Conservatives Take Aim At Bush-Backed Gun Law
In the wake of the Virginia Tech massacre, many conservatives have suggested that the shooting spree highlights the need for more guns in schools. Specifically, there has been a call by some on the right for “an immediate end” to the Gun Free School Zones Act, which prohibits the possession of a firearm in a school zone.
Michelle Malkin: “Enough is enough, indeed. Enough of intellectual disarmament. Enough of physical disarmament. You want a safer campus? It begins with renewing a culture of self-defense — mind, spirit and body. It begins with two words: Fight back.“
Earlier this week, Fox News’ John Gibson and Andrew Napolitano suggested that Virginia had dropped the ball by not allowing students to carry guns on campus:
GIBSON: So, theoretically, in this lecture hall where all 31 were killed, there could have been someone with a carry permit carrying their gun to shoot the shooter?
NAPOLITANO: No, because the same people that just dropped the ball, as Bo just described, that allowed 32 additional people to die, also said: “Virginia lets you carry a gun at a gas station or a bank or a stadium, but not on a college campus, where you may protect kids.”
At today’s White House press briefing, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino temporarily quieted the critics, reminding them, “As governor [of Texas], he supported weapons-free school zones.” Watch it:
In the 2000 presidential debates, Bush said, “[Gore] says we ought to have gun-free schools. Everybody believes that. I’m sure every state in the union’s got them. You can’t carry a gun into a school.”
Transcript:
QUESTION: What does the president think of the gun control rule which prohibited guns on the campus of Virginia Tech?
PERINO: I haven’t spoken to him about that specifically. I do know, as governor, he supported weapons-free school zones.
QUESTION: He supported…
PERINO: When he was governor of Texas, yes.
QUESTION: And he thinks that this was effective at Virginia Tech?
PERINO: I’m not going to comment about that.
i said this was going to happen. The bodies weren’t even warm before the wingnuts started spewing this shit. now the mighty wurlitzer is in full swing.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:36 pmSo the Right is for allowing guns in inner city and suburban high schools too? Great idea. Good luck with that.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:36 pmOh, right Malkin, your suggestion makes me feel sooooooooo safe as a mother. I can send my kids off to school with their six shooter and wonder if today will be a repeat of the OK CORRAL. Malkin is a stupid, really stupid, woman.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:40 pmWhat a bunch of stupid fu*ks. The answer isn’t more guns. Jesus friggin’ Christ, I am even a gun owner and I knwo that people like Patrick1 shouldn’t be allowed to have a gun, let a lone more of them.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:42 pmThis phrase “you can’t carry guns into schools” is laughable and a lie. The shooter certainly carried 2 into a school. The only thing these laws do is force the law abiding students to go to school defenseless. Anyone wishing to break this law can do it easily as proven. These laws need to change so our sons and daughters can fight back when maniacs wish them harm. Currently our government creates an unsafe environment and goes further by not allowing Americans to protect themselves. They have basically set up a firing range for maniacs where their prey doesn’t stand a chance.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:43 pmmore guns more guns! yah, that’s the answer…fools
April 18th, 2007 at 2:43 pmWow, do ya think I could wear my guns and cowboy hat to school and tame those bad guys? Ya Whoooo!
April 18th, 2007 at 2:43 pmAnd it’s always those in favor of arming everyone, who say that “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” who are against any sort of public funding for addressing the reasons why people commit violent crimes.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:44 pmLet’s just issue a rapid fire weapon to every citizen (man, woman and child) and make it legal to just go out blast away if you feel threatened by anyone or anything. After most of the population murders each other it should be easy get a handle on this violence problem.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:45 pmJust to put it into perspective: these people voted twice for The Worst President Everâ„¢.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:45 pmSo Roger squared - should the students carry their guns in their backpacks? Should they all walk around with gun holsters like in the days of the ‘wild west’?
April 18th, 2007 at 2:46 pmObviously a room full of unarmed college students didnt’ go very well. How many lives would have been saved had one brave student had a gun?
April 18th, 2007 at 2:46 pmBy their argument, we should also allow them to have assault rifles to combat people who could theoretically bring in assault rifles, right?
Sniper rifles to take out snipers?
Bombs to take out bombers?
How can they not see their logic is completely contrary to logic?
April 18th, 2007 at 2:46 pmSo roger_roger, say you see two people with a guns pointed at each other, who are you going to shoot? Say you decide and pull your piece of manhood out and take aim at the “badguy”: what will stop another hero from shooting you? (I forget where i read this scenario yesterday)
April 18th, 2007 at 2:47 pmIsn’t this what the Iraqi insurgency is doing??
Why do conservatives hate our soldiers?
April 18th, 2007 at 2:47 pmYou bet, R2, that’s exactly what keeps a school safe — crossfire!
April 18th, 2007 at 2:47 pmMore guns will lead to more deaths. Brilliant. Another conservative policy waiting to fail. You’d think these guys would get ONE right before proposing more idiotic policies.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:48 pm“They have basically set up a firing range for maniacs where their prey doesn’t stand a chance”
roger_roger
an accurate description of Iraq right about now. and we have 150,000 plus troops and hired guns there trying to keep a lid on the violence, how is that working out?
April 18th, 2007 at 2:49 pmYeah….add guns to school.
That’s smart. At least until a classroom argument gets heated enough that someone decides to draw a gun, just because they have it.
Or when drunken college students get rowdy enough at a party, and decide to draw out the old nine-iron to show off.
THAT’S real genius in school safety.
Yes, this would have happened either way, laxer control laws or stricter control laws. But the idea that things would be safer overall with easier access to guns in schools is retarded on its face.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:49 pm#5, then how do you account for this kind of violence being the forte of Americans? Why is it that you don’t see this kind of violence in other developed countries? Brilliant, arm everyone. That’s a great answer. So every American that feels the slightest threat will be drawing pistols and firing away?
April 18th, 2007 at 2:50 pm“Gun’s don’t kill people, people kill people. But I think the guns help, I mean… walking up to someone and saying bang doens’t seem to do as much damage.”
April 18th, 2007 at 2:50 pm- Eddie Izzard
This is so shameful.
Trip Master Monkey, this is what you advocate for?
April 18th, 2007 at 2:51 pmHow many would perish in “friendly fire”?
Shooting is easy. Hitting a target is not. Hitting a target in such a commotion is next to impossible and requires a coldbloodedness that special police forces only acquire by very hard training.
If I imagine a school with gun carrying pupils, my blood turns cold. I wouldn’t have my children there.
Now, before any of the trolls here, tells me I have no idea what I am talking about. I’m a competition shooter and my targets are 50 m away. My targets are made of paper and don’t move, and my targets are definitely not shooting back at me. And still I never made 100 points and most probably never will. I would always prefer running to making a bad situation worse by joining in and shooting.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:51 pmMaybe Malkin will pack her two kids lunch and a 22 caliber in thier backpack. “Here you go honey I made PB&J and there is a clip of bullets in here as well. You never know what will happen on the playground today.”
April 18th, 2007 at 2:52 pm#12: One student DID have a gun. That’s was the cause of the entire massacre. Dumba$$.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:52 pmOk, yes it makes perfect sense to me. Arm a bunch of 18-22 year old college males. Then when the beer parties start, the drunkeness begins and the uber alpha male testoterone kicks in — woo hoo - shoot out at the OK Corral!!!!!! YEEEEHAWWWW!!!! Never mind that, God forbid, another radom and inexplicable act like Monday occurs and dozens of people are firing at one another at about the time the SWAT and police units storm in, and, let’s see, hows does the police and SWAT personnel know who to use deadly force on — eenie, meenie, miney moe ???? Do these people have any ability to analyze any issue? Irretrievably stupid.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:52 pmHow many lives would have been saved had one brave student had a gun?
And how many more would have been LOST if two or three people were slinging bullets instead of one? You forget that bullets don’t know the difference between a “good guy” and a “bad guy”.
So instead of a “heroic rescue”, you get the classic “killing box” and instead of mourning 32 dead we’d be mourning 40 or 50+.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:53 pmGreat Idea Michelle. Lets let all those kids bring guns and knives to school, some of those throwing stars the ninja use. Let’s let everyone have a gun and we can start having duels on the playgrounds and in the libraries! We can shoot each other on the highways biways and the straightaways, lets let prisoners have guns as well, lets recreate the old west. Why if we have guns in schools we should have bars at schools!
Just think of it, we could take guns to work, to school, to bars, on the planes, on the trains, the buses and in our SUV’s!
Why we could create a “Going Postal” society!!
Oddly Michelle runs from a guy asking for a signature on a picture during CPAC, if only she would have had a gun!
April 18th, 2007 at 2:54 pmI’m thinking that with all of the students armed, armored vests will become quite chic! Might want to add a helmet while you’re at it. Maybe they can all buy ammo at the school co-op! School orientations should include target practice!
Might make for some interesting football games too!
April 18th, 2007 at 2:54 pmComment by Roger_Roger Debate_Dodger — April 18, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
since your post deals in the hypothetical, I’ll one up ya!
Had there actually been a strict gun control law, that would have prevented anyone from attaining automatic handguns, then Cho would have taken his aggression on students using….what?
April 18th, 2007 at 2:55 pmA knife?
A bayonet?
A tap from a keg?
guess what, in all three cases, he would have been easily stopped before piling up such a body count
Now, you live in your hypothetical ideology where the wild wild west returns, and I’ll live in mine, where gun control actually works!
mmmmmmmmmmmmm…let me think about this for a second, drunk college kids and handguns. I like it!!!
April 18th, 2007 at 2:55 pmThank God Samuel Alito is on the Supreme Court.
Both his judicial activism and shockingly narrow view of the Commerce Clause are on display in United States v. Rybar, where he opined in that a U.S. law banning private citizens from owning submachine guns was outside the authority of Congress.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:57 pmSo, is Vegas putting up odds yet on when the first Professor gets killed in class by an irate student?
Or when rival gangs open up on each other in the lecture hall?
Shall we return to the days of the Wild West and encourage all citizens to “shoot first and ask questions later”?
If you feel you must walk around carrying a gun to be safe, you are living in fear.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:58 pmYou guys don’t get it, do ya. This is BUSH America, every man for himself. But,well of course you can belong to a gang/clan.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:58 pmMaybe us good guys should wear brown shirts so we can recognize each other.
Ironically I didn’t hear the gun nuts ask to repeal this gun act after the home schooled fundamental Christian went wacko and killed those school children (quaker) when he was angry at God.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:58 pmKeg Party + Firearms = Increased Safety
Duh
April 18th, 2007 at 2:59 pmIt’s a brilliant idea. Allow guns in schools and colleges and nobody will want to go there and our armed forces recruitment problem will be solved. Where else are these uneducated slobs going to get a good job?
All education does is make people more liberal and progressive anyway. This way you kill two birds with one stone.
Brilliant.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:59 pmHey “Milkball Malkin” should read what Tim a VTech student had to write as part on Bob Ceseca’s post on the Huffington Post today.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:59 pmOne element of this line of right-wing “thought” (read: reflex) that is so absurd is that they seem to think that the people who decided to ban guns on a college campus must have completely overlooked the possibility that a single, disturbed individual could get himself a gun and wreak terrible destruction on innocents.
You people are clearly idiots.
Everyone knows events like this are always possible, but thankfully very infrequent. You, as usual, want to legislate for the extreme. It’s called “knee-jerk” although we could lose the “knee” part and it would be just as applicable.
I can usually read wingnuts posts as amusing in their delusion or obliviousness, but this tack is just apalling.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:00 pmSomething I’ve NEVER heard anyone talk about in this argument. Let’s not ban guns. In fact, let everyone carry one. 2nd Amendment protects that freedom, blah, blah, blah. Here’s your control: OUTLAW THE PRODUCTION OF AMMO FOR CIVILIAN USE. Guns don’t work very well with no bullets. Constitution does not give right to ammo.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:01 pm“Keg Party + Firearms = Increased Safety”
especially for the ladies!
April 18th, 2007 at 3:02 pmShall we return to the days of the Wild West and encourage all citizens to “shoot first and ask questions later�
we’re already there. How many states have passed or are considering so called “no retreat” laws?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:02 pmWhat does Dana think about allowing guns at press briefings ? (sarcasm).
April 18th, 2007 at 3:02 pmPatrick and Roger_Roger,
Let’s dive into your idea for minute. We should not laugh you out of the room with not having at least the possibility right?
Small hypothetical to illustrate what could happen in your utopic vision of an armed high school. The hypothetical shouldn’t be all that whacky considering the majority of it will come from experiences that we have all watched play out on our evening news.
Two gumen come in to a school armed with two handguns each, and plenty of extra magazines/ammo. They walk into a full cafeteria and start firing. Those students who are “packing heat” whip their guns and begin laying down some fire. Chaos ensues. People who shouldn’t be getting shot will surely be shot. If the students were lucky maybe they take out the perps with ease. If not, then the bullets keep flying.
Now enter the police. They might find maybe 10 people firing at one another. WHO WILL THEY SHOOT!?!?!?!?!?
I have kids that go to school, believe me when this stuff happens it terrifies me to drop them off. But I really think that arming everyone, would have make no difference in the long run.
And to those that think taking guns away will make any difference, think again. Guns aren’t going anywhere.
We as a society have to start trying to answer the question of these disturbed people do these things. Now it possible that some are plain crazy. But I don’t buy that. Jeffrey Dahmer was plain crazy. I think that is different.
This is a crime of self loathing. If there were more guns, it might have been stopped earlier. But it might also have been worse.
We have to start thinking about this the right way.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:02 pmHey, where is my post — it had to do with college males, drunkeness, guns, shooting, police, SWAT units, not knowing who to use deadly force on when dozens of guns are drawn, and people who are irretrivably stupid.
I promise it was a bit amusing and sarcastic.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:03 pmGood idea, Buckaroo Bonzai!
April 18th, 2007 at 3:05 pmI think everyone should be packing a .45, christ we’ll solve so many problems in a short time, we all know the way to lower violent crimes is to just have everyone carrying a gun. I mean look how well it’s gone so far.
It really should go back to the old west days, someone you don’t like, just friggen shoot em. Cut you off in traffic, just friggen shoot em. Get a little drunk at a bar and catch some guy looking at your girlfriend, just shoot em. We know the bible really only needs one commandment
“Just friggen shoot em”
We won’t even need police any more, look at all the taxes we can save. Got a problem, big or small, forget judge judy… Just friggen shoot em.
/sarcasm off
On a serious note, I am not anti gun, I think we do need them for home protection, and protection from our govt. But giving pimple faced kids guns on campus will just cause problems after a friday of beer bongs.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:05 pmThe state must not allow a youngster to walk in a gun store & buy weapons by simply using a credit card….then go and use it against innocent people,whether in school or somewhere else..
It is the responsibility of lawmakers to prevent this from happening again.
Just to come and have prayers is not enough.
I keep hearing politicians saying:”Our job is to protect the American people”. !!!!
April 18th, 2007 at 3:07 pmThis will be a nice homework for politicians who make the claim.
Wonder how the Mayor of Nagasaki feels about strict liberal gun control? We could ask him but he was shot and killed Monday.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:08 pmComment by Jeff — April 18, 2007 @ 2:50 pm
You win, if only for pulling out Eddie Izzard.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:09 pmIf you feel you must walk around carrying a gun to be safe, you are living in fear.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
E.X.A.C.T.L.Y.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:09 pmThinkProgress and Larry Pratt have misread the Gun Free School Zones Act. That statute applies to primary and secondary schools.
Sec. 1702 “The term `school’ means a school which provides elementary or secondary education, as determined under State law.”
It does not apply to colleges and universities. The Gun Free School Zones Act is irrelevant to a discussion of the Virginia Tech massacre and Virginia Tech’s internal gun prohibition policy.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:11 pmBased on this logic, we should all be allowed to carry guns to a Presidential public conference! If we cannot carry guns to a Presidential public conference, then the President is just wanting average Americans to be defensless should anyone start shooting at people!
Pres. Bush hates everyone that goes to any of his public appearances because they are not allowed to carry guns to protect themselves from criminals that have guns!
Pres. Bush hates US citisens!
/sarcasm
April 18th, 2007 at 3:11 pmPeople are right when they say guns don’t kill people. Bullets do. Ban the manufacture of bullets.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:11 pmAll education does is make people more liberal and progressive anyway. This way you kill two birds with one stone.
Brilliant.
Comment by Abby
Apparently it created a wacko right nut gun lover who thought killing people is the cure to every problem.
Just like destroying Iraq and killing some 600,000 people that suffered under Saddam freed them and cured the problem of a Brutal dictator. BTW did you know that this “Freedom Operation” has killed more than double what Saddam did during 23 years of rule? And will cost the taxpayers some 1-2 trillion before it’s all said and done?
Might is RIght works every time!!
April 18th, 2007 at 3:12 pmComment by Crump’s Brother — April 18, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
CB, thanks as always for taking the time to formulate clear thinking into cogent prose.
Unfortunately, I’m pretty sure your effort will make little if any impact on R2 or P-zero.
What you wrote, however, did make me think about a hypothetical arms race in these high schools, as the malcontents realize that, in order to make an impact, they’re have to seek out bigger and more powerful weapons than the other kids have.
The miniscule percentage of kids driven to take such action is not going to be deterred by other kids being armed; he doesn’t care if he dies — he’s looking forward to it, it seems. He’ll just have to make sure he’s packing enough heat to really punish his tormenters.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:13 pmSomeone needs to remind John Gibson and Andrew Napolitano that their line of “thought” means the kiddies would be bringing their weapons along with them on Fox News studio tour field trips. Harharhar!!
April 18th, 2007 at 3:13 pmNot everyone should carry a gun as their are people that have a bad temple.
I live about 20 miles from Milwaukee and you see people get into arguement and then pull a gun out and they shoot them. That is one example. Like I said not everyone need to carry a gun.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:14 pmWe could ask him but he was shot and killed Monday.
Comment by Patrick1
Yeah, shot in the back twice. A brand new Uzi would have been very useful when you are shot that way.
Ok, forgive me, people for answering this stupid comment.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:14 pmoh my….
Liberals who claim to love and cherish our Constitution should be glad that Conservatives are for defending its 2nd Amendment, right?
please, all that gun control laws do is take away the guns from law abiding citizens….criminals will always have gun, stupid gun control laws will not prevent them from getting guns.
remember people, guns don’t kill people, people, criminals using guns kill people.
There needs to be some type of gun control, i mean we don’t need sub-machine guns, but to outlaw guns completly, please.
Britain has one of the harsh it gun controls law in the world, and criminals still find a way to use guns for murder, assaulting people, etc, etc….go figure, eh?
gun control laws will never stop an incident like VT, Colombine, etc, etc……
sh….t while we are it, lets ban knives since they can and have been used for murder, let’s ban cars, pools, rope, etc, etc, etc since they all have been used to murder people, right?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:14 pmIt’s the Reich Wingnuts that are the idiots who read the law wrong.
They should have actually read it before condemning it.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:15 pmIt will be fun when O´Reilly interviews Snoop Dog, both having guns.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:15 pm#21 — Eddie Izzard is hilarious. #48 — Knee jerk reaction much.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:16 pmAny politician who tells you that you need a gun to protect yourself…
he is in fact telling you..”we politicians & the system cannot protect you”…
If these politicians admit that they cannot protect you…then they need to resign and let someone else have better system and better ideas…
April 18th, 2007 at 3:16 pmYou misread the article Exley, it says that CONSERVATIVES and a call from the RIGHT want to do away with the act. It’s not TP that misread the law, it’s the gun nuts. And its the gun nuts that don’t know the difference between a school and a college and are pining about it.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:16 pmInteresting that this country makes it more difficult to get a license to drive than to own a gun.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:16 pmThinkProgress and Larry Pratt have misread the Gun Free School Zones Act. That statute applies to primary and secondary schools.
Comment by Exley — April 18, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
Thanks for picking that nit, Exley. It’s good to know that your compadres on this forum, like R2 and P-zero are only talking about arming college students. I wonder how they would propose to respond to Columbine?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:17 pmA sneak-peek inside the “Right-wing(aka Troll)” mind:
Kill kill kill . . . BLOOD . . . Kill kill . . . BLOODY BLOOD BLOOD . . . Kill, maim, harm . . . Not enough prayer in schools . . . Kill . . . Bloody blood . . . I need to masturbate again . . . Torture this, torture that . . . Liberals are evil . . . Kill kill . . . Evil liberal Stalinists . . . Boil all global warmers loons in hot Exxon-Mobile crude oil . . . Kill blood harm maim, boil burn HURT THEM, WE MUST HURT THEM LIKE WE HURT INSIDE . . . Kill the evil liberal Stalinist coward puke human rights wimps . . . Kill in the name of Jesus.
Kill.
Harm.
Hate.
Masturbate.
Repeat.
End: Inside the Right-wing mind.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:18 pmClearly the rightwing nuts want to carry more guns to arm themselves against rightwing nuts.
Liberals don’t carry guns…Hello.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:18 pmI am against more guns : but what happens when the good ‘ol USA becomes a police state and we have to defend ourselves.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:19 pmInteresting how Congress refuses to lift the ban on guns in the Capitol Builiding. Wouldn’t Republicans feel safer if they and other citizens inside the Capitol could carry guns. Even assault rifles.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:20 pmIf you criminalize gun ownership only criminals children will accidentally shoot themselves .
April 18th, 2007 at 3:20 pmZep, I said that both Larry Pratt, president of Gun Owners of America, and TP misunderstand the scope of the statute. It’s a silly comment by Pratt. The students at VT were not prohibited from carrying firearms by the Gun Free School Zones Act.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:22 pmThere’s always sharp rocks, fire-hardened wooden spears, and pitchforks……..
April 18th, 2007 at 3:22 pmIf Bush would’ve been there, he would have continued to read “My Pet Goat,” then after the massacre was over he’d take out his revenge by shooting a random student at the University of Virginia.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:22 pmI am against more guns : but what happens when the good ‘ol USA becomes a police state and we have to defend ourselves.
Comment by Kay — April 18, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
Unfortunately, you will be outgunned, no pun intented. Your Glock pistol will be no match for the firepower of a police state.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:23 pmWill Karl Rove start a smear campaign against Bush?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:23 pmInteresting that the same conservatives that home school their kids because they’re afraid of bad language and sex education want everybody to have guns in school. Why is that. Because they don’t send their kids to school anyway.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:23 pmhow about Katrina when our government failed us so badly…….local, state and federal level were no where to help anyone…..
do you think people should have the right to carry guns in situations like Katrina?
how about if a student at VT carried a gun….wouldn’t he/she been able to kill the crazed fool before he killed up to 31 people?
hey, we don’t need sub machine guns, but it would be nice to have guns to defend ourselves.
the way things are going and how crazy liberals are becoming, i love my guns. :)
well seriously now, how about Katrina…..under our Constitution, which Liberals claim to love and cherish so much each and everyone of us has the right to own a gun, why do liberals hate the Constitutiona so much?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:23 pmGreat point #70. Can’t have a gun in the Capital. Where’s the outrage? I mean Kucinich wouldn’t stand a chance if Hastert got testy.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:24 pmThis can’t possibly be a “for real” argument. I think it has to be a diversionary tactic on the part of these loony toons to get us to forget about Iraq.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:26 pmThe students at VT were not prohibited from carrying firearms by the Gun Free School Zones Act.
Comment by Exley
Your wasting your breath here Exley, you should be over at the rightwing wacko sites explaining that to them.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:27 pmhome schooled fundamental Christian went wacko and killed those school children (quaker) when he was angry at God.
Comment by Zep Tepi — April 18, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
We you see, if those Quaker children hadn’t been Quakers but fundamentalist Christians they could have taken their guns to school and protected themselves.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:28 pmI think the split on this issue is between people who believe in the ability of Americans to take care of themselves, believe that our people are basically capable and competent, and those that think we’re generally stupid, incompetent, and not worthy of the rights guaranteed to us under the constitution.
Having witnessed first hand the tragic events of 911, I do believe that most Americans are heroic, responsible, and will rise to the occasion of any crisis. I believe this, so long as our hands aren’t tied behind our backs, like the victims in V.A.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:28 pmIdiotic: give everyone a gun!?
Stupid stupid stupid! How about, full, through background investigations into anyone trying to buy a gun? Like New Jersey’s gun laws.
That would be prudent.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:29 pmAnd it’s always those in favor of arming everyone, who say that “guns don’t kill people, people kill people†who are against any sort of public funding for addressing the reasons why people commit violent crimes.
Comment by bob (not the hacker) — April 18, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
I am not in favor of arming everyone, but I am in favor of every ADULT being able to legally arm themselves. These “kids” were adults.
With that said
Guns don’t kill people, people kill people is a true statement. Let me give you a true to life example.
In 1996 I was stationed in Okinawa. Shortly before I arrived there, a young American male killed an Okinawa woman with the claw end of a hammer. Does that mean that we should ban hammers or have stricter restrictions on hammers? No. A hammer is a tool, as is a gun. It can be used for a good purpose (as in building a home) or a bad one. A gun can be used for protection, or for food. But it could also be use for evil things as well.
Keep things in perspective. Smith & Wesson did not kill these poor kids, Cho did.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:29 pmthe way things are going and how crazy liberals are becoming, i love my guns. :)
Yeh thats why all those anti-war types DO NOT carry guns and hold up peace signs and want the troops out of Iraq. Because they love guns and violence so much.
You guys sure are twisted in your hypocritical logic.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:30 pmKeep things in perspective. Smith & Wesson did not kill these poor kids, Cho did. Comment by hacker bob
Smith & Wesson just made it possible for him to kill 31 poor kids before he could be stopped. How many could he have killed without a gun?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:33 pmGood grief. You can’t drink until you’re 21 but these nuts think a 19 year old freshman is mature enough to carry a semi-automatic?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:33 pmI think they were Amish not quaker
April 18th, 2007 at 3:34 pmShortly before I arrived there, a young American male killed an Okinawa woman with the claw end of a hammer. Does that mean that we should ban hammers or have stricter restrictions on hammers?
Comment by hacker bob (thank you for your service, and your taste in music! — April 18, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
Yes, but would a hammer kill more than 2 dozen of students in a matter of hours? would a hammer cause a lockdown of an entire campus? would a hammer cause a delay in police action?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:34 pm# 78 NULL
April 18th, 2007 at 3:34 pmThe first people on scene in New Orleans were Blackwater ( private army with a budget of billions represented by Ken Star and Fred Fielding the presidents general counsel,based in Virginia)employees , guns drawn and pointed at American citizens .Their newest profit scheme is to break into intelligence ( domestic ? ).
Black water , which forms a 3 to one ratio with our own Army in Iraq is by all accounts far better equipt and trained and has ,I believe 75000 employees .
Who needs gun control when you have a private army based and operating with in the continental United States ?
Blackwater making the US safe from democracy ,coming to a city near you
April 18th, 2007 at 3:36 pmRe # 78
more people starved to death, died of heat exhustion and drowned in katrina than died from gunshots. by a long shot. (An inappropiate saying in this context, but think how many gun related sayings we have.)
The solution to Katrina isn’t more guns, it’s better government.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:36 pmTodays question , which other famous dictator had a private army ?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:38 pmSmith & Wesson, uh Glock
April 18th, 2007 at 3:38 pmFirst the left screams its the guns fault and then the right loses it and calls for more guns at schools and calls for people to fight back… well you know what I see from this incident? Human beings are unstable and what they decide is “fighting back” may vary from person to person or from time to time… and they will have guns to include into their potentially emotional and rash decisions.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:40 pmBanning guns would be great. It’s just not possible. Banning guns would get the same result as banning drugs: there would be just as many guns, but now there would also be a criminal industry supplying those guns.
We’d do better to address the societal issues that lead unstable people to act on their delusions.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:40 pmHow many could he have killed without a gun?
Comment by And You Thought REAGAN Was Stupid — April 18, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
31, but he could have used a car instead.
Good grief. You can’t drink until you’re 21 but these nuts think a 19 year old freshman is mature enough to carry a semi-automatic?
Comment by ann — April 18, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
I work with 19 y/o “kids” that carry semi-automatic and automatic weapons all the time.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:40 pmre # 85
hacker bob, I’m not in favor of doing away with guns anymore than you are in favor of letting everyone have guns regardless of their mental state.
What I was trying to say is that the people who most often repeat the phrase “guns don’t kill people…” say that in response to situations like what just happened at VT. what happens is that guns by themselves don’t kill people, people holding guns kill people. and those who want to separate the killing from the guns, for the most part, aren’t willing to do the work, and spend the money, to solve the problems that push people to use the guns that kill people.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:43 pmBanning guns would be great. It’s just not possible. Banning guns would get the same result as banning drugs: there would be just as many guns, but now there would also be a criminal industry supplying those guns.
We’d do better to address the societal issues that lead unstable people to act on their delusions.
Comment by RantingTommy — April 18, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
No, you will never get all the guns off the street. But you can make it MUCH harder to procure bullets.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:44 pmThis horrible incident points out that all college students should be proficient in the use of the Five-Point-Palm Exploding Heart Technique.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:45 pmYes, that what we need to lower gun violence binge drinking college students with concealed weapons.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:45 pmThe same tragedy could have come about by some nut taking the wheel of a bus or by arson. So I propose everyone gets one hand on the wheel and everyone should carry a flame retardant suit and a flame thrower.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:46 pmre #98
he could have used a car in a 4th floor classroom?
how safe do you feel around the 19 yos packing guns like that? really. wouldn’t you feel safer if they weren’t?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:46 pmwhy is she smirking and smiling in the presser?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:46 pmBob are you talking to your self again ?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:46 pmann,
you don’t get out much, eh? tell me, at what age can an American join the military? oh that is right, 18, and I take it you think that our 18 year olds in the military use rocks to defend themselves in battle, eh?
good grieft, you are right! so much ignorance……
April 18th, 2007 at 3:47 pmOkay, guns in school. But why stop there. We start with arming all the students in the right-wing, Christo-fascist schools and colleges first; then move to all the congregations attending right-wing, Christo-fascist “born again” churches; then to every delegate attending the Republican National Convention. Then announce over their respective loudspeakers that a “liberal who might be a foreigner” was seen in the building, sit back, and watch the fireworks. We may be able to elect a veto-proof Democratic congress sooner than we think!
April 18th, 2007 at 3:47 pmI make no claim to know any solutions but I find it alarming that this young man was so disturbed in his behavior that an instructor referred and reported him to campus counseling services and to the police, who could do nothing, but he legally was able to get guns at two locations regardless.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:48 pmre#106
I thought I was talking to hacker bob, maybe it’s just the voices in my head…
ps freemen aren’t free, just ask jeff gannon
April 18th, 2007 at 3:50 pmIsn’t this nice…
Patrick1, on another thread, just implied that the passengers on the other 3 hijacked jets from 9/11, were cowards!
How does that make you feel, exley?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:51 pmYou’re partner in crime dissing the victims of that fateful day!
Britain has one of the toughest gun control laws in the world…..do criminals in Britain not use guns anymore?
Japan also has stiff gun control laws, the mayor of Tokyo was gunned down two days ago….guess the gun control laws didn’t work on those darn, “law abiding” criminals, eh?
please, gun control laws do nothing for society. Criminals will always find a way to get guns regardless how many laws we have outlawing them….
i think someone already wrote this, what we need to do is find the reason why people kill and try to fix that problem, not place more federal and government regulations on people.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:51 pmWe’d do better to address the societal issues that lead unstable people to act on their delusions.
Comment by RantingTommy — April 18, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
WOW, there is a novel concept.
how safe do you feel around the 19 yos packing guns like that? really. wouldn’t you feel safer if they weren’t?
Comment by bob (not the hacker) — April 18, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
Actually, I feel safer with my 19 y/o’s than I do with most city cops. Really, I do.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:52 pmHere is a thought instead of giving everyone on campus the right to carry a gun on them allow only staff to carry guns or keep one in a safe in their room.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:52 pmDRxJ, I am not responsible for anyone comments but mine. I am hardly Patrick1’s or anyone else’s “partner in crime.”
Where did he make these comments? Sounds pretty offensive, but I’d like to see for my self.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:54 pmWhy would the government let kids carry guns to schools when they can send them off to other countries, to kill foreign kids in their schools.
I feel pity for people that think gun bans will protect you. Has nothing been learned? The first thing tyrannies do is disarm the population and promise you safely. Safety is THE lie out of all the lies. Government cannot protect you.
Now watch them link this to terrorism to take away even more rights and people will buy into it like fools, just like after 9/11.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:55 pm#29 The maniac didn’t use automatic weapons. He used very small caliber handguns with minimal range and accuracy. It is fun to watch this crowd equate “semi” automatic to automatic weapons. There is a VERY big difference.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:59 pmBanning guns would be great. It’s just not possible. Banning guns would get the same result as banning drugs: there would be just as many guns, but now there would also be a criminal industry supplying those guns.
We’d do better to address the societal issues that lead unstable people to act on their delusions.
Comment by RantingTommy — April 18, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
No, you will never get all the guns off the street. But you can make it MUCH harder to procure bullets.
That strategy has not slowed down drug consumption. Why would it work better for guns?
April 18th, 2007 at 4:00 pmre # 113
Who are your 19 yos? gangbangers or army recruits, or some other demographic?
re# 114,
how will a safe in the classroom help? the wacko comes into the room shoots the teacher before he/she can open the safe, then MSNBC et al spend the next few days talking to experts who belittle the dead teacher, while the right wing smearmongers on the radio and internet, and faux news make fun of the “dead liberal”. a better idea would be to have secert trap doors installed so teachers can send the gun toting idiots down shutes to shark filled tanks…
April 18th, 2007 at 4:01 pmComment by Exley — April 18, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
On the thread, 2 down from here, Patrick1inch is calling the victims of the VT shooting cowards for not jumping him. He compares their non actions to the actions of the heroes of flight 93, thus concluding that the non actions of the passengers on the other 3 hijacked planes were cowards
As far as your concern, you always jump up and pipe in when you feel disrespected by 9/11 comments here. I’m just wondering why you are being absently silent on this
and dammit, the Tigers lost in 10 today
April 18th, 2007 at 4:02 pmBTW, he could have jsut as easily bought himself 3-4 hunting rifles with extended clips and very large caliber and killed even more. How in the world are you going to stop that? These are the same weapons used by tens of millions of Americans to hunt. Are you advocating taking away the right to buy guns for law abiding citizens so only criminals have them?
April 18th, 2007 at 4:02 pmWho are your 19 yos? gangbangers or army recruits, or some other demographic?
Actually, Marines.
They are of the same age/demographic as the students in most colleges. They can be trusted to make good decisions, as can the majority of college students. You really do not give the youth of America much credit.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:05 pmThere is a VERY big difference.
Comment by Roger_Roger — April 18, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
Yeah, tell that to the victim’s family! “Sorry, your son was shot by a fairly small caliber semi automatic, that could only use 30 rounds per clip before reloading”
Nice sympathy, Debate_Dodger
April 18th, 2007 at 4:05 pm31, but he could have used a car instead. Comment by hacker bob
Hard to get a car through the dorm front door or the classroom door. Thanks for supporting my position that, without such easy access to a gun, this could not have happened.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:09 pmThese are the same weapons used by tens of millions of Americans to hunt. Are you advocating taking away the right to buy guns
Comment by Roger_Rogerless — April 18, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
Yeah, like in Canada, which has a very strict gun law, but yet one can easily get a rifle for hunting.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:09 pmOh yeah, what’s the murder rate in Canada for gun crimes compared to the USA? or better yet, instead of the USA, just compare the city of Detroit
google and have fun!
Give all the kids guns, make it a requirement…
April 18th, 2007 at 4:10 pmAll these right wing, wanna be tough guys (Malkin included as she kinda looks like a dude) think the answer is to cowboy up and go John McClain in an situation like the one at V Tech have to be the most stupid, arrogant, idiots walking the face of this planet!
Some asshole kicks in the door and starts blasting the first thing any of those pricks would have done would’ve been the first thing all those students which is HIT THE F*CKING DECK! This was a hideous and horrible tragedy, but if it ever happens again I just hope something like this happens at every place everyone of these jackasses work.
That way we have one of two great outcomes… They either eat a bullet in the middle of their Die Hard impressions, catching one in the noodle before they can finish yelling “Yippe Kiyae Mother…” *POW* SPLAT!!! Or, more likely and satisfying, a few hours later when they’re rescued and walk out in front of the cameras we can see the big wet spots in the front of the pants where they pissed themselves while they were curled up in a fetal ball, cowering beneath their desks.
Loud mouth pussies.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:10 pmIt is disgusting for the Reich Wingnuts to blame the victims.
Immoral and disgusting. Repukes are disgusting.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:11 pmDRxJ,
I was “silent” because I didn’t see the comments. I will go check them out.
Sorry about your Tigers. You are still in first-place though.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:12 pmActually hacker bob,
I teach English at a college. My students are great, and there are a few I would trust with guns in school (many are former service men and women), but there are others that I don’t trust to tie their shoes in the morning. the 19 yos you have get a lot of training with weapons. would you trust recruits right off the bus with those same weapons?
April 18th, 2007 at 4:13 pmIf any of you think that there aren’t guns in schools on a daily basis NOW, you are truly naive. I went to an inner-city school in Cincinatti, and there were guns (even with metal detectors) available if you knew where to go. Stop taking the rights of teachers to discipline students, administrators to expell a trouble maker without getting sued and fired, and hold people accountable for their actions, rather than saying that they were “The victim”, and then we’ll talk.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:13 pmBritain has one of the toughest gun control laws in the world…..do criminals in Britain not use guns anymore?
Japan also has stiff gun control laws, the mayor of Tokyo was gunned down two days ago….guess the gun control laws didn’t work on those darn, “law abiding†criminals, eh?
please, gun control laws do nothing for society. Criminals will always find a way to get guns regardless how many laws we have outlawing them….
i think someone already wrote this, what we need to do is find the reason why people kill and try to fix that problem, not place more federal and government regulations on people.
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
It was the Mayor of Nagasaki. Let’s put this in perspective. In America, there is an average of 32 people killed every DAY by guns (ironic). Every day. How many people are killed by guns in a year in those other 2 countries? Look it up.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:13 pmback in the 1970s the Palestinian terrorists started attacking schools and universities in Israel. Israel armed professors and created especial parent patrols and the Palestinian terrorist were driven out of schools and universities.
banning guns will do nothing to make anyone safer. Ohboy said it well, taking guns away from the population is a great tactic to once again make citizens over reliable on government.
did we learn nothing from Katrina? you can’t count on government to keep us safe!
April 18th, 2007 at 4:13 pmThat Cho asshole should have just signed up for the military.
Then he could have gone to Iraq and shot all the people he wanted.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:14 pmTom3,
well liberal professors in college campus around the USA have blamed 9/11 on the 3,000 victims that died on this horrific day……are they also part of what you call Reich Wingnuts…..
April 18th, 2007 at 4:15 pmnully
“did we learn nothing from Katrina? you can’t count on government to keep us safe!”
We learned we can’t trust republicans to run the government.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:16 pmCan anyone point out a school shooting that was done with an illegal gun? Can’t seem to find one here
April 18th, 2007 at 4:18 pmHacker Bob,
I have to go, but thanks for the converstation. You get the last word here.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:19 pmUnited States v. Rybar, where he opined in that a U.S. law banning private citizens from owning submachine guns was outside the authority of Congress.
Comment by Angry One #31
…perhaps he’ll get lucky…
…and experience the fruits of his ruling…
…first hand…
April 18th, 2007 at 4:19 pmBuckaroo…
sorry, Nagasaki, not Tokyo…..doesn’t change the fact…
also, from where do you get that 32 people die a day in America from gun violence? source please….
according to your 32 a day thing 11, 680 people die a year in America from gun violence…..
hmmm…..that is almost 4 times more people than American soldiers have died in Iraq in 4 years…..how come there aren’t huge liberal marches against guns?
April 18th, 2007 at 4:20 pmComment by bob (not the hacker) — April 18, 2007 @ 4:19 pm
Actually, you did, but we can pick it up another time.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:21 pmactually in Wilmette, Illinois, the city of Wilmette took legal action against a father for defending himself with a shot gun from an home invader….wilmette bans all guns..
the city of wilmette lost on the grounds that it was violating the 2nd amendment rights of this individuals…
let us not forget that recently in a DC court gun control laws were ruled unConstitutional……..
hey, i am all for background checks, no felons should be allowed to buy guns, waiting period, database of those that have bought guns, what kind, etc, etc…….what I am against is for the government forcing me to rely on it to defend myself.
After Katrina, 9/11, and so many other incidents in which the government has failed so miserably to protect Americans, we need the 2nd Amendment.
and once again, no one has guaranteed me that criminals will abide by the gun control laws…..
do any one of you anti-gun people honestly believe that criminals will abide by gun control laws? please…..it is not fear, it is reality.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:25 pm#5 RR - don’t you know that guns don’t kill people? It’s people that kill people so giving more guns to people isn’t going to stop people from killing people.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:27 pmLaw abiding people BECOME criminals after they attack someone with a gun. So criminals were once law abiding people. It was only after they used their gun to mame or kill someone that they became criminals. Before that, just another good law abiding person permitted to purchase a gun.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:30 pmbob (not the hacker),
sorry guy, the local and state government were in control of the Democrats….so please, don’t start with the partisan crap. Sadly enough BOTH parties failed, all of government failed us.
what we learned from Katrina is that government, regardless which party is in power will not help you out.
Don’t forget that Lousiana (State) and New Orleans (city) have been in Democrat control for over 6 decades. New Orleans is worst than a 3 world nation, it is a city which has been under Democrat control since before the 1960s. New Orleans outside of the French Quarter before Katrian was worst than a 3 world nation. This is what awaits America if Democrats implement their corrupt ways through out the USA.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:32 pmONE college professor said that, you ignorant troll.
At least three Reich Wingnuts in the media, including Malkin, are blaming the victims for this.
And several trolls in here are agreeing with them.
Reich Wingnuts are the problem and the 2008 elections are the solution.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:36 pm“How many lives would have been saved had one brave student had a gun?
Comment by Patrick1 — April 18, 2007 @ 2:46 pm”
Or, really, because your scenario is ridiculous, how many MORE would have been killed when freaked out students started randomly shooting back?
A cop once told me that even trained police officers aren’t very good at hitting their targets considering how much adrenalin does to impact one’s firing ability.
As a teacher - I’d rather take my chances in a room with one gun than with 20.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:38 pmOnly an ignorant Reichwingnut Troll would paint the Dems with a broad brush.
That is because Democrats are all different. We’re not goosestepping Borg drones spewing talking point lies like you Repukes are.
As for New Orleans, it was officially under FEMA control so it is 100% Chimpy’s fault. Blaming the city or state is an error of fact.
STupid Repuke Trolls. Go back under your bridge.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:38 pmBanning firearms violates my 2nd & 4th Amendment Rights. Individuals that commit crimes with guns do not obey laws so gun bans simply disarm victims!
April 18th, 2007 at 4:39 pmnully,
April 18th, 2007 at 4:39 pm“how about if a student at VT carried a gun….wouldn’t he/she been able to kill the crazed fool before he killed up to 31 people?”
As others have pointed out, what happens when someone sees the person trying to stop the gunman? If you’re honest with yourself, you’ll realize it’s a likely scenario that someone might start firing at the would-be hero, and someone else could start firing at him/her….etc. We’re not talking about a situation where people will calmly look around to assess the situation and make a logical decision as to who the bad guy is, we’re talking about chaos.
And in post #59, you really missed the mark. (Oh geez, not another gun pun) You’re assuming that liberals want to do away with guns, which isn’t generally true. Most liberals want tougher controls. You stated “please, all that gun control laws do is take away the guns from law abiding citizens” then went on to say “There needs to be some type of gun control, i mean we don’t need sub-machine guns, but to outlaw guns completly, please.” The latter is what most liberals agree with. More controls, not outlawing guns.
Lastly, in post #112 you said, “please, gun control laws do nothing for society. Criminals will always find a way to get guns regardless how many laws we have outlawing them….” Question: Was Cho Seung-Hui a criminal who would have found a way around tougher gun control laws, or was he a citizen who found it easy to purchase a gun under current laws?
Tom3,
one college professor said that? so you believe that only one college professor said that because the media told you that only one college professor said that, right?
why don’t you go back to your room, and do some research on your own child. You will be shocked to find that countless liberals professors aroudn the United States have said this…duh, duh, duh…
I am sure that you are also not aware that Nazis in Germany, England, France, and most of Europe now wear El Che t-shirts……. shows the level of ignorance so prevelent in the world’s youth.
please, please go get an education before you keep on posting.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:39 pmAfter 6 years of Chimpy, I wholeheartedly support the 2nd Amendment.
We Liberals are going to need guns to protect ourselves from Chimpy and his Repuke thugs when Chimpy declares martial law.
They’re not dragging me off to the Halliburton Soap Factory and Detention Camp.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:41 pmnully, you’re a repuke troll. you have nothing to say.
i bet this stupid troll blames the victims in the virginia shooting.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:42 pmnull - the third world USA is brought to you by the 109th Congress, controlled by Republicans and the 6 years of boy Bush WH, both of which have contributed to huge deficits and the outsourcing of good paying jobs, another form of welfare, only it is Republican approved welfare because it is welfare for corporations.
I’m surprised that anyone would admit to being a Republican… the party that supports traitors that expose a CIA agent and spying on Americans and torture and trashing the US Constitution and are weak on national security and justify invading sovereign nations to steal their oil and sends our military off to die in a war based on lies.
Republican Party, the party of SHAME.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:44 pm“I would always prefer running to making a bad situation worse by joining in and shooting.
Comment by doro — April 18, 2007 @ 2:51 pm”
My conservative father was, surprise, surprise a gun-nut.
One thing he did do right was to educate us - habitually - on the dangers of guns. I realize now that educated gun-ownership was exactly what the Second Amendment to the US Constitution is all about… Not about handing someone one a weapon and saying ‘have at it’. We teach people how to drive before they can legally operate a car… Why would a couple of tons of accelerating metal be more regulared than a bullet? In uneducated hands, they are both deadly…
April 18th, 2007 at 4:45 pmTom3,
are you this stupid? FEMA didn’t take control of New Orleans until a week or more after Katrina went through it, duh, duh, duh……
Democrats controlled New Orleans, have controlled New Orleans long before Katrina hit, why is it that New Orleans is worst than a 3rd world nation? have you traveled there? do you know the level of corruption that has existed in New Orleans? of course not.
your poor fool. Tom3, you are a joke my friend.
New Orleans was a Dumbcrat control city when Katrina hit. Do tell, why didn’t the governor of Louisiana (a Democrat) order the Mayor of New Orleans (a Democrat) for the city to be evacuated? Why didn’t the Mayor use the thousands of buses around the city to evacuate the city?
get a clue and an education and then someone might start taking you seriously little one.
In the mean time everything you type is based on the logic and education of a two year old infant.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:46 pmback in the 1970s the Palestinian terrorists started attacking schools and universities in Israel. Israel armed professors and created especial parent patrols and the Palestinian terrorist were driven out of schools and universities.
When terrorist attacks on universities become commonplace in the US, then measures will undoubtedly be taken to secure campuses appropriately.
As long as the danger is limited to singular nutcases on personal vendettas, the threat remains miniscule in this nation today.
banning guns will do nothing to make anyone safer. Ohboy said it well, taking guns away from the population is a great tactic to once again make citizens over reliable on government.
But giving them more guns WILL make them safer? Oh, okay. I understand. It’s the “peace through superior firepower” philosophy, right? How’s that working out in Iraq right now?
did we learn nothing from Katrina? you can’t count on government to keep us safe!
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
We’ve certainly learned we can’t count on Republican government to do much of anything to serve the people.
I love how Republicans say “Government ISN’T the answer” and then they take control of government and do everything in their power to make that statement come true. Why would anyone want someone who believes government is the problem, in control of government? Thankfully, because of today’s Republicans, we may not have that worry for a while.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:46 pmi bet the troll can’t come up with any list of college professors who blame the victims of 9-11. that’s because there isn’t any.
But there is already a list of Reich Wingnuts who are blaming the victims for the Virginia Tech tragedy.
Repukes are scum.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:47 pmnully is another dumbass repuke puking up talking point lies.
not worth reading.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:48 pmCoffins…
really? how about New Orleans in the 1980s, when Democrats controlled Congress? or early 1990s when Democrats controlled Congress? or in the 1970s, 60s, when Democrats controlled congress, New Orleans was back then like a 3rd world nation.
and New Orleans has been under Democrat control since before the 1960s.
New Orleans is the Democrats paradise. Every law that a Democrat supports and dreams of have passed in New Orleans, why is it a sh….t hole? why? it is a Democrats “paradise”.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:48 pmKrank,
i would urge to do some research….cities that have relax gun laws have less crime, murder, etc, etc then cities that have strict and super harsh gun control laws.
please do the research…….statistics speak against what you just said.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:50 pmnully is a real troll, isn’t he?
the democrats can do no right and the repukes can do no wrong.\
what an idiot.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:50 pm“Comment by JesusIs Gay — April 18, 2007 @ 3:05 pm”
Daryll should be happy to hear that (that Jesus is the g-word… :)