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I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view

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Like a woman murdering her fetal child? Murderous wretches who simply wish to kill their children because its the easy way out (98% of abortions) don’t deserve much sympathy. If they are uncivil enough to then go out and get one anyway even when the government is civil enough to outlaw it and they injure or kill themselves in the process then they are only getting what they deserve. I’m sorry if this sounds unsympathetic, but if you are going to murder someone that helpless and you kill yourself in the process that’s only poetic justice.

Actual biblical injunctions against abortion are indirect at best, and there are organizations that involve religious Christians that argue the opposite, http://www.rcrc.org/ for example.

Likewise, there are athiests who are pro-life. As the direct biblical references to abortion are thin, there are plenty of reasons totally outside the Christian religion to support abortion restrictions. A web page resource for anti-abortion athiests appears here: http://www.godlessprolifers.org/

The abortion debate is not about religion. The religious aspects of it are reflections of the cultural differences between the two sides. These differences are driven by life circumstance. Those of lower income have a better understanding of power.

Abortion is about power – but not in the way we’ve been taught to envision. Consider this – when a person is given a ‘choice’, what could be the outside influences on that person? If there is someone more powerful who stands to gain from the person choosing A over B, and the more powerful person can affect the chooser’s circumstances in life, can the chooser realistically select choice B? The person will have to select choice A – this is not a choice at all. This is what happens for example when someone ‘chooses’ to accept an extremely low wage job for example, or one with poor working conditions.

Naturally, those who are more likely to relate to the powerful person in this scenario will want to allow the so-called ‘choice’. They will inevitably drive home the notion that it is a ‘choice’, and describe their position as pro-freedom and pro-rights. Allowing exploitive workplace practices was often called the ‘right to work’.

If a woman is ‘choosing’ between an abortion or childbirth, what is she to do when faced with an employer who may be unsympathetic to any workplace flexibility, a boyfriend who doesn’t want the responsibility, or parents who will not accept the situation. Society is likely to have structured her life such that any of those individuals are more powerful than her. Thus she obtains the abortion. This was not a choice.

In other situations in which such a ‘choice’ is made in the midst of such power dynamics, the conclusion is usually not to celebrate such a choice as a right. We already went through situations like this, even involving Supreme Court decisions. Roughly a century ago, a decision named Lochner v New York overturned a labor law that prohibited undue working hours in a bakery. It is often compared to Roe because it used similar legal reasoning. The decision and ones like it are now considered some of the worst Supreme Court decisions in history.

We don’t celebrate the ‘right’ of someone to be exploited, the ‘right’ to prostitution, or the ‘right’ to sweatshop labor. The left usually understands this on other issues. In other cases, the response is to prohibit the so called ‘choice’ because it’s understood to be a sham. I highly doubt that there are massive numbers of women who obtain abortions who look forward to the experience.

So where does this leave us? We have a two party system in the US. As it turns out, both parties need to have some wealthy individuals on their side if they are going to win elections – that’s simply reality. Those who support the poor on clearly economic issues (the left) would be dead-in-the-water politically if they abandoned the support of the wealthier cultural classes who most strongly support abortion legalization.

What about the right? are they going to argue that abortion should be restricted because it isn’t a choice in the first place? They clearly can’t, such a stance would make their own wealthy donors fear the broader implications. So who do the wealthy conservative donors accept? The ones that aren’t going to confront them about power dynamics, but those who try arguing with some sort of religions perspective.

Thus we’re left with a nonsensical smokescreen on the right that says this is about religion when it isn’t, and people on the left who argure that women need the ‘right’ to surgery in order to please people they have to deal with.

There is a “reproductive right to work” that is going strong. The fact that neither the left nor the right has the wherewhithal to combat it is very sad.

“The procedure at issue involves partially removing the fetus intact from a woman’s uterus, then crushing or cutting its skull to complete the abortion.”

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8OJ5JLG1&show_article=1

“Salem Witch Trials?” Wow….That had absolutely nothing to do with Catholicism. Your ignorance of history is surpassed only by your religious bigotry. Your anti-Catholicism is sickening.

No, Amanda, The Supreme Courts “rhetoric’ reveals deep hostility to a most indecent act of legalized infaticide. FYI – You might be surprised to learn a Caesarean section is MUCH quicker if the life of the mother or baby is jeopardized. This infanticide – pure and simple – is opposed by decent people on both sides of the political aisle.