousing I suppose you’ll furnish me with the address to the website you’ve created (from your non-job) for the coup d’etat you’re planning. If it’s not up and running let me know when it will be and I’ll give what I can to the cause.
April 13th, 2007 at 7:55 pmFor the record, I did not “call for blowing up the NYTimes building†and (last time I checked) The President of the United States has not deemed me a terrorist regardless. Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
Still an act of terrorism - no matter who *labels* it. We used to call Al Qaeda freedom fighters, but they were still terrorists. You know Jake, your GOD bush isn’t the only person who can point out someone is a terrorist.
You’re just the st*pidest little trailer trash in the trailer court aren’t you?
April 13th, 2007 at 8:00 pmNanite:
If it was LEGAL, I wouldn’t necessarily call that staffer anything untoward. What would you call it IF IT WAS LEGAL?
April 13th, 2007 at 8:04 pmWhat would you call it IF IT WAS LEGAL?
Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 8:04 pm
This point would be worth debating with you, if you hadn’t decided that the Constitution is no longer operational.
Since it isn’t, “guilty until proven innocent” and any other discussion on legal aspects are irrelevant.
You really need to make up your mind. Or put down the bong. Or both.
April 13th, 2007 at 8:06 pmIf it was LEGAL, I wouldn’t necessarily call that staffer anything untoward. What would you call it IF IT WAS LEGAL? Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 8:04 pm
You know, Hitler made it legal under German law to exterminate the Jews. I’m glad to see you’ve adopted his strategy in your ‘defense’ of the Republicans you claim not to be a member of.
You know Jake, the difference here, is that we haven’t yet shredded the constitution, despite efforts from you and your Federalist buddies to do so.
April 13th, 2007 at 8:22 pmFor the record, Jake (the dumb as a doorknob troll), if the government were trying to protect the people, the first thing they would need to do is to set the record straight -not muddy the coverage.
Also, all comparisons to WWII are invalid in this case, because we are talking about the dismissal of the US attorneys which the Bush administration has never claimed to be part of the “global war on terror”. Even if they had, establishing parallels to WWII would still be specious at best.
In short, Jake (the proven liar troll), you have no leg to stand on. You are trying to “debate” armed with half-truths, outright lies, and pure sophistry.
April 13th, 2007 at 8:23 pmGregor, the latest is Jake claims to have been in military intel, yet this conflicts with his previous ‘military’ bio. Sounds like we have another troll bio meltdown! It’s a valiant venus Anorexia moment all over again.
April 13th, 2007 at 8:37 pmVVGFU,
Since we caught him in a lie about his religious denomination, Jake has abandoned all pretenses of being rational.
His defence of the Bush administration is more and more detached from reality as time goes by.
He is coming apart before our very eyes. A true 30% in collision course with reality. Such a sad spectacle.
April 13th, 2007 at 8:47 pmFor the record, the FAKE Jake posted I was Catholic, which I am not. I am not sure what “previous military bio” has been posted now that conflicts with me being in Army intelligence, but I’m sure I will come across that soon enough as well.
God Bless.
April 13th, 2007 at 9:03 pmFor the record, the FAKE Jake posted I was Catholic, which I am not. I am not sure what “previous military bio†has been posted now that conflicts with me being in Army intelligence, but I’m sure I will come across that soon enough as well. God Bless. Comment by Jake — April 13, 2007 @ 9:03 pm
BAHAHAHA, more lies. Jake got caught, now he flounders like a fried fish.
Jake, give it up. You are no ‘christian’, heck you aren’t even a ‘man’. You’re a cowardly terrorist child, who’s idea of ‘blessing’ people is ‘war’.
You’re a sick psycho that should have your hands strapped behind you in a straight jacket. People like you are the source of the pestilence on this planet. Do us all a favor, and check yourself into the nearest mental hospital - PRONTO!
April 13th, 2007 at 9:27 pmDoes anyone else get the feeling that Fed the Fcuk Up! took over while Jake went on break?
April 13th, 2007 at 11:38 pmDoing a very good impersonation of a troll changing the subject.
I might be wrong.
Muddying the coverage as it were…
April 13th, 2007 at 11:39 pmIn fact, check this out: I just found this down on the Bush Knew Nothing About the Surge thread:
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Hey, where’s the anti-war movement’s protest going to be this weekend? Comment by Fed the Fcuk Up! — April 13, 2007 @ 2:23 pm
At your mom’s house, but you probably didn’t understand her, because my man juice was gurgling in the back of her throat.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — April 13, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
Now, those of us who know our Spudgy know that he doesn’t usually take a dislike to someone without there being a fine reason.
I say it’s a troll.
April 13th, 2007 at 11:46 pm#141 I don’t know if he is a troll or just incredibly hypocritical and misguided.
April 13th, 2007 at 11:49 pm#7 - Those are the words of a traitor to America. I mean you, Jake. The guarantee of a free press and transparency in government are two of the most important building blocks of a democracy.
Why do you hate America?
April 14th, 2007 at 5:00 am[…] Think Progress Right now the coverage will be dominated by how qualified these folks were and their theories for their dismissals. We are trying to muddy the coverage up a bit by trying to put the focus on the process in which they were told — I suspect we are going to get to the point where DOJ has to say this anyway. First, it is true. Second, we are having morale problems with our other U.S. attorneys who understand the decision but think that these folks were not treated well in the process. […]
April 14th, 2007 at 11:19 pmJake and the other character could very well be one in the same person. But it is heartening that most of the comments are against his inflammatory, out of touch with reality spouting and not the other way around. I was on a blog leading up to the last presidential election. Jake et al are symptomatic of those who had such a narrow view of the world and who used name-calling and basically lack of knowledge about the issue tactics (if you want to go so far as to give the benefit of the doubt that tactic accurately describes what they’re doing). It just comes down to hate and lack of caring for one’s fellow human being. To the point of this thread, muddying the coverage is sort of a quaint description of what the Bush Administration is really all about. The whole bunch needs to be dragged off to jail - after due process, of course. Rove accidentally deleted emails? Gonzales may have made some mistakes? Bush acknowledges that Congress is within their authority, constitutionally speaking? Woflowitz strong-armed his girlfriend into a cushy job that, with pay increases, could be making $245,000 in a short time? Not to mention he is totally inexperienced to lead the WORLD BANK! He, after all, was the architect to invade Iraq and the one who said: We need something big, like a Pearl Harbor, to get the will of the people to invade Iraq. My father was at Pearl Harbor when it was bombed. This bumb did not and does not have any consideration for American lives. By the way, we did get our big thing: 9/11. Gee, wonder who was responsible for that?
April 16th, 2007 at 2:32 pm