Giuliani to conservatives: ‘get beyond’ abortion.
By on Apr 16th, 2007 at 12:32 pm
Giuliani to conservatives: ‘get beyond’ abortion.
Rudy Giuliani “made his sharpest case for moving beyond social issues this weekend in Iowa.” Asked about abortion, he said that conservatives have “to get beyond issues like that.”
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Nail, meet coffin. Heh.
April 16th, 2007 at 12:34 pmHe’s done. If only he could flip flop on the issue like Romney has done.
April 16th, 2007 at 12:35 pmI agree, those opposing abortions just need to keep their opinions to themselves. Get over it, let people make their own decisions in life, and deal with any consequences, you know like a FREE person.
April 16th, 2007 at 12:35 pmYea, let’s talk about abortion since we can’t get beyond this issue… Clikity click
April 16th, 2007 at 12:39 pmYeah, I wouldn’t vote for Rudy Giuliani either way.
April 16th, 2007 at 12:40 pmOh, oh, there goes any chance of the right wing fundamentalist Christian vote, although there was only slim chance of that in the first place.
April 16th, 2007 at 12:41 pmMcCrazy:
Good thing here in California we didn’t let Scott Peterson “make his own decision” about defenseless Connor . . .
April 16th, 2007 at 12:43 pmRudy’s campaign aborted?
April 16th, 2007 at 12:43 pmNail, meet coffin. Heh.
Comment by Zooey — April 16, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
Yeah. I don’t think Guiliani fully understands the magnitude of how much conservatives are for or against certain issues like abortion.
Hell, about 50 million evangelicals won’t vote for him just because he’s been divorced a couple times. Saying abortion is a silly little issue isn’t going to gain you republican supporters there Rudy.
April 16th, 2007 at 12:46 pm“Our party is going to grow, and we are going to win in 2008 if we are a party characterized by what we’re for, not if we’re a party that’s known for what we’re against.”
Translation: For the war, against civil liberties.
And Jake, Scott Peterson MURDERED his wife and unborn child, it was not abortion. SULOGA!
April 16th, 2007 at 12:50 pmAny bets on how long Guiliani stays relevent? Or is this the dismantling of the republican party? You decide.
April 16th, 2007 at 12:50 pmI wonder when the vast majority of the fundies are going to realize they have been taken for a ride the last 20/30 years by some really slick snake oil salesmen?
April 16th, 2007 at 12:52 pmSomeone just kicked Baby Jesus in the nuts.
April 16th, 2007 at 12:54 pm“Someone just kicked Baby Jesus in the nuts.
Comment by Dumb_Fox — April 16, 2007″
comedy gold.
April 16th, 2007 at 12:59 pmI don’t think this is going to kill Rudy. First, it’s actually a populist statement; most people are willing to accept, or at least tolerate/ignore, abortion.
Second, and I forget which blog I read this on, but Rudy’s disgusting behavior with his ex wives and family shows he uses the kind of “firm hand” the lizard-brain respects – not to mention, it’s obvious he’s a chauvinist pig.
Rudy is banking that he can campaign as Tough-Love Daddy rather than any kind of “real” conservative.
April 16th, 2007 at 1:10 pmI wish conservatives could get beyond the issue of abortion. I have friends who will not support the Democrats under any condition because they are generally pro-choice. And they continue to support Republicans no matter how many immoral acts come from that party.
Unfortunately, it’s not going to happen. It’s baby-killing to them, and it’s apparently OK to kill tens of thousands of Iraqis if we can save some unborn babies.
April 16th, 2007 at 1:16 pmGo beyond GODS LAW?
That will never, ever, happen for them. It’s asking them to go against their religion, is he nuts?
April 16th, 2007 at 1:16 pmI’m not sure pandering so hard to the middle-road and left wingers is the right approach for him. Moderate is a good idea because America is sick of ultra-right-wing right now, but if he crosses the line too far, he’ll lose his “base” and the Dem will surely win since the left is so motivated to vote right now. I guess what I’m saying is being pro-choice is not necessarily a bad position for him politically, but to speak out so hard against it instead of appealing to both sides by saying “I’m pro-choice, but I respect my pro-life colleagues” just seems unwise. It’s like he’s flipping his middle finger to his base while desperately trying to appeal to a crowd that is not too excited about him in the first place.
April 16th, 2007 at 1:21 pmYeah, I wouldn’t vote for Rudy Giuliani either way.
Comment by Jake — April 16, 2007 @ 12:40 pm
I personally don’t like Guilliani because he makes Bush look like Clinton when it comes to invasion of privacy and reducing civil liberties…:)
April 16th, 2007 at 1:25 pmJake,
It’s really too bad your mom didn’t try birth control, or an abortion.
April 16th, 2007 at 1:25 pmMcCrazy:
I’m sure you and Scott Peterson believe in post-birth abortion too . . .
April 16th, 2007 at 1:31 pmZillions of Fepublicans all over America are saying, “How refreshing,
April 16th, 2007 at 1:31 pmfinally a candidater standing up to the wingnuts.” This will not hurt
Giuliani very much at all. He has more spine than all the Dems combined.
I guess neither of us will be voting for Rudy, then, whiteyfresh.
April 16th, 2007 at 1:32 pmI don’t think that Rudy will get the Conservative or Republican nomination. He has a slight morals problem – he’s been in more bedrooms then Sealy and Serta combined.
April 16th, 2007 at 1:35 pmJake,
Yes in your case, you’re a worthless piece of garbage. I keep hoping you’ll insert that .45 in your mouth and pull the trigger. Be a man, take one for the team, sacrifice for your country, meet your maker, you know… have fun bitch.
April 16th, 2007 at 1:38 pmLot of mature people here ey?
April 16th, 2007 at 1:46 pm#24 – Good one, Walt.
April 16th, 2007 at 1:51 pmAre there any ‘take the Bible literally’ people out there (fluent in Hebrew, ancient Greek, and other dead languages) that can tell me the book(s) and verse(s) declaring “abortion” murder?
I’ve read the one about a man murdering a pregnant woman also murders the unborn child, but I’m curious to read where it specifically talks about abortion.
Anyone read Ciderhouse Rules? That’s my take: God gave the knowledge to do abortions for the greater good.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:02 pmHAHAHAHAHAH!
How stupid is Rudy? Apparently he is dumb enough to think the religious right can “get beyond” abortion. What a dumbass.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:07 pmRudy Guliani can’t win the liberal OR conservative women’s vote no matter what he says, and if he can’t get the women’s vote he won’t win. The man is a pig who treated his ex wife so viciously it makes the skin crawl.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:18 pmYou play to your base and then go for the middle. Right now, Guliani lost his base.
Basically he has just made the same mistake the Democrats keep on making – Assuming that the political poles are worthless and shifting to the centre too soon.
This means McCain as the Republican candidate in 2008.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:26 pmBob
Exodus 21:22-23
So the verse isn’t there, because the Bible doesn’t define a fetus as being a person yet.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:34 pmJake
April 16th, 2007 at 2:38 pmWhen I was kid, I used to pinch the heads of baby birds off, when I’d find them in a nest,too bad you weren’t around then,I would have saved your relatives the pain of watching you grow into a babbling buffoon!
Thanks Bruce.
That’s actually the verse to which I was refering: I am hoping for more. I’ve been looking. Seems to me (if that is the only verse) to be a very obscure reference to something that that group just goes balistic over. The question that arises in my mind is why aren’t they so hostile over poverty (or being compassionate) since that seems to be more of a central theme in the new testament.
It’s the same with the ’sin’ of homosexuallity: a lot of uproar over one obscure verse that doesn’t even specifically condemn homosexuallity.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:00 pmthey’re stuck on abortion and gay marriage… even other consternos are saying that…
April 16th, 2007 at 3:52 pmhe’s been in more bedrooms then Sealy and Serta combined.
Comment by WaltTheMan #24
…and put twice as many more paramours to sleep…
…Rudy HAS to get past abortion…
…he now only EATS eggs…
…his fertilizerer sic don’t work no more…
April 16th, 2007 at 10:04 pmI’m with Zippi at #22. A lot of real republicans are fed-up with the Jesus-Freaks and are happy to see a candidate with balls say what he thinks.
The evangelicals vote in blocks advised by their leaders: Dobson, Robertson, et al. Any candidate can make a back room deal with the evangelical leaders for an endorsement and the followers will vote exactly as advised.
How Giuliani can do that given this position I don’t know, but anythings possible with these Christian lobbyists.
April 17th, 2007 at 1:33 amPrevious Repub candidates have had to walk a fine line of being against abortion, but not really doing anything to make it illegal in order to get elected. Giuliani will have an easier time getting elected in a national election than an anti abortion candidate. The majority of the country is pro choice.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:18 am