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U.S. generals call for action on climate change.

In a report, 11 former military leaders “say global warming poses a serious threat to national security, as the US could be drawn into wars over water and other conflicts. … They appear to criticise President George W Bush’s refusal to join an international treaty to cut emissions.”



73 Responses to “U.S. generals call for action on climate change.”

  1. Tobey Tall says:

    how much war is already causing climate change what with all the oil fields blown up and DU shells … war is a mess no need for it at all

    And yes we already see people being drawn into wars based on lies for oil

    BUT BUSH WANTS GLOBAL WARMING TO KILL MANY PEOPLE FIRST


  2. Raven says:

    Agreed, in the minds of Bushco’s oily masters, the more people who perish due to climate related natural disasters, the better for them.
    They are also anxious for the Arctic to melt as quickly as possible, opening up the Northwest passage for shipping, exploration and exploitation of new oil fields.


  3. Briseadh na Faire says:

    US could be drawn into wars over water

    Lost in the World Bank/Wolfowitz scandal is the fact that the World Bank is a primary mover towards the privatization of water supplies. In the future, water in many countries will be owned by private corporations, and only the wealthy will have access to even the rain that falls on the ground.

    Groundwork is being laid to exterminate billions of poor people globally.


  4. Zooey says:

    We think oil wars are ugly — just wait until the water wars.


  5. GSD says:

    Damn bunch of Commie pinko leftists!

    -GSD


  6. UKBristolDave says:

    Comment by Zooey — April 15, 2007 @ 3:33 pm

    I think it’s already kicked off in certain parts of the world – Israel / Palestine being the example.

    Note to trolls – this isn’t me having a pop at Israel.


  7. ohdave says:

    We all know that Bush doesn’t listen to generals, so I’m not sure he’ll have any influence.


  8. gogreen says:

    There are essentially already water wars. The earliest example in modern times of a government using water access to drive our political opponents and “undesirables” is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. When the Israelis began to push the settlements into the West bank and elsewhere, they made sire that the aquifiers were located beneath the settlements. Today they deprive the Palestintians of access to fresh water as a means of controlling their population.

    In the US, private corporations are looting aquifiers and selling the product, bottled water, back to the public. The solution to this is to address the issue which led to the rise of the bottled water industry in the first place, wate quality. That means reining in devlopment in the watersheds of the rivers and the lakes. In North Carolina, where I live, the developers and the realtors have essentially bought the city councils and county boards. With a few exceptions, what they want gets done, and it often gets done with government subsidies.

    Enter the Bush adminstration. The Busheviks have actually diverted water from rivers in the west to channel it to segments of the population which support Bushevism, and thus constitute a voting block. When our own government begins using the country’s natural resources to starve political opposition, it is indeed clear that we are circling the drain (sorry, pun not intended).


  9. Jake for president says:

    Hell, let’s just have a nuclear winter, that will fix it.


  10. mandolin says:

    Who are the 11 military leaders?


  11. Zooey says:

    #9 – Jake for prez

    I told my dad yesterday that GWB would fix GW with nuclear winter.
    He didn’t think it was funny.
    I wasn’t trying to be funny.


  12. Tobey Tall says:

  13. Tobey Tall says:

    Meanwhile, dozens of Iraqi policemen demonstrated in front of their Baghdad station Sunday, accusing U.S. forces of treating them like “animals” and “slaves.”

    The protest took place at Rashad station in Baghdad’s eastern neighborhood of Mashtal.

    Officers chanted “No, no to America! Get out occupiers!” while U.S. troops in two humvees and a Bradley fighting vehicle watched from a distance


  14. mandolin says:

    Melting glaciers=less water?


  15. mandolin says:

    We’re running out of water!! Buy an SUV, leave your lights on! Melt the glaciers before it’s too late.


  16. Jake for president says:

    I told my dad yesterday that GWB would fix GW with nuclear winter.
    He didn’t think it was funny.
    I wasn’t trying to be funny.

    Comment by Zooey — April 15, 2007 @ 4:20 pm

    Zooey, do it scare you to know the future?


  17. Jake for president says:

    Hey, mandolin, you’re right. Let’s bottle seawater and sell it.
    You should try some.


  18. mandolin says:

    Act now before the receding glaciers freeze back our precious water. Global warming is our only hope.


  19. Zooey says:

    Zooey, do it scare you to know the future?
    Comment by Jake for president

    I truly hope I do not know the future.


  20. Zooey says:

    3301
    Comment by Tobey Tall

    There are no words…


  21. gogreen says:

    mandolin

    can you not think in terms of the earth your children and grandchildren will inherit, which requires projecting into the future for a period of time longer than the time between now and dinner, or until “American Idol”, or the or the rate at which you can consume beer until you have to go to the store? Global warming and its consequences will only start in your lifetime. Their maximum impact will be on future generations. I don’t pretend to know what motivates people anymore. but most of the people I know and call friends can at least comprehend that science is predicting our future and also telling us how to mitigate the consequences.

    Your actions today, and mine, and the actions of every person on theis planet determime that future. When I see that future being snatched away by people too short-sighted to understand the consequences, or too uncaring to act, it pisses me off. Not just for myself, but for my neices and nephews, and their unborn children, and the ones after that. What legacy do you propose to leave to your heirs?


  22. Tobey Tall says:

    21 / the earth is on loan from your children


  23. Jake for president says:

    Our republican mantra; I have mine, piss on you!


  24. jonny says:

    Funny. Those generals should google and read an article titled:

    Washington’s New World Order Weapons Have the Ability to Trigger Climate Change

    Investigate yourselves …

    globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO201A.html

    A simulation study of future defense “scenarios” commissioned for the US Air Force calls for:

    “US aerospace forces to ‘own the weather’ by capitalizing on emerging technologies and focusing development of those technologies to war-fighting applications… From enhancing friendly operations or disrupting those of the enemy via small-scale tailoring of natural weather patterns to complete dominance of global communications and counterspace control, weather-modification offers the war fighter a wide-range of possible options to defeat or coerce an adversary… In the United States, weather-modification will likely become a part of national security policy with both domestic and international applications. Our government will pursue such a policy, depending on its interests, at various levels.(5)


  25. Marie says:

    I agree with Raven at #2.
    The more people perish through natural disasters, the better it is for Bush and greater the opportunity for them.
    Bushies have already been heard to say that they can’t wait for more melting in the far northern latitudes so they can tap the heretofore undrilled area for oil.
    I also have the heard predictions that the next global war will be over water, a resource which is rapidly being take over by business interests.
    As for those who scoff at this — what kind of world do you expect to leave your children and grandshildren — does the Republican mantra of “I got mine, you can go get your own” apply to your own progeny? Then again, are you of the mind that your offspring will not suffer personally – like the Bush family – who cares not about anyone else in the future because their present day corruption will assure sufficient resources for themselves.


  26. Badger says:

    The whole human tragedy in Dafur, Sudan, Chad, and much of Sub Saharan Africa is due to the persistent drought conditions. Climate change has produced a Ranchers vs. Farmers Conflict in Africa that should ring a bell with Americans. Sheep vs. Cattle in the cowboy movies. The generals are right on target, with their concerns. No snow in the mountains means empty rivers in the Spring.


  27. firehead says:

    Fire these scumbags.


  28. Julianna says:

    Well, think about it. If climate change happens as drastically as scientist have projected you bet there could be wars or skirmishes over water and other scarce resources. Worse case scenario you could expect conflict between citizens over resources.

    Specifically in the United States where we have a lot of fresh water (like around Michigan)

    Maybe now the right wingers can see at least one good reason to be concerned about climate change, security. Since they only speak securitinese.


  29. Badger says:

    According to Al Gore’s movie, melting in the far northern latitudes is not necessarily good for oil exploration. When the permafrost melts, the trucks used to haul the oil equipment get stuck in the Mud. Exploration and production actually go Down.


  30. Alejandro says:

    One of the Republican candidates for president has made similar arguments. He said that global warming is one of the results of our imperialist foreign policy and that our wars for oil prolong our dependence on oil and exacerbate global warming. I tend to agree with him.


  31. dlet says:

    In a report, 11 former military leaders

    Fire these scumbags.
    Comment by firehead

    Apparently reading comprehension isn’t high on the troll recruitment qualifications.


  32. Jay Randal says:

    As long as the Bush Regime exists, then nothing can be done about climate change or any other problem for that matter. The severe storm on the East Coast today denotes that it may already be too late now.


  33. Zooey says:

    Apparently reading comprehension isn’t high on the troll recruitment qualifications.
    Comment by dlet

    Maybe the military leaders are supposed to re-enlist now? :-D


  34. mandolin says:

    Hey, mandolin, you’re right. Let’s bottle seawater and sell it.
    You should try some.

    Comment by Jake for president — April 15, 2007 @ 4:30 pm

    I’d love to have a bottle.


  35. mandolin says:

    Where were all the hurricanes last year? I thought global warming was causing hurricanes to be more frequent. At least that is what was said after Katrina. Every time any anomaly happens in the weather pattern the hippies cry global warming is the culprit and they claim we will see more of the same if we do not change our way. So now that we’ve had a weekend of severe weather on the East Coast we will start to here that global warming is the source. So, where were the hurricanes last year?


  36. Tobey Tall says:

    dont forget that the weather has a twelve year delay ??? the weather NOW is for CO2 levels 12 years ago ………were in shit and Bush knows it and loves it , hes a complete moron

    tell me whats the harm in using renewable energies ,, I DO

    so do 35 million in Europe compared to 1 million in the US

    Bush is the biggest moron ever


  37. dlet says:

    I’d love to have a bottle.
    Comment by mandolin

    People used to have good clean well water. Then pollution made us move to tap water which was considered safe. Now in many areas people have to drink bottled water shipped in from other places or made clean by companies. People everywhere now buy bottled water at a price higher than gas. Now this suggestion that Global Climate Change is no problem because there is technology to desalinate water which will push the price of water higher. Sad to think that something that people used to collect from their backyard will cost an arm and a leg in the near future due to pollution, greed, (insert own deadly sin), etc.


  38. Tobey Tall says:

    I notice a difference in the weather in Scotland

    A lot less snow in winter

    much warmer , records breaking hot weather since records began

    And the biggest change I see is the wind , I can never remember so many force 5 – 9 gales .


  39. Jay Randal says:

    Tobey > the worst April storm in history is occuring on the East Coast of the US today. I have never seen such wind in Georgia ever before. If this is an indication of changing climatic conditions, then starvation due to massive crop damage is just around the corner.


  40. mandolin says:

    People used to have good clean well water. Then pollution made us move to tap water which was considered safe.

    Just because water comes from the tap does not mean it doesn’t come straight from the ground. The tap water in many homes still come from their backyard.


  41. Juan C says:

    11 former military leaders “say global warming poses a serious threat to national security, as the US could be drawn into wars over water and other conflicts.

    Good!! More wars!!! /stupidity off


  42. Juan C says:

    Sad to think that something that people used to collect from their backyard will cost an arm and a leg in the near future due to pollution, greed, (insert own deadly sin), etc.
    Comment by dlet

    No doubt that water companies trust in potable water shortages or its bad quality. But, you could built your own solar still in your backyard. It´s cheap and it doesnt require too much maintenance. Companies dont use it because solar stills are economic competitive against other desalination techniques up to 200 m³/day of fresh water. But it has been a proven reality since 1800s. More.


  43. Juan C says:

    Groundwork is being laid to exterminate billions of poor people globally.
    Comment by Briseadh na Faire

    They are already doing it. Africa.


  44. big papa says:

    I cannot remember a time during my tender young lifetime…

    …to date…

    …that we have had so much FOUL weather…


  45. General Betrayus says:

    Ahhh, but let’s keep putting BILLION$ into the Iwreck war. Feed the Military Industrial Complex. Protect America’s Oil Interests in the ME. Don’t you know the surge is working!?


  46. muckdog says:

    In a campaign without peacetime precedent, the media-entertainment-environmental complex is warning about global warming. Never, other than during the two world wars, has there been such a concerted effort by opinion-forming institutions to indoctrinate Americans, 83 percent of whom now call global warming a ” serious problem.” Indoctrination is supposed to be a predicate for action commensurate with professions of seriousness.

    For example, Democrats could demand that the president send the Kyoto Protocol to the Senate so they can embrace it. In 1997, the Senate voted95 to 0 in opposition to any agreement that would, like the protocol, require significant reduction of greenhouse gas emissions in America and some other developed nations but that would involve no “specific scheduled commitments” for 129 “developing” countries, including the second-, fourth-, 10th-, 11th-, 13th- and 15th-largest economies (China, India, Brazil, South Korea, Mexico and Indonesia). Forty-two of the senators serving in 1997 are gone. Let’s find out if the new senators disagree with the 1997 vote.

    Do they also disagree with Bjorn Lomborg, author of “The Skeptical Environmentalist”? He says: Compliance with Kyoto would reduce global warming by an amount too small to measure. But the cost of compliance just to the United States would be higher than the cost of providing the entire world with clean drinking water and sanitation, which would prevent 2 million deaths (from diseases such as infant diarrhea) a year and prevent half a billion people from becoming seriously ill each year.

    Nature designed us as carnivores, but what does nature know about nature? Meat has been designated a menace. Among the 51 exhortations in Time magazine’s ” Global Warming Survival Guide” (April 9), No. 22 says a BMW is less responsible than a Big Mac for “climate change,” that conveniently imprecise name for our peril. This is because the world meat industry produces 18 percent of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions, more than transportation produces. Nitrous oxide in manure (warming effect: 296 times greater than that of carbon) and methane from animal flatulence (23 times greater) mean that “a 16-oz. T-bone is like a Hummer on a plate.”

    Ben & Jerry’s ice cream might be even more sinister: A gallon of it requires electricity-guzzling refrigeration and four gallons of milk produced by cows that simultaneously produce eight gallons of manure and flatulence with eight gallons of methane. The cows do this while consuming lots of grain and hay, which are cultivated by using tractor fuel, chemical fertilizers, herbicides and insecticides, and transported by fuel-consuming trains and trucks.

    Newsweek says most food travels at least 1,200 miles to get to Americans’ plates, so buying local food will save fuel. Do not order halibut in Omaha.

    Speaking of Hummers, perhaps it is environmentally responsible to buy one and squash a Prius with it. The Prius hybrid is, of course, fuel-efficient. There are, however, environmental costs to mining and smelting (in Canada) 1,000 tons a year of zinc for the battery-powered second motor, and the shipping of the zinc 10,000 miles — trailing a cloud of carbon dioxide — to Wales for refining and then to China for turning it into the component that is then sent to a battery factory in Japan.

    Opinions differ as to whether acid rain from the Canadian mining and smelting operation is killing vegetation that once absorbed carbon dioxide. But a report from CNW Marketing Research (”Dust to Dust: The Energy Cost of New Vehicles from Concept to Disposal”) concludes that in “dollars per lifetime mile,” a Prius (expected life: 109,000 miles) costs $3.25, compared with $1.95 for a Hummer H3 (expected life: 207,000 miles).

    The CNW report states that a hybrid makes economic and environmental sense for a purchaser living in the Los Angeles basin, where fuel costs are high and smog is worrisome. But environmental costs of the hybrid are exported from the basin.

    We are urged to “think globally and act locally,” as Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has done with proposals to reduce California’s carbon dioxide emissions 25 percent by 2020. If California improbably achieves this, at a cost not yet computed, it will have reduced global greenhouse gas emissions 0.3 percent. The question is:

    Suppose the costs over a decade of trying to achieve a local goal are significant. And suppose the positive impact on the globe’s temperature is insignificant — and much less than, say, the negative impact of one year’s increase in the number of vehicles in one country (e.g., India). If so, are people who recommend such things thinking globally but not clearly?

    From
    Fuzzy Climate Math.

    Maybe the biggest threats to the climate are hamburgers, ice cream, and hybrid cars!

    If you want to have an impact to the climate, eat more salad. And write to your Congressperson to urge them to stop building coal power plants, and to start building nuclear power plants.


  47. Jimbo says:

    LISTEN DUDE, GOD ENTRUSTED THE LEADER WITH THE MOST INTEGRITY,
    HARD WORK, HONESTY TO

    CARE
    FOR
    MOTHER
    NATURE :)

    INSTEAD THE MOST SACRED HOUSE IN THE LAND OF COURSE DOES THE
    COMPLETE OPPOSITE REGARDING HIS BUDDY KENNETH LAY AND
    ALL THE REST OF THE PARASITES/LEECHES AND ALSO SCR***D THE
    RESIDENTS OF CALIFORNIA OR FOR THAT MATTER THE ENTIRE U.S.
    YEAH KNOW MERCURY EMISSIONS AND OF COURSE C02.

    AND WHAT DOES THE MOST SACRED HOUSE IN THE NATION WITH THE
    MOST INTEGRITY DO……… IGNORES AND IMPLANTS CORRUPTED
    AGENCY ADMINISTRATORS.

    BY THE TIME CLIMATE CHANGE RESOLUTION EVER OCCURS, IT WILL BE
    SO DOG GONE CORRUPTED AND WE WILL BE SO HEAVILY TAXED

    UNFORTUNATELY…… IT WILL BE JUST MORE OF THE SAME…….

    ALL THOSE TAXES WILL END UP IN SOMEBODY’S POCKET FOR A YACHT,
    ROLLS ROYCE OR WHATEVER ELSE FOR BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN CONTRACTS SUPPOSELY TO SERVE US!!

    HOPEFULLY THAT WILL NOT BE THE OUTCOME, BUT IT’S GOING TO TAKE
    SOME MAJOR REFORM, TRUTH, INTEGRITY TO SERVE THE PEOPLE WITH
    ALL THESE SWINDLERS, PARASITES, LEECHES RAH RAHING AND THEY
    AIN’T KEEPING THEIR PROMISE.

    DUDE
    MAJOR ETHICS REFORM DUDE … MAJOR ETHICS REFORM AND IF THEY
    DON’T WANT TO DO THAT

    THEN
    JUST
    GO
    HOME

    AND DON’T COME BACK TO WORK!!!!!!!!


  48. VerbalKint says:

    Ignore muckdog, he is a professional global warming denier.


  49. Juan C says:

    Ignore muckdog, he is a professional global warming denier.
    Comment by VerbalKint

    Not just that, he is an empty-headed copy-paster from some bigger idiot than he.

    I mean, from the article he posted:

    Nature designed us as carnivores

    WTF?


  50. trueblue says:

    Hey Juan.

    How are you?


  51. Zooey says:

    I mean, from the article he posted:
    Nature designed us as carnivores
    WTF?
    Comment by Juan C

    Muckdog likes his meat…..
    *wink*


  52. trueblue says:

    Nature designed us as carnivores
    WTF?
    Comment by Juan C

    As you probably know, meat actually rots in our stomachs.

    Salad, anyone?


  53. Raven says:

    Meat is eminently more digestable once allowed to age on the side of the road for a few days… the hard part is keeping those pesky crows away from it….


  54. Jimbo says:

    dude… jimbo dude juices parsley, kale, and carrots. and as far as
    protein, oatmeal and split peas/lentils/beans are complete protein,
    anyhow meat is a ripoff…. do you know in the process most of it
    contains a whopping 50% water, which means guess what… double
    the cost, not only will global warming get corrupted but so is healthcare
    and the food industries. dude…. it’s rigged man rigged and jimbo dude
    ONLY speaks truth… so yeah lately it seems like there’s lots of swindling
    going on, infact so dog gone corrupt…it’s enough to make me keep
    chillin dude with the parsley, kale, and carrots dude, just chillin out dude :)


  55. unbelievable says:

    “Vegan with a Vengance” by Isa Chandra Moskowitz.

    Best home cooking, from scratch recipes I’ve ever tried – and you’ll never notice there isn’t a single animal product (including road kill) in any of it. :)


  56. ManipulationNation says:

    George W. Bush is an extremely short-term thinker whose brain waves don’t seem to project much beyond the length of his administration. Global warming and its consequences don’t affect his base right now, so it doesn’t affect him.


  57. muckdog says:

    Actually I am a vegan because I care about the environment and my health. Not because I’m on the “global warming apocalypse” bulk email list. Agree with George Will that the Global Warming indoctrination has been very successful. Al Gore must’ve learned a lot from Joseph Goebbels.


  58. Topper Harley says:

    Look at muckdog talk about Goebbels. Project much, Muckdog. Too funny. Muckdog the Nazi playing the victim. HaHa. Too funny.


  59. Juan C says:

    Hey Juan.
    How are you?
    Comment by trueblue

    Good, true. Just finished some abstract I sent to a Congress in Shangai. Lets hope they accepted.


  60. Juan C says:

    Hi, true and Zoo.

    How are you, ladies?


  61. USA says:

    “11 former military leaders “say global warming poses a serious threat to national security, as the US could be drawn into wars over water and other conflicts”

    No. I think that was the movie Waterworld. Idiots.


  62. gogreen says:

    http://www.lomborg-errors.dk/

    The Bjorn Lomberg story, muckdog. The guy appears to be a fraud, although it isn’t clear whether he intended to be or not. I would like to know where he gets his funding. The guy is not an environmentalist. He seems to be influenced by several right-wing thinkers, especially Simon. Simon’s arguments remind me of a “textbook” written by some fundy whackos in Texas that put forth the idea that there would never be a shortage of resources, becasue God would always show new resources to mankind as needed.


  63. muckdog says:

    Is he a bigger fraud than Al Gore?

    Say, is any of that bad East Coast weather hitting Gore’s hood? What’s the pool temp there this weekend at the Gore Estate? Hope this isn’t putting a dent into any of his weekend pool party bbq plans!


  64. Chocolate Jesus says:

    Ah muckdog and his laugable sources…..

    lets see some of the excerpts from the “sources” he quotes:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg

    Bjørn Lomborg (born January 6, 1965) is an Adjunct Professor at the Copenhagen Business School and a former director of the Environmental Assessment Institute in Copenhagen. He became internationally-known for his best-selling and controversial book The Skeptical Environmentalist. After the book’s publication, members of the Danish and international scientific community accused Lomborg of “scientific dishonesty”, although Lomborg is not a trained scientist, and does not claim to be.[1] These allegations were investigated by appropriate arms of the Danish government and in the end, no official charges were left standing. However, many scientists[2] — in particular climatologists — remain critical of Lomborg’s work….Another group of Danish scientists collected signatures in support of the DCSD [the group who determined the guys work to be error ridden}. The 640 signatures in this second petition came almost exclusively from the medical and natural sciences, and included Jens Christian Skou (a Nobel laureate for chemistry), former university rector Kjeld MøllgÃ¥rd, and professor Poul Harremoës from the Technical University of Denmark…critics pointed out that Lomborg’s work had not been declared scientifically valid, it merely had not been declared invalid….Scientific American published strong criticism of Lomborg’s book

    Muckdog, any chance you could quote anyone who is either A) a scientist or B) not receiving massive amounts of money from the fossil fuels industry?

    YOur quote from the website of the guy who said absestos could have saved the world trade center and that smoking wasnt bad for you is still takes the cake as the most laugable source I’ve ever seen.. haahah


  65. muckdog says:

    I’ve provided multiple quotes from multiple scientists the past week. And there are plenty more. I’ll keep bringing them out, day after day and week after week. I know, they do go against the Nazi-like propaganda of the global warming cult. That’s not an arrestable offense just yet.

    All you do is attack the scientists rather than debate the issues. Seems like you’re living in the global warming bulk email list. Try a spam filter. Might open up your mind a bit. It’s okay to ask questions. You don’t have to take everything they say as The Truth without verifying the data. Are you just going on faith at this point?

    Maybe you should buy guns and canned food, then move to higher ground. Maybe there’s a “camp” for folks like you where you can commune together and worship at the feet of the cult leader. I hear he has a heated pool. I’d recommend avoiding the Kool-aid at his winter swim parties, though.

    LOL


  66. Royston Vasey says:

    To Deny Or To Debate. (aka ‘Is my Scientist better than your Scientist’)
    The following facts that were taken from a BBC News article regarding the work of the European Project for Ice Coning in Antartica ( EPICA )

    The EPICA scientists stated that:
    “Experiments conducted on Antartic ice cores indicate carbon dioxide is at its highest level during the past 650,000 years …”

    In addition,
    ” CO2 is about 30% higher than at any time, … and methane is 130% higher than at any time; ”

    And finally,
    “The rates of increase are absolutely exceptional: for CO2, 200 times faster than at any time in the last 650,000 years.”

    “BBC News” “CO2 Highest for 650,000 Years

    You will note that Al Gore is not mentioned in the article – not as an author of the article, nor as the subject of the article. So do not waste time whining about Al Gore.

    Please can you enlighten us with a scientific explanation as to how a CO2 level that is 30% higher than at any time in the last 650,000 years coupled with a rate of growth that is 200 times faster than any time in the past 650,000 years is not a contributor to global warming.

    Professor James White, a geology professor at the University of Colorado says: “CO2 and climate are like two people handcuffed to each other. Where one goes – the other must follow. Our current CO2 levels appear to be far out of balance when viewed through these results, reinforcing the idea that we have significant modern warming to go.”

    And finally, Greenpeace UK spokesman Ben Stewart said “Lomborg’s work is flawed in several aspects but he still continues to travel around, banging it out to right-wing cheerleaders. Take his position on climate change; he accepts it exists and it is a result of human activity, yet he advocates doing absolutely nothing about it.”


  67. Chocolate Jesus says:

    I’ve provided multiple quotes from multiple scientists the past week.

    That ARENT being paid big salaries by the fossil fuels industry, thanks.
    Word on your reading comprehension…

    Don’t you have any more brilliance from the man who said asbestos coudl have save the world trade center? Do you agree with him about that muckdog? How about his assertion that

    “cult” hahahah. thats funny dude.. that time I checked., most of the religious nuts are on your side.. you know, those ones that think jesus is going to make all the good people evaporate in a cloud of righteousness ?

    Yes, this is all a big cult conspiracy to try to sell books.. yeah.. this wisdom brough to you by the kind philantropists at Exxon and OPEC.. hahah

    Dude.. even Gingritch admitted Inofohofoe was way off base. Is Gingritch a cultist too?


  68. Proud Dem says:

    I think that was the movie Waterworld.
    Comment by USA

    They say life often imitates art…


  69. jay walker says:

    Proud Dem: Mentioning ‘Waterworld’ and ‘Art’ in the same post – funny ;)

    sidenote:

    The earths population has grown exponentially since dunno when.

    1bn in 1800
    3bn in 1960
    over 6 bn today.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

    Basically, what I’m trying to say is: We’re all f*cked.

    (and no, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t go and try something to stop climate change…)

    .


  70. Evil Spaniard says:

    The USA is already postioning in the Water Wars. The big water supplies under Paraguay (maybe the biggest reserve in the world) is already being focused by private nad military interest groups of the USA.

    Also, experiments with privatization of the water supplies have been conducted in South America (resulting in poor people not having access to the ultra expensive water compared to their income).

    The USA oligarchies are taking postion already, and it’s not a nice position.


  71. Raven says:

    Thank you, Evil Spaniard for the post.
    (How close to the Bush family estancia in Paraguay are the wellheads?)


  72. Proud Dem says:

    Mentioning ‘Waterworld’ and ‘Art’ in the same post – funny ;)
    Comment by jay walker

    Well, in the loosest form of the word, anyway.


  73. Evil Spaniard says:

    Raven, probably GW has his own SPA in his pig farm down there :D



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