Cole On Virginia Tech Shootings: ‘In Iraq, This Is A Daily Event’
Cole On Virginia Tech Shootings: ‘In Iraq, This Is A Daily Event’
The profoundly tragic events at Virginia Tech yesterday have produced sorrow and grief across the country. While this massacre deserves the nation’s attention, it is also worth noting that such grief rips apart Iraqi lives nearly every day in the same manner.
University of Michigan Professor Juan Cole pointed out last night on PBS’s Newshour:
Remember that we’re all concerned, as we should be, about these events at Virginia Tech today. In Iraq this is a daily event. Imagine how horrible it would be if this kind of massacre were occurring every single day. And the people of Iraq feel that either the Americans are not stopping it or they’re actually causing it.
Watch it:
Echoing Cole, Iraq Slogger published a post today recounting the brutal scenes of violence that Iraq’s universities have witnessed in recent months:
On Monday, the same day as the Virginia Tech mass shooting, two separate shooting incidents struck Mosul University, one killing Dr. Talal Younis al-Jelili, the dean of the college of Political Science as he walked through the university gate, and another killing Dr. Jaafar Hassan Sadeq, a professor from the Faculty of Arts at the school, who was targeted in front of his home in the al-Kifaat area, according to Aswat al-Iraq.
In January, Baghdad’s Mustansiriya University sufferred a double suicide bombing in January that killed at least 70 people, including students, faculty, and staff. A month later, another suicide bomber struck at Mustansiriya, killing 40.
Kidnappings of students and faculty are another all-too-common occurrence on Iraq’s campuses. Members of the univerisity community have been abducted and murdered for sectarian reasons, or simply held for ransom. [...]
In January, students reported that violent events had threatened students that attendance rates at Baghdad University had dropped to six percent.
Earlier this month, the Dr. Qais Jawad al-Azzawi, head of the Geneva-based Committee International Committee of Solidarity with Iraqi Professors said that 232 university professors were killed and 56 were reported missing in Iraq, while more than 3,000 others had left the country after the 2003 invasion.
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Unfortunately, this is correct. In Iraq right now, 33 dead qualifies as a good day.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:01 pmA little too much reality for Americans to face...
April 17th, 2007 at 4:02 pmWhy does Iraq have to be brought into everything. I'm ashamed.
People who don't realize why this specifically is a story just don't get it. The idea of something like this happening at a college campus, which is supposed to be a safe and open place of learning, is the story. Not the death itself.
While we're at it, who cares about people dying in Iraq, since it happens even MORE often in Africa, where children are dying of starvation and disease every ten seconds or so. We can play this game all day.
All deaths are tragic. Thus struck a chord because it attacked a cherished American institution, college, which is now tied to the American dream. Those who don't understand that are shortsighted.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:02 pmyour poor idiots on the extreme left.........incredible that you would compare what happened yesterday at Virginia Tech to what is going on in Iraq...
only the low lives, the pathetic, the stupid, moronic, useless, worthless, idiots of the extreme left use the Virginia Tech incident to take a political stab at the President and those on the right.
the extreme left wing pathetic low live human beings are but the vomits of the Devil.
thinkprogress.org is disgusting and pathetic.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:03 pmWho cares about the people of Iraq, they attack us on 9/11 right?? Of course am kidding and this professor is dead on with his comment. We hate arabs so much thanks to Bush and company that we don't even see them as human. Therefore, it's okay if we kill their women and children.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:05 pmif we are going to use comparisons more people die in Americas highways than they do in Iraq.
An American soldier has a greater chance of dying driving from his American home to his American military base than he/she does serving in Iraq.
More people die of heart attacks per year in America than Iraqis die per year since 2003.
leave it to the left wing extremist to politicize the Virginia Tech tragedy.
you people are beyond help and quite disgusting.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:06 pmThis*** not thus for #3
April 17th, 2007 at 4:06 pmKirk,
This is not the extreme left. Go to PrisonPlanet for that.
Folks from the Neocon right have made center into extreme left. Reality and facts are extreme left to you.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:06 pmthinkprogress.org is disgusting and pathetic.
Comment by Captain Kirk
So you keep posting here because...
You like disgusting and pathetic?
April 17th, 2007 at 4:07 pmClinton did it, too. So did Pelosi.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:08 pmThis blog itself isn't extreme left, but some of the disgusting posters are.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:08 pmyou people are beyond help and quite disgusting.
Comment by Captain Kirk
So, again, what is the reason you keep posting here? If we are beyond your help, then what's the point?
April 17th, 2007 at 4:08 pm"if you don't like it then go away"
=
-the idiot's solution to a debate he can't figure out how to win
It's very similar to the extremist right "America: Love it or Leave it" mentality.
TP- love it or leave it?
April 17th, 2007 at 4:09 pmwow, CK,did your dildo break or something? that's even a little more vitriolic than usual for you...
April 17th, 2007 at 4:10 pmjoe and CK DO NOT want America to face the reality of Iraq. period. end of story.Anything that can done to show JUST HOW VIOLENT it is in Iraq scares them.Oh, and joe, I have had several good discussions with people that other dub 'trolls'. If you actually say something intelligent, you might get intelligent responses:)
April 17th, 2007 at 4:14 pmIncredible that ANYONE, right or left would use this event for their political gain. Leave it to thinkprogress.org to put up the disgusting comments and bring up Iraq when such great tragedy strikes our great nations.
I wrote to the professor already....there is no comparison between Iraq and what happened yesterday you moronic fools, useful idiots, tools,, robots, parrots, mindless drones, can't think fools of the extreme left.
stop trying to politicize this......
it was tragic what happened yesterday and Iraq and this can't be compared.
f........cking start thinking for yourselves you pathetic extreme left wing worms.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:14 pmThis isn't a "Right or Left" issue. This is a human issue. All you have to do is listen to what the students were syaing. They were shocked that this happened on their campus but I wonder if they are shocked that it happens anywhere including Iraq. Am sure some of them are shocked but Iraqi college students see this everyday thanks to the Bush administration. And what was the of from the White House, "We believe in gun owrship".
April 17th, 2007 at 4:14 pmDid I see Brian Williams of NBC last evening grilling a student from his limo? Maybe next he could interview an iraqi mother whos childs brains are still wet on her shirt. Sorry but the hipocracy im seeing on every news channel today is disgusting.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:15 pmJoe, that's the point, you middling mind. This happens on IRAQI campuses all too frequently. Because of the botched situation brought about by administration hubris and poorplanning, people, students, children, the are ROUTINELY gunned down, blown up, tortured, etc.
But Americans, sheltered in the coccoon of iPods and American Idol rarely feel the horror.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:16 pmFortruth,
i post here just to let you know what a bunch of extreme left wing low live human beings you guys are.....
how can anyone take this and politicize it.....incredible, disgusting, and quite f....cked up. you have to be a true mindless tool to agree with anything said by this professor and not scold thinkprogress.org for posting this garbage.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:16 pmI saw a dirthead drivin a dump truck. He put a big ol sign on the back.
"America, love it or leave it".
Hey, life as a repuke must be pretty easy. Simple black and white solutions for everything. I almost get jealous at times.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:17 pmthinkprogress.org is disgusting and pathetic. Comment by Captain Kirk
Waaaaah! I guess we won't see you around anymore?
April 17th, 2007 at 4:17 pmWhile we’re at it, who cares about people dying in Iraq,
April 17th, 2007 at 4:17 pmComment by joe — April 17, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
umm, being that I am a Christian....I DO!
Thus struck a chord because it attacked a cherished American institution, college, which is now tied to the American dream. Those who don’t understand that are shortsighted.
so your argument is that the deaths of Americans are more important to you then the deaths of Iraqis, or Africans, correct?
That to me is shortsighted.
By the way, if I remember correctly, students were killed at an Iraqi university some time ago, but was just a minute glib in the media.
I'm a chickenhawk neocon scumbag.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:17 pmVirginia Tech reports shooting (multiple)
April 17th, 2007 at 4:18 pm#16: You're right, Kirk. There is no comparison between Iraq and what happened yesterday. The tragedy in Iraq is wholly due to Bush and the Neocons' failed policies. VA Tech is a tragedy due to a deranged individual. Oh, and the Neocons' deranged policy has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:19 pmfrom Nathaniel Blake:
Something is clearly wrong with the men in our culture. Among the first rules of manliness are fighting bad guys and protecting others: in a word, courage. And not a one of the healthy young fellows in the classrooms seems to have done that. …
from Captain Kirkoff
stop trying to politicize this……
f……..cking start thinking for yourselves you pathetic extreme left wing worms.
Leave it to thinkprogress.org to put up the disgusting comments
Man, it must suck to be a hypocrite, eh?
April 17th, 2007 at 4:20 pmI'll help you with a letter to Missus Blake, mmmK?
Captain Kirk--- Get accustomed to us extreme left wing low lives because . . . We're the MAJORITY of Americans now, radicalized and politicized and just plain pissed off because of the delusional and demented Right.
We're coming for you boy. We're coming to take out the trash.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:21 pmComment by Captain Kirk
So you just want to keep reminding us of what you think about us.
How's that workin' for ya?
April 17th, 2007 at 4:21 pmBill and/or Hillary Clinton and/or Pelosi and/or Jimmy Carter are worser.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:24 pmCaptain Kirk & joe have a difficult time with reality and analogy.
BTW Captain, thanks for letting us know we're low lifes.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:24 pmRight back at ya...
re # 6
how many soldiers died over the weekend in car crashes here in the US? How many died in Iraq? You're a right wing apologist and propogandist. Nobody here is making light of what happened in Blacksburg VA here. Cole, and some posters here have only pointed out that the grief and shock that is being felt here over the VT shootings is an ongoing experience for citizens of Iraq, and it is our fault. The fact that you and your wingnut brethern can't feel compassion for people who don't look like you is why we're in this mess to beging with.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:24 pmI’m a chickenhawk neocon scumbag.
Comment by Captian Kirk — April 17, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
what's the matter left wing tools, robots, useful idiots of the left, as Lenin called his left wing followers, can't handlre the truth does you try to impersonate me? you cowards, you disgusting vile, hateful, full of venom things........
why don't you imbeciles go to Virginia Tech and tell them how what happened there is comparable to what is going on in Iraq and then let me know how many bullet holes you mindless tools come back with.
only the pathetic, worthless, extreme left would use this tragic, sad, horrific event in order to push their extreme, wacked out agenda.
with each response to me, you imbeciles show what a bunch of low lives and what a bunch of disgusting human beings each one of you is........
are you imbeciles, low lives so full of hate and so against Bush and the Iraq War that all you useful tools can do is bring up Iraq? you anti-Bush cult members, how sad for each one of you.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:24 pm#23 you idiot, there's a reason why that's just part of the sentence.
I care about anyone who dies, and I pointed out that every day, the human disaster in Africa is far worse than the one going on in Iraq. Not to say that Africa is more important than Iraq, but to show how your hypocritical arguments can be turned against you.
Not one person has responded to my point about Africa. Not one.
Iraq is a highly dangerous place and what's going on there is tragic and awful. But what makes this news is that it went on at a supposedly safe and innocent place. No one would ever assume anywhere in Iraq to be innocent and safe, not even a college.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:25 pmCapt.kaka, like's to come on our site and flip shit as usual...Well here you go you miserable lieing reich winged cabal lover...There is no comparason you stupid shit..First off these death's at the college were caused by a demented individul in a small scale..Sad and terrible as they are there is no comparison what so ever to those of you and heir bush's bunch of happy crap war monger's that have killed. By design in excess of 650,000 men, women and children killed in Iraq for profit..Next dum-bass by design and neglect bush's bunch allowed 9/11-3,000 lost, Katrina 1,500 lost lives of our own and over 350,000 displaced no promises kept by your administration, 3,315 of our own troop's killed, 25,000 maimed, massive neglect at Walter Reed and all veterans hospital's across our country...Pallet's of money gone and no accountability..This entire administration has looted our country and worked to get a one world order for deluded reich winger's like you to march in lock step along with distroying our constitution....While you come on our site and bash us with your crap you accomplish but one thing, more people are joining us to remove all of YOUR kind from ever being office again....Be gone you black hearted tiny troll....Go back to rove and collect your tiny check for showing up.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:25 pmchadwick....
you a majority? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh man can you type again so that I may laugh at your stupidity........
you dumb, dumb, dumb, I mean dumb and moronic useful idiots of the left.....Lenin called you guys useful idiots.....go find out why you pathetic human beings....
April 17th, 2007 at 4:26 pmso your argument is that the deaths of Americans are more important to you then the deaths of Iraqis, or Africans, correct?
That to me is shortsighted.
By the way, if I remember correctly, students were killed at an Iraqi university some time ago, but was just a minute glib in the media.
Comment by DRxJ — April 17, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
Incorrect. My argument is that this is considered a major story because it happened in an unexpected place.
I happen to do work for Oxfam and the situation in Africa is very dear to my heart. But no one human tragedy is 'more important to me' than any other.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:27 pmthinkprogress.org is disgusting and pathetic.
Comment by Captain Kirk
Perfect place for you!!!
April 17th, 2007 at 4:27 pmCole really brings it home. Why can't the boy blunder preznit and the rest of the neoconmen understand what they are doing? I'll continue to pray for them.
Peace!
April 17th, 2007 at 4:27 pmIncredible that ANYONE, right or left would use this event for their political gain. Leave it to thinkprogress.org to put up the disgusting comments and bring up Iraq when such great tragedy strikes our great nations.
But captain; didn't Bush do the same thing by trotting out his spokesperson to defend the 2nd amend? Your selective outrage is funny.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:29 pmkirk the jerk,
he's so full of compassion, except for the national guardsmen who signed up for college money who are now getting their legs blown off because of conservofacists like kapton kurk.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:29 pmTime for mutany, the captain has lost it. He cannot control his rage.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:29 pmOkay, I'm off the Joe bandwagon. HIs first post sounded reasoned and humane, but it's becoming clearer with each subsequent post that he's simply a concern troll in disguise. Maybe a new member of Jake's stable of identites?
Tha Cap'n, on the other hand, is just a shameless blowhard, but he's not hiding that from anybody.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:30 pmI happen to do work for Oxfam and the situation in Africa is very dear to my heart. But no one human tragedy is ‘more important to me’ than any other.
Comment by joe
Sure you do, Joe.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:30 pmCaptain Kirk writes:"can't handlre the truth does you try to impersonate me?"
April 17th, 2007 at 4:30 pmwow,CK. Must be hard to type with your head up your ass and only 1 hand on the keyboard...
showing your ignorance must really get you off....
Captain Kirk you sound like a really rational, really reasonable, really nice person.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:30 pmcan’t handlre the truth does you try to impersonate me?
Comment by Captain Kirkoff — April 17, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
Let me guess. Sentence structure and spelling was not your strong suit in middle school?
Another scrawny little boy pumping up his muscle-less chest to compensate for a tiny member.
Man, dude, I hope you do get laid in your lifetime. satisfying orgasms with a partner will do wonders for your anger
April 17th, 2007 at 4:30 pm(by the way, your anger in typing matches the profile of the VT murderer....just saying)
When I first started to read comments where people were tying this event to Iraq wrt the tragic loss of, I too was a bit disgusted. But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that tying this to Iraq isn't really a politicization of a tragedy. In reality, its bringing close to home a series of tragedies that we set in motion years ago. I remember hearing about a university bombing in Iraq several weeks ago. At the time I thought nothing of it. The fact that the VT shootings have affected me so deeply while the university bombing in Iraq passed by without a notice makes me sick to my stomach. Maybe some of the ones who are being so defensive are the same ones that should take a good long look at their reaction to loss of l ife in general.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:30 pmSo the Cappin wants to use the words of Lenin. Now if you go caring picture's of Chairman Mao, you're not going to make it with anyone anyhow.
Don't you know it's going to be alright.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:31 pmThe center is the majority. And the center is sick of Republicans. So the leftys get the wheel back for another 40 years or so.
Sorry Capt. Kirk, Yer team blew it big time. Be angry with them.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:31 pmAlmost everything is political folks, unavoidable.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:32 pmKirk, do you read any of the comments here? I didn't think so. Your behavior is exactly like that greasy, insane person on a street corner spewing obscenities into the air; no one is listening, as your point can be dismissed as the ramblings of a lunatic.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:32 pm#32,
You are a great American and your speech brought me to tears. Fortunately, I just happen to have a box of the "Sheets of Babylon" tissues from Kleenex. Each sheet is embossed with the death certificate of Iraqis murdered by us Americans.
Don't worry, though, I still have 649,999 left.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:32 pmUseful idiot. Heh. That's a good one, Cappy. And I suppose your poor spelling, grammar, syntax and muddled thinking are indicative of your superior mind?
Note to self: writing like a moron means I'm actually brilliant.
Ergo: Bush is really a secret Einstein.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:32 pmB.Fly,
are you stupid or do you just play one. First of all if Bush did this, as I said, right or left this is not the time to politicize this.....read before you make a complete idiot out of yourself, but being a useful idiot, as Lenin called his left wing followers, I am sure you are used to making a complete idiot out of yourself.......
second of all, who was Bush's spokenman that came out to defend the 2nd amendment, as far as I have seen in all news it is the left wing anti-2nd amendment hate the Constitution morons the ones jumping on this incident to prove that guns are bad (as if guns had feelings).
only an useful idiot from the left would make such idiotic claims, you would fit right into Lenin's communist fools.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:33 pmSure you do, Joe.
Comment by B.Fly — April 17, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
That was a really useful comment.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:33 pmI had Juan Cole as a professor at the University of Michigan, and he was a very good teacher. One of the most knowledgable people there is on the Middle East. But for all the yelling and name calling done by Kirk (maybe a code of conduct for blogs is an appropriate topic), I thuoght the exact same thing that Mr. Cole, in that every day this is a daily event in Iraq, and that this huge tragedy for us, happens every day over there. People are people, no matter if they are American or Iraqi, or black or white (this is like Katrina) in that those that are "left" bloggers seem to feel more for those that are less fortunate, while the "right" bloggers see things in a black and white/good and bad sort of way. All, Juan is saying is step back and if you have been trumpetting this war, realize that people in Iraq go through this kind of thing everyday and Bush's administations policy is the cause of this. If killing and kidnappings and suicide bombs were going off in our campuses becasue Canada had invaded us for our betterment, trust me there would be a lot of people up in arms trying to get Canadians out. It forments hate for the person (country) that is supposed to be keeping security if they are unable.
Even though this is an American tragedy, there should be some in the "right" crowd that should take a step back and realize that this is how Iraqis feel every day, and that the plan the current administration has been employing is flawed and maybe its time to stop being cheerleaders and start thinking for yourself what our great invasion has wreaked on people in a distant land.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:34 pmonly an useful idiot from the left would make such idiotic claims, you would fit right into Lenin’s communist fools.
Comment by Captain Kirk
You're making some pretty idiotic claims yourself, Captain.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:35 pmStill, nobody has addressed my point, which, is, simply stated:
You all seem to argue that the SCOPE of the tragedy is what makes something important, which is why thinking about VTech instead of Iraq is wrong. So would it be right to say, the African human disaster is worse than the Iraqi human disaster, so we should only be worried about that, not Iraq?
Both are logically flawed...
April 17th, 2007 at 4:36 pmCaptain Kirk, you are the person who can't handle the truth and it's obvious to everyone in the world but you. I suggest you seek counseling and specifically ask for some anti-psychotic drugs. Please come back in another ten years and let us know how you're doing.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:37 pmCaptain Kirk: do you have anything of substance to add to your ramblings, or do you just plan to spout "low lives" on and on until mommy tells you it's time for dinner?
April 17th, 2007 at 4:38 pmFirst of all if Bush did this, as I said, right or left this is not the time to politicize this…..
Still can't believe he'd do it eh? Believe it.
Is that all you know? Lenin died a very long time ago; quit living in the past, and deal with reality. And being called a useful idiot by a useless one is a compliment, I guess.
That was a really useful comment
I don't live to be useful to you, Joe. Prove you work for Oxfam, or admit you're lying. Joe
April 17th, 2007 at 4:38 pmHow disgusting. These 33 were AMERCIAN lives. Do this man hate his country?
Figure he does like you libs. STFU
April 17th, 2007 at 4:39 pmB.Fly,
still waiting for you to put up the name of Bush's spokeman that defended the 2nd Amendment......
wait, I thought you extreme left wing wackos, useful iditos as lenin called his left wing followers, loved the Constitution.....so, wouldn't you be happy that Bush defended the 2nd Amendment?
talk about selectgive outrage......you do know that you are a sad, sad joke B.Fly, right?
April 17th, 2007 at 4:39 pm# 36 Joe Not even the one caused by your tax dollars joe ?How many millions before it hits the radar for you ? Oh people die every day , whats the big deal ?
April 17th, 2007 at 4:40 pmCapt Kool aid is doing an even better job of hate speak and I want to thank him sincerely for advancing the cause of human enlightenment through his acts of catharsis ,Ipecac for the soul !
Your posts are great ! Keep up the good work !Your ignorance is very enlightening !
Your own words show where your morals are at !You do more here to convince the undecideds than the most reasoned argument ever will !
hya ZOoey!
April 17th, 2007 at 4:40 pmBoth are logically flawed…
Comment by joe
No, you are logically flawed. Did we start a war in Darfur, over bogus reasons? Man, logic really isn't your strong suit, is it?
April 17th, 2007 at 4:41 pmBut no one human tragedy is ‘more important to me’ than any other.
Comment by joe — April 17, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
which was preceded by this statement
Why does Iraq have to be brought into everything. I’m ashamed.
So then why are you ashamed of Iraqi's (and our soldiers) deaths? I mean, no one human tragedy is more important than any other, right?
April 17th, 2007 at 4:42 pmSo why be ashamed?
By the why, calling me an idiot is quite childish, and makes you seem more like Captain Kirkoff than an intelligent debater
Yes, and when 9/11 reminded us that we could at any moment be killed for no reason by angry, violent young men, in places like the South Side of Chicago they were thinking, "That's how we live every day." That fact didn't prevent us from treating 9/11 like the dress rehearsal for the Apocalypse.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:42 pmVA Tech: 32 students needless die at the hands of a madman.
Iraq War: 3,300 U.S. troops and 55,000+ Iraqi civilians needlessly die in pursuit of the failed policies of a madman.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:43 pmWhat kind of 'proof' do you want? I'm actually laughing out loud as I read your last post. I've done more volunteer work for Oxfam and Amnesty Intl than I can even begin to recount, and I'm right now working on organizing a pretty major charity event on my college campus to raise money for AIDS treatments in Africa. What do you want, pictures of me writing down plans? hahaha
April 17th, 2007 at 4:43 pmwait, I thought you extreme left wing wackos, useful iditos as lenin called his left wing followers, loved the Constitution…..so, wouldn’t you be happy that Bush defended the 2nd Amendment?
Because he trashes the rest of the constitution.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:44 pmfirehead....
these pathetic, useful tools, robots, parrots, mindless drones from the left can't understand why any one of us would be a lot more sad, and a lot more outraged over the death of our son than over the death of our neighbors son........
these idiots actually went after me yesterday for saying that the life of my son of any one member of my family is worth a lot more to me than that of a stranger.
they are hopeless, I just come in here, laugh at their stupidity, throw a few truths at them to see how like rats they run and eat it up and get them all riled up. these left wing nuts are quite easy to control.
these poor saps are one sad joke.......
April 17th, 2007 at 4:44 pmBy "human" Joe means white people who are Americans.
Or else he would have been saddened several times over when hearing about, or seeing the pictures of dead Iraqi children with holes in their heads. Haditha ring a bell?
April 17th, 2007 at 4:45 pmThe policies of the western world, as led by America, including unfair trade practices and colonialism, have caused many of the problems in Africa and other 3rd world nations today. Two can play this game.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:45 pmActually, you have no idea if that is true. The shooter was South Korean and he is one of the 33 dead.
So, you would at least have to say:
These 32 were AMERCIAN lives and one was South Korean.
Now, how many of the other ones are on student visas?
April 17th, 2007 at 4:45 pmHow disgusting. These 33 were AMERCIAN lives. Do this man hate his country?
Figure he does like you libs. STFU
Comment by firehead
Since the lives lost at VT were American lives, that makes them so much more important than students being slaughtered everyday in Iraq.
Is that what you're saying, pissant?
VT is a horrible and shocking tragedy -- the same sort of tragedy that happens almost everyday in Iraq. Why do you and your trollie friends have trouble understanding that?
April 17th, 2007 at 4:46 pmGood job Joe, are you securing a place with the Lord?
April 17th, 2007 at 4:46 pm"Brraaack, does he hate this country, Brraaackkk, shut you libs, brraaack!"
Firehead, you makes as much sense as a retarded parrot.
"STFU, brraaack!"
"33 AMERICAN lives," Brraackkk!
You see, everybody, contained in Firehead's post and implicit the RightWing is the idea that AMERICAN life is worth more than OTHER life.
Because, you see, AMERICANS (Liberals excluded) are the [Cue drumroll] MASTER RACE
April 17th, 2007 at 4:46 pmShorter Joe: No I can't prove it.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:47 pmB.Fly,
you are quite the dumb one aren't you, eh?
left wing rats like you want us to start a war in Darfur, yet you want us to leave the Iraqis to die in death squads and in mass graves....
why is a the live of a person that lives in Darfur more important to the left wing nuts then the life of an Iraqi?
do you see how stupid your logic is? sadly enough, you don't.....
April 17th, 2007 at 4:47 pmhya ZOoey!
Comment by whiteyfresh
Hiya, whitey! Aced that frickin' exam. :)
April 17th, 2007 at 4:47 pmok everyone, is Captain Kirk:
A: Bill O'Reilly?(loofa me baby)
B: Rush Limbaugh?(gimme summore'a the dang pills!!!)
April 17th, 2007 at 4:47 pmor
C:a poor pathetic loser who is so wrapped up in screaming hatred that he misses the actual facts of reality and continues to go down the ever-increasing isolationist path that his hero"Big Daddy Bush" is on...
(note the grammer and sentence structure, and pardon B, I was wacked out on goofballs...:)
….there is no comparison between Iraq and what happened yesterday
Comment by Captain Kirk — April 17, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
That's right because at VT today everything is quiet and the President is giving nice speeches.
And in Iraq the killing goes on.
Who are you calling names you *PUSS-FILLED, SHIT THROWING, NEOCON NAZI AIRBAG*?
Oh and Captain Jerk, we're still waiting for that proof of military service you lied about.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:48 pmIn my hometown, Boston, it seems like every week someone is senselessly murdered. Every few months is the equivalent of VT. It's tragic and we should be doing all we can to stop it from happening. But because it's happening in inner-city neighborhoods, it's not the 'sudden shock' to society that this was. That's why it's a story, people. Get with the program.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:48 pmThere are a lot of hurting people right now who don't want to hear this, and there are a lot of ignorant people who don't generally want to hear anything at all.
In the middle are people who can handle their emotions and the logic, and for them I am glad that someone had the courage to add this to the national debate.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:48 pm"Do this man hate his country?"
Comment by firehead — April 17, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
This is the way a very young child would phrase a question.
It's "Does this man hate his country?" and the answer is obviously no, so STFU, airhead.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:49 pmBy “human†Joe means white people who are Americans.
Comment by ForTruth — April 17, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
You don't know how to read, do you?
April 17th, 2007 at 4:50 pmCongradulations!! I never doubted my Princess...
April 17th, 2007 at 4:50 pmhow's your throat? can you talk yet?
Comparing the shootings in America to the shootings in Iraq is just one train of thought in this entire mess.
It certainly is not like the first and only thing the left has ever said about this since the news broke is that it's like the shootings in Iraq.
Professor Cole is simply bringing another view to the table. And it's perfectly reasonable to do so - though some may wish he waited a bit later to say it, so people can grieve without the burden of worrying about the war at the same time.
When something like this happens, there are MANY conversations, many discussion, many questions and comparisons that may come out of this. And I see no reason why one of those thoughts shouldn't be the comparison of this to shootings in other countries.
I DO remember at some point after September 11th (I'm talking about in the year 2001) when people mentioned that the events we faced that day, are in a way like what the Iraqis are facing. While there are no planes hitting buildings, there are bombs from planes hitting buildings.
I don't remember as much outrage from those comparisons. Maybe it's because I have a bad memory, or maybe the comparison was just brought up not right away. There was time for people to grieve before the questions were asked.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:50 pmI'm still waiting for Captain Kirk to add something of substance to this thread. His posts thus far are merely the rantings of a lunatic.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:51 pmshane, shane....
you sad, sad woman......have you taken your medication today?
are you so stupid, and so low that you can't see how horrific it is and how disgusting it is that anyone one the right or left would use this to push their political agenda?
you poor saps......i pity you kid, i truly do. I would pray for you, but you left wing nut would start melting and I am a compassionate person you know.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:52 pmhahahahaha!!!
i post here just to let you know what a bunch of extreme left wing low live human beings you guys are
Comment by Captain Kirk — April 17, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
Mission failed. All you let us know is what a bunch of despicable, traitorous pigs the right wingnuts are.
On the plus side, you strengthen our resolve to make sure you Nazis are brought to your knees. And that we will never again allow your party to have unchecked control again.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:53 pmComment by Captain Kirk
Another right-wing blow-hard, who can't be bothered to marshall facts to defend his assertions. How fitting that he takes the name of a fictional character, as his courage is also fictional.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:53 pmthey are hopeless, I just come in here, laugh at their stupidity, throw a few truths at them to see how like rats they run and eat it up and get them all riled up. these left wing nuts are quite easy to control.
these poor saps are one sad joke…….
Comment by Captain Kirk
I guess we're all happy then, because I know we're all laughing at you.
Bless your heart, you haven't a clue....
April 17th, 2007 at 4:53 pm3311
April 17th, 2007 at 4:54 pmJoe,
where were you when all human tragedies were taking place over the last 4 f!cking years?
April 17th, 2007 at 4:54 pmAnd you feel joe that making light of human misery helps ?
April 17th, 2007 at 4:54 pm3/4 of a million dead ,3 1/4 million refugeed and millions of wounded men ,women and children's suffering isn't worth pointing out when the country ( ours ) that perpetrated this offence is reminded of the tragedy thru senseless death when it strikes home long enough to make them look up from their basket ball games and sit com's .
Your a humanitarian Joe ? Very cavalier of you !
Comment by whiteyfresh — April 17, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
I'm going with "C", including the goofballs.
Do I get a prize?
April 17th, 2007 at 4:54 pmI’m a chickenhawk neocon scumbag.
Comment by Captian Kirk — April 17, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
And that's your good quality, traitor.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:55 pmBTW - Has W announced plans to invade South Korea yet?
April 17th, 2007 at 4:55 pmCongradulations!! I never doubted my Princess…
how’s your throat? can you talk yet?
Comment by whiteyfresh
Throat doesn't hurt anymore, voice doesn't work anymore. Heh.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:55 pmlow lives so full of hate and so against Bush and the Iraq War that all you useful tools can do is bring up Iraq? you anti-Bush cult members, how sad for each one of you.
Comment by Capt. Kluck
You're right, it is sad for compassionate people to be driven to the point that HATE is the right word for how we feel about Bush, the Neo-cons and delusional, right-wing, co*ksuckers like you. BE GONE, beyotch!~!!!!!!
April 17th, 2007 at 4:56 pmReagan,
I am still waiting for any left wing nut job on this thread to add something of substance to this thread. The left wing extremists that are posting on here are thus far the rantings of a bunch of lunatics.
no intelligent post has been posted by any extreme left winger here.....
will one of you, just one of you post something intelligent and coherent for once besides your old tired, "Bush is bad, and evil...blah, blah, blah....conservatives are bad....blah, blah, blah....you are a nazi...blah, blah, blah....." little ones go for some originality, try to use something that Lenin didn't use, try to say something that Stalin didn't say, try to write something that Castro didn't write. At least try to spew some original hate and venom and not something that has been said by countless extreme left wingers in the past, ok? just try, i know your little heads will hurt and some of your brains will burn in the process, but originality and the ability of individual thought is foreign to the extreme left wing wackos.....
April 17th, 2007 at 4:56 pmI’m still waiting for Captain Kirk to add something of substance to this thread. His posts thus far are merely the rantings of a lunatic.
Comment by And You Thought REAGAN Was Stupid — April 17, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
How long are you preapred to wait? Could be quite some time.
The reason Iraq and VT have little in common? Because, as someone pointed out above, today the President is on the VT campus speaking, and he's not wearing a helmet, kevlar vest or shadowed by a hundred visibly armed soldiers and three Blackhawk helicopters.
So you're right, trolls. There's a world of difference between the two.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:57 pmIt was the same on a BBC comments board everybody was mentioning IRAQ .... they have now taken it down
Anyway nothing compared to the 500 civillians burnt to death in fallugha by American soldiers in one night
April 17th, 2007 at 4:58 pmMoment of silence for Capt. Kirk.
For those who pray. Pray for his speedy recovery and maybe he can be transferred to the "home" where it isn't as restrictive of an environment. Kirk can then go to the store and buy his soda and cigarettes himself. That should raise his self esteem a bit.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:59 pmZooey:I have some goofballs if you would like some...
:D
April 17th, 2007 at 4:59 pmWe've already seen that the right-wing nutjobs think the victims in Virginia were cowards.
How dare the Republicans call these shooting victims cowards!? 32 people have been senselessly gunned down and this is their reaction? How will the families of these people react to their children, brothers, and sisters being called cowards??
April 17th, 2007 at 4:59 pmgot 'em from Ned Flanders...
April 17th, 2007 at 4:59 pmno intelligent post has been posted by any extreme left winger here….. Comment by Captain Kirk — April 17, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
That's true, because there are no 'extreme left wingers' here. Idiot.
However, there are plenty of 'extreme right wingers' here, and you're one of them, and yet none of you has ever posted anything intelligent.
You're an idiot and a fool, Captain Kracked.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:00 pmCaptain Kirk sounds like Michael.
That explains a lot....
April 17th, 2007 at 5:00 pm*sigh*...you just don't get it do you.
I'm not saying that one tragedy is more important than another. I'm trying to explain to you why this is a 'big story' and other tragedies aren't. If you'd get away from three seconds from your nutjob LOOK AT ME, I'M EDGY, I HATE THE PRESIDENT AND THINK THAT EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD THAT HAPPENS IS THE FAULT OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION viewpoint, you'd be able to look at things clearly and you'll be happier because of it.
I saw people on the initial VaTech thread blaming the end of the assault weapons ban for the shooting, and also people who seriously stated that they thought this was some sort of 'set up' to distract attention from other things going on in the world. I mean, give me a break, those are sick, demented thoughts to have.
I am a proud Democrat, but I have to say, my Party has to grudgingly accept you loonies the way the Right has to accept the nut job religious types.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:00 pmB.Fly,
is that the best you have? you claimed that President Bush's spokeman was out yesterday using this horrific tragedy to defend the 2nd Amendment.....name, time and place where he did this....tick, tock, tick, tock......liar, liar, pants on fire my little one.........
you know you are a liar like all quacks from the extreme left, just admitted.
and once again, you blow hards from the extreme left, who claim to love and embrace our Constitution should be glad that Bush defends the 2nd Amendment, right?
hahahaha!!! your poor brainless kid.....it is fun to play with your ill-informed brain.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:00 pm#104. Looks like we'll all be dead before Kirk says something intelligent. But, there's hope that he'll contribute more after he graduates from the third grade.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:01 pmlittle ones go for some originality, try to use something that Lenin didn’t use, try to say something that Stalin didn’t say, try to write something that Castro didn’t write. At least try to spew some original hate and venom and not something that has been said by countless extreme left wingers in the past, ok? just try, i know your little heads will hurt and some of your brains will burn in the process, but originality and the ability of individual thought is foreign to the extreme left wing wackos…..
Comment by Captain Kirk — April 17, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
Whatever KKKaptain Hitler.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:01 pmThe reason Iraq and VT have little in common? Because, as someone pointed out above, today the President is on the VT campus speaking, and he’s not wearing a helmet, kevlar vest or shadowed by a hundred visibly armed soldiers and three Blackhawk helicopters.
So you’re right, trolls. There’s a world of difference between the two.
Comment by KRank — April 17, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
Right. He doesn't need a helmet or a kevlar vest or soldiers or blackhawks because it's PERCIEVED TO BE A SAFE PLACE. That perception was shattered for a short time yesterday. That's the issue.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:01 pmHow dare the Republicans call these shooting victims cowards!? 32 people have been senselessly gunned down and this is their reaction? How will the families of these people react to their children, brothers, and sisters being called cowards??
Comment by And You Thought REAGAN Was Stupid
I think the attack was a bushwhack. A ruse to keep the debate away from the gun issue. They don't care if they sound callous and stupid. The goal is to distract away from the gun thing.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:02 pmJust an interesting observation:
A friend of mine was wearing a shirt yesterday that said "Baghdad University" across the back (he served with the Air Force in OIF, 2005). Anyway, he was near the University of Utah eating at a Wendy's and a youg female student, mid-20's walked up. She immediately said "Wow, did you study there?" When he looked at her rather puzzled, she pointed to his shirt and said, "Isn't that in Europe?" He explained to her that Baghdad is the capital of Iraq. She responded with, "Is that where that war was?" He then took the time to explain to her that yes, that is where the war was and that it is still going on. She couldn't believe it, and asked him when it was supposed to end. Anyway, he continued making small talk, she was quite cute, and ended out asking her what her major is at the University of Utah - "History"
April 17th, 2007 at 5:03 pmI believe Captain Kirk is actually Jake. The condescending and repetitive "Shane, Shane . . ." line is reminiscent of Jake's 'style'.
A troll is a troll is a troll.
Go back to your Cheetos, Captain K'ake.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:04 pmFinished with 9/11 widows and Cindy Sheehan's son killed in Iraq. I wonder when Glenn Beck will begin attacking the parents and families of Virginia Tech students.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:04 pmMr. Cole is making a valid point. What happened yesterday shouldn't happen ANYWHERE ... not here, not in Iraq, not ANYWHERE.
I've always had a problem with people who value one person's life (or death) over another's.
The students and professors at VA Tech were innocent bystanders. The people of Iraq are TOO and they're being slaughtered at an alarming rate everyday because WE'RE there. How many Iraqi students have you mourned over in the past 4 years? Aren't their lives worth it? If not, why the hell are we there anyway?
Don't you people get that? ALL life is precious; ALL death is tragic.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:04 pmValiant,
you are such an extremist, and so blind to your hate, that you can't see that YOU are an extreme left wing wacko......poor you....
as I said,
little ones go for some originality, try to use something that Lenin didn’t use, try to say something that Stalin didn’t say, try to write something that Castro didn’t write. At least try to spew some original hate and venom and not something that has been said by countless extreme left wingers in the past, ok? just try, i know your little heads will hurt and some of your brains will burn in the process, but originality and the ability of individual thought is foreign to the extreme left wing wackos…..
April 17th, 2007 at 5:05 pmZooey:I have some goofballs if you would like some…
:D
Comment by whiteyfresh
You are so grounded.....
April 17th, 2007 at 5:05 pmHey, Captain Jerk, project much? ....blah, blah, blah, compare them to Stalin...blah, blah, blah, compare them to Castro...blah, blah, blah
April 17th, 2007 at 5:06 pmchadwick,
like a good typical extreme left wing wacko you are a paranoid foo.....sorry, jake and I aren't the same person......leave it to the wackos from the left to be so paranoid.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:06 pmWhy do right-wingers believe that American's lives are worth so much more than are Iraqi's lives? Is this what the right-winger's God teaches them? The events yesterday at Virginia Tech were horrible and so are the events that happen every day in Iraq. Maybe yesterday's violence was a little too close to home for those who don't give a shit about Iraqi's lives. Remember, George Bush's goal is to have violence over there so we don't have to have violence over here. Good luck with that.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:06 pm#118 --- what a sad, sad story. Unfortunately that's a far too common one nowadays. Civic education in this country is a joke.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:07 pmRight. He doesn’t need a helmet or a kevlar vest or soldiers or blackhawks because it’s PERCIEVED TO BE A SAFE PLACE. That perception was shattered for a short time yesterday. That’s the issue.
Comment by joe — April 17, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
Yes joe,
That's true. That is the reason that this issue is getting so much attention. Because anytime we Americans don't feel entirely safe it's automatically a front page story. But why aren't we allowed to put the even in global context. It seems that you have a lot of experience battling global injustice. Wouldn't a little more context be a good thing for Americans to have?
April 17th, 2007 at 5:07 pm"you would fit right into Lenin’s communist fools."
the cold war's been over for more than 15 years. let it go.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:07 pmFinished with 9/11 widows and Cindy Sheehan’s son killed in Iraq. I wonder when Glenn Beck will begin attacking the parents and families of Virginia Tech students.
Comment by Kevin Good — April 17, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
I wonder when left wing professors will start calling the Virgina Tech victims Nazis.......don't you? they love calling 9/11 victims littel Heichman.....
were you outraged when your fellow left wingers said this? of course not, typical selective outrage from the left.....
April 17th, 2007 at 5:07 pmAnyway, he continued making small talk, she was quite cute, and ended out asking her what her major is at the University of Utah - “Historyâ€
Comment by Chris L
Oh lordy, that is stunning....
April 17th, 2007 at 5:08 pmRepublicans are the fear and smear party
do you not realize the hypocrisy of your name? hahahaha!!!
fear? Dumbcrats want to install fear into everyone beleiving Global Warming....
Smear? please Dumbcrats are excellent at this, just look into how they smeared the good name of General Ike (Eisenhower for the ignorant ones). Sh....t the Demoncrats of back then called the greatest General of American history an idiot, a chimp, etc, etc.....kind of the same recycled insults that they use today against Bush....
so much for the left being original and having the capability of thinking for themselves. Your insults against those that you disagree are older than Lenin who called you morons, useful idiots of the left.....
April 17th, 2007 at 5:10 pmOh, no! how can I get "ungrounded"?
April 17th, 2007 at 5:11 pm125. It's the current administration that has fed us a daily diet of fear for the last 5 years. "Get them over there before the get here". Complete bullshit from the Right. Islamofacists (made up scare word) and unseen terrorists are everywhere. More right bile.
It's this current admin that is paranoid.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:11 pmOh, can't we all just get along, Captain Rodney?
April 17th, 2007 at 5:13 pmThe Captain's Zyprexa needs adjusting. He also needs an anticholinergic to keep that hand steady, he keeps typing the wrong letters.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:13 pmwhy does the left believe that the live of a person that lives in Darfur is worth more than the live of Iraqis? why? why does the left hate Iraqis? what have Iraqis done to them?
why are they pushing for American troops to go to Darfur and to be taken out of Iraq?
why is the left full of racist pigs? why?
April 17th, 2007 at 5:13 pmI'm not stunned by the story of the stupid history major.
Thats normal to me.
She is getting by on her looks probably.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:14 pmIt was the same on a BBC comments board everybody was mentioning IRAQ
Found it Here Its mentions Iraq all the time ......... and the americans are typical response
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Yet if the US cannot swallow its pride and stop the wide avaliablity of guns then these people would have died in vain.
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Many of you are apparently not familiar with the US constitution. Although I agree with many of you that the 2nd amendment is archaic and obsolete (surely, you Brits can relate), it is part of the constitution. An amendment to the constitution requires a 2/3 super-majority in the house, and the ratification of 3/4 of the states. Under similar constraints, you would not have been able to tighten up your gun laws either. Talk of human life vs gun rights is self righteous bile.
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I am an American, born and raised and let me say this: The comments posted on this board by people in Britain and Europe are not Anti-American. They are correct in asserting the US needs more stringest gun control laws.
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April 17th, 2007 at 5:14 pmI'm stunned when young people are interested in politics and want to be informed.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:15 pmthese pathetic, useful tools, robots, parrots, mindless drones from the left can’t understand why any one of us would be a lot more sad, and a lot more outraged over the death of our son than over the death of our neighbors son
Comment by Captain Kirk — April 17, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
And because neither you or anybody you know has served in the military you can't find the compassion to feel bad about the 3,330 dead American soldiers.
It's all about you, you, you and no other human lives matter. Then why all this whining about VT. Do you have family there. Or did your neocon Nazi handlers tell you to get on the case about the shooting.
What's the administration scared of today you bunch of candy-assed pansies. Or did the NRA send an alert saying you needed to get on this issue pronto.
Hey don't worry. With this corrupt civil liberty stealing administration most liberals are going out and buying guns to protect ourselves from you fascists. We've all got our guns and for the first time you Nazis have got us pissed off enough to load them and use them.
Keep spewing you necrotic pussbag.
Oh and I'm still waiting for your proof of military service you lying sack of shit.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:16 pmZooey:I have some goofballs if you would like some…
:D
Comment by whiteyfresh
Oy!
Shall we leave you two?
April 17th, 2007 at 5:16 pmCaptain Morgan just wants to spew his hate all over here and disrupt things. That makes him feel better. He could just get mental health treatment, but because of how much stigma goes with that, he'll just take out his anger on us.
We are providing his therapy in a sense. We won't charge you Capt.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:16 pmhttp://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/041707N.shtml
April 17th, 2007 at 5:17 pmComment by Captain Kirk
Those "stupid pills" you are taking are working, no need to prove it any further.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:17 pmSheesh, what a moron.....
The shootings at Virginia Tech were so shocking because we don't expect violence on that scale in a place like that.
The really sad thing is that there are places where we DO expect violence on a scale like that. Iraq is one of those places.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:17 pmWhat the hell is a goofball.....
wait, I don't want to know.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:18 pmRepukes think a little lie here and there is no big deal.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:19 pmCaptain Kirk,
What you interpret as political opportunism by the left could and should be given a very different, positive interpretation. Pretend for a moment that you have an interest in the truth, not just in bashing the left, and ask yourself whether there are any parallels, analogies or similarities between Iraq and the tragedy in Virginia. Try stepping back from your emotions and ideology just enough to use your mind to analyze the two situations. It's conceivable that you might learn something.
What Prof. Cole and many on TP responding to your vitriolic, personal attacks are claiming is that there are deep, highly instructive parallels here. Try asking yourself what his thinking might be. Try listening to others. You post here on a regular basis and, presumably, you do it not because you're selfish and egocentric, but because you believe you have something worthwhile to contribute. I suggest that you listen to others in the same spirit and try to learn from them.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:19 pmOh, no! how can I get “ungrounded�
Comment by whiteyfresh
Dump the goofballs, and no Capt Crunch for 2 days. Heh.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:19 pmCaptain Jerk, what is a "paranoid foo"???
April 17th, 2007 at 5:19 pmhellinabucket,
sorry, fear is being used by the Democrats,
fear of the white man against everyone else.....
fear of Global Warming
fear of our economy going south
fear of the rich taking advantage of the poor
fear of corporations taking advantage of the working class
fear that our current President has supposedly taken too much power
do you not realize that what you are saying is based on fears that the left has installed in you?
fear? the left is excellent at it. The left pushes and perpetuates these fears because without them, the left and Liberals would not exist.
fear is what the left uses to get people to vote for them.
are you so blind that you only see the use of fear from the right? c'mon, wake up and smell the roses.....
the left is full of paranoia....Global Warming, bad economy, etc, etc, etc.....
April 17th, 2007 at 5:20 pmYenta! you're back.I hope you've had a nice day.
ForTruth:**snicker**
April 17th, 2007 at 5:20 pmOy!
Shall we leave you two?
Comment by Yenta's Protege
I still owe you a smack on the head....
April 17th, 2007 at 5:21 pm# 3 -
Okay... but aren't we supposed to think (from claims by Bush, McCain, Cheney and others) that Iraq is a rosey place which is just like American urban cities? The markets are just like ours, and we can shop freely in them? If that's so... shouldn't it be just as shocking that it could happen there?
April 17th, 2007 at 5:22 pmNo need for violence, Zooey. I'm here to help.
At least whiteyfresh is happy to see me.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:25 pmalright.back in 20 minutes...gotta go home sometime....
April 17th, 2007 at 5:25 pmare you so stupid, and so low that you can’t see how horrific it is and how disgusting it is that anyone one the right or left would use this to push their political agenda?
you poor saps……i pity you kid, i truly do. I would pray for you, but you left wing nut would start melting and I am a compassionate person you know.
hahahahaha!!!
Comment by Captain Kirk — April 17, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
And you think we don't see that YOU ARE HERE PUSHING YOUR POLITICAL AGENDA? Are you out of your freakin' mind.
You are too funny for words, so tell us, who sends you here to do your POLITICAL work. And when they told you to come here but not to be too political today you thought they meant progressive but not you.
The sad thing is you think you're scary but you're just an impotent little weasel without enough intelligence to drive home a point. Except the one on your head up your ass. And that is one funny visual, neotard.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:27 pmThanks Captain for projecting your fear crap on us.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:27 pmTobey Tall,
what happened yesterday has nothing to do with gun control, if you were better informed you woulnd't listen to the crap that the BBC spews....
did you know that in Israel the Palestinans started attacking schools and universities in the 1970s. Israel promptly armed professors and created patrols that were led by students and parents and the Palestinians quickly ended their attacks on schools and universities?
as the old saying goes.....
you can outlaw guns, but outlaws will always have guns.
creating more stringet gun control laws in the USA would only take away guns from people that obey the law. Ask any cop that arrest people with guns how many of those were bought legally.
Leave it to the BBC to spew about what it doesn't know.
Incredible that the left cries about Bush supposedly going against the Constituiton, but they don't mind going after the 2nd Amendment.
leave to the BBC to believe that our 2nd amendment is archaic.....
BBC, fu.....k you.....yes, as classy as the BBC.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:27 pmKnuckle-dragging, poorly educated, poorly informed lunatics like Captain Kirk show just how far we have to go in order to move forward as a nation. While clearly he feels he is the one "in the know" the people here understand what he does not; he is the useful idiot. He is the ignorant one. He is the enabler of that which undermines the nation's health and well-being. His ignorant posts and spastic anger show his true colors. Clearly he is frustrated that anyone would make him feel insecure about his beliefs. Otherwise he wouldn't feel compelled to visit the TP board and heap abuse upon people that he doesn't know and trumpet his ignorance and stupidity for all to see.
CK, you are a small, sad and utterly pathetic individual. None of your insults or anger towards us changes that. I pity you, but most certainly do not forgive you. You choose to be this way, even if somewhere deep down inside you know it isn't right.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:28 pmHey Capt. Kirk; This is just a guess, but didn’t you go to Regency college.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:28 pmShorja market was "perceived" to be a safe and open place.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:28 pmThe real issue is gun control.
Now the Capt. is getting to the meat of his disdain.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:29 pmshane,
why do you post such stupid comments? try to type something intelligence. I have been reading your posts and as my Democrat friends says of your posts, you are embarrasment to the Democrat party. :)
April 17th, 2007 at 5:30 pmZooey:I have some goofballs if you would like some…
:D
Comment by whiteyfresh — April 17, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
whitefresh, we have plenty of goofballs around here already, or did you not see the posts of Captain Jerk and the others.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:30 pmOdd how a number of trolls, led by the outerspace cap'n showed up at once on this thread. They were not on the last one. Does anybody who has tenure here know if we are dealing with one troll.
Not that it really matters...just curious. You know, "Seen one troll, smelled 'em all.
From a song from "Carousel," speaking of the captain of a fishing boat in the 1800s
"The first time I met him a whiff of his clothes knocked me flat on the floor of the room..."
I seem to have this problem with the cap'n as well.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:31 pmCaptain Kirk,
Do you think it's wrong that the world fears what we could do to them -- since we attacked Iraq for no reason?
Do you doubt Global Warming exists?
Are you truly confident that the house of cards that is our economy will stand for much longer?
The rich do take advantage of the poor. It's in their interest to keep the poor "in their place." Look it up.
Corporations take advantage of everyone except their owners -- even you.
This president has more power than any president in our history. You can look it up.
Keep living in your little dream world.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:32 pmHas anyone mentioned that if we had equal and comprehensive health services, this troubled boy could have been diagnosed and given psychiatric care and thus could have avoided this terrible tragedy?
April 17th, 2007 at 5:32 pmWhy do the rightwing nuts come here to spread their hatred, intolerance and narrow-minded view of everything that isn't theirs?
April 17th, 2007 at 5:33 pmLeave them alone and they'll go home, wagging their tails behind them.
#
if we are going to use comparisons more people die in Americas highways than they do in Iraq.
An American soldier has a greater chance of dying driving from his American home to his American military base than he/she does serving in Iraq.
More people die of heart attacks per year in America than Iraqis die per year since 2003.
leave it to the left wing extremist to politicize the Virginia Tech tragedy.
you people are beyond help and quite disgusting.
Comment by Captain Kirk — April 17, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
Using this logic the attack of 9/11 & subsequents deaths can be ignored since more folks die on highways. Almost any tragedy can be diminished with such faulty thinking. Of course this type of thinking is used hypocritically to make points & ignore truths.
I doubt the people of Iraq are too sympathetic to the U.S. They understand this kind of killing all too well. Maybe GWB should be out in other countries killing students in colleges so they don't get killed in U.S. colleges... seems right up his alley.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:33 pmNo need for violence, Zooey. I’m here to help.
At least whiteyfresh is happy to see me.
Comment by Yenta's Protege
He's the one with the goofballs.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:34 pmHas anyone mentioned that if we had equal and comprehensive health services, this troubled boy could have been diagnosed and given psychiatric care and thus could have avoided this terrible tragedy?
Comment by trueblue
Now you're going to get the Captain's eyeballs spinning in his head.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:36 pmMerlin,
I also believe their aren't as many actual trolls as there are monikers of trolls. There is a handful of regulars who would have us think the numbers are larger. They are the same morons. A dwindling population of die hards, or unemployable people who work for the RNC.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:37 pmComment from CK: "try to type something intelligence."
You first.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:37 pmtrueblue,
People who are troubled in our society get even more abuse at the hands of their peers. I'm willing to bet this kid was ridiculed.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:38 pmActually,
The guy probably had health care throught the school.
But the warning signs of this crap are usually ignored. Mental health is stigmatized in the US.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:39 pmI have been reading your posts and as my Democrat friends says of your posts, you are embarrasment to the Democrat party. :)
Comment by Captain Kirk
My first thought: You can read? It's not evident from your posts.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:39 pm2nd thought: Talking to your imaginary friends again?
like a good typical extreme left wing wacko you are a paranoid foo…..sorry, jake and I aren’t the same person……leave it to the wackos from the left to be so paranoid.
Comment by Captain Kirk — April 17, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
Doesn't matter, you robot all shares one little brain and one page of talking points.
You should be paranoid because we're coming after the likes of you. Scurry, flee, hide because TP has your info on file and there are liberal hackers looking for a bunch of missing emails and any other juicy stuff out there.
Oh by the way, still waiting for your proof of military services, Captain Squirt. Maybe the hackers can look for that while they're hunting for the rest of the dirt on you.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:40 pmNow you’re going to get the Captain’s eyeballs spinning in his head.
Comment by Zooey
I try very hard to scroll right past their posts.
I don't like the heartburn I usually get from indulging them.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:41 pmWhat the hell is a goofball…..
Comment by ForTruth — April 17, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
There those two little tiny round things next to the toothpick in Captain Kirk's pants.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:46 pmOy!
Shall we leave you two?
Comment by Yenta’s Protege
I still owe you a smack on the head….
Comment by Zooey — April 17, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Zooey why all the violence. YP is just trying to do her job.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:48 pmDennis Kucinich (D-OH) is planning to introduce a bill of impeachment in the House against Vice President Dick Cheney.
Democrats are on politically safe ground impeaching Dick Cheney.....
April 17th, 2007 at 5:49 pmHas anyone mentioned that if we had equal and comprehensive health services, this troubled boy could have been diagnosed and given psychiatric care and thus could have avoided this terrible tragedy?
Comment by trueblue — April 17, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
And if Ronald Reagan hadn't closed all the mental hospitals there might still be a place where his family could take him to get some help.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:57 pmYou're right, ForTruth, mental health is totally stigmatized.
As for picking on the weak:
As a young adult, I was going through a crying jag and feeling sorry for myself, etc.
My brother came to me (re: the "Why, me question)
and said,
"Do you know why we picked on you so much when we were young?
Because you couldn't take it."
I think I have an idea what he felt.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:57 pmNow you’re going to get the Captain’s eyeballs spinning in his head.
Comment by Zooey — April 17, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
What have they been doing up until now, popping in and out?
April 17th, 2007 at 5:58 pmZooey why all the violence. YP is just trying to do her job.
Comment by shane
She gets paid for that!?
April 17th, 2007 at 6:02 pmWhat have they been doing up until now, popping in and out?
Comment by shane
Yep. See how problematic the spinning will be? :D
April 17th, 2007 at 6:03 pmaaah... good to be home..
April 17th, 2007 at 6:08 pm#160...
Roger,
are you as dumb as what you type? heap abuse upon those that post here? please......
and oh no, you don't forgive me?!! what shall I do, I am quacking in my boots....Roger doesn't forgive me...
please you know as well as I do that the only small minded, intolerant fools are you.
There is a reason why Lenin called his left wing followers useful idiots. You should open up a book and try to educate yourself.
As I told someone earlier....the only reason I come in here is to post, get the left wing wackos like you all riled up and have a good laugh at your stupidity. your simple minded robots, parrots, brainless fools of the left are way too easy to control and manipulate.
thanks for the laughs roger, now post again for my personal amusment son. :)
April 17th, 2007 at 6:08 pmwhat would "her job" be, shane?
April 17th, 2007 at 6:08 pm"And the people of Iraq feel that either the Americans are not stopping it or they’re actually causing it."
Or the real answer the terrorists are causing it.
April 17th, 2007 at 6:09 pmyou gotta love how CK tries to use derogatory terms (i.e> boy, son..)to make his own deflated ego bigger...
April 17th, 2007 at 6:11 pmthe meat of the issue is that the left, as always is using a horrific event to push their political agenda and most of the left wing wackos that post here are too blind and too robotic to realize how disgusting this is...
poor little B.Fly claimed that Bush's spoken was using this event to defend the 2nd Amendment, when asked to put up the name of this individual the poor fool ran away with his tail between his legs.
most of the extreme left wingers that post here are an embarrasment to humanity. I am ashamed for each and everyone of you.
just post away and make me laugh little ones....
children of the left, I just treat you how you treat anyone that disagrees with you, incredible how you dont' like to be treated the way you treat others.....speaks tons of your hypocrisy, but what else is new, right? everyone knows that the left=hypocrisy and lack of education.
April 17th, 2007 at 6:11 pmyeah Tracy, right. All 3-5% of the total violence....
April 17th, 2007 at 6:13 pmWhitey,
Did you have CK in your pocket...?
April 17th, 2007 at 6:14 pmshane...
are you admitting that thinkprogress.org illegaly takes down personal information and sells it to left wing wackos like you so that you can turn around and do harm to those that you disagree with?
are you admitting that the left is full of amoral fools that love to do illegal stuff to get back at those that the left disagrees with?
shane, you are an embarrasment to women, to humanity and to your party. I am embarrased for you child. but nice of yout o admit that the left is full of individuals that love breaking the law and love doing anything and everything nthat is amoral.
April 17th, 2007 at 6:15 pmeveryone knows that the left=hypocrisy and lack of education.
Comment by Captain Kirk
Where did you get your GED? How many tries?
April 17th, 2007 at 6:15 pmWHOA!! i just cut on the TV and Lou Dobbs sounds like a Transformer...SWEEEET
April 17th, 2007 at 6:15 pm(and NO, it's not the goofballs)
The Captain sez...
AFLAC!!!!
Oh, you just can't make this stuff up. Thanks for the laughs CK. You couldn't do more to make your side look worse or ours look better.
April 17th, 2007 at 6:18 pm? did he pop out when i did and reappear when i did? he must have a crush on me...
(CK rocks feverishly in front of his computer.
"Where is he?" he ponders to himself."I miss him SOOO much!"\A bead of sweat trickles down his forehead. He is feeling weak from hunger, but he dares not leave because he just can't function without his precious whitey...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!
April 17th, 2007 at 6:19 pmThere is a reason why Lenin called his left wing followers useful idiots. You should open up a book and try to educate yourself. Comment by Captain Kirk — April 17, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
This is why Hitler murdered his 'useless idiots', when he came into power. You're only useful in getting your leaders there, and then they will incinerate you along with the rest of the trash.
Educate yourself - dum bass.
As I told someone earlier….the only reason I come in here is to post, get the left wing wackos like you all riled up and have a good laugh at your stupidity. your simple minded robots, parrots, brainless fools of the left are way too easy to control and manipulate. Comment by Captain Kirk — April 17, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
That's why we know you're st*pid. Progressives come here to post, left wingers post on the La Rouche sites. Idiot.
While we're on parroting, would you like a cracker polly? Because nohting you post shows any originality, brains or skills beyond copying and pasting from an Ann C*nter book.
thanks for the laughs roger, now post again for my personal amusment son. :) Comment by Captain Kirk — April 17, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
Son, you come here because it's amusing for you to lie, and spread hate. Then again, all poorly raised children, and of st*pid stock like yourself that are raised by wolves always behave like a piece of sh*t brat like yourself. St*pid *ssh*le.
April 17th, 2007 at 6:22 pm? did he pop out when i did and reappear when i did? he must have a crush on me…
(CK rocks feverishly in front of his computer.
“Where is he?†he ponders to himself.â€I miss him SOOO much!â€\A bead of sweat trickles down his forehead. He is feeling weak from hunger, but he dares not leave because he just can’t function without his precious whitey…
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!
Comment by whiteyfresh
OY! Competition...
April 17th, 2007 at 6:23 pm;)
everyone knows that the left=hypocrisy and lack of education.
Comment by Captain Kirk
Yet your side claims we're the liberal 'elite', and that we're over educated.
You're such a st*pid r*t*rded little schizoid.
April 17th, 2007 at 6:23 pmRoger....
are you as dumb as what you type here? obviously you are too slow to get humor aren't you......
anyway, nice to know that like every extreme left winger, all you are is pure talk and all parrot......
don't worry, I think as low of you as you think of me. I laugh as hard at you as you laugh at me.
so as I ordered you and you followed the order so well, post again my young fool and make me laugh, post for my amusement. :)
you left wingers are so easy to rile up and control, it is honestly pathetic, you children give me a good laugh. thanks, honestly, thank you.
who will post next and make me laugh?
April 17th, 2007 at 6:24 pmwhat would “her job†be, shane?
Comment by whiteyfresh — April 17, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
I'm going to break into song here:
"Matchmaker, matchmaker, make me a match, find me a find, catch me a catch ...
Oh you should see me dancing around my keyboard.
April 17th, 2007 at 6:27 pm#4 you stupid moronic worthless idiot! This is the right time to talk about it. Maybe when people are suffering a loss they might have some empathy for Iraqi loss (or the loss of troop lives). Otherwise it is Imus Anna Nicole, or some other piece of crap which the media focuses on. For right wing twats like you ther is no time which is right. Why don't you go out shopping! Thats how the Moron in chief tells how to deal with war. It should also help with a local tragedy!
April 17th, 2007 at 6:29 pmValient,
I guess you can't read, eh? I am only treating like all of you treat those you disagree with.....nice to know that like a good hypocrite, you dn't like it.
if you cant' stand the heat, get out of the kitchen little one.....I mean ill-informed one.......
furthermore, the left wingers are so stupid, you are a perfect proof of this valient, that you do consider yourself elites despite the fact that you have zero education. Leave to the left to be uneducated elites. :)
much love little one... :)
April 17th, 2007 at 6:29 pmNO ONE CAN TAKE ME AWAY FROM MY PRINCESS OF PROGRESS!!!toodles Z!!
:)
Ugh. the last thing I want to see is Tucker on VT campus. I'm going to go watch Monday Night Raw(DVR'd)
Bye Yenta!
Don't cry CK, I'll be back soon....
April 17th, 2007 at 6:29 pmshane, you are an embarrasment to women, to humanity and to your party. I am embarrased for you child. but nice of yout o admit that the left is full of individuals that love breaking the law and love doing anything and everything nthat is amoral.
Comment by Captain Kirk — April 17, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
My point was to prove that you were the one who is paranoid when you were accusing us of being paranoid. Mission accomplished huh Captain Squirting His Pants. FYI, I don't work for TP so I wouldn't know what they do. But you sure got your undies in a bundle little girlie man.
So are you ready to admit you never served in the military?
April 17th, 2007 at 6:30 pmshane: I almost fell out of my chair!!!
April 17th, 2007 at 6:31 pmlater all....
plus I'm going to "break the law" while I watch Raw...
April 17th, 2007 at 6:32 pmYou are sooooo funny, shane.
Yes, those are my services, although I am not yet the caliber of "Yenta".
(Great. Now Fiddler on the Roof songs are in my head!)
April 17th, 2007 at 6:33 pmvalient....you do know that the "progressives" was a term invented by left wingers that were too ashamed to be called liberals, right oh "educated" one?
did your mommy drop you too many times on your head? I think shane and you make the perfect couple, both stupid and dropped too many times on the left side of the head....
hey valient, does it hurt when you try to think?
man do I have fun playing with your simple mind valient....I await your comical, incoherent, ill-informed post.....
c'mon guy, don't stop, post so that I may laugh at you. :)
much love little one....
April 17th, 2007 at 6:33 pmComment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — April 17, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
You are my FAVORITE troll hunter and Captain Jerk is the nastiest prey.
April 17th, 2007 at 6:33 pmi hope to get 'amoral' later...
April 17th, 2007 at 6:33 pm;)
(CK rocks feverishly in front of his computer.
“Where is he?†he ponders to himself.â€I miss him SOOO much!â€\A bead of sweat trickles down his forehead. He is feeling weak from hunger, but he dares not leave because he just can’t function without his precious whitey…
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!
Comment by whiteyfresh
That's just too creepy scary, whitey.
April 17th, 2007 at 6:35 pmGreat. Now Fiddler on the Roof songs are in my head!)
Comment by trueblue — April 17, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
That's why I think Zooey should let you practice.
April 17th, 2007 at 6:35 pmThe Captain carried on...
Man, the pure, unadulterated trailer-park ignorance permeates every thing this guy says. I picture the banjo kid from 'Deliverance' at the local library feverishly typing away as if what he said had the impact his wish it did.
April 17th, 2007 at 6:36 pm#194
Where are you getting that BS number from?
April 17th, 2007 at 6:36 pmComment by trueblue — April 17, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
That’s why I think Zooey should let you practice.
Comment by shane
SH*T!
Forgot to change the name.
Grrrr......
April 17th, 2007 at 6:40 pmroger,
you obey well.....good left winger, good little one.....no wonder you are a liberal.....you know how to blindly follow anything that anyone says.
now post again for my amusment little one........you know how to obey orders well...
post and amuse me oh ignorant one.... :)
April 17th, 2007 at 6:40 pmCole's comment was brilliant... it brought the reality of Iraq home to us... imagine facing this every day... the American people need to realize this and push for an end to the war...
April 17th, 2007 at 6:43 pmIt’s sad to see how many people are dealing problems with violence.
April 17th, 2007 at 6:51 pmSome religions encourage people to take revenge on others; some regimes use violence to control their people. While some video games teach kids how to be violent; some adults show to kids how to solve problems with violence without noticing what influence they might give.
It happens not only between people and people, but also between nations. As one of the leading country in the world, the U.S. government should not show their leadership in a violent way. Bush’s “War on Terror†is one of the great examples.
It is clear that the military solution is continuing to worsen the situation in Iraq, so now is time to reinforce a humanitarian aid to bring peace to the world.
Instead spending $522 billion on U.S. military budget and wasting our precious lives by sending more troops, we can use the money to save so many lives by providing food, water access and sanitation. According to The Borgen Project, it only costs $19 billion to eliminate global hunger.
I hope our next political leader will make a commitment to the U.N.’s Millennium Development Goals to stop the global poverty and make the world a better place.
SH*T!
Forgot to change the name.
Grrrr……
Comment by trueblue
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......deep breath.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
April 17th, 2007 at 6:54 pmKirk, i'm a trekkie and you not only give our series a bad name, but you are assorted of all the bullsh*t values a trekkie should never ever praise....
Fck U.
Brainless klingons are not welcomed.At least they showed some courage,unlike you.
April 17th, 2007 at 7:03 pmAnother harrowing gun tragedy. It's beyond awful I have been reading all these mails and what strikes me is how polarised you are in the USA -- left or right. It's pretty sad. I wonder what would bring yous all together. All my life I have wanted either Jesus or the martians or whatever to come down and bang people's heads together.
April 17th, 2007 at 7:18 pmBecause we enjoy our lives so much, we forget that other countries live with death and violence on a daily basis. OUr presence in Iraq has guaranteed its continuance. If we took our heads out of the sand and valued life more than the right to carry a gun, this would not be happening so frequently.
April 17th, 2007 at 7:23 pmFor Captain Kirk, when 30 something americans are killed within a university, it´s a shameless, national tragedy that should be taken with all the respect and class it deserves. When thousands of Iraqis are killed, they are collateral damage in the name of democracy.
And this is the guy that said that he would rather see Iraqi children died than his own children. Just a sociopath imagines this gore movie scenario involving innocent people. Well, there you have it, piece of sh*t. Americans killed for no reason, just as Iraqis are blown to pieces for no reason. Dont be sad about the VA tech incident cause it is the same situation you defend in Iraq.
April 17th, 2007 at 7:44 pmALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.
3 dozen Americans dead.
3 dozen Iraqis dead.
Equal.
Do Americans act like it?
Some of us do.
Maybe because of that attitude we have done things... bad things.... and that is why so many of "them" around the world hate us.
The VT case is mostly about a lack of anger control. This guy probably had good reasons to be angry. But that doesnt mean you (or ANYONE) gets to go shootup a bunch of innocent people out of anger.
April 17th, 2007 at 8:58 pm#227 - Well said, Juan.
April 17th, 2007 at 9:04 pmProfessor Cole is right on target.
And wow -- pull an ostrich's head out of the sand, and boy! Do they get pissed off! Whoooee!!
Take a big deep whiff of the coffee, zipperheads. You have got to deal with reality sooner or later.
April 17th, 2007 at 9:11 pmBut that doesnt mean you (or ANYONE) gets to go shootup a bunch of innocent people out of anger.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr
I think the guy was sick, not only angry. How come he had access to a 9 mm AND a 22 with the mental disorder he had goes beyond me. I guess it´s right when they say US is the land of opportunities.
Zoo. ;)
April 17th, 2007 at 9:11 pmJuan,
From what I've read, this guy had his problems, but he wasn't adjudicated mentally ill. I guess some of his classmates thought he could be a "school shooter." He was referred for counseling, but that wouldn't show up on a background check. He apparently purchased the guns legally.
April 17th, 2007 at 9:21 pmSuch opportunity...wow. :}
my Party has to grudgingly accept you loonies the way the Right has to accept the nut job religious types.
Comment by joe #112
..."loonies" like me tried to tell you fence straddling "civil" cowards...
...that we should fight all the way to keep Bushiva out of office...
...but Al Gore and you DLC'ers capitulated with minimal resistance...
...allowing the Karl Rove, Tom DeLay thugs to stop the Florida vote recount...
...and SCOTUS to install this TREASONOUS criminal scumbag as president...
...we "loonies" marched and screamed against the msm's propagandizing the "Showdown to Iraq"...
...while you weak kneed appeasers joined the sorry a*s bandwagon...
...caving in to your idiotic, inbred, racist, vengeful, warmongering Bushite:
family members
neighbors
friends
co-workers
...and THEN you betrayed us by voting for Bushiva in '04...
...effectively DESTROYING any chance for this country to return to sanity...
...or regain the world's respect and admiration...
...joe...
...Bushiva and L'il Dick have cursed you and your family...
...and YOU don't have the sense to realize it...
...who's the "LOONEY"?
April 17th, 2007 at 9:28 pmOK, here is how it stands. When one side of any conflict begins to fight "dirty" then either a third party forces them to pay a penalty for their transgression, or the opponent is left with a difficult choice: fight equally dirty, or lose nobly. If the stakes are high, and defeat is not an option, you are left with no choice but to resort to baser tactics.
Moderates, usually passive and accepting, pondering both sides of the fence, and many republicans as well, are disgusted with the neoconservatives' gross abuse of everything that America stands for, and outright destruction of decades of hard work, as well as decades of future labor needed to mend the problems they created, and are still creating.
They stepped over the line, and now the sensible elements of the nation are scrabbling for any weapon that can be found to fight the Washington spinmasters and their media domination, as well as their subservient citizen base. Something has to roust those people from their vapor dream, and we're damned if we'll die nobly to preserve their fantasy world.
This particular string posting is not at all relevant to the issues discussed herein, but I am frustrated by the complete lack of logical faculty displayed by some of its writers. Captain Kirk, you were the first one over the dirty tactics line with blatant argumentum ad hominem. You can't expect to win any argument solely by insulting the opposition, and I have seen no evidence or reasoning presented by you whatsoever. As for your comrades, if you can present a valid argument supporting Bush then I and even the most left-wing nut job will be happy to listen. Unfortunately for you, I do not believe such an argument exists, especially seeing as I cannot conceive of a single beneficial thing his administration has done for the United States. Not one. You do support him for a reason, right? Could you please elaborate? If you represent your position lucidly I will retract the limited hostility I showed in this post.
April 17th, 2007 at 9:37 pmHe apparently purchased the guns legally.
Such opportunity…wow. :}
Comment by Zooey
Thats simply amazing. I recall Bowling for Columbine. I remember the old guy in Columbine that could not speak becuz started crying. Heartbreaking. You, americans are such a bunch of nice people, how come we only see the worst in you (Guns, War, Spending big money, fast food, bring them on, depleted uranium, shopping malls, extreme capitalism, consumer society, plastic bodies, etc? (I dont mean you, Zoo...of course)
April 17th, 2007 at 9:41 pmJames,
I agree with you about the lack of logic displayed here and in particular with your criticism of Captain Kirk. But I think you over-estimate him. I see no evidence of any desire on his part to acknowledge logic or to use it. He has no desire to win an argument because that requires arguing. He prefers invectives, insults, personal attacks, and an occasional unsupported assertion. It is futile to attempt a meeting of minds with him and others like him. All we do is feed his ego; after all, he readily admitted that he derives great pleasure from annoying others and from the attention he gets. I'm inclined to believe that anyone who attempts to address him is irresponsible in just the same way that an adult is irresponsible if he knowingly provokes a child to misbehave.
April 17th, 2007 at 9:50 pmI behooves both sides to not attempt to "score political points" - Derbyshire and Blake or us with Iraq or gun control laws. At least not right now. Cover what happened if you want to - but save the lessons for a few weeks.
April 17th, 2007 at 9:59 pmNot sure what "us" you are referring to.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:04 pmYou, americans are such a bunch of nice people, how come we only see the worst in you (Guns, War, Spending big money, fast food, bring them on, depleted uranium, shopping malls, extreme capitalism, consumer society, plastic bodies, etc? (I dont mean you, Zoo…of course)
Comment by Juan C
I sometimes think that's what some of us want people outside the US to see. As if they think it impresses people in other countries that we're so "tough" and "rich." But in reality, I think it just makes people sick and disgusted.
Just a thought.
I'm glad you didn't mean me, Juan. For a minute, I thought you'd found out about my plastic body.... :D
April 17th, 2007 at 10:11 pmMark, I am inclined to agree with you. However likely it may be that you are right, if we wish to represent the right-thinking and reasonable we are left with no alternative but to listen to what even the most depraved of our opposition has to say. If we call him names and shut him up then we are no better than he is. He must be permitted to make his case, if he has one. If not, then he should realize that he is using the forum equivalent of terrorism to make an otherwise simple argument grey, in support of an administration that has done nothing for him yet has fueled international war and instability in the middle east to make a select spread of corporations wealthier.
I see a simple deductive conclusion in this thread:
1) Thirty-three people died in a US university.
2) No sane American would support more "war in Virginia"
3) Significantly more than thirty-three people die in Iraq every day.
4) Yet a certain percent of Americans seem to support more war in Iraq.
The inconsistency here is clear. Why would Captain Kirk support Bush if he's getting equally screwed as the rest of us? We need to try to make people like him understand that the whole point of democracy is that each person supports what they think is right. I am not knowingly provoking him to misbehave, as you have (tactfully, thank you) suggested. I am trying to get him to question his assumptions. If it turns out that he is beyond considering his assumptions, then I have lost nothing but a few minutes of my time.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:15 pmJames,
I certainly understand your position and its underlying idealism. (As a professor of philosophy, I confess to a residue of idealism myself.) I'm not recommending that anyone "call him names" or "shut him up," for that would certainly make us no better than he is, as you said. He should be permitted to make his case, but until he actually makes a case, he should be ignored. Being ignored is not being censored; it merely reflects a demand for certain minimal standards of intellectual and moral integrity.
You're right about the deductive conclusion and the inconsistency, but again, he and others like him don't value consistency. I doubt whether we could ever "make him understand" because he doesn't have any desire to understand. He desires only to be right at all times and by any means except rational argument. Yes, in principle it would be desirable to get him to "question his assumptions," but why would someone like him, so willing to insult, deprecate, condescend, and laugh at us all the time he's doing so, care to question anything, let alone his assumptions? (If you think I'm exaggerating, look at his replies to this thread; many of them are appalling.)
I'm not sure if I understood your last point, but I want to state that I wasn't implying that you or anyone else was knowingly provoking him to misbehave. What I was suggesting is that, at a certain point, it should become clear that attempts at a meeting of minds through rational argument are utterly futile and merely provoke him further. I'm suggesting, further, that this point has been reached with him. His undisguised glee and gloating are evidence of this.
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The horror. The bloodshed. The carnage. Hell on Earth. You can't escape the truth. Neither can I. American troops, the Iraqis -- everyone is being butchered. Lied into a war without justification - Americans have been brought to their knees by the Sunni and Shia death squads. There is no food, no water, no jobs, The country is in peril. Over 500,000 civilians have been killled as est. by Johns Hopkins Univ. Over 70% of Americans support an immediate withdrawal. The 1-party state has been ousted as retribution for this crime of epic proportions. The American people have spoken.
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April 17th, 2007 at 10:30 pmwhy don’t you imbeciles go to Virginia Tech and tell them how what happened there is comparable to what is going on in Iraq and then let me know how many bullet holes you mindless tools come back with.
why don’t you flaghumping jesus-jacking nazis go to Iraq and tell them how what happened there is comparable to what happened at Virginia tech and then let me know how many bullet holes you come back with?
hey Jake , Kirk, jackoff, whatever your name is... Juan really hit a nerve, didnt we? at least the people in Virginia know they can safely attend funerals for their loved one without fear they will be killed also. oh wait, i forgot, im not supposed to give a shit about the brown people my tax dollars helping to kill..
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/17/vatech.writings/index.html
I'm sure this poor deluded fellow was merely brainwashed by the dogma of some theatre professor getting his fabulous fatwas from the dirty sodomite "man-lips" of Ayatollah Pelosi . If this guy had a decent, traditional, god-fearing education he would know that brown people are supposed to be on the RECEIVING end of our 2nd amendment rights! sheesh...some people really wanna rock the boat...
I didnt know the hundreds of thousands of people in iraq more than I did the 33 people killed in virginia... according to your logic, the peopel in virginia are more important, but frankly, im more bothered by the hundreds of thousands dead in iraq.. why? because they are being killed in my name and with my tax dolllars...and there are ALOT more of them...
watching you melt down is truly amusing, glad to know the nerve has been struck... are you going to keep crying and cursing and sh!tting in your diapers all night little girl?
April 18th, 2007 at 2:00 amThank god someone spoke to this topic.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:33 amWe in America don't seem to care about Iraqis. 365,000 Iraqis have died in our war over the course of roughly 4 years. That is about 250 Iraqi deaths a day.
All this so we can take the war to their streets instead of ours. Well, I guess it has worked since we haven't been attacked in 5 years. I guess it was worth it?
People being terrorized at a college in one nation is TOTALLY different than people being terrorized at a college in another nation? hummm.....You say there's obviously no connection here, but then you want us to beleive there's a connection between Iraq and 9-11??????
April 18th, 2007 at 11:52 amIts unbelievable the first comments on this topic. How can you possibly take those views when your country has absolutely destroyed Iraq. Comparing your lives to others and then saying your life is better, HOW FREAKING IGNORANT ARE YOU! This is why I truly loath Americans, and quite frankly being a Canadian (being right next to you ignorant country) and being associated with you disgusts me.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:55 amwhat is a Slogger, is that a typo, or is there a new spin on the word Blog? Social Blogger would be redundant, I'm confused.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:38 pm#246
Ditto
April 18th, 2007 at 1:27 pmWhere's the humanity in all this?
i'd first like to say that we can THANK THE PAPARAZZI on this one for immediately broadcasting an event that should respectfully have time to unfold and be contained. News spread like wildfire and it was completely intrusive and unnecessary to prod at such a tragic event without giving it time to unfold. ** 24-hour news is like a horde of gnats just waiting for somethin juicey to devour.** . . . another heaping American epidemic
ITS A TERRIBLE THING THAT HAPPENED AT VIRGINIA TECH, BUT THE REAL DAMAGE WAS DONE BEFORE THE SHOOTING WITH FAILURES IN OUR SYSTEM AND OUR NARROWED VIEW OF THE EVENT.
Metal detectors and better security is not the answer to this problem, but if you want to waste your time with that... by all means, we've got stuff to change at the volatile tip of the social pyramid.
~RED
April 18th, 2007 at 1:31 pmPoor "Kirk", as well as those replying to him who sank to his illiterate and pathetic level, read like the next Cho. What has happened to "civilized discourse"? Has it gone the way of soi-disant civilization?
April 18th, 2007 at 4:44 pmYes, and everyday 7000 babies are aborted in India. Oh wait, that doesn't serve to promote the leftist mission statement.
It's pretty sad when you top scientologists to become the coldest vulture to use the dead for your gain. Good job, that's progress!
April 18th, 2007 at 8:56 pmPOOR, POOR, SOULS STILL TRAPPED IN THE LEFT, RIGHT ILLUSION AMERICA IS BEING DESTROYED BY DESIGN FROM THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT. THE DEMS HAVE BEEN IN OFFICE FOR 100 PLUS DAYS. HAVE THEY MOVED TO REPEAL THE MILITARY COMISSIONS ACT THAT OBLITERATED HABIS CORPUS THE LINCH PIN OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS? NO!! HAVE THEY MOVED TO GET US OUT OF IRAQ? NO! IN THIS WORLD THERE ARE ONLY HAVES AND HAVE NOTS.THE PEOPLE MAY HAVE SPOKEN BUT THE "ELECTED" CORPORATE WHORES DIDNT LISTEN. EVERY THING YOU KNOW IS A LIE!!! CAN YOU SAY REVOLUTION????
April 18th, 2007 at 9:00 pmParkman,
April 18th, 2007 at 11:23 pmI agree with you. some of these "people" sound like they are the next school shooters.
EVERYONE in America should have a gun! And the bullets should be distributed freely. Then you can shoot each other until nobody is left and the world is free again.
The few Americans who disagree with that are welcome in countries where people actually use their brain from time to time. But I guess most of them left America already.
Have a nice shooting day!
April 19th, 2007 at 2:15 amhey retards..people are killed there because of beliefs mostly, while the VT incident and columbine and etc. were from rejects in the u.s.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:50 amThe guy who cant get back to sleep is bang on. The whole idea of right vs left was created so ignorant f*cks like you would argue over trivial things while the U.S.A. was destroyed by design from the inside. This has been planned for a very long time and cannot be stopped, the only question is whether we live in "1984" or "brave new world", not just you guys in america but the whole world. Do you guys have any idea that exactly the same thing thats happening in your country was done in the 3rd reich, if you had asked any german at the time if they would turn into a fascist state they would have laughed at you "we have laws to stop that from happening, duhh". your laws that stop that from happening to you dont exist anymore thanks to your "elected" president. Politicians are just actors, have you ever listened to what they actually say, its all just abstract and what you think you want to hear, they get chosen for their ability to look like they believe what they are saying. WAKE THE F*CK UP YOU C*NTS!!!!! and to captain anal fist kirk, how old are you? ill bet your about 15 and get molested by your dad on a bi-weekly basis, does he have a few glasses of scotch then tell you youve been bad and need some rebuke. then does he make you give him head to get him started then bend you over and give you the full force and hammer it home? you little f*cktard, you have no f*cking idea about anything, if you see anything you disagree with you call it extreme left just like your masturbatory fantasies bill o'reily and sean hannity. Thousands of people die every day, that is what is sad, its not which country they are from, while africa has more, africa was never a safe place, except before colonialisation, the reason why people are sayin about iraq is that iraqi universities used to be a safe place untill you c*nts rocked on up and raped their country, so it is your fault.
if theres gonna be a revolution, sign me up
April 19th, 2007 at 3:09 amI love it? Shall we all pause for a moment of prayer people; then get the good shit on, ha! ha!
April 19th, 2007 at 5:32 amthe vast majority of the comments here are pathetic... captain kirk stop trying to sound clever, it doesn't suit a moron like you.
The "extreme" left/right paradigm is an illusion and I'd suggest you all stop buying into it so shamelessly. The Virginia Tech shootings are tragic, as is everything else occuring every second. Face it, the world we've created is dying and there's nothing left to do now but end it all. You think sitting here talking shite on a website achieves anything? You all just want to sound cleverer than the guy above you so you can pat yourselves on the back, comfort yourself, "at least I know the truth". Haha, the Truth is so beyond all of you it would frighten you if you could even begin to conceptualise it (which you can't, so don't worry).
ALL OF YOU ARE NOTHING BUT FLIES TAKING TURNS TO SPLATTER THEMSELVES ON THE WINDSCREENS OF DECEPTION, REALISE THIS AND ELEVATE OR DIE WITHOUT MEANING IN A MESS LIKE ALL THE REST.
April 19th, 2007 at 9:05 am