Americans: Withdrawal is not “surrender.”
By on Apr 19th, 2007 at 9:53 pm
Americans: Withdrawal is not “surrender.”
From a new Fox News poll:
One Senator recently claimed that setting a date for a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq is more accurately described as a date for surrender — do you think it is accurate to compare withdrawal with surrender?
Yes: 33 percent
No: 61 percent
Now who could that one Senator be?
[flv http://video.thinkprogress.org/2007/03/datecertain.320.240.flv]
MCCAIN: Supporters of this provision say they want a date certain for a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq. But what they have offered us is more accurately described as a date certain for surrender.
UPDATE: Newshounds and Election Central have more.
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Of course. My second guess would have been Joe Liebermann…
April 19th, 2007 at 9:56 pmIs that liberal media again!! Playing with words, confusing the people, gearing towards surrender!!
Our Great Leader should demand the liberal media report the good news that… uh, oh… huh? what? Say that again? It’s a FoxNews poll? FoxNews conducted this poll?
Oh….
April 19th, 2007 at 10:01 pmHis stubborn “stay the course” stand ought to win him lots of votes.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:03 pmMcCain exhausts me….
April 19th, 2007 at 10:05 pmIt’s interesting how these poll number that come out mirror opinion polls of the Chimp. I think we’re down to brass tacks as far as who supports the war & the chimp & who doesn’t. I doubt we’ll see significantly different number from here on out.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:06 pmWhy do 61% of polled Americans want to spoil McCain’s fun of someday bombing Iran?
April 19th, 2007 at 10:07 pmSomeone needs to tell maverick John McCain, the insane one, that if he swims upstream against over 60% of Americans, he has over 60% of Americans against his view…that will not cut it Johnny Boy. You trying to clone yourself into Dumb and Dumber or Dubya and Cheney, is not going to get it.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:09 pm…can we turn McCain (and his ilk)…
…over to the Iraqis…
…under the terms of surrender?
April 19th, 2007 at 10:11 pmI heard McCain is going to start up a 70’s band.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:11 pmSenator McCain they make medication for those delusions your having.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:15 pmLet’s send those 33%’ers over to replace the troops currently there.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:16 pmbig papa,
Nice new look. :-)
April 19th, 2007 at 10:17 pmReagan surrendered in Lebanon.
Nixon surrendered in Vietnam.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:18 pmMy thought, lets give bush, and everyone who still supports 100 billion, and a free ticket to Iraq. Then we can bring the troops who want to come home, home, and let the rest of them try to pacify the Iraqi population.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:19 pmComment by Zooey #12
…it’s by…
..TP…
April 19th, 2007 at 10:21 pm…and frankly it looks…
…well…
…conformist…
April 19th, 2007 at 10:25 pmCan we the people make bush surrender out side the green zone in Bagdad.? I would let him take Mcnutty / rove, cheney, rice, wolfawits and the gang along for company…How about it.? Sound’s good to me….Hell let’s make up a full plane load and send in jake/ harvey / lizzie M.A. michael, roger -roger and any other’s that show up..Let’s throw in a crate of mangos, some cubin cigar’s a little vino so they can have a party..LOL…Blessings….Peace
April 19th, 2007 at 10:28 pmLet me see. Saddam’s army defeated. Saddam captured, tried, and hanged. A new, freely elected government in Iraq under a democratic constition. How is withdrawal surrender? Just who is the Enemy? Is Iraq not a real country? Or is it Sim-Iraq and the gamers in the WH, Pentagon, and State Dept have to keep playing with the program or their imaginary world will vanish?
April 19th, 2007 at 10:32 pmMurtha: President’s Iraq war plan requires draft
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Murtha_Presidents_Iraq_war_plan_requires_0418.html
April 19th, 2007 at 10:33 pmSharon, don’t forget the fava beans and chianti….
April 19th, 2007 at 10:34 pmIf only George the First had believed in “withdrawl”…
April 19th, 2007 at 10:34 pm16- good points, David. What you’ve essentially done is point out why the government in Iraq is viewed as a puppet government. It could not exist without the infusion of billions of American dollars and the firepower of 150,000 American troops, plus Aircraft carrier support groups, plus Blackwater, plus special ops….
April 19th, 2007 at 10:37 pmIf only George the First had believed in “withdrawlâ€â€¦
Comment by Briseadh na Faire #21
…or at least…
…taken a good long look…
…at Babs…
April 19th, 2007 at 10:39 pmSorry BnF, I forgot..I would even throw in my bottle of Grand Marnier that I haven’t opend yet..No sacrafice is to great….LOL…Bear tip’s the scale at over 125 and I’m sure I can get him to help me load them all on the plane…..Blessings. Peace
April 19th, 2007 at 10:40 pmBnF and big papa, your last post’s were priceless….Blessings
April 19th, 2007 at 10:44 pmMurtha: President’s Iraq war plan requires draft
http://rawstory.com/ news/ 2007/ Murtha_Presidents_Iraq_war_plan_requires_0418.html
Discuss!
April 19th, 2007 at 10:46 pmalright, alright.
Fox news poll has crazy-assed results not consistent with usual riech-step results. I still can’t figure out what Flap Jack McCain has to do with it.
This is actually a poll which is more than accurate. It measures the 30 percenters, the hardcore base. So if the base is lost, well, you know the rest.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:49 pmBack at cha’ Sharon…
April 19th, 2007 at 10:52 pmMcCain the warmongering fool must resign from the Senate ASAP and retire from politics for the rest of his senile life.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:52 pmThe draft issue is a good request by Myrtha, however this administration will never allow it and will fight tooth and toe nail…They may be evil but they aren’t all stupid…Cheney and rove know it would be their immediate end by the public and their own base if there were a draft…Their plan of total dismanteling our country is working well with out it….Untill all of us unite and make good showing’s we are doomed with these evil basterd’s untill the next election or a revalution..Blessings…..Peace
April 19th, 2007 at 10:54 pm…and frankly it looks…
…well…
…conformist…
Comment by big papa
Your new look is being imposed on you!? That’s not fair. I thought it was your own choice. :(
It is easier for me to read, but you’re right, it’s conformist.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:00 pmThey certainly can’t draft the people. That means everyone has to be involved in blood sacrifice for Chimpya’s stubborn failed conquest.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:01 pmWhen McCain was a “maverick” the liberal media LOVED him – now that he sticks to his solid national security principles (which Progressives neither understand or desire) – the Left naturally demonizes him… Par for the course …..
April 19th, 2007 at 11:05 pmYou say re-deploy – I say “surrender”. You say withdrawal – I say “surrender”. A rose by any other name is still a rose.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:07 pmVarmint Genus,
Do yourself a favor and don’t even try to pretend you know what you are talking about.
We all know you don’t have a clue. About this or most anything you comment on, for that matter.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:13 pmTiny troll alert.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:14 pmThat fantasy Marine Colonel husband of your been coming to you in your sleep again, MA?
April 19th, 2007 at 11:18 pmWhen McCain was a “maverick†the liberal media LOVED him
McCain – maverick? He’s been George W Bush’s personal ball-washer (thanks Lewis Black) since 2004.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:20 pmRemember, withdrawal is surrender, withdrawal is surrender…. oh and please get new batteries next time.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:22 pmI can’t figure out how to use the tags. I have tried all the suggestions and it’s not working.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:40 pmOh well.
Marie, you are not alone – big papa spotted it too and I’ve been back relearning basic HTML again… anyone figured out all the tags again?
April 19th, 2007 at 11:45 pmI think that McCain is actually doing ALL of this to get back at the RNC and BushCo for how they treated him in the primaries. He really is too smart to be this dumb.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:45 pmI can just picture Karl Rove tearing his hair out every time McC makes another asinine statement. Sweet!
Marie, what browser are you using? Some of them seem to have issues. Try Firefox, it’s free and really cool!
April 19th, 2007 at 11:46 pmPlease MA, eat something…
April 19th, 2007 at 11:48 pmPerhaps this moron should surrender his place in the Senate….(and his presidential bid; he’s done; stick a fork in him)
Theresa
April 19th, 2007 at 11:48 pm“McCain exhausts me….
Comment by Zooey — April 19, 2007″
Why? Can’t wait to hear your educated answer?
April 19th, 2007 at 11:50 pmWhy? Can’t wait to hear your educated answer?
Comment by michael
Michael, how many times will I have to tell you to leave me the f*ck alone?
April 19th, 2007 at 11:52 pmMcCain is still part maverick; both his brain and his speech are at odds with logic. Diagnoses? Alzheimer’s and/or stupidity.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:52 pmComment by michael — April 19, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
Why do you care? How is it any of your business?
April 19th, 2007 at 11:54 pmWhy? Can’t wait to hear your educated answer?
Comment by michael — April 19, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
You go first, Captain Skidmark.
April 20th, 2007 at 12:04 amWhy do you care? How is it any of your business?
Comment by Gregor Samsa #49
…voyeurism…
…the NEW conned’self-serving market…
…after being found to be social pariahs…
…what else can they do?
April 20th, 2007 at 12:05 amMicheal should I name-jack you and mess up your flow…
April 20th, 2007 at 12:05 ammichael’s our NEW conned’selfserving voyeur…
…being the social pariah he/she is already…
…”peeping tom” is JUST another name to it…
April 20th, 2007 at 12:18 amCaption Contest:
“OK now here’s an oldie…
Start spreading the nukes, we’re shooting today…
April 20th, 2007 at 12:19 amI’m gonna make a start of it, in old Tehran….”
Zooey you dear thing.
michael hangs on you like fleas on an old dog. Like stink on a skunk. Like scum on a pond.
April 20th, 2007 at 12:49 amAlzheimer’s and stupidity.
Comment by Whizz Bang — April 19, 2007 @ 11:52 pm
Yes!
April 20th, 2007 at 12:50 amZooey you dear thing.
michael hangs on you like fleas on an old dog. Like stink on a skunk. Like scum on a pond.
Comment by Shane
It’s as if some horrible baby bird imprinted on me. Ugh.
April 20th, 2007 at 1:01 amIt’s as if some horrible baby bird imprinted on me. Ugh.
Comment by Zooey — April 20, 2007 @ 1:01 am
Oh. So that’s why he is such a bird brain…. ;-)
April 20th, 2007 at 1:16 amYou say re-deploy – I say “surrenderâ€. You say withdrawal – I say “surrenderâ€. A rose by any other name is still a rose. Comment by valiant venus — April 19, 2007 @ 11:07 pm
You say female republican veteran.
I say lying, cowardly, piece of sh*t st*pid c*nt.
April 20th, 2007 at 2:00 amBoth Democrats and Republicans are in total agreement with the question of whether body tattoos make a person less attractive (question 39, D=R=66%; I=58%). So a savvy presidential candidate should add tattoo removal as one of their campaign planks and rail against tattoo parlors.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:56 am#39
Withdrawal is no more surrender than stay the course is a military tactic. Get a fucking life.
All chickenshit chickenhawks to the front of the line…you are going to the recruitment station to help fight this civil war for the Iraqis.
April 20th, 2007 at 8:36 amsurrender to the reality of an ill-fated invasion and occupation maybe. you cannot surrender in a military sense to an amorphous entity.
April 20th, 2007 at 9:31 amRetreating is not surrender; it is merely a tactical move to prevent annhilation, to regroup and to counterattack. Obviously, neither McCain nor Bush nor Leiberman have studied Gen. George Washington’s campaigns. Our revered first president got whipped more than once. But he kept enough of his troops alive and together so he could strike at targets of opportunity, such as Trenton and Princeton.
Our cretin will be annhilated in Iraq. All he must do to achieve his most sought after failure is to remain there.
April 21st, 2007 at 2:06 amAnd that’s the way Bush spells it, too.
April 21st, 2007 at 2:08 amSpeaking of annihilation…Dubya is lowering the spelling standards of America.
April 21st, 2007 at 2:14 am