Conservatives Take Aim At Bush-Backed Gun Law
Conservatives Take Aim At Bush-Backed Gun Law
In the wake of the Virginia Tech massacre, many conservatives have suggested that the shooting spree highlights the need for more guns in schools. Specifically, there has been a call by some on the right for “an immediate end” to the Gun Free School Zones Act, which prohibits the possession of a firearm in a school zone.
Michelle Malkin: “Enough is enough, indeed. Enough of intellectual disarmament. Enough of physical disarmament. You want a safer campus? It begins with renewing a culture of self-defense — mind, spirit and body. It begins with two words: Fight back.“
Earlier this week, Fox News’ John Gibson and Andrew Napolitano suggested that Virginia had dropped the ball by not allowing students to carry guns on campus:
GIBSON: So, theoretically, in this lecture hall where all 31 were killed, there could have been someone with a carry permit carrying their gun to shoot the shooter?
NAPOLITANO: No, because the same people that just dropped the ball, as Bo just described, that allowed 32 additional people to die, also said: “Virginia lets you carry a gun at a gas station or a bank or a stadium, but not on a college campus, where you may protect kids.”
At today’s White House press briefing, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino temporarily quieted the critics, reminding them, “As governor [of Texas], he supported weapons-free school zones.” Watch it:
In the 2000 presidential debates, Bush said, “[Gore] says we ought to have gun-free schools. Everybody believes that. I’m sure every state in the union’s got them. You can’t carry a gun into a school.”
Transcript:
QUESTION: What does the president think of the gun control rule which prohibited guns on the campus of Virginia Tech?
PERINO: I haven’t spoken to him about that specifically. I do know, as governor, he supported weapons-free school zones.
QUESTION: He supported…
PERINO: When he was governor of Texas, yes.
QUESTION: And he thinks that this was effective at Virginia Tech?
PERINO: I’m not going to comment about that.
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i said this was going to happen. The bodies weren’t even warm before the wingnuts started spewing this shit. now the mighty wurlitzer is in full swing.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:36 pmSo the Right is for allowing guns in inner city and suburban high schools too? Great idea. Good luck with that.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:36 pmOh, right Malkin, your suggestion makes me feel sooooooooo safe as a mother. I can send my kids off to school with their six shooter and wonder if today will be a repeat of the OK CORRAL. Malkin is a stupid, really stupid, woman.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:40 pmWhat a bunch of stupid fu*ks. The answer isn’t more guns. Jesus friggin’ Christ, I am even a gun owner and I knwo that people like Patrick1 shouldn’t be allowed to have a gun, let a lone more of them.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:42 pmThis phrase “you can’t carry guns into schools” is laughable and a lie. The shooter certainly carried 2 into a school. The only thing these laws do is force the law abiding students to go to school defenseless. Anyone wishing to break this law can do it easily as proven. These laws need to change so our sons and daughters can fight back when maniacs wish them harm. Currently our government creates an unsafe environment and goes further by not allowing Americans to protect themselves. They have basically set up a firing range for maniacs where their prey doesn’t stand a chance.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:43 pmmore guns more guns! yah, that’s the answer…fools
April 18th, 2007 at 2:43 pmWow, do ya think I could wear my guns and cowboy hat to school and tame those bad guys? Ya Whoooo!
April 18th, 2007 at 2:43 pmAnd it’s always those in favor of arming everyone, who say that “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” who are against any sort of public funding for addressing the reasons why people commit violent crimes.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:44 pmLet’s just issue a rapid fire weapon to every citizen (man, woman and child) and make it legal to just go out blast away if you feel threatened by anyone or anything. After most of the population murders each other it should be easy get a handle on this violence problem.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:45 pmJust to put it into perspective: these people voted twice for The Worst President Everâ„¢.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:45 pmSo Roger squared – should the students carry their guns in their backpacks? Should they all walk around with gun holsters like in the days of the ‘wild west’?
April 18th, 2007 at 2:46 pmObviously a room full of unarmed college students didnt’ go very well. How many lives would have been saved had one brave student had a gun?
April 18th, 2007 at 2:46 pmBy their argument, we should also allow them to have assault rifles to combat people who could theoretically bring in assault rifles, right?
Sniper rifles to take out snipers?
Bombs to take out bombers?
How can they not see their logic is completely contrary to logic?
April 18th, 2007 at 2:46 pmSo roger_roger, say you see two people with a guns pointed at each other, who are you going to shoot? Say you decide and pull your piece of manhood out and take aim at the “badguy”: what will stop another hero from shooting you? (I forget where i read this scenario yesterday)
April 18th, 2007 at 2:47 pmIsn’t this what the Iraqi insurgency is doing??
Why do conservatives hate our soldiers?
April 18th, 2007 at 2:47 pmYou bet, R2, that’s exactly what keeps a school safe — crossfire!
April 18th, 2007 at 2:47 pmMore guns will lead to more deaths. Brilliant. Another conservative policy waiting to fail. You’d think these guys would get ONE right before proposing more idiotic policies.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:48 pm“They have basically set up a firing range for maniacs where their prey doesn’t stand a chance”
roger_roger
an accurate description of Iraq right about now. and we have 150,000 plus troops and hired guns there trying to keep a lid on the violence, how is that working out?
April 18th, 2007 at 2:49 pmYeah….add guns to school.
That’s smart. At least until a classroom argument gets heated enough that someone decides to draw a gun, just because they have it.
Or when drunken college students get rowdy enough at a party, and decide to draw out the old nine-iron to show off.
THAT’S real genius in school safety.
Yes, this would have happened either way, laxer control laws or stricter control laws. But the idea that things would be safer overall with easier access to guns in schools is retarded on its face.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:49 pm#5, then how do you account for this kind of violence being the forte of Americans? Why is it that you don’t see this kind of violence in other developed countries? Brilliant, arm everyone. That’s a great answer. So every American that feels the slightest threat will be drawing pistols and firing away?
April 18th, 2007 at 2:50 pm“Gun’s don’t kill people, people kill people. But I think the guns help, I mean… walking up to someone and saying bang doens’t seem to do as much damage.”
April 18th, 2007 at 2:50 pm- Eddie Izzard
This is so shameful.
Trip Master Monkey, this is what you advocate for?
April 18th, 2007 at 2:51 pmHow many would perish in “friendly fire”?
Shooting is easy. Hitting a target is not. Hitting a target in such a commotion is next to impossible and requires a coldbloodedness that special police forces only acquire by very hard training.
If I imagine a school with gun carrying pupils, my blood turns cold. I wouldn’t have my children there.
Now, before any of the trolls here, tells me I have no idea what I am talking about. I’m a competition shooter and my targets are 50 m away. My targets are made of paper and don’t move, and my targets are definitely not shooting back at me. And still I never made 100 points and most probably never will. I would always prefer running to making a bad situation worse by joining in and shooting.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:51 pmMaybe Malkin will pack her two kids lunch and a 22 caliber in thier backpack. “Here you go honey I made PB&J and there is a clip of bullets in here as well. You never know what will happen on the playground today.”
April 18th, 2007 at 2:52 pm#12: One student DID have a gun. That’s was the cause of the entire massacre. Dumba$$.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:52 pmOk, yes it makes perfect sense to me. Arm a bunch of 18-22 year old college males. Then when the beer parties start, the drunkeness begins and the uber alpha male testoterone kicks in — woo hoo – shoot out at the OK Corral!!!!!! YEEEEHAWWWW!!!! Never mind that, God forbid, another radom and inexplicable act like Monday occurs and dozens of people are firing at one another at about the time the SWAT and police units storm in, and, let’s see, hows does the police and SWAT personnel know who to use deadly force on — eenie, meenie, miney moe ???? Do these people have any ability to analyze any issue? Irretrievably stupid.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:52 pmHow many lives would have been saved had one brave student had a gun?
And how many more would have been LOST if two or three people were slinging bullets instead of one? You forget that bullets don’t know the difference between a “good guy” and a “bad guy”.
So instead of a “heroic rescue”, you get the classic “killing box” and instead of mourning 32 dead we’d be mourning 40 or 50+.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:53 pmGreat Idea Michelle. Lets let all those kids bring guns and knives to school, some of those throwing stars the ninja use. Let’s let everyone have a gun and we can start having duels on the playgrounds and in the libraries! We can shoot each other on the highways biways and the straightaways, lets let prisoners have guns as well, lets recreate the old west. Why if we have guns in schools we should have bars at schools!
Just think of it, we could take guns to work, to school, to bars, on the planes, on the trains, the buses and in our SUV’s!
Why we could create a “Going Postal” society!!
Oddly Michelle runs from a guy asking for a signature on a picture during CPAC, if only she would have had a gun!
April 18th, 2007 at 2:54 pmI’m thinking that with all of the students armed, armored vests will become quite chic! Might want to add a helmet while you’re at it. Maybe they can all buy ammo at the school co-op! School orientations should include target practice!
Might make for some interesting football games too!
April 18th, 2007 at 2:54 pmComment by Roger_Roger Debate_Dodger — April 18, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
since your post deals in the hypothetical, I’ll one up ya!
Had there actually been a strict gun control law, that would have prevented anyone from attaining automatic handguns, then Cho would have taken his aggression on students using….what?
April 18th, 2007 at 2:55 pmA knife?
A bayonet?
A tap from a keg?
guess what, in all three cases, he would have been easily stopped before piling up such a body count
Now, you live in your hypothetical ideology where the wild wild west returns, and I’ll live in mine, where gun control actually works!
mmmmmmmmmmmmm…let me think about this for a second, drunk college kids and handguns. I like it!!!
April 18th, 2007 at 2:55 pmThank God Samuel Alito is on the Supreme Court.
Both his judicial activism and shockingly narrow view of the Commerce Clause are on display in United States v. Rybar, where he opined in that a U.S. law banning private citizens from owning submachine guns was outside the authority of Congress.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:57 pmSo, is Vegas putting up odds yet on when the first Professor gets killed in class by an irate student?
Or when rival gangs open up on each other in the lecture hall?
Shall we return to the days of the Wild West and encourage all citizens to “shoot first and ask questions later”?
If you feel you must walk around carrying a gun to be safe, you are living in fear.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:58 pmYou guys don’t get it, do ya. This is BUSH America, every man for himself. But,well of course you can belong to a gang/clan.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:58 pmMaybe us good guys should wear brown shirts so we can recognize each other.
Ironically I didn’t hear the gun nuts ask to repeal this gun act after the home schooled fundamental Christian went wacko and killed those school children (quaker) when he was angry at God.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:58 pmKeg Party + Firearms = Increased Safety
Duh
April 18th, 2007 at 2:59 pmIt’s a brilliant idea. Allow guns in schools and colleges and nobody will want to go there and our armed forces recruitment problem will be solved. Where else are these uneducated slobs going to get a good job?
All education does is make people more liberal and progressive anyway. This way you kill two birds with one stone.
Brilliant.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:59 pmHey “Milkball Malkin” should read what Tim a VTech student had to write as part on Bob Ceseca’s post on the Huffington Post today.
April 18th, 2007 at 2:59 pmOne element of this line of right-wing “thought” (read: reflex) that is so absurd is that they seem to think that the people who decided to ban guns on a college campus must have completely overlooked the possibility that a single, disturbed individual could get himself a gun and wreak terrible destruction on innocents.
You people are clearly idiots.
Everyone knows events like this are always possible, but thankfully very infrequent. You, as usual, want to legislate for the extreme. It’s called “knee-jerk” although we could lose the “knee” part and it would be just as applicable.
I can usually read wingnuts posts as amusing in their delusion or obliviousness, but this tack is just apalling.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:00 pmSomething I’ve NEVER heard anyone talk about in this argument. Let’s not ban guns. In fact, let everyone carry one. 2nd Amendment protects that freedom, blah, blah, blah. Here’s your control: OUTLAW THE PRODUCTION OF AMMO FOR CIVILIAN USE. Guns don’t work very well with no bullets. Constitution does not give right to ammo.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:01 pm“Keg Party + Firearms = Increased Safety”
especially for the ladies!
April 18th, 2007 at 3:02 pmShall we return to the days of the Wild West and encourage all citizens to “shoot first and ask questions later�
we’re already there. How many states have passed or are considering so called “no retreat” laws?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:02 pmWhat does Dana think about allowing guns at press briefings ? (sarcasm).
April 18th, 2007 at 3:02 pmPatrick and Roger_Roger,
Let’s dive into your idea for minute. We should not laugh you out of the room with not having at least the possibility right?
Small hypothetical to illustrate what could happen in your utopic vision of an armed high school. The hypothetical shouldn’t be all that whacky considering the majority of it will come from experiences that we have all watched play out on our evening news.
Two gumen come in to a school armed with two handguns each, and plenty of extra magazines/ammo. They walk into a full cafeteria and start firing. Those students who are “packing heat” whip their guns and begin laying down some fire. Chaos ensues. People who shouldn’t be getting shot will surely be shot. If the students were lucky maybe they take out the perps with ease. If not, then the bullets keep flying.
Now enter the police. They might find maybe 10 people firing at one another. WHO WILL THEY SHOOT!?!?!?!?!?
I have kids that go to school, believe me when this stuff happens it terrifies me to drop them off. But I really think that arming everyone, would have make no difference in the long run.
And to those that think taking guns away will make any difference, think again. Guns aren’t going anywhere.
We as a society have to start trying to answer the question of these disturbed people do these things. Now it possible that some are plain crazy. But I don’t buy that. Jeffrey Dahmer was plain crazy. I think that is different.
This is a crime of self loathing. If there were more guns, it might have been stopped earlier. But it might also have been worse.
We have to start thinking about this the right way.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:02 pmHey, where is my post — it had to do with college males, drunkeness, guns, shooting, police, SWAT units, not knowing who to use deadly force on when dozens of guns are drawn, and people who are irretrivably stupid.
I promise it was a bit amusing and sarcastic.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:03 pmGood idea, Buckaroo Bonzai!
April 18th, 2007 at 3:05 pmI think everyone should be packing a .45, christ we’ll solve so many problems in a short time, we all know the way to lower violent crimes is to just have everyone carrying a gun. I mean look how well it’s gone so far.
It really should go back to the old west days, someone you don’t like, just friggen shoot em. Cut you off in traffic, just friggen shoot em. Get a little drunk at a bar and catch some guy looking at your girlfriend, just shoot em. We know the bible really only needs one commandment
“Just friggen shoot em”
We won’t even need police any more, look at all the taxes we can save. Got a problem, big or small, forget judge judy… Just friggen shoot em.
/sarcasm off
On a serious note, I am not anti gun, I think we do need them for home protection, and protection from our govt. But giving pimple faced kids guns on campus will just cause problems after a friday of beer bongs.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:05 pmThe state must not allow a youngster to walk in a gun store & buy weapons by simply using a credit card….then go and use it against innocent people,whether in school or somewhere else..
It is the responsibility of lawmakers to prevent this from happening again.
Just to come and have prayers is not enough.
I keep hearing politicians saying:”Our job is to protect the American people”. !!!!
April 18th, 2007 at 3:07 pmThis will be a nice homework for politicians who make the claim.
Wonder how the Mayor of Nagasaki feels about strict liberal gun control? We could ask him but he was shot and killed Monday.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:08 pmComment by Jeff — April 18, 2007 @ 2:50 pm
You win, if only for pulling out Eddie Izzard.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:09 pmIf you feel you must walk around carrying a gun to be safe, you are living in fear.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
E.X.A.C.T.L.Y.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:09 pmThinkProgress and Larry Pratt have misread the Gun Free School Zones Act. That statute applies to primary and secondary schools.
Sec. 1702 “The term `school’ means a school which provides elementary or secondary education, as determined under State law.”
It does not apply to colleges and universities. The Gun Free School Zones Act is irrelevant to a discussion of the Virginia Tech massacre and Virginia Tech’s internal gun prohibition policy.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:11 pmBased on this logic, we should all be allowed to carry guns to a Presidential public conference! If we cannot carry guns to a Presidential public conference, then the President is just wanting average Americans to be defensless should anyone start shooting at people!
Pres. Bush hates everyone that goes to any of his public appearances because they are not allowed to carry guns to protect themselves from criminals that have guns!
Pres. Bush hates US citisens!
/sarcasm
April 18th, 2007 at 3:11 pmPeople are right when they say guns don’t kill people. Bullets do. Ban the manufacture of bullets.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:11 pmAll education does is make people more liberal and progressive anyway. This way you kill two birds with one stone.
Brilliant.
Comment by Abby
Apparently it created a wacko right nut gun lover who thought killing people is the cure to every problem.
Just like destroying Iraq and killing some 600,000 people that suffered under Saddam freed them and cured the problem of a Brutal dictator. BTW did you know that this “Freedom Operation” has killed more than double what Saddam did during 23 years of rule? And will cost the taxpayers some 1-2 trillion before it’s all said and done?
Might is RIght works every time!!
April 18th, 2007 at 3:12 pmComment by Crump’s Brother — April 18, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
CB, thanks as always for taking the time to formulate clear thinking into cogent prose.
Unfortunately, I’m pretty sure your effort will make little if any impact on R2 or P-zero.
What you wrote, however, did make me think about a hypothetical arms race in these high schools, as the malcontents realize that, in order to make an impact, they’re have to seek out bigger and more powerful weapons than the other kids have.
The miniscule percentage of kids driven to take such action is not going to be deterred by other kids being armed; he doesn’t care if he dies — he’s looking forward to it, it seems. He’ll just have to make sure he’s packing enough heat to really punish his tormenters.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:13 pmSomeone needs to remind John Gibson and Andrew Napolitano that their line of “thought” means the kiddies would be bringing their weapons along with them on Fox News studio tour field trips. Harharhar!!
April 18th, 2007 at 3:13 pmNot everyone should carry a gun as their are people that have a bad temple.
I live about 20 miles from Milwaukee and you see people get into arguement and then pull a gun out and they shoot them. That is one example. Like I said not everyone need to carry a gun.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:14 pmWe could ask him but he was shot and killed Monday.
Comment by Patrick1
Yeah, shot in the back twice. A brand new Uzi would have been very useful when you are shot that way.
Ok, forgive me, people for answering this stupid comment.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:14 pmoh my….
Liberals who claim to love and cherish our Constitution should be glad that Conservatives are for defending its 2nd Amendment, right?
please, all that gun control laws do is take away the guns from law abiding citizens….criminals will always have gun, stupid gun control laws will not prevent them from getting guns.
remember people, guns don’t kill people, people, criminals using guns kill people.
There needs to be some type of gun control, i mean we don’t need sub-machine guns, but to outlaw guns completly, please.
Britain has one of the harsh it gun controls law in the world, and criminals still find a way to use guns for murder, assaulting people, etc, etc….go figure, eh?
gun control laws will never stop an incident like VT, Colombine, etc, etc……
sh….t while we are it, lets ban knives since they can and have been used for murder, let’s ban cars, pools, rope, etc, etc, etc since they all have been used to murder people, right?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:14 pmIt’s the Reich Wingnuts that are the idiots who read the law wrong.
They should have actually read it before condemning it.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:15 pmIt will be fun when O´Reilly interviews Snoop Dog, both having guns.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:15 pm#21 — Eddie Izzard is hilarious. #48 — Knee jerk reaction much.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:16 pmAny politician who tells you that you need a gun to protect yourself…
he is in fact telling you..”we politicians & the system cannot protect you”…
If these politicians admit that they cannot protect you…then they need to resign and let someone else have better system and better ideas…
April 18th, 2007 at 3:16 pmYou misread the article Exley, it says that CONSERVATIVES and a call from the RIGHT want to do away with the act. It’s not TP that misread the law, it’s the gun nuts. And its the gun nuts that don’t know the difference between a school and a college and are pining about it.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:16 pmInteresting that this country makes it more difficult to get a license to drive than to own a gun.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:16 pmThinkProgress and Larry Pratt have misread the Gun Free School Zones Act. That statute applies to primary and secondary schools.
Comment by Exley — April 18, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
Thanks for picking that nit, Exley. It’s good to know that your compadres on this forum, like R2 and P-zero are only talking about arming college students. I wonder how they would propose to respond to Columbine?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:17 pmA sneak-peek inside the “Right-wing(aka Troll)” mind:
Kill kill kill . . . BLOOD . . . Kill kill . . . BLOODY BLOOD BLOOD . . . Kill, maim, harm . . . Not enough prayer in schools . . . Kill . . . Bloody blood . . . I need to masturbate again . . . Torture this, torture that . . . Liberals are evil . . . Kill kill . . . Evil liberal Stalinists . . . Boil all global warmers loons in hot Exxon-Mobile crude oil . . . Kill blood harm maim, boil burn HURT THEM, WE MUST HURT THEM LIKE WE HURT INSIDE . . . Kill the evil liberal Stalinist coward puke human rights wimps . . . Kill in the name of Jesus.
Kill.
Harm.
Hate.
Masturbate.
Repeat.
End: Inside the Right-wing mind.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:18 pmClearly the rightwing nuts want to carry more guns to arm themselves against rightwing nuts.
Liberals don’t carry guns…Hello.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:18 pmI am against more guns : but what happens when the good ‘ol USA becomes a police state and we have to defend ourselves.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:19 pmInteresting how Congress refuses to lift the ban on guns in the Capitol Builiding. Wouldn’t Republicans feel safer if they and other citizens inside the Capitol could carry guns. Even assault rifles.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:20 pmIf you criminalize gun ownership only criminals children will accidentally shoot themselves .
April 18th, 2007 at 3:20 pmZep, I said that both Larry Pratt, president of Gun Owners of America, and TP misunderstand the scope of the statute. It’s a silly comment by Pratt. The students at VT were not prohibited from carrying firearms by the Gun Free School Zones Act.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:22 pmThere’s always sharp rocks, fire-hardened wooden spears, and pitchforks……..
April 18th, 2007 at 3:22 pmIf Bush would’ve been there, he would have continued to read “My Pet Goat,” then after the massacre was over he’d take out his revenge by shooting a random student at the University of Virginia.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:22 pmI am against more guns : but what happens when the good ‘ol USA becomes a police state and we have to defend ourselves.
Comment by Kay — April 18, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
Unfortunately, you will be outgunned, no pun intented. Your Glock pistol will be no match for the firepower of a police state.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:23 pmWill Karl Rove start a smear campaign against Bush?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:23 pmInteresting that the same conservatives that home school their kids because they’re afraid of bad language and sex education want everybody to have guns in school. Why is that. Because they don’t send their kids to school anyway.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:23 pmhow about Katrina when our government failed us so badly…….local, state and federal level were no where to help anyone…..
do you think people should have the right to carry guns in situations like Katrina?
how about if a student at VT carried a gun….wouldn’t he/she been able to kill the crazed fool before he killed up to 31 people?
hey, we don’t need sub machine guns, but it would be nice to have guns to defend ourselves.
the way things are going and how crazy liberals are becoming, i love my guns. :)
well seriously now, how about Katrina…..under our Constitution, which Liberals claim to love and cherish so much each and everyone of us has the right to own a gun, why do liberals hate the Constitutiona so much?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:23 pmGreat point #70. Can’t have a gun in the Capital. Where’s the outrage? I mean Kucinich wouldn’t stand a chance if Hastert got testy.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:24 pmThis can’t possibly be a “for real” argument. I think it has to be a diversionary tactic on the part of these loony toons to get us to forget about Iraq.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:26 pmThe students at VT were not prohibited from carrying firearms by the Gun Free School Zones Act.
Comment by Exley
Your wasting your breath here Exley, you should be over at the rightwing wacko sites explaining that to them.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:27 pmhome schooled fundamental Christian went wacko and killed those school children (quaker) when he was angry at God.
Comment by Zep Tepi — April 18, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
We you see, if those Quaker children hadn’t been Quakers but fundamentalist Christians they could have taken their guns to school and protected themselves.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:28 pmI think the split on this issue is between people who believe in the ability of Americans to take care of themselves, believe that our people are basically capable and competent, and those that think we’re generally stupid, incompetent, and not worthy of the rights guaranteed to us under the constitution.
Having witnessed first hand the tragic events of 911, I do believe that most Americans are heroic, responsible, and will rise to the occasion of any crisis. I believe this, so long as our hands aren’t tied behind our backs, like the victims in V.A.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:28 pmIdiotic: give everyone a gun!?
Stupid stupid stupid! How about, full, through background investigations into anyone trying to buy a gun? Like New Jersey’s gun laws.
That would be prudent.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:29 pmAnd it’s always those in favor of arming everyone, who say that “guns don’t kill people, people kill people†who are against any sort of public funding for addressing the reasons why people commit violent crimes.
Comment by bob (not the hacker) — April 18, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
I am not in favor of arming everyone, but I am in favor of every ADULT being able to legally arm themselves. These “kids” were adults.
With that said
Guns don’t kill people, people kill people is a true statement. Let me give you a true to life example.
In 1996 I was stationed in Okinawa. Shortly before I arrived there, a young American male killed an Okinawa woman with the claw end of a hammer. Does that mean that we should ban hammers or have stricter restrictions on hammers? No. A hammer is a tool, as is a gun. It can be used for a good purpose (as in building a home) or a bad one. A gun can be used for protection, or for food. But it could also be use for evil things as well.
Keep things in perspective. Smith & Wesson did not kill these poor kids, Cho did.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:29 pmthe way things are going and how crazy liberals are becoming, i love my guns. :)
Yeh thats why all those anti-war types DO NOT carry guns and hold up peace signs and want the troops out of Iraq. Because they love guns and violence so much.
You guys sure are twisted in your hypocritical logic.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:30 pmKeep things in perspective. Smith & Wesson did not kill these poor kids, Cho did. Comment by hacker bob
Smith & Wesson just made it possible for him to kill 31 poor kids before he could be stopped. How many could he have killed without a gun?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:33 pmGood grief. You can’t drink until you’re 21 but these nuts think a 19 year old freshman is mature enough to carry a semi-automatic?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:33 pmI think they were Amish not quaker
April 18th, 2007 at 3:34 pmShortly before I arrived there, a young American male killed an Okinawa woman with the claw end of a hammer. Does that mean that we should ban hammers or have stricter restrictions on hammers?
Comment by hacker bob (thank you for your service, and your taste in music! — April 18, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
Yes, but would a hammer kill more than 2 dozen of students in a matter of hours? would a hammer cause a lockdown of an entire campus? would a hammer cause a delay in police action?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:34 pm# 78 NULL
April 18th, 2007 at 3:34 pmThe first people on scene in New Orleans were Blackwater ( private army with a budget of billions represented by Ken Star and Fred Fielding the presidents general counsel,based in Virginia)employees , guns drawn and pointed at American citizens .Their newest profit scheme is to break into intelligence ( domestic ? ).
Black water , which forms a 3 to one ratio with our own Army in Iraq is by all accounts far better equipt and trained and has ,I believe 75000 employees .
Who needs gun control when you have a private army based and operating with in the continental United States ?
Blackwater making the US safe from democracy ,coming to a city near you
April 18th, 2007 at 3:36 pmRe # 78
more people starved to death, died of heat exhustion and drowned in katrina than died from gunshots. by a long shot. (An inappropiate saying in this context, but think how many gun related sayings we have.)
The solution to Katrina isn’t more guns, it’s better government.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:36 pmTodays question , which other famous dictator had a private army ?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:38 pmSmith & Wesson, uh Glock
April 18th, 2007 at 3:38 pmFirst the left screams its the guns fault and then the right loses it and calls for more guns at schools and calls for people to fight back… well you know what I see from this incident? Human beings are unstable and what they decide is “fighting back” may vary from person to person or from time to time… and they will have guns to include into their potentially emotional and rash decisions.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:40 pmBanning guns would be great. It’s just not possible. Banning guns would get the same result as banning drugs: there would be just as many guns, but now there would also be a criminal industry supplying those guns.
We’d do better to address the societal issues that lead unstable people to act on their delusions.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:40 pmHow many could he have killed without a gun?
Comment by And You Thought REAGAN Was Stupid — April 18, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
31, but he could have used a car instead.
Good grief. You can’t drink until you’re 21 but these nuts think a 19 year old freshman is mature enough to carry a semi-automatic?
Comment by ann — April 18, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
I work with 19 y/o “kids” that carry semi-automatic and automatic weapons all the time.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:40 pmre # 85
hacker bob, I’m not in favor of doing away with guns anymore than you are in favor of letting everyone have guns regardless of their mental state.
What I was trying to say is that the people who most often repeat the phrase “guns don’t kill people…” say that in response to situations like what just happened at VT. what happens is that guns by themselves don’t kill people, people holding guns kill people. and those who want to separate the killing from the guns, for the most part, aren’t willing to do the work, and spend the money, to solve the problems that push people to use the guns that kill people.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:43 pmBanning guns would be great. It’s just not possible. Banning guns would get the same result as banning drugs: there would be just as many guns, but now there would also be a criminal industry supplying those guns.
We’d do better to address the societal issues that lead unstable people to act on their delusions.
Comment by RantingTommy — April 18, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
No, you will never get all the guns off the street. But you can make it MUCH harder to procure bullets.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:44 pmThis horrible incident points out that all college students should be proficient in the use of the Five-Point-Palm Exploding Heart Technique.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:45 pmYes, that what we need to lower gun violence binge drinking college students with concealed weapons.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:45 pmThe same tragedy could have come about by some nut taking the wheel of a bus or by arson. So I propose everyone gets one hand on the wheel and everyone should carry a flame retardant suit and a flame thrower.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:46 pmre #98
he could have used a car in a 4th floor classroom?
how safe do you feel around the 19 yos packing guns like that? really. wouldn’t you feel safer if they weren’t?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:46 pmwhy is she smirking and smiling in the presser?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:46 pmBob are you talking to your self again ?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:46 pmann,
you don’t get out much, eh? tell me, at what age can an American join the military? oh that is right, 18, and I take it you think that our 18 year olds in the military use rocks to defend themselves in battle, eh?
good grieft, you are right! so much ignorance……
April 18th, 2007 at 3:47 pmOkay, guns in school. But why stop there. We start with arming all the students in the right-wing, Christo-fascist schools and colleges first; then move to all the congregations attending right-wing, Christo-fascist “born again” churches; then to every delegate attending the Republican National Convention. Then announce over their respective loudspeakers that a “liberal who might be a foreigner” was seen in the building, sit back, and watch the fireworks. We may be able to elect a veto-proof Democratic congress sooner than we think!
April 18th, 2007 at 3:47 pmI make no claim to know any solutions but I find it alarming that this young man was so disturbed in his behavior that an instructor referred and reported him to campus counseling services and to the police, who could do nothing, but he legally was able to get guns at two locations regardless.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:48 pmre#106
I thought I was talking to hacker bob, maybe it’s just the voices in my head…
ps freemen aren’t free, just ask jeff gannon
April 18th, 2007 at 3:50 pmIsn’t this nice…
Patrick1, on another thread, just implied that the passengers on the other 3 hijacked jets from 9/11, were cowards!
How does that make you feel, exley?
April 18th, 2007 at 3:51 pmYou’re partner in crime dissing the victims of that fateful day!
Britain has one of the toughest gun control laws in the world…..do criminals in Britain not use guns anymore?
Japan also has stiff gun control laws, the mayor of Tokyo was gunned down two days ago….guess the gun control laws didn’t work on those darn, “law abiding” criminals, eh?
please, gun control laws do nothing for society. Criminals will always find a way to get guns regardless how many laws we have outlawing them….
i think someone already wrote this, what we need to do is find the reason why people kill and try to fix that problem, not place more federal and government regulations on people.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:51 pmWe’d do better to address the societal issues that lead unstable people to act on their delusions.
Comment by RantingTommy — April 18, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
WOW, there is a novel concept.
how safe do you feel around the 19 yos packing guns like that? really. wouldn’t you feel safer if they weren’t?
Comment by bob (not the hacker) — April 18, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
Actually, I feel safer with my 19 y/o’s than I do with most city cops. Really, I do.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:52 pmHere is a thought instead of giving everyone on campus the right to carry a gun on them allow only staff to carry guns or keep one in a safe in their room.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:52 pmDRxJ, I am not responsible for anyone comments but mine. I am hardly Patrick1’s or anyone else’s “partner in crime.”
Where did he make these comments? Sounds pretty offensive, but I’d like to see for my self.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:54 pmWhy would the government let kids carry guns to schools when they can send them off to other countries, to kill foreign kids in their schools.
I feel pity for people that think gun bans will protect you. Has nothing been learned? The first thing tyrannies do is disarm the population and promise you safely. Safety is THE lie out of all the lies. Government cannot protect you.
Now watch them link this to terrorism to take away even more rights and people will buy into it like fools, just like after 9/11.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:55 pm#29 The maniac didn’t use automatic weapons. He used very small caliber handguns with minimal range and accuracy. It is fun to watch this crowd equate “semi” automatic to automatic weapons. There is a VERY big difference.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:59 pmBanning guns would be great. It’s just not possible. Banning guns would get the same result as banning drugs: there would be just as many guns, but now there would also be a criminal industry supplying those guns.
We’d do better to address the societal issues that lead unstable people to act on their delusions.
Comment by RantingTommy — April 18, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
No, you will never get all the guns off the street. But you can make it MUCH harder to procure bullets.
That strategy has not slowed down drug consumption. Why would it work better for guns?
April 18th, 2007 at 4:00 pmre # 113
Who are your 19 yos? gangbangers or army recruits, or some other demographic?
re# 114,
how will a safe in the classroom help? the wacko comes into the room shoots the teacher before he/she can open the safe, then MSNBC et al spend the next few days talking to experts who belittle the dead teacher, while the right wing smearmongers on the radio and internet, and faux news make fun of the “dead liberal”. a better idea would be to have secert trap doors installed so teachers can send the gun toting idiots down shutes to shark filled tanks…
April 18th, 2007 at 4:01 pmComment by Exley — April 18, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
On the thread, 2 down from here, Patrick1inch is calling the victims of the VT shooting cowards for not jumping him. He compares their non actions to the actions of the heroes of flight 93, thus concluding that the non actions of the passengers on the other 3 hijacked planes were cowards
As far as your concern, you always jump up and pipe in when you feel disrespected by 9/11 comments here. I’m just wondering why you are being absently silent on this
and dammit, the Tigers lost in 10 today
April 18th, 2007 at 4:02 pmBTW, he could have jsut as easily bought himself 3-4 hunting rifles with extended clips and very large caliber and killed even more. How in the world are you going to stop that? These are the same weapons used by tens of millions of Americans to hunt. Are you advocating taking away the right to buy guns for law abiding citizens so only criminals have them?
April 18th, 2007 at 4:02 pmWho are your 19 yos? gangbangers or army recruits, or some other demographic?
Actually, Marines.
They are of the same age/demographic as the students in most colleges. They can be trusted to make good decisions, as can the majority of college students. You really do not give the youth of America much credit.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:05 pmThere is a VERY big difference.
Comment by Roger_Roger — April 18, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
Yeah, tell that to the victim’s family! “Sorry, your son was shot by a fairly small caliber semi automatic, that could only use 30 rounds per clip before reloading”
Nice sympathy, Debate_Dodger
April 18th, 2007 at 4:05 pm31, but he could have used a car instead. Comment by hacker bob
Hard to get a car through the dorm front door or the classroom door. Thanks for supporting my position that, without such easy access to a gun, this could not have happened.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:09 pmThese are the same weapons used by tens of millions of Americans to hunt. Are you advocating taking away the right to buy guns
Comment by Roger_Rogerless — April 18, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
Yeah, like in Canada, which has a very strict gun law, but yet one can easily get a rifle for hunting.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:09 pmOh yeah, what’s the murder rate in Canada for gun crimes compared to the USA? or better yet, instead of the USA, just compare the city of Detroit
google and have fun!
Give all the kids guns, make it a requirement…
April 18th, 2007 at 4:10 pmAll these right wing, wanna be tough guys (Malkin included as she kinda looks like a dude) think the answer is to cowboy up and go John McClain in an situation like the one at V Tech have to be the most stupid, arrogant, idiots walking the face of this planet!
Some asshole kicks in the door and starts blasting the first thing any of those pricks would have done would’ve been the first thing all those students which is HIT THE F*CKING DECK! This was a hideous and horrible tragedy, but if it ever happens again I just hope something like this happens at every place everyone of these jackasses work.
That way we have one of two great outcomes… They either eat a bullet in the middle of their Die Hard impressions, catching one in the noodle before they can finish yelling “Yippe Kiyae Mother…” *POW* SPLAT!!! Or, more likely and satisfying, a few hours later when they’re rescued and walk out in front of the cameras we can see the big wet spots in the front of the pants where they pissed themselves while they were curled up in a fetal ball, cowering beneath their desks.
Loud mouth pussies.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:10 pmIt is disgusting for the Reich Wingnuts to blame the victims.
Immoral and disgusting. Repukes are disgusting.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:11 pmDRxJ,
I was “silent” because I didn’t see the comments. I will go check them out.
Sorry about your Tigers. You are still in first-place though.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:12 pmActually hacker bob,
I teach English at a college. My students are great, and there are a few I would trust with guns in school (many are former service men and women), but there are others that I don’t trust to tie their shoes in the morning. the 19 yos you have get a lot of training with weapons. would you trust recruits right off the bus with those same weapons?
April 18th, 2007 at 4:13 pmIf any of you think that there aren’t guns in schools on a daily basis NOW, you are truly naive. I went to an inner-city school in Cincinatti, and there were guns (even with metal detectors) available if you knew where to go. Stop taking the rights of teachers to discipline students, administrators to expell a trouble maker without getting sued and fired, and hold people accountable for their actions, rather than saying that they were “The victim”, and then we’ll talk.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:13 pmBritain has one of the toughest gun control laws in the world…..do criminals in Britain not use guns anymore?
Japan also has stiff gun control laws, the mayor of Tokyo was gunned down two days ago….guess the gun control laws didn’t work on those darn, “law abiding†criminals, eh?
please, gun control laws do nothing for society. Criminals will always find a way to get guns regardless how many laws we have outlawing them….
i think someone already wrote this, what we need to do is find the reason why people kill and try to fix that problem, not place more federal and government regulations on people.
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
It was the Mayor of Nagasaki. Let’s put this in perspective. In America, there is an average of 32 people killed every DAY by guns (ironic). Every day. How many people are killed by guns in a year in those other 2 countries? Look it up.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:13 pmback in the 1970s the Palestinian terrorists started attacking schools and universities in Israel. Israel armed professors and created especial parent patrols and the Palestinian terrorist were driven out of schools and universities.
banning guns will do nothing to make anyone safer. Ohboy said it well, taking guns away from the population is a great tactic to once again make citizens over reliable on government.
did we learn nothing from Katrina? you can’t count on government to keep us safe!
April 18th, 2007 at 4:13 pmThat Cho asshole should have just signed up for the military.
Then he could have gone to Iraq and shot all the people he wanted.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:14 pmTom3,
well liberal professors in college campus around the USA have blamed 9/11 on the 3,000 victims that died on this horrific day……are they also part of what you call Reich Wingnuts…..
April 18th, 2007 at 4:15 pmnully
“did we learn nothing from Katrina? you can’t count on government to keep us safe!”
We learned we can’t trust republicans to run the government.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:16 pmCan anyone point out a school shooting that was done with an illegal gun? Can’t seem to find one here
April 18th, 2007 at 4:18 pmHacker Bob,
I have to go, but thanks for the converstation. You get the last word here.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:19 pmUnited States v. Rybar, where he opined in that a U.S. law banning private citizens from owning submachine guns was outside the authority of Congress.
Comment by Angry One #31
…perhaps he’ll get lucky…
…and experience the fruits of his ruling…
…first hand…
April 18th, 2007 at 4:19 pmBuckaroo…
sorry, Nagasaki, not Tokyo…..doesn’t change the fact…
also, from where do you get that 32 people die a day in America from gun violence? source please….
according to your 32 a day thing 11, 680 people die a year in America from gun violence…..
hmmm…..that is almost 4 times more people than American soldiers have died in Iraq in 4 years…..how come there aren’t huge liberal marches against guns?
April 18th, 2007 at 4:20 pmComment by bob (not the hacker) — April 18, 2007 @ 4:19 pm
Actually, you did, but we can pick it up another time.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:21 pmactually in Wilmette, Illinois, the city of Wilmette took legal action against a father for defending himself with a shot gun from an home invader….wilmette bans all guns..
the city of wilmette lost on the grounds that it was violating the 2nd amendment rights of this individuals…
let us not forget that recently in a DC court gun control laws were ruled unConstitutional……..
hey, i am all for background checks, no felons should be allowed to buy guns, waiting period, database of those that have bought guns, what kind, etc, etc…….what I am against is for the government forcing me to rely on it to defend myself.
After Katrina, 9/11, and so many other incidents in which the government has failed so miserably to protect Americans, we need the 2nd Amendment.
and once again, no one has guaranteed me that criminals will abide by the gun control laws…..
do any one of you anti-gun people honestly believe that criminals will abide by gun control laws? please…..it is not fear, it is reality.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:25 pm#5 RR – don’t you know that guns don’t kill people? It’s people that kill people so giving more guns to people isn’t going to stop people from killing people.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:27 pmLaw abiding people BECOME criminals after they attack someone with a gun. So criminals were once law abiding people. It was only after they used their gun to mame or kill someone that they became criminals. Before that, just another good law abiding person permitted to purchase a gun.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:30 pmbob (not the hacker),
sorry guy, the local and state government were in control of the Democrats….so please, don’t start with the partisan crap. Sadly enough BOTH parties failed, all of government failed us.
what we learned from Katrina is that government, regardless which party is in power will not help you out.
Don’t forget that Lousiana (State) and New Orleans (city) have been in Democrat control for over 6 decades. New Orleans is worst than a 3 world nation, it is a city which has been under Democrat control since before the 1960s. New Orleans outside of the French Quarter before Katrian was worst than a 3 world nation. This is what awaits America if Democrats implement their corrupt ways through out the USA.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:32 pmONE college professor said that, you ignorant troll.
At least three Reich Wingnuts in the media, including Malkin, are blaming the victims for this.
And several trolls in here are agreeing with them.
Reich Wingnuts are the problem and the 2008 elections are the solution.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:36 pm“How many lives would have been saved had one brave student had a gun?
Comment by Patrick1 — April 18, 2007 @ 2:46 pm”
Or, really, because your scenario is ridiculous, how many MORE would have been killed when freaked out students started randomly shooting back?
A cop once told me that even trained police officers aren’t very good at hitting their targets considering how much adrenalin does to impact one’s firing ability.
As a teacher – I’d rather take my chances in a room with one gun than with 20.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:38 pmOnly an ignorant Reichwingnut Troll would paint the Dems with a broad brush.
That is because Democrats are all different. We’re not goosestepping Borg drones spewing talking point lies like you Repukes are.
As for New Orleans, it was officially under FEMA control so it is 100% Chimpy’s fault. Blaming the city or state is an error of fact.
STupid Repuke Trolls. Go back under your bridge.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:38 pmBanning firearms violates my 2nd & 4th Amendment Rights. Individuals that commit crimes with guns do not obey laws so gun bans simply disarm victims!
April 18th, 2007 at 4:39 pmnully,
April 18th, 2007 at 4:39 pm“how about if a student at VT carried a gun….wouldn’t he/she been able to kill the crazed fool before he killed up to 31 people?”
As others have pointed out, what happens when someone sees the person trying to stop the gunman? If you’re honest with yourself, you’ll realize it’s a likely scenario that someone might start firing at the would-be hero, and someone else could start firing at him/her….etc. We’re not talking about a situation where people will calmly look around to assess the situation and make a logical decision as to who the bad guy is, we’re talking about chaos.
And in post #59, you really missed the mark. (Oh geez, not another gun pun) You’re assuming that liberals want to do away with guns, which isn’t generally true. Most liberals want tougher controls. You stated “please, all that gun control laws do is take away the guns from law abiding citizens” then went on to say “There needs to be some type of gun control, i mean we don’t need sub-machine guns, but to outlaw guns completly, please.” The latter is what most liberals agree with. More controls, not outlawing guns.
Lastly, in post #112 you said, “please, gun control laws do nothing for society. Criminals will always find a way to get guns regardless how many laws we have outlawing them….” Question: Was Cho Seung-Hui a criminal who would have found a way around tougher gun control laws, or was he a citizen who found it easy to purchase a gun under current laws?
Tom3,
one college professor said that? so you believe that only one college professor said that because the media told you that only one college professor said that, right?
why don’t you go back to your room, and do some research on your own child. You will be shocked to find that countless liberals professors aroudn the United States have said this…duh, duh, duh…
I am sure that you are also not aware that Nazis in Germany, England, France, and most of Europe now wear El Che t-shirts……. shows the level of ignorance so prevelent in the world’s youth.
please, please go get an education before you keep on posting.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:39 pmAfter 6 years of Chimpy, I wholeheartedly support the 2nd Amendment.
We Liberals are going to need guns to protect ourselves from Chimpy and his Repuke thugs when Chimpy declares martial law.
They’re not dragging me off to the Halliburton Soap Factory and Detention Camp.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:41 pmnully, you’re a repuke troll. you have nothing to say.
i bet this stupid troll blames the victims in the virginia shooting.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:42 pmnull – the third world USA is brought to you by the 109th Congress, controlled by Republicans and the 6 years of boy Bush WH, both of which have contributed to huge deficits and the outsourcing of good paying jobs, another form of welfare, only it is Republican approved welfare because it is welfare for corporations.
I’m surprised that anyone would admit to being a Republican… the party that supports traitors that expose a CIA agent and spying on Americans and torture and trashing the US Constitution and are weak on national security and justify invading sovereign nations to steal their oil and sends our military off to die in a war based on lies.
Republican Party, the party of SHAME.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:44 pm“I would always prefer running to making a bad situation worse by joining in and shooting.
Comment by doro — April 18, 2007 @ 2:51 pm”
My conservative father was, surprise, surprise a gun-nut.
One thing he did do right was to educate us – habitually – on the dangers of guns. I realize now that educated gun-ownership was exactly what the Second Amendment to the US Constitution is all about… Not about handing someone one a weapon and saying ‘have at it’. We teach people how to drive before they can legally operate a car… Why would a couple of tons of accelerating metal be more regulared than a bullet? In uneducated hands, they are both deadly…
April 18th, 2007 at 4:45 pmTom3,
are you this stupid? FEMA didn’t take control of New Orleans until a week or more after Katrina went through it, duh, duh, duh……
Democrats controlled New Orleans, have controlled New Orleans long before Katrina hit, why is it that New Orleans is worst than a 3rd world nation? have you traveled there? do you know the level of corruption that has existed in New Orleans? of course not.
your poor fool. Tom3, you are a joke my friend.
New Orleans was a Dumbcrat control city when Katrina hit. Do tell, why didn’t the governor of Louisiana (a Democrat) order the Mayor of New Orleans (a Democrat) for the city to be evacuated? Why didn’t the Mayor use the thousands of buses around the city to evacuate the city?
get a clue and an education and then someone might start taking you seriously little one.
In the mean time everything you type is based on the logic and education of a two year old infant.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:46 pmback in the 1970s the Palestinian terrorists started attacking schools and universities in Israel. Israel armed professors and created especial parent patrols and the Palestinian terrorist were driven out of schools and universities.
When terrorist attacks on universities become commonplace in the US, then measures will undoubtedly be taken to secure campuses appropriately.
As long as the danger is limited to singular nutcases on personal vendettas, the threat remains miniscule in this nation today.
banning guns will do nothing to make anyone safer. Ohboy said it well, taking guns away from the population is a great tactic to once again make citizens over reliable on government.
But giving them more guns WILL make them safer? Oh, okay. I understand. It’s the “peace through superior firepower” philosophy, right? How’s that working out in Iraq right now?
did we learn nothing from Katrina? you can’t count on government to keep us safe!
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
We’ve certainly learned we can’t count on Republican government to do much of anything to serve the people.
I love how Republicans say “Government ISN’T the answer” and then they take control of government and do everything in their power to make that statement come true. Why would anyone want someone who believes government is the problem, in control of government? Thankfully, because of today’s Republicans, we may not have that worry for a while.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:46 pmi bet the troll can’t come up with any list of college professors who blame the victims of 9-11. that’s because there isn’t any.
But there is already a list of Reich Wingnuts who are blaming the victims for the Virginia Tech tragedy.
Repukes are scum.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:47 pmnully is another dumbass repuke puking up talking point lies.
not worth reading.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:48 pmCoffins…
really? how about New Orleans in the 1980s, when Democrats controlled Congress? or early 1990s when Democrats controlled Congress? or in the 1970s, 60s, when Democrats controlled congress, New Orleans was back then like a 3rd world nation.
and New Orleans has been under Democrat control since before the 1960s.
New Orleans is the Democrats paradise. Every law that a Democrat supports and dreams of have passed in New Orleans, why is it a sh….t hole? why? it is a Democrats “paradise”.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:48 pmKrank,
i would urge to do some research….cities that have relax gun laws have less crime, murder, etc, etc then cities that have strict and super harsh gun control laws.
please do the research…….statistics speak against what you just said.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:50 pmnully is a real troll, isn’t he?
the democrats can do no right and the repukes can do no wrong.\
what an idiot.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:50 pm“Comment by JesusIs Gay — April 18, 2007 @ 3:05 pm”
Daryll should be happy to hear that (that Jesus is the g-word… :)
April 18th, 2007 at 4:51 pmTom3,
ahhh my little hateful friend….yes don’t waste your time reading different point of views…..open mindeness is obviously not your forte.
I take it your voices tell you all the time that you are right and everyone else is wrong, right?
nice to know there is such great hate on the left. typical anti-Bush cult member.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:52 pmback in the 1970s the Palestinian terrorists started attacking schools and universities in Israel. Israel armed professors and created especial parent patrols and the Palestinian terrorist were driven out of schools and universities.
Oh, no… boy Bush said that we wouldn’t have to fight them over here if we fought them over there… and here they are, the terrorists, already in this country. There was the Oklahoma City bombing, the Columbine murders, the murders at the Amish school, the murders at VT and how many more murders commited by law abiding people that became terrorist criminals by killing people, some with bombs and some with guns. OMG – the terrorists are already with us and they look like law abiding people. How will we ever find them and keep us safe? Should we look to boy Bush? Cheney? Rove?
April 18th, 2007 at 4:53 pmJesus was a Commie Hippy.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:53 pmnully – I’ll hug your elephant when you kiss my ass.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:54 pmi would urge to do some research….cities that have relax gun laws have less crime, murder, etc, etc then cities that have strict and super harsh gun control laws.
please do the research…….statistics speak against what you just said.
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
If the *facts* are that straightforward, you should be able to supply them immediately with reliable resource and statistics.
This should be fun!
By the way, how is the murder rate in modern western countries that do have gun control compared to the US? Are you saying that if we had a country wide set of laws to control guns, we would have more crime? What’s the basis of this *analysis*, the tooth fairy tell you?
April 18th, 2007 at 4:56 pmWhere’s Patrick1? He must be hung up on another thread.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:56 pmahhh my little hateful friend….yes don’t waste your time reading different point of views…..open mindeness is obviously not your forte. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
You lecturing others on having an *open-mind* – that’s HILARIOUS!
The principle of Progressive values is based an open mind, the principles of Conservatism are based on the belief that you already know the answers and don’t need an open mind.
BAHAHAHA, you don’t even know that you’re *supposed* to be a closed minded person as part of your own philosophy. So you are stupid, and closed minded – RICH!!!
I take it your voices tell you all the time that you are right and everyone else is wrong, right? Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
Project much – wingnut?
nice to know there is such great hate on the left. typical anti-Bush cult member. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
Project much, bush cultist?
April 18th, 2007 at 4:58 pmKrank,
i would urge to do some research….cities that have relax gun laws have less crime, murder, etc, etc then cities that have strict and super harsh gun control laws.
please do the research…….statistics speak against what you just said.
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
nully, I would urge to learn some English. Also, it is considered a class move to actually provide some backup for specific claims one makes, in the form of quotes, citations or links, rather than demanding that others do your work for you.
I know, I know… “what’s a class move have to do with me?”
April 18th, 2007 at 4:59 pmTom3…
are you for real?! hahahahaha!!!!
according to you Republicans can do no right and Dumbcrats can do no wrong……
you are a funny child little one…
as i said, your post are quite comical…….
on a serious note, you do need an education.
don’t be so stupid and such a partisan idiot I can name quite a few good things that Democrats have done for this great nation as well as name bad things Republicans have done. I can also name great things Republicans have done and bad things Democrats have done.
but for ill-informed youngens like you to claim that New Orleans was solely the President’s fault is pathetic, stupid, ridiculous, uneducated, partisan, illogical and shows a lack of knowledge of how our government runs.
don’t be such a tool kid and try to be someone else besides Tom3…..this Tom3 thing is not working out for you.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:59 pmIt seems to me that annual psychological testing at both the primary & secondary school levels, with appropriate counseling for both the at risk student and his/her family would go a lot further at correcting many of society’s ills than arming everyone against the possibility of psychos. Mental health & appropriate social skills are much more important than academic achievement if one is to become a functioning adult. (Note to Neo-cons: Violence is NOT a coping skill.) Then we might not have as many sociopaths running our government and our corporations.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:00 pmfaiz, you little scamp!
how many clicks did it take to get that screen shot?
she is a cutie!…
i vote for a less attractive shot… anyone else???
April 18th, 2007 at 5:01 pmeh?
New Orleans is the Democrats paradise. Every law that a Democrat supports and dreams of have passed in New Orleans, why is it a sh….t hole? why? it is a Democrats “paradiseâ€. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
If it’s such a sh…t hole, why does every redneck rube like you come to get drunk, piss yourself, and pass out on the streets while saying it was the best time you’ve ever had?
What screwed Louisiana was the gaming of the oil and shipping industry so that neither New Orleans, nor Louisiana could benefit from the revenues do to them, so f*t st*pid Texans like you could rob the state blind of what they deserve.
As for your little rambling rant about Democrats controlling congress, you forgot that many of the wingnut future republican (blue dog) democrats (especially from Texas) often voted against the interests of New Orleans.
For someone that claims to be the *expert* on Democrats and Louisiana, you’re as ignorant as the rest of your *clan* of inbred dum bass rubes.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:02 pmas i said, your post are quite comical…….
on a serious note, you do need an education.
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Beautiful. Just beautiful.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:02 pmon a serious note, you do need an education. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Says the troll that uses non-standard grammar, punctuation and communication.
don’t be so stupid and such a partisan idiot I can name quite a few good things that Democrats have done for this great nation as well as name bad things Republicans have done. I can also name great things Republicans have done and bad things Democrats have done. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Then do it.
but for ill-informed youngens like you to claim that New Orleans was solely the President’s fault is pathetic, stupid, ridiculous, uneducated, partisan, illogical and shows a lack of knowledge of how our government runs. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Solely? It’s you that claimed it was *solely* the Democrats fault – lying st*pid j*ck*ss.
You’re just the prom queen of projection aren’t you?
don’t be such a tool kid and try to be someone else besides Tom3…..this Tom3 thing is not working out for you.
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Project much? You trolls all whine that progressives should think for themselves, yet you drone on with virtually identical talking points.
Idiot.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:05 pm“one can easily get a rifle for hunting.
Comment by DRxJ — April 18, 2007 @ 4:09 pm”
Pretty much all mass murderers start out killing animals…
Gun ownership – regardless of the type – should come with training, licensing and waiting periods (no one has to go shoot innocent animals that badly either…)
I support the Second Amendment for an educated defense – but I don’t support it for offense. I just don’t know how you separate the two without strict gun laws – regardless of what you’re shooting (because I’m not convinced that all people can differentiate in their targets).
April 18th, 2007 at 5:05 pmValiant…….
hahaha!! so I am a redkneck now? oh your poor racist pig….you would probably shocked to find out that I am no where near being what you would consider white…..
nice to know that you are such an ignorant, racist pig…
As for New Orleans…..typical of a liberal to not put the blame where it belongs…on the fat, corrupt politicians of New Orleans that when ever millions were sent by the Federal government or the State government to improve it, they would pocket it………
anyway, your hateful rant is just that hateful and quite ignorant, nice to know that not only are you not educated, but you are a racist pig too. typical liberal.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:06 pmOr, really, because your scenario is ridiculous, how many MORE would have been killed when freaked out students started randomly shooting back?
A cop once told me that even trained police officers aren’t very good at hitting their targets considering how much adrenalin does to impact one’s firing ability.
As a teacher – I’d rather take my chances in a room with one gun than with 20.
Comment by unbelievable — April 18, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
Think of all the adrenalin Cho Seung-Hui had during his shooting spree. I’m sure that when he realized he was the only person in the room with a gun that allowed him to switch to “execution style” rather than “OK Corral style”. Here we have an EXECUTOINER walking about with complete impunity and common sense completely evades you. Since when is defending yourself by equal force evil or bad? Regardless you’re a fool to rely on the police since they most often arrive after the bodies hit the floor.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:06 pmThis is such a stupid talking point.
Why the presumption that giving people the OPTION to carry means everyone will carry?
I’m pro choice, but I don’t advocate every woman having an abortion.
Citizens in VA who are over 21 and get training are allowed to carry anywhere in VA they want at any time if they go through a licensing process. Why should they not get to do so in Blacksburg just because they’re a student?
If I’d been on campus that day (as a non-student), I’d have been carrying on my VA CCW permit. But a student can’t carry on his?
Makes no sense.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:08 pmThere goes valiant again, bird-dogging anyone who opposes his side of any topic opposite view! Ruff….ruff……sick em’ fido!!!!
BTW, wasn’t this thread about VT and gun control?????
April 18th, 2007 at 5:08 pmI’m OK with gun ownership-
but these CONTURDS are nuts-
PS- anyone think about .00002 _seconds_ about the legal liability a school would incur with armed students?
CONTURDS & Republi-SCUM are crazy and worthless-
April 18th, 2007 at 5:09 pmKatrina was the result of global warming… stronger storms. The flooding in New Orleans is way too complicated to blame on any one party. We can blame the Army Corps of Engineers for not building adequate levies. We can blame politicians for not supplying the money to build adequate levies. We can blame developers for destroying the wet lands and swamps that protected NOLA from storm surges from the Gulf of Mexico. We can blame over population of NOLA that aided in the destruction of the Mississippi delta. There is plenty of blame to go around and I’m going to stop right here because I could go on and on and on….
April 18th, 2007 at 5:10 pm“….yes don’t waste your time reading different point of views…..open mindeness is obviously not your forte.”
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
April 18th, 2007 at 5:13 pmNully, since this implies you are open minded to other points of view, I’m wondering why you didn’t respond to my post directed to you? (148)
valiant…
so much hate, so much venom….why son, why? take your pills lately?
sorry kid, before your idiotic friend Tom 3 claimed that Katrina was only the President’s fault, I always said that ALL level of governments failed us.
leave it to a sad, pathetic, full of hate, uneducated, lack of knowledge, know no history, hates everyrone including himself to claim people are doing what he is doing.
son, my poor, poor child, you are the only one that is projecting…..please son, learn how to read and comprehend before you make such a pathetic idiot out of yourself.
on a serious note your posts are quite comical. :)
you are one funny kid valiant…..
April 18th, 2007 at 5:14 pmAnd the next hurricane season is right around the corner….
April 18th, 2007 at 5:14 pmunbelieve…
funny enough, my best friend who is a cop told me that a well trained gun owner will hit the bull eyes 10 times out of 10. I think your cop friend was trying to instill fear in your and it looks like he did a good job.
but no surprise that youa re a teacher AND a liberal….
April 18th, 2007 at 5:15 pmComment by Coffins Draped with Flags — April 18, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
Another 2nd & 4th Amendment TRAVISTY…….
Blackwater kicking doors to grab guns.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:16 pmLily,
I apologize, I did not see it…what number is it?
April 18th, 2007 at 5:16 pmhere we go, liberals trying to use fear to get everyone to believe Global Warming…
oh no, run, run, run!!!!! Hurracane season is here….
wasn’t last year season suppose to be the worst in history and it was actually one of the mildest in history? please!
April 18th, 2007 at 5:17 pmcoffins,
the disaster in New Orleans after Katrina was the fault of everyone…..
citizens of New Orleans….
the local government
the State government and….
the Federal government….
everyone failed after Katrina…..
to me Katrina is just another reason why while gun laws should exist, we should all be allowed to buy guns.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:19 pmValiant……. hahaha!! so I am a redkneck now? oh your poor racist pig….you would probably shocked to find out that I am no where near being what you would consider white….. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
A redneck is a state of mind, not a race. Your language and misuse of grammar indicate that you are probably asian, but your attitudes are pure redneck.
One of the top Neo-Nazis just died recently, and they discovered he was part black after he died (the family kept it secret). That didn’t change the fact he was a racist nazi, in the same way your race doesn’t change the fact you’re a redneck. I suggest you watch king of the hill sometime, especially the episode where the cambodian discovers he’s a redneck.
nice to know that you are such an ignorant, racist pig… Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
Says the ignorant racist pig.
As for New Orleans…..typical of a liberal to not put the blame where it belongs…on the fat, corrupt politicians of New Orleans that when ever millions were sent by the Federal government or the State government to improve it, they would pocket it……… Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
So you say the malfeasance of the Army Corps of Engineers has no bearing on this event? The same Corps who oversaw the construction and implementation of the levee system? Or that it’s the job of FEMA to assist in matters of natural disaster that overwhelm the infrastructure of a city and/or state? So the next time there’s a flood somewhere in one of our many floodplains and people get stuck, it will be the fault of the politicians that permitted them to build there?
You’re an idiot.
anyway, your hateful rant is just that hateful and quite ignorant, nice to know that not only are you not educated, but you are a racist pig too. typical liberal. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
You accusing others of hateful rants, while doing nothing but posting screeds about Democrats? You who think being a redneck means you’re a specific race?
You’re a racist pig, and your projections and hatred would be funny, if you were so gosh darned mentally r*t*rded.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:19 pmInteresting thing here about the leftist mindset. They were outraged by a conservative’s comments regarding a man’s duty to ‘fight’ against the bad guys because he implied ( by omission) that women weren’t capable. But they have no problem making broad generalizations about college students and young ADULTS. Even to the point of suggesting that young adults aren’t entitled to the same rights under the constitution.
Typical liberal hypocrasy. Typical elitism. It’s become clear that liberals in general have a lousy view of humanity.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:19 pmNully, why would a person being a teacher and a liberal not surprise you? Aren’t here any conservatives that are teachers out there?
April 18th, 2007 at 5:20 pmnully, still waiting on those *facts* from you.
Since you won’t post them, I happily accept your apology for being wrong. Just because you’re ignorant, doesn’t make you a bad person, your hatred and venom is what produces that. Son.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:20 pmStupid Repuke Troll denies Global Warming exists.
Jeez, they are getting dumber and dumber every day.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:22 pmInteresting thing here about the leftist mindset. They were outraged by a conservative’s comments regarding a man’s duty to ‘fight’ against the bad guys because he implied ( by omission) that women weren’t capable. But they have no problem making broad generalizations about college students and young ADULTS. Even to the point of suggesting that young adults aren’t entitled to the same rights under the constitution.
Typical liberal hypocrasy. Typical elitism. It’s become clear that liberals in general have a lousy view of humanity.
Comment by kirkmcquest — April 18, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
So now we’re elite?
We have a lousy view of humanity, because we believe someone shouldn’t have to carry a gun, because the rest of humanity is so *dangerous*?
You wingnut freaks are just too funny!
Tell me, are these young adults participating in a militia? Because that’s what the 2nd amendment is about – idiot.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:23 pmNully, post 148
April 18th, 2007 at 5:23 pmWhat exactly will it finally take for the US to join the rest of the world in establishing sensible gun control laws? We are fooling ourselves into believing that we are defending our constitutional rights to bear arms when what we are really doing is protecting the NRA, the Republican right and gun manufacturers greed, political base and paranoia. As a country we must at some point stand up and fight the real fight…..the one against stupidity and right-wing politics.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:25 pmhere we go, liberals trying to use fear to get everyone to believe Global Warming… Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
Global warming is based on science, denying global warming is based on fear. Fear we’ll *harm* the economy. Fear of change. Fear of the unknown. Fear, fear fear.
Just more projection from the resident brain dead wingnut, that doesn’t believe in *science*.
oh no, run, run, run!!!!! Hurracane season is here…. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
It’s spelled “Hurricane”. If you can’t spell the word, don’t use it child.
wasn’t last year season suppose to be the worst in history and it was actually one of the mildest in history? please! Comment by nully — April 1, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
An affect that was accounted for as a possibility in the models, related to El Nino. Still last year was one of the hottest ever recorded, you know. Global warming?
Idiot.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:26 pmvaliant, valiant….
now I am asian? hahahahaha!!! you poor, poor racist pig…..why so much hate son, why? i am laughing at your stupidity kid……
your posts are comical….please just type way…
you obviously have no knowledge of history or anything else….all you have is hate, hate, hate and more hate for anyone you disagree with.
your poor full of hate, spew venom fool.
anyway….didn’t know that this was a thesis paper were grammar needed to be perfect. I think not only are you hateful, but also stupid. Son, child, little one, this is a thread, not a thesis paper. Don’t get confused little one.
poor racist valiant…hahahahaha!!! now he tries to stereotype me according to how he believes asians write.hahahahaha!!!
do not realize what a buffoon you are making out of yourself oh hateful one?
much love kid. Don’t worry, i think as highly of you as you think of me.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:27 pmWonder how the Mayor of Nagasaki feels about strict liberal gun control? We could ask him but he was shot and killed Monday.
Comment by Patrick1
Geez, you’re an idiot. You just made OUR point!!!! Moron.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:27 pmvaliant, aka racist hateful pig….
idiot, 18 year olds can carry and fire arms in the military you poor unedcuated, hateful, racist pig…..
April 18th, 2007 at 5:28 pmthe disaster in New Orleans after Katrina was the fault of everyone…..
citizens of New Orleans….
the local government
the State government and….
the Federal government….
everyone failed after Katrina…..
to me Katrina is just another reason why while gun laws should exist, we should all be allowed to buy guns.
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
Everyone did fail, including the white people that fired guns at fleeing blacks so they wouldn’t come into their neighbords. A reason why gun *restriction* laws should exist.
The biggest failure was FEMA though, because it was their job to handle a disaster too large for a city and/or state to deal with. It was their jobs to design and construct the dams to protect the city. It was their job to warn the city as to the severity of the threat and be prepared if it overwhelmed the city.
There is most certainly plenty of responsibility to go around in terms of evacuation before the storm, but the failure to rescue, and the ensuing deaths are almost all federal. As is the complete failure to protect the citizens in their efforts to rebuild.
Nully, is a perfect name for you, as it describes what’s between your ears – NOTHING!
April 18th, 2007 at 5:29 pmFrankly speaking, my dear, I see no logical connection between hurricane Katrina and the murders at Virginia Tech. I was only making a point about the “blame game” post Katrina and NOLA. It had nothing to do with guns.
I still say the Republican party is the party of SHAME.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:30 pmI see the Repuke trolls are continuing to blame the victims.
Only real scumbags blame victims. The shooter is the one to blame.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:34 pmLily,
good post!
well, I believe that the VT killer would have found a way to buy a gun. I truly do. Maybe if Virgina would have tougher gun control laws it would have taking him longer, but at the end, if he was goiing to do it, no tough gun control would have stopped him.
As for most liberals only wanting tougher gun control laws….well I don’t know, it seems and statistics show that most liberals want guns to be completly banned.
I do believe that States like Texas, Virgina and a few other states have gun laws that are too relaxed….but to ban all guns in all situations…i don’t think so.
Also, if a student in one of the classrooms that the VT killer went int would have had a gun, and say another student had it too, I don’t think there would have been much confusion as to who they should be shooting at.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:34 pmand the answer to lung cancer is more cigarettes, too.
smoke up, johnny
April 18th, 2007 at 5:34 pmAs a country we must at some point stand up and fight the real fight…..the one against stupidity and right-wing politics.
Comment by lightning
GOOD LUCK.
Nully #199 So many words, so little content.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:35 pmValiant Venus….
Post @5:29.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:35 pmYour final sentence is funny… kind of like “null and void”.
That photo of Dana Perino looks like she has an Adams Apple.
Jeez, another Republitranny. She and Mann Coulter should go out on a date.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:35 pmnully, you’re a repuke troll.
that automatically makes you a hateful racist.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:37 pmvalaint, aka racist hateful pig…..
“Everyone did fail, including the white people that fired guns at fleeing blacks so they wouldn’t come into their neighbords. A reason why gun *restriction* laws should exist.”
so to you it is a black versus white issue, eh? typical of a racist pig. you see everything according to skin color. the great mark of a true racist, hateful pig.
and are you saying that blacks didn’t fire any guns? are you saying that it was only white people firing guns?
child, hateful pig, not only are you a racist, but you are also quite ill-informed.
you are one pathetic fool kid. did your mommy drop you too many times on your head? what happened to you kid, why are you so brainless and so stupid?
April 18th, 2007 at 5:37 pmComment #195. Crime has existed throughout the history of man, in every society since the beginning of time. You have a lousy view of humanity because you think people aren’t capable of protecting themselves. Your ‘belief’ that people shouldn’t ‘have to’ carry a gun to protect themselves is neither realistic nor intelligent. It is a ‘belief’, and pretty niave.
Also, I find your name calling, on an anonimous blog, to someone you’ll never meet, to be very courageous. That goes for anyone who chooses to insult others on this type of venue.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:37 pmvaliant, valiant…. now I am asian? hahahahaha!!! you poor, poor racist pig…..why so much hate son, why? i am laughing at your stupidity kid…… Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
Actually I said “probably” asian. I don’t really care what race you are, or aren’t, because it doesn’t matter – racist redneck pig. It’s you that’s fixated on “race”, racist.
your posts are comical….please just type way… Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
Actually what’s comical, is a redneck, posting the grammar and arguments of a “child”, thinking they are swaying anyone! Loser lunatics like you are a progressive’s best friend.
you obviously have no knowledge of history or anything else….all you have is hate, hate, hate and more hate for anyone you disagree with. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
We aren’t discussing history, so how would you know what knowledge I possess? Or are you a mind reader, when you’re not busy being a racist redneck?
your poor full of hate, spew venom fool. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
Ah, classic projection. Very funny.
anyway….didn’t know that this was a thesis paper were grammar needed to be perfect. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
Who says perfect? I’d settle for the level one would expect from a grade school graduate.
I think not only are you hateful, but also stupid. Son, child, little one, this is a thread, not a thesis paper. Don’t get confused little one. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
Well, you do post r*t*rded b*llsh*t, so it’s easy to be confused with the crap you post. And I’ll give you a clue, son, child, to do a thesis, you first need to do research and be knowledgeable on a topic. So by that measure, no you aren’t doing a *thesis* (otherwise known as an argument), you’re just being a spoiled child.
poor racist valiant…hahahahaha!!! now he tries to stereotype me according to how he believes asians write.hahahahaha!!! Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
Asiatic languages have very different grammar structures than English, so yep, it’s often easy to detect specific writing patterns that are Asian. It’s a *language* thing though son, not a race one. White children that would grow up learning an Asiatic language would produce the same constructs if they weren’t proficient with english – as your posts indicate about you.
do not realize what a buffoon you are making out of yourself oh hateful one? Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
Says the poor little wingnut child, that’s so filled with hate, that he comes to a progressive site to spew it. Another classic projection. Poor child. Did you have a big family, is that why you received so little attention that you turned out to be an unsocialized little sh*t? Or maybe an only son? That would explain why you’re so apt to blame everyone else for your bad behavior.
much love kid. Don’t worry, i think as highly of you as you think of me. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
Sure child. Whatever you say. More projection. You don’t know what I think of you, other than thinking your *posts* sound like the posts of a redneck. You could very well be someone intentionally posting b*llsh*t to piss people off, you might be posting this from a cushy office. I don’t know enough about you to know, or think anything of you, other than you must be awfully desperate or bored to post such st*pid partisan b*llsh*t, unfounded by any fact, or relevance…
Poor thing, what’s wrong, nothing better to do with your time than to spread hate, bigotry and ignorance?
Still waiting for those facts of yours. But we both know that would require “research”, and you’re not the “thesis” type – right son?
April 18th, 2007 at 5:47 pmLily,
another thing, statistics do show that the cities with the more relax control laws have less murders, and other types of crimes than cities with the really tough control laws……
these are the facts.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:47 pmI wonder why the students didn’t take any action against the gunman as he was shooting them one by one — even though he had to stop and reload?
Maybe because they been taught (by the left) to be passive and to wait until the government or some other authority comes to take care of them?
Why was the only person to take action (and save lives) an Israeli holocaust survivor?
Maybe because he knows (based on his experience) the right thing to do is try and stop the murderer from murdering more people.
Seems like the pacifist left has succeeded in suppressing the survival instinct in our youth — and thus we can expect more of the same: deranged murderers meeting almost no resistance until the “authorities” get there. And much higher body counts as a result.
Nice going guys. Now that’s what I call “Progress”!
April 18th, 2007 at 5:50 pmand you’re not the “thesis†type – right son?
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
I was drinking water when I read that…I almost messed up the keyboard. :)
April 18th, 2007 at 5:50 pmI’m a liberal, proud of it, and I don’t think that all guns should be banned. Automatic weapons should be banned along with cop killing bullets. Criminals should not be better armed than our police and criminals were once law abiding citizens.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:51 pmre # 205.
“well I don’t know, it seems and statistics show that most liberals want guns to be completly banned.”
It amy “seem” that way to you, but until you cite some stats it’s just your opinion and is as valid as anyone else’s
As for the argument that if one student had a gun, maybe the crazed gunman could have been killed, maybe yes, maybe no. but how many hypothetical shootings will result in other scenarios? Keep in mind that while bush was at VT attending the memorial service two uniformed secret service members were wounded by an accidental discharge of a service weapon on whitehouse grounds. These guys are trained, are the best of the best and accidents happen. What’s going to happen on a college campus when a quarter of the students are armed?
April 18th, 2007 at 5:51 pmvalaint, aka racist hateful pig….. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
More from the racist that sees racism in every post…
so to you it is a black versus white issue, eh? typical of a racist pig. you see everything according to skin color. the great mark of a true racist, hateful pig. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
Well, lets see. The shots came from a predominately white neighborhood, and were aimed at fleeing black residents.
I leave the possibility open that it wasn’t JUST race that played into this. But if you think race isn’t/wasn’t a problem in New Orleans, then you’ve truly set a new benchmark for your level of ignorance.
and are you saying that blacks didn’t fire any guns? are you saying that it was only white people firing guns? Comment by nully — April 1, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
Hey, lots of people fire guns, but fear of blacks is what started the whole gun craze after the Civil War, when Remington wanted to find a way to divert their new found capacity of producing weapons into a post war economic boom.
They helped fuel the ‘black fear’, and that still is quite pervasive among much of the country.
child, hateful pig, not only are you a racist, but you are also quite ill-informed. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
BAHAHA, funny coming from you.
you are one pathetic fool kid. did your mommy drop you too many times on your head? what happened to you kid, why are you so brainless and so stupid? Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
I’ll take this criticism in context with its source, a ‘child’, that can’t construct grammatically correct posts, or produce coherent arguments about anything….
Since we ALL know these posts are all about you, why exactly do you sound so st*pid again? Was it your mother dropping you on your head, or is it because your mom and dad had that sibling love we all hear about from redneck clans?
April 18th, 2007 at 5:51 pmanother thing, statistics do show that the cities with the more relax control laws have less murders, and other types of crimes than cities with the really tough control laws…… these are the facts. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
You keep saying that, yet you can’t cite a single resource that proves this.
I’m calling you a liar.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:52 pmanother thing, statistics do show that the cities with the more relax control laws have less murders, and other types of crimes than cities with the really tough control laws……
these are the facts.
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
Saying “these are the facts” don’t make it so. Your argument might have a bit more bite if you even listed which cities you’re talking about. A link to a reputable source would be better, but I sense you need to be taking baby steps toward adult discourse.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:54 pmre # 214,
the fact that you have repeatedly said “statistics show” without citing your sources makes your arguments less credible. either link to your sources or quit talking about them.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:54 pmAs for most liberals only wanting tougher gun control laws….well I don’t know, it seems and statistics show that most liberals want guns to be completly banned. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Ah, more claims, without citing resources…
I do believe that States like Texas, Virgina and a few other states have gun laws that are too relaxed….but to ban all guns in all situations…i don’t think so. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Wow, you are for gun control? Shocking! Especially since this contradicts your previous “thesis” that relaxed gun laws reduce violence!
Also, if a student in one of the classrooms that the VT killer went int would have had a gun, and say another student had it too, I don’t think there would have been much confusion as to who they should be shooting at. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Yeah, we can see it now. Students with guns. Tell me, how well has that worked in inner cities, before they put in metal detectors?
You’re an idiot.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:54 pmPoor nully, is so mentally r*t*rded, he can’t differentiate his “opinion” from “statistic”.
I’ll help you out nully, statistics involve math and smart people – neither of which is remotely similar to you!
April 18th, 2007 at 5:55 pmvalaint….aka hateful racist pig…
child, son, little one, poor fool, just keep on posting your rants and hateful full or stereotypes posts…..
they are funny to read and they only show what a buffoon you are.
you are good for one thing my little one….to be pointed at and laughed at…
post away, son, post for my amusement oh hateful racist one.
“Poor thing, what’s wrong, nothing better to do with your time than to spread hate, bigotry and ignorance?”
does your stupidity have no end? do you read the hateful crap you write to anyone you disagree with or you brand a right winger? child, it is sad that you can’t see that the only one doing any projection of how they behave is you….
regardless talking to you is wasting valuable time….just post away and once in a blue moon i’ll write to you to make you go all vile and hateful on me, it is fun to control your tiny mind and have you post hateful sh…t
much love son, remember, I think as highly of you and your posts as you think of me and my posts.
love a peace brother.
hahahahahahaha!!! you amuse kid!
April 18th, 2007 at 5:57 pmNully, thanks for the response, though I don’t agree that there wouldn’t be confusion. We’re talking about people who, though not children, are still immature in many ways. (And no, that’s not an insult, I’m talking about a lack of “life experience”) I’ll go one step farther, not only would there be confusion, I believe there would be outright panic. Guns + immature people + panic = disaster. No need for the keg!
April 18th, 2007 at 5:57 pmReally, I know don’t know any adults who carry a gun to work, why should it be ok for students to carry guns to school?
#226..
Lily,
remember that our military and actually most military in the worlds don’t believe that an 18 year old is too young or immature to handle guns.
I do know people that own guns, but don’t carry them into work, but I do know people that have guns in their cars and that having a gun in their car has saved their life.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:04 pmvalaint….aka hateful racist pig… Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
Another projection… Sigh… So predictable it becomes boring. Zzzz….
child, son, little one, poor fool, just keep on posting your rants and hateful full or stereotypes posts….. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
Says the wingnut with his hateful – full of stereotype posts…
More projections…. Boring…
they are funny to read and they only show what a buffoon you are. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
More projections…. Boring….
you are good for one thing my little one….to be pointed at and laughed at… Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
Nice to know that your subconscious realizes how you look here, even if you don’t. More projections…. Boring….
post away, son, post for my amusement oh hateful racist one. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
More projections…. Boring….
does your stupidity have no end? Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
More projections…. Boring….
Still waiting for your statistics. Nice of you to let your silence admit you lied, and don’t have them.
do you read the hateful crap you write to anyone you disagree with or you brand a right winger?Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
More projections…. Boring… Coming from the person that brands everyone they disagree with… Sad….
child, it is sad that you can’t see that the only one doing any projection of how they behave is you…. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
More projections…. Boring….
regardless talking to you is wasting valuable time….Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
More projections…. Boring….
just post away and once in a blue moon i’ll write to you to make you go all vile and hateful on me, it is fun to control your tiny mind and have you post hateful sh…t Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
More projections…. Boring….
much love son, remember, I think as highly of you and your posts as you think of me and my posts. love a peace brother. hahahahahahaha!!! you amuse kid! Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
Just Boring….
Still waiting for a single *fact* to back up those *statistics* you claim exists….
Liar.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:06 pmremember that our military and actually most military in the worlds don’t believe that an 18 year old is too young or immature to handle guns. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
Under supervision – something you clearly need – CHILD!
I do know people that own guns, but don’t carry them into work, but I do know people that have guns in their cars and that having a gun in their car has saved their life. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
More anecdotal b*llsh*t – yet you still post no *facts* to back up your claims.
Liar.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:07 pmvaliant, aka hateful racist pig…
I will give you a chance to do research on your own and find the statistics that prove that cities that have relaxed gun control laws have less crime, murder, rapes, etc, etc. (you know the type of crime racist pigs like you live for) than the cities that have tougher gun control laws….
here I’ll even give you the chance to prove me wrong…c’mon son, I dare you to prove me wrong….
April 18th, 2007 at 6:08 pmComment#220; I think that the statistics do support Nully, but You’ll have to do your own research because I cannot remember the specifics. Regardless of whether or not this is true, let’s try to remember why we consider the right to bear arms so important. Most freedom’s come with a price, sometimes safety.
When ever we loose our precious freedom’s its alway’s ‘for our own safety.’ In a society that values it’s freedom as highly as we do, we sometimes accept the cost, which just might mean living in a less safe society. If we put people in cages, we can keep them safe, make all their decisions for them ( because we know what’s best), but most people wouldn’t want to live that way. We’d rather face the dangers, make our own decisions and live free.
I do believe that firearms, in the hands of the young adults or the security staff, would have prevented most of the deaths in the massacre. But, even if that weren’t so, I’d still rather live in a society that allows me the respect to defend myself and my family.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:13 pmStill waiting nully on those statistics.
So far you high on useless propaganda claims, and low on facts..
Still waiting son, for you to stop attacking, and demonstrating your own bigotry, and supply useful facts…
Tic, Toc, son, you’re getting an “F”.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:14 pmvaliant, aka hateful racist pig… Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
More projection…. Boring…. Zzzz….
I will give you a chance to do research on your own and find the statistics that prove that cities that have relaxed gun control laws have less crime, murder, rapes, etc, etc. (you know the type of crime racist pigs like you live for) than the cities that have tougher gun control laws…. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
Translation: null lied, and instead of supplying facts that prove his point, he pretends like “research” will turn up what doesn’t exist.
Sorry nully, you claim this is a well known fact – prove it.
here I’ll even give you the chance to prove me wrong…c’mon son, I dare you to prove me wrong…. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
You’re wrong. There done.
You can’t supply facts to back up your arguments, so therefore you’re proven wrong.
See SON, without guns, no gun homicides would exist. So increasing guns, doesn’t lower gun deaths – duhh…
You’re really st*pid, child.
You don’t have facts, so you lie, then when called on your lie, you say it’s my duty to refute statistics you won’t cite?
BAHAHAHAHA, what a st*pid little lying piece of sh*t you are!! Redneck!
April 18th, 2007 at 6:17 pmComment#220; I think that the statistics do support Nully, but You’ll have to do your own research because I cannot remember the specifics. Comment by kirkmcquest — April 18, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
Don’t make the claims, if it can’t be supported with a cited reference.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:18 pmvalaint, aka racist hateful pig…
here is a teaser, a peak into what you so ignorantly do not know…
go get an education you racist pig….
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/st/st176/s176c.html
now go do your own homework and find out how incredibly wrong you are.
it must suck for you to wake up each morning and find out that you are still you oh racist hateful pig…..
educate yourself and then maybe you will be an intellectual challenge, until then you are but a sad, pathetic joke….
April 18th, 2007 at 6:18 pm#234 valaint, aka racist hateful pig…
let me know when you stop eating your hateful, uneducated, ill-informed words, ok?
April 18th, 2007 at 6:19 pmIt’s a bit of a stretch comparing an 18 year old with a gun in the military and an 18 year old with a gun in school. There’s also a huge difference between keeping a gun in your car or at home, and walking around a campus with one.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:20 pmvalaint, aka racist hateful pig…
here is a teaser, a peak into what you so ignorantly do not know…
go get an education you racist pig….
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/st/st176/s176c.html
I said cite a non-biased research. This is a wingnut sight that’s as unreliable as you are st*p*d.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:21 pmlily,
I hope to god no one is carrying a gun to where I work.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:21 pmvaliant, aka racist hateful pig…
i think your mommy is calling you now, please let the adults talk and go away. you are obviously clueless.
what a waste of air and brain cells you are……
educationg yourself will be the start of you sounding like an intelligent human being. it will be tough and hard, but you can do it son, you can….
April 18th, 2007 at 6:21 pmIsn’t it beautiful how the globalist NWO is playing off people against each other to slowly take away your rights and destroy the constitution?
Preying on fear and emotions is soooo easy. Look where it got you after 9/11.
Wake up people. Goverments do NOT protect, they oppress. The globalists and politicians don’t care about making you safe, they only care about making you slaves.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:22 pm#234 valaint, aka racist hateful pig…
let me know when you stop eating your hateful, uneducated, ill-informed words, ok? Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
Says the wingnut that doesn’t know the NCPA is one step short of a neo-nazi organization… hate indeed. An emotion that seems to drive your very existence. Sad….
April 18th, 2007 at 6:23 pmvaliant, aka racist pig…
i get it any site that disagrees with ou is a right wing nut site, and anything that agrees with your warped, racist mind is ok…
little one, why are you so stupid? you have been proven wrong, get down on your knees and eat sh….t
just post away son, post and make me laugh you worthless piece of hateful, racist sh….t
amuse me son, amuse me with your immense stupidity. that is all you can do, amuse those that know much more than you and are better educated than you.
c’mon son, what are ou waiting for, obey like the good mindless left wing uneducated drone you are…..post and amuse me kid.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:24 pmI’ll give you a hint nully, any organization funded by the Scaife foundation is about as honest as Abramoff.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:24 pm#242valaitn, aka racist hateful pig…
good obedient dog, you know how to follow orders well….again racist pig….type and amuse me with your immense stupidity. post so I may laugh at your stupidity.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:27 pmvaliant, aka racist pig… i get it any site that disagrees with ou is a right wing nut site, and anything that agrees with your warped, racist mind is ok… Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
No a wingnut site is one funded by the Scaife foundation. This post from you is the product of the warped, racist mind.
little one, why are you so stupid? you have been proven wrong, get down on your knees and eat sh….t Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
Projection…. Boring… This proves nothing, hatemonger.
just post away son, post and make me laugh you worthless piece of hateful, racist sh….t Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
Yeah, nothing *hateful* about that. Projection… Boring…
amuse me son, amuse me with your immense stupidity. that is all you can do, amuse those that know much more than you and are better educated than you. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
Says the poor wingnut, that doesn’t know ncpa is a far right wingnut resource, tied to the most dishonest man in american politics and his foundation – the Scaife Foundation.
c’mon son, what are ou waiting for, obey like the good mindless left wing uneducated drone you are…..post and amuse me kid. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
Says the wingnut that trusts the NCPA.
Sorry wingnut, but go get a *legitimate* and *unbiased* resource, and come back to me.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:27 pmnully, youve been owned.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:28 pmvaliant, aka racist hateful pig… Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
Projection… Boring…
i think your mommy is calling you now, please let the adults talk and go away. you are obviously clueless. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
Juvenile, Projection…. Boring…
what a waste of air and brain cells you are…… Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
Projection…. Boring….
educationg yourself will be the start of you sounding like an intelligent human being. it will be tough and hard, but you can do it son, you can…. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
Says the wingnut that can’t distinguish *statistics* from a propaganda piece put out by wingnut sites.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:29 pm#244 valiant, aka racist pig
good, again obedient dog, post again…I am laughing at your immense stupidity and lack of education.
post so that I may once again laugh at how moronic and hateful you are…..
oh you poor liberal trash…it most suck so bad to be you and for you to know how wrong you are and how right I am…denying on here all you want, but you are too much of a coward to admit it…….I am right and you are wrong…
admit it pig, admit it and be the man you so much refuse to be….c’mon racist pig…
April 18th, 2007 at 6:29 pm#244 valiant, aka racist pig Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
Projection. Nothing *hateful* about calling someone else a sub-human species.
good, again obedient dog, post again…I am laughing at your immense stupidity and lack of education. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
Says the ignorant person, calling another human a sub-human species, while ignoring he can’t tell the difference from statistics and propaganda. Amusing.
post so that I may once again laugh at how moronic and hateful you are….. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
Don’t forget to look in the mirror, it’ll speed up the humor!
oh you poor liberal trash…it most suck so bad to be you and for you to know how wrong you are and how right I am…denying on here all you want, but you are too much of a coward to admit it…….I am right and you are wrong… Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
You only posted one b*llsh*t propaganda website that had a couple of anecdotal references, and dismissal of hard research others had done.
Sorry son, but you posting this link as your *evidence*, just proves how unworthy you are to discuss the matter. You have my utter pity.
admit it pig, admit it and be the man you so much refuse to be….c’mon racist pig… Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
Project much SON? ;) How sad for you. You have my pity. Don’t go crazy and shoot up a school, ok wingnut?
April 18th, 2007 at 6:34 pmvaliant, aka racist hateful pig….
retard, leftwing nut, racist pig do the math you coward…..
which State has more crimes New York, or Texas? percentage rat, not numbers, percentage….now rat, which State has tough gun control laws…..
ahhhh…c’mon now, don’t cry since you have been proven wrong rat.
here is another one for you rat….which city has higher percentage of crimes a city like Los Angeles, Chicago, New York city all with very tough gun control laws or cities in Virginia, the Carolinas, all with relaxed gun control laws…..
ouch, care to get down on your knees and beg for forgiveness…or does your retarded brain still think that you are right? c’mon rat….what’s the matter, not man enough to admit you are wrong?
not educated enough to read statistics and admit how wrong you are?
or just too stupid to realize when you have lost and all you can do is repeat same old leftwing nut job talking points?
which one is it son?
April 18th, 2007 at 6:35 pmvalaint, aka racist hateful pig…
leftwingnut job, do tell everyone here what is a “legitimate” site according to you? c’mon son…..(this should be quite comical) Legitimate to a wacko like valaint the racist pig is Michael Moore, or the ACLU, Al Gore, right? c’mon son, what is a legitimate site for you…..prove how honest you are…..yes an oxymoron when speaking to a rat like you…..
April 18th, 2007 at 6:37 pm“Project much SON? ;) How sad for you. You have my pity. Don’t go crazy and shoot up a school, ok wingnut?
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — April 18, 2007 @ 6:34 pm”
you are one funny racist hateful pig….man thank you for the laughs tonight, thank you. You keep on proving with each post how much of an ignorant fool you are. Don’t worry, I pity you as much as you pity me. I would even go a step further and I would pray so your stop being such an uneducated fool, but I know that you will start melting and I am a compassionate guy, wouldn’t want you to start screaming and yelling….”I am melting, I am melting….” hahahaha!!!
you are funny kid…….you do amuse me though
April 18th, 2007 at 6:40 pmSays the ignorant person, calling another human a sub-human species, while ignoring he can’t tell the difference from statistics and propaganda. Amusing.
post so that I may once again laugh at how moronic and hateful you are….. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
c’mon valaitn, aka racist hateful pig….just like the nazis were not human beings, you aren’t one either….you and I both know that, don’t deny it you coward….
just be the man you refuse to be and admit that you are wrong…..c’mon son, it will take you closer to becoming a man…I know it hurts, but put your pride aside and admit to the fact taht you have been taken to school my little rat.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:42 pm“I’m sure that when he realized he was the only person in the room with a gun that allowed him to switch to “execution style†rather than “OK Corral styleâ€. Here we have an EXECUTOINER walking about with complete impunity and common sense completely evades you.”
Considering he was a psychopath, he probably wasn’t capable of anything level headed even in calm and comfortable situations.
And you never really know whether or not someone is going to use force against you, so your theory isn’t valid.
“Since when is defending yourself by equal force evil or bad? ”
Show me where I said that… (hint: I didn’t)
“Regardless you’re a fool to rely on the police since they most often arrive after the bodies hit the floor.
Comment by Saywho — April 18, 2007 @ 5:06 pm”
You missed my point. It’s not about relying on police – it’s about the fact that trained people cannot shoot with high precision under stress.
Rachel, if this is you, because it fits… piss off. If it’s not, then it’s odd that you went from being thoughtful last week to knee-jerk this week…
April 18th, 2007 at 6:43 pmComment by nully
What a fscking loon.
Sheesh.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:43 pmvaliant, aka racist hateful pig….
retard, leftwing nut, racist pig do the math you coward….. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
Says the hateful person that thinks controlling guns increases violence! BAHAHAAH, do the math indeed!
which State has more crimes New York, or Texas? percentage rat, not numbers, percentage….now rat, which State has tough gun control laws….. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
Homicide rates have skyrocketed in Texas (particularly their cities) in the last year. Are you going to say that it’s because they reduced their gun controls?
ahhhh…c’mon now, don’t cry since you have been proven wrong rat. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
Project much? Do you see yourself as an animal, not a human? Or do you dehumanize your *enemy*, to make it easier to *kill* them? See, I see you as a misguided person – all you can do is spew hate, venom and slurs at how I’m not human. Sad. What a twisted little soul you are. Such a baby!
here is another one for you rat….which city has higher percentage of crimes a city like Los Angeles, Chicago, New York city all with very tough gun control laws or cities in Virginia, the Carolinas, all with relaxed gun control laws….. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
BAHAHA, you compare second rate tiny villages, with major urban cities? The reason those cities have gun control, is that they already had HIGH CRIMES before the enacted the laws. It’s called “cause and effect”, and this sort of ‘dumb logic’, is why the NCPA propaganda is so st*pid! As are the fools, like you, that believe the b*llsh*t!
The reason gun control laws went into effect in the cities, came directly from the pre-existing high homicide rates before they were enacted.
ouch, care to get down on your knees and beg for forgiveness…or does your retarded brain still think that you are right? c’mon rat….what’s the matter, not man enough to admit you are wrong? Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
Says the little boy that thinks comparing a 3rd rate village, to a huge city when discussing crime rates is a statistical victory! Sorry, son, but you aren’t an adult, or a (wo)man. You’re a misguided child…
not educated enough to read statistics and admit how wrong you are? Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
I’m quite good at statistics. For instance, if you looked at the rate at which homicides are increasing before gun control went into effect, and compared that to the rate of increase afterwards, that might be of relevance. Or depending on whether you’re measuring cities in the same ‘class’ (as in size).
or just too stupid to realize when you have lost and all you can do is repeat same old leftwing nut job talking points? which one is it son? Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
Says the little boy/girl that can’t tell he’s spouting talking points, and has yet to discuss the *statistics* of gun control! How sad, you actually *believe* you’re smart! That’s humorous!!!
April 18th, 2007 at 6:45 pmValaint, aka racist pig…..
it is well known that racist pigs like you are sub-human. They portray their own insecurity and lack of education unto others.
you fit the bill perfectly son……you do. hahahaha!!! I am laughing at you kid, thanks for amusing me this evening, it was fun oh hateful, racist pig like.
as they say kid, if the shoe fits, wear it….you and I both know you are a racist pig, you admitted so with each and everone of your posts. don’t be such a coward, at least be the man you refuse to be and admit that you are not only ill-informed, but also a racist rat. You are no different than the nazis that killed million of jews.
incredible that rats like valiant love to spew hate against anyone they disagree with, but run like the rats they are when they are treated the same way they treat others. hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! the true sign of a coward, Valiant the coward…..
April 18th, 2007 at 6:45 pmwayne,
I was only treating Valiant like he treats everyone else that he disagrees with. Like the typical coward that loves to spew hate, he couldn’t stand the heat and ran away.
so if am a fu…..ing loon, well I was only acting like valiant……
April 18th, 2007 at 6:47 pmc’mon valaitn, aka racist hateful pig….just like the nazis were not human beings, you aren’t one either….you and I both know that, don’t deny it you coward…. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
Actually the Nazis were the ones that thought the Jews weren’t humans. Americans never thought the Nazis were anything but Human. It’s why they were put on trial, and tried for their crimes as one would do for a human. Then again, the nazis were wingnuts, just like you are.
just be the man you refuse to be and admit that you are wrong…..c’mon son, it will take you closer to becoming a man…I know it hurts, but put your pride aside and admit to the fact taht you have been taken to school my little rat. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
BAHAHAHAHAHA, taken to school? Maybe reminded exactly how ignorant, and easily misled children like you are…
Like I said, when you post a *statistic*, or a *fact*, other than claiming big cities have more crime than smaller cities for the most part – DUH, we’ll talk.
Until then, you lose, but you’re too st*pid to know it. How sad for you… Pathetic child… You have my pity – you sure need it!
April 18th, 2007 at 6:48 pmDamn, I wish that people would read the ENTIRE 2nd Amendment!
Wayne, I agree with your estimation of nully. The loon’s screen name should be changed to ‘voidy’.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:48 pm“Says the little boy/girl that can’t tell he’s spouting talking points, and has yet to discuss the *statistics* of gun control! How sad, you actually *believe* you’re smart! That’s humorous!!!
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — April 18, 2007 @ 6:45 pm”
BWAHAHAHAH, our resident rat and coward is crying about someone else spouting talking points? hahahahaha!! oh sh….t you can’t make this stuff up, you just can’t…..hahahahahahhahahahaha!!!! look in the mirror lately racist rat?
you are starting to bore me with your stupidity child….please try to bring the level of your posts to that of adults or you will no longer get my attention little one………..
April 18th, 2007 at 6:50 pm“funny enough, my best friend who is a cop told me that a well trained gun owner will hit the bull eyes 10 times out of 10.”
Not all gun owners are well-trained.
Shooting at paper targets is hardly the same as shooting in the dark at 3:00 am in your pajamas after being awakened. You can’t compare the two.
10 out of 10? Not even 4 out of 4 dentists can agree about chewing gum. I think you exaggerate.
“I think your cop friend was trying to instill fear in your and it looks like he did a good job.”
The guy had facts and statistics, so I’m going with him.
He wasn’t trying to instill fear – just the opposite. He was trying to educate. The realities of who actually gets hurt in such situations is usually the person with a gun.
He said that yelling “The police are on their way” and cocking a rifle will scare away 99% of the ‘bad guys’.
He was logical – and you aren’t, so I go with him.
“but no surprise that youa re a teacher AND a liberal….
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 5:15 pm”
Yes, no surprise, because you neocons won’t do it (though I think you CAN’T handle it is more likely) . You won’t raise your own children either…
April 18th, 2007 at 6:51 pmValaint, aka racist pig….. it is well known that racist pigs like you are sub-human. They portray their own insecurity and lack of education unto others. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:45 pm
Spoken like a nazi wingnut. Right wingnuts always feel this way, it’s why you act so inhumanely to your fellow man. Sad.
you fit the bill perfectly son……you do. hahahaha!!! I am laughing at you kid, thanks for amusing me this evening, it was fun oh hateful, racist pig like. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:45 pm
You think I’m hateful, and you say I’m not a human being? Yeah, nothing psycho about that!
as they say kid, if the shoe fits, wear it….you and I both know you are a racist pig, you admitted so with each and everone of your posts. don’t be such a coward, at least be the man you refuse to be and admit that you are not only ill-informed, but also a racist rat. You are no different than the nazis that killed million of jews. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:45 pm
The nazis killed those jews, because they didn’t think they were human – your values, not mine. Then again, the nazis were bigoted right wingnuts just lik eyou.
incredible that rats like valiant love to spew hate against anyone they disagree with, but run like the rats they are when they are treated the same way they treat others. hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! the true sign of a coward, Valiant the coward….. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:45 pm
More projection. Coward.
You can’t even admit I’m a human being – how sad for you, that you’re so insane. You know, I bet your friend at Va. tech felt the same way about the ‘elitist’ students he shot. Go read his letters, they sound like you.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:51 pmBWAHAHAHAH, our resident rat and coward is crying about someone else spouting talking points? hahahahaha!! oh sh….t you can’t make this stuff up, you just can’t…..hahahahahahhahahahaha!!!! look in the mirror lately racist rat? Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
All you’ve done is spout talking points, and when I say back them up, all you can post are talking point wingnut sites. More projection. Sad.
you are starting to bore me with your stupidity child….please try to bring the level of your posts to that of adults or you will no longer get my attention little one……….. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
Blah, Blah, Blah, boring…
April 18th, 2007 at 6:52 pm“Until then, you lose, but you’re too st*pid to know it. How sad for you… Pathetic child… You have my pity – you sure need it!
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — April 18, 2007 @ 6:48 pm”
taken to school? I lose? hahahahahahaha!!! you poor maniac, you poor, poor maniac….son, if it helps your self-esteem, if it helps you sleep better at night to believe you “won” something, by all means little one, I don’t want to hurt your fragile feelings, believe you won….bwahahahahahahahaha!!!
obviously you are too stupid to realize when you have lost, you are obviously not man enough to realize when to back away from a fight you have lost. I take it you were the child in the playground that got punched to a bloody pulp day in and out and came back for more since you didn’t know when to quit.
poor you……don’t worry kid, I pity you as much as you pity me…..you see at least we agree on something….hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!! :)
April 18th, 2007 at 6:53 pm“Nully #199 So many words, so little content.
Comment by Juan C — April 18, 2007 @ 5:35 pm”
LOL!
April 18th, 2007 at 6:54 pmWelcome to the new wild wild west!!!!
Disgusting.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:54 pm“funny enough, my best friend who is a cop told me that a well trained gun owner will hit the bull eyes 10 times out of 10.â€
That is rich.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:57 pmI know no one that can hit the bullseye 10 out of 10 with a handgun. Sniper rifle with a scope maybe, taking well aimed shots, but not with a handgun.
And I am a crack shot with either, I say bullsh*t.
valiant….were the nazis, the racist nazis humans? of course not….you act and spew the same hate they did, therefore, you are not a human being. Like every racits rat that I have ever encoutred in my life, you are a but a poor coward……
and what are you crying about statistics, all you have done is spew your so called logic, not ONE statistic sited to back up your ill-informed views. typical of a leftwing nutjob to beg for statistics and sites yet they refuse to give their own.
man you are boring, I mean sh…t guy, at least show that you are worthy of having your posts responded to….I would hate to hurt you tiny feelings, but all this blather for you is now getting quite boring….
stop crying about statistis, you were the one that started begging for them, ,I gave you one and since it didn’t agree with yoru nazi like thought process you claimed it was not worth anything….
I asked for you to site and show your statistics and all you have done is rant and rave like a crazy lunatic….c’mon child, stop boring me and do something intelligent now, ok? :)
April 18th, 2007 at 7:01 pm“I wonder why the students didn’t take any action against the gunman as he was shooting them one by one — even though he had to stop and reload? Maybe because they been taught (by the left) to be passive and to wait until the government or some other authority comes to take care of them? Why was the only person to take action (and save lives) an Israeli holocaust survivor? ”
I see it a different way. I see it as a culture who hasn’t been taught to think for themselves and learn how to function in real life situations because the conservatives are always over-protecting them to their detriment. You punish them for independent thought, and then wonder why they cower like lemmings when they are put into real situations.
Teachers might be mostly liberal, but Administrations are mostly conservative. You know – the people who are militant in their belief that you suppress individuality?
Your side can’t have it both ways. Either you allow children the room for critical thought, or you watch while they are incapable, in these situations to DO anything…
“Seems like the pacifist left has succeeded in suppressing the survival instinct in our youth — and thus we can expect more of the same: deranged murderers meeting almost no resistance until the “authorities†get there. And much higher body counts as a result.
Comment by Cynicon Implant — April 18, 2007 @ 5:50 pm”
You really need to read some Science books.
You’re the party of fear. What happens when people are afraid? Higher brain functions shut OFF and people resort to fight or flight. Scare them more and they pee their pants and pray to some invisible sky daddy who they believe will help them so that they don’t have to do anything.
I see it all the time. People in the Bible Belt where I grew up always say “God will fix it/save it/help me/take care of it” and it sets them up to be passive.
Pacifism isn’t the same as passivism.
Liberals are generally pacifists (i.e. defensive when required) while conservatives are mostly passive – which is why they send other people to fight their imaginary battles.
April 18th, 2007 at 7:04 pmwell valiant, aka racist, nazi pig….
you bore me child….i have to get going….thanks for the laughs though…
just remember, anything and everything you think and say about my posts and though process, is the same exact thing I think about you and your posts….
much love brother….. :)
oh man, so easy to play with the mind of hateful, racist, nazi like left wing lunatics, way too easy.
valiant, I need a better challenge tomorrow, please try to bring your ace game tomorrow, this became quite boring. I think reading your posts brought down my IQ from 180 to 160. c’mon son, you need to do better tomorrow ok?
take now and if you start feeling that you are melting it is because I prayed for you tonight, ok? hahahahahhahaahahhahaahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
you know what the sad part is….that valiant the racist coward thinks that he won something and that he is intelligent! oh man, thanks for the laugh valiant, you made the evening go quite fast, even though you became quite boring at the end…..
love ya brother! keep the peace and your gun!!! :)
April 18th, 2007 at 7:06 pm“Don’t make the claims, if it can’t be supported with a cited reference.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — April 18, 2007 @ 6:18 pm”
Amen! :)
April 18th, 2007 at 7:07 pmvaliant….were the nazis, the racist nazis humans? of course not….you act and spew the same hate they did, therefore, you are not a human being. Like every racits rat that I have ever encoutred in my life, you are a but a poor coward…… Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
A coward would be someone that so dehumanizes another, they believe than can just blindly kill them because they aren’t human. Someone of courage, looks at a loser, a fool, and a disgusting person like yourself, and says yes, despite all of your hateful, disgusting behavior you are a human.
It was the Nazis that said Jews aren’t human – and by saying and believing what you do – you are no different from them.
and what are you crying about statistics, all you have done is spew your so called logic, not ONE statistic sited to back up your ill-informed views. typical of a leftwing nutjob to beg for statistics and sites yet they refuse to give their own. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
You claimed something, and can’t back it up, except with a site that’s so st*pid, it believes comparing Alexandria Virginia (an upscale neighborhood) with Washington DC. (an impoverished neighborhood with high unemployment and economic issues) is a measure of proof.
man you are boring, I mean sh…t guy, at least show that you are worthy of having your posts responded to….I would hate to hurt you tiny feelings, but all this blather for you is now getting quite boring…. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
More projection… Boring…
stop crying about statistis, you were the one that started begging for them, ,I gave you one and since it didn’t agree with yoru nazi like thought process you claimed it was not worth anything…. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
I’ll help you out wingnut. The nazis were righting wing – wingnuts to be specific. Liberals are “commies”, you righties are the nazis. As is demonstrated by your willingness to dehumanize anyone you disagree with.
I asked for you to site and show your statistics and all you have done is rant and rave like a crazy lunatic….c’mon child, stop boring me and do something intelligent now, ok? :) Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
I’m still waiting on your statistics to back up your claims. So far, all you’ve cited is a site that’s so st*pid it can’t tell the difference between a ‘city’ and the ’suburbs’. Not a good sign for your intellect – son, to use such a dubious source!
April 18th, 2007 at 7:17 pm“more guns more guns! yah, that’s the answer…fools”
“What a bunch of stupid fu*ks. The answer isn’t more guns. Jesus friggin’ Christ,”
“More guns will lead to more deaths. Brilliant. “
April 18th, 2007 at 7:18 pm“well liberal professors in college campus around the USA have blamed 9/11 on the 3,000 victims that died on this horrific day”
complete lie, or your seriously confused.
April 18th, 2007 at 7:18 pmBut mostly we are a dead-souled country, so inured to horror that even when something of incredible violence occurs on our soil, well, heck, we’ve been reminded of 9/11 so often that anything lesser hardly seems worthy of time in our Palm Pilots. For to pay attention means that we must feel compelled to act, and, as we’ve been taught by our government, our media, our culture, what good comes of acting?
What action? Well, for starters, doing something about the madness of the gun laws in the United States. No, guns didn’t make this student wreak violence on Virginia Tech any more than a microphone makes Rush Limbaugh a blowhard. But guns sure made it easier for the violence to occur on such a large scale. As the Rude Pundit’s said before, no one ever heard of a drive-by stabbing.
But to act is anathemic to our war and terrorist-influenced American mindset. God, if we were told to just go about our business after 9/11 and that they only thing we can sacrifice for the war is our peace of mind when we happen to tune to the wrong channels on our digital cable systems, why in the world would we want to do anything for this?
Oh, yeah, there is something we’ll be asked to do. Pray. To whomever. And then continue to eat your fried chicken strips and drink your Diet Cokes.
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
April 18th, 2007 at 7:19 pmjust remember, anything and everything you think and say about my posts and though process, is the same exact thing I think about you and your posts…. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
That’s because all you do is project… sad…
much love brother….. :) Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
Says the schizoid lunatic that claims I’m not a human being, with human rights.
oh man, so easy to play with the mind of hateful, racist, nazi like left wing lunatics, way too easy. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
That’s a contradiction, the nazis are right wing, hateful, and racist just like you.
valiant, I need a better challenge tomorrow, please try to bring your ace game tomorrow, this became quite boring. I think reading your posts brought down my IQ from 180 to 160. c’mon son, you need to do better tomorrow ok? Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
The only think challenging is putting up with your boring repetitive unsubstantiated b*llsh*t. You forgot the decimal point in your IQ, junior.
I did just fine, but you look like a r*t*rded hack. Then again, your posts do speak for themselves!
take now and if you start feeling that you are melting it is because I prayed for you tonight, ok? hahahahhahaahahhahaahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
More schizoid confusion from the wacko that thinks I’m not a human. Why pray for people that aren’t human? Lunatic. Save your prayers for yourself – you need them!
you know what the sad part is….that valiant the racist coward thinks that he won something and that he is intelligent! oh man, thanks for the laugh valiant, you made the evening go quite fast, even though you became quite boring at the end….. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
Won what? You weren’t debating, and there was no contest, and you were tiresomely incompetent as is typical of wingnuts. As for me being intelligent – thanks. I know that was a compliment, veiled as an insult. And you’re right. I am intelligent – a compliment that alas you do not deserve.
love ya brother! keep the peace and your gun!!! :)
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
Another contradiction from the ignorant hillbilly hothead.
April 18th, 2007 at 7:23 pmAs for your statistics nully, I was hoping you’d share more of your wingnut *research*, but clearly you know even less about your beliefs than I had thought… Sad..
You want *real* statistics. You cite Washington DC., so lets look at the *real* effects of gun control on that city. Since gun control can only be applied to the effects of a city that didn’t have it, and the effect is relevant to the starting point. That’s what we mean by *statistics* – junior. Not the smoking-lobby b*llsh*t that ncpa puts out.
Lets go back to the source, at the time the ban was put in place, and see what the statistics were as a result of the ban.
There you have it wingnut. Just one of the many statistics that *prove* the cause and effect of strict gun control on dropping homicide rates.
The more comprehensive the ban, the more the effect.
Sorry chump, but now you really look st*pid.
April 18th, 2007 at 7:27 pmI was in the Army and was assigned as being in the Military Police Corps. I have seen first hand what it is like to have to deal with young people who are assigned weapons. I was in command of a squad that went out on patrol everyday to guard a military installation and have seen first hand the mistakes that can be made even by trained professionals who have years of experience of dealing with firearms. These people train with them and are supervised. It is foolish to think that we will solve any shooting problems by arming kids. Yes they are kids… no matter how much training you give them. If you have any experience with groups of kids you will see them do stupid things without any real thought put behind it. Why in hell would we add firearms into this mix. We don’t even trust them with alcholol until they are 21 and sometimes that seems to early. In regards to the VT incident, we have heard that he was recommended for counseling because of his essays. THIS is were the system broke down. Not whether or not everyone had weapons or decided to throw caution to the wind and rush an armed killing machine. If we were able to catch this young man before he felt that the only way to solve his problems was to get a weapon and wipe out his peers. THIS is where we have failed.
April 18th, 2007 at 7:31 pm“Sorry chump, but now you really look st*pid.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — April 18, 2007 @ 7:27 pm”
The only person who doesn’t think nully is stupid is nully…
Sometimes, I swear, talking to these people is like trying to educate a chicken to do calculus. Though, considering the inane dribble from the far and middle right, I’d bet on the chicken every time…
You cleaned his clock… He’s just too stupid to know it. No wonder why he likes to try to insult those of us with critical thinking skills.. He doesn’t get that he’s making a fool of himself… So delusional.
April 18th, 2007 at 7:32 pmThis is a uniquely American problem.
No other developed country would say, we need more guns to protect ourselves after a gun massacre.
When we had a similar massacre in Australia, we reduced the availability of guns.
Of course, that is only part of the solution. In an unwise society, crazies will have their day.
What surprises me, is that after 9/11, I would have thought law enforcement responses would have been more professional than what happened in VT with people not at least warning students and staff that a murder happened 2 hours earlier.
Martin Gifford.
April 18th, 2007 at 8:01 pmTough talk from people that were not at the shooting. I have no doubt that when the shooting would get started these right wing pundits would be looking for a clean change of underwear just like everyone else.
April 18th, 2007 at 8:01 pmThere was, it was called the million mom march. And the Fright-Wingers had a field day mockign and attackgin Rosie O’Dopnnel over it.
That said, the arm the students and the ban the guns sides are both idiotic knee-jerk stupid ideas, from opposite ends of the psectrum, and neither are pratical, desirable and both would do more harm than good.
April 18th, 2007 at 8:46 pmThose of you espousing that tired honest gun toting civilain will clean house logic are in my opinion ridiculous beyond my capacity to even give the benefit of the doubt to. Grow a male organ and you will need your guns less. You just watched too much tv and think action films reflect real life. Those of you who acknowledge the ridiculousness of our cultures love affair with the mistaken belief that a firearm enlarges masculinity are on the right path but maybe mistaken in believing the answer lies in legislation. Show by example how enlightened conflict resolution benefits all. In time change will occur and our children will no longer know the moronic uniquely American love affair with firearms. I trust that these same children will understand the time and place for a well armed militia so don’t bother giving me that bullshit excuse either. All respect to those whose gun ownership supports the legitimate and honorable activity of hunting for food. Screw you who just like to kill shit.
April 18th, 2007 at 9:21 pmShe’s a shifty-eyed slag.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:51 amhere is another one for you rat….which city has higher percentage of crimes a city like Los Angeles, Chicago, New York city all with very tough gun control laws or cities in Virginia, the Carolinas, all with relaxed gun control laws…..
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
For nully’s information, I read that at one point 48% of gun-related crimes in New York City were committed with guns purchased in Virginia and 90% of the guns used in crimes in New York originated from out-of-state. Hence, Bloomberg’s lawsuit against out of state gun dealers.
BTW, doesn’t ‘nully’ sound a lot like ‘captain kirk’ with all of that verbal abuse he/she spews? So full of hate! I hope someone is keeping an eye on that person!
April 19th, 2007 at 10:00 amNothing makes a dumb idea look good like an even dumber idea: legacy of the Bush syndicate.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:32 amyou are starting to bore me with your stupidity child….please try to bring the level of your posts to that of adults or you will no longer get my attention little one………..
Comment by nully
Is the RNC hiring trolls in trailer parks now? I doubt this idiot has a double digit IQ.
April 19th, 2007 at 3:03 pmThe Left never misses an opportunity to take the wrong side on an issue. More gun control?? Naturally, Progs NEVER point to the school administrator in Pearl, Mississippi who had to run 1/4 mile to his car, retrieve his licensed gun and subdue the murdering kids who opened fire on classmates. US cities with THE highest incidents of lawlessness and murder have the most stringent anti-gun legislation. If your home is invaded by an intruder you could well be dead before the police arrive. My motto: an armed society is a polite society.
A personal note to despondent mental cases everywhere: If you are unable to cope with life, if you hate anyone who got the dream date while you were a wallflower, if you hate the rich as you’ve been taught by the PC establishment, if you have no wish to obtain treatment with mental health professionals and if you have an overwhelming desire to end your pain – please go off by yourself and do so. But would you be so kind as to please stop taking innocent people with you.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:21 pmThe gun control wackos want to level the playing field. Sociologically, they think criminals got a raw deal – so they’ll ban lawful citizens from owning guns and let the criminals even the score…….
April 20th, 2007 at 1:52 am23 Dang you shoot at 50 meters what kind of gun do you use? Certainly not a pistol. 50 meters is also a little further away than anyone in a class room. Just sayin ya know.
26 in those situations everybody usually just points at the bad guys. It is amazing how quick the good guys stop fighting when the swat team comes through the door. But in reality it is usually over so fast that SWAT or any LEO gets there way to late to do any good.
138 Cho was legally forbidden from buying a gun in Virginia. He was able to lie and get away with it because the background check only requires criminal activity not serious mental health concerns. But technically he used an illegal gun because he wasn’t allowed to buy one.
189 Target shooting is relative to what type of target shooting, you are doing. I have to take a test every year that requires me to shoot left handed at times, lean around barricades, kneel down and shoot, all of it is done under time limits. I usually miss a few times. But when I am alone in the target range just shooting paper bad guys while standing comfortably I shoot with the best of the civilian shooters. Oh and don’t even think that the best shooters are police officers. Most police officers work too hard to spend the time required to become great shooters. Now some of those privately employed guys can shoot pretty good.
235 Did they have unarmed security in the building? I have never understood how schools get away with that. I mean you hire security people to protect the students but then leave them unarmed? How dumb is that?
In my opinion the right person with a gun may have lowered the body count, but that is probably out weighed, by the idea of sending kids off to college with semi’s, loaded with hollow points. We must remember however if we are going to require these students to give up, their constitutional right to have a fire arm, it is the responsibility of the school to make sure no one gets a gun on campus. Or we should have a better trained security force on hand in case something like this happens. This horrible tragedy shows we need to address certain issues, hopefully we can do it in a way that provides a solution instead of name calling and hatred. Perhaps we need to think about a way a psychiatrist can notify police about a dangerous person, before they are allowed to purchase a gun. That may have helped in this situation, but of coarse that is a system that would be very open to abuse. We must never forget that freedom comes with a price. We must be able to defend our selves and our children That is one of the principles on which this country was founded. We can’t let fear overcome that.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:58 amanyone who has been the victom of a violent crime and lived to tell or have nightmares about it, can appreciate the honor and justice of the 2nd amendment, and the appreciation to Gov. & now Pres. Bush and his passage of our concealed carry laws.
May 2nd, 2007 at 12:30 amThe previous Governor to some residents of Texas was against this law, and I unfortunately have her memory to thank for my misfortunate meeting at gunpoint with 2 brothers, age 15 & 18 with whom I begged for my life, gave all I had on me, and found that they took another mans life 1 week later.
I am now, have been since and always be a licensed concealed handgun carrier, and my son who is about to enter college, will be as well. In Texas it is not a “permit” but a license that is not just a “waiting period” under the Brady Bill.
Please dont think that gun owners, concealed carriers, or peace officers as a whole have an agenda. We just want to defend ourselves whenever necessary, wherever necessary…. and that a school, Hospital, or Sporting event are safe just because of numbers
My comments are directed toward those who believe having the Virginia Tech students armed would not have prevented the killer from committing his crimes or reduce the number of people killed.
May 3rd, 2007 at 11:27 pmPeople, there has already been an exposition of studies done on the availability of firearms and the effect it has on criminal elements. See Gary Kleck and John Lott as references. I’d highly recommend Lott’s book More Guns, Less Crime for those of you who go by statistics. It’s a very sobering read.
Second, the police will never serve as an effective 100% security measure on campus. They don’t have the resources to assign a guard for every student and quite frankly, that would lend the university or college atmosphere to being one of a police-state.
Third, there’s seem to be a rather prevelant (and paranoid, I would add) belief that the “common folk” (in this case, students) just can’t handle those nasty firearms or be trusted to use them in a responsible manner. Guess what? Statistically speaking, cops shoot their partners more often than private citizens have accidental discharges. Don’t believe me? Go confirm it yourself with a little research. Your bias is this case is pretty stark.
Fourth, there are no conditions placed on the Second Amendment regarding firearms. It says, and I quote exactly, “the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” That’s pretty cut and dry and there are no limitations on place or the type of gun you can own, for that matter. The Constitution IS the supreme law of the land and if you have an issue with that particular amendment, get over it. And no, I’m not entertaining argurments that the first part of the Second Amendment refers to a collective right. It categorically does not, as shown by the writing of the Founders surrounding the ratification of the Constitution. Every single federal gun control (more like people control) law is a violation of this Amendment. And just because they’re being unlawfully enforced doesn’t justify your emotive feelings on the matter. The only thing these laws disarm are law-abiding citizens.
Fifth, you all have a lot of nerve to infer that other people don’t have the right to defend themselves. If criminals out there are carrying firearms, you’re going to be at a serious disadvantage when trying to repel or even try to escape the attacker. You can make the decision for yourself. If you don’t like firearms, want nothing to do with them, think they are evil, etc., that’s fine. But don’t you dare clamor for stripping me of my right. I was a Virginia Tech student at one time and you know what? I did carry a concealed handgun on campus the entire time I was there. Did I have a permit? No. Do I need to ask permission for something that is my right to exercise in defense of my property (that property being me)? Thank Jehovah I never had to use it, but I would have no hesitation whatsoever to shoot an aggressor who began firing at defenseless students.
Sixth and lastly, so-called “gun-free” zones have always been victim-rich environments. If you want to willingly make yourself an easy victim, that’s your business. Sheeple are preferred by criminals, as they do make easy prey. Handing the responsibility to protect yourself over to government officials or university-appointed police is a sure-fire way to commit suicide by opportunistic criminals. Police have never been (and most likely never will be) held liable for failing to protect you as an individual. So don’t kid yourself, people. Those indiviuals who are pro-active about protecting themeselves and their loved ones will continue to practice that principle regardless of your repeated and refutable assertions that firearms are the root cause of these types of murders.
wow, just wow this made my day. I cant explain how long I laughed at this when I heard about it. I know it wont be passed, it made my day to hear that bush says the guns in skool is a good thing.
May 21st, 2007 at 5:21 pmI have a GLOCK, I CARRY MY GLOCK. Should someone try harm me with a knife, a gun or a bat, I will shoot to kill. Pretty simple. If I ever meet one of you liberals, or one of you liberals jumps in my fox hole; well let’s just say only one of us will be leaving. I can’t believe that liberals are also Americans. You don’t deserve the freedom that was bled over or that people died over. I tell you what, you liberals should just go move to another country before you give mine away.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:12 am