Comments on: As Iraqis stand up, we’ll stand down. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:29:25 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Anne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/comment-page-2/#comment-4860096 Anne Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:10:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/#comment-4860096 <strong>Anne</strong> I just wanted to say that the quality of your Free Mp3 Download is exceptional. On top of all that it really complements the content that is provided by your site. Anne

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]]> By: impeachcheneythenbush http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/comment-page-2/#comment-3760575 impeachcheneythenbush Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:02:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/#comment-3760575 <em>Such a large mercenary force, loyal to the people with the money (who have the money because they’ve been systematically gutting this nation for the past six years), is an existential threat to the stability of the country. It wouldn’t be nearly as troubling if our real armed forces hadn’t been systematically decimated by the reckless and criminal invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation. Comment by TripMaster Monkey — April 20, 2007 @ 12:04 am</em> These are the enforcers of the police state that this administration has been diligently trying to create since PRIOR to 911. Combine this mercenary force with the contracts given to Haliburton to build detention facilities for "immigration control<strong> and other purposes</strong>," and you should be able to see where we are headed here. Still think Alex and his "Prison Planet" website is just crazy? Worse...this started long before this administration. Think back to 1798 with the Alien and Seditions Act (one part of which still stands in law today). Bring it up to the modern era, with the passage of the Patriot Act, combined with today's technology and a mercenary force...and the (as we were warned), military-industrial complex, and we have what we see today. But most of us continue to ignore this reality, because it's nearly impossible to believe that our country is NOT the country we were brought up to believe it is. Well, it's not. And it hasn't been for a very long time. Such a large mercenary force, loyal to the people with the money (who have the money because they’ve been systematically gutting this nation for the past six years), is an existential threat to the stability of the country. It wouldn’t be nearly as troubling if our real armed forces hadn’t been systematically decimated by the reckless and criminal invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation.

Comment by TripMaster Monkey — April 20, 2007 @ 12:04 am

These are the enforcers of the police state that this administration has been diligently trying to create since PRIOR to 911. Combine this mercenary force with the contracts given to Haliburton to build detention facilities for “immigration control and other purposes,” and you should be able to see where we are headed here. Still think Alex and his “Prison Planet” website is just crazy? Worse…this started long before this administration. Think back to 1798 with the Alien and Seditions Act (one part of which still stands in law today). Bring it up to the modern era, with the passage of the Patriot Act, combined with today’s technology and a mercenary force…and the (as we were warned), military-industrial complex, and we have what we see today. But most of us continue to ignore this reality, because it’s nearly impossible to believe that our country is NOT the country we were brought up to believe it is. Well, it’s not. And it hasn’t been for a very long time.

]]> By: margaret http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/comment-page-2/#comment-3760064 margaret Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:57:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/#comment-3760064 Weren't they supposed to sign that oil-profits-give-away bill weeks ago? What's the latest on that? Weren’t they supposed to sign that oil-profits-give-away bill weeks ago? What’s the latest on that?

]]> By: Kate Henry http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/comment-page-2/#comment-3759984 Kate Henry Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:10:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/#comment-3759984 The Bush admin is in a holding pattern right now waiting for the time when the Iraq parliament signs the bill distributing oil revenues. They like to talk it up because it will be a "reconciliation" wherein all tribes in Iraq will share in oil revenue. The dirty little secret is that they will be sharing 30% of the oil revenues since the bill gives 70% of the oil profits to US and British oil companies, for 30 years, as a reward for destroying Iraq. If the Iraqi parliament signs this bill, I certainly hope that the people of Iraq stand up and let them know what they think of traitors. The day that bill is signed will be the day that Bush starts talking about bringing our combat troops home. He could care less about the people of Iraq, what he cares about is their OIL! The Bush admin is in a holding pattern right now waiting for the time when the Iraq parliament signs the bill distributing oil revenues. They like to talk it up because it will be a “reconciliation” wherein all tribes in Iraq will share in oil revenue. The dirty little secret is that they will be sharing 30% of the oil revenues since the bill gives 70% of the oil profits to US and British oil companies, for 30 years, as a reward for destroying Iraq. If the Iraqi parliament signs this bill, I certainly hope that the people of Iraq stand up and let them know what they think of traitors. The day that bill is signed will be the day that Bush starts talking about bringing our combat troops home. He could care less about the people of Iraq, what he cares about is their OIL!

]]> By: margaret http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/comment-page-2/#comment-3759958 margaret Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:48:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/#comment-3759958 I allowed myself a little optimism yesterday after hearing that Centcom spokesman saying that they didn't think calling it the Long War was appropriate anymore. But, already I see how silly that was of me because if they're saying now that they can't leave until they've defeated the "insurgents" well then we'll be there forever for sure. I allowed myself a little optimism yesterday after hearing that Centcom spokesman saying that they didn’t think calling it the Long War was appropriate anymore.

But, already I see how silly that was of me because if they’re saying now that they can’t leave until they’ve defeated the “insurgents” well then we’ll be there forever for sure.

]]> By: DallasNE http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/comment-page-2/#comment-3759943 DallasNE Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:38:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/#comment-3759943 This is a dog bites man story. I know of few people outside the Bush administration that ever saw that option as working. Lets see, 70 dead Americans a month for 2 years while we tinkered with a policy that had no chance for success from the beginning. And Bush gets angry for Reid saying that Iraq is looking a lot like Vietnam. Hell, with Kissinger as a top advisor, what would you expect. Kissinger took two years to agree on the shape of a table for peace talks over Vietnam thinking that "wait them out" was all it would take. It didn't work then and to no one's surprise it hasn't worked now either. This is a dog bites man story. I know of few people outside the Bush administration that ever saw that option as working. Lets see, 70 dead Americans a month for 2 years while we tinkered with a policy that had no chance for success from the beginning. And Bush gets angry for Reid saying that Iraq is looking a lot like Vietnam. Hell, with Kissinger as a top advisor, what would you expect. Kissinger took two years to agree on the shape of a table for peace talks over Vietnam thinking that “wait them out” was all it would take. It didn’t work then and to no one’s surprise it hasn’t worked now either.

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/comment-page-2/#comment-3759904 Marie Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:00:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/#comment-3759904 Were there applause signs off stage? Why did these people applaud? C-Span had a caller on that morning, advertising that Bush was coming to his small town at his request. The man didn't sound crazy, but there must be something in the water in Tipp City causing people to lose their senses. Were there applause signs off stage? Why did these people applaud?
C-Span had a caller on that morning, advertising that Bush was coming to his small town at his request. The man didn’t sound crazy, but there must be something in the water in Tipp City causing people to lose their senses.

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/comment-page-2/#comment-3759900 Marie Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:56:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/#comment-3759900 #26 s Thanks for the link. It was an effort, but I managed to sit through it all. Incredible. This is the most powerful leader in the world - a moron; he can't complete a sentence, much less a thought. #26 s
Thanks for the link. It was an effort, but I managed to sit through it all. Incredible. This is the most powerful leader in the world – a moron; he can’t complete a sentence, much less a thought.

]]> By: SouthWest Bob http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/comment-page-2/#comment-3759895 SouthWest Bob Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:51:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/#comment-3759895 The practical and significant problem with "We'll stand down when they stand up" slogan for the military is that at some point, the US military must give the Iraq soldiers the same weapons and equipment they are using. BUT, it is unclear who is loyal to the USA and it is very likely that the weapons and equipment might end up being used against the USA. This problem will not go away any time soon so the oft repeated bushie slogan cannot be utilized as a benchmark to signal Iraq readiness to assume control of their country. As we all suspected, the cheney/rove/bush plan is to have American soldiers in Iraq forever. The practical and significant problem with “We’ll stand down when they stand up” slogan for the military is that at some point, the US military must give the Iraq soldiers the same weapons and equipment they are using. BUT, it is unclear who is loyal to the USA and it is very likely that the weapons and equipment might end up being used against the USA.

This problem will not go away any time soon so the oft repeated bushie slogan cannot be utilized as a benchmark to signal Iraq readiness to assume control of their country. As we all suspected, the cheney/rove/bush plan is to have American soldiers in Iraq forever.

]]> By: hellinabucket http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/comment-page-2/#comment-3759888 hellinabucket Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:45:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/#comment-3759888 Mr. President, you've lied too many times for me to believe anything more you say. WMD's, Democracy in Iraq, Al Qiada ties to Iraq, We'll stand down when they stand up are all lies. And I'm only talking about the Iraq conflict and not the rest of your tarnished terms. Oil, vengence, delusions or whatever pipe dream you and your cohorts had was never enough to convince the american people. You talked tough but bankrupted the military. Thanks for reminding me why I will not trust you and your administration. Impeachment is in your future. Mr. President, you’ve lied too many times for me to believe anything more you say. WMD’s, Democracy in Iraq, Al Qiada ties to Iraq, We’ll stand down when they stand up are all lies. And I’m only talking about the Iraq conflict and not the rest of your tarnished terms.

Oil, vengence, delusions or whatever pipe dream you and your cohorts had was never enough to convince the american people. You talked tough but bankrupted the military.

Thanks for reminding me why I will not trust you and your administration.

Impeachment is in your future.

]]> By: Keith H. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/comment-page-2/#comment-3759865 Keith H. Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:24:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/#comment-3759865 Look, it's been clear for a long long time that whatever these pigs say there intent is . . . is just a freaking smoke-screen . . . <i>every single time</i>. They use that tactic, over and over, to keep this horrible nightmare alive. As well as whatever else suits them. They've wanted to suck the U.S. Treasury dry from the start . . . and they've accomplished that. The longer this goes on . . . the better they like it. What is so hard to understand about that ? In my opinion, they are getting things just the way they like it. As long as everyone just calls them . . . stupid, incompetent, worst president ever, etc., they are more than fine with that. Their attitude is, call me what you will, I couldn't care less . . . legacy ? . . . who the hell cares . . . I'm getting things my way . . . and I'm takin' it to the bank . . . see you all in hell . . . Don't bother us now, I've got to go play on the ranch, go hunting, take my new 70 foot boat out for a spin, then go on vacation . . . again. Look, it’s been clear for a long long time that whatever these pigs say there intent is . . . is just a freaking smoke-screen . . . every single time.
They use that tactic, over and over, to keep this horrible nightmare alive. As well as whatever else suits them. They’ve wanted to suck the U.S. Treasury dry from the start . . . and they’ve accomplished that. The longer this goes on . . . the better they like it. What is so hard to understand about that ?
In my opinion, they are getting things just the way they like it.
As long as everyone just calls them . . . stupid, incompetent, worst president ever, etc., they are more than fine with that. Their attitude is, call me what you will, I couldn’t care less . . . legacy ? . . . who the hell cares . . . I’m getting things my way . . . and I’m takin’ it to the bank . . . see you all in hell . . . Don’t bother us now, I’ve got to go play on the ranch, go hunting, take my new 70 foot boat out for a spin, then go on vacation . . . again.

]]> By: ggibson http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/comment-page-2/#comment-3759861 ggibson Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:21:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/#comment-3759861 <i>have to defeat the insurgents and secure control of troubled provinces </i> Well the "insurgents" are the people of Iraq who never attacked America... and the "troubled provinces" is their HOMES... So the plan is to kill people in their homes doing exactly what America started doing in 1776? Nice.... Real American like... have to defeat the insurgents and secure control of troubled provinces

Well the “insurgents” are the people of Iraq who never attacked America… and the “troubled provinces” is their HOMES… So the plan is to kill people in their homes doing exactly what America started doing in 1776? Nice…. Real American like…

]]> By: TSop http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/comment-page-1/#comment-3759831 TSop Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:36:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/#comment-3759831 Remember when Rummy was lying about the number of "Brigades" that have been equipped and trained? It was like the shell game - 140,000 or is it 120,000, or no...no it is 160,000. Now I guess it is 0. We need to support Kucinich's Impeachment efforts and get these incompetent idiots out! Remember when Rummy was lying about the number of “Brigades” that have been equipped and trained? It was like the shell game – 140,000 or is it 120,000, or no…no it is 160,000. Now I guess it is 0.

We need to support Kucinich’s Impeachment efforts and get these incompetent idiots out!

]]> By: susan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/comment-page-1/#comment-3759829 susan Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:35:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/#comment-3759829 No way Bushco./Corp. America leaves all the invested money, bases, and future windfall profits etc..They would do anything to hang on including encouraging another 9/11, or I believe instigating unrest here at home,...anything. and...Be very wary of Hillary or any other corp. canidate as they have already been locked-in to continue this war of excuses. No way Bushco./Corp. America leaves all the invested money, bases, and future windfall profits etc..They would do anything to hang on including encouraging another 9/11, or I believe instigating unrest here at home,…anything.

and…Be very wary of Hillary or any other corp. canidate as they have already been locked-in to continue this war of excuses.

]]> By: dukane http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/comment-page-1/#comment-3759823 dukane Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:10:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/#comment-3759823 wow, that is quite depressing wow, that is quite depressing

]]> By: GSD http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/comment-page-1/#comment-3759819 GSD Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:03:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/#comment-3759819 Holy Schicklebruber. Have Bush and Rove ordered a cake in celebration of holiday? -GSD Holy Schicklebruber.

Have Bush and Rove ordered a cake in celebration of holiday?

-GSD

]]> By: Uncle Ho http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/comment-page-1/#comment-3759817 Uncle Ho Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:54:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/#comment-3759817 The Iraqi security forces are less effective and cohesive than the ARVN, who we spent 20 years building/training/supporting. ARVN fell completely apart in a matter of days in 1975. Let's save ourselves further grief and casualties. A full and complete withdrawal of ALL American personnel immediately. Damn! blockquote still not working. Anyone else having problems with it & italic? The Iraqi security forces are less effective and cohesive than the ARVN, who we spent 20 years building/training/supporting. ARVN fell completely apart in a matter of days in 1975. Let’s save ourselves further grief and casualties. A full and complete withdrawal of ALL American personnel immediately. Damn! blockquote still not working. Anyone else having problems with it & italic?

]]> By: John Gilpins http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/comment-page-1/#comment-3759814 John Gilpins Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:40:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/#comment-3759814 BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN McCain is giving me 'BAD VIBRATIONS.' Bad parody! Bad Beach Boys' lyrics! Mr. Mcain, me thinks your surf board hit you in the head. Mr. McCain, me thinks you will have lots of time to watch 'Beach Blanket Bingo.' Your presidential campaign was just hit by a tsunami. My day will be complete if we hear a song from Rudy. Let's have another parody. Here's a good song: 'WIVES AND LOVERS.' BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN. BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN John BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN
BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN

McCain is giving me ‘BAD VIBRATIONS.’ Bad parody! Bad Beach Boys’ lyrics!

Mr. Mcain, me thinks your surf board hit you in the head.

Mr. McCain, me thinks you will have lots of time to watch ‘Beach Blanket Bingo.’ Your presidential campaign was just hit by a tsunami.

My day will be complete if we hear a song from Rudy. Let’s have another parody. Here’s a good song: ‘WIVES AND LOVERS.’

BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN.
BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN

John

]]> By: MADMAX http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/comment-page-1/#comment-3759797 MADMAX Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:43:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/19/as-iraqis-stand-up-well-stand-down/#comment-3759797 #26 This is so embarrassing that this guy is our president. Where are they finding these audiences? I just can't believe that anybody respects him. He's not even an effective liar. I just hope we can survive until 2008. #26 This is so embarrassing that this guy is our president. Where are they finding these audiences? I just can’t believe that anybody respects him. He’s not even an effective liar. I just hope we can survive until 2008.

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