Breaking: 127 157 dead in Baghdad bombings.
By on Apr 18th, 2007 at 9:22 am
Breaking: 127 157 dead in Baghdad bombings.
CBS News: “A parked car bomb detonated in a crowd of workers at a Shiite marketplace in Baghdad on Wednesday, killing at least 82 people, police and hospital officials said. The attack was one of four bombings in Baghdad on Wednesday afternoon, which killed at least 127 people in total, officials said.”
UPDATE: The death toll rises to 157.
It’s remarkable that the tragedy at VT which claimed the lives of 33 people including the shooter elicits such an emotional and visceral response from the public, but another 127 dead Iraqi’s barely makes a ripple in the news. It’s really depressing…
April 18th, 2007 at 9:27 amThank God the surge is working.
April 18th, 2007 at 9:29 am/sarcasm
Stop the lies.
Has anyone told bush that the ’surge’ isn’t working?
April 18th, 2007 at 9:29 amWell, Phil, the VT shooting took AMERICAN lives, and as we all know those are more important than the brown people who hate our freedom.
(”how dare you politicize the VT shooting” in 3… 2…)
April 18th, 2007 at 9:31 amRegardless of the tools used, people killing people seems to be the human condition. My heart is heavy thinking about the dead at VT, but for so many people the world over mass killing is the norm, not the exception.
The idea that mass killing happens because of guns is bunk. Mass killing happens because some people are evil.
April 18th, 2007 at 9:32 amOf course, y’all know this proves the surge is workin’. We jus’ gotta send in more troops. Now’s not the time to cut-and-run or surrender to those defeat-o-crats. heh. Stay the course. Thousand points of light. whoops…that’s my daddy’s phrase..heh heh.
/Bush
April 18th, 2007 at 9:33 amPlease could someone tell Chimpy that the surge is working.
thanks.
April 18th, 2007 at 9:34 amYeah. If the Iraqis didn’t want to be blown up, they should move, just as long as it isn’t here…we don’t want us no jibberish speaking, non-Christian, terraists here. We’s already got us some Mex-E-cuns that we don’t want. GO AMUHRICUH!!!
April 18th, 2007 at 9:35 am100 murders in Philly in the first 3 months of 2007 doen’t make much of a ripple either because they are poor Americans.
April 18th, 2007 at 9:36 amThe Killing Goes On and On and On. Military Families Speak Out mfso have some very angry and well-written articles and are actively involved in trying to save our soldiers.
Democrats have let us down badly.
April 18th, 2007 at 9:38 amWow…that’s almost four “Virginia Tech”s.
But because the people are the wrong nationality (not to mention color), it barely gets a byline.
April 18th, 2007 at 9:38 amIt’s disturbing to think how “traumatized” we get over a single event like VTech where 30 are gunned down, still talking about it days later.
Then we have Iraq, where 127 dying in one day has become almost commonplace, and dead bodies with holes drilled in their skull and their face mutilated and dumped on the side of the road has become so frequent that it doesn’t even make the news.
Disgusting. There is a special circle of Hell for GWB and his minions.
April 18th, 2007 at 9:45 amWill these innocent Iraqi’s get an over-the-top MSM video montage complete with tinkley piano accompaniment?
April 18th, 2007 at 9:48 amCalling Mike Pence, Lindsay Graham and John McCain. Someone just blew up your Potemkin Village.
Again.
April 18th, 2007 at 9:53 amMass killing happens because some people are evil.
Comment by progunprogressive.com
Thats a simplistic analysis which I dont agree with. Cho wasnt evil, he was sick and disturbed. Terrorist leaders are not evil, they are convinced that what they are doing is for the good of their groups, so they dont bother when they send kids to bomb other kids. President Bush is convinced that there is really a WAR ON TERROR meanwhile they get all the oil from Iraq for free while establishing other foreign military bases near China and Russia.
In that sense, the only evil people are gun and weapon companies that make profits out of the suffering of people.
April 18th, 2007 at 9:53 amFor all you trolls, that’s FOUR “Hokiecides.”
April 18th, 2007 at 9:53 amWow, the Surge is working. There’s a surge in American KIAs and random slaughter of innocent Iraqis. Way to go W!
April 18th, 2007 at 9:54 am…And the “accomplished” mission continues…
April 18th, 2007 at 9:57 am“It’s disturbing to think how “traumatized†we get over a single event like VTech where 30 are gunned down, still talking about it days later.
Then we have Iraq, where 127 dying in one day has become almost commonplace, and dead bodies with holes drilled in their skull and their face mutilated and dumped on the side of the road has become so frequent that it doesn’t even make the news.”
Here in Canada, I have seen several MSM broadcasters point this out: that everyday there are mass slaughters on par with VTech - all because of this failed war, yet no outrage, no mass movement to stop it or hold those responsible for it (Dubya et al) accountable for it. Has anyone seen similar things said on American networks?? Just curious.
April 18th, 2007 at 9:57 amVa. Tech Massacre Resonates in Iraq
By Larry Kaplow / Austin American-Statesman
When asked if he saw the news about “the incident,†appliance dealer Abdel Saheb al-Haidary was confused.
Misunderstanding the question about the shooting spree at Virginia Tech, he pointed to where a car bomb blew up last week and said, “You mean the one down here?â€
Iraqis learned of the Virginia Tech massacre on TV and radio news and filtered it through their own daily experiences with violence and tragedy.
Al-Haidary, 43, was puzzled.
Shouldn’t people in America be at peace amid their relative good life, he wondered, “How can such a thing happen?â€
Other Iraqis offered sympathy and also pleaded for recognition of their own plight.
“I was moved,†furniture salesman Ridha Ali al-Qaysi, 53, said of seeing the Virginia shootings on TV. “But then I thought about it and I thought this is a message (to America) about what is happening in Iraq.â€
michaelmoore.com
April 18th, 2007 at 9:58 amDemocrats have let us down badly.
Comment by aurole — April 18, 2007 @ 9:38 am
How so, and what does this have to do with the topic of this thread? Please explain.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:11 amIncredible that people are comparing what happened in VT to what is going on in Iraq.
while it is very tragic what is happening in Iraq it doesn’t compare to what is happening in Iraq.
Iraq is a war zone, there is a WAR going on there. There is NO WAR GOING ON IN IRAQ? why are people so dense?
I mean geez 127 Iraqis died, do any of you have a clue to how many Americans died this morning? why aren’t any of you talking about these tragedies? do you know how many Americans will die today on our roads? why aren’t we calling this a tragedy?
How about in Africa, how many people will die in Africa today? I can assure you a lot more than 127, why aren’t you people calling it a tragedy?
How about in Bosnia, in Venezuela, in Mexico, in Brazil, in Chile…..? how about in Darfur, etc, etc, etc……..
If we are going to start the outrage over the death of human beings, you people need to stop the selective outrage of only being upset about Iraqi lives and let us be upset over all human deaths today….
how many Christians died today under the hands of Muslims, is this tragic to you guys?
how many peasents died at the hands of drug dealers, is this tragic to you guys?
Iraqi deaths only make the news because it benefits the left and the Democratic Politicians……..
how many poor people died this year in the United States in States controlled by Democrats? are these tragic deaths?
the selective outrage is sad.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:12 amwhere’s john mccain to bring the peace when you need him… (note sarcasm)
April 18th, 2007 at 10:15 amBo, American media knows not of what you speak. In fact America has no news service to speak of. We have a few propaganda networks that work closely with the goverment we once had here. Things are different here now. America fails to tell the truth to its people.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:15 amThis is all the Iraqis fault. Bush gave them freedom, and they want to just keep on killing each other.
Typical Muslims.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:16 amThe idea that mass killing happens because of guns is bunk. Mass killing happens because some people are evil.
Comment by progunprogressive.com — April 18, 2007 @ 9:32 am
Obviously you are unaware of the mountains of epidemiological data contradicting this point, and are also completely lacking in common sense. The evidence that widespread private ownership of guns leads to a large number of excess deaths is overwhelming and incontrovertible. As a society we may choose to accept some excess deaths as the cost of attaining certain “freedoms”, but the gun debate is rarely framed this way, largely because advocates of unregulated gun ownership simply won’t behave like adults and acknowledge that this tradeoff exists. Instead they refer to anecdotes and cite their alleged experts John Lott and Gary Kleck, both of whom have been discredited.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:19 amNully - Iraq is a war zone because WE made it that way. Those deaths are ours to prevent. The ongoing violence is the result of our inability (or indifference) of management after “Shock and Awe”. Iraqi deaths benefit nobody, which is why “the left” along with a majority of this country want them to stop…and if that can be accomplished by bringing home our troops, let’s do it. OBVIOUSLY, Bush’s “stay the course” attitude and poorly devised “surge” isn’t working. Your selective intelligence is sad.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:20 amBaghdad Residents Accuse U.S. Troops of Randomly Firing on Family
In Baghdad, residents of the al-Amil district have accused U.S. forces of opening fire randomly on people during a raid late on Sunday. Four people from one family died. Two others were wounded. Eyewitnesses blamed U.S. troops.
Iraqi Man: “People were sleeping when the U.S. forces raided the area. Shooting started and people came out to see what happened. Two were killed in the shooting. A mother and her son came out too to see what happened and they were also killed during the shooting. So we have four killed and two others wounded.”
http://www.democracynow.org
April 18th, 2007 at 10:21 amVT is NOT a WAR ZONE, horrificly enough Iraq is a war zone….
do you people see the difference? no, or yes?
during wars people die, horrificly, tragicly enough, during time of piece, in places where there are no wars people are not expected to be mass killed like in VT…..
c’mon guys, I am sure that you are all smart enough to recognize the difference.
I don’t understand the want and need for anyone to politicize what happened in VT…..
April 18th, 2007 at 10:21 amLupeyg2,
talk about selective intelligence…..do you honestly believe that if American troops were to be pulled out from Iraq, Iraqis would stop killing each other? hahahaha!!! please…
Iraqis were killing each other LONG before the United States went into Iraq! ask the 10s of thousands of Iraqis that ended up in mass graves under Saddam Hussein regime. Hmmm….was the United States in Iraq while he killed Iraqis? while he mass murdered them?
Lupeyg2, I think you are right, your selective intelligence is sad…..
please don’t spew left wing talking points, they are beneath the intelligence of any human being and they are quite illogical.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:24 amIt’s just that one bomb a day…I mean two…I mean three…I mean four…that upsets people so much.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:24 amNully - To excuse the death of innocent people because we label it war makes the deaths no more egregious. Human life is human life - there is no justification for taking that away.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:25 amduring time of peace, like Virgina is in, people are not suppose to die……..
stop politicizing the VT deaths…..
April 18th, 2007 at 10:26 am#21 What an idiotic post. Do you actually believe what you wrote? This is the kind of overwrought, illogical, unbalanced crap that my philosopher friends and I would test on one another during lunch in junior high school.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:27 amLupey2,
I 100% disagree, there are times, rare ones, but there are times when taking the life of another human being is justified and moral.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:28 amI guess we better run away.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:29 amShut up, nully. I am sick of the moral confusion and corruption exhibited by right wingers in this country, and I just want people like you to shut up for once, instead of spewing your morally bankrupt excuses for the senseless massacre of a hapless population simply because your idiot president wanted to play war with his toy soldiers.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:30 amstop politicizing the VT deaths…..
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 10:26 am
You stop it, a**hole.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:31 amwhile it is very tragic what is happening in Iraq it doesn’t compare to what is happening in Iraq.
Iraq is a war zone, there is a WAR going on there. There is NO WAR GOING ON IN IRAQ? why are people so dense?
Comment by whoa nully — April 18, 2007 @ 10:12 am
Why are people so dense? Maybe because we don’t understand WTF you’re saying here!
what’s happening in Iraq doesn’t compare to what is happening in Iraq?
There is a WAR, there is NO WAR?
(Ritalin or Adderall may help you at this point to focus on task)
how many Christians died today under the hands of Muslims, is this tragic to you guys?
I dunno. How many Muslims died today under the hands of so called Christians?
how many poor people died this year in the United States in States controlled by Democrats? are these tragic deaths?
I dunno. How many people died over the last 6 years in the United States that was controlled by the Republicans?
See how ineffective you strawmen were?
April 18th, 2007 at 10:31 amCome back when you can post intelligently and can show some comprehension of world events!
Otherwise, shut down your mother’s computer (I’m sure it’s attained a ton of viruses from your idiotic porn downloads)
Verbalkint,
so instead of talking about what was written, you use the typical left wing tactic and you insult….nice you people are not smart enough to debate an issue, all you can do is spew personal insults.
if my argument is so easy to bring down, why don’ you do it instead of using pathetic insults that your 2 year old would throw at you…..
April 18th, 2007 at 10:33 amI guess we better run away.
Comment by Patrick1 — April 18, 2007 @ 10:29 am
Comments like this signal to me that Patrick-dumber-than-nully isn’t for real.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:33 amI guess we better run away.
Comment by Patrick1
Yeah, you and your neo-con cronies better run away. That has to be the best thing you have ever said here.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:33 amHey null -
Here is something for you to chew on
A study published by The Lancet shows the devastating results of our invasion on the mortality rates of Iraqis.
From their study -
“We estimate that between March 18, 2003, and June, 2006, an additional 654,965 (392,979–942,636) Iraqis have died above what would have been expected on the basis of the pre-invasion crude mortality rate as a consequence of the coalition invasion. Of these deaths, we estimate that 601,027 (426,369–793,663) were due to violence.”
So don’t justify the killing of innocent civilians by AMERICAN policies by saying “well, they do it to each other”.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:33 ambut there are times when taking the life of another human being is justified and moral.
Comment by nully
Please, explain that to the 32 families of Vtech students. Please, explain that to all the families in Iraq that has lost a member.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:37 amDRxJ,
oh the ever so unoriginal tactic of the left, instead of debating, let us insult people we disagree with…..sad, sad.
try it son, try to to debate instead of insulting, you might stop sounding like a lunatic.
here….
Iraq is a war zone, VT is NOT a war zone.
there were about 600 murders in Chicago last year…..are these tragic?
how about the murder of two school girls that were attending a Christian school? they were beheaded in the Phillipines by radical Muslims….are these deaths tragic?
you see, a little of brain power from your part will take you a long way.
c’mon try to not insult and for a change let us see if liberals can debate.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:37 amnully sez:
Stop marginalizing the deaths of American soldiers and Iraqi citizens.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:37 amOne need not “politicize” the tragedy at VT to note the absence of attention paid to the comparable daily tragedies in Iraq. We are insulated from recognizing that Iraqis feel the same emotions, the same sense of loss, and the same anger and frustration that we all feel in contemplating the killings at Virginia Tech. That is a lesson that has no “political” content unless, of course, one believes that only the lives of American college students are worth caring about.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:38 amI thought the only people dying were in Blacksburg Va..
April 18th, 2007 at 10:38 amNotice how in nully’s moral confusion he talks about the Iraq war in passive terms, as though this war just happened, and has nothing to do with us. It’s all the fault of the Iraqis, or the Muslims, or the brown people, or whoever, ‘cuz there’s no way in hell red white and blue Christian American patriots like nully are taking the blame for anything they or their precious Emperor Bush do.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:38 amJuan C,
why would I need to explain that to these families. I never said that either the VT deaths were justifiable or the Iraqi deaths were justifiable. I just stepped on the absolute that was put up by Lupey…..
c’mon, I am sure you are smarter than what you have shown so far…
April 18th, 2007 at 10:39 am127 more dead in Iraq. The surge is a joke. I guess it’s the liberal media’s fault for only reporting the bad news.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:39 amnully says:
How about in Bosnia, in Venezuela, in Mexico, in Brazil, in Chile…..? how about in Darfur, etc, etc, etc……..
How many of those countries endure an illegal occupation?
April 18th, 2007 at 10:39 amWhoa Nully says we resort to personal attacks, but quoting directly from Mr/Mrs Nully..
Why are you people so dense
You have selective intelligence
Are you people that dumb
nice you people are not smart enough to debate an issue,
Yep, the typical whine of a troll.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:41 amWhy do ya’ll attack me when I’m so kind with you???
#40 Further proof of the unlimited capacity of right wing hypocrites to project.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:41 amNully, there is nothing to debate with you. I can’t discuss what you have written, BECAUSE IT MAKES NO SENSE.
Besides, I think it is clear that you are not here to debate or discuss anything on the up and up. You are here to provoke.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:43 amc’mon try to not insult and for a change let us see if liberals can debate.
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 10:37 am
Preceded by
a little of brain power from your part will take you a long way.
Your tactics are old and stale, and your marginalizing the deaths of US soldiers is pathetic
April 18th, 2007 at 10:43 amJuan C,
an illegal occupation, according to who, you? the liberal wackos? please, if you are going to debate, debate with facts and not Michael Moore, Hollywood elites, left wing talking points.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:43 amnully - so when are the appropriate times for taking the life of another - essentially “playing god”? And, by what divine authority are you given that right?
April 18th, 2007 at 10:44 amNully, your comments about my intelligence doesnt bother me at all, so you can make that same stupid argument thinking people will change their POVs just becuz they are afraid of being called idiots. I dont mind, just call me what you want.
I agree with you, though, I know a bunch of right wing hawks whose death would be entirely based on moral justification.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:44 amVerbalKint,
I would urge you not to assume the color of my skin, you will only sound like a racist and a fool.
well actually, you already sounded like a racist and a fool.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:45 amNully’s position:
33 American kids dead = insufferable tragedy (and it is, no doubt)
127 brown furriners dead in one sitting = “Hey, who’s’ the father of Anna Nicole’s baby?”
And then we get that old talking point that Saddam killed his own people…….He killed Kurds with gas America sold to him…..Rummy got the commission on that sale. Funny how wingnuts always leave out key facts….cuz facts have a liberal bias.
Hey I guess if Saddam did it then America can go it and do it ten fold. Oh that children’s logic……
The disconnect is huge, and while I watched nonstop wall to wall death coverage in Virginia, the horror of Iraq takes a back seat to American Idol, The Donald and various other crap scooped up from your media sewer. Nice one.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:45 amSo, nully, doesn’t look like your poison is selling too well here, does it? So why don’t you get lost? Your time is over. Real Americans, patriots, are taking back our government as we speak, and soon your gang will be locked up or on the run.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:45 amDRxJ,
and you have selective choosing of insults….
why don’t you look at how people addressed me before I insulted them….
and typical whine of a troll? I only pointed out to the facts…your post to me had not counter debating points all it had was pure insults. the kind that 2 year old throw at each other during pre-K, where you obviously belong.
go play with the children while adults try to have intelligent conversations.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:47 am“so instead of talking about what was written, you use the typical left wing tactic and you insult….nice you people are not smart enough to debate an issue, all you can do is spew personal insults.”
This from a wingnut who still uses the “Saddam killed his own people” canard…
Hahahahahaha!
And then we have this classic example of wingnut projection:
“if my argument is so easy to bring down, why don’ you do it instead of using pathetic insults that your 2 year old would throw at you…..”
Stop it, really……
April 18th, 2007 at 10:48 aman illegal occupation, according to who, you? Comment by nully
Kofi Annan (illegal) and The Pope (immoral) just for a start.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:48 amNully - Pure bullshit.
That day on VTech grounds it WAS a war zone. Guess that means we can all just shrug our shoulders and get on with life. Nothing to see here! 30 people dead… eh so what. Did you see American Idol? Hey what do you mean VT was a tragedy, its a WAR ZONE. Don’t you GET IT?
April 18th, 2007 at 10:48 amVerbalKint,
so that is how you deal with people you disagree with….you shot them down and you don’t want to hear a different point of view than what you believe, eh?
so “open minded” of you, so “tolerant” of you…..
I guess it makes you very uncomfortable to read posts with different point of views. You need to feel secure in your believes and you don’t want anyone rocking the boat.
Nice to see that liberals like you aren’t willing to hear anything else, but points of views you agree with.
typical of the “open minded” left….
April 18th, 2007 at 10:50 amJuan C,
hahaha….Kofi Annan, you mean the guy that sat in his chair and allowed Darfur, and did nothing to stop Serbia’s mass graves?
nice authority you pick…
The Pope…sorry, you are distorting his words….typical of left wingers. He never called the IRaq War immoral.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:52 amNully,
The deaths of innocents in Iraq are happening directly because of Bush’s arrogance, incompetence and criminal behavior. You cannot run away from that, but you can, if you choose, hold him responsible and appologize to the whole world for the mess he created in your name.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:52 amBravo DRxJ, your post’s are great, as usual…I on the other hand get so enraged at these dum bass reich winger’s all I can do is scream or want to blow up my computer..Good to see you here…Blessings
April 18th, 2007 at 10:52 am#44 Did you read your post? You deride others for being insulting as you are being childish and insulting….no one here is your son, and I doubt you are old enough to be anyone’s father here…..
You see, “a little of brain power from your part” (sic) is all you need to see your own hypocrisy.
Serious douchebag.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:53 amReadyforChange…
really, that day VT was a war zone? really?
so there were American soldiers fighting another military, another potent military? wow….call the VT police you know something they don’t.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:53 amWhy do I get the feeling that nully is MA?
April 18th, 2007 at 10:53 amJust Laura’s one little old bomb a day. What’s the big deal?
April 18th, 2007 at 10:53 amtypical of the “open minded†left….
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 10:50 am
Sorry, I have just jumped into this discussion, and don’t know all of the history, however, coming from someone who has been banned from redstate and coulter, and hung up on by hannity, I don’t think the right-wing is all that open-minded either.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:53 amNully, you are right, there is no more an illegal occupation since we found the WMD´s, right? Since Saddam evil regime that killed 100 people on a daily basis is gone, right? Since the ME is now stabilized, right? Since democracy and freedom where spread with cluster bombs, right? Since Abu Ghraib, Qana, Fallujah and Haditha, right? No, there is nothing illegal in burning kids with White Phosphorous or giving them Depleted Uranium. No, nothing illegal, we are right, they are wrong. We are good, they are evil…come on, repeat it.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:54 amsickofitall,
oh you poor whiners…..I only insult those that insult me, and then you people cry.
Sorry, you guys treat anyone that disagrees with you with contempt, whether they insult you first or insult you after being insulted.
now debate or shut up and go whine to your mommy about how mean I am, ok?
typical left wing whiner.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:54 amBush does not care how many die in Iraq, as long as US OIL companies control Iraq’s OIL reserves. Success in Iraq, for Bush Regime, means control of its OIL.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:56 amChris L,
I don’t think that conservatives carry the open minded flag. It is the left who don’t get tired of reminding everyone how open minded they supposedly are and how they are more than willing ot listen to all different points of views and that people should not be attacked for having different points of views.
yet, just look at how liberals on this site or any other site treat anyone they disagree with.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:56 amNULLY - are you going to answer any of my above posts or add to the discussion about them through debate?
April 18th, 2007 at 10:57 amNully, strong rebuttal there. /sarc
April 18th, 2007 at 10:57 amHey Sharon!
April 18th, 2007 at 10:58 amHow ya doing?
Don’t let this little troll get on your nerves. He’s here to derail, not discuss.
Notice how he hasn’t debated anything, just attacked and attacked, then hid behind the “all you know how to do is insult” wall.
Not worth the increase in blood pressure.
Take care, and blessings back to you!!
so there were American soldiers fighting another military, another potent military? wow….call the VT police you know something they don’t.
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 10:53 am
American soldiers in Iraq are not fighting another military. BTW, I spent a year and a half in Baghdad with the Army.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:58 amLupeyg2,
I’ll answer the posts and questions once you liberals decide to answer mine. Fair trade, right?
don’t be the typial liberal who loves to ask questions, but hates answering them.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:59 amComment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 10:56 am
OK, I can concede that point. For a moment there I thought you were trying to say that republicans are open-minded.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:00 amI’ll answer the posts and questions once you liberals decide to answer mine. Fair trade, right?
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 10:59 am
OK, that sounds fair. What questions do you have?
April 18th, 2007 at 11:01 ami see I’ll get nowhere with you, nully, since you don’t frame your questions in a way that is relevant to any debate that is going on here. keep up the rethuglican circle jerk.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:02 amtypical left wing whiner.
Comment by nully
We have a genius, here.
Hey, Fermi, the number of Iraqis just climbed up a VTech incident (30 people). The surge has worked really fine, right? No, it is not an illegal occupation when you change a regime, right? Oh, no. We make the rules, if I invade and bomb Nicaragua is for their own good. If I invade and bomb and kill Iraqi civilians cuz they dont have the means to depose Saddam, is for their own good. Those “brownies” didnt know how to fight Saddam but they sure know how to fight today, right? Oh, I guess it is Iran, and Syria, and Venezuela and North Korea…backing those “ragheads” now. No, nothing illegal there, nothing illegal in detaining terrorist suspects without habeas corpus and put them in Gitmo for years. What a tool.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:04 amJuan C,
what does anything you typed have to do with the Iraq war being illegal?
I see that you didn’t talk about Kofi Annan’s lack of doing anything to protect human lives, yet you used him as an authority who claims the Iraq War is illegal.
what’s the matter, your arguments falling apart?
Kofi Annan, sat on his comfy chair while Darfur was and is still going on. Kofi Annan refused to do anything about Serbia’s mass graves. He refused to do anything when it came out that African blue helmets were caught rapping teen age african girls.
why do you use a monster like Kofi Annan as an authority to back up your baseless arguments?
no Juan, you repeat it……We are evil, they are good, c’mon son….
half of the crap….no wait, all of the crap you typed is ultra left wing, Michael Moore propaganda. c’mon repeat it with me…..”I Juan C, am easily fooled into believing anything that makes American troops and the USA look bad.”
please….
April 18th, 2007 at 11:04 amYou, wingnut, should fuck off with your condescending, fact free Rove talking points and your “you liberals”, “you left”. You are a whiner moron and it is plain for all to see. Stamping your little feet and pounding your little fists will not change that.
Nobody expressed any interest in debating you, apologist and shill.
Go somewhere where you are welcome, it’s obvious no one here is interested in your bullshit.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:06 amLupeyg2,
so that is the best you have, eh? you can’t debate so your run away….nice and nice of you to stereotype me…typical liberal.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:07 amTha Surge bees workin’
BWHAAHAAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
I’ll see your 4 VT’s and raise you..1
April 18th, 2007 at 11:09 amnully, and void to boot… geeeezz…………
April 18th, 2007 at 11:10 amAll part of the Republican Culture of Death.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:10 amnice and nice of you to STEREOTYPE me…TYPICAL LIBERAL.
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 11:07 am
Gawd that’s funny.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:12 amSeriously, wully nully if friggin’ hilarious
(and I don’t think he even knows it)
Juan C,
those “brownies”??? obssesed with race a bit son? trying to assume what color my skin is? another typical left winger……
it is illegal to hold terrorists without habeas corpus? since when do foreigners have American Constitutional rights, since when?
did FDR give habeas corpus to the Japanese, German and Italian POWs? did he? please do tell everyone herer how many trials were held during WWII of POWs that were held by Americans?
why do you want to give American rights to monsters like the terrorists?
according to your logic Juan C, the USa should have never invaded and bombed France to free them from nazi germany, right? since the French didn’t have the means to defeat Hitler…….right? so what you are saying is that it was immoral for the USA to invade Europe, bomb Europe and get rid of Hitler, right? there were millions of innocent deaths along the way…..would you have freed Europe from Hitler? according to the LIberal logic, no.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:12 amKofi Annan, sat on his comfy chair while Darfur was and is still going on.
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 11:04 am
So has our president. However, if a prostitute witnesses a murder should we disregard her testimony in court because of her chosen profession? Kofi Annon has done many terrible things, and worse, his lack of action resulted in more tragedy. However, he was quoting international law when he stated that the Iraq war is illegal. Had Iraq posed an imminent threat against us, the invasion would have been fully justified. Had we found WMD, the invasion would have been fully justified. Neither of these things have happened, however. Wars of aggression for purpose of regime change are prohibited by international law. However, I will quickly concede the point that the UN is a weak, corrupt organization who will never truly enforce anything (see Israel and 65 UN resolutions).
April 18th, 2007 at 11:12 amnully - frame some questions that are relevant to this situation and i’ll gladly show you your own ignorance - until then, I’ll assume that you’re too scared to go head-to-head.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:13 amKofi Annan is your monster, in any case. Frankly, the guy is all tied up. Do you know that US and the rest of the G-7 runs the UN, right? Otherwise you need to explain the 70+ UN resolutions that US has vetoed. (BTW, wasnt that another argument for bombing Saddam, a violation of a UN resolution?…more hypocresy)
Now, calling Kofi Annan a monster and saying there is nothing illegal in Iraq occupation really tells a lot about you. But, I think we already knew that. So, tell me, Von Neumman, so far what is the reason of US invading Iraq? There most be a strong one, you know, cuz otherwise we would be invading or bombing a lot of countries…(like Panama, Granada, Vietnam, Korea, Japan, Haiti, Cuba, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Brazil, Hawaii, Philippines, Sudan, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.) A lot of enemies, dont you think?
April 18th, 2007 at 11:13 amI’m pretty sure the anti-abortion idiots on the abortion thread above would be just fine with this horrific loss of life in Baghdad.
They say we have no souls…..
April 18th, 2007 at 11:14 amNote: Greenwald nails what is wrong with the US media and how they are used by the Rovian spin machine.
http://www.salon.com/ opinion/ greenwald/ 2007/ 04/ 18/ beltway_wisdom/ index.html
Basically they’re lazy and cater to cheap sensationalism about things that should otherwise be considered inworthy of any sort of coverage (such as how Edwards manages his hair and how this might affect his ability to lead and make decisions). Most regularly compromise honest journalistic principles.
Americans should all have access to the BBC.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:15 amit is illegal to hold terrorists without habeas corpus? since when do foreigners have American Constitutional rights, since when?
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 11:12 am
What makes those in Gitmo terrorists? Because we say so? American citizens have been held there and in other prisons around the world, just ask Donald Vance. We have held hundreds of people at Gitmo, claiming them as “terrorists” and then releasing them years later. The youngest prisoner there was 14 when captured, and 18 when released.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:19 amHas anyone actually heard from Michael Moore recently? Seriously, the last thing I noticed from him was F911 and that was how many years ago?
The wingnutz need a new boogeyman. Clinton and Moore are all worn out and Pelosi just ain’t gettin the traction…..
This MMoore talking point is one of the most stupid ones I’ve heard…
How many UN resolutions have the US vetoed behind the scenes?
How did Bolton work to make the UN better?
Typical rightwing, do a crap job, defund, then scream the process doesn’t work. Well maybe if they replaced the surgeons with Regent U grads, then they could scream that hospitals aren’t helping anyone and health care should be privatised….
April 18th, 2007 at 11:19 amI am not going to comment on the abortion thread above this one, because GOPers are hypocrites. They do not care that Iraqi children are blown to bits, but they claim that fetuses are sacred.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:19 amwould you have freed Europe from Hitler?
Comment by nully
Hey, Cicerus, Hitler commited suicide when the Russians got to their door. Get a freaking clue.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:20 amJuan C,
now Kofi Annan is a monster? I thought he was yoru god that proved how right you were about the Iraq War being illegal? you are funny Juan.
Juan, do you think that the USA deposing of Milosevic in Serbia was illegal? do you think what NATO, mainly the USA, did in Serbia was illegal?
April 18th, 2007 at 11:21 amIf you think Im a racist, nully, you are sinking fast in this debate.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:22 amJay Randal…
are you outraged that the terrorists in Iraq use children and women as human shields to prevent American soldiers from attacking them?
are you outraged that it is IRanians, Syrians, Lebanese and Iraqi terrorists the ones killing Iraqi children and women?
why don’t you show outrage and point your finger at Syria, Iran, Lebanon, Iraqi terrorists, etc instead of blaming americans?
April 18th, 2007 at 11:23 amComment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 11:21 am
You continue to avoid me, I don’t know why. But that is OK, I am at work and I’m about to have to go anyway. One last point before I leave - While I wasn’t completely supportive of the US miliray role in the Balkan states, the intervention by the US and the UN was to prevent further genocide. No such condition was on-going in Iraq at the time of our invasion.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:26 amit’s already sunk, juan… and thanks for your advice earlier…
April 18th, 2007 at 11:26 am:-)
#67
nully the loser, wrong (or lying) again. Is that simple enough for you to understand or are you gonna try to parse his words too….?
April 18th, 2007 at 11:29 amnully > Bush Regime invaded Iraq to control its OIL reserves and in doing so has caused sectarian violence to break out all over Iraq. Bush has caused this to happen!
I am outraged at anyone who resorts to violent acts of mayhem!
April 18th, 2007 at 11:29 amJuan, do you think that the USA deposing of Milosevic in Serbia was illegal? do you think what NATO, mainly the USA, did in Serbia was illegal?
Comment by nully
Of course, it was illegal. Let me say this clear:
STATES ARE NO MORAL AGENTS. Did you get it? Did you? Do you think NATO bombed Milosevic for all the people that was being slaughtered? Get a clue. They already knew Milosevic was killing people and they did nothing. The real genocide began when the massive exodus of people was bombed by planes that were supposed to help them. Oh, and the China embassy, by the way. NATO is an organization that wants to put pressure on Russia, as you probably know. That was a pact between Reagan and Gorbachov, and Russia is pissed because NATO wants to put bases on Ukraine, now. Milosevic was an IMF tool. Get a clue. Stop watching your media.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:30 amare you outraged that it is IRanians, Syrians, Lebanese and Iraqi terrorists the ones killing Iraqi children and women?
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 11:23 am
According to the Washington-based Center for Strategic International Studies (CSIS), only about 4 - 8% of the violence in Iraq is from foreign fighters. I would agree with this from first-hand experience.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:30 amBTW - just a friendly tip, don’t try to play the race game with Juan. He never made reference to your skin color, and those who actually know Juan are laughing at you.
and thanks for your advice earlier…
:-)
Comment by katy
Oh, please, katy. **blushing**
You have recommended me a better use of the english language before. I appreciated that.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:31 amHe never made reference to your skin color, and those who actually know Juan are laughing at you.
Comment by Chris L — April 18, 2007 @ 11:30
I appreciate that very much.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:36 amChris L,
really, don’t place the race card with Juan? he is the one that brought up the “brownies” as he called them and the whites…..the man is obviously obssesed with race.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:38 amNully, We all agree that the VT deaths are tragic. What makes them more so is that they are senseless. The parallel here is that every death in this war, American and Iraqi, is senseless too. There was NO NEED for America to invade Iraq.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:39 amgwb, are you listening, comprehending? This is your baby.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:40 amsickofitall,
instead of putting up how someone else interpreted Pope John Paul II words, why don’t you read his words and then comment on them.
try to think for yourself instead of allowing someone else to do the thinking for you.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:40 amChris L,
those that are lauging at me are all quite ignorant. :)
April 18th, 2007 at 11:41 amI show outrage that America illegally and immorally attacked and invaded a sovereign nation and now occupies it. What’s the difference between Nazi Germany a America, exactly?
I see a grotesque bloated military industrial complex stretching it’s talons out to grab Iraq’s oil, as per Cheney, Halliburton , and the Energy Task Force. I see poor, defenseless people defending their homeland from the invaders (like Vietnam) and what ever tactic they need to use to combat shock and awe, B52 bombers and whatever else the multi billion dollar military has to throw at them, I support them.
We know Bush lied about WMDs, about Aluminum tubes, uranium from Niger, and it will come out soon enough…Only an idiot like you would ignore the slimy, shifting justifications for war over the years and only an idiot like you would still give that frat boy loser of your president the benefit of the doubt.
Just go away you pathetic, morally vacant Ostrich American.
I though Lebanon was your ally? You sure can mix up your brown people.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:42 amreally, don’t place the race card with Juan? he is the one that brought up the “brownies†as he called them and the whites…..the man is obviously obssesed with race.
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 11:38 am
Ugh, another exercise in futility.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:42 amthe man is obviously obssesed with race.
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 11:38 am
No he is not. He was simply pointing out the inhumanity of American foreign policy towards other races. One can discuss race without being “obsessed”, and to latch on to that statement, while disregarding the larger argument, shows weakness in your own point of view. Ignore the “brownies” quote and try to stay on topic. Debate his lager argument which is the frutility of the Iraq occupation.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:43 am#
Chris L,
those that are lauging at me are all quite ignorant. :)
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 11:41 am
#
That is quite a broad generalization applied to a group of people you do not know.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:45 amgreggers,
what I don’t get is why aren’t liberals outraged at Al-Sadr, at the terrorists in Iraq who are killing Iraqis?
Iraqis were killing each other before the USA went into Iraq, Iraqis are killing each other now, and yes, sadly enough Iraqis will be killing each other after we leave.
now, the reality is that if we leave there will be a mass murdering all over Iraq and then what?
will the Liberals, who claim to be so much for human rights, ask for American troops to go back into Iraq? I mean, you can’t be for troops going into Darfur like some Democrats that against Iraq are pushing for now and be for the USA to leave Iraq, right? you just can’t.
why do Liberals hate Iraqis and love people from Darfur? why the racism from the left?
April 18th, 2007 at 11:47 amFAKE PICTURE!!! check out the bottom left corner, the sky is black, but it doesn’t seem like the smoke is doing it. i say fake
April 18th, 2007 at 11:47 am“Debate his lager argument”
OK, I meant “larger”, but a “lager” argument does sound nice!
April 18th, 2007 at 11:47 amAbout the “brownie” word. Read the context. I was talking like a right winger. You, nully, are the racist. Why? Because your support to the ILLEGAL occupation of Iraq is based on the idea, first of false security, and second, because you think Iraqi people couldnt stand by their own against Saddam. This a 5000 civilization, if you think then dont know how to fight, then you are completely ignorant about history.
Your argument is the same that Europeans used against Africans: Those poor africans are so hungry. We will help them by selling them guns and weapons, we will divide their continent and we will get their natural resources and exploit them for them, because they dont know how to make use of those.
The same thing.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:51 amChris L,
Left wingers are masters at making broad and generic comments about people theyd on’t know. I am just following in your foot steps. Don’t like your tactics, don’t use them.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:51 amShow me the link, it would be a first around here….
I can show you many links on the Vatican’s position on the illegal and immoral war.
Why aren’t you in Iraq, BTW?
April 18th, 2007 at 11:53 amwhat I don’t get is why aren’t liberals outraged at Al-Sadr, at the terrorists in Iraq who are killing Iraqis?
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 11:47 am
Sadr is part of the Iraqi government and holds 32 seats in the Iraqi parliament, as well as six ministries. He controls the largest political bloc in Iraq and was the predominant force that put Maliki in power. He also rules over the majority of Iraq’s Shia popluation, who President Bush said we were going there to free, four years ago when the Sunnis were in control of the government. The “left” generally hates Sadr, but it was Bush who put him in the position he is now.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:54 am#125…
April 18th, 2007 at 11:57 amReal enough, Ernesto.
The fire is originating from the lower right in the photo.
The black smoke is likely burning fuel, rubber, or plastic.
The lighter color is likely fine dust particulates blown out by the plasma (flames)
The lighest, whitish color at what seems to be the point of origin could be steam.
I’m a firefighter.
Chris L,
oh I get it…..I forgot….it is all Bush’s fault, right? I guess for you, WWII was his fault, the Korean War was his fault, Vietnam was his fault, Grenada was his fault, the Israeli-Palestine conflict is his fault, the Soviet Union was his fault, worm holes are his fault, stars exploding are his fault, hurricanes are his fault, car accidents are his fault, tornados are his fault, ships sinking are his fault, obessity in America is his fault, car accidents are his fault, etc, etc, etc….
I forgot, how coudl I do that…..
April 18th, 2007 at 11:57 amChris L,
Saying that Sadr ending up with a bloc of power in the Iraqi government is Bush’s fault is like saying that FDR was at fault for the Battle of the Buldge and so many American soldiers dying there…..
you might want to look a bit deeper into all this instead of simplifying it with…..”It was Bush’s fault…” don’t be such a simpleton.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:59 amLeft wingers are masters at making broad and generic comments about people theyd on’t know. I am just following in your foot steps. Don’t like your tactics, don’t use them.
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 11:51 am
Show me one point where I have done this. You remind me of my daughters, and their argument that they can do something, “because someone else did it first”. You also group me in with what you call “left wingers”. Obviously you don’t know me; I’m actually quite centristic.
Again, try to go back to the larger argument. What is the military mission in Iraq? What is our definition of “victory”? Do we support the Sunnis, or the Shia? What are your feelings on the Kurdish incursions into Turkey and their subsequent threat to invade northern Iraq? What about the Kurdish government’s ties to the Communist Party? Stop hurling insults and generalizations, and get back to the real debate.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:00 pmsickofitall,
is that the best you can do?
1) You were the one that used someonee elses words to tell me what the Pope ment.
2)Since when in the United States do you have belong to the military in order to have an opinion about what it does, eh? I take it you aren’t to fund of the Freedom of Speech part in our Constitution, eh?
nice try.
once again, go read up the original words from John Paul II instead of using someone elses words. try to think on your own, it will make you sound a lot smarter.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:01 pmSaying that Sadr ending up with a bloc of power in the Iraqi government is Bush’s fault is like saying that FDR was at fault for the Battle of the Buldge and so many American soldiers dying there…..
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 11:59 am
Bush has personally sent representatives to meet with Sadr, and has worked with Maliki to acheive various geographical provisions with him, ie. when American troops were not allowed to enter Najaf, or when local curfews did not apply to Sadr city.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:03 pmI’m a firefighter.
Comment by Raven
Hey!!! Thats interesting.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:04 pmOK, the Pope’s own words.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:07 pm#1-hey phil, they’re arabs who attacked us on 9/11 get over it. Have you forgot that the highjackers on 9/11 were all Iraqi’s?? You should be run out of the country…..I hear what you’re saying.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:11 pmHey, nully. Read this. Congrats.
http://www.ireland.com/ newspaper/ breaking/ 2007/ 0417/ breaking69.htm
April 18th, 2007 at 12:12 pmChris L,
for claming to be a centrist, you take radical left wing stands.
what is Victory in Iraq? Victory in Iraq will be achieved when the Iraqi government can govern itself without car bombs going off every day, without Iraqis dying from terrorists attacks every day. When the Iraqi military can support itself without the help of American troops. This is victory in Iraq. Any centrist would know this.
The Kurds? the Kurds are actually quite peaceful and if we must, the Kurds were actually marginalize in Turkey. The turkish government treats Kurds that live in Turkey as second class citizens. As for ties to the communist party, which party?
April 18th, 2007 at 12:12 pmChris L,
I believe you are starting to make things up…..please stick to the facts and not to the things that the voices in your head tell you are facts.
Once again, saying that Bush is at fault is like saying FDR was at fault for the disaster that the Battle of the Buldge was at first.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:14 pmChris L,
you put up what the current Pope has said about Iraqs current condition. Not what John Paul II said about Iraq.
Furthemore, while I am a Roman Catholic and I very much respect my Pope, he can have his own opinion about the Iraq War, it doesn’t mean he is right. The Pope is only infallible when it comes to matters of doctrine and faith, not when it comes to making a political opinion about what is going on in the world.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:18 pmJuan C,
how easily you fall prey to the propaganda spewed by our enemies? why do you believe Al Qaeda? why? no wonder you are a left wing extrimists, you are so easily fooled by evil people, like Al Qaeda.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:20 pmComment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
There you go, I knew you had it in you. Back to the real debate, good job. Now, for your “victory” definition, I agree that would represent a political victory for America. However, that is not a military victory, in that tank drivers and artillerymen do not help to acheive it. While I support the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq, there is still much we can do economically and politically. The large number of American troops in the region is counter-productive to those efforts.
As for the Kurds, I also agree. They have aligned with the Chinese politically and this provides a difficult catch-22 for the US. Turkey is our ally, and we are supposed to stand by their side. They are being attacked by the PKK, the Kurdish Worker’s Party, who we consider to be terrorists. And lastly, we don’t want to upset China too much because they are the one’s financing all of this. Looks like the safest position will be to side against Turkey, but that would favor a known terrorist group and a political organization that is stiffly at odds with the concept of democracy.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:22 pmThis is victory in Iraq.
Comment by nully
From a US POV, which doesnt mean a thing to any Iraqi. I worked with 2 Pakis that have friends and family in Iraq. They say they dont want 14 permanent bases in Iraq…PERMANENT, do you think the US military will abandon Iraq someday? Ha, they said the same thing during WWII regarding all the military bases they put in the Pacific and Europe…and yep, they are still there. So, no, US wont abandon peacefully Iraq, thats a fact. In the meantime, Iraqis dont want foreign country forces walking their streets, mainly. They will solve their religious disputes once the invading army is gone. Most of the people follows Islam by the word in Iraq, and nowhere in the Quran says “Death to America” or stuff like that. Jihadists are extremists just like you, who are afraid of everything and seek political goals in the aftermath.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:23 pmno wonder you are a left wing extrimists, you are so easily fooled by evil people, like Al Qaeda.
Comment by nully
Let me get this straight, just for the sake of stupidity in your comment: A left wing extremist follows the word of a right wing extremist like Al-Qaeda? mmm…yep.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:25 pmWhy dont you call me a Communist Nazi, now, please?
I believe you are starting to make things up…..please stick to the facts and not to the things that the voices in your head tell you are facts.
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
I am speaking from first-hand experience. I was there when US troops were told not to go into Najaf as it was under the control of Sadr. I was there when we were told that the curfew did not apply to Sadr City. To paraphrase you, please stick to the facts, not what Rush and Hannity tell you.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:25 pmWhere’s your link?
Deflect and dodge, insult, deflect dodge. You mean I should use your words, your fact free, link free assertions? You are a joke. The day I get think for yourself advice from a kool aid drinker….
The Constitution?
Are you talking about that goddamn piece of paper the monkey uses to wipe his ass with?
Now rightwingers respect the constitution….
I show links, you post bullshit. Same pattern, different wingnut.
You speak of Kurds now but ignore the fact that Saddam gassed them with American weapons, you know, when Saddam was your friend.
With friends like you……
April 18th, 2007 at 12:28 pmyou put up what the current Pope has said about Iraqs current condition. Not what John Paul II said about Iraq.
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
Yes, I did. Guilty as charged. Mea culpa.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:28 pmChris L, don’t argue with a chickenhawk, you know, the type who sits at his computer in his jammies “fighting here so he doesn’t have to fight over there”….typical chickenhawk.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:29 pmChris L,
did you serve, are you a military?
April 18th, 2007 at 12:31 pmOh yeah, why are you in Iraq? The hijackers of 911 were not Iraqi:
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Organizers_of_the_September_11,_2001_attacks
Seems I see 3 US allies there……no Iraq, yet you went after the weakest country with the most oil…..how telling. Take on the paper tiger…America…Fuck Yeah!
April 18th, 2007 at 12:34 pmsickofitall,
talk about not caring about the Constituion, you liberals who love and defend the 2nd Amendment so much, right? or make up rights, like the “right” to an abortion which doesn’t exist in the Constitution.
don’t blame us of doing what you and your party do. It is you and your party who love to wipe their behind with our Constitution. But leave it to a liberal to blame everyone else of what he/she does. typical.
Go read up on Tammy Bruce, an ex-president of NOW and a huge left wing activist that turned against all this and has shed a lot of light into the dirtry tricks of the left.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:36 pmJuan C,
sorry kid, the only extremists here are you, individuals like sickofitall, etc.
as you said, extremists are people that fear everything, you fear Bush, the American military, conservatives, Global Warming, etc, etc…..the only fear the only shacking in the boots comes from the left and that makes most of you on the left extrem wackos.
just using your logic son.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:38 pm#152 Nully
Look at Nully go. A true chickenhawk cyber neocon warrior. HaHaHa!! You neocon trolls are too easy. I think me spots a neocon cyber surge on TP. Must be a bad news day for neocons.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:39 pm#
Chris L,
did you serve, are you a military?
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
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Yes. I started with the First Cavalry Division, 1/9 Infantry (3rd BCT) in 1998, and deployed with the for Intrinsic Action in Operation Desert Spring, Kuwait, 2000. Upon return home, I changed my MOS from Infantry to Mlitary Police, and served the next two years with the 6th MP Group (CID) at Fort Hood, Texas. I was part of Operation Noble Eagle and Operation Enduring Freedom, as a Military Police Investigator. Then I changed my MOS again (not good for your career, let me tell you!) I served as a Combat Engineer (12B, Explosives and Demolitions), attached to the 1st Armored Division in Baghdad from 2003 - 2004, 16 months. I came home to a medical discharge and 60% disability. Now I am enjoying the Montgomery GI Bill, covering most of my college costs! Yourself?
April 18th, 2007 at 12:40 pmNully,
Go read up on David Brock. A huge right-wing activist that turned against all of this and has shed a lot of light into the dirty tricks of the right.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:41 pmI don’t understand the want and need for anyone to politicize what happened in VT…..
Comment by nully
We know you don’t nully. That’s what is sad, you REALLY don’t “get it”. You don’t get the fact that the only reason Iraq is a war zone is because AmeriKKKa made it that way. To people like you only AmeriKKKans matter. You may not understand now, but believe me, you WILL understand soon enough!!!!!
April 18th, 2007 at 12:42 pmtalk about not caring about the Constituion, you liberals who love and defend the 2nd Amendment so much, right?
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
Not really a left-wing agenda anymore. Rudy G is repub, and pro gun control. I am a registered Democrat (just like the only Iraq War vet in congress) and I am very Pro-Gun. I believe gun control means using both hands to control the recoil.
However, I personally know republicans who favor a repeal of the fourth amendment. Like I said before, be careful with those generalizations.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:44 pmWhatever makes you sleep well at night, nully.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:46 pmNully you are the typical brainwashed christian fundamentalist for whom iraqi lives do represent nothing while virginians represent everything.
F*uck you (from Spain).And f*uck your repugnisc*m representatives too (Representatives of DEATH)
April 18th, 2007 at 12:48 pmNully, NONE of the insurgency would have happened had we not torn Iraq apart. Al Queda is there now because we are there. Al Sadr is killing because we are killing. Stop watching Fox and everything will become clearer for you!!
April 18th, 2007 at 12:51 pm“nully
“what is Victory in Iraq? Victory in Iraq will be achieved when the Iraqi government can govern itself without car bombs going off every day, without Iraqis dying from terrorists attacks every day. When the Iraqi military can support itself without the help of American troops. This is victory in Iraq. Any centrist would know this”
Such victory can not be achieved with military force.
“Once again, saying that Bush is at fault is like saying FDR was at fault for the disaster that the Battle of the Buldge was at first.
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 12:14 pm”
The battle of the bulge is a victory for America on the other hand Iraq is a mess and it’s getting worse so blaming Bush for the situation is very justifiable.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:52 pmHey Bush! When are you going to withdraw our troops?
April 18th, 2007 at 12:52 pmHey Bush! Do you have any compassion for the Iraqi people who suffer tragedies every day?
Hey Bush! Our soldiers are in the midst of a civil war you triggered.
Hey Bush! Why don’t you just resign now and let someone else take over cleaning up your mess - that’s what you have done all your life - why change your m.o. now? Just leave, why don’t you?
Don’t give me this sanctimonious shit about the right to life for a clump of cells while living people, to you, are worth shit. You justify and defend the murders of 100s of thousands of Iraqis, yet you get on a fucking high horse about abortion. Right wing hypocrites….like the monkey, Mr. ProLife as he signed the death warrant on Karla Faye Tucker…and he mocked her.
How can you stand yourself? I say again, go out and fight your super little war, instead of leeching off the system and climbing over the dead backs of others who had to go to show everyone just how tough you are.
You have no idea if I am left right or diagonal, whether I am pro-life or pro-choice, yet you operate from false premises and that narrow little worldview of yours. When you step out of the world of convenient little labels, it gets all too confusing for the apologist.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:53 pmDid someone tell McCain that Iraq is burning?
Did someone tell Graham that he can’t buy more rugs on his next trip because the market place and merchants have been blown up?
Did someone tell Bush that the surge is not working?
April 18th, 2007 at 12:55 pmBush is a freaking disaster. I swear to God , everything that man touches turns to shit. It’s like Bush has the bizzaro world midas touch.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:56 pmComment by Marie — April 18, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
That post goes well to the tune of “Hey Joe!” by Jimmy Hendrix.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:57 pmIs there any right wing meme you won’t drag in here today? Global warming, how did we get on that?
PS, I believe the majority of the world’s scientists over a pajama clad moron like you anyday.
Nully (like a typical right winger, against science), yelling into his cellphone at the ‘wacko left”: “I tell you that science is a hoax. Ignore this magic God talky box stuck up against my ear!”. Nully then proceeds to get on his computer and tell anyone who will listen that science is a hoax. Why aren’t you on a horse and buggy?
April 18th, 2007 at 1:00 pmnully -
You said. “Do you think Iraqis will stop killing each other if we leave? They have been killing each other long before we got there”
Exactly - And they are killing each other while we are there. So why stay? According to your logic, it makes no difference if we stay or leave. All we are doing is increasing the number of terrorists world wide.
Oh and by the way. It’s called the right to privacy that we quote “Made Up” as you put it. It’s based on the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures. You should think things through before you put fingers to keys.
April 18th, 2007 at 1:09 pmI’d rather die then let some little whiny coward like nully take away any of my rights.
April 18th, 2007 at 1:12 pmit’s up to 178
April 18th, 2007 at 2:36 pmDamned MSM reporting reality again. They must be for the terrorists!
April 18th, 2007 at 2:48 pmLiving in Iraq is like having an Oklahoma City bombing once a week and a school shooting once or twice a day.