Comments on: Conservatives Take Aim At Bush-Backed Gun Law http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:57:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: FCK YOU LIBERALS http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/comment-page-6/#comment-3819966 FCK YOU LIBERALS Thu, 24 May 2007 15:12:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/#comment-3819966 I have a GLOCK, I CARRY MY GLOCK. Should someone try harm me with a knife, a gun or a bat, I will shoot to kill. Pretty simple. If I ever meet one of you liberals, or one of you liberals jumps in my fox hole; well let's just say only one of us will be leaving. I can't believe that liberals are also Americans. You don't deserve the freedom that was bled over or that people died over. I tell you what, you liberals should just go move to another country before you give mine away. I have a GLOCK, I CARRY MY GLOCK. Should someone try harm me with a knife, a gun or a bat, I will shoot to kill. Pretty simple. If I ever meet one of you liberals, or one of you liberals jumps in my fox hole; well let’s just say only one of us will be leaving. I can’t believe that liberals are also Americans. You don’t deserve the freedom that was bled over or that people died over. I tell you what, you liberals should just go move to another country before you give mine away.

]]> By: Pez http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/comment-page-6/#comment-3814387 Pez Mon, 21 May 2007 21:21:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/#comment-3814387 wow, just wow this made my day. I cant explain how long I laughed at this when I heard about it. I know it wont be passed, it made my day to hear that bush says the guns in skool is a good thing. wow, just wow this made my day. I cant explain how long I laughed at this when I heard about it. I know it wont be passed, it made my day to hear that bush says the guns in skool is a good thing.

]]> By: libertyteeth http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/comment-page-6/#comment-3785947 libertyteeth Fri, 04 May 2007 03:27:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/#comment-3785947 My comments are directed toward those who believe having the Virginia Tech students armed would not have prevented the killer from committing his crimes or reduce the number of people killed. People, there has already been an exposition of studies done on the availability of firearms and the effect it has on criminal elements. See Gary Kleck and John Lott as references. I'd highly recommend Lott's book More Guns, Less Crime for those of you who go by statistics. It's a very sobering read. Second, the police will never serve as an effective 100% security measure on campus. They don't have the resources to assign a guard for every student and quite frankly, that would lend the university or college atmosphere to being one of a police-state. Third, there's seem to be a rather prevelant (and paranoid, I would add) belief that the "common folk" (in this case, students) just can't handle those nasty firearms or be trusted to use them in a responsible manner. Guess what? Statistically speaking, cops shoot their partners more often than private citizens have accidental discharges. Don't believe me? Go confirm it yourself with a little research. Your bias is this case is pretty stark. Fourth, there are no conditions placed on the Second Amendment regarding firearms. It says, and I quote exactly, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." That's pretty cut and dry and there are no limitations on place or the type of gun you can own, for that matter. The Constitution IS the supreme law of the land and if you have an issue with that particular amendment, get over it. And no, I'm not entertaining argurments that the first part of the Second Amendment refers to a collective right. It categorically does not, as shown by the writing of the Founders surrounding the ratification of the Constitution. Every single federal gun control (more like people control) law is a violation of this Amendment. And just because they're being unlawfully enforced doesn't justify your emotive feelings on the matter. The only thing these laws disarm are law-abiding citizens. Fifth, you all have a lot of nerve to infer that other people don't have the right to defend themselves. If criminals out there are carrying firearms, you're going to be at a serious disadvantage when trying to repel or even try to escape the attacker. You can make the decision for yourself. If you don't like firearms, want nothing to do with them, think they are evil, etc., that's fine. But don't you dare clamor for stripping me of my right. I was a Virginia Tech student at one time and you know what? I did carry a concealed handgun on campus the entire time I was there. Did I have a permit? No. Do I need to ask permission for something that is my right to exercise in defense of my property (that property being me)? Thank Jehovah I never had to use it, but I would have no hesitation whatsoever to shoot an aggressor who began firing at defenseless students. Sixth and lastly, so-called "gun-free" zones have always been victim-rich environments. If you want to willingly make yourself an easy victim, that's your business. Sheeple are preferred by criminals, as they do make easy prey. Handing the responsibility to protect yourself over to government officials or university-appointed police is a sure-fire way to commit suicide by opportunistic criminals. Police have never been (and most likely never will be) held liable for failing to protect you as an individual. So don't kid yourself, people. Those indiviuals who are pro-active about protecting themeselves and their loved ones will continue to practice that principle regardless of your repeated and refutable assertions that firearms are the root cause of these types of murders. My comments are directed toward those who believe having the Virginia Tech students armed would not have prevented the killer from committing his crimes or reduce the number of people killed.
People, there has already been an exposition of studies done on the availability of firearms and the effect it has on criminal elements. See Gary Kleck and John Lott as references. I’d highly recommend Lott’s book More Guns, Less Crime for those of you who go by statistics. It’s a very sobering read.
Second, the police will never serve as an effective 100% security measure on campus. They don’t have the resources to assign a guard for every student and quite frankly, that would lend the university or college atmosphere to being one of a police-state.
Third, there’s seem to be a rather prevelant (and paranoid, I would add) belief that the “common folk” (in this case, students) just can’t handle those nasty firearms or be trusted to use them in a responsible manner. Guess what? Statistically speaking, cops shoot their partners more often than private citizens have accidental discharges. Don’t believe me? Go confirm it yourself with a little research. Your bias is this case is pretty stark.
Fourth, there are no conditions placed on the Second Amendment regarding firearms. It says, and I quote exactly, “the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” That’s pretty cut and dry and there are no limitations on place or the type of gun you can own, for that matter. The Constitution IS the supreme law of the land and if you have an issue with that particular amendment, get over it. And no, I’m not entertaining argurments that the first part of the Second Amendment refers to a collective right. It categorically does not, as shown by the writing of the Founders surrounding the ratification of the Constitution. Every single federal gun control (more like people control) law is a violation of this Amendment. And just because they’re being unlawfully enforced doesn’t justify your emotive feelings on the matter. The only thing these laws disarm are law-abiding citizens.
Fifth, you all have a lot of nerve to infer that other people don’t have the right to defend themselves. If criminals out there are carrying firearms, you’re going to be at a serious disadvantage when trying to repel or even try to escape the attacker. You can make the decision for yourself. If you don’t like firearms, want nothing to do with them, think they are evil, etc., that’s fine. But don’t you dare clamor for stripping me of my right. I was a Virginia Tech student at one time and you know what? I did carry a concealed handgun on campus the entire time I was there. Did I have a permit? No. Do I need to ask permission for something that is my right to exercise in defense of my property (that property being me)? Thank Jehovah I never had to use it, but I would have no hesitation whatsoever to shoot an aggressor who began firing at defenseless students.
Sixth and lastly, so-called “gun-free” zones have always been victim-rich environments. If you want to willingly make yourself an easy victim, that’s your business. Sheeple are preferred by criminals, as they do make easy prey. Handing the responsibility to protect yourself over to government officials or university-appointed police is a sure-fire way to commit suicide by opportunistic criminals. Police have never been (and most likely never will be) held liable for failing to protect you as an individual. So don’t kid yourself, people. Those indiviuals who are pro-active about protecting themeselves and their loved ones will continue to practice that principle regardless of your repeated and refutable assertions that firearms are the root cause of these types of murders.

]]> By: David v http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/comment-page-6/#comment-3781279 David v Wed, 02 May 2007 04:30:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/#comment-3781279 anyone who has been the victom of a violent crime and lived to tell or have nightmares about it, can appreciate the honor and justice of the 2nd amendment, and the appreciation to Gov. & now Pres. Bush and his passage of our concealed carry laws. The previous Governor to some residents of Texas was against this law, and I unfortunately have her memory to thank for my misfortunate meeting at gunpoint with 2 brothers, age 15 & 18 with whom I begged for my life, gave all I had on me, and found that they took another mans life 1 week later. I am now, have been since and always be a licensed concealed handgun carrier, and my son who is about to enter college, will be as well. In Texas it is not a "permit" but a license that is not just a "waiting period" under the Brady Bill. Please dont think that gun owners, concealed carriers, or peace officers as a whole have an agenda. We just want to defend ourselves whenever necessary, wherever necessary.... and that a school, Hospital, or Sporting event are safe just because of numbers anyone who has been the victom of a violent crime and lived to tell or have nightmares about it, can appreciate the honor and justice of the 2nd amendment, and the appreciation to Gov. & now Pres. Bush and his passage of our concealed carry laws.
The previous Governor to some residents of Texas was against this law, and I unfortunately have her memory to thank for my misfortunate meeting at gunpoint with 2 brothers, age 15 & 18 with whom I begged for my life, gave all I had on me, and found that they took another mans life 1 week later.
I am now, have been since and always be a licensed concealed handgun carrier, and my son who is about to enter college, will be as well. In Texas it is not a “permit” but a license that is not just a “waiting period” under the Brady Bill.
Please dont think that gun owners, concealed carriers, or peace officers as a whole have an agenda. We just want to defend ourselves whenever necessary, wherever necessary…. and that a school, Hospital, or Sporting event are safe just because of numbers

]]> By: Stalker http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/comment-page-6/#comment-3766039 Stalker Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:58:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/#comment-3766039 23 Dang you shoot at 50 meters what kind of gun do you use? Certainly not a pistol. 50 meters is also a little further away than anyone in a class room. Just sayin ya know. 26 in those situations everybody usually just points at the bad guys. It is amazing how quick the good guys stop fighting when the swat team comes through the door. But in reality it is usually over so fast that SWAT or any LEO gets there way to late to do any good. 138 Cho was legally forbidden from buying a gun in Virginia. He was able to lie and get away with it because the background check only requires criminal activity not serious mental health concerns. But technically he used an illegal gun because he wasn't allowed to buy one. 189 Target shooting is relative to what type of target shooting, you are doing. I have to take a test every year that requires me to shoot left handed at times, lean around barricades, kneel down and shoot, all of it is done under time limits. I usually miss a few times. But when I am alone in the target range just shooting paper bad guys while standing comfortably I shoot with the best of the civilian shooters. Oh and don't even think that the best shooters are police officers. Most police officers work too hard to spend the time required to become great shooters. Now some of those privately employed guys can shoot pretty good. 235 Did they have unarmed security in the building? I have never understood how schools get away with that. I mean you hire security people to protect the students but then leave them unarmed? How dumb is that? In my opinion the right person with a gun may have lowered the body count, but that is probably out weighed, by the idea of sending kids off to college with semi's, loaded with hollow points. We must remember however if we are going to require these students to give up, their constitutional right to have a fire arm, it is the responsibility of the school to make sure no one gets a gun on campus. Or we should have a better trained security force on hand in case something like this happens. This horrible tragedy shows we need to address certain issues, hopefully we can do it in a way that provides a solution instead of name calling and hatred. Perhaps we need to think about a way a psychiatrist can notify police about a dangerous person, before they are allowed to purchase a gun. That may have helped in this situation, but of coarse that is a system that would be very open to abuse. We must never forget that freedom comes with a price. We must be able to defend our selves and our children That is one of the principles on which this country was founded. We can't let fear overcome that. 23 Dang you shoot at 50 meters what kind of gun do you use? Certainly not a pistol. 50 meters is also a little further away than anyone in a class room. Just sayin ya know.
26 in those situations everybody usually just points at the bad guys. It is amazing how quick the good guys stop fighting when the swat team comes through the door. But in reality it is usually over so fast that SWAT or any LEO gets there way to late to do any good.
138 Cho was legally forbidden from buying a gun in Virginia. He was able to lie and get away with it because the background check only requires criminal activity not serious mental health concerns. But technically he used an illegal gun because he wasn’t allowed to buy one.
189 Target shooting is relative to what type of target shooting, you are doing. I have to take a test every year that requires me to shoot left handed at times, lean around barricades, kneel down and shoot, all of it is done under time limits. I usually miss a few times. But when I am alone in the target range just shooting paper bad guys while standing comfortably I shoot with the best of the civilian shooters. Oh and don’t even think that the best shooters are police officers. Most police officers work too hard to spend the time required to become great shooters. Now some of those privately employed guys can shoot pretty good.
235 Did they have unarmed security in the building? I have never understood how schools get away with that. I mean you hire security people to protect the students but then leave them unarmed? How dumb is that?

In my opinion the right person with a gun may have lowered the body count, but that is probably out weighed, by the idea of sending kids off to college with semi’s, loaded with hollow points. We must remember however if we are going to require these students to give up, their constitutional right to have a fire arm, it is the responsibility of the school to make sure no one gets a gun on campus. Or we should have a better trained security force on hand in case something like this happens. This horrible tragedy shows we need to address certain issues, hopefully we can do it in a way that provides a solution instead of name calling and hatred. Perhaps we need to think about a way a psychiatrist can notify police about a dangerous person, before they are allowed to purchase a gun. That may have helped in this situation, but of coarse that is a system that would be very open to abuse. We must never forget that freedom comes with a price. We must be able to defend our selves and our children That is one of the principles on which this country was founded. We can’t let fear overcome that.

]]> By: valiant venus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/comment-page-6/#comment-3759767 valiant venus Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:52:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/#comment-3759767 The gun control wackos want to level the playing field. Sociologically, they think criminals got a raw deal - so they'll ban lawful citizens from owning guns and let the criminals even the score....... The gun control wackos want to level the playing field. Sociologically, they think criminals got a raw deal – so they’ll ban lawful citizens from owning guns and let the criminals even the score…….

]]> By: valiant venus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/comment-page-6/#comment-3759647 valiant venus Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:21:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/#comment-3759647 The Left never misses an opportunity to take the wrong side on an issue. More gun control?? Naturally, Progs NEVER point to the school administrator in Pearl, Mississippi who had to run 1/4 mile to his car, retrieve his licensed gun and subdue the murdering kids who opened fire on classmates. US cities with <strong>THE highest</strong> incidents of lawlessness and murder have the <strong>most</strong> stringent anti-gun legislation. If your home is invaded by an intruder you could well be dead before the police arrive. My motto: an armed society is a polite society. A personal note to despondent mental cases everywhere: If you are unable to cope with life, if you hate anyone who got the dream date while you were a wallflower, if you hate the rich as you've been taught by the PC establishment, if you have no wish to obtain treatment with mental health professionals and if you have an overwhelming desire to end your pain - please go off by yourself and do so. But would you be so kind as to please stop taking innocent people with you. The Left never misses an opportunity to take the wrong side on an issue. More gun control?? Naturally, Progs NEVER point to the school administrator in Pearl, Mississippi who had to run 1/4 mile to his car, retrieve his licensed gun and subdue the murdering kids who opened fire on classmates. US cities with THE highest incidents of lawlessness and murder have the most stringent anti-gun legislation. If your home is invaded by an intruder you could well be dead before the police arrive. My motto: an armed society is a polite society.

A personal note to despondent mental cases everywhere: If you are unable to cope with life, if you hate anyone who got the dream date while you were a wallflower, if you hate the rich as you’ve been taught by the PC establishment, if you have no wish to obtain treatment with mental health professionals and if you have an overwhelming desire to end your pain – please go off by yourself and do so. But would you be so kind as to please stop taking innocent people with you.

]]> By: not impressed with the U.S. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/comment-page-6/#comment-3758835 not impressed with the U.S. Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:03:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/#comment-3758835 you are starting to bore me with your stupidity child….please try to bring the level of your posts to that of adults or you will no longer get my attention little one……….. Comment by nully Is the RNC hiring trolls in trailer parks now? I doubt this idiot has a double digit IQ. you are starting to bore me with your stupidity child….please try to bring the level of your posts to that of adults or you will no longer get my attention little one………..

Comment by nully

Is the RNC hiring trolls in trailer parks now? I doubt this idiot has a double digit IQ.

]]> By: xenon http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/comment-page-6/#comment-3758203 xenon Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:32:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/#comment-3758203 Nothing makes a dumb idea look good like an even dumber idea: legacy of the Bush syndicate. Nothing makes a dumb idea look good like an even dumber idea: legacy of the Bush syndicate.

]]> By: margaret http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/comment-page-6/#comment-3757969 margaret Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:00:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/#comment-3757969 here is another one for you rat….which city has higher percentage of crimes a city like Los Angeles, Chicago, New York city all with very tough gun control laws or cities in Virginia, the Carolinas, all with relaxed gun control laws….. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:35 pm For nully's information, I read that at one point 48% of gun-related crimes in New York City were committed with guns purchased in Virginia and 90% of the guns used in crimes in New York originated from out-of-state. Hence, Bloomberg's lawsuit against out of state gun dealers. BTW, doesn't 'nully' sound a lot like 'captain kirk' with all of that verbal abuse he/she spews? So full of hate! I hope someone is keeping an eye on that person! here is another one for you rat….which city has higher percentage of crimes a city like Los Angeles, Chicago, New York city all with very tough gun control laws or cities in Virginia, the Carolinas, all with relaxed gun control laws…..

Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 6:35 pm

For nully’s information, I read that at one point 48% of gun-related crimes in New York City were committed with guns purchased in Virginia and 90% of the guns used in crimes in New York originated from out-of-state. Hence, Bloomberg’s lawsuit against out of state gun dealers.

BTW, doesn’t ‘nully’ sound a lot like ‘captain kirk’ with all of that verbal abuse he/she spews? So full of hate! I hope someone is keeping an eye on that person!

]]> By: klaus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/comment-page-6/#comment-3757791 klaus Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:51:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/#comment-3757791 She's a shifty-eyed slag. She’s a shifty-eyed slag.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/comment-page-6/#comment-3757430 dbadass Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:21:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/#comment-3757430 Those of you espousing that tired honest gun toting civilain will clean house logic are in my opinion ridiculous beyond my capacity to even give the benefit of the doubt to. Grow a male organ and you will need your guns less. You just watched too much tv and think action films reflect real life. Those of you who acknowledge the ridiculousness of our cultures love affair with the mistaken belief that a firearm enlarges masculinity are on the right path but maybe mistaken in believing the answer lies in legislation. Show by example how enlightened conflict resolution benefits all. In time change will occur and our children will no longer know the moronic uniquely American love affair with firearms. I trust that these same children will understand the time and place for a well armed militia so don't bother giving me that bullshit excuse either. All respect to those whose gun ownership supports the legitimate and honorable activity of hunting for food. Screw you who just like to kill shit. Those of you espousing that tired honest gun toting civilain will clean house logic are in my opinion ridiculous beyond my capacity to even give the benefit of the doubt to. Grow a male organ and you will need your guns less. You just watched too much tv and think action films reflect real life. Those of you who acknowledge the ridiculousness of our cultures love affair with the mistaken belief that a firearm enlarges masculinity are on the right path but maybe mistaken in believing the answer lies in legislation. Show by example how enlightened conflict resolution benefits all. In time change will occur and our children will no longer know the moronic uniquely American love affair with firearms. I trust that these same children will understand the time and place for a well armed militia so don’t bother giving me that bullshit excuse either. All respect to those whose gun ownership supports the legitimate and honorable activity of hunting for food. Screw you who just like to kill shit.

]]> By: lestatdelc http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/comment-page-6/#comment-3757368 lestatdelc Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:46:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/#comment-3757368 <blockquote>#138 Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 4:20 pm</blockquote> There was, it was called the million mom march. And the Fright-Wingers had a field day mockign and attackgin Rosie O'Dopnnel over it. That said, the arm the students and the ban the guns sides are both idiotic knee-jerk stupid ideas, from opposite ends of the psectrum, and neither are pratical, desirable and both would do more harm than good.

#138 Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 4:20 pm

There was, it was called the million mom march. And the Fright-Wingers had a field day mockign and attackgin Rosie O’Dopnnel over it.

That said, the arm the students and the ban the guns sides are both idiotic knee-jerk stupid ideas, from opposite ends of the psectrum, and neither are pratical, desirable and both would do more harm than good.

]]> By: David B http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/comment-page-6/#comment-3757265 David B Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:01:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/#comment-3757265 Tough talk from people that were not at the shooting. I have no doubt that when the shooting would get started these right wing pundits would be looking for a clean change of underwear just like everyone else. Tough talk from people that were not at the shooting. I have no doubt that when the shooting would get started these right wing pundits would be looking for a clean change of underwear just like everyone else.

]]> By: Martin Gifford http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/comment-page-6/#comment-3757264 Martin Gifford Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:01:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/#comment-3757264 <strong>This is a uniquely American problem.</strong> No other developed country would say, we need more guns to protect ourselves after a gun massacre. When we had a similar massacre in Australia, we reduced the availability of guns. Of course, that is only part of the solution. In an unwise society, crazies will have their day. What surprises me, is that after 9/11, I would have thought law enforcement responses would have been more professional than what happened in VT with people not at least warning students and staff that a murder happened 2 hours earlier. Martin Gifford. This is a uniquely American problem.

No other developed country would say, we need more guns to protect ourselves after a gun massacre.

When we had a similar massacre in Australia, we reduced the availability of guns.

Of course, that is only part of the solution. In an unwise society, crazies will have their day.

What surprises me, is that after 9/11, I would have thought law enforcement responses would have been more professional than what happened in VT with people not at least warning students and staff that a murder happened 2 hours earlier.

Martin Gifford.

]]> By: unbelievable http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/comment-page-6/#comment-3757206 unbelievable Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:32:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/#comment-3757206 "Sorry chump, but now you really look st*pid. Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — April 18, 2007 @ 7:27 pm" The only person who doesn't think nully is stupid is nully... Sometimes, I swear, talking to these people is like trying to educate a chicken to do calculus. Though, considering the inane dribble from the far and middle right, I'd bet on the chicken every time... You cleaned his clock... He's just too stupid to know it. No wonder why he likes to try to insult those of us with critical thinking skills.. He doesn't get that he's making a fool of himself... So delusional. “Sorry chump, but now you really look st*pid.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — April 18, 2007 @ 7:27 pm”

The only person who doesn’t think nully is stupid is nully…

Sometimes, I swear, talking to these people is like trying to educate a chicken to do calculus. Though, considering the inane dribble from the far and middle right, I’d bet on the chicken every time…

You cleaned his clock… He’s just too stupid to know it. No wonder why he likes to try to insult those of us with critical thinking skills.. He doesn’t get that he’s making a fool of himself… So delusional.

]]> By: Oldwolf http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/comment-page-6/#comment-3757205 Oldwolf Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:31:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/#comment-3757205 I was in the Army and was assigned as being in the Military Police Corps. I have seen first hand what it is like to have to deal with young people who are assigned weapons. I was in command of a squad that went out on patrol everyday to guard a military installation and have seen first hand the mistakes that can be made even by trained professionals who have years of experience of dealing with firearms. These people train with them and are supervised. It is foolish to think that we will solve any shooting problems by arming kids. Yes they are kids... no matter how much training you give them. If you have any experience with groups of kids you will see them do stupid things without any real thought put behind it. Why in hell would we add firearms into this mix. We don't even trust them with alcholol until they are 21 and sometimes that seems to early. In regards to the VT incident, we have heard that he was recommended for counseling because of his essays. THIS is were the system broke down. Not whether or not everyone had weapons or decided to throw caution to the wind and rush an armed killing machine. If we were able to catch this young man before he felt that the only way to solve his problems was to get a weapon and wipe out his peers. THIS is where we have failed. I was in the Army and was assigned as being in the Military Police Corps. I have seen first hand what it is like to have to deal with young people who are assigned weapons. I was in command of a squad that went out on patrol everyday to guard a military installation and have seen first hand the mistakes that can be made even by trained professionals who have years of experience of dealing with firearms. These people train with them and are supervised. It is foolish to think that we will solve any shooting problems by arming kids. Yes they are kids… no matter how much training you give them. If you have any experience with groups of kids you will see them do stupid things without any real thought put behind it. Why in hell would we add firearms into this mix. We don’t even trust them with alcholol until they are 21 and sometimes that seems to early. In regards to the VT incident, we have heard that he was recommended for counseling because of his essays. THIS is were the system broke down. Not whether or not everyone had weapons or decided to throw caution to the wind and rush an armed killing machine. If we were able to catch this young man before he felt that the only way to solve his problems was to get a weapon and wipe out his peers. THIS is where we have failed.

]]> By: ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/comment-page-6/#comment-3757190 ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:27:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/#comment-3757190 As for your statistics nully, I was hoping you'd share more of your wingnut *research*, but clearly you know even less about your beliefs than I had thought... Sad.. You want *real* statistics. You cite Washington DC., so lets look at the *real* effects of gun control on that city. Since gun control can only be applied to the effects of a city that didn't have it, and the effect is relevant to the starting point. That's what we mean by *statistics* - junior. Not the smoking-lobby b*llsh*t that ncpa puts out. Lets go back to the source, at the time the ban was put in place, and see what the statistics were as a result of the ban. <blockquote>Study By: C. Loftin, D Mcdowall, B. Wiersema and TJ Cottey. Published in the New England Journal of Medicine, Volume 325:1615-1620, December 5, 1991. Background: In 1976 the District of Columbia adopted a law that banned the purchase, sale, transfer, or possession of handguns by civilians. Methods: In the study homicides and suicides that occurred between 1968 and 1987 were classified according to place of occurrence (within the District of Columbia or in the adjacent metropolitan areas where the law did not apply, cause (homicide or suicide), mechanism of death (guns or other means) and time of occurrence (before or after 1976 when the law was adopted). Results: The study concluded that restrictive licensing of handguns was associated with an immediate decline in homicides and suicides by guns in the District of Columbia. In Washington, D.C. the number of homicides by guns declined 3.3 per month (or 25%) and the number of suicides by guns declined 0.6 (or 23%) after the adoption of the law. There were no similar reductions in the number of homicides or suicides committed by other means than guns. There were also no similar reductions in the adjacent metropolitan areas in Maryland and Virginia. And there were also no increases in homicides or suicides by other means than guns. Conclusion: <strong>The study found that restrictions on access to guns in the District of Columbia prevented an average of 47 deaths each year since the implementation of the law.</strong></blockquote> There you have it wingnut. Just one of the many statistics that *prove* the cause and effect of strict gun control on dropping homicide rates. The more comprehensive the ban, the more the effect. Sorry chump, but now you really look st*pid. As for your statistics nully, I was hoping you’d share more of your wingnut *research*, but clearly you know even less about your beliefs than I had thought… Sad..

You want *real* statistics. You cite Washington DC., so lets look at the *real* effects of gun control on that city. Since gun control can only be applied to the effects of a city that didn’t have it, and the effect is relevant to the starting point. That’s what we mean by *statistics* – junior. Not the smoking-lobby b*llsh*t that ncpa puts out.

Lets go back to the source, at the time the ban was put in place, and see what the statistics were as a result of the ban.

Study By: C. Loftin, D Mcdowall, B. Wiersema and TJ Cottey. Published in the New England Journal of Medicine, Volume 325:1615-1620, December 5, 1991.

Background: In 1976 the District of Columbia adopted a law that banned the purchase, sale, transfer, or possession of handguns by civilians.

Methods: In the study homicides and suicides that occurred between 1968 and 1987 were classified according to place of occurrence (within the District of Columbia or in the adjacent metropolitan areas where the law did not apply, cause (homicide or suicide), mechanism of death (guns or other means) and time of occurrence (before or after 1976 when the law was adopted).

Results: The study concluded that restrictive licensing of handguns was associated with an immediate decline in homicides and suicides by guns in the District of Columbia. In Washington, D.C. the number of homicides by guns declined 3.3 per month (or 25%) and the number of suicides by guns declined 0.6 (or 23%) after the adoption of the law. There were no similar reductions in the number of homicides or suicides committed by other means than guns. There were also no similar reductions in the adjacent metropolitan areas in Maryland and Virginia. And there were also no increases in homicides or suicides by other means than guns.

Conclusion: The study found that restrictions on access to guns in the District of Columbia prevented an average of 47 deaths each year since the implementation of the law.

There you have it wingnut. Just one of the many statistics that *prove* the cause and effect of strict gun control on dropping homicide rates.

The more comprehensive the ban, the more the effect.

Sorry chump, but now you really look st*pid.

]]> By: ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/comment-page-6/#comment-3757180 ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:23:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/#comment-3757180 <em>just remember, anything and everything you think and say about my posts and though process, is the same exact thing I think about you and your posts…. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:06 pm</em> That's because all you do is project... sad... <em>much love brother….. :) Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:06 pm</em> Says the schizoid lunatic that claims I'm not a human being, with human rights. <em>oh man, so easy to play with the mind of hateful, racist, nazi like left wing lunatics, way too easy. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:06 pm</em> That's a contradiction, the nazis are right wing, hateful, and racist just like you. <em>valiant, I need a better challenge tomorrow, please try to bring your ace game tomorrow, this became quite boring. I think reading your posts brought down my IQ from 180 to 160. c’mon son, you need to do better tomorrow ok? Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:06 pm</em> The only think challenging is putting up with your boring repetitive unsubstantiated b*llsh*t. You forgot the decimal point in your IQ, junior. I did just fine, but you look like a r*t*rded hack. Then again, your posts do speak for themselves! <em>take now and if you start feeling that you are melting it is because I prayed for you tonight, ok? hahahahhahaahahhahaahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:06 pm</em> More schizoid confusion from the wacko that thinks I'm not a human. Why pray for people that aren't human? Lunatic. Save your prayers for yourself - you need them! <em>you know what the sad part is….that valiant the racist coward thinks that he won something and that he is intelligent! oh man, thanks for the laugh valiant, you made the evening go quite fast, even though you became quite boring at the end….. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:06 pm</em> Won what? You weren't debating, and there was no contest, and you were tiresomely incompetent as is typical of wingnuts. As for me being intelligent - thanks. I know that was a compliment, veiled as an insult. And you're right. I am intelligent - a compliment that alas you do not deserve. <em>love ya brother! keep the peace and your gun!!! :) Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:06 pm</em> Another contradiction from the ignorant hillbilly hothead. just remember, anything and everything you think and say about my posts and though process, is the same exact thing I think about you and your posts…. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:06 pm

That’s because all you do is project… sad…

much love brother….. :) Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:06 pm

Says the schizoid lunatic that claims I’m not a human being, with human rights.

oh man, so easy to play with the mind of hateful, racist, nazi like left wing lunatics, way too easy. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:06 pm

That’s a contradiction, the nazis are right wing, hateful, and racist just like you.

valiant, I need a better challenge tomorrow, please try to bring your ace game tomorrow, this became quite boring. I think reading your posts brought down my IQ from 180 to 160. c’mon son, you need to do better tomorrow ok? Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:06 pm

The only think challenging is putting up with your boring repetitive unsubstantiated b*llsh*t. You forgot the decimal point in your IQ, junior.

I did just fine, but you look like a r*t*rded hack. Then again, your posts do speak for themselves!

take now and if you start feeling that you are melting it is because I prayed for you tonight, ok? hahahahhahaahahhahaahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:06 pm

More schizoid confusion from the wacko that thinks I’m not a human. Why pray for people that aren’t human? Lunatic. Save your prayers for yourself – you need them!

you know what the sad part is….that valiant the racist coward thinks that he won something and that he is intelligent! oh man, thanks for the laugh valiant, you made the evening go quite fast, even though you became quite boring at the end….. Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:06 pm

Won what? You weren’t debating, and there was no contest, and you were tiresomely incompetent as is typical of wingnuts. As for me being intelligent – thanks. I know that was a compliment, veiled as an insult. And you’re right. I am intelligent – a compliment that alas you do not deserve.

love ya brother! keep the peace and your gun!!! :)
Comment by nully — April 18, 2007 @ 7:06 pm

Another contradiction from the ignorant hillbilly hothead.

]]> By: unbelievable http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/comment-page-6/#comment-3757175 unbelievable Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:19:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/18/bush-gun-free-schools/#comment-3757175 But mostly we are a dead-souled country, so inured to horror that even when something of incredible violence occurs on our soil, well, heck, we've been reminded of 9/11 so often that anything lesser hardly seems worthy of time in our Palm Pilots. For to pay attention means that we must feel compelled to act, and, as we've been taught by our government, our media, our culture, what good comes of acting? What action? Well, for starters, doing something about the madness of the gun laws in the United States. No, guns didn't make this student wreak violence on Virginia Tech any more than a microphone makes Rush Limbaugh a blowhard. But guns sure made it easier for the violence to occur on such a large scale. As the Rude Pundit's said before, no one ever heard of a drive-by stabbing. But to act is anathemic to our war and terrorist-influenced American mindset. God, if we were told to just go about our business after 9/11 and that they only thing we can sacrifice for the war is our peace of mind when we happen to tune to the wrong channels on our digital cable systems, why in the world would we want to do anything for this? Oh, yeah, there is something we'll be asked to do. Pray. To whomever. And then continue to eat your fried chicken strips and drink your Diet Cokes. http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/ But mostly we are a dead-souled country, so inured to horror that even when something of incredible violence occurs on our soil, well, heck, we’ve been reminded of 9/11 so often that anything lesser hardly seems worthy of time in our Palm Pilots. For to pay attention means that we must feel compelled to act, and, as we’ve been taught by our government, our media, our culture, what good comes of acting?

What action? Well, for starters, doing something about the madness of the gun laws in the United States. No, guns didn’t make this student wreak violence on Virginia Tech any more than a microphone makes Rush Limbaugh a blowhard. But guns sure made it easier for the violence to occur on such a large scale. As the Rude Pundit’s said before, no one ever heard of a drive-by stabbing.

But to act is anathemic to our war and terrorist-influenced American mindset. God, if we were told to just go about our business after 9/11 and that they only thing we can sacrifice for the war is our peace of mind when we happen to tune to the wrong channels on our digital cable systems, why in the world would we want to do anything for this?

Oh, yeah, there is something we’ll be asked to do. Pray. To whomever. And then continue to eat your fried chicken strips and drink your Diet Cokes.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/

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