One has to be real weak minded to be hurt by what Imus said on a putative comedy show.

The Rutgers Women’s Basketball team is “weak minded,” but you and Imus are not weak minded, because you can see this and they obviously can’t.

Rev. Sharpton and Rev. Jackson make the racial divide worse, but you and Imus are innocent of perpetuating the racial divide.

Gwen Ifill is hate-filled, but you and Imus are pure as the driven snow.

SUPERIORITY. You just REEK of it, Rex.

You come off that way in every post to me. Too bad your posts can’t be seen by Rev. Sharpton, Rev. Jackson, Ms. Ifill, and the Rutgers Women’s Basketball team. I expect they would have something to say about your attitude of superiority, and you would say something demeaning about them once more.

There is nothing so demeaning you can say, Rex, that could make Gwen Ifill anything but a class act, and those who try to demean her something less than a class act because of their attempt to demean and denigrate her.

I did earlier notice your superiority, inferiority comment and thought it came perilously close to you returning to the mentality that caused you to previously use the word ‘Trolls’. But I chose to ignore it. Yet you return to it.
This is sad. The issue, at least for me, has nothing to do with personal inferiority/inferiority. Surely talking about pimples on butts is demeaning both to yourself, and the person/people you think you defend.

Unfortunately, most people cannot debate. So they turn to the personal attack. I do not oppose such attacks per se, but they should be backed up with evidence. Like you could show exactly how my long answer demonstrates I am feeling superior to Ifill, and should it be possible to do that, you need to demonstrate what relevance that has to the question of whether Ifill’s attack on Imus and many others (I think the whole cognoscenti of the whole east cost has been implicated) was fair or reasonable.

In #282, I said, “My hope is that your protestation that your feelings that are very negative with regard to Ms. Ifill do not flow from a judgement on your part that you are somehow superior to Ms. Ifill. If that is the source of your feelings about her, you can be sure that I don’t agree with your judgement.”

Well, your long “explanation” smashed my hope. You do, in fact, judge that you are superior to Ms. Ifill. WRONG!

You don’t make a pimple on her butt with an attitude of superiority like yours.

big papa, I can only guess you get that feeling because you want to get that feeling. But it’s your fantasy, and has nothing to do with me or who I am.
I really am sorry you would say such a thing because it is a total waste of time for everybody. It is better to say things with reality content rather than mere speculation.
OK?
Think of it this way. Even if you were right about me, your language and tone would make you exactly like me, not a righteous judge of me!

Well I read what you said and I wondered if you could be correct. See I didn’t watch the video on this site today before I posted, so I did so just now after I saw what you said. And so I know why you saw something different from what I did. Simply, we didn’t see the same program!!!!!!`

I watched the original hour long Tim Russert show yesterday. You don’t see her true colors from the tiny little bit posted here. But you do if you saw the whole show.

I will grant that of course my statement that she is hate filled is impossible to prove objectively, but it is how I saw her and some other Blacks. I know that as an objective matter, hers and some other Black spokes people by their performance, caused me to see Blacks in a more negative light than I did prior to it. If Blacks want to act as a class in a movement, then of course their actions are going to reflect on that class. They can’t have it both ways, race shouldn’t be an issue, while they make an issue of it.
Their saying they did not like Imus comments is fine. Their mob mentality and drive to get him fired, combined with a constant sliming and dismissal of all his apologies as if Imus was not even a human being, and all this for a remark made on a comedy show, just is way over the top.
Think of this. I don’t and never have watched him. Not my thing. So if there was half a million people watching, that would mean say around 200 million or more in the US including myself, that would have no clue that the really unremarkable words had ever been uttered. Wow, that is like most people. But some blacks decided to make a big deal out of it, and they did it deliberately in order to make an attack, so now say maybe 2 billion people could have heard those words.
And those people wanted blood. Never had any other purpose than that. That is not a noble cause, and did not help their cause.

Rex,

…don’t project YOUR shortcoming onto Ms ifil…

She (Ms. Ifill) may not have jumped up and yelled “I am a hate filled person” but it was clear that she is.

You know, Rex, your statement startled me! I thought, what did Rex see or hear that I didn’t? So I played the video again.

To me, Ms. Ifill seemed anything but hate-filled. There was no sneer in her voice or on her face, as there was with Imus, when he made his now infamous remark about the Rutgers Women’s Basketball team.

Seems to me that this issue varies in the eye (and the mind, and the heart) of the beholder. I view Ms. Ifill very positively. Many on this thread agree with me. Some agree with you, Rex. You and those who agree with you have been very clear about how you feel. I hope I have been as clear about how I feeal as you and those who agree with you have been.

My hope is that your protestation that your feelings that are very negative with regard to Ms. Ifill do not flow from a judgement on your part that you are somehow superior to Ms. Ifill. If that is the source of your feelings about her, you can be sure that I don’t agree with your judgement.

Everybody wants to be a victim.

Sorry Andrew, I don’t buy it.

I don’t buy that everybody wants to be publicly victimized by loudmouthed representatives hired by publicly-franchised communications networks with denigrating descriptions and racial slurs.

I am sure that Gwen Ifill wasn’t hoping that Imus would call her a putdown like “cleaning lady, ” just so she could feel like a “victim.” I wouldn’t want that to happen to me. Would you want that to happen to you? Why would you consider her less than you are, and thus consider yourself to be superior to Ms. Ifill? Or Rev. Sharpton? Or Rev. Jackson? Or anyone else?

The fact that folks consider themselves to be superior to other people, seems to me to be a BIG contributor to the racial divide plaguing this country.

My hat is off to you hterrya for amending your language. Very commendable and mature I think most people will agree! Thanks!

On the question of what is off track as far as posting, I don’t agree with your view that attacking Ifill et al is off base. Isn’t Ifill being praised for her attacks? Does she get a free pass?
I was personally sickened by her attitude yesterday, and will never see her as a legitimate source of information again. She may not have jumped up and yelled “I am a hate filled person” but it was clear that she is.
Don’t get me wrong. being hate filled is not a crime. But trying to destroy another while pretending your heart is pure and righteous, when it isn’t, is disgusting. At least to me.

Just because low-life rap musicians make millions from fools who buy their records, doesn’t mean that their vocabulary is acceptable to anyone else. It is certainly not acceptable in describing outstanding young college women or any other women, for that matter.

You are absolutely right, Rex. The word “troll” goes out of my vocabulary.

Attempts to distract and derail this thread from its topic are simply that: attempts by people, not trolls. Whatever their intent those people need to be confronted on the content of what they say, without derogatory labels.

So let me rephrase my comment to Joe in #274:

Anyway, Imus’ firing has given lots of folks who post on this thread the opportunity to denigrate Rev. Sharpton, Rev. Jackson, Gwen Ifill and everyone in here who agrees with Ms. Ifill’s comments about Russert and Brooks. They have had a field day. The virulent spirit of Imus lives on. You folks defending Imus can take some small solace in that!

You can’t shut down Imus, cause then you have to shut down everybody!

NEWS FLASH!, Joe: Imus was shut down, and everyone else is still talking!

Shutting down Imus was not the end of the world. Listening (and watching) Imus was just an opportunity for people to excuse denigrating people of color, to feel superior to those with whom they disagree, and to remain in hebetude. That opportunity is over. No big loss in my opinion.

Anyway, Imus’ firing has given lots of trolls in here the opportunity to denigrate Rev. Sharpton, Rev. Jackson, Gwen Ifill and everyone in here who agrees with Ms. Ifill’s comments about Russert and NHH Brooks. The trolls in here have had a field day. The virulent spirit of Imus lives on. You trolls can take some small solace in that!

By the way, there is little chance of Russert and Brooks being “shut down,” so you can still your hysteria, Joe.