Of course, the sub-govenment will carry on.

If all we wanted to do was get rid of Saddam Hussein, well, we won, let’s go home, mission accomplished. For all of the right wing blather about surrender dates, do you want to just flat lose or withdraw with what little self-respect remains? Yes, we either continue to _LOSE_ or we leave and let the Iraqis sort themselves out. We sat and watched the genocide in Darfur, what’s a few hundred-thousand Iraqis matter anyway…?

The violence in Iraq has nothing to do with the USA save for the fact that we unleashed a gob of ancient hatred that would have had to play itself out anyway. The fact that Saddam used murderous suppression to keep his state in line, well, how is what the Coalition Forces are doing any better? Is our body count superior? Do we measure success by how many Iraqi women and children are blown to bits by their neighbors down the road? Or by how filthy rich your oil-monger war-profiteering buddies get?

America has a choice, to lose or withdraw.

Lose or withdraw.

Perhaps you should have thought this one through a bit, Mr. President, before you sent thousands of Americans to die in vain.

Wonder why the russian president Putin was former KGB chief? Vital ingredient….intelligence…..
Comment by Hector Garcia — April 18, 2007 @ 12:54 pm

Either that or he had everyone else at the job interview killed. If he wasn’t doing that back then he’s certainly taken to the idea lately.

… President Bush’s claim that timelines .. prove al Qaeda’s accusations that America is … “corrupt” …

hey … al Qaeda is right on this, thats no accusation, thats a fact :-)

Wonder why the russian president Putin was former KGB chief? Vital ingredient….intelligence…..

Quote from Cheney:
“Instead, it sends a message to our enemies that the calendar is their friend, that all they have to do is wait us out…”

Now what is wrong with that. Maybe they will stop fighting because they have “won?” Why should they waste their time?

Ah! now for the BushCo problem in a nutshell
“— wait for the date certain, and then claim victory the day after.”

Oh my God! They will “win” and that means I, (BushCo,) will lose! My manhood will go down the drain and my legacy as the greatest ruler in American history will go down with it. No, no! Stay the course, we must win at all costs, (as long as I don’t pay any price.)

“Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), who regularly maligns timelines as a “date certain for surrender,” admitted he used those very calls for redeployment to “motivate the Maliki government”

The “master manipulator” in action. Totally unfit for the presidency! Wonderful that he is self destructing.

“Defense Secretary Robert Gates said yesterday that Congress’ debate over a withdrawal timeline is having a positive impact”

The utter arrogance of this remark is mind boggling. Again twisting reality to suit his position and disasterous agenda. The real point is to get out of Iraq, not put pressure on the Iraquis to do what we want. Talking about playing politics!

Gates: Iraq failure would hit Mideast
28 minutes ago

CAIRO, Egypt – Failure in Iraq would unleash sectarian strife and extremism and would be felt first in the Middle East, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Wednesday.

That scenario does indeed show them a withdrawal will have serious consequences.
But the real news is of course that the ever so hard to fault President was found to be contradicted by a different aspect of this scenario. Point scored. Bravo.

demonstrating to the Iraqis that American patience is limited

I love quotes like this. It’s like walking into a restaurant, throwing every dish on the floor, shattering them all, spilling all the condiments, spilling everything in the kitchen, making a huge mess, beating up all the servers and cooks, and then yelling out “MY PATIENCE WITH YOU IS LIMITED! WHEN DO I GET SERVED?!”

Well, that should let Bush off the hook nicely. Now he can declare a “real” war with the “new Iraq” and “surge” to a new “mission accomplished” a few months later. Then we can begin to fight the “insurgents” in a new “war on terra,” to keep the terrarists from coming over here.

Thanks for the work, time and effort it took to amass these quotes! A tip of my hat to ya!

It speaks volumes to the utter hypocracy of these people.

That there are still some 30% of the American public still believing these horses asses, leads me to think I should be selling kool-aid. I could make a killi..er lot of money. Millions watch Faux in awe and admiration! Can’t you just hear the register ringing?

PM says Iraq plans to control whole nation by end 2007
AMARA, Iraq (Reuters) – Iraq plans to take security control of all its provinces from foreign forces before the end of the year, Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki said in a speech read out by a senior official on Wednesday.

Maliki is under growing pressure from powerful anti-American Shi’ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr to set a timetable for the withdrawal of 146,000 U.S. troops from Iraq.

In a speech delivered on his behalf by National Security Adviser Mowaffaq al-Rubaie at a ceremony marking the handover of southern Maysan province from British forces to Iraqi control, Maliki said three provinces in the autonomous Kurdistan region would follow next.

“Maysan … will be followed by the three Kurdistan provinces, a month from now,” Maliki said.

“After that Kerbala and Wasit (provinces). Then it will be province by province until we achieve (this transfer) before the end of the year.”

The transfer of Maysan means four of the country’s 18 provinces are now under Iraq’s security control.

Sadr withdrew six ministers from his political movement from Maliki’s government on Monday to press his demand for a timetable for the pullout of American troops.

Maliki has repeatedly said U.S. troops would leave Iraq only when Iraqi forces were ready to take over security.

Reuters (IDS)

“If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy.”
-Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of presidential candidate George W. Bush

“No goal, no objective, not until we have those things and a compelling case is made, then I say, back out of it, because innocent people are going to die for nothing. That’s why I’m against it.”
-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/5/99

“I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning…I didn’t think we had done enough in the diplomatic area.”
-Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

“You think Vietnam was bad? Vietnam is nothing next to Kosovo.”
-Tony Snow, Fox News 3/24/99

“Well, I just think it’s a bad idea. What’s going to happen is they’re going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years”
-Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

“I’m on the Senate Intelligence Committee, so you can trust me and believe me when I say we’re running out of cruise missles. I can’t tell you exactly how many we have left, for security reasons, but we’re almost out of cruise missles.”
-Senator Inhofe (R-OK )

“I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarifiedrules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today”
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

“Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?”
-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is.”
-Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

“You can support the troops but not the president”
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

“This has been an unmitigated disaster … Ask the Chinese embassy. Ask all the people in Belgrade that we’ve killed. Ask the refugees that we’ve killed. Ask the people in nursing homes. Ask the people in hospitals.”
-Representative Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

Why won’t congress and the MSM hammer that point home to the American population?

He wants us to talk to help pressure the Iraq government, but not really do anything about it. Iraq is not going to stand up and defend it’s country as long as they have US soldiers to hide behind. Why hasn’t Mr. Bush given us a report on how the Iraq government has met the benchmarks he set for them? Why? Because they haven’t and they won’t.

We are going to be in Iraq until the day that our puppet Iraqi parliament signs the law giving 70% of Iraq’s oil revenues for 30 years to US and British oil companies. That’s why we are there and we won’t leave until this is accomplished. Remember, Andrea Mitchell said she was told that there are a lot of Republic legislators who will agree to a time line for withdrawal in August, which is when they expect the bill will be signed. These Republics have no conscience. They are willing to allow our children to die to steal a natural resource from a country that never harmed us in any way. May god have mercy on their souls.

While what happened at VT is terrible it is what the Iraqi people live with EVERY DAY. They have a population where every citizen is suffering from post traumatic stress syndrome and will for the rest of their lives.

So while Bush, Cheney and Gates play their game of semantics which is no doubt aimed at them demanding more troops and more money we the people need to demand that congress stop pussy footing and take some action NOW. Obviously WE are the problem in Iraq and as such WE can’t solve the problem.

It is impossible to argue that an unconditional timetable for retreat could serve the security interests of the United States or our friends in the region.

This is what I hate and this is taken for granted for the general population of US, WTF the Middle East has to do with US interests? I mean, what if Uruguay says that it has its interests in Indiana or New York? Imagine Uruguay has some friends in the region, lets say Canadians, and therefore they invade Indianapolis and NY to free them from the evil grip of whatever I want invent. That would be fair according to US foreign policy, except that, well, Uruguay doesnt so many jet carriers.

Our friends? Who can believe seriously this kind of kindergarten lingo?

You make a good point. We won the war long ago, but you cannot win an occupation. What little there was of an Iraqi military was defeated quickly. Their government was overthrown and a new one put in its place. In my opinion, that is when we should have left. Instead, this superpower has left its troops in theater trying to do a job that is political, not military, in nature. Yes, committing troops to this point, with no defined mission, goals, objectives, or enemy is pushing our military to the breaking point. America is not weak, but you cannot acheive “victory” if you cannot define victory.