Webb: McCain Is Consistently ‘Impugning People’s Patriotism’ And ‘Hiding Behind The Troops’
Webb: McCain Is Consistently ‘Impugning People’s Patriotism’ And ‘Hiding Behind The Troops’
During his major Iraq speech last week, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) smeared congressional leaders who won the passage of legislation setting a timeline for withdrawal. “What were they celebrating? Defeat? Surrender? In Iraq, only our enemies were cheering.”
Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA), a former Marine and decorated combat veteran, responded aggressively to McCain’s comments during an interview with Bloomberg television:
I’m disappointed in John McCain. I’ve known him for many years. The day before we begin the debate on the Iraq bills, he pulled me aside on the Senate floor and said, Jim, we do not want the situation we had in the Vietnam War. We do not want one side impugning the patriotism of the other side, and John McCain has been doing this consistently since that time. I don’t believe that it is in anybody’s interest for members of the Senate to be impugning the other side’s patriotism, or by the way, to be hiding behind the troops as political justification for what we’re doing.
Watch it:
Transcript:
BLOOMBERG: Senator, in a speech this week at VMI, in your state, Senator John McCain gave an impassioned defense of the Iraq war and he criticized congressional Democrats for playing politics with the war. And he lashed at those, he said cheered when the legislation setting the deadline passed, and I want to quote him. “What were they celebrating? Defeat? Surrender? In Iraq, only our enemies were cheering.” Pretty tough stuff.
WEBB: I’m disappointed in John McCain. I’ve known him for many years. The day before we begin the debate on the Iraq bills, he pulled me aside on the Senate floor and said, Jim, we do not want the situation we had in the Vietnam War. We do not want one side impugning the patriotism of the other side, and John McCain has been doing this consistently since that time. I don’t believe that it is in anybody’s interest for members of the Senate to be impugning the other side’s patriotism, or by the way, to be hiding behind the troops as political justification for what we’re doing.
BLOOMBERG: And you think he’s doing that?
WEBB: I think that John McCain and others have been doing that, and I’m very disappointed in it.
BLOOMBERG: Do you think he’s playing politics?
WEBB: I, you know, I think that John McCain has been impugning people’s patriotism and I really regret that he’s doing that.
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Freedom is on the march, just march around the bodies, please.
April 14th, 2007 at 6:29 pmNice to know that the surge is working.
April 14th, 2007 at 6:33 pmIf I were to simply point out that the surge is not working, would Bush cultists accuse me of celebrating Bush’s failure? Bill Mahr said it very well: “If I’ve got a rat problem and I call the exterminator, and if that guy gets out a claw hammer and just starts running around trying to smash the rats, and I say, maybe there’s a better way, that doesn’t mean I’m for the rats”
April 14th, 2007 at 6:35 pmIt’s just that one bombing a day that Laura Bush tells us is discouraging people. No worries….
April 14th, 2007 at 6:39 pmThis is safer than my home town of Mayberry!
C’mon Barney, get yer bullet theres sum insurgents to be shot!
April 14th, 2007 at 6:43 pmBut Jim, please understand, McCain is just Karl Rove’s marionette these days.
April 14th, 2007 at 7:25 pmWe can’t be advocating defeat if no one will say what victory is.
April 14th, 2007 at 7:33 pmHow long will it be before TP’s trolls start impugning Webb’s patriotism?
April 14th, 2007 at 7:46 pmWOW!
From the article:
“WEBB: I, you know, I think that John McCain has been impugning people’s patriotism and I really regret that he’s doing that.”
There is a strong lesson here in how to tell the hard hitting truth while not leaving any hooks that the opposition can grab onto. Think about that. What argument could be made against these words and still both look and feel real? This kind of response will leave you speechless!
April 14th, 2007 at 8:05 pmThere is no denigration apparent here. No in your face anger or sarcasm. Just a powerful message of truth while accepting the reality of a sad situation that he can do nothing about. He then states his sadness (not anger) of that sad reality!
Absolutely beautiful!!! He is a rising star who will be heard from more and more as he gains tenure in the Senate.
MCCAIN SO
SO
DOG
GONE
CORRUPTED
IT’S ENOUGH TO MAKE EVERYONE PUKE
SUPPORTS IMMIGRATION FOR JOBS AMERICANS WON’T DO
DISAPPOINTED WITH BLOGGERS SPEAKING UP
CLAIMS IRAQ IS PERFECTLY SAFE
SINCE MCCAIN LIKES TO LOOK AT BLOGGERS, I’M GOING TO HAVE
TO TONE IT DOWN HERE
BUT MCCAIN SURE INDEED WITH A PUBLIC SERVANT ALL RIGHT
April 14th, 2007 at 8:12 pmMerlin sez:
Indeed. Let’s just hope he manages to keep AIPAC’s hooks out of his flesh…
April 14th, 2007 at 8:23 pmI am so sick and tired of this whole argument. There is nothing in Iraq to win, unless you are a Republic Neocon who will think they have won once the Iraq parliament signs the bill that will give US and British companies 70% of their oil profits for 30 years. It is the only “win” possible and the only people who will win are the oil companies and it’s shareholders. The people of Iraq certainly will not “win” with a deal like that. Bush and McCain will never talk about leaving Iraq until that bill is signed. They don’t care how many of our military have to die for oil. They are men without conscience and without a soul. There is a special place in hell waiting for them when their time comes.
April 14th, 2007 at 8:24 pmBut Jim, please understand, McCain is just Karl Rove’s marionette these days.
Comment by VerbalKint — April 14, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
So many of these guys are Rove’s marionettes you have to wonder if they’re not all blackmailed.
It would take only a couple of them to stand up and bravely say, this is the truth and I don’t care what they say about me. Apparently there aren’t any Republicans brave or patriotic enough to say they’ve had enough. None of them will stand up to the administration or even cast a vote against the party line.
I’ve never seen a President so totally disregard the wishes of the voters of the opposing party like Bush and that would be scary enough but EVERY Republican congressman totally supports whatever the administration wants.
It’s obvious they don’t care about America only their own power.
April 14th, 2007 at 8:44 pmIf only they could find someone it Iraq who would be willing to surrender to the U.S. then everything would be just peachy-keen, hunky-dorey.
April 14th, 2007 at 8:59 pmI hope that jusy maybe George will read this thread or post, or perhaps an aide and show this to him. I want to appeal to Georges rational side and I thnk that Karl Rove, a smart man if not a genius, and a political wizard of words, catchisms, phrases and talking points has become a detriment to Georges legacy. I have had best friends thru-out my life and I care deeply about them, but there always came the time that I simply could not agree with, nor cover for them.
The political environment during these last 6 years has become very divisive and spiteful. No longer are elections won by a persons good deeds or the virtue. Today they are won thru smear campaigns and complete fabrications and twisting of the truth. It is unfortunate that we as Americans who embrace truth and freedom as subjected to months and years of little lies and expensive and complex smear campaigns aided and abetted by the media.
President Bush, please take a moment to look past your personal friendship for the good of the Nation and to bring back respect for the office of the United States. Who knows when this all started, Maybe with Nixon, Maybe with Clintons affairs. Really it doesn’t matter who or when. I feel it’s time to stop this blame game and heal America instead of working to divide it during a time of conflict and worldwide unrest and change.
April 14th, 2007 at 9:14 pmFrom the article McBush says:
“What were they celebrating? Defeat? Surrender? In Iraq, only our enemies were cheering.â€
Can you smell the desperation here, folks? He knows the situation is nothing but devastation in Iraq. He served honorably in the Viet Nam era, and has truly experienced the reality of war. He knows what is going on, folks! He really knows what is going on.
He is not, as some would say, unaware. He understands completely, in my view. He made the conscious choice to sacrifice his understanding of reality, for political expediency.
And so, he really does know he lost his gambit in promoting the surge, and choosing his sharp veer to the right to suckle at the anus of the Evangelical right wingnuts. Kissing Bush’s ring after being smeared by him in 2000 was a choice that he feels he can not now reverse. He read the political winds at that time, and believed the wave of the future was the way of the neo-cons, and now he is twisting in the wind.
So, what is McBush to do in a situation like this, where he finds himself 180 degrees out of line with reality both politically and personally? Sadly he has, (again,) chosen consciously, to “stay the course” through a phony denial of the reality he sees and knows to exist.
It reminds me of the joke where the husband and his lover are in bed and the wife is pissed having discovered them making love. The conversation that has transpired is missing, and only the man’s response is stated. He says to his wife, “Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?”
And that is the question McBush (as well as the rest of this lying neocon cabal) is asking us as we stand at the foot of his political bed. “Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?”
Expect the desperate flailing to continue until he has to bow out of the race. I hope we all can stand the stench that a rotting politician gives off. On the right there are pungent smells coming from a bunch of them.
Pride goeth before the fall!
April 14th, 2007 at 9:16 pmLISTEN DUDE :)
IN MY BOOK
BUSH
CHENEY
ROVE
MCCAIN
ABRAMHOFF
FRIST
DELAY
DUDE — ALL YOU DO IS NEED TO DO IS LOOK AT CREW TO FIND OUT
WHO IS TOTALLY CORRUPTED
SUCH
A
DOG
GONE
SHORT
ATTENTION SPAN BECAUSE
TOO MANY PEOPLE LINING THEIR POCKETS
THAT IS INSTEAD OF SERVING US
THEY ARE GETTING LEGAL BRIBES
PICK UP THE TRUSTY PHONE…. AND A NEW ROLLS ROYCE OR YACHT
NO WAY………..
MCCAIN IS
FAST TALKING
SMOOTH TALKING
SLICK TALKING
MCCAIN I’M NOT SURE IF CREW HAS BUSTED HIM YET
BUT LOOK AT ALL THE PARASITES/LEECHES CREW HAS EXPOSED
ENOUGH
TO
MAKE
EVERYONE PUKE THEM OUT OF OFFICE, BUT YOU CAN’T DUDE
IT’S
RIGGED
DUDE - TOTALLY CORRUPTED AND RIGGED
WITH A BUNCH OF PARASITES/LEECHES (POLTICAL)
April 14th, 2007 at 9:26 pmThis Webb is traitor scum like the rest of the Dummycrats. He doesn’t know the first thing about war. He needs to STFU.
April 14th, 2007 at 9:33 pm18 - pray tell, what is the first thing about war?
April 14th, 2007 at 9:37 pm#18
LISTEN DUDE, ANYONE WHO SO CALLED SERVES THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE THEN BECOMES A TWO FACED AGENDA
SHOULD IMMEDIATELY BECOME A ETHICS ISSUE
AND TOLD JUST GO HOME AND DONOT COME BACK TO WORK –
FOR STARTERS WE COULD INCLUDE
BUSH, CHENEY, MUTRTHA, JEFFERSON, ROVE, GONZALES, ALL WE DO
IS TAKE A LOOK AT CREW
AND EVERYONE OF THEM, GO HOME AND DON’T COME BACK
IN MY BOOK, THOSE THINGS ARE POLITICAL…. SHHHHH… MCCAIN
April 14th, 2007 at 9:39 pmAND BLOGS SHHH ,
No. 15. You are a lovely person Zep Tepi. Your nurturing side is beautiful, and I would guess you don’t have a mean bone in your body. And I say that sincerely, with admiration and love.
That agreed to, it should be understood that there is a difference between what we want and wish for, and what is really going on, (otherwise known as reality.)
You believe, mistakenly in my view, that Georgie is basically a good man who just needs to see the errors of his ways and all will be OK. That he has in fact a “rational side” to appeal to. If only he would just listen, you believe. Very, very, sadly this is not the case.
Would you use this approach, stated in your post, to a murderer or serial killer? (Note to trolls: I am not calling Bush these things, it is an analogy.) I think not. No appeal to the presumed good side of an amoral person will have any effect. And in my view the people connected with BushCo are definitely amoral, regardless of how many Bible verses they spout. There is no possibility of fruitful bipartisan dialog that will happen. The only solution is to get Bushco out of any position where they can do any harm. Out of office and, where warranted, into prison.
Impeachment would be best but probably won’t happen. But 2008 is just around the corner and the new broom will sweep the bums out.
April 14th, 2007 at 9:43 pmA 1968 graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, Webb was a Marine Corps infantry officer until 1972, and is a highly decorated Vietnam War combat veteran. During his four years with the Reagan administration, Webb served as the first Assistant Secretary of Defense for Reserve Affairs, then as Secretary of the Navy.
April 14th, 2007 at 9:59 pmThis Webb is traitor scum like the rest of the Dummycrats. He doesn’t know the first thing about war. He needs to STFU.
Comment by firehead
And you do? As I recall it was the Republicans who started this Iraqi Freedom operation, Shaha Riza was part of the Iraqi Foundation that Condi and Bremer signed onto. It was the Republicans who wanted to bring Democracy and freedom to the people you now call terrorists. It was a UN/US resolution to that allowed the use of force to enforce said resolutions. It was PNAC that wanted a regime change in Iraq long before the WMD lies hit the media. It was Saudi Hijackers not Iraqi Hijackers.
You, as always, Firehead, make inflammatory remarks based on what know to be misinformation and lies and you never make any substantial points or are able to debate.
This has never been declared a war. This ‘war’ was called Operation Iraqi Freedom. If you look around the world this neo-liberal neo-con plan to democratize Iraq has undermined the global war on terror. Billions of your tax dollars are going to rebuild a terrorist [as you say] country.
Really Firehead use your head for thinking instead of ‘fire’.
April 14th, 2007 at 10:00 pmFirehead, @18
April 14th, 2007 at 10:02 pmToo bad someone didn’t call the fire dept before whatever you used to use for brains had burnt to a cinder. Jim Webb knows as much as — if not more than — McCain, about war and its consequences. And, unlike McCaca, he has enough of a sense of honor not to spend his life boot-licking and ass-kissing.
It would appear firehead has been soundly kicked in his deadhead
April 14th, 2007 at 10:07 pmDuring his four years with the Reagan administration, Webb served as the first Assistant Secretary of Defense for Reserve Affairs, then as Secretary of the Navy. Comment by leftcoast
So Firehead your calling a patriot scum? A guy who worked under the Republican hero Reagan? A guy who was Sec. Of the Navy?
Do you even google the persons name your about to lambast with your inane remarks before you smear a patriot Firehead?, or did you just see the word ‘Democrat’ and repeat the pundit class of shills modus operandi of lies and smear?
+ = = = = = = = = = = = = +
It would appear firehead has been soundly kicked in his deadhead
Comment by leftcoast
Indeed, but he will be back no matter how many times he’s proven wrong. Firehead, for all his efforts, has become a detriment to his party. Heckuva job Firehead.
April 14th, 2007 at 10:14 pmNo. 15. You are a lovely person Zep Tepi. Your nurturing side is beautiful, and I would guess you don’t have a mean bone in your body. And I say that sincerely, with admiration and love.
That agreed to, it should be understood that there is a difference between what we want and wish for, and what is really going on, (otherwise known as reality.)
You believe, mistakenly in my view, that Georgie is basically a good man who just needs to see the errors of his ways and all will be OK. That he has in fact a “rational side” to appeal to. If only he would just listen, you believe. Very, very, sadly this is not the case.
Would you use this approach, stated in your post, to a murderer or serial killer? (Note to trolls: I am not calling Bush these things, it is an analogy.) I think not. No appeal to the presumed good side of an amoral person will have any effect. And in my view the people connected with BushCo are definitely amoral, regardless of how many Bible verses they spout. There is no possibility of fruitful bipartisan dialog that will happen. BushCo is Machiavellian by philosophy. Everything that is being done, is done with malice a forethought, on purpose for a reason. It is not based on loyalty, misunderstanding or “correctable” errors. Bush is not some errant little boy that just needs a talking to, unfortunately. Handcuffs would be a better choice.
The only solution is to get Bushco out of any position where they can do any harm. Out of office and, where warranted, into prison. Impeachment would be best but probably won’t happen.
April 14th, 2007 at 10:18 pmBut, on the bright side, 2008 is just around the corner and the new broom will sweep the bums out.
You’ve got to check out this tell-all interview by a senior, veteran Justice Department official on the non-partisan Law.com site:
http://www.law.com/ servlet/ ContentServer?pagename=OpenMarket/ Xcelerate/ View&c=LawArticle&cid=1176455062969&t=LawArticle
My favorite excerpt proving, from someone who has experienced it all firsthand and really knows, that Republicans are more corrupt than Democrats. Like we needed someone to tell us this after Nixon, Reagan (record smashing 29 convicted criminals in his Administration), Bush Sr. (pardoned Cap Weinberger and five others because their testimony under oath showed Daddy Bush himself was right in the middle of the Iran Contra scandal), and of course Baby Bush (2 convicted criminals so far and counting, and a ton of cronyism and corruption).
April 14th, 2007 at 10:20 pmCan’t believe they still let Rove out!
http://www.komoradio.com/news/local/7029367.html
April 14th, 2007 at 10:42 pmNo. 18. Jimbo
Please undo the “Caps Lock” on your keyboard. You are screaming at everybody. Use Caps and Bold letters sparingly, and only when you want to emphasize something.
Thanks
April 14th, 2007 at 10:43 pmoh dude/dudette…
sorry about that
just sometimes
these political parasites/leeches
that should just go home instead of hosing us….
kind of freaks me out –
now… i took some chill pills and i’m chillin out dude :)
April 14th, 2007 at 10:51 pmoh dude/dudette…
sorry about that
just sometimes
these political parasites/leeches
that should just go home instead of hosing us….
kind of freaks me out –
now… i took some chill pills and i’m chillin out dude/dudettes :)
April 14th, 2007 at 10:52 pmThat’s heavenly awesome, Jimbo. Thanks.
April 14th, 2007 at 10:56 pmThis Webb is traitor scum like the rest of the Dummycrats. He doesn’t know the first thing about war. He needs to STFU.
Actually, Webb is a PATRIOT, and was Secretary of Defense for TRAITOR Reagan.
Bush, on the other hand is an AWOL coward, and Cheney has 5 draft deferments.
BOTH are TRAITORS to the USA.
YOU need to STFU and stop licking the azzholes of these Nazi coxucker PUNKS.
God Bless America, the Democrats, SUBPOENAS and the WORLD!
April 14th, 2007 at 11:04 pmSorry for the double post folks. (No. 34 & 36). It took 5 tries to get it to appear, and then it did it twice. Maybe the other 3 will show up soon.
As they say, “Film at eleven.”
April 14th, 2007 at 11:24 pmMcCain is all over the map every day. He will will do or say anything he must do or say at any particular time depending on the situation at hand. He served and suffered honorably in Veitnam, but he has overleveraged the value of that experience. He is not of fit mind to be a Senator - much less President. I feel for him because he wants the Pesidency so badly, but he only damages his public image by continuing his campaign for the office.
April 14th, 2007 at 11:28 pmTHE FIRST THING ABOUT WAR:
Sun Tzu said:
From this it is obvious that Bush doesn’t know the first thing about war. While others predicted the situation we are in, Bush ignored them. The only ones who have profited from this war have lined their pockets with gold while other people’s children die. America is for the poorer because of this war. Yet still, the ignorant follow their leader, even to their own doom, all the while singing His praises.
April 14th, 2007 at 11:30 pmLOL
April 14th, 2007 at 11:34 pmComment by Merlin — April 14, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
Well, they’re all gone now, but I read them when they were here. Merlin, who ever you are, thank you for your comments.
Namaste.
April 14th, 2007 at 11:38 pmYou believe, I assume from your post, and mistakenly in my view, that Georgie is basically a good man who just needs to see the errors of his ways and all will be OK. That he has in fact a “rational side†to appeal to. If only he would just listen, you believe. Very, very, sadly this is not the case. -Merlin
Okay, you may have a point. But Karl is not gonna go anywhere until George thinks he’s a detriment to his legacy.
As far as George being impeached for this war I don’t think that will happen as most of congress voted for the resolution to use force and they simply won’t be able to impeach him. Thru history, nearly, if not all, Presidents have invoked war or some police action that killed many people.
Appealing to someones rational does not mean that I agree with them or necessarily think they are a good person. A serial murder as well rationalizes his actions one way or another and rationalizing with serial murders is not appeasing them but trying to find out what they are thinking so one can find and stop such murderous actions.
Thanks for the compliments, but I’m not irrational enough to beg for them to listen but to appeal to their desires or Ideology and USE that to promote change. =)
April 14th, 2007 at 11:42 pm#37 - Briseadh na Faire
I agree. Very kind. Too bad it’s gone, it would be nice if Zep could see it. Thanks, Merlin.
April 14th, 2007 at 11:43 pmI agree. Very kind. Too bad it’s gone, it would be nice if Zep could see it. Thanks, Merlin. Comment by Zooey
If your speaking of Merlins post I read it. I have never said George is a good man. Simply trying to point out that Rove is harming his legacy and should be let go. While Merlin makes some good points even mass murders rationalize their crimes. But hey if you guys want to act like them because thats the only way to cure them, be my guest, but remeber that you then become them.
As for thinking that they would control anyone because of appealing to their rational is, I think, not true. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
April 14th, 2007 at 11:59 pmWell, I guess Zep saw it! :)
April 15th, 2007 at 12:02 amIf your speaking of Merlins post I read it. I have never said George is a good man. Simply trying to point out that Rove is harming his legacy and should be let go.
Comment by Zep Tepi
I just thought Merlin said some very kind things about you — personally — aside from the Bush stuff. ;)
April 15th, 2007 at 12:11 amHow many times has engaging in a name calling contest ever cause a troll to think or to stop them from trolling?
I remember when IRI trolled here regularily and made many obnoxious and spiteful remarks. He wasn’t a very good person, but engaging in name calling only works to inflame the little trollips. It’s what pundits do. It’s what Rush does.
To rationalize with them is not pandering to them it defuses and debunks them. A blog that is full of name calling and hateful words is not informative or fun to read. It’s like watching Jerry Springer.
April 15th, 2007 at 12:11 amWell, I guess Zep saw it! :)
Comment by Zooey
Helo Zooey, How are you?
Yes, I did. Basically he said I should in engage in bad behavior to beat bad behavior. I appreciate his kind comments and kind words.
April 15th, 2007 at 12:17 amBut I am not a softy by any means. Acting like a neo-kook to defeat a neo-kook, to me, is counter-productive.
Zep,
Funny you should mention engaging trolls. I decided this afternoon that I will no longer engage MA/VV, for any reason. Like you said, it does no good, and it stresses me out.
You have one convert!
BTW, is anyone else having problems posting comments? It takes frickin’ forever! Maybe that’s why it’s so quiet around here this evening.
April 15th, 2007 at 12:24 amI just thought Merlin said some very kind things about you — personally — aside from the Bush stuff. ;)
Comment by Zooey
Yes he did, I thanked him for the compliments and kind words at post@11:42 It was a well thought out post and I’m not sure why TP filter fairy scrubbed it.
Ennyhooo,Sorry for several posts on the same subject in response to Merlin but TP is being very slow to post tonite (at least for me)
April 15th, 2007 at 12:29 amComment by Jimbo — April 14, 2007 @ 10:52 pm
It’s all good, Jimbo.
April 15th, 2007 at 12:30 amHey Zep,
I have a bit of a cold, but otherwise good. Been studying all day for a Social Problems exam.
How about you?
April 15th, 2007 at 12:30 amHow about you?
Comment by Zooey
I’m good went with step-father and talked about politics and airplanes He doesn’t like to talk politics with people because it leads to arguments =)
So I put some rational on him (he listens to Rush and Imus) and I didn’t have to beat him over the head with a beer bottle and call him names!
Kidding.
Hope you feel better soon Zooey and do well with your social problems X-am
April 15th, 2007 at 12:39 amZep,
It’s always a plus when you don’t have to whack someone with a beer bottle. No name-calling is just the cherry on top. :)
April 15th, 2007 at 12:46 amALERT! If you want to make fun of firehead’s empty words, then you must do so before he posts a message in any thread. He has a predictable pattern of posting one message out of every 1 out of 4 or 5 threads per day, and then he’ll never post again in that thread. Responding to his posts is useless, so whenever there’s a new thread, just easily win the argument against him BEFORE he posts.
Peace out!
April 15th, 2007 at 12:52 amI have a bit of a cold, but otherwise good. Been studying all day for a Social Problems exam.
How about you?
Comment by Zooey — April 15, 2007 @ 12:30 am
Zooey hope you’re feeling better soon.
My daughter lost her election for student council president. Unfortunately three 7th graders split the vote and a 6th grader won. She is hearbroken but I think in the end she’ll have learned a valuable lesson about elections as will the other 7th graders. One 7th grad boy who wasn’t eligible to run thought it would be funny to have people write his name in. Now when they are in 8th grade some 7th grader will be president.
I’ve always felt that the Ralph Nader and Jessie Jackson, who took votes from the Democrats and gave the election to Republicans were unfair to the people who supported them because they ended up with the worst candidate for them.
I think it’s important that people work together to get the representative who best represents their ideas instead of waiting for the perfect candidate. I just hope whoever gets the nomination we all work together to make sure there is not another Bush-like president for a long time.
I also hope that every now and then you give vv hell. Although her alter ego vv…. handles her extremely well.
April 15th, 2007 at 12:55 amShane,
I’m sorry to hear about your daughter’s loss. It certainly is a good lesson on how splitting the vote hurts the cause. She’ll know just how to handle her next election. :)
If we get another Republican assh*le in the White House in 2008, I’ll seriously consider leaving this country. We just can’t sustain another 4-8 years of “conservatism.”
April 15th, 2007 at 1:01 amZep Tepi - what does “zep tepi” mean?
April 15th, 2007 at 1:05 amNo. 51. Bob said:
Very good observation, Bob. And doing that sooo defeats his purpose! That of disrupting the thread.
April 15th, 2007 at 1:21 amhttp://www.crystalinks.com/zeptepi.html
April 15th, 2007 at 1:27 amIf we get another Republican assh*le in the White House in 2008, I’ll seriously consider leaving this country. We just can’t sustain another 4-8 years of “conservatism.â€
Comment by Zooey — April 15, 2007 @ 1:01 am
My daughter already talks about moving to Canada. Of course we go fishing on vacation there so she probably thinks every day would be on a lake. But really we’re all barely going to make it until the end of Bush’s term. If the Republicans steal another election then we’ll know our country is lost.
April 15th, 2007 at 1:28 amT.P.
Would you please fix the problems with your site.
April 15th, 2007 at 1:41 amGggrrrr…..
But really we’re all barely going to make it until the end of Bush’s term. If the Republicans steal another election then we’ll know our country is lost.
Comment by Shane
I’m just so tired of being angry and disappointed at the way this country does things, and the way we’re seen by the rest of the world. Our government is criminal, and why is that ok with 29% of the people? I just don’t get it. I’d have to move to New Zealand. I love the mountains, and the men sometimes wear kilts. :-)
April 15th, 2007 at 1:43 amI had gone thru a strange series of events BNF. Nothing is something. I wish I could describe it more, but people just call me crazy. I know of one other person who has gone thru this experience, but I cannot divulge that. It also relates back to Orion or Pi Cot Hori or Pisces Orion and manifestations (bending of light) and other such things.
I don’t much talk of it anymore cause people will think I’m crazy. =)
April 15th, 2007 at 1:51 amOur government is criminal, and why is that ok with 29% of the people? I just don’t get it. I’d have to move to New Zealand. I love the mountains, and the men sometimes wear kilts. :-)
Comment by Zooey
They would, I venture to say, seem to think of this as Empire building instead of crime. Thats the only way I can make sense of their actions
April 15th, 2007 at 2:14 amALTHOUGH IRRELEVANT TO THIS POST, EMERGING IS A FULL BLOWN
April 15th, 2007 at 3:56 amSCANDAL AT THE WHITEHOUSE (MORE LIKE CRIMINAL HOUSE)
AND WITHOUT ANY QUESTION THIS IS A SERIOUS CRIMINAL SCANDAL,
FULL OF THUGS, POLITICAL PARASITES, AND LITERAL HIGH CLASS
HOODLUMS…. HERE’S CREWS LINK THAT EXPLAINS ALL ABOUT THE
THE HIGHEST CLASS HOUSE IN THE NATION INFESTED WITH THE
MOST CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IN THE NATION. ENOUGH TO DOG GONE
PUKE .. LINK: http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/27637
I used to have respect for McCain. Even though he was a Republican, and I’m a Democrat. I gave him credit for actually serving in the military, unlike Bush, who’s biggest military adventure was appearing in a flight suit on the deck of an aircraft carrier, safely in US waters, and proclaiming MISSION ACCOMPLISHED to a war that has been going on for years since his lame photo op! McCain is no longer someone I respect. He has sold his soul to a failed ideology. Why? Do the neocons have something on him that they are holding over his head? Not impossible by any means. I think he is doomed as far as his future political ambitions. His latest publicity stunt in Iraq has backfired! He lied to the American people, plain and simple! If he is to regain my respect, he would have to return to that peacefull marketplace in Iraq, without the benifit of being surrounded by a small army! Then, if he came out of there alive, and and wanted to make comments on what great progress there was in Iraq, I still wouldn’t believe a word he said, but I’d have to give him credit for having BALLS
April 15th, 2007 at 4:41 amAs far as Webb is concerned, I have the utmost respect for the man. His victory at the polls made me stand up and cheer.
63. Comment by ChingarraSan:
I have to agree with you. It seems like McCain has sold his soul to the NeoCon agenda and since that flies in the face of past rhetoric, it makes him look foolish. He has always been a left leaning moderate paleo-conservative, and I get the impression that he doesn’t really believe in his new campaign positions. He is either getting some really bad advise or he has lost it. He’s not very animated these days.
On the other hand Webb displays confidence and a strong moral compass. His conviction and no bullsh!t approach against what he and most Americans see as a corrupt and souless party. He truly believes in what he is doing is moral and correct, and isn’t afraid of telling the opposition about it.
April 15th, 2007 at 5:01 am61. They would, I venture to say, seem to think of this as Empire building instead of crime. Thats the only way I can make sense of their actions
Comment by Zep Tepi
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I know I keep harping about this, but if you want to understand the NeoCons read up on Leo Strauss (father of NeoConservatism). There is an excellent documentary that spells out who these people are and thier bent Straussian ideology.
The Power of Nightmares: The Rise of the Politics of Fear (2004) Part 1 (Part 2) (Part 3).
Everyone that is confused with regards to why these people (NeoCons) are so souless and corrupt? You need to understand that Straussian followers believe that society needs to be decieved for it’s own good, and that the elite that is choosen to do so can anything to meet this end.
April 15th, 2007 at 5:10 amhttp://www.libertyforum.org/ showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_crime&Number=295414034&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=.
..Bush Is Mobilizing The ENTIRE National Guard…
WASHINGTON, DC — I have two subjects to deal with today. The first is the completely disastrous military situation in Iraq and the second deals with deliberately poisoned food in the United States. In the first matter, it will soon become public that Bush is going to extend the tours of duty for troops to 15 months or, with some clever interpretation of the rules, to 20 months.
In addition to these draconian measures, be advised that a classified Pentagon report confirms what we already knew: that Bush is ordering all, repeat all, National Guard units activated (in discreet stages) for immediate shipment to Iraq. Legally, Bush can do this, but the political uproar is going to be immense. “National Guard (In Federal Status) And Reserve Mobilized As Of April 11, 2007
This week, the Army, Navy and Air Force announced an increase, while the Marine Corps and Coast Guard had a decrease. The net collective result is 1,030 more reservists mobilized than last week.At any given time, services may mobilize some units and individuals while demobilizing others, making it possible for these figures to either increase or decrease. Total number currently on active duty in support of the partial mobilization for the Army National Guard and Army Reserve is 63,689; Navy Reserve, 6,404; Air National Guard and Air Force Reserve, 5,079; Marine Corps Reserve, 5,514; and the Coast Guard Reserve, 302. This brings the total National Guard and Reserve personnel, who have been mobilized, to 80,988, including both units and individual augmentees.”
http://www.defenselink.mil/ releases/ release.aspx?releaseid=10728
The press is being strongly advised by the White House and the DoD to “play this down” lest it cause “unnecessary political problems.”Also, there is a plan to reactivate many ex-soldiers who have completed their service within the past five years. This will be guaranteed to create even greater uproar but Bush is determined to do this and in the end, he will have his way regardless of Congress or the opinions of the American public.
The new “surge” troops are not properly armed; have absolutely no body armor, for example, and not is, or will be available, and the casualties are soaring. Bush’s goal of crushing any Iraqi resistance to the American occupation has been doomed from the start but no one dares to advise him of this dismal and growingly obvious fact.
Bush obviously has a death wish but unfortunately, the casualty rates of both American military personnel and the Iraqi civilian population (ca. 600,000 in four years) have absolutely no effect on
him.
Another Pentagon report on desertions in addition to a new one under date of April 9, 2007, speak of the exploding rate of desertions and the very strong possibility of mutiny. The Pentagon hopes that such rebellions would be in Iraq where they can be ruthlessly dealt with out of sight of the increasingly enraged American public. Shooting dozens of soldiers would be much easier in the privacy of Baghadad barracks rather then at Ft. Bliss.
Also, it is interesting to note that the highly sophisticated roadside bombs that are inflicting many deaths and terrible injuries were not manufactured in Iran but in Iraq! A bomb-making factory was recently uncovered (a full report will be printed here soon) in Baghdad and both the Pentagon and the White House were fully advised. The American media has been ordered to shut this off because Bush demanded it.
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2666.htm
April 15th, 2007 at 5:22 amIf you truly want to understand the NeoConservative ideology and movement and how it paralells with fundimental islam then watch these documentaries? It explains why these people believe what they believe and do the opposite of what they say. This three part documentary by Adam Curtis from the BBC is the best!
The Power of Nightmares Part 1: Baby it’s Cold Outside:
http://video.google.com/ videoplay?docid=881321004838285177
The Power of Nightmares Part 2: The Phantom Victory:
http://video.google.com/ videoplay?docid=4602171665328041876
The Power of Nightmares - Part 3: The Shadows in the Cave:
http://video.google.com/ videoplay?docid=4729189253956590972
All three can be downloaded in MPEG format from: http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares
April 15th, 2007 at 5:52 amZep Tepi
The UN didn’t approve Jr’s invasion of Iraq. They called it a violation of their charter.
Otherwise, bang on target.
April 15th, 2007 at 6:28 amOur government is criminal, and why is that ok with 29% of the people? I just don’t get it. I’d have to move to New Zealand. I love the mountains, and the men sometimes wear kilts. :-)
Comment by Zooey
Hi, Zooey.
April 15th, 2007 at 6:43 amHave you ever actually been to New Zealand? I didn’t see any men in kilts when I was there, which, of course, doesn’t mean they don’t exist there–just that they weren’t around where I was. In any case, it’s a truly beautiful country–not just the mountains but also the color of the surrounding sea. When I was there, it was fairly chilly even in mid=December, which is supposed to be summer in the southern hemisphere. However, if you’ve been living in Idaho for a while, I suppose you’re used to chilly weather.
McCain is a tragic figure. I recall being so excited when he raised the idea some years back of running on a ticket with Kerry. Now I think he has sold his soul, as so many polticians eventually do, and he will say anything he thinks will get him closer to the GOP nomination. Sad case — and also a very sick , maybe now very dangerous, man.
April 15th, 2007 at 7:21 amfind those emails!!dirty stinkin lowlife idiot republicans…
April 15th, 2007 at 7:22 amgrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr….
You gotta love how Redudlicans get to go on MTP, and Webb has to go on Bloomberg(granted, I do love a good stock crawl now and again.)
April 15th, 2007 at 7:49 amwhy do I feel like I’m the only person in the world right now???
April 15th, 2007 at 7:54 amYes.Power of Nightmares etc. gives a great context to what has happened to this country since 2000. I always think back to the days after 911, the anthrax, the orange alerts, pictures of terrorist on the TV (How did they know who all the terrorist were so quickly?) Everything these people do is a Hollywood production feel to it. The neo-conservatives believe in what they are doing and have a hidden agenda. Everything that has occured could only occur after the Pearl Harbor-like incident that came on 911. Bush would never had been able to implement this radical agenda without 911. The neo-cons were well versed in the theory of Hitlers’Big Lie. It works because people can’t believe Americans can be that evil. (much easier to believe Arabs are evil). As far as McCain, Blackmail is not out of the question. Obviously the eavesdropping was more about politics than terrorism.
April 15th, 2007 at 8:09 amtalk…..to meeeeee…..
April 15th, 2007 at 8:11 amtalk about..the..right ..wiiing..
April 15th, 2007 at 8:19 amhypocraceeeeeee….
:)
April 15th, 2007 at 8:20 am***yawn***
April 15th, 2007 at 8:41 amI wish people would wake up….
Nothing shocking at this point!
April 15th, 2007 at 9:23 amso is this what it would be like if I were*gasp* “LEFT BEHIND”????
April 15th, 2007 at 9:25 am“What were they celebrating? Defeat? Surrender?”
No, John. We are celebrating Democracy! And Sanity!
April 15th, 2007 at 9:27 amand CHicken N’ Biscuits!! and Gravy! wait, that’s just what I celebrate…
April 15th, 2007 at 9:33 am55,
Thanks for the kind words, Merlin. That’s what music theorists are for, to come up with fruitful analyses (that is the plural form of analysis, Firefox needs to get that fixed), but to never really have any insightful comments.
Oh yeah, and global warming is totally f****ing up our climate. It’s really annoying. When the clouds are out, it is winter-like, and when the sun is out for multiple days, we have a drastic increase in temperature…spring weather has practically been abolished from our seasonal cycles. Boo.
April 15th, 2007 at 10:09 amI guess I’m waiting for everyone else to get out of church???
April 15th, 2007 at 10:10 amHere I am whiteyfresh, now what are your next 2 wishes….LOL…Good Morning and Blessings
April 15th, 2007 at 10:51 am[…] McCain’s speech was portrayed by the media as an attempt to revive his faltering presidential campaign […]
April 15th, 2007 at 11:44 amChurch, whitey?
Did California break off and fall into the ocean? I think not….
It appears that you have disappeared, as well. :-)
April 15th, 2007 at 11:45 am“‘Impugning People’s Patriotism” and “Hiding Behind The Troops” is what the Bush administration has been doing all these years, since the invasion of Iraq was in the works.
It’s beginning to wear thin, and McCain should probably update his playbook, because the American public has begun to realize taking a stance against the Dear (mis)Leader’s initiatives doesn’t mean being unpatriotic.
I used to have some respect for this man. Not anymore.
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April 15th, 2007 at 12:48 pm
No one ever mentions that the Senator suffers from a very, very, very bad case of PTSD due to his Vietnam combat experiences followed by his years as a POW….I know from personal experience that even if the major disabling symptoms can be ameliorated by treatment and the passage of time, certain permanent wounds remain which affect EVERYTHING one experiences. I really do not trust the Senator’s judgement and would absolutely NEVER trust him with Presidential powers….his erratic behavior would be a real danger to the world if placed in stressful situations. He will most definitely LOSE IT….his crazy talk after being in the Bagdag combat zone is clear evidence of this. I am certain that being surrounded by all those combat/war triggers while in a war zone unhinges him…He then tries to regain control by making hawkish statements. He is a danger to this country and should retire.
April 15th, 2007 at 4:34 pmComment by angryvietnamvet #88
…some things are IMPOSSIBLE to forget…
…torture is certainly one of them…
…the presidency is too DANGEROUS a job…
…to trust ANYONE with even a scintilla of mental stress…
…as serious as PTSD…
April 15th, 2007 at 4:43 pmCheney did see combat in Vietnam, he crawled in bed with Lynn.
April 15th, 2007 at 5:37 pmComment by Karen #90
…Oh Karen…
…how “inappropriate”…
…Dick(less) Cheney is the Vice Emperor of these great United States…
…Lynn is his wife…
…Please, have some respeck sic …
hehehehe!!!!
April 15th, 2007 at 5:51 pmThanks Jim, you keep kickin’ right-wing coward ass!
April 15th, 2007 at 9:04 pmMcCain proves that just because you look like Charlie Chaplin in his later years, you still can be unbeloved. John’s time has come and gone.
April 16th, 2007 at 5:05 pm