VIDEO COMPILATION: Bush Fear-Mongering Reaches Fevered Pitch In Iraq Speech
VIDEO COMPILATION: Bush Fear-Mongering Reaches Fevered Pitch In Iraq Speech
In a speech this morning, President Bush again condemned Congress for failing to give him a blank check for the war in Iraq.
Increasingly desperate, and facing broad public opposition, Bush tried his best to stir up fear with repeated references to September 11 and dark visions of “death and destruction…here in America” if U.S. troops were to withdraw:
They know that the enemies who attacked us on September the 11th, 2001 want to bring further destruction to our country.
One of the lessons of September the 11th is what happens overseas matters to the security of the United States of America.
…to fight the extremists and radicals where they live, so we don’t have to face them where we live.
…they won’t leave us alone — they will follow us to the United States of America.
The consequences of failure in Iraq would be death and destruction in the Middle East and here in America.
We’ll continue to do the hard work necessary to help change the conditions that caused 19 young men to get on airplanes to come and kill thousands of our citizens on September the 11th.
Enemies that could just as easily come here to kill us.
Watch it:
During a press conference today with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), retired Gen. John Johns responded: “You can listen to simplistic statements of the administration, appealing to emotion and fear, or you can take an analytical approach and see the reality of the world. I live in an entirely different world of reality than President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other members of the administration.”
UPDATE: AmericaBlog has another video compilation from today’s speech, and the Carpetbagger has additional analysis.
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If you want to see ACTUAL Fear-Mongering, take a look at the gun control wackos on the Virginia Tech shooting thread. Bush is simply stating the truth above.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:17 pmOnly the truth for Kool-Aide drinkers like Jake.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:20 pmFear-Mongering is a staple of the Fear and Smear party.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:20 pmIf you want to see ACTUAL fear-mongering take a look at Jake’s wacko posts on other threads. Bush is simply his hero.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:21 pmSomeone put that this tired old dog to rest. Like Old Yeller.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:24 pmCan we unretire that General?
April 16th, 2007 at 2:25 pm…and of COURSE our patriotic media asked what does sept 11 have to do with Iraq!!!
No?
April 16th, 2007 at 2:25 pmhe’s losing it and he knows it… it ain’t gonna work, george…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
April 16th, 2007 at 2:25 pmSounds like Dubya is getting ready to crack. Anyone else thinks THIS sounds deja-vu-ish?
Juror #7: [to #3] You’re alone.
Juror #3: I don’t care whether I’m alone or not! It’s my right.
Juror #8: It’s your right.
Juror #3: Well, what do you want? I say he’s guilty.
Juror #8: We want to hear your arguments.
Juror #3: I gave you my arguments!
Juror #8: We’re not convinced. We want to hear them again. We have as much time as it takes.
Juror #3: Everything… every single thing that took place in that courtroom, but I mean everything… says he’s guilty. What d’ya think? I’m an idiot or somethin’? Why don’t cha take that stuff about the old man; the old man who lived there and heard every thing?(1) Or this business about the knife! (2) What, ’cause we found one exactly like it? The old man SAW him. Right there on the stairs. What’s the difference how many seconds it was? Every single thing. The knife falling through a hole in his pocket (3)… you can’t PROVE he didn’t get to the door! Sure, you can take all the time hobblin’ around the room, but you can’t PROVE it! And what about this business with the El? And the movies! There’s a phony deal if I ever heard one. I betcha five thousand dollars I’d remember the movies I saw! I’m tellin’ ya: every thing that’s gone on has been twisted… and turned. This business with the glasses. How do you know she didn’t have ‘em on? This woman testified in open court! And what about hearin’ the kid yell… huh? I’m tellin’ ya, I’ve got all the facts here…
Juror #3: [He struggles with his notebook, throws it on the table. The photo of him with his son is on top] Here… Ah. Well, that’s it – that’s the whole case!
[He turns towards the window as the other jurors stare at him]
Juror #3: Well… say something! You lousy bunch of bleedin’ hearts. You’re not goin’ to intimidate me – I’m entitled to my opinion!
[He sees the picture of his son on the table]
Juror #3: Rotten kids… you work your life out!
[He grabs the picture and tears it to pieces. He suddenly realizes what he's doing]
Juror #3: [Breaks down] No. Not guilty. Not guilty.
(1) replace the old man with Colin Powell
April 16th, 2007 at 2:25 pm(2) replace the knife with WMDs
(3) replace hole in the pocket with shipped to Syria
Jake,
I know that your a big fan of hypotheticals. You gave one the other day concerning the eradication of HIV through monogamy.
I have on for you. If we got rid of all the guns in this country, couldn’t we assume that no one would get shot? Just curious how you like that hypothetical.
(For the record, I am not for abolishing gun rights. I have a nice Desert Eagle in Closet at home. Also for the record, I think hypotheticals like the one I put above are totally counter-productive. I just want to make the point)
April 16th, 2007 at 2:26 pm9/11 could have been prevented with competent leadership. All of Bush’s bullshit rhetoric is based on assumptions that were long ago proven wrong. It is equally plausible to say that terrorism would stop if this administration was held accountable for its incompetence and impeached.
Bush is a liar not based in reality.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:26 pmIt’s a pleasure to see this SOBing murdering war pig make a complete fool of himself.
At this point, now that the moneys gone, his biggest concern is making sure the results of his criminal activities are handed to someone else in ‘08.
I mean, it’s getting bad enough that they are trying to off-load his nightmare right now, and nobody wants it . . . imagine that.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:26 pmPoor Ba$tard.
Retired Gen. John Johns response was perfect!
April 16th, 2007 at 2:26 pmJake,
I know that your a big fan of hypotheticals. You gave one the other day concerning the eradication of HIV through monogamy.
I have on for you. If we got rid of all the guns in this country, couldn’t we assume that no one would get shot? Just curious how you like that hypothetical.
(For the record, I am not for abolishing gun rights. I have a nice Desert Eagle in my closet at home. Also for the record, I think hypotheticals like the one I put above are totally counter-productive. I just want to make the point)
April 16th, 2007 at 2:26 pmThey will follow us??? How? What airline will bring them in? What ships? Will they pool their money and charter a freighter? Where will it dock? What idiocy… They will follow us? Really?? Why would they follow us after we do what they want, which is to LEAVE?
People who believe this think that putting a loaded pistol in your baby carriage will keep your kid from being kidnapped. Are Americans really this stupid? By God, I think we are.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:27 pmIf anyone NOT on the ignore list wants to discuss with me why I’m a spineless neoncon d*ckslurper, please let me know.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:27 pmThere’s no fool like an old fool, that’s certain as Bush grabs at straws to foist a fear-mongering agenda on this country once again. As another saying goes: First time, shame on you! Second time, shame on me!! And this country will never be fooled by Bush’s chicanery again.
What is even more curious and points to the level of sheer exasperation he is experiencing pre-collapse (as I’ve heard rumored to be occurring this week ) is that he would intentionally keep drawing correlations to this war and 911. I guess you can’t teach and old dog new tricks and his handlers had better be careful what they are asking for.
What this continues to do is simply to raise the critical mass to a fever pitch regarding the impropable collapse of the twin towers. That investigation is also coming and the entire official story has now been debunked by scientists.
I suspect that this is Bush’s “swan song” – this spectacle will undoubtedly begin to get even more pathetic as his lameduck, stolen presidency draws to it’s conclusion.
The outrage and suspicion surrounding this president himself has now reached what is called “critical mass” and the tsunami called “accountability” is rapidly approaching Bush’s inner sanctum.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:29 pmAnd his “they will follow us” banter is really just a visible symptom of his ongoing psychiatric illness – paranoia personified.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:30 pm“…take a look at Jake’s wacko posts on other threads…
Comment by Republicans Are The Fear And Smear Party — April 16, 2007 ”
may i recommend the abstinence thread from last friday.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:31 pm“Enemies that could just as easily come here to kill us”
Gee, sure is great to hear his confidence in this country’s security! Apparently, we’ve made great progress since 9/11!
April 16th, 2007 at 2:31 pmHe’s looking increasingly desperate, that strengthens the Democrats posistion
April 16th, 2007 at 2:31 pmGWB’s comments are nothing new; this is all that he has left to offer – fear. Nothing else and no solutions; only fear.
Fear may motivate those in the rapture-obsessed, fundamentalist Sunday school, but it is no longer working among the growing number of people who are beginning to open their eyes, starting to use that grey matter between their ears, and are waking up to the fact as to just how fundamentally bankrupt this administration is.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:32 pmI guess that Bush never read the story about the boy who cried “Wolf”. No one is listening to him any more and he just doesn’t get it. We’re on to you Georgie boy. We know why you took us into Iraq. I’ll spell it out for you slowly so you may possibly understand. It was for O I L! And once we get it, you will all of a sudden see the light and say that we need to get our military out of harm’s way.
George Bush, the description of evil. May you rot in hell!
April 16th, 2007 at 2:33 pmOnly those people who have no ability to think critically continue to believe Bush’s “bumper sticker” rhetoric. He’s been wrong for four years. Saying it again doesn’t make it right.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:33 pmNo, Crump’s Brother, we can’t unring that bell — Israel would still manufacture the Uzi which would be smuggled into the U.S., especially now that law enforcement don’t have any guns either — in fact, how would the U.S. military ever defend against an invasion then? It was a good try at a hypothetical though — keep it up — I don’t think is was counter-productive at all. The only dumb question is the one not asked.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:34 pmBush and his evil twin, The Dick, Cheney are falling into their self-created abyss. Dick’s on the tube spouting off his foolishness while the Shrub is on another. No one is listening to this two village idiots any longer. They’ve tarnished the american dream and have made toilet paper of our constitution; They’ve tanked our economy and put us into debt for the next century; they’ve killed innocent members of our military by enlisting them in a war based on lies and deception; they’ve squandered the respect of the offices they hold, and they’ve destroyed our democracy.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:35 pmAll the Rethugs have is Fear, Hate and their religion of hate. Fear the things you hate and hate the things you fear.
This cowardly morons are as un-American as it’s possible to get.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:35 pmNot sure why my post came up twice.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:35 pm#20: good point! Of course, Bush failed to stop the terrorists on 9/11, the worst terrorist attack ever to occur on American soil. And he failed to respond to Katrina. He should rightly be worried about being unable to stop another threat — he has proven his incompetence time and time again.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:37 pmThis chickenhawk has just told tooooo many lies. He is plainly cowaring to the corner where he will gather his pen to strike down the will of the people.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:37 pmRemember, the dufuss strolling across the deck of the aircraft carrier puffing his naked chest (lack of metals) to the crowd. Looks like he’s in full retreat with Nancy Pelosi in full pursuit.
When the veto comes you can throw out the table upon which his furried pen has gouged its finish.
They will follow us. Oh, really? And we can’t stop it, right? I think that says a whole hell of a lot about the competency of the WH and Federal Agencies.
Or is the premise bullcrap?
April 16th, 2007 at 2:37 pmSounds like in a single Iraq speech President Bush got to all of the Top 10 GOP Sound Bites.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:38 pmNo. 9 Comment by slappymagoo — April 16, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
You asked:
“Anyone else thinks THIS sounds deja-vu-ish?”
Smashingly right on! Bravo slappymagoo!
Brilliant of you to bring the script from the classic movie “Twelve Angry Men” back to life here in 2007. How appropriate!
I wish I had thought to do that.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:39 pmWe are already facing the extremists, the fascists and enemies of freedom over here. Except they dont follow the teachings of a man named Mohammed they follow a man named Leo Strauss.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:39 pmKill kill fear kill kill kill 9/11 kill murder torture kill fear kill kill kill.
Die.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:40 pmLet the frightened Bush worshippers spend their days under their beds quivering in fear.
Proud Americans don’t live in fear.
Losers do.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:40 pmaWol has nothing to offer but fear and lies. Splainin’ away 6 years of incompentence, ineptitude, and disconnectedness, is not easy, and in fact no one is listening. The bushies have zero credibility.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:41 pmwill someone please inform him that the more he resites the tragedy of 911 for political purposes the more americans hate him.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:42 pmJake,
I think you missed it. In your hypothetical, the monogamy would have to be world wide in order to stop HIV. The gun ban would have to work the same way. So no, Israel would not be manufacturing the UZI.
The real point however that I wanted to make, is that working in hypotheticals that deal only in absolutes never work. I agree that a gun ban will never work, but neither will a monogamy mandate.
(I’m sorry that I have digressed this far on this post, I will now drop this)
April 16th, 2007 at 2:42 pmAbsolutely astounding, the way he can go on and on, and offer the same lame excuse six different ways.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:43 pmThe guys behind him don’t look like they’re buying it either.
What is happening to George’s mouth?
It looks like it is kinking downward in the corners, and his jaw is receding towards his neck… (maybe he caught something from Lieberman…)
At any rate, he’s not looking real good……….
What a pathetic little man. Did you catch the trademark smirk at the ending of “Enemies that could just as easily come here to kill us”?
April 16th, 2007 at 2:43 pmHe must really think we’re a bunch of pussies. Terrorist want to f’ck with us here? Bring it on you half-witted superstitious jack*sses. If this is war, then let’s get the whole nation on board. There is nothing we can’t accomplish and we could work to neutralize the threat.
Which, of course, is the greatest nightmare of the Bush administration and the White House – if the nation would realize it didn’t need them as protectors.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:44 pmYes, it’s just fear-mongering. Because as we all know, nothing happened before BushCo’s dastardly plan to invade Iraq for oil.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:44 pmIt’s simple…. bush is the “war president” and the cheney/rove plan to justify the removal of civil and privacy rights based on the president’s say so hinges on continually being at “war on terror.” The question already raised in this thread is “What about all the money you’ve spent on the super duper Home Land Security Agency? What about all the controls in place to get in and out of the USA? Are you saying they will not work?”
April 16th, 2007 at 2:46 pmmay i recommend the abstinence thread from last friday.
Comment by pgw
Now he’s tying the shootings at Va Tech with Karl Rove. It’s senile dementia, I tell you.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:46 pmNo. 16 Comment by Jake — April 16, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
Well Jake, I’ve been underestimating you! You really have something important to say and know who you are. Glad you told us yourself. Kinda saves us the effort of telling you what you already know.
You finally admitted:
“I’m a spineless neoncon d*ckslurper”
You know, your description has a ring to it, did you notice? Kind of like Blapity, blapity blitity blap. Keep it up Jake, its more music to my ears.
BwaaaHaaa Haaa
April 16th, 2007 at 2:47 pmOn PBS last night they had a two hour program on the origins of Bin Laden and Al-Queda. After the invasion of Afghanistan Bin Laden et al. were on the run, considerably weakened, and losing converts, since the Afghans had not joined them in fighting the US/NATO forces. The invasion of Iraq was a huge gift to them – they could not believe that Bush has been so stupid as to send troops into the heart of Arab territory. Since then Bin Laden has been on the rise, and as we all know, the US is doing just what Bin Laden had predicted: losing treasure and prestige in a war of attrition.
‘We’re waist deep in the Big Muddy, and the big fool says to push on.’ (The song that got the Smothe’rs Brothers kicked off CBS)
April 16th, 2007 at 2:47 pmI wonder if he really believes that BS that he spews?
Is he really that frigging ignorant or does he just think we are?
April 16th, 2007 at 2:47 pmDale,
This to me is the most noteworthy entry on that list after 9-11
Bombing of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, April 19, 1995: “Right-wing” extremists Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols destroyed the Federal Building in Oklahoma City with a massive truck bomb that killed 166 and injured hundreds more in what was up to then the largest terrorist attack on American soil.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:49 pmOh, a WORLD-WIDE gun ban?! Well, toot my horn and stop the train — that’s different — I guess we could all finally join hands with Sheryl Crow then about the “Best way to solve problems is not have enemies.” If you also think no one is ever going to use ANY other weapon, explosive, etc., against anyone else, then you have a point, I guess. In MY hypothetical, Crump’s Brother, sex within marriage only WOULD have worked to stop the HIV/AIDS crisis (unless the gays get married, of course).
April 16th, 2007 at 2:52 pmOh, a WORLD-WIDE gun ban?! Well, toot my horn and stop the train — that’s definitely different than “in this country” isn’t it — I guess we could then all finally join hands with Sheryl Crow and sing the “Best way to solve problems is not have enemies.” If you also think no one is ever going to use ANY other weapon, explosive, etc., against anyone else, then you have a point, I guess. In MY hypothetical, Crump’s Brother, sex within marriage only WOULD have worked to stop the HIV/AIDS crisis (unless the gays get married, of course).
April 16th, 2007 at 2:54 pmI have on for you. If we got rid of all the guns in this country, couldn’t we assume that no one would get shot? Just curious how you like that hypothetical.
Comment by Crump’s Brother
No you cant…because…
1) Criminals already ignore the laws.
2) Patriotic Americans will make or smuggle them in.
3) The U.S. Consitution gives us the DUTY to secure our own freedoms FROM a tyranical government 1st and outsiders 2nd.
Its funny how some people pick a choose the parts of the U.S. Constitution they want to support.
Citizens right to fire arms is just as important as the Congress controlling the declaration of war and the payment for the continuation of war. Just as important as the seperation of church and state. The WHOLE lesson of the American revolution is that bad people can get control of your government and do bad things to you unless you are willing to pick up a gun with your fellow citizens and change things… how could you ever miss that lesson?
April 16th, 2007 at 2:57 pm#50: MY hypothetical . . . sex within marriage only WOULD have worked to stop the HIV/AIDS crisis. Right. It WOULD have worked, except it’s unworkable. Just like a ban on all guns worldwide WOULD work to stop gun violence, except it’s also unworkable. MORON. I call you that without fear, because I’m already on your childish Ignore List.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:57 pm#49, that’s the most noteworthy? All of the many, many terrorist attacks mentioned, and you pull out one of only two perpetrated by “right-wing” (the other taking place in the West Bank), and call that the “most noteworthy”?
No comment on the thousands upon thousands of deaths in the REST of the terrorist attacks?
April 16th, 2007 at 2:58 pmWell said.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:59 pm“I guess we could all finally join hands with Sheryl Crow then about the “Best way to solve problems is not have enemies.—
making fun of a cancer survivor? classy.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:00 pmhypotheticals only work when Jake uses them. Otherwise it’s an offensive attach at well established foundations of this country. So you can’t use hypotheticals, you can only attempt to reply to Jasons’. It’s simple. Just like Jake. You can only answer his, you can’t use your own.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:01 pmProfmarcus (Post #8):
What I worry about is that his threatening stance had better work… or else Mr. President might call his buddy Osama bin Laden again for ANOTHER, even more terrifying terrorist attack than 9/11.
If we lose the fear of the Bush Administration, then Karl Rove knows that all he needs to do is begin the next attack.
And THAT scares the SHEOL outta me.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:01 pmGGibson,
If you had read my earlier posts, you would have noticed that I am not actually for a gun ban. I own a hand gun, and I am a supporter of the 2nd Amendment. Your like a child that has walked into the middle of a conversation with adults and must put there two cents worth in without knowing what the hell is going on.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:02 pmOne of the lessons of September the 11th is what happens overseas matters to the security of the United States of America.
For example… If you kill a bunch of civilians and call it a war on drugs…. or if you kill a bunch of people to get their oil… or if you overthrow a popular government and install a puppet killer in its place… you can EXPECT that those people over there will want revenge on people over here… because THATS THE GOLDEN RULE…
What comes around goes around. If we dont stop our government from doing this crap to people over there they will hate us here… no matter how good our hollywood movies are…
April 16th, 2007 at 3:02 pmggibson:
He already changed the hypothetical to a WORLD-WIDE ban, so I assume that means the Anti-Christ has taken over and the 2nd Amendment was repealed as well.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:02 pm#56, that’s right Jake, Sheryl has the Moral Authority Card… she’s off-limits.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:02 pmI would really like to see the video with General Johns and Harry Reid posted on this site- Bush gets video and the sane response should have video too.
Thanks!
April 16th, 2007 at 3:04 pm“We’ll continue to do the hard work necessary to help change the conditions that caused 19 young men to get on airplanes to come and kill thousands of our citizens on September the 11th.”
No matter how many times the president threatens to veto our legislation that would do so or the vice president accuses us of “bad behaviour” when we pursue international diplomacy that would do so. We will continue to do the hard work that the president is actively making harder than it really needs to be.
(Because hey, if being an elected official were easy, we would have shipped our jobs overseas to save taxpayer money on the high salaries we’re giving ourselves.)
April 16th, 2007 at 3:04 pmDon’t we kind sorta have a Dept. of Homeland Defense and a bunch of other spy agencies and defense contractors that have been paid untold billions to well…protect us? Won’t the troops coming home kinda be like a very well trained force of deterance? Pardon me President Stupid, but I am not too scared anymore. You see a lot of flag decals and support the troop ribbons, our people are committed! Aren’t they? Oh man, you people have me confused! Don’t we have a bunch of crack troops called Minutemen protecting our borders? I’m sure guys like Jake would take a bullet for any of us here in the homeland, because all American blood is sacred…isn’t it?
April 16th, 2007 at 3:05 pmThe Second Amendment has never been held to protect an individual’s right to bear arms.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:05 pmJake,
But in your infinite wisdom, and crappy unworkable hyppothetical, you would impose monogamy on all the people of the world? How would you achieve that kind of legislation exactly. My hypothetical is unworkable, and therefore it is unhelpful. Your’s is the same. That was my only point.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:06 pmCrump’s Brother
For the record, I understood that your hypothetical was a device to counter Jake’s all-too-frequent and illogical use of hypotheticals.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:06 pmGeneral John Johns is right on the money about Chimpy and his thugs living in an alternate reality.
Chimpy and his thugs and the Repukes and the Religious Right all live in Chimpy’s Bizarro World, where we can win in Iraq and we are bringing freedom to them.
Those people are all delusional.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:07 pmbecause THATS THE GOLDEN RULE
Actually, no it’s not.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:08 pmFor the record, I already said Crump’s Brother’s hypothetical was NOT counter-productive at all. The only dumb question is the one not asked.
Speaking of which, you haven’t answered these questions yet:
1) how would the U.S. military ever defend against an invasion then?
2) a WORLD-WIDE gun ban . . . that’s definitely different than “in this country†isn’t it?
3) I guess we could then all finally join hands with Sheryl Crow and sing the “Best way to solve problems is not have enemies†right?
April 16th, 2007 at 3:08 pm“she’s off-limits.”
you can say what you like. if you choose to be classless, that’s your right.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:09 pmPLC,
Thanks PLC. It was my only point.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:09 pmPlease excuse my brother Jake, he’s a bit developmentally disadvantaged. We humor him when he claims to be a 75-year-old Korean war vet, kind of like Teddy Roosevelt in Arsenic and Old Lace.
Thank God he found the internet to keep himself occupied. I hope he hasn’t been too disruptive. Thanks for keeping an eye on him.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:10 pmThanks for the head’s up, Dale — I’ll switch to bashing Rosie O’Donnell then ; )
April 16th, 2007 at 3:10 pmComment by Crump’s Brother
If you dont like my comment then ignore it. I really dont care about your sore feelings.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:10 pmWell said, Jake’s brother.
For the record, I am not Jake’s brother posting under another name to agree with myself so that it seems like I have more friends than I actually do.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:11 pmNo. 30 Comment by theswan — April 16, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
You said:
“This chickenhawk has just told tooooo many lies. He is plainly cowaring to the corner where he will gather his pen to strike down the will of the people.”
Yeah this would fit Bush to a tee. Not even his phony religious sanctimony will work for him. (He believes that God is on his shoulder telling him things like “go into Iraq”. What he doesn’t know is that it was the devil that whispered in his ear after he sold his soul to him back on that beach in 1986.) Bush reminds me of the old “Twilight Zone” episodes where the devil gives the person whatever he wants (here the most powerful man in the world title, POTUS) but claims his sole to be redeemed at a later date. Who would have thought back then that life would be imitating art at the beginning of the twenty first century. The devil is knocking at the door Georgie and it is for thee that the bell does toll!
Not Cheney though. He will go down like Saadam did, full of bluff & bluster right to the end, booming his fantasy (I’m the pres… er Vice President! How dare you talk to me like that!”)
April 16th, 2007 at 3:12 pmThanks for clearing that up, spot.
I’m not Jake’s brother, either. I really, really agree with Spot, and with jake’s brother. Honest.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:12 pmfresh in: Smirking Chimp has a new thread about how the GOP is “owned” by Big Pharma. Anyone surprised? I guess it’s a triumverate ownership, though: Big Pharma, Big Insurance AND Big Oil – own this GOP and the White House, lock – stock – and barrel.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:12 pmCrump’s Brother
And as we can see by Jake’s continuing posts/drivel is that the only point he has is the the one at the top of his head.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:12 pmWhy isn’t it pre-4/19 thinking?
I remember the local news that day. The initial (false) reports were pointing fingers at Mid-Eastern radicals. Turns out the sick fcks were white christians.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:13 pmcheck it out – http://www.smirkingchimp.com
April 16th, 2007 at 3:13 pmYes, it’s just fear-mongering. Because as we all know, nothing happened before BushCo’s dastardly plan to invade Iraq for oil.
Actually, not TRUE.
3000 Americans died because of the TERRORISM of SAUDI ARABIANS.
Bush’s FRIENDS.
Like “Bandar Bush”, so named by the Bush family…
The SAUDIS are STILL funding the Sunnis in Iraq against the Americans. The Saudi KING said two weeks ago we were ILLEGAL OCCUPIERS.
Bush’s “FRIENDS”.
See you in hell Domestic Terrorist jake (cause I’LL be THERE),
April 16th, 2007 at 3:13 pmMr. Bush
MURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR TO THE USA
“For The Recordâ€
Uh, I think you’re a bit behind the times. The money quote:
April 16th, 2007 at 3:13 pm
Jake,
Yes, I modified my hypothetical to better match the intent of yours.
How would we defend our country? EXACTLY JAKE!! It’s unworkable!!! How would you enforce a monogamy mandate? You can’t.
And I have no idea what the hell Sheryll Crow has to do with anything.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:13 pmI agree with house, spot and jake’s brother. I think they’re all smart and well-spoken.
For the record, I am not any of them, as far as you know.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:14 pm…”as un-american as you can get”….what can you expect from 3 Deferrment Cheney and AWOL reservist Bush?? American patriotism? Certainly not – it’s FAUX PATRIOTISM at it’s finest.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:15 pmYAWN !
April 16th, 2007 at 3:15 pmThe Second Amendment has never been held to protect an individual’s right to bear arms.
Comment by And You Thought REAGAN Was Stupid
The history of this country is the precendent that proves otherwise. Unlike the seperation of church and state that was clarified by the personal writings of the founding fathers the right to bear arms has never been clarified to mean only for the government… in fact that would go against the very ability for the founding fathers to have won against the british… the british were the government … and the people had to use guns to change that.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:15 pmI’m glad she’s survived cancer; but what does having cancer have to do with anything? If someone has cancer, then they’re off-limits? Does that mean Tony Snow is off-limits? What about heart disease… are *they* off-limits also?
It’s not a matter of class… if he had referenced Crowe’s cancer, you’d have a point… but he didn’t.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:15 pmNoticed the headline of a newspaper in the grocery store today where Bush is pleading with Laura to cancel the divorce – amid his total breakdown. From the clip on this thread, I’d say we’re seeing his breakdown up close and personal right now. He needs some meds; after all, Big Pharma owns this WH so there should be plenty of psychtropic pharmacia to go aroud.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:17 pmbecause THATS THE GOLDEN RULE
Actually, no it’s not.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC)
Actually yes it is. If you DONT treat others like you expect to be treated they WILL give it back to you in kind.
There are two sides to the coin…. Do unto others as you would have them do to you…. BUT if you dont…. they will do to you the evil you did to them…
April 16th, 2007 at 3:17 pmGGibson,
Are you kidding? I point out that you have no idea what your talking about, and want me to ignore you? Gladly!
My feelings aren’t sore. I pity you. Have a nice day!
April 16th, 2007 at 3:18 pmGuess that’s why Bush Sr. just purchased 175,000 acres of property in Paraguay – I’ve heard they do not prosecute war criminals there.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:18 pmAnd I have no idea what the hell Sheryll Crow has to do with anything.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — April 16, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
Didn’t you know, CB? Right-wingers feel more comfortable when they can link policies of the left to an easily identifiable celebrity, particularly so if the celebrity can be shallowly ridiculed using only common, everyday right-wing shorthand.
Pathetic, I know. But when you’ve got to play the hand they’ve been dealt, you find yourself doing some pretty absurd things.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:19 pmHey trolls….It’s called karma and get ready because some of it’s coming your way and sooner than later.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:19 pm#92… uh, National Enquirer? Right next to the shot of Elvis as ambassador to Mars?
April 16th, 2007 at 3:21 pmWere not scared Terrorist-In-Chief!!! Send your family to Iraq, not others.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:22 pmThank you, Dale — I was just looking for that case cite — no need to worry about defending me on Sheryl Crow. They don’t understand anyways.
P.S. Crump’s Brother — don’t worry about Sheryl Crow — maybe Rosie O’Donnell or the Dixie Chicks are more your speed. As for “enforcing” my hypothetical, it certainly wouldn’t be through passing legislation (although I would get rid of no-fault divorce laws if I could). That would take genuine heart changes and couples dedicating their marriages to Jesus Christ, selflessly loving each other and serving each other as He did the church. Think of it as a self-imposed slavery.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:22 pm#97, what’s the matter… tired of linking to that bastion of intelligence that you normally link to?
April 16th, 2007 at 3:24 pmI love my country but FEAR my government.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:24 pm“If someone has cancer, then they’re off-limits?”
you can say whatever you want about whoever you want. but i didn’t introduce sheryl crow into the “Bush Fear-Mongering Reaches Fever Pitch In Iraq Speech” thread. although, i must say that i’m happy that a 75-year-old man knows so much about sheryl’s work. word to vh-1.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:26 pmMy feelings aren’t sore.
Comment by Crump’s Brother
Ya and thats why you had to comment on it…
Unlike Imus I wont take people like you trying to tell me how to talk. If I want to comment on something you said in a public forum it is not neccessary directed at you and it most certainly doesnt need your permission nor acceptance.
But by all means continue defending your hurt feelings.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:26 pm“P.S. Crump’s Brother — don’t worry about Sheryl Crow — maybe Rosie O’Donnell or the Dixie Chicks are more your speed. As for “enforcing†my hypothetical, it certainly wouldn’t be through passing legislation (although I would get rid of no-fault divorce laws if I could). That would take genuine heart changes and couples dedicating their marriages to Jesus Christ, selflessly loving each other and serving each other as He did the church. Think of it as a self-imposed slavery.”
oddly enough this would end gun violence as well. but since Jake lives in fantasyland with the other bible-thumpers, he will miss the irony.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:26 pmOld Jake the Fake is back with his tired USELESS and BASELESS rhetorical slurs of woulda, coulda, shoulda!!!
You would figure by now that some intelligence would have founds its way into his mental roledex by now, but, alas, this guys continues to show that he is IGNORANCE personified…
BUSH went back to his worn out talking points, again???!!!??? Dayum, you think he could come up with something new!But, nope! The jackass STILL believes that he can sell that BS to America again!
But hey, with nuthuggers like Jake, that gives him confidence that at least he has the IGNORANT minority of Americans who still trust this j*ckass…
Yeah, 30% of the people believe you, and for him, that’s better than ZERO, because even the BIGOTS, LIARS, MOLESTERS, and THIEVES need a role model! In the REPUBLICAN party, the tent is LARGE ENOUGH for them!
April 16th, 2007 at 3:27 pmComment by Jake
If you didnt say so many stupid things on this site you would not have to try half as hard as you do … stupid things like “dedicating their marriages to Jesus Christ”…
April 16th, 2007 at 3:28 pmUh, I think you’re a bit behind the times. The money quote:
Yes, Lawrence Silberman, the right-wing PARTISAN HACK who aided Reagan’s IRAN/CONTRA CRIMINALS
April 16th, 2007 at 3:29 pmCrump’s Brother — don’t worry about Sheryl Crow — maybe Rosie O’Donnell or the Dixie Chicks are more your speed.
Comment by Jake — April 16, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
See what I mean? Pathetic.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:30 pmwags:
Single people would still kill using guns. Andrea Yates would still drown her kids. Sorry, but no irony there.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:31 pmYou’re citing a case from the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas as precedent? Pretty funny.
Here are some Supreme Court cites for you:
“the ‘obvious purpose’ of the Second Amendment was to ‘assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness’ of the state militia.” U.S. v. Miller.
no individual right to keep and bear arms under the Second Amendment — Quillici v. Morton Grove.
Since the Miller decision, lower federal and state courts have addressed the meaning of the Second Amendment in more than thirty cases. In every case, up until March of 1999 (see below), the courts decided that the Second Amendment refers to the right to keep and bear arms only in connection with a state militia.
Here’s how it works in the U.S.: Find a Supreme Court decision that overcomes my Supreme Court cites, or you lose.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:32 pmIf you DONT treat others like you expect to be treated they WILL give it back to you in kind.
There are two sides to the coin…. Do unto others as you would have them do to you…. BUT if you dont…. they will do to you the evil you did to them…
Comment by ggibson
That may be the GIBSON RULE, an expectation of what people WILL do, but it is not the Golden Rule, an expectation of what people SHOULD do.
Our laws say you should not steal, not that you should steal if someone steals from you.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:32 pmIF Bush believes that : “the enemies who attacked us on September the 11th, 2001 want to bring further destruction to our country.”
THEN: Why didn’t he and this administration pursue the perpetrators and its backers….instead of invading Iraq…which had no relevance to the attack? He is chanting irrelevant pap again.
This administration is destroying America and the Earth with their insistance on corporate quarterly bottom line ober allus and I am sick, sick, sick of the little tyrant who couldn’t.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:33 pmThat’s right, ggibson — keep insulting the hard-working and God-fearing middle class Christians who built this country — more than 90% according to recent polls. At least Gov. Thompson had the brains to only insult the Jews ; )
April 16th, 2007 at 3:34 pm#103, you’re correct, Jake introduced her. But your assertion that he is not showing class because he mentioned her is absurd. If he had poked fun at her cancer, then I also would be all over him. But he mentioned a statement she had made.
So does referencing someone who suffered through (and survived, thank God) a possibly-fatal disease make that person “no class“?
April 16th, 2007 at 3:34 pmFor the RECORD:
Your flag decal won’t get you into heaven anymore
They’re already overcrowded from your dirty little war
Jesus don’t like killin’, no matter WHAT the reason’s for
And your flag decal won’t get you into heaven anymore
So much for Bush, Jake the DOMESTIC TERRORIST, Dale, Cheney, or the rest of you Nazi having ANYTHING TO DO WITH
Jesus.
See you in hell Terrorist jake and Nazi Dale (cause I’LL be THERE),
Mr. Bush
April 16th, 2007 at 3:35 pmMURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR TO THE USA
“For The Recordâ€
“If you didnt say so many stupid things on this site you would not have to try half as hard as you do … stupid things like “dedicating their marriages to Jesus Christâ€â€¦
Comment by ggibson — April 16, 2007″
amen to that.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:35 pmjake, i meant the whole devote one’s life to jesus thing, following in his example.
kudos for missing the point.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:36 pmThat would take genuine heart changes and couples dedicating their marriages to Jesus Christ, selflessly loving each other and serving each other as He did the church.
Comment by Jake — April 16, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
This comment demonstrates Jake’s pretender status as a Christian thinker as clearly as any of his other posts display his failure at political discourse.
Jesus Christ didn’t “selflessly and lovingly serve the church.” The Church didn’t exist until after his death and resurrection. By Christian doctrine, the only entities Jesus served while in this world were his Father, and his brothers and sisters on earth, as commanded by his Father.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:36 pmDale:
Her POLITICAL statement about the war in Iraq, no less.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:36 pmAt least Gov. Thompson had the brains to only insult the Jews ; )
Comment by Jake — April 16, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
Winky face emoticon or not, this is still just an appalling statement. But not at all out of character for our lovable TP troll-jester Jake.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:40 pm“Jesus Christ didn’t “selflessly and lovingly serve the church.†The Church didn’t exist until after his death and resurrection. By Christian doctrine, the only entities Jesus served while in this world were his Father, and his brothers and sisters on earth, as commanded by his Father.”
He did, in a way. the ‘church’ was God’s community on this earth, not so much an organized doctrinal body. I’m not defending Jake, but i just want to clarify.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:40 pm“At least Gov. Thompson had the brains to only insult the Jews ; )”
dale, you’re right. he’s all class.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:40 pmIf Bush really cared about the troops, he would’nt have sent them to Iraq to begin with based on manipulated and fabricated intelligence!
April 16th, 2007 at 3:41 pmThat may be the GIBSON RULE, an expectation of what people WILL do, but it is not the Golden Rule, an expectation of what people SHOULD do.
Our laws say you should not steal, not that you should steal if someone steals from you.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC)
True but then there is reality. And reality says if you murder a bunch of Iraqis…. no matter what their religion says they will want revenge…
The golden rule as you said is what you SHOULD do… reality on the other hand has to take into account what happens when people dont do what they should do… and so should we in our foreign policy.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:42 pmcounting the days………
April 16th, 2007 at 3:42 pmWow, looks like Jason put the Cross before the bearer.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:42 pmHe needs some meds; after all, Big Pharma owns this WH so there should be plenty of psychtropic pharmacia to go aroud.
Comment by veritas — April 16, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
Too bad “you can’t fix stupid” so we can only partially improve the President.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:42 pmThis idiot is president because some people vote with their asses.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:43 pmHere we have it. George W. Bush doing his best imitation of Osama Bin Laden. He should get his just reward for doing the work of terrorists. Oh, that’s right. George W. Bush already has his reward. Hundreds of new terrorists sign up every day to get us out of the Middle East. George, they won’t come here. You’re the fear monger of choice for them already.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:43 pmForgot to add…
Enemies that could just as easily come here to kill us.
Ha ha ha. Not even the Russians with Stalin believe this kind of crap.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:45 pmThat’s right, ggibson — keep insulting the hard-working and God-fearing middle class Christians who built this country — more than 90% according to recent polls. At least Gov. Thompson had the brains to only insult the Jews ; )
Comment by Jake
I grew up a rightwing christian… you are all a bunch of fakes (gay meth sex?) …. I went to three churches growing up… why three? Well just like at the big mega churches my little churches here in Kokomo, IN broke up because the preacher and or his wife was having sex with people that went to that church…. the christian church == hypocrisy…
The nazis thought they were all rightoues also… but instead they were self-righteous … just like Americas evangelicals.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:45 pmdon’t worry about Sheryl Crow — maybe Rosie O’Donnell or the Dixie Chicks are more your speed.
Comment by Jake — April 16, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
See what I mean? Pathetic.
Comment by KRank — April 16, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
So true. Fortunately all five women could kick Jake’s ass, verbally, intellectually and physically. That’s why he fears strong women.
Personally, as a woman, I’d love to slam his privates in his bible because all that thumping he does with it gives me a headache.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:49 pmNo doubt Master Manipulator Bush will attempt to use this shooting tragedy to trump up the “fear card” tonight or tomorrow! I’d be surprised if he can hold himself from wetting his pants until tomorrow on this opportunity. He’s so transparent – his sickness is so transparent.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:49 pmEnemies that could just as easily come here to kill us.
Ha ha ha. Not even the Russians with Stalin believe this kind of crap.
Comment by Juan C
But they haven’t come here to kill us, because Dear Leader is protecting us. We will be safe as long as he is president. The Islamists will kill us in our beds if a Democrat becomes president.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:50 pm/sarcasm
he sounds desperate… anyone else tired of the expression, “the lessons of 9/11?”
way to go, John Johns!
April 16th, 2007 at 3:50 pmPersonally, as a woman, I’d love to slam his privates in his bible because all that thumping he does with it gives me a headache.
Comment by Shane
Personally, I wouldn’t want to get that close! Maybe we could plink ‘em off with a slingshot.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:51 pmIf Bush really cared about the troops, he would’nt have sent them to Iraq to begin with based on manipulated and fabricated intelligence!
Comment by American
If American citizens have the decency to put their lives on the line to be American soldiers the LEAST the president can do is have the decency to ONLY use their sacrifice for the defense of America.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:51 pmwags:
Oh, so you meant the WHOLE WORLD too, just like Crump’s Brother?
ggibson:
Sounds like you had problems growing up with people who were NOT Christians.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:54 pmEnemies that could just as easily come here to kill us.
Ha ha ha. Not even the Russians with Stalin believe this kind of crap.
Comment by Juan C
Doesn’t it point to the atrocious job Bush has done on immigration and border security? How could the terrorists follow us over here, if Bush had done an adequate job on immigration, and sealing our borders? Anyone who believes the assertion that “Enemies that could just as easily come here to kill us,” is stating de facto that Bush can’t be trusted to secure the borders, so we must fight them over there.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:55 pmJake’s ball taken to ER!
Prognosis: No damage; couldn’t find any balls!
April 16th, 2007 at 3:58 pmSince Iraqis had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11————-then how does us invading and occupying and killing Iraqis prevent another 9/11? It doesn’t. We are there to control the OIL.
According to all intelligence agencies, what we are doing in Iraq is a recruiting tool and training ground for Islamic fundamentalists who were strongly supressed by Saddam.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:59 pmPersonally, as a woman, I’d love to slam his privates in his bible because all that thumping he does with it gives me a headache.
Comment by Shane
Personally, I wouldn’t want to get that close! Maybe we could plink ‘em off with a slingshot.
Comment by Zooey
OMFG!!! Do you ladies realize how much it hurts to laugh that hysterically? Oh, boy. That was the best laugh I have had all day. Thanks, ladies.
What clinched it was I actually heard the “PLINK” sound as soon as I read it. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Warn me before you do that again!
Many kudos!!!!
April 16th, 2007 at 4:00 pmwe were dealing with impossible hypotheticals were we not?
April 16th, 2007 at 4:02 pmi also get along very well with non-christians. for the most part i prefer them. stop projecting.
“How could the terrorists follow us over here, if Bush had done an adequate job on immigration”
having an attorney general with no credibility doesn’t help either
April 16th, 2007 at 4:03 pm(why is he smiling when he says they can come here and kill us?)
President Bush has no idea what caused 9/11. He is the dumbest person in this situation.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:03 pmMust be smaller than mothballs !!!!!
April 16th, 2007 at 4:03 pmThat’s right, ggibson — keep insulting the hard-working and God-fearing middle class Christians who built this country — more than 90% according to recent polls. At least Gov. Thompson had the brains to only insult the Jews ; ) Comment by Jake
Who’s more than 90% Jake*ss? Are you spreading more fake statistics again, which will just make you look even more st*pid when you’re exposed?
As for who built America, it was the secularists and those who were “enlightened”, like the founding fathers. They weren’t Christian, they were in fact anti-Christian for the most part.
It was the religious types like you that created the war and pestilence in Europe that the early Americans were often fleeing.
This has only become a freaky religious country in the last century, thanks to all of you Cons spreading the fear of “godless communism”, and attacking anyone that didn’t at least pretend to be a Christian.
You’re an idiot Jake*ss, read some history, and stop posting fake statistics that make you look like an idiot.
You also might want to look at the latest generation, they’re more likely to be an athiest, than a republican. The days of fools like you is numbered “thank god (joke)”.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:04 pmAnd as we can see by Jake’s continuing posts/drivel is that the only point he has is the the one at the top of his head.
… which puts him in serious danger of perforating his colon.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:05 pmHe also has a hole in the head—but that’s beside the point.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:09 pmPeople like Bush who LIE in order to SLAUGHTER people who had NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11
are NOT following the teachings of Jesus Christ.
In fact, they are MURDERERS and BLASPHEMERS who have VIOLATED the Ten Commandments:
Not KILL
Not LIE
Not STEAL (Iraq oil, ONE TRILLION in defense missing)
Not COVET, etc.
Those who follow Bush and THINK he is a “christian” are souls deluded by Bush and SATAN.
See you in hell Nazi followers of Bush and Satan (cause I’LL be THERE),
Mr. Bush
April 16th, 2007 at 4:11 pmMURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR TO THE USA
Sounds like you had problems growing up with people who were NOT Christians.
Comment by Jake
The people that openly were NOT christians said what they meant and meant what they said… christians were a bunch of peer pressure driven two faced fakes. Just like the “christians” that invented the IRON MAIDEN… and burnt millions at the stake….
April 16th, 2007 at 4:13 pmTrue but then there is reality. And reality says if you murder a bunch of Iraqis…. no matter what their religion says they will want revenge…
Never mind the Golden Rule (would that we all followed it). Both the Christ-nuts and the Mohammed-nuts, and for that matter the Abraham-nuts have a different rule in their books that they like to follow: “Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth”.
I’ve seen lots of missing eyes and teeth in Iraq photos. Sooner or later, Beelzebub will be collecting from the neocons.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:14 pmNo. 100 Comment by Jake — April 16, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
“That would take genuine heart changes and couples dedicating their marriages to Jesus Christ, selflessly loving each other and serving each other as He did the church.”
Oooooh. Now there is a handy bit of preaching. Thanks for the sermon, Preacher. Funny how you preacher types know next to nothing about religion but spout out all your distorted views backed up by some verse you really don’t understand. The above sermon is sheer puffery coming from preachers like you. Sweet authorative directives clothed in the “Big Crutch” you hobble around on. I think the birdies have been chirping in your head for a long time.
Hey, guess what? I can preach too. “Down on your knees you heathens!!” Ya like that Jake? Based on what follows you would be up for a little “fire and brimstone.”
What a case you are, preacher. Blippity blap.
And then you further intoned in your deep preacher voice:
Think of it as a self-imposed slavery.
Holy Moly!!! So that is what a Christian marriage is all about! Slavery!!! Jesus saw himself in his incarnation here, as a slave? What Bible did you get that from? That sounds more like devil worship to me. Let’s see now. Bush sold his soul to the devil and you worship Bush. Hmmm… That’s an interesting thought.
Well, now I see why you are stuck in 1st gear when argu..er …discussing your points with Crump’s Brother! His multiple attempts to get through to you went nowhere. You worship at the alter of slavery, and your envy just oozes when anyone expresses confidence and freedom.
Crump’s Brother was making musical sounds with your head.
Here’s a hint, Jake. The longer you are a punching bag, the more you hear the little birdies chirping and the less you can hear the real world around you. Its called being punch drunk. Blippity blap. Jake.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:15 pmI think pulling out is a fantastic way to kill all the terrorists! If we withdrawal the terrorists will follow us back to the USA. So all we have to do is park some SUBs between us and Iraq and wait till the TERROR BOAT (large boat filled with terrorists and all of their weapons) comes through and sink’em!
How do you like that plan?
April 16th, 2007 at 4:15 pmFor the record, in a recent NEWSWEEK Poll, 91 percent report they believe in God, with 82 percent identifying themselves as Christians. Even a higher percentage of Founding Fathers BTW.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:15 pmWhich part of “THOU SHALT NOT KILL” don’t you understand?
April 16th, 2007 at 4:15 pmggibson:
Only God knows for sure — it doesn’t seem like the people you were describing were Christians though.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:16 pmreality on the other hand has to take into account what happens when people dont do what they should do… and so should we in our foreign policy.
Comment by ggibson
OK, now I see and I agree whole-heartedly. Thanks for the clarification.
And as we can see by Jake’s continuing posts/drivel is that the only point he has is the the one at the top of his head.
… which puts him in serious danger of perforating his colon.
Comment by gorn by any other name
LOL – great addition!
April 16th, 2007 at 4:17 pmDavid Koresch was a Christian. Jim Jones was a Christian. Charles Manson thought he WAS Christ.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:20 pmFor the record, while many of the Founding Fathers did believe in a God, in some form (thus labelled “deists”), most were NOT Christians.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:20 pmOnly God knows for sure — it doesn’t seem like the people you were describing were Christians though.
Jake Gannon – I thought being a gay prostitute was against Christian preaching. You seem to be conflicted.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:22 pmFor the record, I doubt that David Koresch and Jim Jones were Christian — I think George Washington and John Adams were (and therefore NOT Diests like Jefferson) — as I said above, only God knows for sure. Charles Manson is not Jesus Christ though.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:23 pmI think pulling out is a ‘fantastic’ way to kill all the terrorists! If we withdrawal the terrorists will follow us back to the USA. So all we have to do is park some SUBs between us and Iraq and wait till the TERROR BOAT (large boat filled with terrorists and all of their weapons) comes through and sink’em!
How do you all like that plan?
April 16th, 2007 at 4:25 pmFor the record, in a recent NEWSWEEK Poll, 91 percent report they believe in God, with 82 percent identifying themselves as Christians. Even a higher percentage of Founding Fathers BTW.
Comment by Jake
There are MANY more “christians” that never go to church than those that do. Most people that declare themselves christians do so out of a societal identity… not because they are evangelical American taliban.
So you really shouldnt trick yourself into thinking you are in the majority in your crazy thinking.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:28 pm“Charle manson is not christ though..”
April 16th, 2007 at 4:28 pmYou sound rather certain of yourself, got any facts to back up your statement?
as I said above, only God knows for sure.
Comment by Jake
Then stop making declarations… and the bible also says it is gods job to judge …so if you believe in the taliban old testament then try following it.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:29 pmTorqemada was a christian………..
April 16th, 2007 at 4:29 pmMenu for the week:
Monday: my owner’s pointy head
April 16th, 2007 at 4:32 pmTuesday: GWB
Wednesday: OBL (in Oval Office cloakroom)
Thursday: Ted Haggard
Friday: double-dip – Cheney and Rove
Saturday: Swedish Olympic Gerbil Team
Sunday: The Lord’s Day – two Priests and a Bishop
it doesn’t seem like the people you were describing were Christians though.
Comment by Jake
Thats the way most evangelicals seem… not very christian… or at least not very Jesus like.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:33 pmFor the record, while many of the Founding Fathers did believe in a God, in some form (thus labelled “deistsâ€), most were NOT Christians.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC)
And they openly spoke out against “christianists” and one went so far as to call the bible evil… I believe he was Thomas Paine and I think he got ran out of France for that…..
April 16th, 2007 at 4:37 pmBush has killed 500 times Jim Jones, Koresch, and Manson combined.
Which part of ‘THOU SHALT NOT KILL” don’t you understand?
April 16th, 2007 at 4:40 pmFor the record, in a recent NEWSWEEK Poll, 91 percent report they believe in God, with 82 percent identifying themselves as Christians. /em>
Comment by Jake
This brings to mind Mother’s wisdom: if 92% of the country jumped off a bridge, does that mean that you should also? Oops, forgot who I was addressing – of course you would, lemming.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:44 pmComment by Saywho — April 16, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
You asked.
“How do you all like that plan?”
Now listen Saywho, don’t go around expressing freedom of thought and the confidence to use your creative intution. That will just get Preacher Jake all riled up! Then we would hear another sermon and his punch drunk reasoning like Crump’s Brother did in post after post. (snark)
That said, I think this is the best plan I’ve heard yet. “Bring em on”
April 16th, 2007 at 4:44 pmGeorge W. Bush — may he be damned unto hell itself and burn eternally.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:48 pmFor Americans who can’t get any real news through the MSM, Al Jazeera English, apparently de facto banned in the free press U.S., provides this service.
http://www.youtube.com/aljazeeraenglish
April 16th, 2007 at 4:50 pmKill 1 and your a murderer
Kill a few and your a mass murderer
kill millions – In America your a super Hero
unless bush is thrown out of power and jailed forever , America will pay the price
April 16th, 2007 at 4:53 pmNo. 164 Comment by Saywho — April 16, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
“I think pulling out is a ‘fantastic’ way to kill all the terrorists”
Bite your tongue, heathen! Pulling out is prohibitted by the Church of Jake. This is a family thread so there will be no talk of the “S” word here, even if it would work
April 16th, 2007 at 4:55 pmSince no one believes any of the fear mongering bullshit bush says anymore, he thought he’d put out a “greatest hits version” of his vitriol. Guess what chimpy? no one’s buying it other than your chimpletons
April 16th, 2007 at 4:55 pmIt’s not working anymore, Mr. President, we have fear fatigue…from you. And you have no credibility with the truth anymore.
April 16th, 2007 at 5:00 pmTelevangelisTubby (TM) and HYPOCRITE
Jerry Falwell had this to say about war:
God Is Pro-War!!!
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36859
In which he argues that the Bible says:
“Thou Shalt Not Commit Murder”, NOT “Thou Shalt Not KILL”,
and THEN goes on to parse the meaning of the KILLING in Iraq is
NOT COMMITTING MURDER!!!
Amazing…
All these azzholes that call themselves “christians”, and then JUSTIFY KILLING THEIR FELLOW MAN as
“US Vs. THEM” RELIGIOUSLY
The REAL bravery lies not in the LIES and WARMONGERING of Bush and the REST OF HIS WAR CRIMINALS.
It lies in DIPLOMACY.
Attacking and KILLING before trying to SPEAK to your adversaries, as these TRAITOROUS CRIMINALS have done,
is NOT “bravery”
It is the COWARDICE of AWOL punks and 5-deferment EVIL PEOPLE.
See you in hell Terrorist jake and Nazi dale (cause I’LL be THERE),
Mr. Bush
April 16th, 2007 at 5:02 pmMURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR TO THE USA
“For The Recordâ€
No. 163 Comment by Jake — April 16, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
Further incantations by the Preach.
“Charles Manson is not Jesus Christ though.”
There you go again! (That was another of your heros sayings, remember Ronnie?) You are in 1st gear again Preach! The point was he believed he was. Ya get it now? Just like all these televangelists who are in it for the money and the power They believe god sits on their shoulder, same as Bushie. The only difference between them preachers and Manson is he only gots a few people killeded. Now them preachers…they are “big league fellers.” They get hundreds of thousands killed for your Christian devil posing as God.
C’mon Jake, lets get up to speed here. Even you should be able to get it into 2nd gear. Look your driving downhill! Just concentrate on shifting, you can even take your foot off the gas. Concentrate Preach. You can do it! I believe in you and I don’t want you to be a punching bag forever even though the blipty blap sounds so sweet.
April 16th, 2007 at 5:13 pmGeorge W. Bush — may he be damned unto hell itself and burn eternally.
Comment by Tobey Tall — April 16, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
Thank you, I WILL.
See YOU in hell Nazi followers of Bush and Satan (cause I’LL be THERE),
April 16th, 2007 at 5:17 pmMr. Bush
MURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR TO THE USA
“For The RECORD”
If Bush’s extensive experience in Viet Nam taught him anything, it’s that they will follow us home. I don’t want to go back to those dark days of Vietnamese terrorists blowing things up over here after we left there. Yikes. Who needs that?
April 16th, 2007 at 5:17 pmAt least Falwell acknowledges that commandment about not killing. Most wingnuts ignore that one all together.
April 16th, 2007 at 5:20 pmSounds like you had problems growing up with people who were NOT Christians.
Comment by Jake — April 16, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
Do you think Jesus was like you? Do you think he’d make jokes about Jews? Do you think he was a selfish wimp like you not willing to make any sacrifices for what he believed but letting others make the sacrifices for you. Is that what your definition of a Christian is, somebody like you.
April 16th, 2007 at 5:26 pmJake’s ball taken to ER!
Prognosis: No damage; couldn’t find any balls!
Comment by Zimzone — April 16, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
Update: Located high-powered microscope to search for said ball.
April 16th, 2007 at 5:28 pmAnd as we can see by Jake’s continuing posts/drivel is that the only point he has is the the one at the top of his head.
… which puts him in serious danger of perforating his colon.
Comment by gorn by any other name — April 16, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
Thanks for giving me that “visual” and that has to hurt.
Too, too funny.
April 16th, 2007 at 5:32 pmOnly WHEN we create enough terrorists in Iraq will we leave. Only when we create enough terrorists that one might attack us here at home will we even BEGIN to consider leaving the hornets nest we have stirred up.
April 16th, 2007 at 5:39 pmFor the record, I doubt that David Koresch and Jim Jones were Christian — I think George Washington and John Adams were (and therefore NOT Diests like Jefferson) — as I said above, only God knows for sure. Charles Manson is not Jesus Christ though.
Comment by Jake — April 16, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
Lets see Koresch and Jim Jones considered themselves christian but you don’t believe it. But then you do believe a poll that says 81% say they are christian. Of course you do understand that may mean they were born to parents who followed a christian religion like catholacism and does not mean your type of fundamentalist christian.
April 16th, 2007 at 5:42 pmCharle manson is not christ though..â€
You sound rather certain of yourself, got any facts to back up your statement?
Comment by Raven — April 16, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
That’s because Jake thinks he’s Christ.
April 16th, 2007 at 5:44 pmSo the guys who attack us on 9/11, sunni muslims from almost every country in the ME, are not currently involved in Iraq.
Their goal is not a caliphate state which encompasses the entire ME. The Sunni’s in Iraq are completely isolated from all other Sunnis.
Every country in the ME has nothing to fear, as Sadat was sooo long ago, and Hariri was not really the assasination of a nation’s actual leader.
The embassy bombings in Africa have nothing to do with Sunnis, because ALqueda is called Al queda…if they called themselves Sunni Al-Queda, then they would be a threat.
If you einstein’s can’t figure out that the stated goals of Al-Qaeda is the establishment of a caliphate, but garnering enough support in the various countries in the ME, and then commiting politcal assasination of the ruling elite,
then yes, al Queda has nothing to do with Iraq.
April 16th, 2007 at 6:04 pmFor the right wing war mongers, if all else fails chant “Setember 11th ” over and over again.
That will rally public support!!!!
One problem Iraq didn’t have anything to do with 9/11 (unless of course, you’re Dick Cheney and his neocon ilk).
The big problem is they have used that chant way too often and way too long no one seems to be listening.
April 16th, 2007 at 6:12 pmBush sounds like he is becoming unhinged. This is a scary time.
April 16th, 2007 at 6:15 pmNo. 187 Comments by Zimzone & Shane
Jake’s ball taken to ER!
Prognosis: No damage; couldn’t find any balls!
Comment by Zimzone — April 16, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
Update: Located high-powered microscope to search for said ball.
Bwaaaa Haaaaa Haaaaa
April 16th, 2007 at 6:19 pm#192 The bleatings of a bed-wetting coward.
April 16th, 2007 at 6:19 pmPaul stretches reality to fit his world view: “If you einstein’s can’t figure out that the stated goals of Al-Qaeda is the establishment of a caliphate, but garnering enough support in the various countries in the ME, and then commiting politcal assasination of the ruling elite”
See, Paul, the fact that a small percentage of nutcases have delusions of grandeur does not therefore imply that the only way to save the world is for another small percentage of nutcases to destroy a nation that had nothing whatever to do with the first bunch of nutcases.
The first step of eliminating worldwide nutcases is for us to remove the nutcase mote from our own eye. Then we can work on getting rid of the other nutcases in more direct fashion, i.e., not via a proxy neocon wetdream.
And if your worst case scenario plays out and “The Big Scary Caliphate Across the ME” actually comes into being, at least we will know who TF we are fighting, and we will know exactly where they are. As we proved with the Taliban and then Saddam’s army, it’s pretty easy to route the enemy when you know where they are taking their next crap.
Or, we can keep doing it your way because it’s been such a remarkable success thus far.
April 16th, 2007 at 6:26 pmSince 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq, I wonder what you nimrods believe it actually represented.
Those ansar al-islam camps in northern Iraq were either surrendered by Saddam, or given by him.
The 25k he was openly paying palestinian suicide bombers isn’t really the classic definiton of a state sponsor of terrorism. I mean if you offer 25k, but later refuse to pay it, did you really sponsor anything?
The 20-30k chem biosuits, purchased from France in 02 found on the battlefront in 03 were purely for defense against flatulence.
Sanctions were working, look at the success of the oil for food program.
If you think Iraq is bad now, wait another 10 years, accept the escalation of violence-which has been proceeding long before Iraq, there is nothing you can do about it anyway.
Oil will eventually be shut off from the ME, but offshore drilling in the US will be coming to a beach near you.
April 16th, 2007 at 6:26 pm“the fact that a small percentage of nutcases have delusions of grandeur”
same could have been said about our founding fathers.
Which countries in the ME are not in danger of becoming a victim of uprising, by a few nutcases?
I’m sure you would agree that this war was the brainchild of a select few who convinced a majority that their actions were just. In that sense govts can be corrupted. I see the same problem occuring in the ME.
Pakistan, Egypt, Sausi Arabia, previoulsy Afghanistan, and a slew of African countries are holding onto power by keeping ahead of Sunni extremism. Sooner or later they will fall, if left alone.
Even now, they still might fall, not becuase of involvement in Iraq, but becuase there are a ’small percentage of nutcases’ working to make it happen.
April 16th, 2007 at 6:33 pmNo. 192 Comment by paul — April 16, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
You stated:
“So the guys who attack us on 9/11, sunni muslims from almost every country in the ME, are not currently involved in Iraq.”
Would you please give me a breakdown of how many guys were from each country?
I don’t remember it that way. Perhaps I am wrong.
April 16th, 2007 at 6:34 pm“Then we can work on getting rid of the other nutcases in more direct fashion”
please elaborate on this ‘more direct fashion’. Sanctions?Money?
This is where you provide the alternative to our current foreign policy. Since I haven’t heard any rationale ideas from the democratic party, I infer the ‘more direct fashion’ is to continue to wait and ignore.
April 16th, 2007 at 6:40 pm“same could have been said about our founding fathers.”
Paul, please tell me you didn’t just equate the American founding fathers with Al Queda.
Holy jeebus.
They fought against an empire for self-determination on their own land. I don’t believe they resorted to terrorism.
In your world, Mexican sympathisers would have blown up Big Ben, and in response England would have invaded Brazil to protect the world from the Chinese.
April 16th, 2007 at 6:43 pmI believe the breakdown is 15 Saudis, 1 Egyptian, 1 Jordanian and 2 from UAE.
Also, less than 1% of all Sunni Muslims identify themselves as being in favor of a world-wide Caliphate.
April 16th, 2007 at 6:48 pmNo. 199 Comment by paul — April 16, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
You said:
“I’m sure you would agree that this war was the brainchild of a select few who convinced a majority that their actions were just.”
I assume by the above, that you are speaking about this neo-con administration fronted by the puppet Bush. Am I right in this reading?
And you added:
“In that sense govts can be corrupted. I see the same problem occuring in the ME.”"
This is not a logical train of thought. You are stretching beyond a reasonable statement to reach a preordained conclusion which you can’t prove. There is little justification in your “seeing” this in the middle East. You are looking like Chicken Little running around yelling that the sky is falling.
April 16th, 2007 at 6:48 pm“please elaborate on this ‘more direct fashion’. Sanctions?Money?”
We were doing a pretty good job of direct attack in Afghanistan before your boy got us diverted into Iraq in order to play out the PNAC fantasy of redrawing the ME power map in the American image.
Sure, “sanctions” would work against Al Queda. What are you, daffy?
However, in addition to DIRECT military intervention against real enemies, we might consider a few tacks pissed upon by the Bush administration, including long-term covert intelligence operations, diplomatic interactions with legitimate governments, and outreach to the poor, oppressed, and wretched refuse of the world. Actually securing our borders and not selling out our nation’s interests to lowest bidders and mercenaries, and giveaways to Bush/Cheney cronies, would also seem to be good ideas.
Have you ditto heads no shame, no brains, and no sense?
April 16th, 2007 at 6:50 pmPaul, one of the lamest, most tired old tactics is to pretend that Democrats have offered no alternatives to the current foreign policy. Do you really believe that among the vast population of Democratic party legislators and strategists, that there have been NO ideas put forward on foreign policy? Please. There are big ideas, small ideas, ideas which barely alter strategy and ideas which make abrupt changes. But, when you start from the position that you don’t know of any, it’s just a non-starter because you are obviously just regurgitating republican talking points.
April 16th, 2007 at 6:51 pmIn response to Bush’s fear mongering, we’ve come up w/ this grassroots response–it’s an audio petition and so far we’ve got about 120 people who’ve posted their voice message stating how they’d like Congress to respond to a Bush veto. You can hear the posts here:
April 16th, 2007 at 6:52 pmIf Jake is afraid of gun control or that the terrorists will follow us over here he should probably jump in Bush’s pocket.
April 16th, 2007 at 6:59 pmThanks Bluedog.
“I believe the breakdown is 15 Saudis, 1 Egyptian, 1 Jordanian and 2 from UAE.”
I did not remember the specifics. This sounds about right. So, if this is true then you are really stretching your facts to suit your agenga again.
April 16th, 2007 at 7:08 pmAdditionally, the hijackers did not represent the countries they originated from. They represented themselves. Part of a group that had nothing to do with Iraq. There wasn’t an Iraqi among them. Nor an Iranian either. Nor a North Korean. Yet these three make up the “axis of evil” that BushCo is railing against.
Amazing. His Chimpiness always looks like a deer in headlights when he gives a speech.
I can see the future animatronic version of Bush at the Magic Kingdom’s Hall of Presidents. When it comes turn for Bush to speak, he’ll have that same blank stare about him (after all, Imagineers try to match the real thing, down to the finest details!), and all he’ll say (stumbling over his words, of course) is: “stay the course, stay the course, stay the course”. He’ll probably repeat this about a hundred times or so, then he’ll give his signature smirk.
April 16th, 2007 at 7:29 pmThe al Qaeda connection was always one of the big lies. Saddam was a secular control freak. He wasn’t about to allow a group like al Qaeda to operate in his country. Zarqawi called himself al Qaeda and was based in the Kurd-controlled north. Our military gave Bush three opportunities to kill him, but Bush refused to pull the trigger. He didn’t want to ruin any political argument for invasion.
April 16th, 2007 at 7:31 pm“Paul, one of the lamest, most tired old tactics is to pretend that Democrats have offered no alternatives to the current foreign policy.”
Actually one of the lamest is to suggest an alternative but fail to provide it.
An honest request was made about the nationalities of the terrorists of 9/11, but the idea of nationality is secondary to their relgious affiliation and beliefs.
Is it more important what country they were born in, where the center of their religous ideology comes from, or the battlefields the fought on?
Saudi Arabia is a common link, but if you look at the number of countries the individual leaders of each cell lived in over their life, you realize that their listed country of origin does not really explain their beliefs.
Mecca is the center of their movement because of its religious priority, but then Chechnya and Afghanistan are also time where these indivduals spent their formative years. Moving to Saudi Arabia upon relgious conversion does not make one Saudi.
April 16th, 2007 at 7:40 pm“The al Qaeda connection was always one of the big lies. Saddam was a secular control freak.”
This whole secular Saddam theory is nice, but then by that theory, south Africa was also an integrated society, even under apartheid.
Saddam and his Sunnis were 20-25% of the country. If he chose to exterminate the Shia, he would have been in an unwinnable war. He allowed his state to be secular, because he held no means of eliminating the Shia, not out of the goodness of his heart. He figured that if he just kills 300k shias, the rest will get the message.
April 16th, 2007 at 7:44 pm“they will follow us here.”
IF they do, we certainly deserve it.
April 16th, 2007 at 7:45 pmPaul, the point is that lots of alternatives have been suggested and your phony concern about the lack of proposals is simply an argumentative tactic. Where do you want to start? Biden suggests carving Iraq into three separate countries. Richardson suggests immediately de-authorizing the war and reevaluating the mission. Fiengold and others talk about how terrorism is tied to our dependence on foreign oil and suggest ways to wean ourselves and lessen the tention. Obama and Clinton both suggest beginning phased withdawls within the next few months. There are at least 15 different plans for getting the majority of our troops out of Iraq.
You start by saying the Dems haven’t offered any proposals. That’s just an absurd place to start, but I understand where you’re coming from. They say this kind of nonsense on FOX all the time.
April 16th, 2007 at 7:49 pmPaul: “This whole secular Saddam theory is nice, but then by that theory, south Africa was also an integrated society, even under apartheid.”
No, I’m afraid that’s a very weak comparison. Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites all had the same set of rights as long as they didn’t get on the bad side of the dictator. Not like S. Africa at all.
And, the point was that there was never an al Qaeda presence in Saddam’s Iraq. Al Qaeda was committed to removing Saddam from power. It was one of bin Laden’s primary goals. Why would a dictator like Saddam allow a group dedicated to his removal? That was one of the big lies told by your guys. And, it was one of the more absurd of the lies, but you bought it hook line and sinker.
April 16th, 2007 at 7:53 pm“Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites all had the same set of rights as long as they didn’t get on the bad side of the dictator.”
let’s see-gas a villiage of Kurds, murder hundred’s of thousands of Shia.
It would seem that the only rights the kurds and Shia shared was to be exterminated.
If you have a case where he punished Sunni’s in similar fashion fire away.
“And, the point was that there was never an al Qaeda presence in Saddam’s Iraq.” because if there were, we would know about it? How many US agents did we have in country?
April 16th, 2007 at 8:09 pm“And, the point was that there was never an al Qaeda presence in Saddam’s Iraq.†because if there were, we would know about it? How many US agents did we have in country? Comment by paul — April 16, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
Are you saying that with agents in Iraq, we got 100% of our intel wrong?
Not a ringing endorsement if that’s the case.
But nice *strawman* from the reality that as a totalitarian state Saddam had very rigid controls over his country, and very few Al Qaeda did exist there. At least they weren’t there operating in any significant way.
And if they were, then they would have been a threat to Saddam, not us, because they hated Saddam, as much as he hated them.
Tell me SON, do you realize how the real world works, because you have the naive st*pidity of a child.
April 16th, 2007 at 8:27 pmPaul,
Regarding your post No. 198
There is simply no adequate response to this sad attempt at sarcasm based around the cool-aid fantasies you believe. Yeah, I know, your mind is made up and don’t confuse you with reality.
You really have bought into this “We are at war crap” haven’t you. You believe we are at war in Iraq and you believe we are in a (tremble, tremble) “war on terror.” This belief is total fantasy. There is no war in Iraq. There is an occupation (after an unjustified and illegal invasion) by us and a civil war raging all around us.
There also people that hate us for intruding in their land and stealing their sovereigenty and want us out badly enough to kill us and we are fighting them, but it is not a war.
There is no such a thing as a “war on terror.” There is simply a scam fabricated and perpetrated by this neocon cabal in order to gain the power of a “war president.” With the power of the “Commander in Chief” during this self created perpetual war, the neo-cons can manipulate any situation they like, as they pursue their dictatorial pursuit of “Pax Americana.” The dream of American Empire.
But, sadly, you can not believe that your Daddy in the White House, who therapists have called a megalomanic, could be doing anything “bad.” He’s your Daddy, right or wrong, or black and white or more to the point good or evil.
The problem is that your basic philosophy toward life is so skewed, that you can’t begin to see tht war is not only wrong, but totally unjustified in today’s world. Your answer to everything is to control by force, if others won’t do as you wish.
It is truly sad to realize, and to know, that there is about 30% of the American people as scared as you are. You are ruled by fear, Paul, and so even a tin-horn puppet, masqurading as a man in a President’s suit, can control your actions.
And that is what is meant by drinking cool-aid.
April 16th, 2007 at 8:30 pmComment by paul
There was a al Qaeda presence in Saddam’s Iraq… It has been on the news several times. It was up north in the no fly zone near the iranian border and the kurds … A large camp of some group called Ansar al-Islam…
April 16th, 2007 at 8:33 pmNobody asked that bi*ch…
…where all our Homeland security money is going?
…certainly not to protect our kids at school, or the mall, or at church…
…what happened at Va Tech…
…can happen AN YWHERE in this country…
…look around…
…we’re not fightin’ em over there to keep from fightin’ em over here…
…hell we’re fightin’ em over there to keep Bushiva and L’il Dick’s pockets full…
…but you don’t hear me though…
April 16th, 2007 at 9:14 pmThank goodness we’re in this war in Iraq. Otherwise the terrorists might be able to find a map and figure out how to get to America.
April 16th, 2007 at 9:31 pmThey found it on 9/11.
They’ll find it again, whatever we do.
Once we hit a period of nuke proliferation, they can load one a boat and drive it right into a harbor.
or unload it on the west coast, with a crateful of illegals.
We lack the finace for true border security, and even if we had the money, we lack the will.
April 16th, 2007 at 10:07 pmIts just religion. The tool of religion is fear. The enemy of religion is education.
April 16th, 2007 at 10:14 pmBush is the same idiot that put the committee together to investigate 9/11. The 9/11 official story is just like the Iraq war, it’s based on lies. The 9/11 myth is the country needs to understand. The official story of 9/11 defies simple laws of physics and nature.
To believe that bush and them would lie about and be so bad at everything, but tell you the truth about 9/11; their reason for everything they do and don’t do?
For his lack of value of life, I would question or re question everything George bush has touched. If you think George bush was born in Texas, think again.
Election 2004, the two front running candidates for president are two skull and bone members, who graduated in the same skull class. There are 13 skull members every year. What are the chances of two skull and bones running for president in the same year are from the same skull and bones graduating class.
The matrix is real and you are still living in it.
April 16th, 2007 at 10:25 pm…they won’t leave us alone — they will follow us to the United States of America.
Follow us all the way back from their country to ours? Maybe we should have never went over there in the first place… Oh! Right! I forgot about the oil…
April 16th, 2007 at 10:27 pmYou know, the problem with these “compilations”, even if your point is justified, is that you put together only the parts of the President’s adress that prove your point, instead of showing the full context of each remark. I’m glad we have places like this on the internet for people to forget about objectivity and form opinions based on these emotional cues, that you claim are the problem. Give me a break, even if you’re right, then you need to give people a better context.
April 16th, 2007 at 10:47 pmWhere is oswald when you really need him.
April 16th, 2007 at 11:01 pmThis is just more evidence in my mind that the bush administration was the entity actually responsible for the 9/11 attacks – their continued shameless use of the event as a vehicle to further their agenda.
April 16th, 2007 at 11:03 pm…where all our Homeland security money is going?
…certainly not to protect our kids at school, or the mall, or at church…
…what happened at Va Tech
Comment by big papa — April 16, 2007 @ 9:14 pm
Amen – doesn’t seem the war in Iraq is keeping us safer here. The first two people were shot two hours earlier and nobody did anything to warn to students to be on the lookout for the gunman. We hear all the handwringing but don’t hear anybody questioning where was security on campus.
April 16th, 2007 at 11:29 pmWe lack the finace for true border security, and even if we had the money, we lack the will.
Comment by paul — April 16, 2007 @ 10:07 pm
We don’t have the money because we’re busy wasting it in Iraq while creating more terrorists. The people have the will, the administration does not.
April 16th, 2007 at 11:31 pm“Follow us all the way back from their country to ours? Maybe we should have never went over there in the first place… Oh! Right! I forgot about the oil…”
I love that oil argument.
Iraq produces about 20 billion in oil.
The cost of the war was put in at a minimum of 300 bl, with estimates as high as 1.5 trl.
Assuming the 300 bl, it would take 20 years of completely stealing every drop of oil they had to pay for it.
Greedy oil execs? They want to drill locally, and if the admin were as sinister as believed, they could merely force an embargo, raisng oil prices and profits for their buddies, and get drilling rights just about anywhere out of domestic desperation.
Delusional to even raise the oil argument, but then if the bush admin were so sinister, why not plant wmds in Iraq, and pretend they were always there?
“The official story of 9/11 defies simple laws of physics and nature.”
Writing ‘laws of physics and nature’, to meet your mindset? I wonder if you are more dangerous to yourself, or others.
April 16th, 2007 at 11:34 pmHey, paul, great post.
Now, according to your numbers who pay all those trillions for the war? Now, who receives all the money from oil contracts and oil prices especulation? There, now you really love the oil argument.
April 17th, 2007 at 2:02 amPaul, how can you be so dim? It’s not Iraqi oil per se, it’s the entire ME, and the PNAC desire to use Iraq as a domino effect to create an idyllic region of American sycophants.
Not only is it insane, but it’s documented on the web site of the very people who’ve been pulling Bush’s puppet strings for six years.
BTW, I did you the courtesy of giving a response to your query about what I meant by directly attacking the terrorism problem. You ignored it and then went on about how nobody has any alternatives to the Stay the Course fantasy. Positive proof of your flaccid and shallow intellect.
April 17th, 2007 at 2:05 amThis is Bush’s last gasp, only offensively (sort of) in the same way Hitler sacrificed Germany’s young boys and old men defensively against an advancing Red Army. All is lost for Bush if the troops start being withdrawn on his watch. That just wouldn’t raht in his big ol’ Texas Dubya Bush library, now would it? That’s one. Two, Cheney and Bush put ALL the chips on the table going into Iraq, borrowing from China and all, but have lost every hand and payback is a-comin ta town in the form of a devalued dollar and China demanding repayment… and three, the good ol’ oil (Exxon-Mobil)boys won’t have any part of this here withdrawin’ nonsense, nor would the Haliburton boys, nor the Martin (Marietta) boys… Looks lak a SHOWDOWN is a-comin to town… Pelosi (and 71% of America) this here town ain’t big enough for the few of us and the 240 million or so of ya’ll…
April 17th, 2007 at 2:43 amI hope he keeps digging his hole, when the truth comes out about IX-XI it will just be that much more condeming, yeah cling to that sinking lie, the last one, cling to it right to the end and see where the american people side.
April 17th, 2007 at 3:15 amAt this point in time, You are a Tool if you still believe in our president. If John Doe makes you a promise then betrays your trust, you’ll never look at him the same way again. Why is this not the case with our president? Answer: People are Tools. You’re like lambs for the slaughter, just following the sheep in front of you. Everything will be just fine, no need to ask questions, no need to investigate, no looking ahead.
April 17th, 2007 at 12:29 pmBush know’s now that his only weapon for keeping this debacle in Iraq going, is FEAR speeches in front of his favorite props, The Military, American Legion, VFW and Widow’s and Children of those he sent to die for his legacy. He never comes before people like us who know him for what he is. AN INCOMPETENT, ELECTION STEALING, DESERTER FROM HIS UNIT IN WARTIME, for which he should have been court martialed and sent to Leavenworth. But it is remarkable what being born with a silver spoon in your mouth and having political hacks taking care of you will do for you. Also no physical’s to show he was on drug’s!
I withdrew from the American Legion after they boasted they would take down the Gold Star Mother’s and other peace activist’s. My money was not going to go to an Organization who used their meeting place’s for liars, BUSH, CHENEY!
America, We must come together to have the 110th Congress impeach both of these “Chicken Hawks.” If Bush-Cheney are permitted to serve out their last nineteen months, Our country is in trouble.
To Jake– You are the kind of person who believes the bulls##it you are served up by these people. I am a veteran of Korea- Vietnam and the Cold war. Do not take credit for something you have never done, Like your hero’s. As a matter of fact, DROP DEAD!!!
April 17th, 2007 at 1:23 pmTHE RECENT SPEECH BY BUSH IS TOTALLY DISGUSTING! He is a liar. He has been using this old, tired rhetoric for 6 years. We all know the 9/11 perpetrators were Saudis, Bush’s kissing cousins. Our own government had warned him about the forthcoming attack. BinLaden’s relatives were cozying up to Bush Sr., watching the drama unfold and then whisked out of the U.S. while all planes were gounded. Bush said he saw the first attack on TV when there was no TV coverage at that time and then sat for 7 minutes, speechless, when the second hit took place. All the other lies: Al Queda/Hussein, WMDs, illegal war, inspectors were withdrawn U.N., constant fear mongering, and lies about members of his own cabinet. One of my favorite lies: (paraphrase) If any of my cabinet are guilty of misdeeds, they will be removed! Every one of his cabinet and the Vice President are liars, cheaters, and corrupt. If any of you believe one word of what Bush says, you must also believe in the tooth fairy. If you believe the “war on terror” can be won, you should consider the success of the “war on drugs”. jh
April 17th, 2007 at 1:25 pmThe only problem with the people being shocked by this tactic, is that it worked before. What’s a tyrant to assume? That the unwashed masses are THINKING about something other that fashion, cars, unfunny talk radio or sports? No, until he is in jail, we’re a bunch of spineless morons, and in my case, a Troglodyte. Why should he think anything is different until it is?
April 17th, 2007 at 3:57 pmIt’s save-your-legacy-time for Bush and the puppet masters pulling his strings. The Iraq debacle has gone deep south. The country is in bloody ruins, rupturing in civil war, and our soldiers patrol the streets with targets on their backs – all courtesy of this administrations lies, half-truths and scare tactics. Bush has been in over his head since the supreme court gifted him with the presidency. The tragic war notwithstanding, he has failed and dishonored our great democracy in every aspect of governance. Perhaps he should just pin medals of freedom on himself and Cheney – then both can ride into the western sunset, say, tommorrow at dusk.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:07 pmThe Good Doctor has said it all as it’s time for a change of govt … what almost 2 more years to go… A nightmare at it’s worst still lies ahead unless Congress can act to stop W…
April 17th, 2007 at 6:23 pmRight on, Rue. Thanks for the support. What Pelosi & Reid need right now are matching sets of brass balls. Get right in the face of this hapless, arrogant, radical regime, and begin the decades-plus work to restore our place as leader of the free world….. Sure, it can get worse…. who would’ve thunk it would come to this?
April 17th, 2007 at 6:35 pmAnyone who still believes the 9/11 fairy tale needs help bad. Some guy in a cave pulled it off? Please, that is comic book stuff. 9/11 was an inside job brought to you by Bush and his noecon thug friends. Read Project for the new American Century where it is all outlined. The PNAC crowd pulled off 9/11, not some caveman. Bushfraud is still using it. http://www.newamericancentury.org/
April 18th, 2007 at 3:24 pmWhoa there, maddog… Get a grip! I’ll agree that the neocons callously manipulated the horror of 9/11, but to state these blundering dittoheads conspired in the event itself is downright wacky!
April 18th, 2007 at 3:38 pmGW Bush’s speech only acknowledges that, after 6 yearsof his presidency, his Administration has been unable to secure America. His entire fear monging speech, especially when he declares that terrorists still can attack us “at home”, confirms that we are as vulnerable today as we were before 9/10/2001.
Another great accomplishment of our President.
April 21st, 2007 at 11:54 pm