Va. Tech killer identified.
By on Apr 17th, 2007 at 9:52 am
Va. Tech killer identified.
“A student gunman originally from South Korea was behind the deadliest massacre in U.S. history, killing 32 people on the campus of Virginia Tech, before taking his own life, police said. The shooter’s name is Cho Seung-Hui, a 23-year-old, who was a senior and an English major at the school, police said.”
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Our collective condolences go out to the affected families.
April 17th, 2007 at 9:56 amwas cho drunk? whorealdo and o’reildup want to know..
April 17th, 2007 at 9:57 amHis girlfriend dumped him for a black guy at the college, so he went to the dorm room and found them in bed, then shot them to death. Then he walked around the college for 2 hours until he went berserk shooting other students then himself.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:02 amHe has been identified, despite earlier reports that he took his own life by shooting himself in the face, making positive ID difficult?
A 9mm shell disfiguring a face to the point where identification becomes difficult???
From the linked article:
Well, now…isn’t that convenient. The shooter goes to all the trouble to eradicate the serial numbers on the guns, but carries around documentation on the weapons in a backpack???
Sound a bit like the 9/11 terrorists conveniently leaving baggage containing confessions, wills, flight manuals, and copies of the Qur’an, doesn’t it?
Folks, keep a real close eye on this one. Something is rotten in Denmark.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:04 amMy kingdom for a tinfoil hat!
April 17th, 2007 at 10:08 amMy god, what the hell made him do this terrible thing? Psychopath…
April 17th, 2007 at 10:09 amjay randal -
SOURCES ?!?!?!?!
jeez…
April 17th, 2007 at 10:10 amWiped clean is an interesting phrase, do they put micro-chips in handguns?
April 17th, 2007 at 10:10 amHaving been a machinist earlier in life, my experience tells me a file or a grinder would be required to remove serial numbers from steel.
This is something one would see on stolen weapons…
“because he can”
April 17th, 2007 at 10:12 amThere is something worng with the accounts so far.
The quick conclusion that the shooter killed himself was not backed up by any direct comment form the police who arrived at Norris.
The cell phone video has the witness first hearing the shots and show the police as already being there but not reacting.
Didn’t the shooting at Norris extend for twenty minures?
There is a lot of dogs not barking here
April 17th, 2007 at 10:13 amComment by TripMaster Monkey — April 17, 2007 @ 10:08 am
Here’s an idea…how about you lay off the namejacking and cheap insults long enough to actually address the points I raised? (That is, if you’re able…)
April 17th, 2007 at 10:16 amI had heard earlier that the serial numbers on both weapons had been etched away. Have the ballistic tests been done yet? Granted, at this point, it’s kind of moot, but the proof would be nice to see.
My condolences to all the families affected by this tragedy.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:16 amMy condolences go to all of the VT families who lost a love one. You never know when it’s your time to leave this earth. You must ensure that your life is right with Jesus because you do not know the minute nor hour when he decides to remove you from this wretched earth. I will continue to pray for the world.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:18 amI read the same story as jay randal described, katy, I am trying to backtrack to find it.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:18 amA hint of this was around yesterday, the initial shooting was considered a “domestic dispute”, somehow the police knew the suspect was “looking for his girlfriend…”
katy > the first person confirmed killed by the gunman was a black male student. The female with him in the dorm room at 7 AM in the morning was the shooter’s former girlfriend. The college police believed it was a domestic dispute and therefore no further killing would occur. Instead the guy went completely nuts and decided to kill as many people as possible, before ending his own life.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:19 amballistics have indicated one of the weapons was used in both locations
April 17th, 2007 at 10:20 amGotta go with Occam’s here. Some guy went nuts, grabbed a gun, and shot a bunch of people. I’m not ready to go all conspiracy on it just yet.
Unless someone can explain to me what purpose would be served, and who it would serve.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:21 amI’m with the Tripmaster on this one. Something is mighty weird about this…
It did get “Torture Boy” Gonzo off the front page, and his Senate hearing postponed — and no doubt overshadowed. Cui Bono, eh?
April 17th, 2007 at 10:23 amthanks raven…
Comment by Jay Randal — April 17, 2007 @ 10:19 am
again – SOURCES !?!?!?
i am not doubting your account – but SOURCE THE INFORMATION.
you should know better…
April 17th, 2007 at 10:25 amCollege police had an error in judgement and should have locked down the whole university after the guy shot his former girlfriend and her lover in the dorm room. The guy escaped into the mass of 25,000 students at Virginia Tech and then went on a killing rampage.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:28 amDOES THE TERM LOVE TRIANGLE RING HOME TO ANYONE? “WERE NOT IN SOUL (KANSAS) ANY MORE TODO”
April 17th, 2007 at 10:29 amDARY, DO YOU OWN ANY GUNS? PLEASE SAY NO….
April 17th, 2007 at 10:34 amSo, not to be a dick (but being one anyway) does that mean Don Imus and Anna Nicole were in on it too?
And, hey, believe me – I smell conspiracy in just about everything. I just don’t see where this would really serve any purpose. An act of international terrorism – yes. Some Korean student going all postal – not so much. It will just postpone the problems of the Bush administration . They’ll still be there when this all calms down.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:34 amI think the story of the details of the “domestic dispute” has been scrubbed…………..cannot find it anywhere in the backlog of sites I’ve viewed………..
April 17th, 2007 at 10:35 amYou must ensure that your life is right with Jesus because you do not know the minute nor hour when he decides to remove you from this wretched earth. I will continue to pray for the world.
Comment by Daryll
What happens to the dead students who weren’t quite “right with Jesus?â€
Comment by Zooey — April 17, 2007 @ 10:27 am
That is Jesus’ decision. He will judge them based on their lives and biblical standards, but I truly feel sorry for their families.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:35 amJay,
The article said the shooter was a loner, and people didn’t know much about him. It’s easy to speculate that the girl dumped him for the guy who was killed with her, but it’s just as easy to speculate that the shooter was obsessed with the girl, and she never even knew he existed.
We should wait for the facts.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:35 amkaty > late last night CNN reported the identity of the first victim in the shooting spree. He was killed in the dorm room at aprox. 7:15 AM and was with a female who was also shot dead. Police reported the shooter was looking for his girlfriend. I am just commenting on his motivation for the crime: jilted boyfriend goes on rampage.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:37 amRoger sez:
Believe me, I’m not ‘going all conspiracy’ at this point. Nevertheless, there are some rather compelling wrinkles in this story.
Well, here’s one for starters…H.R. 1022.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:38 amDaryll…
I went and asked Jesus (he was trimming the hedge at the neighbors)….
April 17th, 2007 at 10:41 amHe couldn’t understand my question.
Zooey > yes the guy could have wanted a relationship and was turned down. Nonetheless the killing started because of his torment over the female. Anybody who shoots people is crazy, so that is obvious.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:41 amMAKES YOU WONDER IF CHO WOULD HAVE BEEN ON HIS OWN TURF, IF HE’D HAVE ACTED/REACTED THIS WAY? AMERICA IS A “WOMAN”
April 17th, 2007 at 10:42 amwell, see jay, I heard on MSNBC last night that the girl MAY have been the shooter’s girlfriend and that the other victim (in the dorm shootings) was an RA who stepped in to help the girl…
you are famous for spouting off your theories as fact -
April 17th, 2007 at 10:43 amyou really should not do that.
It also pisses me off about VT not notifying their students for 2 hours, not doing anything. That aspect was ALL image. They didn’t want any bad PR, they wanted to figure out how to spin the first killings to lessen the PR impact on the school and were trying to figure out how. That is why they ignored notifying students. I HATE how every little move has to be calculated first for impact before doning what is right!
April 17th, 2007 at 10:43 amThat is Jesus’ decision. He will judge them based on their lives and biblical standards, but I truly feel sorry for their families.
Comment by Daryll
So you don’t claim to know the mind of Jesus on this particular issue? Why not? Do the dead get extra consideration for being murdered by a madman?
April 17th, 2007 at 10:45 amMOrning Zooey.I hope my Princess of Progress is doing well today. Wow. I was in Chapel Hill when Wendel Williamson went nuts. I think this is just another case of college pressure and betrayal causing a poor kid to go Ape$hit…
Nods to Raven, Jay Randal, TMM…
April 17th, 2007 at 10:46 amComment by TripMaster Monkey — April 17, 2007 @ 10:04 am
I said something like that last night on the Judiciary Committee wants Paulose interview thread. Possible Black OP and let’s review the past few years…
9-11-01 – USA attacked by Osama so Bush attacks Iraq & Afghanistan
10-26-01 – Patriot Act signed by Bush
3-13-02 – Q: Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden. Why is that?
A: So I don’t know where he is. You know, I just don’t spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I’m more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.
3-20-03 – Iraq invasion….
10-29-04 – Five days before the 2004 presidential election, Osama bin Laden released a video to Al Jazeera; it was his first on camera appearance in nearly three years. It was obvious at the time who benefited politically from this “October surprise.” The tape helped George W. Bush and hurt his challenger, John Kerry. Given the timing and subject matter of the tape, it was clear that Bin Laden was attempting to influence the U.S. election, and, almost surely, knew that the tape would benefit President Bush.
11-02-04 has come and gone and the election is over. George W. Bush not only won the Electoral College votes, but he also won the popular vote as well — by at least three million votes.
Time passes while much happens have a look…
Timeline of Terror Alerts
07′ gives us a Democratic Majority in congress and leads to several scandals… AG hearing set for April 17,2007
4-16-07 – Korean (immigrant) kills 32 during a 4 hour long shooting spree then commits suicide… AG hearing postponed and anti-gun lobby calls for federal gun ban…
When things look bad for Bush some event happens that steals focus from the prize. Coincidence?
April 17th, 2007 at 10:48 amGrassy knoll! Grassy knoll!!
April 17th, 2007 at 10:49 amWell, it seems like just some blatherings by gun nuts. Forgive me, but I still don’t seem to get it.
Furthermore, it would appear that any conspiracy would have to involve the EMTs, the security staff of VT, the local police and basically anyone else involved in the response to the crisis. If there is any “there” there, the details should reveal themselves shortly. People will talk.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:49 amComment by Bluedahlia
Also the fact that the students were told via email. That was stupid.
Not every college student is lucky enough to have a computer in their dorm room. The college dropped the ball on that one.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:50 ammorning, whiteyfresh…..
April 17th, 2007 at 10:50 amkaty > you are famous on here for causing trouble and being a bitch, so I should know better then to SAY ANYTHING TO YOU. I am commenting on this situation and sorry it bursts your bubble that the guy had no reason whatsoever to do a shooting rampage. Ignore me and I will do the same to you. You have never posted one damn thing on TP that was worth anything ever. Go get a life somewhere!
April 17th, 2007 at 10:52 amThat is why they ignored notifying students. I HATE how every little move has to be calculated first for impact before doning what is right!
Comment by Bluedahlia
What gets me is that they thought it sufficient to notify students only by email. I don’t know about anyone else, but once I’m on campus I rarely check my email. UI has a great system where they can notify every student by a mass emailing to our student accounts — but if you don’t check it, you’re walking around campus with not a single clue.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:52 amGood morning, whitey.
Glad you didn’t get caught up in that horror. My cold is progressing, no voice this morning, which is going to thrill my speech prof. Heh.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:54 amOne thing is for certain…. a 23 year old South Korean english major has singlehandedly killed more americans than Al-Queda has in the past 5 years … I’m looking forward to the trolls screaming about the need to fight a war against south korean english majors.
Imagine what Iraq must be like.. things very similar to this happen on a daily basis there…
April 17th, 2007 at 10:57 amThat is Jesus’ decision. He will judge them based on their lives and biblical standards, but I truly feel sorry for their families.
Comment by Daryll
So you don’t claim to know the mind of Jesus on this particular issue? Why not? Do the dead get extra consideration for being murdered by a madman?
Comment by Zooey — April 17, 2007 @ 10:45 am
It’s not how you leave, but it’s how you live. You will be judged on your life. Some days I’m just happy because I woke up. Money, family or professional career means nothing when you’re gone. I’m forever in debt to Jesus. I could be taken off this earth right now, but he has me here for a reason. I haven’t lived a perfect life, but I’ve promised to live for him forever. Everyone, seriously think about your family and your life. The next minute is not promised to you. Please give your lives to Jesus.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:59 amIt also pisses me off about VT not notifying their students for 2 hours, not doing anything. That aspect was ALL image. They didn’t want any bad PR, they wanted to figure out how to spin the first killings to lessen the PR impact on the school and were trying to figure out how. That is why they ignored notifying students. I HATE how every little move has to be calculated first for impact before doning what is right!
Comment by Bluedahlia
Whenever a guy shoots his wife the cops dont shut the whole town down. I dont know how big this campus was, but the campus president or someone yesterday on TV was talking about 30,000+ people .. so maybe it is as big as a small town?
April 17th, 2007 at 10:59 amComment by TripMaster Donkey — April 17, 2007 @ 10:49 am
Earlier, I invited you to take part in the discussion. I take it you’re declining that invitation in favor of anonymous potshots.
That’s fine. From the looks of things, you wouldn’t have been able to contribute anything of value anyway.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:00 amI WISH I had a cold. I’m having 3 teeth “surgically extracted” tomorrow, so I don’t know if I’ll be on the TP at all….
April 17th, 2007 at 11:00 amNo doubt, mistakes by the university were made, but there is no way to forsee this happening. If someone is hell-bent on killing a bunch of people in an open-type environment like a university, there is little that can be done. This guy just went over the edge, and had a methodical plan in place to carry out his evil. Sad thing, and my prayers to all the families.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:00 amI haven’t lived a perfect life, but I’ve promised to live for him forever. Everyone, seriously think about your family and your life. The next minute is not promised to you. Please give your lives to Jesus.
Comment by Daryll
Thanks for the answer, Daryll.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:01 amI’m looking forward to the trolls screaming about the need to fight a war against south korean english majors.
The racist pile of dog sh*t debbie schusshel made that case last night. It wasn’t war on Koreans but asians and foreign by foreign she means non-white foreign students in general.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:02 am#45. KEEP CHANTTING LIKE A GOOD LITTLE ROBOT. JESUS LOVES ROBOTS TOO.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:03 amAlso, security is relaxed on college campuses. While attending ORU, I was able to bring prospective holiness followers (non-students) onto the campus and into my dorm without receiving a security check. This issue must be resolved.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:04 amDarryl: I gave my life to Cap’n Crunch,sorry.His story was more believable…
April 17th, 2007 at 11:04 amSince when can resident aliens legally purchase handguns? If he had a receipt for the guns, he’d have to produce ID. Is it really that easy in VA to purchase a gun?
April 17th, 2007 at 11:06 amBut didn’t Jesus/God/Holy Something Or Other give me my life in the first place? Why would He want it back? He should have kept it in the first place.
Or it could be that religion is a bunch of meaningless nonsense so to try and parse it’s nuances and examine the dogma is like looking for organization in the patterns of foam on the seashore.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:06 am#50.ALL RIGHT ALREADY! YOU GOT ME. I’LL GIVE MY LIKE TO JESUS. WHERE DO I HAND IT OVER? (MY LIFE)
April 17th, 2007 at 11:07 amZooey and Proud Dem,
April 17th, 2007 at 11:08 amAbsolutely,
I have a laptop, but once I am on campus, I don’t check my e-mail. Why, my prof can tell me, right? I mean I am there! You would think they would have a way to let the people there know something or to at least make a decision themselves about coming/leaving or not.
I didn’t have a laptop til a year ago, and I have to tell you, I am in the minority on that one. I just happen to be a non-trad. student. Most reley on the campus computers to get their stuff done.
Very poor way to go about this mess. They need to get their heads out of their butts and think about what is going to help, not what is going to look best for the school.
I haven’t lived a perfect life, but I’ve promised to live for him forever. Everyone, seriously think about your family and your life. The next minute is not promised to you. Please give your lives to Jesus.
Comment by Daryll
Thanks for the answer, Daryll.
Comment by Zooey — April 17, 2007 @ 11:01 am
You’re welcome. I’m here to witness to all of you. I care for your souls. Jesus died on the cross for your sins. How about returning a favor? How about giving your life to him.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:08 amWhy would He want it back? He should have kept it in the first place.
Comment by Roger
Ha ha ha. Great answer.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:10 amggibson > Virginia Tech has over 25,000 students and 2,600 acres of buildings and grounds. The police believed the first incident in the morning was a domestic dispute and therefore not a concern for the other students, but they surmised wrong and 30 other people died for it. CNN just announced another student died of gunshot wounds this morning > 18 year old female. So 33 killed plus the gunman himself.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:10 amComment by Jay Randal — April 17, 2007 @ 10:52 am
jay, you profess to be a writer… you posed that comment as a FACT…
you did not qualify it as an opinion…
you have no knowledge of that guy’s reasons… there you go again…
if you want to continue your “writing career”, i suggest you develop some tougher skin to ward off getting your feelings hurt by construcive criticism… and qualifying your statements…
April 17th, 2007 at 11:11 am…
But didn’t Jesus/God/Holy Something Or Other give me my life in the first place? Why would He want it back? He should have kept it in the first place.
Or it could be that religion is a bunch of meaningless nonsense so to try and parse it’s nuances and examine the dogma is like looking for organization in the patterns of foam on the seashore.
Comment by Roger — April 17, 2007 @ 11:06 am
We were destined for hell, but he died for our sins to save us from hell. He has now given you the choice to either serve him or the devil. If you haven’t followed Acts 2:38, you are not serving Jesus. Please save your soul. I want to see many people in heaven.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:12 amFile this under speculations:
Possible factors influencing rampage by disturbed young man…
1. Young male – more prone to lethal violent rejection and jealousy fueled rage than females, or older persons seasoned by love loss.
2. Racial aspect…history of Korean vs Black antagonism in some US cities, ie LA riots.
3. Possible religious stressor….South Koreans have been heavily proselytized by evangelical christians, who converted many. Korean evangelicals are often strong believers with rigid consciences. Many have immigrated to the US along with their churches and right-wing views.
What will we learn about his religious beliefs, if any, and what frustrations and conflicts may have been intensified by fundamentalist strictures inciting moralistic anger “justifying” his rage.
4. Tech schools are often quite stressful, and foster a culture which is resistant to psychologizing, offering limited mental health services and outreach, overlooking the isolation and harmful competitiveness which comes along with science and engineering disciplines and the students who are drawn to such careers…not always the most emotionally mature or socially adept at an age when few of us are.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:12 amJesus died on the cross for your sins. How about returning a favor? How about giving your life to him.
Comment by Daryll
So a guy I didnt know died on a cross 2000 years ago, without asking me, and Im supposed to be grateful for that? Ha ha ha. Ok, then.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:12 am#59,
April 17th, 2007 at 11:14 amDaryll,
Because I do not belive as you do. I will worry about my own “soul”, thank you. I really don’t think you give a crap about me or my soul. Prety words, though.
Daryll sez:
Daryll, fair warning. Don’t make me post the questions again.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:14 am“Please give your lives to Jesus…”
April 17th, 2007 at 11:15 amBeen there. Done that the last time around, and here I am back.
I won’t make the same mistake again.
katy > you cause trouble not constructive criticism on here. I do not value your opinion about anything. I made a comment and never said it was/is 100% fact. The police are the ones who said the guy was looking for his girlfriend, so go yell at them about it.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:15 amKaty,
April 17th, 2007 at 11:18 amAll you do is come here and knock the good posters without contributing anything of meaning anyway. Why don’t you keep your critisism for the trolls? You are just pissing the rest of us off with your holier than thou crap.
DARRY/ I GOT A GREAT IDEA!! I’LL GET A CROSS AND YOU CRAWL YOUR HOLY MOLY ASS ON IT. AND YOU DIE FOR MY?/ WHAT THE HELL EVERYBODYS SINS AGAIN.!!! I’LL EVEN DRIVE THE NAILS/SPIKES, JUST TO HELP OUT> WHAT DO YOU THINK?
April 17th, 2007 at 11:18 amI WISH I had a cold. I’m having 3 teeth “surgically extracted†tomorrow, so I don’t know if I’ll be on the TP at all….
Comment by whiteyfresh
You won’t feel a thing, whitey. Just make sure you follow the dietary rules afterward, otherwise you will feel it! Take care, I’ll be thinking about you. :-)
April 17th, 2007 at 11:18 amThat’s what’s known as a “false choice.” There are other options. Sounds cheesy, but I choose to serve humankind as best I can. If God sends me to Hell for a life (as I see it) well spent full of good deeds, fun, the pursuit of honesty, truth and beauty, well, screw Him. I wouldn’t want to spend eternity with such a being anyway. Besides, all the people I ever loved or respected won’t make the cut either – so I’d rather be with them anyway.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:19 amABC reported that they took his fingerprints at the scene and matched them with his immigration documents for the positive ID.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3048534&page=1
April 17th, 2007 at 11:19 amAm I gonna need to step in and give katy and Jay Randal bowls of Cap’n Crunch? C’mon guys, it stays crunchy, even in milk!!!
April 17th, 2007 at 11:20 amJesus died on the cross for your sins. How about returning a favor? How about giving your life to him.
Comment by Daryll
Torture a nice guy to death, and say it’s for my sins?
Not on your life, Daryll.
I’d rather burn in your imaginary hell.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:21 amZooey: no Cap’n cRUNCH? If I don’t eat 3 bowls a day it’s considered blasphemy…
April 17th, 2007 at 11:22 amThe police are the ones who said the guy was looking for his girlfriend, so go yell at them about it.
Comment by Jay Randal — April 17, 2007 @ 11:15 am
but you did not say that, jay… you said:
His girlfriend dumped him for a black guy at the college, so he went to the dorm room and found them in bed, then shot them to death. Then he walked around the college for 2 hours until he went berserk shooting other students then himself.
Comment by Jay Randal — April 17, 2007 @ 10:02 am
you should look for a rhetoric or writing class at your local school…
and quit being so defensive… and mean…
April 17th, 2007 at 11:22 amMost reley on the campus computers to get their stuff done.
Very poor way to go about this mess. They need to get their heads out of their butts and think about what is going to help, not what is going to look best for the school.
Comment by Bluedahlia
Have you noticed that the students with laptops are doing pretty much everything except paying attention in class? Facebook, IM, shopping, planning a wedding (no kidding!), playing computer games, etc.
Total waste of time and money….
April 17th, 2007 at 11:23 amHE SHOT HIS SELF IN THE FACE!! WELL CASE SOLVED.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:23 amThe shooter’s infatuation over the female he shot in the dorm room, with another guy, then led later to the killing rampage. Was the gunman a jilted lover or just somebody who wanted to be her lover? We may never completely know, because the college is withholding the information on her identity and relationship to the shooter.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:23 amZooey: you just dusted off your pimp hand on the side of Darryl’s(er) comment(?)!!!!
April 17th, 2007 at 11:24 am:D
My favorite quote regarding this: “Jesus died for our sins. Dare we make a mockery of his sacrafice by not committing them?”
April 17th, 2007 at 11:24 amDaryll, this thread doesn’t have anything to do with gay butt sex.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:26 amAll O’Lielly will care about is if he was an illegal alien.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:26 am81/ JESUS KNOWS, JUST ASK DARRY.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:26 amAm I gonna need to step in and give katy and Jay Randal bowls of Cap’n Crunch? C’mon guys, it stays crunchy, even in milk!!!
Comment by whiteyfresh
Yeah, play nicely! Kiss and make up, because you’re both cool people.
:-)
Whitey, if you eat Captain Crunch after your extractions, you’ll be sorry. Just sayin’
If I don’t see you later, good luck at the dentist. If you wake up and the assistants are giggling, just ask ‘em what you said — and report back. :-D
April 17th, 2007 at 11:27 amComment by Bluedahlia — April 17, 2007 @ 11:18 am
who are you? who asked you? that was out of bounds and unnecssary… not to mention just factually wrong…
i “knock” whoever i see (read) using poor skills and lies and conjecture and hypocrisy and stupidity, regardless of politics…
April 17th, 2007 at 11:28 amDaryll,
Since when did you become such a bible thumper? Some of us don’t follow the same religious ideology you do, and frankly it smells.
Do us all a favor and cut the crap.
SULOGA!
April 17th, 2007 at 11:28 amZooey: you just dusted off your pimp hand on the side of Darryl’s(er) comment(?)!!!!
:D
Comment by whiteyfresh
Heh.
Off to class!!
April 17th, 2007 at 11:29 amHey, Darryll, where was Jesus when that guy shot 32 people yesterday at VA?
April 17th, 2007 at 11:30 amFreaking looney. (Sorry, Im mad)
H.R. 1022 = Gun Grab Bill for 2007 will violate these two RIGHTS at least if not more.
2nd Amendment: A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
Banning the possession of a material property granted to the people as the last line of defense for both the individual citizen and the nation will infringe on my constitutional right to keep and bear arms.
4th Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The act of confiscating said weapons will infringe on my Constitutional right to be secure in my home and with my personal effects.
More to the point the gun grab can only be directed at legal gun holders since those are the guns known to exist. All legal guns are registered. Guns in the possession of criminals are similar in nature to the guns used yesterday. Defaced serials indicate that these weapons were stolen. According to some of the reading one of the guns was stolen from a police officer.
Grabbing legal guns will in fact disarm victims of crimes. VT banned guns 1 year ago and if law abiding citizens were able to carry rather than surrender the body count might be much lower.
Regarding Black OPS; this could be what we are told it is or we can question the hours that passed as the body count grew. Like 9-11 all of these victims simply stood there like deer in our headlights? Then like magic there is a gun ban bill.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:32 amkaty > I will repeat for the last time that your opinion is worthless on here. I have been a writer for years, so I do not need to take a class to please you a nobody. Go find a life for yourself elsewhere please.
As for being mean: you are the one who picks fights on here.
ABC news on the net is reporting the gunmen went back to his dorm room to write a suicide note, after he killed the couple, then he went on his rampage. If the authorities release the note to the press, then we will know why he shot the guy and female early in the morning that then sparked the rampage.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:33 amkaty > bluedahlia has a right to call you on your lies on here. You are a troublemaker and nothing more. Your writing skills are plain horrible.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:36 am#91…Jesus was busy talking to George Bush.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:36 amRe:
“students with their faces stuck to their laptops, etc…”
(and their ears plugged with i-pods……..)
I have the question of: how could a tall man wearing a black ammo vest and carrying a couple of pistols go unnoticed for two hours after shooting two people on the 4th floor of a dormitory?
Just curious
April 17th, 2007 at 11:38 amI will repeat for the last time that your opinion is worthless on here.
Comment by Jay Randal
Sorry, not for me. Just as your opinion.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:38 amJuan > if you want to defend katy, then that is your choice, but she is a known troublemaker on here.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:45 ami “knock†whoever i see (read) using poor skills and lies and conjecture and hypocrisy and stupidity, regardless of politics…
See bold, thanks for proving my point. And your generally, if you are going to critize someone about English, grammer, etc, try and make your posts beyond reproach would make you look like less of a hypocrit.
who are you? who asked you? that was out of bounds and unnecssary… not to mention just factually wrong
I am a poster, like most here. You posted, I can respond whether you ask me directly or not. (control much?) Out of bound? Not unless TP says otherwise. You opened yourself up when you posted something critical about someone else. Now you don’t expect the same in return? Wow, weird reality you live in.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:45 amkaty > bluedahlia has a right to call you on your lies on here. You are a troublemaker and nothing more. Your writing skills are plain horrible.
Comment by Jay Randal — April 17, 2007 @ 11:36 am
LIES??? what lies are you referring to jay?
my writing skills are above average, and way above yours…
yet, i don’t proffess to be a WRITER…
you’ve never read my “writing”, only comments on TP…
i remind you that you should post the source for your comment and get labelled a troublemaker… pretty sad…
time to mowe the yard…
April 17th, 2007 at 11:46 amthe last time i mowed we had temps in the 70s, then a period of 30s…
back in the 70s today… crazy midwest spring weather…
…
H.R. 1022 = Gun Grab Bill for 2007 will violate these two RIGHTS at least if not more.
2nd Amendment: A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
Banning the possession of a material property granted to the people as the last line of defense for both the individual citizen and the nation will infringe on my constitutional right to keep and bear arms.
4th Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The act of confiscating said weapons will infringe on my Constitutional right to be secure in my home and with my personal effects.
More to the point the gun grab can only be directed at legal gun holders since those are the guns known to exist. All legal guns are registered. Guns in the possession of criminals are similar in nature to the guns used yesterday. Defaced serials indicate that these weapons were stolen. According to some of the reading one of the guns was stolen from a police officer.
Grabbing legal guns will in fact disarm victims of crimes. VT banned guns 1 year ago and if law abiding citizens were able to carry rather than surrender the body count might be much lower.
Regarding Black OPS; this could be what we are told it is or we can question the hours that passed as the body count grew. Like 9-11 all of these victims simply stood there like deer in our headlights? Then like magic there is a gun ban bill…
April 17th, 2007 at 11:46 amthank you, juan…
April 17th, 2007 at 11:47 amkaty > LOL you are a pathetic person, so go off believing you are important when actually you are a nobody > PERIOD. I have nothing more to say to you. You are a very mean obnoxious person.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:50 amComment by Saywho — April 17, 2007 @ 11:46 am
It’s staring them right in the face, yet most people here are content to tiptoe around the elephant in the room.
The proof will be in the pudding. We’ll see how quickly H.R. 1022 passes now.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:51 amif you want to defend katy, then that is your choice, but she is a known troublemaker on here.
Comment by Jay Randal
People, take it easy. Your egos have dominated you.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:53 amEvery campaign in the country can robo-call me, but a university can’t robo-call all its students in a dire emergency? Something’s really messed up about that.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:54 amComment by TripMaster Monkey — April 17, 2007 @ 11:51 am
You seem a little cryptic today. What are you suggesting?
April 17th, 2007 at 11:55 amTripMaster > The Bush Regime uses everything as a diversion. This shooting incident allows the sneaky Congress to pass the funding for the Iraq Fiasco War as we are all wrapped up in watching the news about Viginia Tech massacre.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:55 amkaty, jay….knock it off!
Do I have to turn this blog around?
Quit kicking my seat, too. If either of you kicks my seat one more time…
April 17th, 2007 at 11:55 amJuan > I have no problem with you, nor most on here including the trolls. katy chose months ago to have an issue with me. Most likely because I try to ignore her, which I intend to do from now on.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:59 amTripMaster > katy kicks the seats. I only defend myself from her slanderous attacks. Enough said.
April 17th, 2007 at 12:01 pmthe only thing worse than people pushing Jesus in public places is the silly defensiveness of those who have obsessive antagonism for Christianity.
being so fearful/defensive about Jesus is just nuts–if you dont believe in him, just move on and adress some other issue rather than getting all OCD about some guy who feels the need to bring up spiritual values during stressful times.
you guys are like homophobes except your abject fears are not a reaction against homosexuality, they are reacting against your fears concerning God. religiophobes.
just let those of us who believe in God some space. we arent all 700 Club fruitcakes. sheesh.
April 17th, 2007 at 12:03 pmH.R. 1022 = Gun Grab Bill for 2007 will violate these two RIGHTS at least if not more.
2nd Amendment: A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
Banning the possession of a material property granted to the people as the last line of defense for both the individual citizen and the nation will infringe on my constitutional right to keep and bear arms.
4th Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The act of confiscating said weapons will infringe on my Constitutional right to be secure in my home and with my personal effects.
More to the point the gun grab can only be directed at legal gun holders since those are the guns known to exist. All legal guns are registered. Guns in the possession of criminals are similar in nature to the guns used yesterday. Defaced serials indicate that these weapons were stolen. According to some of the reading one of the guns was stolen from a police officer.
Grabbing legal guns will in fact disarm victims of crimes. VT banned guns 1 year ago and if law abiding citizens were able to carry rather than surrender the body count might be much lower.
Regarding Black OPS; this could be what we are told it is or we can question the hours that passed as the body count grew. Like 9-11 all of these victims simply stood there like deer in our headlights? Then like magic there is a gun ban bill…..
April 17th, 2007 at 12:06 pmI’m forever in debt to Jesus. I could be taken off this earth right now, but he has me here for a reason. I haven’t lived a perfect life, but I’ve promised to live for him forever. Everyone, seriously think about your family and your life. The next minute is not promised to you. Please give your lives to Jesus.
Comment by Daryll
All propaganda. Flowery words only replacing reason in the mind of a sheep. Rather than saying “god has a purpose” which is never explained so you never know why those people died…. I prefer “shit happens” which makes clear that things happen for reasons that are absolutely unjustified and there was simply no reason that is connected to the people that were hurt…it was not gods plan… it was not karma… it was not their fault…. shit happens to good people sometimes…. so just let it go and move on.
April 17th, 2007 at 12:12 pmkip,
April 17th, 2007 at 12:13 pmYou must be new here. We have quite a few TPers who are not trolls who are Christians and respected here. Daryll just happens to be one of those fruitcakes you were talking about and we have experiences with him that color our diolog. I am guessing you do not have the experience here to know the difference.
they surmised wrong
Comment by Jay Randal
Well thats life…. you cant shut down the whole works just because of a domestic dispute. Well I guess you can in a police state, but not in America. This stuff has been going on for thousands of years. Every once in a blue moon it turns out to be a massacre… you just have to accept it because it will go on whether you accept it or not. You cannot expect the police to act like WWIII just started everytime some jealous lover goes nuts.
April 17th, 2007 at 12:19 pm#114,
I prefer “shit happens†which makes clear that things happen for reasons that are absolutely unjustified and there was simply no reason that is connected to the people that were hurt…it was not gods plan… it was not karma… it was not their fault…. shit happens to good people sometimes…. so just let it go and move on.
Well said.
April 17th, 2007 at 12:19 pmwhat bothers me about the reporting is that the msm were hammering home a theme before any facts were known. last i heard this morning the police were still refusing to rule out a second gunman. if there was a second gunman then the probability of this being a lover’s quarrel drops precipitously.
also, i think you would have to be extremely lucky to kill a group of almost 30 people with a twenty-two and a 9mm. you have to be 100% accurate to kill with a twenty-two, and the 9mm has a limited magazine capacity. you’d have to be very good to that many killing shots off.
cognitive dissonance: in america, the idea of a programmed killer is a tinfoil hat conspiracy nut idea. in the middle east, suicide bombers are a dime a dozen.
April 17th, 2007 at 12:21 pmyou guys are like homophobes except your abject fears are not a reaction against homosexuality, they are reacting against your fears concerning God. religiophobes.
just let those of us who believe in God some space. we arent all 700 Club fruitcakes. sheesh.
Comment by kip
Its not about Jesus… not for us and not for them…. it is about using Jesus for other BS that has nothing to do with being a good person… which pretty much is the story of the past 2000 years of christianity.
April 17th, 2007 at 12:21 pmwe arent all 700 Club fruitcakes. sheesh.
Comment by kip
Thank goodness for that! I have no problem with people who wish to follow their religion. The problem I have is with the idiots who feel it’s their right to throw their beliefs in my face without taking into consideration my feelings.
Those who feel they have to force us to believe as they do are the ones I have a major problem with. Follow who you want to follow. I am not a lemming to blindly follow the first thing that comes in front of me.
April 17th, 2007 at 12:34 pmThe attack is just over 24 hours old and this morning we notice that the US House of Reps has a bill in the works called HR1022
H.R. 1022 = Gun Grab Bill for 2007 will violate these two RIGHTS at least if not more.
2nd Amendment: A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
Banning the possession of a material property granted to the people as the last line of defense for both the individual citizen and the nation will infringe on my constitutional right to keep and bear arms.
4th Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The act of confiscating said weapons will infringe on my Constitutional right to be secure in my home and with my personal effects.
More to the point the gun grab can only be directed at legal gun holders since those are the guns known to exist. All legal guns are registered. Guns in the possession of criminals are similar in nature to the guns used yesterday. Defaced serials indicate that these weapons were stolen. According to some of the reading one of the guns was stolen from a police officer.
Grabbing legal guns will in fact disarm victims of crimes. VT banned guns 1 year ago and if law abiding citizens were able to carry rather than surrender the body count might be much lower.
Regarding Black OPS; this could be what we are told it is or we can question the hours that passed as the body count grew. Like 9-11 all of these victims simply stood there like deer in our headlights? Then like magic there is a gun ban bill…
April 17th, 2007 at 12:39 pmWhat the hell were they supposed to do??? Call each of the 26,000 students individually????
By the way, most of the students likely had email capable cellphones, PDA’s, Blackberries, etc. so the mass email could have actually reached a good number of students.
April 17th, 2007 at 12:44 pmSome of the details leave something to be desired. First the shooter was identified as Chinese (Red scare?), then only Asian and finally from South Korea. The very slow pace of news coming out looked like a severe case of CYA and the lawsuits certain to be filed in the future. Lastly, it was first reported as a domestic fight with a former girlfriend and then that he was a loner. Which is it? I’m already tired of the dualing stories.
April 17th, 2007 at 12:45 pmThat is Jesus’ decision. He will judge them based on their lives and biblical standards.
Comment by Daryll
Geez, your weird.
April 17th, 2007 at 12:50 pm>Also the fact that the students were told via email.
>That was stupid.
why? VT requires students and faculty have computers, issue email addresses to everyone, and at this point every cell phone made since 2004 can be set to receive emails.
i guess having 100 phone operators come in and make 250 phone calls each makes more sense? email is the best way to reach a student, hands down.
April 17th, 2007 at 12:54 pmComment by DDB
You are betraying yourself as a spoiled, rich brat, DDB.
Not all college students are as affluent as to have all those trappings. In college, I never had anything like that. I was lucky to be able to use the payphone in the quad once a week.
The way the news was passed along at our college was by intercom.
April 17th, 2007 at 12:55 pmWhat are all of these off topic posts about religion, Jesus and God doing here? The topic is the Mass Murder at VT and its ramifications.
April 17th, 2007 at 12:58 pmThat is Jesus’ decision. He will judge them based on their lives and biblical standards.
Comment by Daryll
Geez, your weird.
Comment by not impressed with the U.S. — April 17, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
I am not weird, It’s just that I love Jesus. I’m a witness for him. I’m just stating that this situation should remind everyone that life isn’t promised to you. If you know that your life isn’t right, you need to give it to Jesus. I wish I could have an alter call in Blacksburg. There are alot of hurting students that need him.
April 17th, 2007 at 1:03 pmGo “witness” to someone who cares.
April 17th, 2007 at 1:04 pm#126
Did you read my post? or Kip’s? (#125)
I didn’t say ‘all’. Plus how many kids (rich or poor) nowadays DON’T have a cellphone???? (you don’t have to be a rich brat to have one)
April 17th, 2007 at 1:04 pmOk, how many people were lucky enough to check their e-mail in that slim time frame???? I certainly don’t spend my day checking my e-mails and I don’t check it at all on my cell. Most people check it once or twice unles they are in a job that necessitates it.
April 17th, 2007 at 1:17 pmDaryll, do you have to use this tragedy as a vehicle for trolling for converts? I suspect that in the face of all the sadness and horror, your savior would want you to just shut up unless you were tending to the families who have lost loved ones. As Matthew suggested, this would be an excellent time for someone like you to go into a dark room by yourself and pray to your god.
April 17th, 2007 at 1:33 pmI doubt if I had been part of their campus police if I would have anticipated a shooting rampage after finding the first victims, either. I don’t fault the campus police.
But the kid didn’t just lose it and go on the rampage, from all reports it was planned out – the chains on the doors, for example, you usually don’t see something like that in a crime of passion.
April 17th, 2007 at 2:07 pmso, cho was a loner with a girlfriend who had enough spare time to stalk other women. he sets fire to a dorm room, but is still on campus. weird.
the doctor at the hospital where most of the wounded were taken said that no victim had less than three gunshot wounds. the best information i have is that there were a total of 27 wounded, so 19 seems like a fair sample. assuming that the victims who didn’t make it also had 3 wounds apiece, that comes to 187 rounds fired. apparently there were a number of rounds fired through closed doors, so we’re talking about 200 rounds.
that’s a lot of rounds.
the walther p22 has a 10 round capacity. the glock 19, a common 9mm model, has a maximum 15 round capacity. either cho had a shyteload of magazines, or else he had to reload a lot.
things to consider about pistols:
1) a gun is a machine, you have to learn how to operate it
2) even if you know how to use it, you have to practice to be able to hit anything with it
3) you’re not born knowing how to load a magazine. it takes a while to develop the muscle memory needed to do it reasonably efficiently.
not counting cho, 59 people have been reported killed or wounded. considering the choice of weapons, it seems odd that more were killed than were wounded. even so, it must have been a physically exhausting feat.
i don’t know where i’m going here. all i know is that something tripped my bullshit meter.
April 17th, 2007 at 2:46 pmhello again, jay randal… gee, i thought i’d see a list of my “lies” (@ 11:36 am) that i asked for (@ 11:46 am)… and i’d love to know about the “slanderous attacks” (@ 12:01 pm)…
wow… what is it with you georgians? …
your attacks and accusations are baseless and unwarrented…
and just plain mean and hurtful…
you say you’ve always ignored me… how the hell would i know that?… especially when you reply to my posts that offer praise or confirmation…
… oh… … now i get it…
imagine that…
April 17th, 2007 at 3:07 pm…
saw some cnn over lunch. looks like my guess was right about the gun models. nothing was said about laser sights, which would have made the episode more plausible to me. it’s possible laser sights will be introduced at some point.
cnn lowballed the number of wounded and therefore the estimated number of rounds. their top estimate was 150. my low estimate is 200.
cnn reported that cho bought the glock at a local gunshop 36 days ago for $571. at that price it was probably brand new. new guns usually come with 2 clips, so it’s probable that cho had two fully loaded clips for each gun when (if) he started. in order to minimize the number of reloads he shouldn’t have reloaded the 22 at all because it had the smaller capacity. that means he had to reload a minimum of 10 times (proof left to the reader).
cnn reported that the atf recovered the serial numbers that had been filed from the guns. i can’t see why cho would’ve filed the serial numbers, its the ballistics that get you. plus he was going on a one-way trip. why bother? funny that the filing and restoring allows for the old switcheroony. not that the atf would do that.
the little of the report that i saw sounded mostly like ridiculously weak anti-gun propaganda. maybe the h.r. 1022 guys are right. pretty hard to have a police state crackdown on an armed populace.
keith olberman said we now have the bill of right, the 2nd amendment being the only one left. hate to see that one go, if only for auld lang syne.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:25 pmZooey, look for Creomulsion cough syrup – works wonders on the vocal issues. Yes, it has beechwood creosote in it (the stuff you put on fenceposts so they won’t rot) and tastes like crap, but it works miracles.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:33 pmWhitey, good luck with the teeth…ow.
i think what that cho guy did was good, he killed many innocent people, but the teachers will be afraid to abuse the student in future. i read what he wrote, he said he is sacrificing himself for all the weak and helpless guys. and its true. first i thought he was a monster but after i read what he wrote i can see the benefit of what he did. you see in our world people only respect one thing — strength. if you are big and tall everyone respect you, if you are small everyone treats you like shit. cho showed that small guys can turn nasty if pushed too far, and that will make people afraid to pick on small guys, especially students. innocent people died, that’s unfortunate. but the same thing happens in a war, innocent die in order to correct some other evil. cho was kicked out of poetry and literature class for his writing, he was a shy guy so when he tried to hit on a couple girls in a somewhat clumsy way they ratted on him. girls don’t have the guts to say “i am not interested, but thank you for asking†to guys they find unattractive, instead they pretend they like them, flirt with them, than behind their back they rat on them and backstab them. and misandrist men are all to happy carrying out their dirty duties falsely accusing a guy of harassment. sex discriminates against the ugly. they don’t realize that ugly guys are people too who also deserve to have fun and be happy. taking a kinder and gentler attitude towards all humankind might serve these pampered women with low self-esteem well. its easy to ridicule men, to blame men, to ignore men. but it is not easy to be a man. especially an ugly short man like cho. society prepares the crime the criminal commits it.
feminists and men who support gender biased, sexist, anti-male laws including the school system, police, justice system, and government are responsible for emasculation of men, which is the cause of the social anxiety among young men like cho. feminists would rather nitpick and close down a corporation which is supporting thousands of women who feed their babies because some guy hang a victoria’s secret angel over the time clock. its time women got over themselves and men stopped impersonating sentimental buffoons catering to their vile whims.
as for the media, its common sense that by rewarding cho with what he was aiming for – publicity they are sending the message that whoever kills a lot of people will be rewarded with publicity. why stop there? announce a bloody reward for the families of dead serial killers so you can get your bloody ratings. what do you expect from a society which is so utterly lacking in integrity? you are worse than the cho dude, you may be snug and secure behind your desks, but you are encouraging murder.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:46 pm