I was afraid for a moment that a liberal blog was going to allow a conservative guy have the last word! Thanks for helping out your democrat buddies.
Well you had me going with the “Descent” (the video game) and “Dissent” (sentiment of opposition) thing, but I’ll give you a pass. You did enough homework.
I guess my thoughts on dissent is that there are those who can provide constructive criticism, and then there are others that rely on name calling and besmirching the office of the President of the United States. I am OK with criticism, so is President Bush. He appreciated the bicameral and bipartisan discussions last week and this week. I guess my preference would be to have an educated discussion with Democrats that had conflicting views without foul language, undignified discourse and throwing veggies. I gotta tell you that the small handful of protesters that came out to meet the President were some crew!
I am not referring to the 4 emos from Dayton that drove up to Tipp City to protest, they were just punks that ended up being thrown in jail that afternoon for B&E and tresspass at the junior high school. The other protesters were very vitriolic, one of them cursing at a woman and her small child as they waved a flag.
I can’t possibly think of an occasion where I could find myself cursing out a Dem and their small child, regardless of the situation. That is just sad. I would much rather have folks that have that much evilness pent up to go and tell the insurgents how they feel. The only thing I would fear there is that they might pick up a gun and join the insurgency so they could take a shot at one of our US soldiers. There is something to be said about disagreeing with a Presidential decision, and if you feel very strongly, disagreeing with a President in general. But I hope you would agree that hating your country and your fellow countrymen is way the heck out of line.
I hope you reconsider your thoughts on not fearing these hooded, sabre-toting insurgents. I wish I could come to the same conclusion that you seem to have. That if we pull out of Iraq and Afganistan they will be “cool” with the US again, and will not consider getting on a plane or a boat, or crossing our north or south borders to come and kill some more innocents. I wish that was true. It just seems to me that I can’t trust that those psychotic terrorists won’t be OK with staying at home, despising us. I consider them much more insidious than the Japanese. The Japanese surprised us, but at least we knew who was the enemy, what land needed to be taken to overpower their military might, and how many folks we needed to kill to win. I wish it was that easy with these middle-eastern terrorists.
I hope you consider these thoughts. There is no hate here. Just some concern that both you and I are around for a good long time without having to worry about a sabre being drawn on us or our family.

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Well that’s because there are those of us who won’t sign a loyalty oath the Decider and Thief. And he doesn’t want to hear the voice of “Descent”. People are denied access to attend giggles speeches because they happen to be wearing black (only anarchists wear black. Maybe someone needs to inform Ann Coulter about that), or a T-shirt with some kind of descent written on it.
You attended that speech and didn’t notice all his incoherent babbling? Are you planning on joining the military so you can go over to Iraq after only 3 weeks of training, and do 3 or 4 deployments of 15 months? You love your “commander and chief decider” so much put your money where your mouth is.

“My job is a job to make decisions. I’m a decision uh uh if the job description were, what do you do uh uh it’s decision-maker.”

Uh uh, no actually your “job description” is: president of the United States.

“I’ve chosen a path that says we will go overseas and defeat them there. I also know full well that it’s important for us if we’re facing an ideology, if we’re facing ideologues, if we’re confronting people who believe something, that we have got to defeat their belief system with a better belief system.”

Well, I believe you are an idiot.

“I’m optimistic we can succeed. I wouldn’t ask families to have their troops there if I didn’t think, one, it was necessary, and two, we can succeed. I believe we’re going to succeed.”

Yeah, and you also “believed” there were WMP there. And that Iraqis would roll and spread em and greet US with candy and flowers. How’s that belief working out for you?

“People ask me uh uh you know, I’ve been reading a lot of history. People ask me, can you think of any historical parallels? Well, clearly the Cold War is an interesting parallel. There’s a uh uh by the way, every new phase of history has its own unique features to it. For example, you’ve got a kid in the battlefield and he’s emailing home every day. Or, four-hour [sic] news cycles. There’s a lot of uh uh asymmetrical warfare, or $50 weapons are sometimes used to defeat expensive vehicles. In other words, these are different times.
But there are some parallels. One is, of course, the ideological standoff during the Cold War, eventually won by freedom, the forces of freedom.”

Um yeah, ok. The cold war was not “won by freedom” it was won by sanctions… hello.

“I like to remind people that my dad was a 18-year-old kid when he signed up to uh uh for the United States Navy in World War II, and went off to combat in a really bloody war. And yet, his son becomes the President, and one of his best friends in the international scene was the Prime Minister of Japan.”

Oh, I see the parallels clearly now, thank you!

Q Mr. President, how would you respond to the rather mistaken idea that the war in Iraq is becoming a war in Vietnam?

Yes, “mistaken idea”.

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, thank you. There’s a lot of differences. First, the Iraqi people voted for a modern constitution, and then set up a government under that constitution. Secondly, the uh uh that’s as opposed to two. A major difference as far as here at home is concerned is that our military is an all-volunteer army, and we need to keep it that way. By the way, the way you keep it that way is to make sure our troops have all they need to do their job, and to make sure their families are happy.”

All volunteer army, now there’s a ‘big difference’. Are their families happy? Ask Cindy Sheenan or Tillman’s etc. oh no wait, Sheenan tried to talk to you remember when she camped out by your ranch and you ignored her.

“There are some similarities, of course uh uh death is terrible. Another similarity, of course, is that Vietnam was the first time a war was brought to our TV screens here in America on a regular basis.”

um yeah, ok.

“It’s an interesting force posture to be in. Frankly, I was hopeful, as I mentioned to you, that we could be in that kind of force posture a year ago. I really thought we were going to be there until the sectarian violence got out of control.”

Newsbreak: sectarian violence is out of control.

“I’ve been in politics long enough to know that polls just go poof at times. I mean, they’re a moment; that they are uh uh let me put it to you this way: When it’s all said and done, when Laura and I head back home uh uhwhich at this moment will be Crawford, Texas uh uh I will get there and look in the mirror, and I will say, I came with a set of principles and I didn’t try to change my principles to make me popular. You can’t make good decisions”

“Polls go poof” is that like the wheels on the bus going round and round ? So which of your decisions have been good ones? When you decided to cherry pick and use forged intel, when you decided to lie to us about Saddam\Osama connection, yellow cake? When you decided to spy on us without warrants? When you decided to abolish Habeas Corpus? When you decided to implement torture? When you decided to approve rendition? Tell us, when you look in the mirror do you have a reflection? You see part of being Pres of US is listening to “all” the people, not just 28%. And the way that you listen to the people is by paying attention to the polls. That is unless you’re a dictator.

#63Charlie,
What would you have suggested as a war plan when the US landed on the shores of France in WWII? When we lost a couple thousand troops we should have rowed our boats back to the US?

When the US fought the Japanese in the south pacific, we sacrificed more than 10,000 troops in a day. Would you have minded if the Japanese landed in California and occupied the US?

The difference between WWII and Japan is: 1. Germany was a threat. Hitler was invading country after country. Saddam wasn’t’ doing that.

2. Japan actually attacked us first. You remember Pearl Harbor?

3. Iraq was not a threat, nor did it threaten or ever attack US.

“ And I freely admit that much of my thinking was affected on September the 11th, 2001, and the aftermath of September the 11th, 2001. I wanted to share that with you and the American people so that they understand that when I make decisions, why I’m making decisions. I can assure you I’m not going to make any decisions in regard to anybody’s life based upon a poll or a focus group.”

“September the 11th! September the 11th! September the 11th! Terrorists! Terrorists! Terrorists! Be afraid! Be afraid! Be afraid! Now go out and buy yourself something pritty.”

You see in a “true” democracy, the pres listens to the people, a ‘wise’ president poses a question to the citizens IE: “what do you think about this?” That’s what polls are for (they are not just something to dance around every May 1st), that’s what every pres before you did.

Watch these news clips for a history lesson in democracy:

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As you will see the president asked the American people how they felt about getting involved in the war, that’s what polls are for. He just didn’t make up his own mind that that was what he was going to because he wanted to be a “war” president and “go it alone”.

What would you have suggested as a war plan when the US landed on the shores of France in WWII? When we lost a couple thousand troops we should have rowed our boats back to the US? Then what would have happened? That’s right pal, you would be speaking German. Would you be OK with that? Or even better if you were of Jewish decent, I would not have had this opportunity to enlighten you!
When the US fought the Japanese in the south pacific, we sacrificed more than 10,000 troops in a day. Would you have minded if the Japanese landed in California and occupied the US?
It is the brave that protect our freedom and our way of life. Notice that I say OUR, because the beauty of our democracy is that even though you may not have as much stomach or experience with risk and sacrifice as I, our men and women in uniform protect both of us from threats both inside and outside of our borders.
At Virginia Tech, 33 students were slaughtered by an extremely disturbed man. Your friends in France and Western Europe called us a “gun culture” and “violent society”. They scorned the US for the horrible violence in our country. What happened the same day? I’ll tell you. Al Quaida operatives in Iraq filmed 22 Iraqi policemen kneeling on the floor with guns pointing at them. The terrorists sliced the heads off of 3 of them, shaking the blood over the rest of the men before they shot each one in the back of the head. Was there any international outcry about violence in Iraq by terrorists? Was this story carried in the newspapers? Nope. Folks just don’t care about those people.
President Bush knows that by going over there and solving that horrific problem will keep our families from being lined up and beheaded here in the US. Do you really think that leaving those folks alone over there will solve the problem? That those monsters won’t be able to get a plane ticket or bus ride into your neighborhood? What sort of plan do you suggest? I hear alot of whining in here, but not alot of solutions.

What are you, retarded or just another Young Republican?

If you got so “infected” by his visit – then get your ass over to Iraq and help with the surge. Better yet, take him with you!

We’ll make Bush the head of al-Qaeda. That way they’ll be defeated inside of a year.

Oh, and don’t forget, MSM – 9/11 Was An Inside Job!

MSM you are so full of you know what. This bastard of a President lied to you and manipuolated you and sent thousands to their deaths, in case you dont know it..If you dont understand that then you ought to s open you eyes and ears.
Unlike you I never met him but it doesnt take much thought to realize that if you care about the military you dont send them into a fools mission based on half ass information that you were too lazy to check out. You dont send into battle except as a last resort. He could have taken numerous paths before sending them off but he wanted war.. Yes he wanted to be a wartime President and that colored his thinking.. what little there is…and look at the horrible price we are paying.

Tell us MSN Oh Great Lover of Bush..what is the purpose of this war..today… No WMDs, no connections to AL Quida or international terrorism as he claimed.or is it now is it some assinine scheme to bring democracy to a country that has 14 centuries of fighting and hate?. You cant bring democracy to people that have no sense of national identity and only want to use democratic government as a means of grabbing control and oppressing the other side. And even if you do stabalize the region they will probably align themselves with Iran. THANKS GEOGIE BOY..

Bush can talk and smile and wave all he wants but his reckless policies have killed tens of thousands and wounded many more including US military people. He is destroying the military, causing us to be hated everywhere with our illegal wars and torture, bankrupting us with his economic policies, neglecting our Southern Border, attacking the Constitution and undermining it, claiming vast powers never before assumed, and ruling by dividing one group against another.
You think he is compassionate and caring..all you see is a smile and a handshake.. but BY THEIR FRUITS YEE SHALL KNOW THEM.. and the fruits of this empty man are wars, lies and destruction and if you opened you head and your eyes you could see that but you just fall for the photo ops, the smiles and the empty platitudes and ingore the reality and nothing can change that.

No matter what facts come forth or what information is uncovered, you will just cover your eyes and ears and tell yourself that the Titanic really is unsinkable even as the waters close in over your head. And that is a fact whether or not you admit it.

And parrotlover, what part of the convictions of election officials in Ohio have you been missing? Americans did not “elect” Bush in 2004. There was vote fraud in 2002 and 2004, just as there was in 2000. 2006 produced such a landslide of votes against thugs that they could not siphon off enough to steal another one…and in the case of New Mexico, in 2006 ballots were restored so that the electronic “undervote” fraud that occurred in the minority districts in 2004 couldn’t be reproduced.

Bush spoke at my school this afternoon, and I would like to inform you that only about 20 students were actually able to hear the president speak. The rest of us, the students, were held in our 6th period classes while the speech was going on in the gym and we watched via TV. Besides the 20 AP Government students, the majority of the crowd (over 400 people) was adult ticketholders.

I believe that your comment, “Increasingly desperate” is completely out of line. The president was INVITED to come speak at my school. It is a great location because the majority of people in my area are Republicans, our school is rather secluded (there’s not much around but trees) but large enough, and it’s right by the highway and 10-15 minutes from the airport.

I believe that Bush delivered an excellent speech here at my school today, even if I did not get to see him in person (I am a freshman). Although you may take the fact that I am a freshman as a sure sign that I could not possibly comprehend what Bush had to say today…I thought, I listened, I understood much more than what you may think.

Whatever your comment about “hostile” high school audiences is…that is complete nonsense. Bush was warmly accepted by our school. Even the many of the people who do not support Bush were excited to hear what he had to say…and that he would come to such a small town like ours to speak.

In all honesty, it has been the most exciting thing ever to happen here in Tipp City, Ohio.

The point is Eugene, you are a 20% er. Your rhetoric is stale and dated and doesn’t work on thoughtful, intelligent people. Your President is a criminal, a fascist (in every sense of the word), a malcontent, a murdering sociopath, a terrible liar, a homophobe, constitutional criminal, a habeas corpus crushing torturer, a chickenhawk and a weasel. 640 days until this balck plague that you cast upon our great nation is over. Counting the days Eugene, counting the days.

Lastly, if I accept the faulty argument of “If we leave, they’ll (who ever “they” are) follow us..” What makes it impossible to come over here now while we don’t have a substantial military in the homeland?

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Oversight is fun isn’t it?! Ready? Let’s play the oversight game!!

Seems that he is following the dictum of Joseph Goebells(the Nazi War Propaganda Minister) which is “if you tell a lie over and over again, it will eventually become the truth.

where they haven’t already drank the Republican

water. It’s amazing to me that 30% of America

still believes this lunatic.