However, then neither Jake nor Bolton should be surprised when terrorists kill American civilians. Today’s orphans are tomorrow’s terrorists.

Nuff said.

Some advice to the rest of the people here – you can’t argue on-line in this non-linear format. It will never come to anything. Stop feeding the trolls and ignore them.

There was another world leader not that long ago who had similar ideals about ejecting the governments of other nations and inserting his own. That person and his ideals was killed towards the end of the second world war…

Some of us Americans can see this president for who and what he is, and it scares the shit out of us.

The 4th commandment has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. Commandments are Old Testament, Jesus is New Testament.

JC is quite clear on matters of social justice: treat your neighbor well, and do not respond to violence with violence.

You, CaptainKirk, are not a Christian. If you were, you would know that you’d be headed straight to Hell for your lack of Christian morals.

America gave Iraq freedom from a mass-murdering dictator. America should have done a better job maintaining security. However, America has not caused this violence.

The removal of Sadaam got rid of a murderous and torturous regime which controlled every Iraqi through fear, intimidation and death. Without that control in place, people were able to have more freedom to express themselves. If the radical factions would have helped restore Iraq instead of killing each other, we would have been able to leave by now. America has helped setup schools, sewer systems, electrical grids and replaced the country’s currency. What have the militias done? If every contractor and citizen didn’t have to worry about being bombed or beheaded by people loyal to some Sunni or Shiite tribe or militia, Iraq would be a much better and safer place.

The failings of the Bush administrator are no excuse for the murders of innocent Iraqis by Iraqis.

The failings of the news media is no excuse to believe that conservatives do not care about the Iraqi people. Some of the US soldiers are conservatives and I do not believe that they would have just dropped a bunch of bombs to end it all quickly. They have given up being with their families to rebuild Iraq and help provide security for the Iraqs not kill innocent Iraqis.

Notice that the news media tells you everyday of another bombing. Do you really believe that nothing happens in Iraq except bombings, kidnappings and gun fights? Where are the daily stories of progress in Iraq? I believe the situation in Iraq is horrible, but the news media does a horrible job of providing a complete picture.

Should we have deposed Sadaam Hussein?

It’s not that Sadaam Hussein wasn’t a bad person… But using the neo-cons “logic”, we should be deposing bad people the world over.

Who’s next?

I was, and still am, in favor of imprisoning the ones who put him in power in the first place. But that trail inevitably leads back to US intelligence services, so it’s never going to happen.

Who’s next? Are there any other despots in the world that we’ve placed in power? And are we going to invade their countries, just to cover our CIA’s tracks?

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They say the problem in Iraq is the fault of the Iraqis, or opine that life would just all be simpler if we nuked the place…”turn it into a mirror” I believe I once heard a neocon caller to a radio show say. Then there’s the calls to assassinate leaders and convert the masses to Christianity…there’s the indifference to reports of hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths, there’s stark wonderment at why Iraqis dying under our bombs and their families don’t understand we’re there to save them. There is total disregard for the backstory of the Iraqi people, its factions, and its politics and political affiliations. Indeed there is the very dishonesty of invading a country on the basis of manufactured claims, and then using the Iraqi Liberation rhetoric and sloganeering as an afterthought political bandaid to try to explain why we even went there.

The conservatives do not care about the Iraqi people. They never have, and they don’t evince such a tendency as we move into the future. And indeed if there was a point at which they did truly care, their incompetence in planning anything other than bombing campaigns over Iraq can only be seen as the folly of powerful dunces with money and a finger on the button.

Where was BBC before or at the time things were happening..

this is totally irrelevant, anyway haven’t watched BBC after they fired that guy who said they-TonyB and co- are “sexing up” Iraq story

“That their country is a bloody tragedy is all their own fault”

What kind of statement is that? You are not an ‘experienced international worker’ or if you are, you have a reality distortion field around you.

So, your country invades another sovereign state on false claims, provoke chaos and tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of deaths, and then… just leave? I am appalled that you could actually believe that.