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	<title>Comments on: Steyn: VA students guilty of &#8216;awful corrosive passivity.&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: LT</title>
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		<dc:creator>LT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t we get back to putting the responsibility back on the criminal here?  This is utter ridiculousness and offensive.

0341: I&#039;ve heard similair stories from police officers, no matter how trained or &#039;macho&#039; you are there is no way you can tell how you will react in these situations, especially when they hit you unawares.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t we get back to putting the responsibility back on the criminal here?  This is utter ridiculousness and offensive.</p>
<p>0341: I&#8217;ve heard similair stories from police officers, no matter how trained or &#8216;macho&#8217; you are there is no way you can tell how you will react in these situations, especially when they hit you unawares.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3765604', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: 0341</title>
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		<dc:creator>0341</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for anyone who second guesses the students for not fightingback think of this. I am a former Marine combat vet. I train fighters. A year ago, during one of the shootings outside the school where I teach, I heard an altercation start outside my office window. When I looked outside, a very small 15 year old was threatening what appeared to be a 17 year old. The 15 year old started shooting past the 17 year old&#039;s head. The 17 year old just stared at him with courage as I ducked with my heart racing and my hands shaking. If I were armed I would have stayed right there because I would have been too shaky to do something right away. When someone is firing near you in a rage, you have a physiological reaction that you can&#039;t control. Most people do. I have no idea why some do and some don&#039;t. I always get rattled even when I fight back and win during any altercation. I suppose we inherit the ability to deal with that quick stress. I have never been able to control that fear, just able to fight through it. I am sure that most of the students at VT had that same feeling. Shaking with fear. It is so hard to function under that stress. Even for a trained former Infantry man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for anyone who second guesses the students for not fightingback think of this. I am a former Marine combat vet. I train fighters. A year ago, during one of the shootings outside the school where I teach, I heard an altercation start outside my office window. When I looked outside, a very small 15 year old was threatening what appeared to be a 17 year old. The 15 year old started shooting past the 17 year old&#8217;s head. The 17 year old just stared at him with courage as I ducked with my heart racing and my hands shaking. If I were armed I would have stayed right there because I would have been too shaky to do something right away. When someone is firing near you in a rage, you have a physiological reaction that you can&#8217;t control. Most people do. I have no idea why some do and some don&#8217;t. I always get rattled even when I fight back and win during any altercation. I suppose we inherit the ability to deal with that quick stress. I have never been able to control that fear, just able to fight through it. I am sure that most of the students at VT had that same feeling. Shaking with fear. It is so hard to function under that stress. Even for a trained former Infantry man.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3763064', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberals take away your freedom to protect yourself. They teach your children to meet force with reasoning at all times. I wonder how many parents of the dead have concealed carry permits. I can imagine their frustration. If the students would have even had mace on them they could have ruined this guys vision. I teach in a HS in Brooklyn NY. When a kid sprays pepper spray in the hall as a prank, it causes a tear gas chamber effect. You will not stay anywhere near the area. I hate to monday morning QB but the truth is that our youth has become too passive. One can of pepper spray would have done wonders. One concealed carry in that class and it would have been rounds going back out through the door they were entering in from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberals take away your freedom to protect yourself. They teach your children to meet force with reasoning at all times. I wonder how many parents of the dead have concealed carry permits. I can imagine their frustration. If the students would have even had mace on them they could have ruined this guys vision. I teach in a HS in Brooklyn NY. When a kid sprays pepper spray in the hall as a prank, it causes a tear gas chamber effect. You will not stay anywhere near the area. I hate to monday morning QB but the truth is that our youth has become too passive. One can of pepper spray would have done wonders. One concealed carry in that class and it would have been rounds going back out through the door they were entering in from.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3762813', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MakeStuff</title>
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		<dc:creator>MakeStuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 02:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s truly sad we have such an underestimation of ourselves in tough situations.  While I don&#039;t know exactly what I&#039;d do in such a situation, there&#039;s nothing wrong with imagining such situations and thinking seriously about the different options before you.

Why not, some fine day, when you&#039;re in a store, restaurant or workplace, think about all the options available to you, should you have to deal with a murderous maniac? Where can you run? What can you throw?  What are ways you can deal with your instinctive fear?  If you have some ideas imprinted in your brain in safety, then they may instinctively kick in, in a time of danger.  There&#039;s nothing right-wing, left-wing or macho about pondering scenarios ahead of time.  It&#039;s a pretty regular topic in martial arts studios.

I agree that none of this is any consolation, to those who had to bury their loved ones in the wake of such bloody treachery.  I have little faith in any institutional solutions, though.  I&#039;m not willing to exchange even the least politically popular liberties for a dubious guarantee of safety by the state and corporation.  I don&#039;t know what I would have done, if I was in those students&#039; situation--I&#039;m sure they did the best they could with what they had, in terms of physical, mental and emotional resources.  I don&#039;t know if I would have functioned any better, but it&#039;s a lot more empowering to think about some relatively positive outcomes than to automatically assume total doom for every dangerous scenario.

Also, it&#039;s not that easy scoring a bullseye with a gun, even at twenty yards.  A retired cop tells me it becomes even less easy when a shooter&#039;s concentration is disrupted.  Just something to file for future reference.  I hope &amp; pray that pops into my mind, should such a situation arise.  Maybe I&#039;ll prevail, maybe I&#039;ll die like a dog.  But I have less of a chance of survival, if I don&#039;t think about these things at all and just assume the government will protect me.

Finally, I doubt we&#039;d be any safer without guns than with.  History is replete with bloody massacres and repression which took place long before the invention of the gun.  There may not have been any guns in the city of Rome during the reign of Caius Caligula, but to survive in that place at that time was to fear for one&#039;s life every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s truly sad we have such an underestimation of ourselves in tough situations.  While I don&#8217;t know exactly what I&#8217;d do in such a situation, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with imagining such situations and thinking seriously about the different options before you.</p>
<p>Why not, some fine day, when you&#8217;re in a store, restaurant or workplace, think about all the options available to you, should you have to deal with a murderous maniac? Where can you run? What can you throw?  What are ways you can deal with your instinctive fear?  If you have some ideas imprinted in your brain in safety, then they may instinctively kick in, in a time of danger.  There&#8217;s nothing right-wing, left-wing or macho about pondering scenarios ahead of time.  It&#8217;s a pretty regular topic in martial arts studios.</p>
<p>I agree that none of this is any consolation, to those who had to bury their loved ones in the wake of such bloody treachery.  I have little faith in any institutional solutions, though.  I&#8217;m not willing to exchange even the least politically popular liberties for a dubious guarantee of safety by the state and corporation.  I don&#8217;t know what I would have done, if I was in those students&#8217; situation&#8211;I&#8217;m sure they did the best they could with what they had, in terms of physical, mental and emotional resources.  I don&#8217;t know if I would have functioned any better, but it&#8217;s a lot more empowering to think about some relatively positive outcomes than to automatically assume total doom for every dangerous scenario.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s not that easy scoring a bullseye with a gun, even at twenty yards.  A retired cop tells me it becomes even less easy when a shooter&#8217;s concentration is disrupted.  Just something to file for future reference.  I hope &amp; pray that pops into my mind, should such a situation arise.  Maybe I&#8217;ll prevail, maybe I&#8217;ll die like a dog.  But I have less of a chance of survival, if I don&#8217;t think about these things at all and just assume the government will protect me.</p>
<p>Finally, I doubt we&#8217;d be any safer without guns than with.  History is replete with bloody massacres and repression which took place long before the invention of the gun.  There may not have been any guns in the city of Rome during the reign of Caius Caligula, but to survive in that place at that time was to fear for one&#8217;s life every day.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3759588', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who lived through a school shooting 18 years ago I can confirm that Patrick1 is an ignorant moron.  He don&#039;t know jack.  Ignore him.  However, I really appreciate that wingnut cut and pasters of GOP filth/talking points who confine their psychosis to internet forums.   The worst harm psychos like Patrick1 can cause is evidenced by poor spelling, grammar and spewing hateful fantasies of manlihood.  Let us hope all of the powerless, hateful, ignorant cowards among us find a voice on a forum of sensible people and take up residence as the ignorant troll asshole.  Lives could be saved by our tolerance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who lived through a school shooting 18 years ago I can confirm that Patrick1 is an ignorant moron.  He don&#8217;t know jack.  Ignore him.  However, I really appreciate that wingnut cut and pasters of GOP filth/talking points who confine their psychosis to internet forums.   The worst harm psychos like Patrick1 can cause is evidenced by poor spelling, grammar and spewing hateful fantasies of manlihood.  Let us hope all of the powerless, hateful, ignorant cowards among us find a voice on a forum of sensible people and take up residence as the ignorant troll asshole.  Lives could be saved by our tolerance.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3759428', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Crapture</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Crapture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>patrick1, I&#039;m going to guess that neither You, this pantload Steyn, Derbyshire or Blake have ever had the experience of staring down the barrel of a gun.  It is easy enough to run your mouth when you don&#039;t know what the hell you are talking about.   That you and the other aforementioned phony-tough assclowns could stoop so low as to defame the victims, living and dead tells me all i need to know about you:

tactless chronic masturbators with superhero fantasies who, for all your talk would soil yourselves if your life really was on the line</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>patrick1, I&#8217;m going to guess that neither You, this pantload Steyn, Derbyshire or Blake have ever had the experience of staring down the barrel of a gun.  It is easy enough to run your mouth when you don&#8217;t know what the hell you are talking about.   That you and the other aforementioned phony-tough assclowns could stoop so low as to defame the victims, living and dead tells me all i need to know about you:</p>
<p>tactless chronic masturbators with superhero fantasies who, for all your talk would soil yourselves if your life really was on the line<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3759399', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MotownBass</title>
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		<dc:creator>MotownBass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had a friend like Pat once. Always talking how bad he was. Black belt, carried a gun. Got his ass pistol whipped begging for his life in a bar he shouldn&#039;t of been in. That would be Pat, know doubt. Had a gun pulled on me where I lived in Detroit. My very macho &amp; right wing suburban friends looked like the were gonna piss their pants. I didn&#039;t rush the guy, but I did convince him we weren&#039;t worth the effort.  We don&#039;t know how the all students reacted. But I can make a guess from experience how Pat would. A steady diet of action films &amp; right wing bravado a hero don&#039;t make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had a friend like Pat once. Always talking how bad he was. Black belt, carried a gun. Got his ass pistol whipped begging for his life in a bar he shouldn&#8217;t of been in. That would be Pat, know doubt. Had a gun pulled on me where I lived in Detroit. My very macho &amp; right wing suburban friends looked like the were gonna piss their pants. I didn&#8217;t rush the guy, but I did convince him we weren&#8217;t worth the effort.  We don&#8217;t know how the all students reacted. But I can make a guess from experience how Pat would. A steady diet of action films &amp; right wing bravado a hero don&#8217;t make.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3758807', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: david yacker</title>
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		<dc:creator>david yacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sounds like the students were college GOP and had &quot;other priorities&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sounds like the students were college GOP and had &#8220;other priorities&#8221;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3758704', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Dick (no, not that one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dick (no, not that one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, it was the liberal culture at VT that led to the carnage. Patrick has just as obviously never been to Blacksburg, Berkely it ain&#039;t. In any event, apparently the students needed to face down gunfire just like Patrick&#039;s conservative role models: W., rove, Cheney, Feith, Wolfowitz, Limbaugh, O&#039;Reilly, DeLay, Cornyn, Rice, Hastert, McConnell, Hannity,et al. Google those fine brave role models of conservative bravery and see which of them ever voluntarily faced gunfire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, it was the liberal culture at VT that led to the carnage. Patrick has just as obviously never been to Blacksburg, Berkely it ain&#8217;t. In any event, apparently the students needed to face down gunfire just like Patrick&#8217;s conservative role models: W., rove, Cheney, Feith, Wolfowitz, Limbaugh, O&#8217;Reilly, DeLay, Cornyn, Rice, Hastert, McConnell, Hannity,et al. Google those fine brave role models of conservative bravery and see which of them ever voluntarily faced gunfire.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3758630', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: highwater</title>
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		<dc:creator>highwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;ll give him one thing.  They&#039;re not children.  A friend of mine who hadn&#039;t been listening to the news too closely just admitted that for the first couple of days after the shooting, she thought it had taken place at a high school, just because of all the talk about the &quot;kids&quot; and what their parents were going through.  It was crazy the way parents kept getting dragged into the story.  I remember Kent State, and as tragic and unjust as those deaths were, they were treated as the deaths of adults.  We&#039;ve infantalized these &#039;kids&#039;.  The 20&#039;s are the new adolescense, at least if you&#039;re at university.  19 year olds fighting and dying in Iraq are &quot;men and women&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;ll give him one thing.  They&#8217;re not children.  A friend of mine who hadn&#8217;t been listening to the news too closely just admitted that for the first couple of days after the shooting, she thought it had taken place at a high school, just because of all the talk about the &#8220;kids&#8221; and what their parents were going through.  It was crazy the way parents kept getting dragged into the story.  I remember Kent State, and as tragic and unjust as those deaths were, they were treated as the deaths of adults.  We&#8217;ve infantalized these &#8216;kids&#8217;.  The 20&#8217;s are the new adolescense, at least if you&#8217;re at university.  19 year olds fighting and dying in Iraq are &#8220;men and women&#8221;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3758623', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lois Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lois Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick1:
How in God&#039;s name would you KNOW how you would react in this kind of surprise attack?  Perhaps you did not hear about the young man/student in the hospital with 3 gunshot wounds who got up right away upon hearing the gun shots and help block the door to his classroom and saved the lives of everyone in his class.  Some people ACT and some people FREEZE in shock or disbelief.  You are the real coward to attack the victims as &quot;too passive and coddled&quot;.  You represent every thing that is wrong with you and your fellow right wing fanatics...all bluster and no integrity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick1:<br />
How in God&#8217;s name would you KNOW how you would react in this kind of surprise attack?  Perhaps you did not hear about the young man/student in the hospital with 3 gunshot wounds who got up right away upon hearing the gun shots and help block the door to his classroom and saved the lives of everyone in his class.  Some people ACT and some people FREEZE in shock or disbelief.  You are the real coward to attack the victims as &#8220;too passive and coddled&#8221;.  You represent every thing that is wrong with you and your fellow right wing fanatics&#8230;all bluster and no integrity!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3758381', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, these men and women, 19 years old some of them, are all cowards. 

Never having been confronted with a weapon, never having seen people next to them have their faces blown off and blood gushing out of their heads, never feeling steel rip through their flesh, not understanding what was happening or watching their friends slaughtered like some Hollywood movie...

Yep, they&#039;re all cowards. They deserved to die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, these men and women, 19 years old some of them, are all cowards. </p>
<p>Never having been confronted with a weapon, never having seen people next to them have their faces blown off and blood gushing out of their heads, never feeling steel rip through their flesh, not understanding what was happening or watching their friends slaughtered like some Hollywood movie&#8230;</p>
<p>Yep, they&#8217;re all cowards. They deserved to die.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3758015', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lauren McCain, 20, of Hampton, Va., an undergraduate majoring in international studies. 

On her MySpace page, McCain listed â€œthe love of my lifeâ€ as Jesus Christ. 
Her family said McCain became a Christian some time ago. 

â€œHer life since that time has been filled with His love that continued to overflow to touch everyone who knew her,â€ the family said in a statement. 

Her uncle Jeff Elliott told The Oklahoman newspaper that she was an avid reader, was learning German and had almost mastered Latin. She was home-schooled, he said, and had worked at a department store for about a year to save money for college. 

She spent several years of her childhood in Oklahoma, but her fatherâ€™s Navy career also took the family to Florida, Texas and then to Virginia. 

&quot;Lauren had such a sweet innocent heart,&quot; Jeanne Meadows, who attended church with McCain, wrote to MSNBC.com. &quot;I can bet you at the last moment of her life she was most likely praying for the gunman and forgiving him.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lauren McCain, 20, of Hampton, Va., an undergraduate majoring in international studies. </p>
<p>On her MySpace page, McCain listed â€œthe love of my lifeâ€ as Jesus Christ.<br />
Her family said McCain became a Christian some time ago. </p>
<p>â€œHer life since that time has been filled with His love that continued to overflow to touch everyone who knew her,â€ the family said in a statement. </p>
<p>Her uncle Jeff Elliott told The Oklahoman newspaper that she was an avid reader, was learning German and had almost mastered Latin. She was home-schooled, he said, and had worked at a department store for about a year to save money for college. </p>
<p>She spent several years of her childhood in Oklahoma, but her fatherâ€™s Navy career also took the family to Florida, Texas and then to Virginia. </p>
<p>&#8220;Lauren had such a sweet innocent heart,&#8221; Jeanne Meadows, who attended church with McCain, wrote to MSNBC.com. &#8220;I can bet you at the last moment of her life she was most likely praying for the gunman and forgiving him.&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3758006', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel O&#039;Neil, 22, of Lincoln, R.I. A graduate student in environmental engineering, he also played guitar and wrote his own songs, which he posted on a Web site, www.residenthippy.com. 

Friend Steve Craveiro described him as smart, responsible and a hard worker, someone who never got into trouble. 

â€œHe would come home from school over the summer and talk about projects, about building bridges and stuff like that,â€ Craveiro said. â€œHe loved his family. He was pretty much destined to be extremely successful. He just didnâ€™t deserve to have happen what happened.â€ 

Oâ€™Neil graduated in 2002 from Lincoln High School in Rhode Island and graduated from Lafayette College in Easton, Pa., before heading to Virginia Tech, where he was also a teaching assistant, Craveiro said. 

A Lafayette publication said that while there Oâ€™Neil was vice president of the Arts Society. His high school yearbook noted he was on the cross country and outdoor track teams, the drama club and the National Honor Society, according to the Providence Journal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel O&#8217;Neil, 22, of Lincoln, R.I. A graduate student in environmental engineering, he also played guitar and wrote his own songs, which he posted on a Web site, <a href="http://www.residenthippy.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.residenthippy.com</a>. </p>
<p>Friend Steve Craveiro described him as smart, responsible and a hard worker, someone who never got into trouble. </p>
<p>â€œHe would come home from school over the summer and talk about projects, about building bridges and stuff like that,â€ Craveiro said. â€œHe loved his family. He was pretty much destined to be extremely successful. He just didnâ€™t deserve to have happen what happened.â€ </p>
<p>Oâ€™Neil graduated in 2002 from Lincoln High School in Rhode Island and graduated from Lafayette College in Easton, Pa., before heading to Virginia Tech, where he was also a teaching assistant, Craveiro said. </p>
<p>A Lafayette publication said that while there Oâ€™Neil was vice president of the Arts Society. His high school yearbook noted he was on the cross country and outdoor track teams, the drama club and the National Honor Society, according to the Providence Journal.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3757998', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Juan Ortiz, 26, a graduate student in civil engineering from Puerto Rico, was killed while teaching a class, his father said. 

Ortiz graduated magna cum laude from the Polytechnic University of San Juan, Puerto Rico, and arrived at Virginia Tech last August. He was married to a fellow student pursuing a teaching career, and they had planned to have a child soon. 

&quot;He was an extraordinary son,&quot; his father, Juan Ramon, said. &quot;On his wedding day, I told him ... what I felt in my heart, I thanked him for being my son, it was special.&quot; 

Ortiz was also in a band with his father and other relatives. &quot;He loved salsa dancing,&quot; his father said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juan Ortiz, 26, a graduate student in civil engineering from Puerto Rico, was killed while teaching a class, his father said. </p>
<p>Ortiz graduated magna cum laude from the Polytechnic University of San Juan, Puerto Rico, and arrived at Virginia Tech last August. He was married to a fellow student pursuing a teaching career, and they had planned to have a child soon. </p>
<p>&#8220;He was an extraordinary son,&#8221; his father, Juan Ramon, said. &#8220;On his wedding day, I told him &#8230; what I felt in my heart, I thanked him for being my son, it was special.&#8221; </p>
<p>Ortiz was also in a band with his father and other relatives. &#8220;He loved salsa dancing,&#8221; his father said.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3757993', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minal Panchal, 26, a first-year building science student from Mumbai, India, according to foreign ministry spokesman Navtej Sarna. 

She wanted to be an architect like her father, who died four years ago. 

Panchal was very keen to go to the United States for postgraduate studies and thrilled when she gained admission last year, said Chetna Parekh, a friend who lives in the bustling middle-class Mumbai neighborhood of Borivali, where Panchal lived before coming to Virginia Tech. 

â€œShe was a brilliant student and very hardworking. She was focused on getting her degree and doing well.â€ 

Panchal was worried about her mother, Hansa, living alone and wanted her to come to the U.S., neighbor Jayshree Ajmane said. Hansa left earlier this month for New Jersey, where her sister and brother-in-law live. 

Ajmane called Panchal a bright, polite girl who would help the neighborhood children with their schoolwork.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minal Panchal, 26, a first-year building science student from Mumbai, India, according to foreign ministry spokesman Navtej Sarna. </p>
<p>She wanted to be an architect like her father, who died four years ago. </p>
<p>Panchal was very keen to go to the United States for postgraduate studies and thrilled when she gained admission last year, said Chetna Parekh, a friend who lives in the bustling middle-class Mumbai neighborhood of Borivali, where Panchal lived before coming to Virginia Tech. </p>
<p>â€œShe was a brilliant student and very hardworking. She was focused on getting her degree and doing well.â€ </p>
<p>Panchal was worried about her mother, Hansa, living alone and wanted her to come to the U.S., neighbor Jayshree Ajmane said. Hansa left earlier this month for New Jersey, where her sister and brother-in-law live. </p>
<p>Ajmane called Panchal a bright, polite girl who would help the neighborhood children with their schoolwork.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3757990', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erin Peterson, age unknown, graduated in 2006 from Westfield High School in Chantilly, Va., along with a second victim, Reema Samatha. That is the same high school that the gunman, Cho Seung-Hui, graduated from three years earlier. 

It was not known if Cho knew the victims. 

Peterson was 6-foot-1 and played center for the schoolâ€™s girls basketball team, helping lead it to a district championship. 

â€œShe could do a layup on anyone,â€ said Anna Richter, a high school teammate. 

She recalled how Petersonâ€™s parents attended nearly every game and were among the most enthusiastic fans. 

Pat Deegan, Petersonâ€™s high school coach, said he couldnâ€™t remember a better leader. 

â€œShe was just a super child,â€ William Lloyd, Erinâ€™s godfather, told the Washington City Paper. 

â€œHer and her dad, man, you couldnâ€™t separate them. He lost a child from cancer â€” a daughter, 8 years old. A week later, (Erin) was born.â€ 

Lloyd said that Erin and her father, Grafton Peterson, did part ways on one thing: pro football allegiances. â€œShe was a Redskin,â€ he said. â€œHe was a Cowboy.â€</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin Peterson, age unknown, graduated in 2006 from Westfield High School in Chantilly, Va., along with a second victim, Reema Samatha. That is the same high school that the gunman, Cho Seung-Hui, graduated from three years earlier. </p>
<p>It was not known if Cho knew the victims. </p>
<p>Peterson was 6-foot-1 and played center for the schoolâ€™s girls basketball team, helping lead it to a district championship. </p>
<p>â€œShe could do a layup on anyone,â€ said Anna Richter, a high school teammate. </p>
<p>She recalled how Petersonâ€™s parents attended nearly every game and were among the most enthusiastic fans. </p>
<p>Pat Deegan, Petersonâ€™s high school coach, said he couldnâ€™t remember a better leader. </p>
<p>â€œShe was just a super child,â€ William Lloyd, Erinâ€™s godfather, told the Washington City Paper. </p>
<p>â€œHer and her dad, man, you couldnâ€™t separate them. He lost a child from cancer â€” a daughter, 8 years old. A week later, (Erin) was born.â€ </p>
<p>Lloyd said that Erin and her father, Grafton Peterson, did part ways on one thing: pro football allegiances. â€œShe was a Redskin,â€ he said. â€œHe was a Cowboy.â€<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3757985', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Pohle, 23, of Flemington, N.J., was expected to graduate in a few weeks with a degree in biological sciences, said Craig Blanton, Hunterdon Centralâ€™s vice principal during the 2002 school year, when Pohle graduated. 

â€œHe had a bunch of job interviews and was all set to start his post-college life,â€ Blanton told The Star-Ledger of Newark. 

At the high school, Pohle played on the football and lacrosse teams. 

One of his old lacrosse coaches, Bob Shroeder, described him as â€œa good kid who did everything that good kids do.â€ 

â€œHe tried to please,â€ Shroeder told the newspaper. â€œHe was just a great kid.â€</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Pohle, 23, of Flemington, N.J., was expected to graduate in a few weeks with a degree in biological sciences, said Craig Blanton, Hunterdon Centralâ€™s vice principal during the 2002 school year, when Pohle graduated. </p>
<p>â€œHe had a bunch of job interviews and was all set to start his post-college life,â€ Blanton told The Star-Ledger of Newark. </p>
<p>At the high school, Pohle played on the football and lacrosse teams. </p>
<p>One of his old lacrosse coaches, Bob Shroeder, described him as â€œa good kid who did everything that good kids do.â€ </p>
<p>â€œHe tried to please,â€ Shroeder told the newspaper. â€œHe was just a great kid.â€<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3757984', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julia Pryde, age unknown, was a graduate student from Middletown, N.J. 

She was an â€œexceptional student academically and personally,â€ said Saied Mostaghimi, chairman of the biological systems and engineering department where Pryde was seeking her masterâ€™s degree. 

â€œShe was the nicest person you ever met,â€ Mostaghimi told The Star-Ledger of Newark. 

Last summer, Pryde had traveled to Ecuador to research water quality issues with a professor. She planned to return this summer for follow-up work, Mostaghimi said. 

A 2001 graduate of Middletown North High School, Pryde was on the schoolâ€™s swim team and played softball in two town leagues. 

Her hometown has been touched by tragedy before, losing 37 current and former residents in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. 

â€œThe town pulls together in these situations. Everything that we can do for this family, weâ€™ll see what can be done,â€ Middletown Mayor Gerard P. Scharfenberger said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julia Pryde, age unknown, was a graduate student from Middletown, N.J. </p>
<p>She was an â€œexceptional student academically and personally,â€ said Saied Mostaghimi, chairman of the biological systems and engineering department where Pryde was seeking her masterâ€™s degree. </p>
<p>â€œShe was the nicest person you ever met,â€ Mostaghimi told The Star-Ledger of Newark. </p>
<p>Last summer, Pryde had traveled to Ecuador to research water quality issues with a professor. She planned to return this summer for follow-up work, Mostaghimi said. </p>
<p>A 2001 graduate of Middletown North High School, Pryde was on the schoolâ€™s swim team and played softball in two town leagues. </p>
<p>Her hometown has been touched by tragedy before, losing 37 current and former residents in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. </p>
<p>â€œThe town pulls together in these situations. Everything that we can do for this family, weâ€™ll see what can be done,â€ Middletown Mayor Gerard P. Scharfenberger said.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3757979', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary Read, 19, of Annandale, Va., according to her aunt, Karen Kuppinger, of Rochester, N.Y. 

She was born in South Korea into an Air Force family and lived in Texas and California before settling in the northern Virginia suburb of Annandale, said Kuppinger. 

Read considered a handful of colleges, including nearby George Mason University, before choosing Tech. It was a popular destination among her Annandale High School classmates, Kuppinger said. 

She had yet to declare a major. 

&quot;I think she wanted to try to spread her wings,&quot; said Kuppinger, whose niece had struggled adjusting to Virginia Tech&#039;s large campus. She&#039;d recently begun making friends and looking into a sorority. 

Kuppinger said the family started calling Read as news reports surfaced. 

â€œAfter three or four hours passed and she hadnâ€™t picked up her cell phone or answered her e-mail ... we did get concerned,â€ Kuppinger said. â€œWe honestly thought she would pop up.â€ 

Julia Singer, who attended Annandale High School with Read, wrote this to MSNBC.com: &quot;I remember telling her &#039;I just know you&#039;re going to be that girl at our ten-year reunion; the one the girls want to be and guys want to be with,&#039;&quot; she said. 

&quot;&#039;I expect you to show us all up, Mary Read.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Read, 19, of Annandale, Va., according to her aunt, Karen Kuppinger, of Rochester, N.Y. </p>
<p>She was born in South Korea into an Air Force family and lived in Texas and California before settling in the northern Virginia suburb of Annandale, said Kuppinger. </p>
<p>Read considered a handful of colleges, including nearby George Mason University, before choosing Tech. It was a popular destination among her Annandale High School classmates, Kuppinger said. </p>
<p>She had yet to declare a major. </p>
<p>&#8220;I think she wanted to try to spread her wings,&#8221; said Kuppinger, whose niece had struggled adjusting to Virginia Tech&#8217;s large campus. She&#8217;d recently begun making friends and looking into a sorority. </p>
<p>Kuppinger said the family started calling Read as news reports surfaced. </p>
<p>â€œAfter three or four hours passed and she hadnâ€™t picked up her cell phone or answered her e-mail &#8230; we did get concerned,â€ Kuppinger said. â€œWe honestly thought she would pop up.â€ </p>
<p>Julia Singer, who attended Annandale High School with Read, wrote this to MSNBC.com: &#8220;I remember telling her &#8216;I just know you&#8217;re going to be that girl at our ten-year reunion; the one the girls want to be and guys want to be with,&#8217;&#8221; she said. </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;I expect you to show us all up, Mary Read.&#8217;&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3757975', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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