Rove: ‘I Wish The Iraq War Never Existed,’ It Was ‘Osama Bin Laden’s Idea’
Rove: ‘I Wish The Iraq War Never Existed,’ It Was ‘Osama Bin Laden’s Idea’
On a visit to Ohio yesterday, White House senior political adviser Karl Rove claimed he never wanted the war in Iraq:
“I wish the war were over,” Rove said. “I wish the war never existed... History has given us a challenge.”
History shows Rove was exceptionally eager in 2002 for the upcoming Iraq war, anxious to reap what he viewed would be the political gains for conservatives leading another military conflict:
In January 2002, Rove told conservatives, “Americans trust the Republicans to do a better job of keeping our communities and our families safe…We can also go to the country on this issue because they trust the Republican Party to do a better job of protecting and strengthening America’s military might and thereby protecting America.”
In June 2002, Rove was giving PowerPoint presentations candidates advising them to “focus on the war” in their fall campaigns.
In August 2002, Rove was chairing the White House Iraq Group, whose mission was to “develop a strategy for publicizing the White House’s assertion that Saddam Hussein posed a threat to the United States.”
In September 2002, Time reported that when friends asked whether Bush planned to invade Iraq, Rove was been known to reply, “Let me put it this way: If you want to see Baghdad, you’d better visit soon.”
Former White House counterterrorism director Richard Clarke later wrote that the Iraq “crisis was manufactured, and Bush political adviser Karl Rove was telling Republicans to ‘run on the war.’”
Rove also claimed yesterday that it was bin Laden, not President Bush, who decided to launch the Iraq war:
In a question-and-answer period after his speech, Rove was asked whose idea it was to start a pre-emptive war in Iraq.
“I think it was Osama bin Laden’s,” Rove replied.
Rove’s comments are part of re-emerging tactic by the Bush administration to associate the ongoing war in Iraq with 9/11. Rove and company appear to have forgotten that President Bush said 9/11 had “nothing” to do with the war in Iraq.
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clinton never wanted the iraq war either…
April 19th, 2007 at 1:27 pmKarl, you and Alberto should get together and discuss your “hindsights”…
April 19th, 2007 at 1:28 pmOsama wrote the PNAC manifesto???? Call the FBI… raid the PNAC members homes…
April 19th, 2007 at 1:28 pmBuyers remorse.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:30 pmIt was Clinton’s idea.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:30 pmJeezus Fewking Kryst Karl.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:31 pmWell, we’ve got something in common. I wish Rove never existed.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:31 pmWhat Rove really means: I wish the war hadn’t been such political gold for the Republican party in 2004, I also wish that the reality of war had not ruined the Republican party for 2006 and 2008, hopefully we can blame it all our failures on the Democrats.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:32 pm“We have no excuses to make for it.”
April 19th, 2007 at 1:33 pm- Karl Rove, on the Iraq war, June 13, 2006.
WTF does Osama Bin Laden have to do with Iraq Mr. Rove?
April 19th, 2007 at 1:33 pm#1 - Don’t forget, Pres. Clinton was responsible for the US not being attacked by terrorists during his entire 8 years in office after the attempted WTC bombing in 1993!
Nobody ever remembers how good Pres. Bush protected Americans after that time. Of course, US interests were attacked in other countires, but nowhere near the number of American casualties that Pres. Bush has presided over.
The terrorists attacked the US only AFTER Pres. Bush was in office! Not again while Pres. Clinton was in office!
(This is the only logical corallary to the argument “no terrorist attack on US soil since Sept. 11th” of which the neo-cons are proud.)
April 19th, 2007 at 1:34 pmSo he has many opinions about the war. So what? Don’t you? Rove is a complex person. I’m complex, too. As most of you. For example, I don’t like American Idol, but my kids do. So I like it because they do.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:34 pmWelcome to adulthood you terrorist enablers.
When did President Bush say “9/11 has nothing to do with the war in Iraq”?
April 19th, 2007 at 1:34 pmI am just wondering how that permanent Republican majority working out.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:34 pmWhat a douche.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:35 pmPerhaps. Perhaps he assumed the ignorant cowboy and the amoral neo-cons in the administration could be goaded into undertaking an un-winnable and counterproductive war, decimating the nation’s armed services, costing trillions and turning our credibility and reputation in the world to dust.
Hope you’re happy Karl.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:35 pm…Rove was giving PowerPoint presentations candidates…
…Rove was been known to reply…
Rove’s comments are part of re-emerging tactic…
Not to be a grammar Nazi, TP, but do you folks need an editor?
These sorts of errors are just plain sloppy.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:36 pmPosted this on the previous thread, but it becomes more apropos with each passing thread:
A new study has confirmed that the average American eats a meal at a fast food restaurant 5 times per week.
A separate study has found that the “hamburger†used at fast food restaurants contains substantial amounts of feces (cow sh*t) in it.
It is scientifically accepted that we, humans, are literally composed of that in which we consume (eat and drink).
These all, then, explain with crystal clarity why the words, promises, and proclamations made by Americans tend to be utter bullsh*t.
Carry on.
By the way, the sh*t in the burger thing is as real as it gets. Now you know. Enjoy.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:36 pmRover didn’t want the Iraq War? How else was he gonna get Dubya reelected in 2004? He needed that war and he went for it with all the gusto of an addict taking the hit of another fix.
Take the war out of the equation in 2004 and Dubay loses by ten points. Rove knows that too, which is why this refabrication of history is being proferred.
Why is the MSM so ignorant in it’s taking stenography for the adminstration and then printing it without putting it into context? It’s a lie at its heart, just like everything else coming out of the Bush administration these days.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:36 pmBut…
They’ll find a way to blame him anyway…
A MASSIVE SURPLUS to a MASSIVE DEFICIT…CLinton’s fault
A SURGING ECONOMY to a PLUNGING INCOMES…Clinton’s fault
A STABLE DIPLOMATIC PRESIDENCY to a SECRETIVE LAWLESS DICTATORSHIP…Clinton’s fault
A BEACON of HOPE to a FLICKER of DESPARITY…CLinton’s fault
A WELL VERSED PRESIDENT to a RAMBLING IDIOT…Clinton’s fault
I could go on, but you get the point!!!
Now, he was a threat and it was the right thing to do to I wish the war never existed…Osama’s fault
DAYUM!!! BUSH IS AN IDIOT!!!!
April 19th, 2007 at 1:36 pm#12 - Because he made the mistake of telling the truth, rather than continuing his spin that al Quida was coordinating with Iraq to attack the US.
It’s well known that Saddam kicked Usama bin Laden out of Iraq, and that UbL said that Iraq was under Satanic (Shaitan) influences because they allowed women to vote and hold office in government.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:36 pmJeff,
At least that stinky Sanjaya kid is gone.
Otherwise I don’t get your logic-connection you are trying to make.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:38 pmThat’s an awfully harsh assessment of the Bush administration Jeff. But it’s spot on and I agree completely. Their policies have done more to enable terrorists than can be measured. The Iraq War was a Golden Ticket for al-Qaeda.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:38 pmThere is a link to it in the video. I think you missed placed your quotation marks. In the post above the quotes are around the “nothing” because that was his answer to a question when asked “What does Iraq have to do with the attacks on the World Trade Center?”
April 19th, 2007 at 1:39 pmseems that Karl Rove is following the dictum of Joseph Goebells(the Nazi War Propaganda Minister)which is “if you lie over and over again, it will eventually become the truth.”
April 19th, 2007 at 1:40 pm#12 - Sorry, misread your question.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/attack/140133_bushiraq18.html
Pres. Bush said this in November of 2003, well after Iraq was invaded. he no longer had to continue his “spin” that Iraq was responsible for Sept. 11th because the US had taken our attention away from the “war on terra” and had begun “nation building” and “securing the oil”.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:40 pmClearly Rove is saying 911 was OBL’s idea and preemptive strike was needed. He’s just reaffirming the Iraq tie to the larger WOT. But you foks are gonna sit on this thread for an hour arguing semantics and angles and so on.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:40 pmWhen did President Bush say “9/11 has nothing to do with the war in Iraq�
Comment by Elizabeth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSunCsrkLTw
April 19th, 2007 at 1:40 pm#11 - “Welcome to adulthood you terrorist enablers.” Comment by jeff — April 19, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
Let us know when you reach puberty, you hater of the US Constitution !
April 19th, 2007 at 1:41 pmI don’t watch American Idol. Unless my kids are watching it. And I enjoy the experience with my kids. What is so complicated about that?
April 19th, 2007 at 1:42 pmre # 12
“Jake” use the google
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3118262.stm
April 19th, 2007 at 1:42 pmDemocrat Soldier:
That doesn’t anser my question. I know that Bush said “Iraq was not behind 9/11″ but that is not the same as “9/11 has nothing to do with the war in Iraq.” Doesn’t anyone else remember that’s exactly HOW this Administration sold the war against Iraq? “After 9/11, we can’t afford to wait . . .”
Look, I disagree completely with Bush on Iraq and never bought his pre-emptive argument that we couldn’t wait for Saddam to become an imminent threat. Even if there were weapons of mass destruction, which we found no stockpiles. All this wasted effort could have done wonders at our own borders and in Afghanistan instead.
But we don’t need to completely twist around Bush’s words to make those points.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:42 pmGosh, now rove is using the rovian denial technique. . . .
“History has given us a challenge.â€
Guess we can expect some shift boating of Mr. History now.
The ironic side of these neo-con, hawks is their eagerness to claim that only they can keep Americans safe, but when they can’t it, history is to blame.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:43 pmIf you are going to be the primary adviser to a “War President” you better have good reasons for going to War and then prosecute the War well. But then, if you are using the War for politicol purposes (2002, 2004, 2006), you deserve what you get and the sycophants in your party deserve to be thrown out of power.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:44 pmThey hate us for our freedoms *beep*
If we don’t fight them there, we will fight them here *beep*
Progress is being made *beep*
*end transmission*
April 19th, 2007 at 1:45 pmClearly Rove is saying 911 was OBL’s idea and preemptive strike was needed. He’s just reaffirming the Iraq tie to the larger WOT. But you foks are gonna sit on this thread for an hour arguing semantics and angles and so on.
Comment by jeff
I am sure glad this type of person is becoming a bigger and bigger minority…
April 19th, 2007 at 1:45 pmThis is the part that always gets me angry.
There is no credible evidence anywhere that links Iraq with 9/11. There never has been and there never will be a connection. And yet there still seem to be people who drink the kool-aid and will swear to their dying day that Saddam was flying one of the planes.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:46 pm“Clearly Rove is saying 911 was OBL’s idea and preemptive strike was needed. He’s just reaffirming the Iraq tie to the larger WOT. But you foks are gonna sit on this thread for an hour arguing semantics and angles and so on.
Comment by jeff ”
that’s great except that Iraq had and has nothing to do with 9-11. so attacking iraq does nothing to catch bin laden or stop al-queda. it’s all just more lies, you stooge.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:46 pmI don’t watch American Idol. Unless my kids are watching it. And I enjoy the experience with my kids. What is so complicated about that?
Comment by jeff
I dont know, but I dont allow my kids to watch that trash. Too many Americans think that being a “super star” is reality … I guess that is why America has to import computer programers from China and India…
April 19th, 2007 at 1:47 pmdon’t like American Idol, but my kids do. So I like it because they do.
Welcome to adulthood you terrorist enablers.
Comment by jeffy pop — April 19, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
Huh?
April 19th, 2007 at 1:48 pmLet me get this straight. You personally don’t like American Idol, but because your kids do, you now like it?
Cheesus, no wonder they call you ditto heads! Can’t you stick to your own ideology and thoughts without conforming to what others believe?
Karl got it wrong- it was JEFF GANNON’s idea.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:48 pmI agree, el lizardbreath, Bush does a perfectly acceptable job of completely twisting around words to make points, he doesn’t need any help from us.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:48 pmjeff,
Lame attempt.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:49 pmThank you, ben and ggibson, for proving my point. Bush never said: “9/11 has nothing to do with the war in Iraq.” In fact, he has always said the exact opposite and never admitted his leap of logic.
Thanks also for the link, bob (not the hacker), but did you see my point above:
“Saddam was not involved in 9/11″ is not the same as “9/11 has nothing to do with the war in Iraq.â€
April 19th, 2007 at 1:50 pmIn a question-and-answer period after his speech, Rove was asked whose idea it was to start a pre-emptive war in Iraq.
“I think it was Osama bin Laden’s,†Rove replied.
Exactly. This war was exactly what bin Laden hoped for from us. And Bush eagerly complied. That’s why the tape bin Laden released in October ‘04 was intended to help Bush get re-elected, as the CIA determined.
Bush is Osama’s best ally.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:51 pm“Elizabeth” sez:
Sophistry….and not even good sophistry, either. All you’re doing is repeating the same dodge Chimpy used when asked that question.
Yes, I remember that lie well…along with the WMD lie.
Watch the linked video of Bush speaking, and then try to tell us who’s twisting words.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:52 pmVery funny, Raven. I think you are missing my point though.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:52 pm“But we don’t need to completely twist around Bush’s words to make those points.
Comment by Elizabeth — April 19, 2007 @ 1:42 pm”
There is NO twisting…..
Bush was asked….. “What does Iraq have to do with 9/11?”
Bush answered….. “NOTHING”
No ambiguity there!!!! No twisting there!!!!
April 19th, 2007 at 1:53 pmGonzo back on in 10-9-8-7- gotta go………….
April 19th, 2007 at 1:53 pmraynman,
April 19th, 2007 at 1:55 pmYou’re mad because there is a connection and you can’t handle it. Yeah, it’s an indirect connection. Yeah it was trumped up by the Bush admin. But they knew there would be tremendous opposition and few chances to start the revolution to end Islamic terrorism. It really is that simple.
I don’t drink koolaid. I don’t particularly like Bush or the rest, for sure. Bush can’t quantify the Iraq/Terror link anymore than you can quantify the so-called increase in terror as it relates to the Iraq war. You just can’t. It’s voodoo statistics.
Elizabeth…
And Your point would be?
If he said the Iraq had NOTHING to do with the Iraq War, then the Iraq war has NOTHING to do with 9/11!!!
The LIES are WELL documented, and all you have to do is read, BAKER, CLARKE, etc.
It has been DEBUNKED, DISCREDITED, and THOROUGHLY trashed by many (including conservatives) except those devoid of reality. Just look it up on GOOGLE or any alternate sources, and you will see for yourself.
THAT should not be too difficult for you or anyone else, “if” you are really looking for the truth…
April 19th, 2007 at 1:56 pmRegardless of the phony reasons for attacking Iraq, cheney/rove/bush have failed to accomplish anything that will help America. While their business pals are richer and oil companies are richer; unfortunately more people hate the USA, America is in debt to countries who would like to inflect lots of financial pain on the USA, and the domestic agenda is a mess. That’s the failure of this president and his henchmen.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:58 pm—-
In a question-and-answer period after his speech, Rove was asked whose idea it was to start a pre-emptive war in Iraq.
“I think it was Osama bin Laden’s,†Rove replied.
—-
There. It’s official. The Bush administration is working for the terrorists.
- Tom
April 19th, 2007 at 1:58 pmI just lost my lunch.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:58 pmAnd this man has the President’s ear. Notice to all republicans. You will be in the minority for many years and Karl Rove is a large reason why.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:01 pmSo Osama has been calling the shots all this time? That sounds about right.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:02 pmJeff,
Who the f*ck are you? I mean, you don’t agree with DUMBYA, but yet you feel that this war hasn’t created more terrorists in the process???
I guess you are another one of those who think that a ribbon on your bumper supports thr troops???
Get a clue clown! Your sense of reality and common sense is what has us in this quagmire in the first place!
April 19th, 2007 at 2:02 pmOk, let me see if I have this right.
Rove says it was Osama Bin Laden’s idea for the U.S. to attack Iraq.
The Bushmen, including Rove, pushed for the U.S. to attack Iraq.
Wouldn’t it follow then, that the Bushmen were aiding and abetting the enemy of the U.S., who attacked the U.S. on 9-11 and, therefore, the Bushmen are traitors?
April 19th, 2007 at 2:02 pmjeff is a terrorist enabler. every bullet, bomb and soldier we waste in Iraq is one less we have to find, fight and kill the real terrorists. not to mention the hatred that jeff and his ilk are generating against us in the arab community with his senseless war.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:03 pmThank you, ben and ggibson, for proving my point. Bush never said: “9/11 has nothing to do with the war in Iraq.†In fact, he has always said the exact opposite and never admitted his leap of logic.
Thanks also for the link, bob (not the hacker), but did you see my point above:
“Saddam was not involved in 9/11″ is not the same as “9/11 has nothing to do with the war in Iraq.â€
Comment by Elizabeth — April 19, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
Jake, give it up.
We understand that you like to wear women’s underpants while you type in your mom’s basement; we don’t judge you for that.
It’s your obstinance and obstructionism that screws up these threads. I’m sure that’s your goal. But many good-intentioned posters who don’t recognize you or haven’t tried to debate you before will engage your fatuous empty rhetoric, believing you when you say you are a female Democrat adoption worker or a 75-year-old registered independent Korean War vet, rather than the poorly-paid RNC troll that you are. And it just wastes everyone’s time, because they don’t realize you’re not interested in meaningful debate, only in f*cking with people. Most conservatives like you realize that the arena of meaningful debate doesn’t favor your views, so your most effective strategy is to disrupt and misdirect.
For instance, your infantile parsing of words to achieve the narrowest explication possible in order to buttress your arguments against all reason is tiresome and has been ever since you started on this forum.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:03 pmHey Karl, you poppin’ fresh doughboy, where the hell is Osama?
April 19th, 2007 at 2:04 pmto #12
I most notably remembered the linked (below) denouncement of a question from last summer. Found the video easy on this very site. It’s pretty simple and straight forward, though Bush does try to complicate it a bit after he catches what he’s done.
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/21/bush-on-911/
April 19th, 2007 at 2:04 pmjeff sez:
Prove it. Show us some proof of this ‘connection’, or admit it never existed.
Oh, is that what we’re doing? Because it looks a lot like we’re trying to manufacture as many terrorists and enemies of the state as we possibly can.
No…you steep in it.
Well, now…isn’t that a convenient dodge…coupled with a sneaky little movement of the goalposts.
We weren’t talking about the Iraq/Terror link…we were talking about the Iraq/9-11 link (the one that never existed).
And yes, it is possible to quantify such a link…if you had any evidence of this link, you’d be knocking yourself out quantifying it right now…but you don’t, so you claim it’s ‘voodoo statistics’.
Only a neocon kool-aid drinker would put the words ‘voodoo’ and ’statistics’ together…such is their aversion to facts.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:04 pm#46
April 19th, 2007 at 2:06 pm‘Cause you’re pointless.
Your own circumlocution leads nowhere but back to the same starting point… oops, well, you’ve got a point there………..
Hook, line, and sinker, eh Mr. Rove? The brain behind Bush? the voice he hears when asking Jesus whether or not to invade and occupy? Good night and good luck.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:09 pm#
Clearly Rove is saying 911 was OBL’s idea and preemptive strike was needed. He’s just reaffirming the Iraq tie to the larger WOT. But you foks are gonna sit on this thread for an hour arguing semantics and angles and so on.
Comment by jeff — April 19, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
No, he clearly answered the question about whose idea was it to start a preemptive war against Iraq by saying it was OBL’s. You are reinterpreting what he said, according to your own perceptual screen.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:09 pmdid you see my point above:
“Saddam was not involved in 9/11″ is not the same as “9/11 has nothing to do with the war in Iraq.â€
elizibit
so justify attacking Iraq because of 9-11. keep in mind that the canard that “everyone else thought saddam had wmd” is crap because “everyone” based their belief of that on information that was willfully twisted by the bush adminstration. keep in mind that clinton didn’t say saddam had wmd, he said he didn’t know if he did or not.
bush chose to invade a country under pretensions that turned out to be false.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:10 pmI don’t watch American Idol. Unless my kids are watching it. And I enjoy the experience with my kids. What is so complicated about that?
Comment by jeff
Give them a good book and throw the TV out of your house. They will become numbskulls like you. There is hope for them.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:10 pmI just wish Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Bush…et al had never existed
April 19th, 2007 at 2:11 pm“I think it was Osama bin Laden’s.†to attack Iraq…
Really? So Bush is taking directives from bin Laden? Hmmmm, sounds like he’s consorting with the enemy.
traitor
April 19th, 2007 at 2:14 pmLet’s face it the only reason Old Bushies went into Iraq was for OIL,OIL,OIL
April 19th, 2007 at 2:14 pmand to make his cronies richer. We will stay in Iraq until they sign that law to give the Four US Companies a 30 year contract to steal the Iraq OIL. The law is being writen in English and behine closed doors.
Osama probalbly wishes he had thought up the Iraq war. I believe he hoped and expected to draw the U.S. into a quagmire in Afghanistan after 9/11. When the Bushites decided to knock off Saddam too, he probably peed his pants with joy.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:17 pmMessage to Turd Blossom : Go Phuck Yourself.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:18 pmPoor Turdblossom, all his sandcastles have washed out to sea.
Nice work Boy Genius.
You took Bush from 90% approval to 29% approval in the polls.
You took your Republic Party from a majority in the house, senate and governorships to a minority in all.
You have increased your oppsoing parties generic approval by 15%.
Heckuva job Turdblossom.
-GSD
April 19th, 2007 at 2:18 pmIf we’re going to be wishing, I wish that these power hungry, greedy, unethical, amoral neo-cons dimwits and their sleazy, enabling douche bags political charlatans like Rove had never existed.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:18 pmWhere can I contact Karl Rove to get the in depth description on why it’s OBL’s idea about invading Iraq. Did they have formal meetings to discuss this or was it just the normal emails? I would think today’s trolls would want to know the same. How does Uncle Rove come to that conclusion?
I want to ask but don’t know what email server to send it to.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:21 pmThere’s no denying that there’s a link between Iraq and terrorism…. the only problem for conservatives is that this link, tenuous and weak as it was under Saddam’s Iraq, became a pipeline once Iraq ‘fell’. We’ve turned Iraq into a virtual training ground for terrorists.
So, by drinking the koolaid and invading Iraq for its specious connections to world wide terrorism, we have, in effect, created exactly what we went there to stop. And now to use that as the reason for staying in Iraq without first acknowledging responsibility for its creation reeks of hypocrisy.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:21 pmWell put #76. Bush, as a recovering alcoholic, should know that admitting you have a problem is the 1st step. This administration should admit the missteps taken in Iraq has created the very thing they wanted to avoid.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:25 pmFine, guys. I’m done. I had no idea I was repeating the same dodge Chimpy used when asked that question too. Now, along with needing to do something about Social Security, I agree with Bush on two things.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:25 pmMaybe you should go back to your obsession with McCain, el lizardbreath, he’s sinking fast, he could use some more of your points………
April 19th, 2007 at 2:29 pmElizabeth,
What would you propose we do with Social Security?
April 19th, 2007 at 2:29 pmHow does Rove know that the idea came from Osama? Does Karl have his phone number? He wouldn’t know where OBL is or anything, and not tell us, I mean…
April 19th, 2007 at 2:30 pmShameless.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:30 pm#76,
There’s no denying that there’s a link between Iraq and terrorism…
Absolutely correct. What America has done and is doing in Iraq is an act of terrorism on a scale previously unimaginable.
Let’s see, OBL (theoretically) killed 3,000 Americans. Americans, not ones to be outdone, responded by killing 3,300 Americans and upped the ante further by murdering 650,000 plus Iraqis.
Yup, OBL is a bad bad man. But he ain’t got sh*t on us! Freakin’ rookie.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:31 pmFine, guys. I’m done. Comment by Elizabeth
And here I thought you were only half-baked.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:32 pm“I wish the war were over,†Rove said. “I wish the war never existed… ”
omigod - he and I actually AGREE on something?! I’d better check the color of the moon tonight!
April 19th, 2007 at 2:34 pmPLC:
What’s wrong with being half baked?
April 19th, 2007 at 2:35 pmYou are right. The US is in Iraq killing innocent people, creating more terrorists. There is absolutely a connection.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:42 pm#84,
April 19th, 2007 at 2:43 pmLine of the day so far…
Fine, guys. I’m done. I had no idea I was repeating the same dodge Chimpy used when asked that question too. Now, along with needing to do something about Social Security, I agree with Bush on two things.
Comment by Elizabeth
Here is an illustration of the extent of intellect and creative thinking of the poeple who back this administration. They only see a few simple solutions to an array of complex issues.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:45 pmIt was Bin Ladin who started the war…….
Who takes the credit for ‘Mission Accomplished’?!
Was also the war of 1991 with Iraq which Bush,Sr. started also Bin Ladin’s work…?!
April 19th, 2007 at 2:46 pmYes, the abomination in Iraq has a definite link to terrorism. After all the whole thing started with a terrorist attack called “Shock & Awe”.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:48 pm“Elizabeth” sez:
See you later, Shakey. ^_^
April 19th, 2007 at 2:49 pmIt is good that Rove didn’t blame the war on Sanjaya.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:50 pmI guess I’m on “Elizabeth’s” Ignore Listâ„¢.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:52 pmThe ONE TRILLION Dollar question remains…
…are there SERIOUS consequences to be paid…
…for the CRIMINAL BUSHITES’ misdeeds?
…or do we say to the people of America…
…NO ONE will EVER be held accountable for anything again?
…inquiring minds want to know…
…HAS Amerikkka sold its soul for Bushiva, L’il Dick and the corporate- ZIONIST ALLIANCE?
April 19th, 2007 at 2:57 pmI didn’t know that OBL was Dick Cheney.
April 19th, 2007 at 3:03 pmWill Karl Rove et al…
…be required to “SACRIFICE” for their dishonesty?
…this question is worth ONE TRILLION DOLLARS!
…and Amerikkka’s soul…
April 19th, 2007 at 3:03 pmOBL is a PNACr now?!?!?!
April 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmJuan C there is a time and place for TV and for books. You know it’s very ill placed telling other people how to raise their children. Noone receives that well, lib or otherwise.
April 19th, 2007 at 3:06 pmYou people need to start articulating a plan to end terror before you take away the current one.
“Saddam was not involved in 9/11″ is not the same as “9/11 has nothing to do with the war in Iraq.â€
Comment by Elizabeth — April 19, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
Wow JAKE, you’re wearing a dress?
April 19th, 2007 at 3:11 pmVery funny, Raven. I think you are missing my point though.
Comment by Elizabeth — April 19, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
Betty, do you have a point?
April 19th, 2007 at 3:14 pmActually Rove is right. Getting the US bogged down in a nasty guerrilla war in the heart of the Middle East is exactly what Bin Laden was after when he launched the 9/11 attack.
So the question becomes, why were Rove and the rest of the Bushies so eager to give Bin Laden what he wanted?
April 19th, 2007 at 3:15 pmI don’t particularly like Bush or the rest, for sure. Bush can’t quantify the Iraq/Terror link anymore than you can quantify the so-called increase in terror as it relates to the Iraq war. You just can’t. It’s voodoo statistics.
Comment by jeff — April 19, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
Rove isn’t included in the “rest” you’re talking about then because that’s who you defended at the top of this thread. Remember.
April 19th, 2007 at 3:16 pmAnd it just wastes everyone’s time, because they don’t realize you’re not interested in meaningful debate, only in f*cking with people.
in order to buttress your arguments against all reason is tiresome and has been ever since you started on this forum.
Comment by KRank — April 19, 2007 @ 2:03
KRank, I think this is the only f*cking Jake gets.
And as a neocon troll he’s probably getting it in the buttress.
If Jake had a rational side your post would surely get through to him. That’s a big IF …
April 19th, 2007 at 3:24 pmYou people need to start articulating a plan to end terror before you take away the current one.
Comment by jeff — April 19, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
How about just “not making things worse” for a start? Would that count?
April 19th, 2007 at 3:29 pm“I think it was Osama bin Laden’s,†Rove replied.
When I read this I can only think he was joking. Otherwise he’s a very, very stupid and sinister man, which may well be.
April 19th, 2007 at 3:39 pmSo the question becomes, why were Rove and the rest of the Bushies so eager to give Bin Laden what he wanted?
Comment by A Hermit — April 19, 2007 @ 3:15 pm
Sounds like they were in cahoots. Not really a surprise given all the circumstances around 9/11. Maybe it was all a big plan starting with 9/11 and culminating with the attack on Iraq.
April 19th, 2007 at 3:39 pmUsing Mr. Rove’s logic, could the US invade North Korea and say it was Seung-Hui Cho’s idea?
April 19th, 2007 at 3:48 pmRove was asked whose idea it was to start a pre-emptive war in Iraq. “I think it was Osama bin Laden’s,†Rove replied.
I always suspected bin Laden worked for the republicans. Does he have his own office or does he email his orders?
April 19th, 2007 at 3:52 pmDoes he think we are stupid? Clearly.
No one’s drinking the kool-aid anymore, Karl.
Your lousy tenure in Washington is coming to an end, and it’s been a disaster.
April 19th, 2007 at 3:52 pm“I wish the war were over,†Rove said. “I wish the war never existed…â€
Gee, when those on the left say something like this, they’re accused of being terrorists, terrorist-appeasers, terrorist-enablers, traitors or that they hate the troops. Come on trolls, bring it on, it’s time to attack Rove.
April 19th, 2007 at 4:04 pmThe words “farking eedjit” come to mind. But they keep getting pushed out by “craven, war-mongering, amoral, lying political thug”.
Cheers,
April 19th, 2007 at 4:29 pmWait, if it was BinLaden’s idea to invade Iraq… is Rove saying the Bush administration has the same exact ideas and projects in mind as a wanted terrorist?
I think I remember the Bush cultists smearing anyone who said anything even remotely similar to what BinLaden uttered. Now, here we have, a few years later, a Bush henchman saying that they and Bin Laden have common military goals.
Rove is also admitting to willingly doing Bin Laden’s bidding and staying the course that a terrorist has set for them. He is a self-admitted Bin Laden tool.
For its sheer lack of logic, I don’t know that this “Bin Laden made me do it” defence will have any legs. But then again, the Bush blind followers will believe whatever line this administration spouts.
April 19th, 2007 at 4:31 pmNow wait a minute, perhaps it was bin Laden’s idea. 9/11 was like a red flag to a stupid right wing bull. He knew that the idiots in control of the US would charge right on through and do something in character (i.e. stupidly idealogical). I’m not sure he thought it would be to invade Iraq but he must’ve pissed in his kameez laughing himself silly when we drove into Bagdad. I can just see all of those jihadi morons slapping themselves on the back for how well their plan to dupe Bush worked.
So, if I’m going to believe Rove, that it was bin Laden’s idea, I must also surmize that he, Bush and the whole administration freak show allowed themselves to be suckered into the worst possible situation imaginable. So it that it fatso? bin Laden duped all ‘yall? Nice. Real nice.
April 19th, 2007 at 4:31 pmHey pig face, here’s a newsflash: No one gives a flying f%ck what you think. Especially when what you think is an utter lie.
April 19th, 2007 at 4:33 pmI finally get it, the Whitehouse is an insane asylum, its where you keep your most dangerous nuts.
April 19th, 2007 at 4:33 pm“He started it!”
Such an argument does seem to be on the appropriate maturity level ascribed to this administration.
If it were true, it would look even worse for them, because it would show how stupid, short-sighted and gullible they are.
April 19th, 2007 at 5:05 pmMr. Rove,
You sniveling, punkass, backstabbing little bag of shit. I think that you should do an extended combat tour in Iraq. Without body armor.
April 19th, 2007 at 6:01 pmKarl, “I want my Mommy.”
April 19th, 2007 at 6:06 pmI like to pull the tops off of a guy named Rove.
April 19th, 2007 at 6:17 pmKarl, “I want my Mommy.â€
Comment by David B
Actually, his mother committed suicide, look it up, that would explain some things.
April 19th, 2007 at 6:18 pmFrom Wikipedia:
Adoption, parents’ divorce, and mother’s death
In December 1969, Rove’s father left the family, and divorced Rove’s mother soon afterward. After his parents’ separation, Rove learned from his aunt and uncle that the man who had raised him was not his biological father; both he and his older brother Eric were the children of another man. Rove has expressed great love and admiration for his adoptive father and for “how selfless” his love had been.[5] Rove’s mother committed suicide in Reno, Nevada, in 1981, when Rove was 30 years old.
The man has no conscious. He’s only afraid of any law he cannot circumvent. The psychological implications are quite interesting.
April 19th, 2007 at 6:21 pmNo.77 Comment by hellinabucket — April 19, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
Well put #76. Bush, as a recovering alcoholic, should know that admitting you have a problem is the 1st step.
Somehow the view of Bush admitting, in a real way his problem, doesn’t register. I’ve been in therapy (many years ago) and he just doesn’t fit the picture (of recognition, repentance and understanding,) for the damage he did while actively drinking. I think he probably “admitted” stuff like Gonzo is doing now, in a non believable way.
Bush as a “recovering alcoholic” is still an alcoholic! He is in fact a “dry alcoholic”, in other words an alcoholic that does not drink. Now if the need is still there for escape from reality, and the booze is gone what does Bush do? Think about that walk on the Beach in 1986 with Billy Graham. Enter the “big crutch.” as savior.
April 19th, 2007 at 6:46 pmOnly now it is worse! We still have the megalomaniac’s needs, backed by the devil on his shoulder whispering, “go into Iraq”.
Youre right, Karl, it WAS Osamas idea, and you clowns played right into his hands. Nice work, dumb ass.
April 19th, 2007 at 6:56 pmRove certainly thought in 2002 that war would be an absolutely fantastic way to smear Democrats and gain seats in Congress. Give this cowardly, draft-dodging chickenhawk a gun and ship his sorry ass to Iraq for a 20-month tour of duty.
April 19th, 2007 at 6:58 pmIf I were Rove’s mother, I would have commited suicide within minutes of giving him birth.
April 19th, 2007 at 7:00 pmKarl,
Osama Bin Laden does and still exists (he hasn’t been smoked out of his cave).
It is the heavy handed and utterly naive Neocon/PNAC reaction/plan that was a dismal foreign policy failure. The result is the Iraq fiasco (we can’t just swat at flies indeed).
April 19th, 2007 at 7:26 pmI think we have found our new “WAR CZAR”, Osama seems like he knows ALL the ends and outs of war planning!
This comes as no surprise to me since bush has been business partners with the bin Ladens for decades.
Did you ever wonder why the US never really pursued him but chose to attack Saddam instead?
Did attacking Iraq/Saddam have anything to do with Saddam’s supposed intention to killing Poppy?
Did you ever wonder why the Bush Regime/Cartel/Cabal ignored the warnings after taking office in ‘01 about the terrorists threats the intelligence community was trying to get them to take SERIOUSLY and yet they were brushed aside?
Do you remember that Dick was suppose to conduct intelligence briefings, yet FAILED to hold any meetings until September?
Rove has just opened the The Doors of Perception.
I plan on doing my comic on this… Thanks TP for the heads up……
April 19th, 2007 at 8:01 pmIt was Osama’s idea? What a moment to tell the truth! Yes. It was Osama’s idea! And what does that tell us about George Bush? Yes. He is a conduit and a helpmate to Osama Bin Laden, who has been playing Bush like a circus monkey for about 12 years now. Bush and Osama? Who is smarter? Heck, it’s not even a contest! For once, Karl Rove did not lie!
April 19th, 2007 at 8:38 pmNews conference where Bush says Iraq has nothing to do with Sept 11th.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm1lVP7lIkY
April 19th, 2007 at 9:46 pmJust shut up, Karl…
April 19th, 2007 at 10:15 pm…social conservatives/conservatism…
…are/is responsible for…
…TERRORISM…
…rid the world of THEM…
…and humanity may have a chance…
April 19th, 2007 at 10:19 pmSoooooooooo, now it is confirmed that OBL is much smarter than the Administration and Pentagon put together, what a scary thought……………….
April 19th, 2007 at 10:43 pmAw geez, give Karl a break. He’s on a bit of a losing streak these days.
The man he helped sneak into the White House is now being publicly derided as “Pres Shit-For-Brains” on national television.
The party he helped put in power has turned out to be hopelessly corrupt and hideoulsy inept.
The war he helped lead the country into is threatening to end the US’s run as the world’s dominant superpower and drag us into WW III.
And he’s dodging subpoenas like an Iraqi policeman dodging bullets while on duty in downtown Bagdad.
Give the man a break. If you had told as many lies as Karl has over the last 6 yrs, you’d be having a hard time keeping them straight too.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:15 pmThe title of this article is ridiculously misleading, and your random assortment of quotes are a joke. I’m assuming that the quote about how he thought it was Bin Laden is probably in reference to Bin laden starting the war by masterminding the attacks on our country on September 11, 2001.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:20 pmI hate to say it, but, he does have a point regarding who’s idea it was. Bush made the decision to fight on Battlefield Iraq, but, it’s exactly the kind of response Bin Laden was gunning for. 9/11 was a trap.
We’ve given al Qaeda all the recruitment material they need. And in the process, we heading for economic and moral bankruptcy.
Our military is weaken, our economic future (domestic and international) is weaken, our reputation is in the crapper and we’ve compromised our values and our identity as Americans.
Terrorism is a weapon spread though anger and hate, a state of mind. You can’t fight a state of mind with bombs, bullets and blood.
“Excuse me, I can’t talk well with this hook in my lip.”
April 20th, 2007 at 12:01 amThe Iraq war is a military playground. It’s a place to use the tools of war. Not for any real purpose but to use them to maneuver on a battle field. A real time test for the record. Military goods untested have little intrinsic value.
April 20th, 2007 at 1:38 amHello!! Somthing contradictory here. First, Bush said war in Irak had nothing to do with Osama. Then “it was Osama´s Idea”(?!?)… mmm
April 20th, 2007 at 2:00 amThe irony is Rove is right. Drawing the US into a grueling war in the middle east was Osama bin Laden’s idea; it was a primary goal of 9/11, explicitly documented in confiscated Al Queda email.
April 20th, 2007 at 2:10 amPerhaps this country hasn’t been attacked again because bushco engineered 9-11 to begin with. At the very least was complacent. It’s not rocket science, and you can bet your ass when we get closer to the ‘08 election there will be another terror attack so bush can declare a military state, that bastard has no intention of leaving the whitehouse anytime soon.
April 20th, 2007 at 2:18 am“you can bet your ass when we get closer to the ‘08 election there will be another terror attack so Bush can declare a military state. That bastard has no intention of leaving the White House anytime soon…”
Ya know, No. 139, I wonder about that all the time myself, and the prospect scares the bejesus outta me. Indeed, for a man who’s supposed to vacate the WH in less than 2 yrs, he’s awfully busy trying to accrue more and more power permanently by whatever means necessary. And now that his sorry-ass performance has completely derailed any chance Jeb ever had of being Bush III, what the hey, he might as well go for broke.
I forsee a very ugly, painful end to the Bush Family Saga.
April 20th, 2007 at 2:39 amBushco did to the US what Ossama could only dream of!
April 20th, 2007 at 6:28 amSo typical of US politicians. They refuse to take responsibility for anything. Rove blames bin Lden (whoever he is) and the Dems refuse to cowboy up and take responsibility for ending the Iraq debacle. Theyre all too worried about keeping power and the money that comes with that.
April 20th, 2007 at 7:33 amJust when I thought they couldn’t get any worse. These people make me sick.
April 20th, 2007 at 9:23 amRove’s comments are part of re-emerging tactic by the Bush administration to associate the ongoing war in Iraq with 9/11.
Maybe…… or maybe it’s just the plain truth……that the bush administration is actually working directly under the orders of the bin Laden family…… who just happen to have a long history of association with the bush family……
April 20th, 2007 at 9:26 amI don’t understand, and never will understand, how people who mention 9/11 in defense of, and as justification for, the president’s actions can accept the fact that we never caught Osama.
As far as I’m concerned, the president could’ve said we all needed to wear green shirts, red pants, and yellow ties every single day while the Marines attacked Greenland and the Navy attacked Chile all because of 9/11. No matter how ridiculous it sounded, if it ended with us capturing Osama, I’d say express surprise and gratitude that it worked, then apologize for having ever doubted it would.
Attacking Iraq was slightly less ridiculous a plan, but has proven no more effective. Osama’s free. I’m pissed. Bush failed. That’s all there is to it. 6 words. No argument. Osama’s free. I’m pissed. Bush failed.
April 20th, 2007 at 9:51 amHere’s 6 more words: Osama’s been dead for two years.
April 20th, 2007 at 9:58 amHere’s six more words: Osama’s been dead for two years.
April 20th, 2007 at 10:00 amI’m not sure I understand your point. Assuming he is dead (which I didn’t know), he died free. How did we let that happen? If he’s dead, we definitely lost. It’s over now. He died free. He won. I’m sadder now than I used to be.
April 20th, 2007 at 10:15 amRove: ‘I Wish The Iraq War Never Existed,’ It Was ‘Osama Bin Laden’s Idea’
April 20th, 2007 at 10:57 amWhat will they say next?
#139 and #140; what do you thing all of the sabre rattling over Iran is for? The bushites get us all prepped for a war with Iran the way they did with Iraq, then WHAM!! Sometime in late 2008 they hit Iran. This will serve at least three purposes;1. It will allow a “honorable” withdrawl from Iraq (and save face for baby bush) in redeploying troops from Iraq to Iran. 2. It will keep the war machine fed. 3. It will keep bush in office, as “We can’t change horses in mid stream!” Now, I still think it’s worth mentioning tho in my mind it is a moot point, that impeachment would break this viscious cycle, and should happen regardless, but will it? No. The powerful oil men and industrialists who own our politicians will never allow it.
April 20th, 2007 at 12:03 pmUh it’s been 2,041 days since WMD said he’d catch Nine Eleven Conspirator Osama Bin Laden dead or alive! With each passing day it seems more and more likely that Nine Eleven was an inside job. PNAC got its new pearl harbor. AIPAC got their war on the Islamofascists. Since the presidential finding that authorized the GST shortly after 9/11 allows nearly all means necessary to capture, kill, neutralize people associated with the 9-11 attacks, I wouldn’t want to be one of those Christian Zionists! I look forward to seeing Bush brought to justice for war crimes against humanity and the world that is free!
April 20th, 2007 at 12:55 pmFrom all that I’ve read (and I’ve read a lot), Rove is right about the invasion of Iraq being Osama bin Laden’s idea. Al Qaeda couldn’t get a foothold in Iraq as long as Saddam Hussein ruled it, and even with 9/11 could only kill a few thousand Americans and cost us a few billion dollars. Osama’s wet dream was to get us America to inflict even worse wounds on itself (10,000+ dead, 500 billion dollars or more spent) while opening up Iraq for Al Qaeda.
So can’t we prosecute Rove, Bush, Cheney, and company for treason for supporting Osama bin Laden?
April 20th, 2007 at 1:01 pmWhat a coincidence!
We Americans wish ROVE never existed.
April 20th, 2007 at 1:20 pmhe must be smoking the same things as cheney. According to dumya we went there because of Sadam. BUT we all know its part of their master plab. They can run up the deficit, slash social programs, and increase surveillance against those who oppose them.
April 20th, 2007 at 1:31 pmYou people need to start articulating a plan to end terror before you take away the current one.
Comment by jeff — April 19, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
I got one. It involves having the balls to live freely and bravely. Where one doesn’t cower in fear of the boogeyman. The terror is in your mind and your heart. It is a concept and can’t be removed from existence by force.
JP
April 20th, 2007 at 1:35 pmCathlofascist, JP, couldn’t have said it better.
Well, he sorta could’ve. FDR did.
“The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.”
Truer words describing today’s state of affairs will be hard to find.
April 20th, 2007 at 1:43 pm” In a question-and-answer period after his speech, Rove was asked whose idea it was to start a pre-emptive war in Iraq.
“I think it was Osama bin Laden’s,†Rove replied.”
Osama Bin Laden is NOT, I repeat NOT wanted in connection with WMD’s in iraq, 911, or any connection to war in iraq. This according to the FBI on their website of most wanted “terrorists”.
http://www.fbi.gov/ wanted/ terrorists/ terbinladen.htm
please mr. rove, do your homework before you speak, you are embarrasing us!
April 20th, 2007 at 3:46 pmThis comment by Rove is his official declaration that Americans are all idiots. This regime wants to be the head of a world government. They can’t have all this “freedom” in the US, if it doesn’t exist everywhere, hence, your freedoms are mostly gone, or didn’t you notice that the Bill of Rights, over 200 years old, has been gutted? If you are declared an “enemy combatant” ( a nice, handy, catchall term) you get no phone call, no lawyer, no trial. Hello, anybody home? This is barely America anymore. Martial law is next, don’t let them take your firearms.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:56 pmGood Luck to us all, and the Devil take the hindmost.
“Whose idea was it to start a pre-emptive war?”
That was the actual question.
“Whose idea was it to start a pre-emptive war in Iraq?”
Is a misquote which will be corrected in tomorrow’s Akron Beacon Journal. I’ve exchanged e-mails with the reporter, Jim Carney.
They’ve already corrected the online version:
http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/17102685.htm
Rove answered the actual question as it was stated.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:11 pmYou’re off the map. Uncharted territory. Here there be monsters. Look forward to devolution US citizens. Welcome to the Independent Democratic Republic of California, Texas, Alaska, Hawaii, …
April 20th, 2007 at 5:39 pmI’m in Louisiana. Try blown off the map. Viva “Better late than Never” FEMA. :>)
Really, we were having a bulletinboard discussion about Rove’s remarks and I noticed a discrepancy between the Akron paper’s version and the version in the Canton Repository story.
http://www.cantonrep.com/ index.php?ID=349289&r=0&Category=9&subCategoryID=0
Being a registered Democrat since 1976, I wanted the TRUTH!
So, I e-mailed both reporters and asked them to clear it up.
I got an immediate response from Jim Carney at the Akron paper, saying he’d misread his notes and added “in Iraq” to the question asked of Rove.
So, ThinkProgress, the statement…
“In a question-and-answer period after his speech, Rove was asked whose idea it was to start a pre-emptive war in Iraq.
“I think it was Osama bin Laden’s,†Rove replied.
…is a misquote.
I must say, Rove was pretty quick on his feet and answered only the question that was asked. We’ll see if he’s that good if he ever testifies under oath.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:51 pmOne argument made on USENET by a supporter of the war was that in order to pull our troops out of Saudi Arabia, as bin Laden wanted us to do, we would have to remove Saddam from power first. Sure enough–after we removed Saddam from power so he could no longer threaten Saudi Arabia, we removed our troops from Saudi Arabia. That’s another reason (in addition to the reasons that Jeremy lists in #151) for bin Laden to be pleased that we invaded Iraq.
April 21st, 2007 at 12:20 amour collective stupidity is astonishing. after the compounded misery, unbridled corruption, and depravity demonstrated by the neocon thugs currently running this nation, that any republican anywhere in the nation can still be elected to anything is beyond the relm of reason. in fact it is beyond the relm of rational thought that anyone, even the dumbest moron in the most desolate backwater would even admit to ever being a republican, yet not only do they continue being elected, thankfully in smaller and smaller numbers, they continue to pretend to hold the moral high ground and act righeously indignant over the activities of all who they consider inferior.
April 21st, 2007 at 12:32 amignorant idiot
April 21st, 2007 at 1:23 amThere are a lot of idiotic comments here. Rove’s statement is not in any way an expression of regret; he is simply saying, like most militarists, that we didn’t start this war and only entered it because of we had to. Of course this is the same bullshit propaganda that Rove always spits out, but to dishonestly claim that Rove now regrets our war, or that he has had a change of mind just muddies the waters and brings us all further away from the truth.
This whole article is composed in a way that suggests (although the writer doesn’t have the guts to say outright) that Rove is contradicting his earlier position. He is doing nothing of the sort. The war-pigs always claim that they do not want war but were forced into it by their enemies.
Many posters here need to look in the mirror if they want to know why Rove has been so succesful at winning elections.
April 21st, 2007 at 1:43 pmOK so the whole US administration, from the president down, have been acting on Bin Laden’s orders all along? Is this what Rove is admitting to here? If the Iraq war really was Bin Laden’s idea, and it is an established fact that Bin Laden and Saddam Hussien where mortal enemies, so it could just be that Rove is correct and the Republican Administration were working for Bin Laden. certainly the AL-Queda recruitment has been boosted massively by the war, so Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove et all MUST have been working FOR Bin Laden. Therefore, the Whole Bush administration must be charged with treason and locked up in gitmo, waterboarded into a confession of guilt, then executed as terrorists.
This is the natural response to terrorism is it not? This will happen now, won’t it? hello?won’t it? eh?
April 21st, 2007 at 6:22 pmWhole things are crazy, at the same time revealing, that I read most of the posts (165 are posted so far).
#134 says: The title of this article is ridiculously misleading, and your random assortment of quotes are a joke. I’m assuming that the quote about how he thought it was Bin Laden is probably in reference to Bin laden starting the war by masterminding the attacks on our country on September 11, 2001 ( J T Stentson)
But, it sounds like Blacksburg’s mass murderer’s logic: “You cornered me. So, I go to kill. You are responsible for this.” Imature, illogical, distorted and, you know, dangerous since Iraq has nothing to do with 9-11. Bush acted like the law of the universe has changed since 9-11 while asserting: “We are not intimidated!” As a child, it could be innocent, but as a leader of this size of country, mental illness.
Real danger is allowing mentally sick people to get power and weapons (military). American’s allowed it, even after they saw enough craziness, gave them again to lead in 2004.
He (GW) doesn’t need to be impeached, if (only if) he can act like statesman being courageous and humble enough to apology to the world (first of all, to America and Iraq, of course) and start negotiation with all sorrounded countries while setting target date of complete withdrawal. These three pillars doesn’t stand if one is lacking; there is no other way to get around. America, get real before too late!!
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:32 amHas Rove ever done anything, ever, that was ANY GOOD? It’s a serious question, folks.
April 23rd, 2007 at 1:00 pmjeff, it is ok to like american idol, it really is. and soap opera’s, sitcoms, b-movies, loud music, obnoxious humor, ish it’s even ok to like what the bcs calls a national championship game. and white castle burgers and the national enquirer. but rove wishes a war didn’t exist anymore now that its usefulness has expired. isn’t that more than just being a complex man. i’m thinking of words like dishonest, disengenuous, manipulative, deceitful. is war to be a means to rove’s political ends?
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:21 pmMy God, actual truth from the Turd’s lips! It was Bin Laden’s Idea - Check out BL’s list of justifications for 9/11 immediately after. Number one is to get the Infidel Troops (i.e. U.S.) troops OUT OF THE SACRED SOIL OF SAUDI ARABIA! So where to put all these thousands of Infidels if not SA? Check out the map; No better place than Iraq! How long? Until the oil runs out of course….
May 2nd, 2007 at 11:09 amNatashayi
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March 17th, 2008 at 7:57 amMy Cracks and Serials
I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view
April 2nd, 2008 at 8:23 pmKyle
Apply yourself. Get all the education you can, but then, by God, do something. Don?t just stand there, make it happen
April 8th, 2008 at 2:21 am