Reid War Comment Echoes Kissinger, Senior Military Officials
Reid War Comment Echoes Kissinger, Senior Military Officials
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) is under fire from the right over his statement yesterday that the war in Iraq “is lost.”
Reid was called “reckless” and accused of “playing to the worst elements of the antiwar left.” White House Spokeswoman Dana Perino said his comment was “disturbing.” In a new statement, published in full below, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) warns Reid, “We should not surrender in the face of barbarism.”
But Reid’s description of the war isn’t controversial. In fact, one of Bush’s own regular war advisers — Henry Kissinger — agrees with Reid:
Former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who helped engineer the U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam, said Sunday the problems in Iraq are more complex than that conflict, and military victory is no longer possible. [...]
Reid’s remarks also echo senior military officials. Retired Gen. Wiliam Odom, head of Army intelligence and director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan, published an essay in February titled “Victory Is Not An Option.” Also, via TPM Cafe, here’s Gen. Tony McPeak, who served on the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the first Gulf War:
The war in Iraq isn’t over yet, but — surge or no surge — the United States has already lost. That’s the grim consensus of a panel of experts assembled by Rolling Stone to assess the future of Iraq. “Even if we had a million men to go in, it’s too late now,” says retired four-star Gen. Tony McPeak, who served on the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the Gulf War. “Humpty Dumpty can’t be put back together again.“
What Kissinger, Odom, McPeak, and Reid understand is that the mission in Iraq has changed. The United States is now stuck in the middle of a civil war to which there is no military solution, only a political one. As Reid said later: “there is still a chance to change course — and we must change course.”
UPDATE: John Aravosis has several other quotes.
Full statement:
WASHINGTON — Senator Joe Lieberman (ID-CT) today made the following statement in response to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s comment that the Iraq War is “lost:”
“This week witnessed horrific terrorist attacks by Islamist extremists in Iraq, killing hundreds of innocent civilians and leading Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to declare that the war is ‘lost.’
With all due respect, I strongly disagree. Senator Reid’s statement is not based on military facts on the ground in Iraq and does not advance our cause there.
Al Qaeda’s strategy for victory in Iraq is clear. They are trying to murder as many innocent civilians as possible in an effort to reignite sectarian fighting and drive us to retreat from Iraq.
The question now before us is whether we respond to these terrorist attacks by running away as Al Qaeda hopes — abandoning the future of Iraq, the Middle East, and ultimately our own security to the very same people responsible for this week’s atrocities — or whether we stand united to fight them.
This is exactly the wrong time to conclude that we have lost the war in Iraq, or that our new strategy has failed. Instead, we should provide General Petraeus and his troops with the time and the resources to succeed. We should not surrender in the face of barbarism.”
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Lie berman is a good little Israeli right to the end.
April 20th, 2007 at 2:57 pmLieberscum, STFU! Setting a timetable for leaving an undeclared "war" is not surrendering. I wish you would surrender your senate seat.
April 20th, 2007 at 2:59 pmI think it is very clear that Lieberman speaks for the Israeli lobbies in the US. Their interests in Iraq revolve around Israeli security and are extremely flawed.
He does not seem to represent what is in the best interests of the American public nor military, never mind his Connecticut constituents.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:00 pmHey don't let facts get in the way of a good smear.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:01 pmoff topic, but/
Get busy ya'll:
APRIL 28 NATIONWIDE IMPEACHMENT ACTIONS
April 20th, 2007 at 3:03 pmhttp://www.a28.org/
Harry "Surrender" Reid would throw his grandmother overboard if it would score points politically. (He would massage the message so progressive voters would help toss the 'old gal '.) Of course, he would assure the "heavy lifters" it was for the good of the country.
He is poison for the morale of most troops.......Shame on Senator Surrender!
April 20th, 2007 at 3:03 pmYes, Terry M, those damned Israelis - what nerve for our ally to be concerned with their "neighbours"!!! I can imagine how folks like you think the Jews in Poland should have just "missed the train".
April 20th, 2007 at 3:06 pmAnyone see this yet? The Vermont state senate voted to impeach Chimpy & his handler...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18229765/
April 20th, 2007 at 3:07 pmCome over to the Dark Side, Joe.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:08 pmKill the messanger and ignore the message. Page 42 of Rove's Rules handbook. Right under fun with emails.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:09 pmWhereas I agree that the occupation in Iraq is hopelessly lost, the actual wording "lost" is a horrible flub. The Democrats need their own wordsmith like Frank Luntz, just a bit slimmer and less sweaty.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:10 pmLie Berman, Israeli senator to the United States.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:11 pm"Hence the second part of Reid’s statement, which conservatives conveniently drop when levying their attacks: " “But there is still a chance to change course — and we must change course.â€
Nice try, ThinkProgress, but Reid only added that language later on the floor of the Senate after he realized his blunder when he earler spoke to reporters and said, ""I believe ... that this war is lost, and this surge is not accomplishing anything, as is shown by the extreme violence in Iraq this week."
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070419184534.ileoeb47&show_article=1
Realizing the pernicious impact of his words, Reid later tried to cover his tracks by adding the "change course" language when he spoke on the floor.
It is disingenuous of TP to try and conflate the timing of Reid's two separate statements.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:11 pmHe is poison for the morale of most troops…….Shame on Senator Surrender!
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
How would you know sitting behind your keyboard. Or are you pretending that you were in the service again today.
I guess you haven't heard that the morale of the troops and their families is already way down. Remember your supposed brother and sister inlaw and the extended tour she wasn't happy about. Or was that just more lies.
So you're defending Lieberman then? Do tell us all about why he's your hero now.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:12 pmGod bless Lieberman and the state of Israel, the frontlines in the war on terror. All the Democratic Senators combined could not weigh in with enough balls to match Lieberman. Reid looks like his mother, who worked in several whore houses (and probably some miner 49er unknown to him, and could have starred in the Golden Girls alongside Bea Arthur, who is also more masculine than Reid.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:12 pmThe left, democrats and progressives are weak, cowardly, vesicles of appeasement that will beg for rescue from the same military they seek to destroy.
Harry Reid finally exposed himself and the democrats for what they are and now the democrats are left shivering in the cold wind of defeatism.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:13 pmWho's the enemy? Who would we submit our surrender-cease-fire agreement to? Who, you Rightards, would WE be surrendering to???
Being at "war" with an ideology is pure nonsense.
Remember the Cold War?
Yet, here we are again, baited by the most corrupt who we unfortunately put our trust in.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:13 pmvaliant Venus (hello mighty), It has never been declared a war. The troops I talk to have a very different opinion than the one you pulled out of your Rovian ass.
You can, but I won't forget how this administration sent in our troops unprepared and ill equipped. How they gave the supply contracts to weasels that fed our soldiers tainted food and water (that's real posion from Bush and Halliburton). How tours have been extended after the president said he would not extend tours. One day after.
So you keep standing behind this wretch. I don't care. But you are on the wrong side. The poision has come from Bush all along.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:13 pmChickenhawks...
...cowards and TRAITORS...
...oh my...
(repeat)...
April 20th, 2007 at 3:14 pmLIEberman, why don't you just become a rethuglican?
April 20th, 2007 at 3:16 pmI think he's got it backwards...
April 20th, 2007 at 3:17 pmValiant, please explain -- how is the Iraq War protecting Israel?
April 20th, 2007 at 3:19 pmJMH is STILL obsessed with whore houses. Just give me your address and I'll buy you a whore, poor little virgin boy.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:19 pm#6..."Shame on Senator Surrender!"
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
This "Shame on ______ (fill in the blank)" comment is a very silly attempt at a condescending remark. It's sounds like a mother or father trying to shame a child into changing their behavior. Adults do not respond to the shame game. They either act responsibly or they don't. They either accept the consequences of their actions or they don't. Harry Reid takes full responsibility for his comments AND will accept the consequences. I realize that the concept of accepting responsibility AND consequences for your actions is something that is foreign to blood-thirsty necons like you, but at least try to understand.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:19 pmLIEberman is a useless (to US citizens, anyway) warmongering liar. His defenders, chickenhawks and keyboard kommandos, should immediately enlist in this "War of Error" & then ship off to Iraq. The sooner, the better.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:22 pmFunny how the right wing claims that America has been "feminized" and suffers from "Nanny syndrome" yet they feel that the minds of America's military warriors are so fragile that any discussion of the Iraq war will psychologically damage them.
We must be raising a new generation of "feminized" warriors who must be coddled and kept from hearing debate lest they lose their noerve.
Pathetic.
-GSD
April 20th, 2007 at 3:23 pm"Senator, the cleaners just called.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:23 pmYour yamulkas are ready to be picked up."
Nice language to encourage our Iraqi allies, senator liar, as you have just insinuated that all Iraqis are Barbarians, since they want us out of their country!
April 20th, 2007 at 3:27 pmThank you Lieberman for saying what need to be said.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:27 pmHendler, Exley, venus, all we need is fairyhead and patty and the post just might drown in the Kool-Aid!
April 20th, 2007 at 3:28 pmMan, you rightards are just the stupidest, most ignorant pieces of human feces that have ever existed. IT IS A CIVIL WAR, you cannot be in the middle of a CIVIL WAR and win anything, and just what describes a victory anyway, what is the goal, to shoot at Iraqis insurgents, oh you mean the Iraqis loyalist that are trying to drive out the occupation of their country by a country that simply wanted to take possession of their oil. You repukes are just a bunch of braindead sheep, go back to your caves, bang rocks together, let the intelligent people handle this.
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:29 pmFirst, WE are engaged in an OCCUPATION in Iraq. Iraqis are at WAR. Americans are involved in an OCCUPATION.
Second, Reid's comments are BEHIND the curve. The war was NEVER winnable militarily. The only victory possible was for the contractors.
Third, the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) refused to budge and made it abundantly clear that, surge or not, the U.S. position would continue to erode. This is the NIE! This is the opinion from the sum of all our Intelligence Agencies.
That the media is treating Reid's comments as outrageous is sad but predictable.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:30 pm“playing to the worst elements of the antiwar leftâ€
Wait a minute.....is that us!? Cool!
April 20th, 2007 at 3:30 pmAdults do not respond to the shame game. They either act responsibly or they don’t. They either accept the consequences of their actions or they don’t.
Meaning that there are no adults in this administration. Just a criminal cabal of fascists. Goes for their defenders too.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:30 pmSenator Reid is correct. Iraq is lost. The war is lost due to mismanagement by civilian leaders. The troops were magnificent for the most part. Iraq is lost because there is no will of the people to stop the bloodshed amongst the religious factions, fanned by rogue militants' interest in distabilization. The Sunnis have support from Saudi Arabia et al, and Iran backs the Shia. We're stuck there to protect the Kurds and George Bush's ass. What's wrong with this picture? We can mourn, rightly, the massacre of innocents in Virginia, but look past the toll on American troops and innocent men, women and children caught in an unwinnable civil war. Get out of Iraq and save America from itself.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:30 pm#27, Raven,
As atrocious as your spelling is, your anti-Jewish bigotry is even more appalling.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:32 pmAwwww look at 29, the yapping 'patriotic' puppy. "Give me liberty, or give someone else death!" is his motto.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:32 pmThere's only one thing worse than losing a war, and that's thinking you haven't.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:32 pmLiebermann doesnt give a fuck about America his only concern is Israel. His stance on foreign policy is nearly treasonous as he puts the concerns of Israel before the US. But that is the neo CON way...isnt it.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:33 pm#27, Raven, As atrocious as your spelling is, your anti-Jewish bigotry is even more appalling. Comment by Exley — April 20, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
As atrocious as your posts always are, your belief that anytime the fact someone is jewish is mentioned in joke or not is anti-jewish shows your own deep seeded bigotry. Hypocrite, pathetic, st*pid sad little hypocrite.
Tell me ExLax, are you ashamed you're jewish, or ashamed that most of your fellow jews hate you because you're a st*pid nazi sellout? Bet I know the answer!
April 20th, 2007 at 3:38 pmyarmulkes
April 20th, 2007 at 3:39 pmsorry.
Fu*k Joe Lieberman.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:39 pm**SIGH** IF ONLY THE PEOPLE OF(oops) Connecticut had not suffered from a mGIANT COLLECTIVE BRAINFART(caps intended) and elected Lamont, wouldn't the Senate just be this wonderful, dreamy place?....
April 20th, 2007 at 3:40 pmReid should calmly walk over to Lieberman during the next session and punch him in the face until he drops to the floor. Then spit on him for good measure.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:40 pm“playing to the worst elements of the antiwar leftâ€
Wait a minute…..is that us!? Cool!
Comment by Zooey — April 20, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
The irony is it's the same st*pid projection that ExLax does. Lieberman is playing to the worst elements of the warmongering Right. How sad that he had to be such a liar, and idi*t to the people of Conn. The whole state feels cheated by this fool.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:40 pmSo according to the right wing trolls and delusional idiots, Henry Kissinger is now a lefty?
He did, after all, say the exact same thing Reid did.
Or can they not bring themselves to vilify him?
Seriously ... where's the outrage for what he and the generals said?
.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:41 pm#14 - Shanette: "So you’re defending Lieberman then? Do tell us all about why he’s your hero now."
I defend anyone who is willing to stand up to - AND DEFEAT - Islamic barbarians. This includes many with whom I disagree on domestic issues (i.e. Ed Koch, Rudy Guiliani, Tony Blair, etc.)
#18 - Hellen - "The troops I talk to have a very different opinion than the one you pulled out of your Rovian ass."
Of course "the troops YOU talk to" agree with YOU - you are the type who would dismiss the majority of our troops as irrelevant. When FDR sent troops to engage our mortal enemies 60 years ago, we were in the process of recovering from a huge hit to our Pacific Fleet and our equipment was substandard. But in historic AmeriCAN fashion, our country rose to the challenge. You don't seem to know how long tours of duty were for our drafted and enlisted military during that period.
The weasels at Halliburton received contracts during Clinton's Bosnian foray - you must have forgotten. A suggestion: do a tad of research before you sound so ill-informed.
#24 - Your PC drivel is condescending. Yawnnnn.... Zzzzz
April 20th, 2007 at 3:41 pmAt least Lieberman is for country over party. Now he just needs to have it explained to him that he lives in the US and works for US citizens, not Likud.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:41 pmAwwww look at 29, the yapping ‘patriotic’ puppy. “Give me liberty, or give someone else death!†is his motto.
Comment by Loonie
Awww look at this one, probably never gets out of his mom's basement. Why did you take down the lemonade stand? Was it too stressful?
April 20th, 2007 at 3:41 pmwhat a pandering winny cry baby
April 20th, 2007 at 3:41 pmThe irony is it’s the same st*pid projection that ExLax does
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
Irony is somebody that is unable to come up with a valid point and simply says other peope are projecting. We all know that you are the one projecting, now come up with something new-broken record.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:44 pm....take Hadassa, buy a nice concrete box in an illegal Israeli settlement, and call it a day.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:47 pmWe need to stop giving Leiberman free press. He betrayed his constituents and he needs to be placed on a "back burner" with someone keeping an eye on his misadventures and misdemeaners. He should not be allowed to be recognized as someone with something worthwhile to say... just as someone who needs their behavior to be watched and then exposed when his lies and treachery threathen to have an impact on our freedoms and lives.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:52 pmIf we leave Iraq--what will happen?
What will we lose? The respect of the rest of the world?
Yea, right. They so respect us now.
Will the 'newly' encouraged' terrorists follow us home?
I got it! We'll send the troops to Germany and Guam! Al Qaeda won't know what to think!
Will the troops be discouraged?
Well, then let's hold a big parade in every town and give them all a terrific dinner with cake and ice c ream and--get this--a free iPod! That should cheer them up!
It really is funny that the same folks that were so supremely dismissive of world opinion going in is suddenly so concerned about image. We'll look like quitters!"
To whom?
The worthless cheese-eating surrender monkeys? China? Stone Cold Steve Austin? Russia?
Oh, but it will encourage the terrorists.
These terrorists were sao encouraged that they routinely kill themselves by strapping explosives to their bodies. I'd say that that's about as encouraged as the can get.
I've got another idea. Let them think we're defeated. Let them think we're beaten. Let them dance around, and begin to despise us and feel mighty and invincible.
That's when they get careless.
Let them follow us home--then we'll have them.
But the blowhards don't want to win the war. They don't want Uncle Sam to throw OBL in the hoosegow and dust off his hands and get back to work.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:54 pmNo, they are acting like the neighborhood bully, jealously guarding a tough rep--who swaggers around with no friends--and whose food gets spat in at every restaurant he frequents.
VV,
No matter how much you wish it to be, this is not WWII. If you must compare our current situation to a past conflict, you will find the Vietnam conflict more amenable. In fact, I believe you will find most of the rhetoric tossed out by the pro-war faction (of which you are a member) today nearly identical to that of the Vietnam-era war-mongers...right down to the WWII allusions.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:54 pmAs atrocious as your spelling is, your anti-Jewish bigotry is even more appalling.
Comment by Exley — April 20, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
Yeah, Raven, what the hell is wrong you? How can you say that? Thats appalling. Please, support the bombing of Iraqi children with cluster bombs and white phosphorous and get in the good side track.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:55 pmAwww look at this one, probably never gets out of his mom’s basement. Why did you take down the lemonade stand? Was it too stressful?
Comment by when.the.goin.gets.tough.reid.gets.goin
We have a debating genius, folks.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:57 pmOh f**k, the trolls are back today in full force. Yesterday was a beautiful day, a day when Gonzales showed the world how incompetent he is and how he is joined at the hip with boy Bush and could care less about what happens in the DOJ... and the trolls stayed home and sucked their thumbs... because they had nothing to say to protect their boy Bush's appointee.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:57 pm#38 - "There’s only one thing worse than losing a war, and that’s thinking you haven’t."
Actually, there IS only one thing worse than losing a war - THAT is a political faction (progressives) who are HAPPY about it - and have hoped to lose since before the thing got started.....
April 20th, 2007 at 3:58 pmReid doesn't need Lieberman's support or opinion, he has the backing of the American people and senior military officials. That's all he needs.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:58 pmJa wol, senor Juan!
April 20th, 2007 at 3:59 pmYou sad sack of shit venus. You know less than Gonzo. I don't talk to service members to elicit similar stances. I hear what they have to say from a variety of different venues and they are in the majority. And the majority of the military say Iraq is wrong. The main reason we rose to the challange as you so patriotically put is because a democratic president had the balls and the foresight to know what to do. He built an incredible machine that churned out the soldiers with a draft, that turned the lumbering industries into makers of tanks, boats, guns and such. He also built up the patriotism with a purpose.
There are only slogans coming from Bush. And go shopping is one of the more piss poor slogans. Instead of galvinizing this country he went for power grabs. Very unpatriotic and your an ass
April 20th, 2007 at 3:59 pmGod bless Lieberman and the state of Israel, the frontlines in the war on terror. All the Democratic Senators combined could not weigh in with enough balls to match Lieberman.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler —
I completely agree. /sexual impotence off.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:59 pmGood one there Juan C, that actually made me laugh.
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily
April 20th, 2007 at 4:00 pmI defend anyone who is willing to stand up to - AND DEFEAT - Islamic barbarians
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
How do you know which Islamics are barbarians. Or are they all barbarians to you? And how will we know when we have defeated all barbarians? Do they have tatoos or something?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:00 pmAnd I accuse Lieberman of azz-kissing in the face of stupidity.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:00 pmLieberman surrendered to Bush, who is as barbaric as they come.
Hopefully Reid won't, although that remains to be seen.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:01 pmWe need to stop giving Leiberman free press. He betrayed his constituents and he needs to be placed on a “back burner†with someone keeping an eye on his misadventures and misdemeaners. He should not be allowed to be recognized as someone with something worthwhile to say… just as someone who needs their behavior to be watched and then exposed when his lies and treachery threathen to have an impact on our freedoms and lives.
Comment by Coffins Draped with Flags
He was elected after his party threw him out and he ran as an independent. His stance on the war was known before the election. He is doing what his constituents elected him to do, stand up the the big bad democratic party.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:01 pmWe have a debating genius, folks.
Comment by Juan C
I've read your posts, I have nothing to worry about.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:02 pm(Shall I pack and ship another order of brightly colored American made cluster bombs to that certain small rogue nuclear state on the far eastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea?)
April 20th, 2007 at 4:02 pmWell, this thread stinks of trolls and as stated, Leiberman doesn't deserve free press, so there's better topics to discuss. Check out the "free speech zone" video posted on C & L.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:02 pm#40 Raven, Apology accepted for misspelling is accepted. However, your implication that Jewish-Americans are somehow not "real Americans" is reprehensible. Accusing Jews are having dual-loyalties or being less than loyal and "sneaky" is an ages old tactic designed to marginalize Jews in society. The most obvious and egregious example of use of this smear was, of course, in Nazi Germany. But other nations and communities have used this tactic, as well.
One may disagree with Lieberman all one wants. But to reference his religion and Jewish garb for no apparent reason is to engage in religious bigotry. People like VVGFU may find anti-Jewish bigotry amusing, but most people do not.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:04 pmnow come up with something new-broken record.
Comment by when.the.goin.gets.tough.reid.gets.goin — April 20, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
Like you come up with a new name for every thread, coward? Don't even have the guts to admit you've been an idiot on another thread. Not to worry, we always figure out who you are.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:04 pmFu*k Joe Lieberman.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — April 20, 2007 @ 3:39 pm
Well here's a job NOBODY wants.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:05 pmI defend anyone who is willing to stand up to - AND DEFEAT - Islamic barbarians
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
Strike Hard,
Strike First,
Show No Mercey!
COBRA KAI!
He he he. I love childish propaganda.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:05 pmWho moved my cheesy victory? Mickey Liebermouse keeps looking for his cheesy victory. But it's moved. No WMD, no OBL, no greetings as liberators. And yet. What? The Iraqi Army was defeated; Saddam was caught, tried, and hanged; the Iraqis drafted a constitution and elected a government; and... What?
If you keep moving the cheese, you can never declare victory. Bush already declared Mission Accomplished once. That was 3000 US GI lives ago. It's not a war any more. It's a domestic dispute. It's between Iraqis and Iraqis. Is America going to pick sides? And which side would that be? O'Reilly keeps calling for a new and improved Saddam: Is that what Liebermouse wants?
When Saddam fell, the arbitrary arrest, imprisonment, torture, and murder of innocent Iraqis didn't stop. It was taken over by the US military. And where is the Coalition of the Willing who will liberate Iraq from Bush and Blair? Mickey Liebermouse had better be upfront and admit he's scared of what a truly democratic and free Iraq would look like. Isn't that why this whole adventure was a mistake in the first place?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:06 pm#67.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:06 pmHaving lived in the neighborhood of the constituents who elect Lieberman, I know exactly who they are.
They vote for whichever political party supports their own unique identity.
Which supercedes their identities as Americans.
Does anyone have solid numbers on Leiberman's approval rating in his home state? This human sleep inducer is loving his temp. membership into the Bush lover's club but he still has to answer to his state.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:06 pmI’ve read your posts
Comment by when.the.goin.gets.tough.reid.gets.goin — April 20, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
Really? Why do you torture yourself? ;)
April 20th, 2007 at 4:06 pm#55 Says the man who supports the Iraqi "insurgents" who deliberately set off car bombs in marketplaces and mosques killing hundreds of Iraqi men, women, and children:
Self-defense is what the Iraqi insurgency is doing…
April 20th, 2007 at 4:08 pmComment by Juan C — July 24, 2006 @ 6:32 pm
Mmm, was just thinking, who are the barbarians anyway? Could it possibly be the ones that invaded a country for the sole reason to take their precious oil. Could it be the ones that kidnap and torture anyone they want? Could it be the ones that use banned weapons on civilians? Could it be the ones who rape women and then kill their entire family? Could it be the ones who are war profiting (Cheney HB stock made him 50 mill so far with this war)? Just who are these darn barbarians anyway?
You repukes are the barbarians, with you blood lust for war.
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily
April 20th, 2007 at 4:08 pmERock - You're right - this is not WWII. This has the potential to be worse. With the expressed war declaration including a worldwide restoration and expansion of the caliphate, facing an enemy who wears no uniform, attacks hotels and embassies, strikes worldwide your allusion to VietNam is pathetic. Confined to SE Asia, your comparison with VietNam is not parallel.
Thank you for reading the party line accurately - you're doing better than many of your comrades in that department. Your parting gift is at the door.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:09 pmpoor wacked out liberals, so much hate for Lieberman because he is a JFK, FDR, Harry Truman, Bobby Kennedy Democrat.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:09 pmLike you come up with a new name for every thread, coward? Don’t even have the guts to admit you’ve been an idiot on another thread. Not to worry, we always figure out who you are.
Comment by Shane
I've made you look like a fool under a number of names. Or you have made yourself look like a fool while I had a number of names. Your consistency is remarkable.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:09 pmYeah, Raven, what the hell is wrong you? How can you say that? Thats appalling. Please, support the bombing of Iraqi children with cluster bombs and white phosphorous and get in the good side track.
Comment by Juan C — April 20, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
Juan good job straightening Raven out. Raven do you want people to think you're some kind of peacenik or something? Oh, you do! Never mind.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:10 pmReally? Why do you torture yourself? ;)
Comment by Juan
I love shooting fish in a barrel.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:10 pmDoes anyone have solid numbers on Leiberman’s approval rating in his home state? This human sleep inducer is loving his temp. membership into the Bush lover’s club but he still has to answer to his state.
Comment by hellinabucket
He did win the election without a party and all it's money.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:13 pmI'm really starting to have the same viscerally negative reaction to ANYTHING Lieberman says that I've had to Bush for 6 1/2 years now.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:13 pmTHAT is a political faction (progressives) who are HAPPY about it - and have hoped to lose since before the thing got started…..
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
That political faction is called the MAJORITY. And how could we have hoped to lose the occupation of Iraq before the thing got started when there was no reason to think we'd invade Iraq before Bush committed this blunder?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:13 pmIf it didn't mean that the Dems would lose the slim majority in the Senate if Lieberman left, I would like to see him run out of town and into Bushlandia.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:13 pmBut that's what the little twerp is enjoying - he knows he has the Dem party by the balls and he has power.
The treasonous weasel, loyal to Israel and the Bushies, both of them before the USA.
Maybe we could work on a repug changing sides to join the dems and then Lieberman could go to hell.
God bless Lieberman and the state of Israel, the frontlines in the war on terror.
Right, because they're up against the same terror groups that threaten the US.
Wait. No they aren't.
And the US is protecting a terrorist from extradition, so what's all this bullshit about a war on terror, anyway? Who's stupid enough to fall for that one any more?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:14 pm.
He did win the election without a party and all it’s money.
He won with the Republican party, its money, even one of its bloggers.
He's as much a Democrat as he is an American.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:15 pm.
There's nothing stopping Liberman from sending his whole family to provide security in Iraq. It might help the effort.
Why don't you send your family there Joe?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:15 pmso much hate for Lieberman because he is a JFK, FDR, Harry Truman, Bobby Kennedy Democrat.
Those Democrats would have kicked these loser Republicans up one side and down the other of the Washington mall. Only a Republican would confuse them with a pussy like Lieberman.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:16 pm.
Hey JJ your trailer has a flat, better fix it.
And mow the grass so ppl can see that car on your front lawn.
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily
April 20th, 2007 at 4:16 pmAny defeat that Bush suffers is a victory for America.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:18 pmHe won with the Republican party, its money, even one of its bloggers.
He’s as much a Democrat as he is an American.
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Comment by Grand Moff Texan
I know dems love the mantra "party before country". How could the guy have his own thoughts?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:18 pmJust who are these darn barbarians anyway?
You repukes are the barbarians, with you blood lust for war.
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily
Comment by Buck Fush — April 20, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
DING DING DING - We have a winner!
April 20th, 2007 at 4:19 pmI could only find a poll that went to Dec 2006-41% apppoval by Democrats,56% disapproval(by Democrats)-Democrat only poll... with only 40% approval at the time of election by democrats, who REALLY elected him into office? his 'shadow party', the Republican Party??
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=5b2ae37d-ddb3-43ce-9ef4-f463f260dbe9&x=751,2
April 20th, 2007 at 4:20 pmI’ve made you look like a fool under a number of names. Or you have made yourself look like a fool while I had a number of names. Your consistency is remarkable.
Comment by when.the.goin.gets.tough.reid.gets.goin — April 20, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
Okay Captain Kirk - whatever you believe. See you guys aren't hard to figure out at all.
Still seems kind of wimpy to me. Of course this gets you out of that I served already lie you couldn't cover.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:21 pmDearest VV SQWAWK SQWAWK CHICKENHAWK!
Now Shut up and Enlist.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:21 pmActually, there IS only one thing worse than losing a war - THAT is a political faction (progressives) who are HAPPY about it - and have hoped to lose since before the thing got started…..
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
You keep banging that drum. ... Maybe someone will give you stronger meds.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:21 pmI know dems love the mantra “party before countryâ€. How could the guy have his own thoughts?
He has his own thoughts. But America thinks otherwise so he's just another road-kill conservative like you.
All caught up, now?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:22 pm.
Hellen notes:
"He built an incredible machine that churned out the soldiers with a draft, that turned the lumbering industries into makers of tanks, boats, guns and such. "
Just one question, Hellen. WHEN did FDR muster America's preparedness???? Before we got hit by Japan??
#82 - JJ, I must offer one Correction - Lieberman is most like JFK and Truman - he ain't no Bobby Kennedy.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:25 pm"who are the barbarians anyway?"
The people who do this:
Breaking: 157 dead in Baghdad bombings. CBS News: “A parked car bomb detonated in a crowd of workers at a Shiite marketplace in Baghdad on Wednesday, killing at least 82 people, police and hospital officials said. The attack was one of four bombings in Baghdad on Wednesday afternoon, which killed at least 127 people in total, officials said.â€
UPDATE: The death toll rises to 157.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:25 pmAnd now Sean Hannity is calling for Reid's resignation.
Good.
Hannity's whiny little voice is exactly what we want Americans to think of when they hear the word conservative. Just a frustrated, pasty little bitch.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:26 pm.
Okay Captain Kirk - whatever you believe. See you guys aren’t hard to figure out at all.
Still seems kind of wimpy to me. Of course this gets you out of that I served already lie you couldn’t cover.
Comment by Shane
Sorry your detective skills have failed you. Try again.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:26 pmLieberman won his first senate seat in 1970 basically on a campaign that heralded his anti-war position. Sad to see this guy has made a 180 degree turn in his beliefs, or is this as we suspect just an Israel thing.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:26 pmHe has his own thoughts. But America thinks otherwise so he’s just another road-kill conservative like you.
All caught up, now?
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Comment by Grand Moff Texan
Can you say RE-ELECTED after he stated his stance on the war?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:27 pmJust one question, Hellen. WHEN did FDR muster America’s preparedness???? Before we got hit by Japan??
As a matter of fact, yes.
But Iraq was never a threat, so there's no comparison ... outside your little trailer-park anyway.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:27 pm.
Yes, and they are Barbarians too, and your point is?
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily
April 20th, 2007 at 4:27 pmBreaking: 157 dead in Baghdad bombings. CBS News: “A parked car bomb detonated in a crowd of workers at a Shiite marketplace in Baghdad on Wednesday, killing at least 82 people, police and hospital officials said. The attack was one of four bombings in Baghdad on Wednesday afternoon, which killed at least 127 people in total, officials said.â€
UPDATE: The death toll rises to 157.
Comment by Exley
I think these are the barbarians he was speaking of.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:28 pmI know the lemonade stand closure was tough on you, but I just couldn't stand your incessant whining about how the lemonade was too strong and fizzy, and how the bubbles hurt your little nosie. Please understand, I had to do something.
I must have missed the post where you made a valid point, Socrates.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:28 pmCan you say RE-ELECTED after he stated his stance on the war?
Yes, by Republicans. I already said that.
You're not very bright, are you? That would certainly explain your politics.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:29 pm.
UPDATE: The death toll rises to 157.
Meanwhile, the occupation is powerless to stop it. The only reason Americans continue to die in Iraq is so that Bush can save face.
That's why the Republicans are coming unglued. The truth is out, the numbers are up, and once again their party is on the wrong side and losing every day.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:30 pm.
Everyday the failure in Iraq gets worse and worse highlighting the extreme incompetence of the bushies and their enablers. After all their incompetence, ineptitude, and disconnectedness, they wish more harm on this great country by continuing with their gross incompetence, ineptitude, and criminal neglect. The showdown is coming.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:30 pmThe people who do this:
UPDATE: The death toll rises to 157.
Comment by Exley —
And how many times a week did it happen before we overthrew Saddam?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:30 pmMore from shanette: "How do you know which Islamics are barbarians. "
The ones who stockpile chemicals IED materials in their homes, shops and mosques have an unusually high rate of barbarian membership.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:32 pmSo what will Leiberman do after boy Bush leaves office and the Republicans in the Senate get replaced by Democrats? Who's butt will he kiss, then?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:34 pmVV,
War declaration? Are you in the right century? Worldwide conflict? Are you out of your mind? Where (other than the Middle East) are we actively fighting terrorism? Hint: Standard security practices do not constitute active fighting.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:34 pmBuck Asks, " Could it possibly be the ones that invaded a country for the sole reason to take their precious oil."
We don't, and have NEVER taken their oil - we buy it. Please note the difference. Good news for you, Koranimal apologists infest the globe - you'll never be lonely
April 20th, 2007 at 4:35 pmfacing an enemy who wears no uniform, attacks hotels and embassies, strikes worldwide your allusion to VietNam is pathetic. Confined to SE Asia, your comparison with VietNam is not parallel.
Comment by valiant venus
Poor deluded crank-head. The Vietnam war was sold as the only way to stop the spread of communism worldwide. Remember The Domino Principle?
But then, your memory is shot from all the meth, so it's understandable.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:35 pmThe ones who stockpile chemicals IED materials in their homes, shops and mosques have an unusually high rate of barbarian membership.
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
Good thing that surge is finally kicking in. Won't be long now before they're all brought to justice. Or at least brought to GITMO where they will wait indefinitely to actually face justice. /s
April 20th, 2007 at 4:36 pmThe ones who stockpile chemicals IED materials in their homes, shops and mosques have an unusually high rate of barbarian membership.
Comment by valiant venus
Sing it, sister!
April 20th, 2007 at 4:38 pmWe don’t, and have NEVER taken their oil - we buy it. Please note the difference.
Please note the dictats of the administration concerning the new Iraq's role in OPEC. Or did you just miss those? We were buying their oil right before their invasion, but now we can control their output.
See what's happened to American energy companies?
Man, you guys are slow.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:39 pm.
If we were not there those poor ppl would still be alive today, yes anyone who harms, much less kills, anyone is a Barbarian. But really, it is the Bush administration that is at fault for all the misery being brought to those poor civilian there.
I also blame all of the congress that voted on this stupid war for not taking the time to look into the lies that the Bush Mafia were telling the congress and the American ppl, it is unforgivable.
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily
April 20th, 2007 at 4:39 pmI know the lemonade stand closure was tough on you, but I just couldn’t stand your incessant whining about how the lemonade was too strong and fizzy, and how the bubbles hurt your little nosie. Please understand, I had to do something.
Comment by Loonie
I would have kept coming over, but once the meth lab your mom was running was busted I figured the lemonade stand was gone too. By the way is your mom still hooking, I just found 2 bucks in my car?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:39 pmYes, by Republicans. I already said that.
You’re not very bright, are you? That would certainly explain your politics.
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Comment by Grand Moff Texan
More people voted for him than the democratic hand picked candidate get over it.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:40 pmThat's your only response venus? Don't use FDR to support anything Bush did but ignore that Bush didn't follow any of the path that FDR did.
All the build up was after Pearl Harbor. "Go shopping" was after 9/11. Gas rationing was put in place by FDR. Bush cut taxes and put off the actual spending of this conflict into 4+ years of supplemental spending that doesn't go into the planned budget but still has to get paid. Metal drives, Rosie the Rivetor and Blood Drives came from the Democratic President. Private contractors, unarmored vehicles, extended tours of duty came from this Republican president.
Comparing the two only serves to show what a glaring failure Bush has been and will continue to be.
Mighty, you haven't changed but it's good to see you just the same.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:42 pmThe Fall of the Republican Party... makes a good book title. The first chapter could be all about how traitor Rove developed a plan to turn the US into a nazi state. Chapter 2 - The Sadim Touch - how boy Bush destroys everything he touches, including his own party.
The Republicans have no credibility left... watching them destroy themselves is a beautiful thing to observe.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:42 pm#83 - I sense the presence of greatness....has I-RIGHT-I returned?
and then..... we have shanette................ who incorrectly or dishonestly notes, "And how could we have hoped to lose the occupation of Iraq before the thing got started when there was no reason to think we’d invade Iraq before Bush committed this blunder?"
Where were you? Under a rock?YOUR side was whining and protesting the war before the "occupation" - go back and re-make up your new set of facts...your old ones aren't working!
April 20th, 2007 at 4:42 pmMore people voted for him than the democratic hand picked candidate get over it.
Comment by when.the.goin.gets.tough.reid.gets.goin
But he also won by the smallest margin in presidential history. A squeeker.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:43 pmOkay first off:
I don't know about the Israel lobby, its not a lobby I have looked into, but frankly if the US was about protecting Israel's interests: Iraq wouldn't have happened. Israel has a delicate balancing game going on where so long as its enemies are worried about getting attacked by the rest of the Arabic world, they aren't attacking Israel.
Iran, wasn't doing much about Israel because it was worried about what Iraq was going to do the second it was distracted with something else, Iraq wasn't going to attack Israel for pretty much the same reason and yep, the Saudi's were in the same boat. Now that balance is pretty much stuffed, and Israel has to worry about:
1: Its chief protectors being overextended as it is and
2: A whole lot of anti-Israeli feeling because, well, there is an element of the old Jewish conspiracy **** going around.
Next off:
The left has courage, more courage then the right ever had. The left doesn't need to pretend to be tough, we know ourselves well enough to know that we are stronger then you.
We are brighter then you, we don't feel this inordinate need to continue doing something stupid in order to try and make ourselves look tough, and we recognise when a given battle is won, or lost.
You righties are still arguing about evolution.
The war in Iraq is a lost battle. It was a battle which the leftwing said, right at the beginning, would be unwinnable, and it has proven to be the case. We were right about everything to do with this war, and you cowards on the right have repeatedly tried to hide that fact behind lame accusations of us not respecting the troops (Even though we fight for veterans rights while you slash them) or not supporting America (Even though we fight for American civil rights, while you burn them.)
The truth is that your party achieved, in six years of unprecedented power, two wars, doubling America's debt and wrecking America's disaster relief capabilities. And they did it based solely on your principles, they weren't liberals in disguise. They were 100% true believer conservatives and they screwed up royally.
Now the Democrats are in power. The left, has grown stronger then you could ever imagine because leftwing idealogy works, and rightwing idealogy does not. You demonised us so much, that now we are immune to you. Your slime, no longer touches us because it bores those you wish to impress with it.
Your straw men no longer impress the masses.
And now the left will do what must be done. Iraq is a mess which will cost more to fix then it will to leave. America is in deep debt to countries not known for supporting America, and it is time to deal with that. It is time to cut your losses.
And you can waive the corpses of 9/11 around as much as you like but the hard truth is that 9/11 was a dramatic failure, not a success, and thus should not be abused to defend the one who failed. Bush acted like a coward on 9/11, he ran and hid. While Guliani rallied New York and Bill Clinton visited the site, George Bush talked tough from the safety of his bunker.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:44 pmCan't the people in Connecticut do something about this sorry excuse for a human being? Can't they recall him or impeach him or something like that. They sure were sold a bill of goods. I would be willing to bet that if they had known what they know today about LIEberman, they would not have reelected him.
I am to the point where I really wouldn't care if he went over to the Republics. At least it would be more honest.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:46 pmYou mean there's still a debate about whether this war is lost? The surge seems to be doing the exact opposite of what they thought. The worst day of carnage in Iraq just happened yesterday or the day before. How dare Sen. Reid espouse the obvious. Reality is not an option! It doesn't matter if the administration has done everyting in it's power to fumble and bumble their way through international affairs or lose the war all by themselves. If you just ignore it you can't say it's lost. What a joke. Senator Surrender? Ohhh that's a good one from the Anne Coulter crowd. Haven't heard that one before. Chickenhawks and warmongers who have never fought are in charge of sending our soldiers and untold Iraqi civilians to die and flee their country. There is something seriously wrong with this country. Impeach the chimp!
April 20th, 2007 at 4:47 pmHow nice. Lieberman represents Israel first and not the state of Connecticut. I wonder how many American Jewish zionists contributed to his disgraceful campaign. The man is a conytemptable coward, a treasonist to his own country. The man has loyalties to Israel first, over his loyalities to his own country. You know, the country that is multicultural and consists of a minority of Jews.
Or is America his own country? I think not.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:49 pm'lil Elmer Fudd was defeated by Lamont in the primary.
He ran as an independent on Repuke money.
Don't forget it.
He talks like a little sissy-boy...no wonder he's such a great roll model (mispell intended) for these Neoturds. Shit floats & sticks together.
But oooh, that smell!
April 20th, 2007 at 4:49 pmBut he also won by the smallest margin in presidential history. A squeeker.
Comment by David Koresh
I was talking about Lieberman-when did he win the presidency?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:49 pmNo. 64 Comment by Shane — April 20, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
You asked:
:How do you know which Islamics are barbarians. Or are they all barbarians to you? And how will we know when we have defeated all barbarians? Do they have tatoos or something?:
Actually, in todays LA Times there is an article saying that, against social tradition, some Iraqi men are getting tattoos so that if they are tortured or killed beyond recognition, their next of kim can indentify them.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:49 pmThe ones who stockpile chemicals IED materials in their homes, shops and mosques have an unusually high rate of barbarian membership.
Comment by valiant venus
Like your little little right wing nut friend Cho?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:51 pmMONTPELIER, Vermont (AP) -- Vermont senators voted Friday to call for the impeachment of President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, saying their actions in Iraq and the U.S. "raise serious questions of constitutionality."
April 20th, 2007 at 4:51 pmBruce Gorton - nice post. Yeah, boy Bush was a coward on 9/11. Americans were scared and were looking for a leader and boy Bush went into hiding. That's not presidential leadership... that's behaving like the coward that he is. Boy Bush is a mass murderer. He is responsible for thousands upon thousands of deaths and he makes jokes about these deaths. What a putrid person.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:52 pm#46 You do realize that throughout World War II, Roosevelt was required to go back to Congress every 6 months to report and to ask for continued funding. You do know that don't you?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:52 pm“who are the barbarians anyway?â€
The people who do this:
...
UPDATE: The death toll rises to 157.
Comment by Exley — April 20, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
And, Exley, which incompetent Chimp and his right-wing barbarian-enablers were stupid enough to open this Pandora's Box.
You broke it, you own it, barbarian.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:52 pmwho are the barbarians anyway?â€
The people who do this:
Breaking: 157 dead in Baghdad bombings. CBS News: “A parked car bomb detonated in a crowd of workers at a Shiite marketplace in Baghdad on Wednesday, killing at least 82 people, police and hospital officials said. The attack was one of four bombings in Baghdad on Wednesday afternoon, which killed at least 127 people in total, officials said.â€
UPDATE: The death toll rises to 157.
Comment by Exley — April 20, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
Well Exley, nice of you to point out that the surge isn't working. Actually seems to have exacerbated the problem. What do you suggest now?
Oh, and if we were able to pinpoint said barbarians perhaps these attacks wouldn't have happened. So my question was "HOW DO WE KNOW WHO THE BARBARIANS ARE?" Tattoos, uniforms, haircuts, taste in music, how exactly do we know who to fight so that we know when we have beat them?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:53 pmHas anybody seen a recent poll taken of the people in Conn. about how they now feel about "Holy Joe.?" I wonder how the Dems that voted for him and not Lamont feel now as well. I expect the feeling of shame to be running rampent.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:55 pmActually, in todays LA Times there is an article saying that, against social tradition, some Iraqi men are getting tattoos so that if they are tortured or killed beyond recognition, their next of kim can indentify them.
Thats interesting... isn't against Islamic law to mutilate the body and tatoos would be considered a form of mutilation?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:55 pmSorry your detective skills have failed you. Try again.
Comment by when.the.goin.gets.tough.reid.gets.goin — April 20, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
Oh I think it's you Captain Jerk. But if I'm wrong I guess you could post your old troll name.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:55 pm#137 So by your logic, Iraqi men are barbarians?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:57 pmThe higher the body count the more obvious it is that we are winning. Or is that just in video games?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:57 pmOh I think it’s you Captain Jerk. But if I’m wrong I guess you could post your old troll name.
Comment by Shane
It's more fun playing with animals like you. That is cute how you changed the word Kirk to Jerk, so creative.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:59 pmThe ones who stockpile chemicals IED materials in their homes, shops and mosques have an unusually high rate of barbarian membership.
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
How will we know when they're all captured so we can leave, since you have them pinpointed and all.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:59 pmSomebody needs to take the Lieberschmuck out into a dark alley and bitch-slap the living daylights out of him. What a wanker and all-around awful human being he is.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:02 pmso much hate for Lieberman because he is a JFK, FDR, Harry Truman, Bobby Kennedy Democrat.
Saying that Lieberman is a JFK democrat (The sort who lands America in a unwinnable war, very nearly gets America nuked, puts his brother in a position he isn't qualified for, works hardest against the workers and workers unions, and basically gets out of being castigated by history by getting shot) may fit.
Of the other 3, well, you don't get to call yourself a Keynsian (Like FDR) by cutting how much federal funding your state gets per dollar, you don't get to claim to hold the president accountable (Like Truman did) and basically act like a total appologist the whole time, and trying to compare him to Bobby is just unfair, Bobby was never president.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:03 pm#143 Shane,
"What do you suggest now?"
Actually, I have been saying for a while now that we should probably leave. It appears to be essentially a civil war over there now and American troops should not be put in harms way because Sunnis and Shiites cannot put aside ancient religious and ethnic differences.
I just wanted to point out in my posting that there are indeed barbaric Islamist terrorists over there that are killing innocent Iraqi men, women, and children.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:03 pmThe higher the body count the more obvious it is that we are winning.
It worked in Vietnam didn't it?
April 20th, 2007 at 5:03 pmThe ones who stockpile chemicals IED materials in their homes, shops and mosques have an unusually high rate of barbarian membership.
Comment by valiant venus
And we must free those barbarians from an oppressive leader! -\/\/
April 20th, 2007 at 5:05 pm[ Remember that V V? ]
Where were you? Under a rock?YOUR side was whining and protesting the war before the “occupation†- go back and re-make up your new set of facts…your old ones aren’t working!
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
We were protesting the war in Iraq before the war in Iraq? Or are we discussing Afghanistan now because they don't seem like the same thing to most of us. Remember we were all for finind OBL it was Bush who doesn't give him much thought any more.
But then yesterday Cheney said it was OBL's idea for us to invade Iraq so maybe your side has a plan that the American people aren't privvy to.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:06 pm153. Were these barbarians there before we invaded? If so then why wasn't that addressed right after destroying the 3rd rate army we knew we'd destroy.
Face it. It was terrible planning by this president and his administration that has lead to this.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:08 pm#141 - I did not post #46, but thanks for the info.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:09 pmI just wanted to point out in my posting that there are indeed barbaric Islamist terrorists over there that are killing innocent Iraqi men, women, and children.
Comment by Exley
lemme see in 4 years of staying the course twice as many innocent people died than 23 years under Saddam. One Helluva job eh?
April 20th, 2007 at 5:10 pmHe talks like a little sissy-boy…no wonder he’s such a great roll model (mispell intended) for these Neoturds. Shit floats & sticks together.
But oooh, that smell!
Comment by Zimzone — April 20, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
Oooh, do you think he'd like to roll around with Jeff Gannon too?
April 20th, 2007 at 5:11 pmWhere were you? Under a rock?YOUR side was whining and protesting the war before the “occupation†- go back and re-make up your new set of facts…your old ones aren’t working!
Comment by valiant venus
Cause the training camps were in afghanistan...yet \/\/ said he didn't care where Osama was....Cause Rummy said IRAQ!! OIL!! AQABA PIPELINES! i gotta SHAKE HANDS WITH SADDAM!
April 20th, 2007 at 5:13 pmActually, in todays LA Times there is an article saying that, against social tradition, some Iraqi men are getting tattoos so that if they are tortured or killed beyond recognition, their next of kim can indentify them.
Comment by Merlin — April 20, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
Good to know we're helping the Iraqis feel so safe. I'd heard about the tattoos too but I'm not sure if these are our allies or the "barbarians" our trolls are talking about. When we figure that out then maybe when everybody without a tattoo is gone we can leave.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:13 pm#109 - "As a matter of fact, yes. But Iraq was never a threat, so there’s no comparison … outside your little trailer-park anyway." Comment by Grand Moff Texan
Dear Grand Wizard - Thanks for the enlightening "yes". How about a few FACTS? Iraq was not a threat unless you were a military pilot monitorig the no-fly zone agreed to in the Gulf War cease fire. Iraq did not pose a threat IF you ignore the terrorists it aided and abetted.... And because Dems are SO good at ignoring terrorists - I can understand why you might be confused.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:14 pmIt was a losing proposition from day 1 - hell, dubbie's daddy even knew that.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:15 pmNow here is a fun idea!
Anybody up for a contest to give the poorly named Valiant Venus a new name? Yes, yes, I know everybody is changing the name all the time, but there is nothing official to it. We could have a trophy for the eventual winner of "Name the Dame" or "Name the Pain" contest. There must be lots of heavenly bodies (outer space ones) that would work better than the cutesy pootsy Valiant Venus. For instance, how about "Putrid Pluto" or "Supercilious Saturn." "Penis Venus though it flows nicely, would not really work cause we don't know its sex. We need to to help this poor girl... er wom... er man ... or, whatever "it" (anybody know if trolls can change gender at will?), is from the embarrassment "it" feels with a name like that. Poor thing must be constantly embarrassed in the troll locker room.
So pile right on with choice suggestions. Should be fun...
April 20th, 2007 at 5:15 pmHib,
"It was terrible planning by this president and his administration that has led to this."
I don't disagree with that. I have soured on this war a long time ago. We never should have taken our eye off the ball in Afghanistan.
But let's keep in mind that Iraq was hardly a paradise before the invasion. Saddam led a vicious totalitarian police state that ruled through terror and murder. They are still finding mass graves of Saddam's victims in Iraq. Ot is estimated he killed up to 300,000 people, including children:
"Babies found in Iraqi mass grave
A mass grave being excavated in a north Iraqi village has yielded evidence that Iraqi forces executed women and children under Saddam Hussein.
US-led investigators have located nine trenches in Hatra containing hundreds of bodies believed to be Kurds killed during the repression of the 1980s. The skeletons of unborn babies and toddlers clutching toys are being unearthed, the investigators said."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3738368.stm
Iraq is a nightmare in which to live now and it was a nightmare during Saddam Hussein's reign.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:16 pmThere were 0 car bombings in Baghdad before we occupied the country. I see several people here who need to enroll in PHI101, and get a goddamned handle on the concept of causality for once and for all.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:17 pmWhere were you? Under a rock?YOUR side was whining and protesting the war before the “occupation†- go back and re-make up your new set of facts…your old ones aren’t working!
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
Yes, our side was against the invasion. We were right in the first place.
There wouldn't have been a war to lose had anybody realised that you righties don't know your heads from your backsides (An understandable mistake, but I digress.)
Kinda kills you to realise that now doesn't it?
April 20th, 2007 at 5:19 pmraq is a nightmare in which to live now and it was a nightmare during Saddam Hussein’s reign.
Comment by Exley — April 20, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
True, but it was a nightamre, that wasn't killing US personel, and draining the US treasury. While inflamming the middle east, and working as a great recruitment tool for every far right fundamentalist muslim.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:21 pmlet's agree to leave the righty's to gnaw on their own shrivelled legbones - god knows it's all they're fit for in the first place.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:23 pmI defend anyone who is willing to stand up to - AND DEFEAT - Islamic barbarians.
Comment by valiant venus #46
...Your proxtology sic (hehe) exam is now thirty days overdue...
...you are hereby notified that you are officially...
...full of Bushit...
(DAMN I miss that BOLD type face)...
April 20th, 2007 at 5:24 pmEx - it's a matter of degree, and you know it.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:25 pm#129 - Coffin Drapes is inspired!! "The Rise and Fall of the DemParty"
Ch. 1 - The History of Dems - the Good the Bad and the Ugly....
Soundly defeated by the Union, most post Civil War Southerners become Democrats, a trend which continued until contemporary Southern Dems in the Bible belt were sickened by the Party pro-choice stance and lack of patriotism.
Ch. 2 - Dems Connection with Collectivism (aka: Communal sharing)
Ch. 3 - Dems "Tame" the Emvironment - by Hook or by Crook
Ch. 4 - Why Wearing a Burka is worth the Price of a Terror Suspect!
Ch. 5 - "There's a Perfectly Understandable reason to believe Radical Muslims DO NOT want to destroy Israel and the West - Dems haven't MADE that part up yet....But BE Patient.....
and on and on.....
April 20th, 2007 at 5:26 pmLike I said, Krazny, I have soured on the Iraq war a long time ago. I supported it initially. I believed the confluence of WMDs and terrorism justified the invasion. Subsequent developments and events have shown that I was wrong.
Have a good Friday, folks.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:26 pm"There were 0 car bombings in Baghdad before we occupied the country. I see several people here who need to enroll in PHI101, and get a goddamned handle on the concept of causality for once and for all.
Comment by tom baker — April 20, 2007 @ 5:17 pm"
yeah, you are right there were no car bombs before we occupied Iraq, Iraqis were just being thrown into mass graves, Iraqis were having their limbs cut off, Iraqis were being gased, Iraqis were not allowed to demonstrate against Hussein, if they dare demonstrate against him, they would end up cut into little pieces and sent to CNN in a garbage bag.
So much for the left caring about human rights. I guess since IRaqis are not in Darfur the left could give two sh....ts about them.
No Liberal has been able to intelligently respond to this....
If our troops leave Iraq as the left wants and Iraq turns into a humanitarian nightmare, will the left call on American troops to go back and stop the humanitarian disaster? I mean they are sure calling on troops to be sent to Darfur, right?
April 20th, 2007 at 5:29 pmExley, The republicans made it very clear during Bosnia that we shouldn't be the world's police. So there were bad things happening in Iraq, there's bad happening in Mexico now so we should plop 100,000 troops down there. Let's do if to stop the drug trade (yeah, that'll work) and we'll give them all democracy and stop them from jumping our borders.
Bad places all over the world does not mean we should jump in. Especially on trumped up and false charges.
It was wrong to invade Iraq. But we did and that will be this president's legacy. This president has stood behind the soldiers while depleting their resources and leaving them a shell of what they were. It will take years to build up the manpower, equipment and infrastructure. This depletion is also Bush's legacy.
How many more US soldiers will die for this lie is something you should ask yourself. How many more are you comfortable with?
April 20th, 2007 at 5:30 pm#122 - "Good thing that surge is finally kicking in. Won’t be long now before they’re all brought to justice. Or at least brought to GITMO where they will wait indefinitely to actually face justice. /s" Erock
Erock, You remind me of your anti-war grandparents during WWII who were the most impatient arm-chair quarterbacks to date - - you sure do them proud!!!! But it would be unreasonable to expect any patience from you.....
April 20th, 2007 at 5:30 pmNo. 162 Comment by Shane — April 20, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
You said:
"I’m not sure if these are our allies or the “barbarians†our trolls are talking about. When we figure that out then maybe when everybody without a tattoo is gone we can leave."
I believe it was young Shiite men, not Sunis. But then the trolls here don't discriminate. They are all barbarians to them.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:31 pmvaliant venus,
good points!
Also remember that Martin Luther King's father campaigned for Nixon, when he ran against Kennedy. Nixon in this election won 30% of the black votes.
Before the Democrats demagoguery, blacks use to be a swing voted, not a block vote for the Democrats.
let us also remember that it was sthe Democrats who fought a civil war to keep slavery alive. It was also a greater number of Democrats, who some are still in Congress today, who lead a filibuster and voted against the Civil Rights Act.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:31 pm#133 - "Can’t they recall him or impeach him or something like that. They sure were sold a bill of goods."
Sorry Kate - He told CT exactly why he thought the way he did. Please stop acting like Ned Lamont didn't exist. You were paying attention - were you not?
April 20th, 2007 at 5:32 pmTelling the truth really sets off the repugnacans doesn't it? This war was lost 2 weeks after Baghdad fell when the admin didn't ship in humanitarian aid. No food no water no electricity no way for the population to go back to work and worst of all no leadership. They sent a bunch of inexperienced political hacks over to rebuild a nation. I don't know how all the yellow ribbon sporting jackasses sleep at night.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:34 pmckerest,
"I don’t know how all the yellow ribbon sporting jackasses sleep at night.
Comment by ckerst — April 20, 2007 @ 5:34 pm"
do you mean to tell us all that you don't support our troops in Iraq? that is what the yellow ribbon stands for, that we support our troops. The yellow ribbon doesn't mean that we necessarily support the Iraq policies.
so, you don't support our troops, our men and women in uniform, right?
the real question is, how do you sleep at night knowing that everything you spew is ultra left wing partisan hack talking points?
April 20th, 2007 at 5:38 pmWhy did the Republican party surrender to Alqeada ...err.. I mean ... Saudi Arabia on 9/12 .... over a cigar?
April 20th, 2007 at 5:38 pmErock, You remind me of your anti-war grandparents during WWII who were the most impatient arm-chair quarterbacks to date - - you sure do them proud!!!! But it would be unreasonable to expect any patience from you…..
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
You mean these anti-war grandparents:
Paternal Grandfather, injured in the battle of the bulge, trench foot
Paternal Grandmother, nurse in Britain during the Blitz
Maternal Grandfather, injured on Iwo Jima, schrapnel in the knee
Maternal Grandmother, worked for the State Dept during WWII
Don't pretend to know what the hell you're talking about and don't belittle the greatest generation by pretending the conflict we have today in any way stands up under comparison to what they faced.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:39 pm#167 - Bruce - What a beautiful day in the neighbourhood.....Thank you for admitting if you had your way Saddam Hussein would still be in power. (Reminds me of the Dems who loved the Stalin alliance....)
April 20th, 2007 at 5:42 pmerock,
oh please you know your grandparents did nothing during WWII but be part of the demonstrations against FDR. Admit that they were Nazi collaborators. you know that as well as I do. why try to lie now? why? what's the use?
April 20th, 2007 at 5:47 pmQ for Joe Loserman: What, exactly, is "winning"? When will we know when we've "won"? I thought the idea behind the preemptive attack of Iraq was to; 1.Get rid of WMDs and Nukes. We won! 2. To overthrow Saddam. We won! To spread democracy. They had an election, we won!
I don't remember ever saying that we "win" if we occupy Iraq endlessly. The Brits tried 80 years ago and they lost too.
Conversely, what is "losing"? None of the supposed missions we had prior to going in have yet to be accomplished. The only thing we're losing by staying is more lives.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:47 pm#167 - Bruce - What a beautiful day in the neighbourhood…..Thank you for admitting if you had your way Saddam Hussein would still be in power. (Reminds me of the Dems who loved the Stalin alliance….)
Comment by valiant venus
Ya ...and instead of protecting the Bush family buddies the Saudis we would have went after them ...which means bye bye Osama.... but we cant expect the republicans to go after the criminals behind 911 if they are also financial backers of the Bush family......
April 20th, 2007 at 5:47 pmLike every progressive, personalize EVERYTHING EVERYONE says - I blame that damn Dr. Spock!! Congrats to all your Grandpas and Grandmas - you sure have let down the self preservationists in your gene pool!! Of course in your zeal to personalize the point - you missed the point - by a mile.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:50 pmMoral of the STORY - never issue a gun permit to a progressive with such faulty aim.
Iraq did not pose a threat IF you ignore the terrorists it aided and abetted…. And because Dems are SO good at ignoring terrorists - I can understand why you might be confused.
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
So Hussein aided and abetted terrorists. Gee I though that was Bush's buddies the Saudis.
Dems are good at ignoring terrorist but it was Bush who ignored the warnings of an imminent threat and it was Bush who was supposed to be in charge on 9/11. Of course the the only job he got done from his bunker was to spirit the Bin Ladin family out of the country. Cooincidence or master plan. Yesterday Cheney admitted that it was OBL's idea for us to attack Iraq - that sounds like part of a master plan.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:52 pmValiant Venus,
Most liberals do miss the days Saddam Hussein was in power. They loved int when the French, Germans and Russians had blood alliences with him and helped him built better torture machines. They miss the UN giving Hussein money and food that never got to the Iraqis.
Remember that for the liberals the "world" means France, Germany and Russia who refused to help us out in Iraq because they had their money and country interested intertwined with the Saddam Hussein regime.
The liberals talk about the "world" not helping the USA, but they conviniently forget that France was giving Mirages to Hussein and allowing the Hussein regime to keep their money in French national banks. Great book you have to read about France and Iraq it is called, "The French Betrayal of America." detailed, well cited, gaves great detail on how it was France who armed Hussein.
The Germans were building military bunkers for the Hussein regime as well as training them and well the Russians were given them Migs, Ak-47s, gold, etc, etc.
This is the "world" that the Liberals would have liked to have allied with us in Iraq. The same countries that Knew that Hussein was mass murdering his people, but they were help him stay in power and become stronger. And helped his mass murder his people. Don't forget that it was French and Russian ground to air missles that were constantly fired out the American and British jet fighters patrolling the no fly zones in Iraq.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:52 pmvirulent venereal (disease) and j.ar j.ar (crackhead)...
...are both STILL participating in sexual encounters with their parents, various other family members and offspring...
...inbreeding causes their obvious severe psychoses...
...and their recessive genes actually code enzymatic alpha-blockers that prevent logic and reasoning abilities...
...both were released from state hospitals because of the Reagan initiative to defund and deregulate mental health programs...
...you may engage them...
...but it would be shameful on your part to take advantage of the psychologically challenged...
April 20th, 2007 at 5:53 pmjj,
That's pathetic. You can't argue the issues so you attack my grandparents. F***ing sad. Probably should expect it from the right wing though.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:54 pmLike every progressive, personalize EVERYTHING EVERYONE says - I blame that damn Dr. Spock!! Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
Says the st*pid c*nt that personalizes everything progressives say! Your self criticism, and deflection of any personal responsible would be humorous, if it weren't repeated so often it has become boring ZZZzzz....
Congrats to all your Grandpas and Grandmas - you sure have let down the self preservationists in your gene pool!! Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
Ah, here we go with the *victimhood* speech. How you're a victim to all of the progressives that just don't want to off murdering in your name so you feel safe and aren't a *victim* any more... Sad, pathetic, cowardly and st*pid little c*nt.
Of course in your zeal to personalize the point - you missed the point - by a mile.Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
Ah, the irony...
Moral of the STORY - never issue a gun permit to a progressive with such faulty aim.Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
Moral of the story, never issue a gun permit to a conservative, they'll shoot you, before shooting themselves. St*pid c*nt.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:55 pmSorry Kate - He told CT exactly why he thought the way he did. Please stop acting like Ned Lamont didn’t exist. You were paying attention - were you not? Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
Sorry venomous strapon p*nis, he lied to CT. You know, what you do every day. Lie!
April 20th, 2007 at 5:56 pmLike every progressive, personalize EVERYTHING EVERYONE says - I blame that damn Dr. Spock!! Congrats to all your Grandpas and Grandmas - you sure have let down the self preservationists in your gene pool!! Of course in your zeal to personalize the point - you missed the point - by a mile.
Moral of the STORY - never issue a gun permit to a progressive with such faulty aim.
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
Then please, what was the point. If it was some crap about defending myself in time of war then save it. If, and that's a big if, you can justify killing Iraqi's for something 15 Saudi's and 4 Egyptians did, then why aren't you over there right now mowing people down with an M-16. By the way, what you said about my grandparents wasn't a personal attack. A personal attack would be one directed at me, not my family.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:57 pmand on and on…..
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
VV you better eat something, and keep it down this time, because you're rantings are less cohesive than usual.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:58 pm#167 - Bruce - What a beautiful day in the neighbourhood…..Thank you for admitting if you had your way Saddam Hussein would still be in power. (Reminds me of the Dems who loved the Stalin alliance….) Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
Why, you actually think the Iraqis are better off today? With Al Qaeda there, and one of the largest refugee situations in decades?
You're and your fellow windbags are the st*pidest pieces of sh*t around. I'm sure your mother loves you, but just don't ask her if she does because she has to... Miserable little c*nt.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:58 pmHey j.j.!! Remember that little bashing you got yesterday on the American Revolution?
Well something hit me last night about that encyclopedia reference I bashed you with...
It said that the people that were loyalists came mostly from the south and rich fat cats from the big cities in the north....
And then there is WWII... the Bushies were funding the nazis and the nazis were adopting certain american ideas like eugenics ... and of coarse there was all that unAmerican KKK stuff down in the south... you know those people that attacked black WWII war veterns and killed them...
And then now adays ...rich fat cat republicans and southerns.... once again commiting unAmerican acts... supporting the Saudis... waging nazistic like wars of aggression and occupations of other peoples homelands...
Is there a pattern of a certain type of people in this country that just never really believe in America?
It sure seems like it...
April 20th, 2007 at 5:59 pmjj, That’s pathetic. You can’t argue the issues so you attack my grandparents. F***ing sad. Probably should expect it from the right wing though. Comment by erock — April 20, 2007 @ 5:54 pm
Yeah j.j and venus with the fake p*n*s are arguing the same talking points, wonder what wingnut "genius" supplied them to them today? Coulter, Limbaugh or Hannity? These are the same intellects that say progressives can't think for themselves, when they can't even think up an argument unless it comes from "central command". Ah, the irony...
It takes a special kind of brain damage to be as st*pid as j.jake*ss and venomous p*nis.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:00 pmThe 'mission' has changed?
NO IT HASN'T.
The warcrime FACTS have caught up with the warcrime Prznit.
The mission is illegal, aggressive war for oil and airbases, with as much genocide as possible to go along with.
And KISSINGER WAS IN ON IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, witness the civil war causing Paul Bremer, former President of Kissinger Associates, and taking his prompts in the wings, without doubt.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:01 pmActually, Valiant, as a Connecticut resident and one who watched the race very closely, Joe lied, dodged and bashed his opponent with major Republicans all the way up to the bitter end.
Connecticut residents were sold a complete bill of goods.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:04 pmMan, I'd hate to be Valiant Venus. Why does it still come back here?
wow.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:06 pmThanks, Gerald!! I now remember how your understanding of economics is limited. What's the Progressive mantra?? "No blood for oil"?
Here's the difference - I want to buy the Saudi oil, develop an alternative fuel source and kick the Saudis onto their camels. THEN you can defend them as being discriminated against....kind of like Profressives do now....
April 20th, 2007 at 6:07 pmActually, Valiant, as a Connecticut resident and one who watched the race very closely, Joe lied, dodged and bashed his opponent with major Republicans all the way up to the bitter end.
Connecticut residents were sold a complete bill of goods.
Comment by Sue — April 20, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
Poor Venus is a 23/24 year old Anorexic girl from San Diego that trades commodities by day, and fights crime and virtual legal battles on the blogs when she isn't cheating her bosses out of her wages...
Poor little wacko is so deprived of nutrition and the mental counseling she needs to deal with her mental illness, she's turned Coulter on the world. Lie is truth, fiction is fact for her, and the minions of Coulter clone h*ll b*tches like her. Poor little wacko, I'm sure her mother lovers her, but then she HAS to...
April 20th, 2007 at 6:08 pmj.j, you are too much. Punch drunk on Sacramental Wine. Tell me when these French traitors sold Iraq those Mirage fighters? Why, it wouldn't be at the same time Rumsfeld made his cheery visit and shook hands with the dictator and eagerly approved the shipment of numerous biological and chemical weapons components, could it? And the US was giving logistical support throughout the Iran-Irag war to Saddam.
Just what is the point of this 'gotcha' crap? Is it to malign your NATO partners? Alienate veto holding members of the UN Security Council? It seems to me Republicans have mud for brains when it comes to diplomacy. No wonder they always go for the big stick, words fail them.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:09 pmPLEASE.. War defenders,.Answer me this. In your Opinion...was Bin Laden Glad that we Invaded Iraq???? and Is Bin Laden Glad at the way this invasion turned out so far????
April 20th, 2007 at 6:10 pmvaliant dite, Truth hurts. Reid puts forth the words you can't get your little mind wrapped around. that doesn't make them any less true.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:10 pmMan, I’d hate to be Valiant Venus. Why does it still come back here?
wow. Comment by alp3 — April 20, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
Haven't you seen her myspace page? She's hoping someone here has FREE FOOD! ;)
April 20th, 2007 at 6:11 pmVenus, dear, do you know how much raw enjoyment I get from your posts?
When I feel a little flat from the days exertion, I "tune" in to 'ol Valiant and laugh till the tears roll down my face. You should consider stand up comedy.
What a joke you are! All this energy you spend "signifying nothing." All high school locker room bluff and bluster. Full of testosterone (do trolls even have testosterone?) and pecking order mentality. (What do you trolls do in the locker room anyway?)
You know, if you had anything worth saying you could be dangerous. And maybe worth responding to, but don't change even a hair on your chinny chin chin (do trolls have chin hair?) cause I love you just the way you are.
Now just so you will understand how funny you are I'll tell you some of your best laugh lines as you go along. Then you can be sure to use them on other blogs.
Tooodles
April 20th, 2007 at 6:12 pmThanks, Gerald!! I now remember how your understanding of economics is limited. What’s the Progressive mantra?? “No blood for oil� Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
The FAKE attorney, now lectures on ECONOMICS! BAHAHA, what a st*pid little c*nt!
Tell me Venus, how much more oil have we gotten for our TWO TRILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT!
For people that CLAIM to be capitalists, you sure are st*pid with your investments.
Here’s the difference - I want to buy the Saudi oil, develop an alternative fuel source and kick the Saudis onto their camels. Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
More bigoted and racist hate speech. You're an embarrassment, and a disgrace to your Jewish ancestry, you hateful st*pid little nazi c*nt.
THEN you can defend them as being discriminated against….kind of like Profressives do now…. Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
We don't want dictators to run Saudi Arabia, you're happy that happens today, and in the future. You don't give a sh*t about Saudi Arabia, or Iraq. You'd murder them all in a heartbeat if you could. You sick, disgusting piece of sh*t.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:13 pmHere’s the difference - I want to buy the Saudi oil, develop an alternative fuel source and kick the Saudis onto their camels. THEN you can defend them as being discriminated against….kind of like Profressives do now….
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
Then don't you think that our tax dollars would be better spend developing said alternative fuel source instead of "dropping bombs on tents." That way, we can stop sending all our oil dollars to the largest funders of terrorism AND stop inspiring thousands of thousands of young men to become terrorists. A real WIN WIN.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:14 pmVV
You basically believe in ideology before pragmatism. Emotion before logic.
Iraq was not America's responsibility, if there was a rebellion there America would have had every right to support it.
There was no rebellion, no clear and present danger posed by Iraq, and sorry to say it, but the suffering of iraq's people was kind of there problem.
Instead of leaving the situation alone, George Bush abandoned the hunt for the guy who attacked America (Realise, America was already at war with another country at the same time. It was already actively engaged in hunting down someone who killed 3000 Americans. It had other priorities which got abandoned for the sake of Iraq) and invaded a country which had spent several years under sanctions, had right at the last minute acceded to America's demand for weapons inspections (And had only previously objected to having American inspectors coming in because it didn't trust America to not invade should America's claims have proved spurious.)
While Saddam was not a nice man, and while he was in a volatile area, there are lots of not-terribly-nice leaders in this world. Robert Mugabe is currently doing precisely what Saddam did, and doing it in the name of fighting one of America's chief allies. America has not invaded Zimbabwe.
The world is not a nice place where you get rid of one dictator you get freedom. It is a place where sometimes all you get is a worse dictator, after a worse civil war. Saddam was keeping Iraq quiet, and out of the hands of America's worse enemies. If the wrong side wins the civil war, and America is not terribly good at picking the right side to win as various countries can attest, then America will be in a worse position then if it had left Saddam there.
There was no planning around Iraq after Saddam, the forces used to invade Iraq were insuffecient to the task and for all president photo-opp's grandstanding, there has as yet been no exit plan in place. For all of your talk of victory, there is no defined victory, nor in truth is there a defined enemy. So not only was the war the wrong action at the wrong time, it was badly planned too.
This is not the soldiers' fault. The fault here lies with an administration which ignored its primary target (Osama Bin Laden) and went after a target which could, in all truth, have simply been waited out. You have an administration that decided to leave the guys who were and still are actively attacking you and your allies, to attack someone who was basically harmless to the rest of the world.
However, you righties seem to have this strange idea that the president is the sum total embodiment of your soldiers. This is perhaps because you have never served, or because you have no respect for those who have or the reasons why they obeyed orders.
You do not understand that soldiers serve whether it is a Democrat, Republican or for that matter, independent in charge because it is through such service that America avoids the dangers noted in most military dictatorships.
Instead you denigrate them by identifying their service to a particular charismatic figure, rather then the office he holds or the ideals he is supposedly sworn to defend to the death. The military is the military whoever is president.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:15 pmWell said Bruce.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:27 pmI want to buy the Saudi oil, develop an alternative fuel source and kick the Saudis onto their camels.
Comment by valiant venus #203
vapid vagina,
I'm sure there are Saudis monitoring this site...
...for whom you've confirmed their beliefs that Amerikkka's conned'self-serving...
...Bushite cultists are:
racists
users
thieves
and murderers
...this is why they've escalated the Civil WAR in Iraq...
...coming soon to YOUR cul-de-sac or trailer park...
April 20th, 2007 at 6:29 pmHere’s the difference - I want to buy the Saudi oil, develop an alternative fuel source and kick the Saudis onto their camels. THEN you can defend them as being discriminated against….kind of like Profressives do now….
Comment by valiant venus
Heres the difference...
The left has called for a new manhattan project several times after 911 to switch off ME oil... but the oil companies who have too much influence in the republican party didnt let that happen... so you claim to wanting to make a real difference like that rings hollow.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:29 pmI second that. Thanks Bruce. I'd just tell ol' Mighty aphrovenus thats she's full of bushit.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:30 pmNo. 208 Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — April 20, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
"Haven’t you seen her myspace page? She’s hoping someone here has FREE FOOD! ;)"
Myspace page! Really! Oh boy, this gets better all the time! (What do trolls eat, and when do they eat it?)
April 20th, 2007 at 6:31 pmNow here is a fun idea!
Anybody up for a contest to give the poorly named "Valiant Venus" a new name? Yes, yes, I know everybody is doing that already, but there is no organization going on here. Just think. We could have a trophy for the eventual winner of "Name the Dame" or "Name the Pain" contest. There must be lots of heavenly bodies (outer space ones) that would work better than the cutesy pootsy "Valiant Venus". For instance, how about "Putrid Pluto" or "Sanctimonious Saturn" for starters.
Have some compassion here folks. We need to to help this poor girl... er wom... er man ... oh, whatever "it" is (anybody know if trolls can change gender at will?), from the embarrassment "it" feels with a name like that.
Poor thing must be constantly embarrassed in the troll locker room. (Are troll locker rooms co-ed?)
So pile right on with choice suggestions. Should be fun... It'll be forever grateful for our help.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:34 pmMyspace page! Really! Oh boy, this gets better all the time! (What do trolls eat, and when do they eat it?)
Comment by Merlin — April 20, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
Attention...and whenever they can.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:35 pmComment by Bruce Gorton
What he said...
April 20th, 2007 at 6:35 pmThe diseased slow death of the Rape-Public-Can idealogy looks painful as their denial is lanced and they thrash and nash their teeth. Personally, it is excruciating for us to live through.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:36 pmLast I checked, this is Bush's clusterf**ck and it is a HISTORICAL COLLOSSAL FAILURE.
Spin away Rape-Public-Cans the war is as lost as you.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:39 pmI wish to praise Bruce Gorton's well-reasoned and well-written post.
It is sad but predictable that so many of the troll-people who have posted here avoid the crucial issue: how the American military, no matter how powerful it may be, can be reasonably expected to "succeed" in the face of civil war in Iraq. Repeating the words "success" and "victory" and the like and calling critics of Mr. Lieberman "defeatist" are nothing more than instances of magical thinking, utterly worthless and unworthy of anyone claiming to have any intellectual integrity.
If anyone thinks that a civil war can be successfully fought, please respect the rest of us and provide an argument to that effect. (I, for one, am genuinely interested in hearing and weighing it.) That means a series of cogently argued reasons--not dogmatic assertions, not invective, not insult, not ad hominem fallacies (about which you should have learned in college)--but argument, the only valid form of intellectual currency known to civilized society. If you don't or can't formulate an argument, please have enough intellectual integrity to admit this to us. We might respect you a little more if you are honest enough to admit to us that you don't have any good reasons for your belief that victory or success is possible.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:43 pmCaption Contest:
"I can't believe Hadassa compared our intimacy to...
...Iraqi freedom"...
April 20th, 2007 at 6:45 pmGerald the Rocket Scientist, mentions Grandpa Bush funding Nazis , which is a convenient mischaracterization of the facts. Missing is the fact that the Senior Bush served as an artillery Captain in WWI fighting the Germans and that Bush Grandpa worked for Brown Brothers Harriman. Also missing is an acknowledgement of Bush 41's WWII military service.
Maybe you, Sharon and Marie could get together for a group study......God knows, the three of you could use it. (But, please take thissuggestion as a compliment - at least I view you as teachable - which is more than I can say for the pathetuically deranged VVGFU....)
April 20th, 2007 at 6:46 pmProf Colby,
Not to nitpick, but I think you meant "...a civil war can be successfully quelled by another nation,..." rather than "...a civil war can be successfully fought,..."
Or perhaps not. Just a thought.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:47 pmGerald the Rocket Scientist, mentions Grandpa Bush funding Nazis , which is a convenient mischaracterization of the facts. -VV
I would agree that funding is not the appropriate word, but the spirit of the point holds true. Please explain how it is not?
Missing is the fact that the Senior Bush served as an artillery Captain in WWI fighting the Germans... -VV
Geroge Washington's father was British...does that mean that he too was a loyal Britain?
April 20th, 2007 at 6:51 pmComment by valiant venus
Hey you know what? Stalin may have murdered millions..but he fought Hitler so Stalin is a pretty good guy ....just like Grandpa Bush...
April 20th, 2007 at 6:51 pm"Actually, Valiant, as a Connecticut resident and one who watched the race very closely, Joe lied, dodged and bashed his opponent with major Republicans all the way up to the bitter end.
Connecticut residents were sold a complete bill of goods."
Comment by Sue
Joe bashed his opponents - Good! Sorry CT residents were so gullible, Sue. You don't seem to remember nationwide bashing the Progrssive Left administered to Joe 24/7? Grow up.....
April 20th, 2007 at 6:52 pmGerald the Rocket Scientist, mentions Grandpa Bush funding Nazis , which is a convenient mischaracterization of the facts. Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
Why, because those *facts* embarrass you?
Missing is the fact that the Senior Bush served as an artillery Captain in WWI fighting the Germans and that Bush Grandpa worked for Brown Brothers Harriman. Also missing is an acknowledgement of Bush 41’s WWII military service. Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
That might have something to do with WWI and WWII Germany having two different governments? You know, like a *fascist* one, that you wingnuts could identify with?
His previous service, cannot wipe the slate from history. Prescott Bush was involved in the rise of Hitler - period.
Maybe you, Sharon and Marie could get together for a group study……Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
Maybe you should get together with Prescott, so you can rationalize how a daughter of a Jewish woman could become a modern day Nazi.
God knows, the three of you could use it. Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
Eat something, child. You sound even more petulant, derogatory and st*pid than usual.
(But, please take thissuggestion as a compliment - at least I view you as teachable - which is more than I can say for the pathetuically deranged VVGFU….) Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
Classic projection from the Goddess of unteachability... St*pid miserable nazi c*nt.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:55 pm#223: More defeatist whining. Of course we can win in Iraq. It is, in fact, the only option. We have successfully drawn the terrorists in and now they are where we can finish them off. It's just a question of political will. The American people have it, but the democrat party is doing its best to undermine our success both in Iraq and on home front.
You might remember what happened in the former Yugoslavia. We won that conflict, too. What we need to do in Iraq is to crack down hard on the insurgents, perhaps get the Kurds involved (buy them off with a promise of independence), and shut out terror sponsors like Syria, Lebanon and Iran either by putting more troops to the border or hitting them hard pre-emptively. No mercy and no negotiation with the terrorists or their sponsors.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:56 pmJoe bashed his opponents - Good! Sorry CT residents were so gullible, Sue. You don’t seem to remember nationwide bashing the Progrssive Left administered to Joe 24/7? Grow up….. Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 6:52 pm
Joe lied about his positions, and his intentions. The kind of politician that someone who's a "moral relativist" c*nt like yourself clearly admires.
Joe didn't bash the left, he cozied up to it, and worked to distance himself from the very policies he now pushes. You know, he was a lying immoral *coward*, just like yourself. St*pid c*nt.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:57 pm#226,
Good observation, erock. I would like to leave the matter open so as to give anyone the opportunity to state his strongest possible arguments against those of us who believe that the current situation in Iraq cannot be resolved as the Bush Administration desires. After all, the terms used in a political or moral debate are critical to the nature and outcome of the debate.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:59 pmFor those that don't know the relationship of Prescott Bush and Hitler, here's a nice little article.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
You know Immoral Strapon, I don't believe he was all evil. After all, Prescott was one of the major supporters of family planning and abortion. Of course in true Nazi fashion, he only supported it to keep the hoards of minorities from "over breeding". But hey, what should we expect from a Nazi like you (him), right, child?
April 20th, 2007 at 7:00 pm"Man, I’d hate to be Valiant Venus. Why does it still come back here?
wow." Comment by alp3
Dear Alpo - You know who LOVES the arrival of the trolls??? Think Progress!! Many of the threads we don't participate in (due to work , etc.) have far fewer posts and are nothing if they are not redundant... We come back so you have a reason for living....We come back so an thinking person who falls into this site won't think all Americans are as gullible, stupid and mediocre as Old Europe.
April 20th, 2007 at 7:01 pmFrankM, your post is so st*pid, so repetitive, and so filled with b*llsh*t, I suggest you just re-read several of the threads on here so we don't have to repeat ourselves yet again to a st*pid idiot like yourself. Are all of you wingnuts completely r*t*rded? Is that what level of intellect and competent it takes to be a conservative? Or is that level of st*p*dity reserved just for you wingnuts that troll?
April 20th, 2007 at 7:02 pmI remember Lieberman kicking up a major big stink (rightly) about the administration's shitty handling of the Katrina situation just before elections.
Now that he has been elected and is in a situation to really do something about it, he has, to date, taken zero action. In fact, all his righteous anger about it seems to have completely vaporized in a huge cloud of silence. All you get form him now is "urrrr criticizing a president in a time of war means you hand the terrorists a victory".
A sycophant with no scruples.
April 20th, 2007 at 7:05 pmDear Alpo - You know who LOVES the arrival of the trolls??? Think Progress!! Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
BAHAHAHA, no who loves it is you, because it's the only place a wingnut can post freely, and not worry that your own will eat you!
Many of the threads we don’t participate in (due to work , etc.) have far fewer posts and are nothing if they are not redundant… Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
What's redundant is the b*llsh*t the trolls post... Idiot.
We come back so you have a reason for living….Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
Pure projection. Without this site, you'd have no reason to live, Anorexia girl. How sad and pathetic you are.
We come back so an thinking person who falls into this site won’t think all Americans are as gullible, stupid and mediocre as Old Europe.
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
Then you're failing, because your presence makes a thinking person think that conservatives and this administration is gullible, st*pid and mediocre as a red state. Wait, you are. St*pid c*nt.
April 20th, 2007 at 7:05 pm#231,
FrankM,
Your first paragraph fails to rise above the failings of others, for you offered only insult and fallacy. I did not whine. I did not defend defeatism. (Even if I did, that by itself does not make my beliefs wrong.) I did not even state my own position. I merely asked for an argument. At least your second paragraph makes a little attempt to do that. If you try again, this time with a little more courtesy and integrity--meaning without any insult or fallacy--I would be pleased to consider your reasoning on its merits. Thank you.
April 20th, 2007 at 7:06 pmPoor valiant venus. No live, no boyfriend, no food, and no brain. She's like a standalone plot line for the wizard of oz. A veritable showtune of pathetic self loathing and psychosis...
Don't worry venus, we all feel the shame your mother must feel for you, and that you clearly feel for yourself... You can run, but you can't hide from smart people! St*pid c*nt!
April 20th, 2007 at 7:07 pm#231 FrankM - The color of our sky is blue. What is the color of the sky in your world?
April 20th, 2007 at 7:11 pm"Then don’t you think that our tax dollars would be better spend developing said alternative fuel source instead of “dropping bombs on tents.†- Comment by erock
In a word, No. Once again, Erock demonstrates that Progressives have a involuntary predisposition to jump on the wrong side of an argument. Why should the government be involved in developing any commodity? You would have faster and more efficient technology development with capitalist markets. I think the next President will be someone who values our country, her creativity, her security and won't think the government is the answer to every problem. I know...I know... you guys hate the thought of anyone getting rich on something as vital as energy....Go buy your "companion animal" a sweater....
April 20th, 2007 at 7:13 pmUPDATE: The death toll rises to 157.
Comment by Exley — April 20, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
It´s called freedom, Ex. Dont you remember the words of your leader?
By the way, since you insist on the issue. For me, Iraqi insurgency only attacks US troops, the invading army, otherwise they are just terrorists with religious vendettas.
No mercy and no negotiation with the terrorists or their sponsors.
Comment by FrankM — April 20, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
When do you plan to bomb the WH?
April 20th, 2007 at 7:15 pmNo. 226 Comment by erock — April 20, 2007 @ 6:47 pm
You nitpicked:
"If anyone thinks that a civil war can be successfully fought,..."
I think this reads correctly in this case.
BushCo is fighting with a civil war. Both sides. All Islamofascists are the same to BushCo. BushCo has no desire to win this "phony war" ...er occupation. It pleases them greatly to see the "evil little Islamofascists" killing eachother.
Hey, whatever it takes to have perpetual war, and that is the mission of our troops, you know. Keep the turmoil going, and if we lose a few troops, so be it. They died gloriously "doing their duty."
April 20th, 2007 at 7:15 pmComment by valiant venus
The government was able to use industry to build the BOMB far faster than a capitalist system ever could because it didnt care about profits...only success... and survival... which is the thought process that should be used now for several reasons... global warming...terrorism...energy independance...HUGE national debt...
April 20th, 2007 at 7:15 pmBush and consorts know the war is lost and that they have made an enormous bluunder. They will continue to kick the can down the road to run out the clock and drop the mess into the lap of the next president. Then, they will criticize from the sidelines and put the blame squarely on whomever inherits the mess.
As for Lieberman, I really do not know what happened to him. He used to be a decent, reasonable, person. Nowadays, he is an absolute scumbag. I despise him.
April 20th, 2007 at 7:17 pm"Venus, dear, do you know how much raw enjoyment I get from your posts?"
Probably alot, Merlin. Raw enjoyment? Maybe you should get out a bit more. Think of all the imaginary arguments you can conjure up! Your popularity in Prog circles should shoot through the roof!!
April 20th, 2007 at 7:18 pmWhy should the government be involved in developing any commodity?
Comment by valiant venus
Because you pay them to?
April 20th, 2007 at 7:18 pmIn a word, No. Once again, Erock demonstrates that Progressives have a involuntary predisposition to jump on the wrong side of an argument. Why should the government be involved in developing any commodity? You would have faster and more efficient technology development with capitalist markets. I think the next President will be someone who values our country, her creativity, her security and won’t think the government is the answer to every problem. I know…I know… you guys hate the thought of anyone getting rich on something as vital as energy….Go buy your “companion animal†a sweater….
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 7:13 pm
Good work avoiding the bulk of the issue, i.e. we are wasting money in Iraq.
By the way, this private sector cure all that you right wingers seem to believe in is a pipe dream. Leaving alternative fuel development to the private sector will only result in an endless loop of exhaustion. The interest of the private sector lies only in profit and therefore, any alternative they produce will be one which guarantees their continuing gain. Government grants to produce say, renewable energy alternatives would be much more effective in the long run.
April 20th, 2007 at 7:19 pmComment by FrankM
How about we leave Iraq.
Let the terrorists take the place over.
Mass up MUCH power in their islamic nation...
and then bomb the living shit out of them?
America is at its strongest when our enemies amass...
April 20th, 2007 at 7:19 pmHey, whatever it takes to have perpetual war, and that is the mission of our troops, you know. Keep the turmoil going, and if we lose a few troops, so be it. They died gloriously “doing their duty.â€
Comment by Merlin — April 20, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
Hey, 14 permanent bases and big freaking embassy is not going to be run by their own. You, my man, won the cigar.
April 20th, 2007 at 7:20 pmHey, whatever it takes to have perpetual war, and that is the mission of our troops, you know. Keep the turmoil going, and if we lose a few troops, so be it. They died gloriously “doing their duty.â€
Comment by Merlin — April 20, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
I was trying to be as precise as possible. I wanted to leave no room for semantics so I dabbled in some of my own.
April 20th, 2007 at 7:21 pmMore defeatist whining. Of course we can win in Iraq.
We have successfully drawn the terrorists in and now they are where we can finish them off.
Comment by FrankM #231
....this is NO time for joking...
...men, women, and children are dying...
...hundreds of billions being STOLEN y YOUR TREASONOUS president, vice president and their criminal corporate cabal...
...and your sorry cowardly a*s is spouting inbred (LIMBAUGH OXYCONTIN laced) talking points...
...look around that neighborhood you live in...
...there's NO security for its schools, churches, malls, grocery stores...
...you right wing Bush worshipping idiots are delusional if you think there are no al Qaeda...
...or Hezbolla, or any number of other Islamic revolutionary groups/supporters here in America...
...we're all one suicide bomber away from chaos...
...if they really wanted to simply "KILL 'Murkins"...
...there are any number of SOFT TARGETS they could hit with relative ease...
...or haven't you been watching the VT coverage?
...revisit the words of your gods Bushiva and L'il Dick...
...when they assessed the numbers and locations...
..."67,000 al Qaeda (alone) in 66 countries"...
...according to Bushiva at one time (a few years ago)...
...and you think you've drawn them ALL to Iraq?
...your powers of deductive reasoning are truly UNDERwhelming...
April 20th, 2007 at 7:24 pm#214 - Big Papa feigns concern for monitored sites - - tee-hee!!!! I could care less if they put me on their "Saudi's Most Wanted List" The Saudis are NO friends of the United States or the West. We are customers to them - pure and simple. They fund the Wahabists (who spawn Koranimals) for one simple reason - they are afraid of the extremists in their own religion. The sooner we are not their customers, the better. (Then you and High Priest Goreacle can go after China and India for buying OPEC oil and polluting the planet.)
April 20th, 2007 at 7:25 pmNo. 238 Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — April 20, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
"We come back so you have a reason for living….Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 7:01 pm"
You responded:
Pure projection. Without this site, you’d have no reason to live, Anorexia girl. How sad and pathetic you are.
Bite your tongue, VVGFU! It provides us with fantastic humor! Don't drive it away. (See my post No. 209 above on its value. Besides, I still want to know what trolls do in their locker room.)
April 20th, 2007 at 7:29 pmComment by valiant venus #254
...read #253...
...then ask someone lucid...
...what it means...
April 20th, 2007 at 7:30 pmhuh.
...and here I was thinking it was because you're bitter, ugly, pathetic, and
therefore sad and lonely.
silly me.
April 20th, 2007 at 7:38 pmDear Frank - Thank you for your suggestions re: the Kurds. But the Turks won't be thrilled. (Maybe we can keep them busy not killing Bible publishers.) Now get ready for Prof. Colby to de-construct your argument.....
April 20th, 2007 at 7:50 pmFascist propaganda enacted by an awarded bunch of condecorated fascists.
Do not expect anything good coming from Lie_bermann, Israel and the Reichwing.
April 20th, 2007 at 7:59 pmNo. 247 Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
I asked
“Venus, dear, do you know how much raw enjoyment I get from your posts?â€
You responded
"Probably alot, Merlin. Raw enjoyment? Maybe you should get out a bit more. Think of all the imaginary arguments you can conjure up! Your popularity in Prog circles should shoot through the roof!!"
Actually with all the bloviating you do here, (Earlier you bragged how much you add to the threads here.) I believe that you are a lot better in creating "imaginary arguments" than I am. Frankly, I can't keep up with your prolific outpouring. And where did you get this "popularity" idea from? The success you have gotten in "troll land."
(So, you just have to tell me!... Just how does one determine a trolls gender? Are there transgendered trolls?)
April 20th, 2007 at 8:00 pmWhen the terrorists bomb a market, and kill innocent people, the crowds blame the Americans and the Iraqi Govt. If this ain't LOSING, it is awfull close. Bush can keep this going for a while longer, but in the end.....we can't stop the violence, and the Iraqi's will have to solve their own problem. All we will get for our further efforts will be more Casualties, more insurgents, and more world condemnation.
April 20th, 2007 at 8:06 pmThe ones who stockpile chemicals IED materials in their homes, shops and mosques have an unusually high rate of barbarian membership.
I kinda forgot, what's the average rate of barbarian membership these days?
April 20th, 2007 at 8:13 pmHey!
I think valiant venis sic...
...was just on Countdown!
April 20th, 2007 at 8:24 pmRepublicans are Killers of our US Troops.
April 20th, 2007 at 8:51 pmWhy do you entertain Valiant Venus ( if the troll is so "valiant", why is it not in Iraq?) and assorted zombies?
They have bought the ideology of the WH hook, line, and sinker.
So, please, just ignore their imbecile spewing. They are totally brainwashed, hence incapable of having independent thoughts.
April 20th, 2007 at 9:10 pmWhy do all the chickenshit chickehawk warmongering 28%ers live on this progressive board? Why don't they all enlist in this wonderful war they are so eaten up with? What has Joe Lieberman ever done in the war? This war is over, lost by a drunken AWOL coward, Dubya. It was always a bad idea. Supporting the troops does not mean supporting an idiotic policy and an unwinnable war. I, for won, learned that in the Republic of South Vietnam.
April 20th, 2007 at 9:18 pmNo. 265 Comment by Devil's Advocate — April 20, 2007 @ 9:10 pm
You asked:
(if the troll is so “valiantâ€, why is it not in Iraq?)
Probably because it can't pass the physical. Even though BushCo has lowered the entrance requirements to join.
And you further asked:
Why do you entertain Valiant Venus and assorted zombies?
No, no, you get it! (snark) It is the other way around. "It" entertains me. See my post No. 209 on this thread for explanation. They are like the freaks in the old Barnum and Bailey Circus (my apologies to Circus freaks). Our trolls are their equivalent where emotions and logic is concerned.
Social misfits by their own design, who put themselves on display here for us to gawk at, and make fun of. I mean with this good a show, we should be paying them! They are never to be taken seriously as their job is simply to disrupt. (See Wikipedia for definition of troll.)
April 20th, 2007 at 9:48 pmAnd, well, as trolls can't be stopped from stinking up the thread let's get some popcorn and enjoy the show with audience (that's us) participation. No need to be angry or upset about their blathering. It is all just distraction.
February 24, 2006 2:51 PM
It Didn't Work
By William F. Buckley Jr.
"I can tell you the main reason behind all our woes—it is America." The New York Times reporter is quoting the complaint of a clothing merchant in a Sunni stronghold in Iraq. "Everything that is going on between Sunni and Shiites, the troublemaker in the middle is America."
One can't doubt that the American objective in Iraq has failed.
http://radamisto.blogspot.com/2007/02/william-f-buckley-on-iraq.html
April 20th, 2007 at 10:06 pm#249 - "By the way, this private sector cure all that you right wingers seem to believe in is a pipe dream."
Hardly - when you want to see innovation in technology, most historians don't delve into the history of the Soviet Union or Cuba. Your reflexive response sounds like a low level government bureaucrat. And for the dependent among you, please tell me how well government has alleviated poverty after a $10Trillion "War on Poverty"? Bureaucratic government standards have lowered the expectations of the education system by universally regarding mediocre as "satisfactory". The government has usurped much of the family structure in our country. And hasn't government done a bang-up job on the border issue??
Thanks for playing......
April 21st, 2007 at 12:11 am#265 - "They are totally brainwashed, hence incapable of having independent thoughts." Comment by Devil's Advocate
Dear Devil - Progs are precious - they have the self-important notion that feelings are facts. I was laughing so hard at your self-perceived intelligence, I almost forgot that the Left has not had an original thought since the beggar Marx published "The Communist Manifesto". So much for the "independent" thoughts of the Left......
Toooodles........
April 21st, 2007 at 12:20 am#270 Communist Manifesto? No, tranny, YOU are precious.
April 21st, 2007 at 12:56 amJoe Lieberman represents the dead part of the Democratic Party, the Henry "Scoop" Jackson wing, which never saw a war it couldn't support.
Jackson, at least, had an excuse -- he was the "Senator from Boeing" Washington. What's Lieberman representing -- submarines and Remingtons from Connecticut? You're going to shoot pistols at "Islamofascists" from under water?
Give me a fucking break. Joe Lieberman is a total weenie chickenhawk. He would piss in his pants before he would pick up a gun.
April 21st, 2007 at 1:20 am"Progs are precious - they have the self-important notion that feelings are facts."
Actually, that is the finest definition of the thinking of the current administration and its few pitiful remaining supporters one could possibly devise. How else can one explain conflating Muslim extremists with the forces at the command of Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union? Or imagining that Saddam Hussein in 2003 was a serious threat to American - or even regional Mideast security? The depth of ignorance about strategic geopolitical reality evidenced by those who planned, executed, and continue to support the clusterf*ck in Iraq is almost beyond comprehension. The entire pathetic affair was conceived and sold on feeling over fact, and the continued defense of it from dead-enders like VV et.al. is based on their projected collective fears and their enormous emotional investment in a hero who has proven to be a fraud and an ignormaus. Admission of failure now on their part is admission that they were played for suckers by a second-rate con-man. Attempting to engage them in a serious debate is thus an exercise in futility. Best just to pity them and keep them away from sharp objects...
April 21st, 2007 at 1:23 amWhy, oh why do Republicans have such hangups about their tiny penises (yes, that includes the tranny)?
April 21st, 2007 at 1:39 amToooodles……..
Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 12:20 am
Did you remember the new batteries tonight honey?
April 21st, 2007 at 1:47 amMomma, I promise I won't vote democrat, stop telling jokes about me, please.
April 21st, 2007 at 1:50 amDear Devil - Progs are precious - they have the self-important notion that feelings are facts. Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 12:20 am
Ah, what's *precious*, is the constant self criticism and projection of *cons* like yourself that can't tell the difference between their own bad habits and those of others. I'm sure it's precious to your *mother*. To the rest of us, we just wonder how long it will be until you pull out a gun and mow down everyone that makes fun of you.
I was laughing so hard at your self-perceived intelligence, I almost forgot that the Left has not had an original thought since the beggar Marx published “The Communist Manifestoâ€. Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 12:20 am
BAHAHA, coming from a *drone*, that's still fixated on *commies*, this is really funny! What *original* thought have you or the *conservatives* ever had - st*pid c*nt? I hate to inform you of this, but the basis of conservatism is the avoidance of NEW IDEAS! No wonder you hate *progs* so much!!!
So much for the “independent†thoughts of the Left…… Toooodles…….. Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 12:20 am
Is that what your *feelings* tell you about the *thoughts* of the left? St*pid miserable c*nt... I'm sure your mother thinks you're *precious*, we just think you're a steaming, ignorant, projecting pile of sh*t. Then again, if you were as st*pid and hateful to your mom, as you are on here, I'm sure she'd share our opinion of you...
April 21st, 2007 at 2:50 am#214 - Big Papa feigns concern for monitored sites - - tee-hee!!!! Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
Tee-hee? Is that what the other kids in your kindergarten class are saying these days?
I could care less if they put me on their “Saudi’s Most Wanted List†The Saudis are NO friends of the United States or the West. Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
Maybe someone should have told the GOP, before they started giving the Saud family the tongue? While they are no friend of the US, they are the friend of the GOP, and Texas in particular. Too bad your own party has so little regard for your interests...
We are customers to them - pure and simple. Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
Unless you're a republican, in which case, you might be their hand holding date, like GW was.
They fund the Wahabists (who spawn Koranimals) for one simple reason - they are afraid of the extremists in their own religion. Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
AH, more ignorance of history, from the st*pidest c*nt around. The Wahabists brought the Saud family into power, and created the country - thanks to mismanagement of the territory by the Cons in the UK. You Cons have a history of f*cking up that part of the world, this is just the latest edition of your mess ups.
The sooner we are not their customers, the better. (Then you and High Priest Goreacle can go after China and India for buying OPEC oil and polluting the planet.) Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
Too bad you only support that party that's OIL, OIL, OIL, TEXAS, OIL, OIL, F*CK GAYS... You don't care about polluting the planet, and are just waiting for the *RAPTURE* anyway, right wingnut?
See, how we know you're really a st*pid c*nt, is in the real world, people have a favorable opinion of Gore. He won in 2000 by over a half million votes. He's only unpopular in the circles that still think Nixon and McCarthy are heroes. We call you the 30%ers, or LOSERS for short.
St*pid c*nt.
April 21st, 2007 at 2:56 amThe people of Connecticut have burdened the rest of the country with tired old Joe Lieberman. This excuse for a representative of the people is essentially nothing more than a foreign agent. He represents the interests of a country, Israel, above that of his country of birth. This makes him a traitor.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:43 amHas anyone else noticed that VV waits until she thinks a topic is inactive to post so she can get the last word? Also, she hasn't argued a fact in her last 5 posts... all opinion and personal attacks...typical.
April 21st, 2007 at 10:17 amGod bless Lieberman and the state of Israel, the frontlines in the war on terror. All the Democratic Senators combined could not weigh in with enough balls to match Lieberman. Reid looks like his mother, who worked in several whore houses (and probably some miner 49er unknown to him, and could have starred in the Golden Girls alongside Bea Arthur, who is also more masculine than Reid.
April 21st, 2007 at 10:42 amHey valiant venus (post #7)- criticizing the Israeli govenment is not a comment on Jews or anti-semetic . Israel has spent alot of time trying to make these two things the same (just like 9/11 and Iraq from the WH side) but they are not. The Israeli governmernt actions have done more to destablize the Middle East, if not the world in general, than any other country of late. Senator Lieberman has blinders when it comes to this problem.
April 21st, 2007 at 10:53 amGod bless Lieberman and the state of Israel, the frontlines in the war on terror. All the Democratic Senators combined could not weigh in with enough balls to match Lieberman. Comment by Jason M. Hendler — April 21, 2007 @ 10:42 am
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Lieberman has *b*lls*? If he had B*lls, he wouldn't have changed/lied about his stances during the election to just get elected! Is this more of those "set aside your religious values" you keep talking about? Yeah, b*lls indeed! You're the b*ll*ss wonder son!
Reid looks like his mother, who worked in several whore houses (and probably some miner 49er unknown to him, and could have starred in the Golden Girls alongside Bea Arthur, who is also more masculine than Reid. Comment by Jason M. Hendler — April 21, 2007 @ 10:42 am
I guess you never read the comments your fellow conservative valiant venus made about you. Otherwise you'd know you're not exactly in the position of *strength* to talk about this one. As always, more projection, and self loathing from the freaky wingnuts - YOU!!!
While we're on *feminine* men, droopy dog Lieberman is *NOT* masculine, unless maybe to a *man* (cough) like you. It's all relative *son*.... How long have you had a crush on droopy dog, anyway? Does his wife know?
April 21st, 2007 at 2:40 pmYou know Hendler, the Psychiatrists have been all over the airwaves warming that "young men" (and women like valiant) that think Destruction=Power=Masculinity are the f*cked up children that go out and mass murder and become serial killers. Get some help f*cker, before the people around you pay for your lunatic ways.
April 21st, 2007 at 2:59 pmLieberman is an asshole, period. And as someone pointed out in a posting here, and I paraphrase, he has more balls than brains. For that matter, like Bush, he is all balls...brains need not apply. Doesn't take a brainiac to start a war, but it does take smart sociopathic enablers to cover the tracks of the lies told to make it happen. And every person who posts in support of this illegal war is being a "Good German" enabler, and protecting the very war profiteers who are stealing their money and killing their children. Neat trick getting people to work against their own self-interests...but then, that's what the neo-cons, starting with Reagan, are all about. And Lieberman is a neo-con who used to wear a liberal coat of many colors, but he has now been exposed for what he is, and always has been, just another war profiteer, who will never stop working in his own self-interest to keep this, and any other wars they start, going forever. It's about making money people...not about democracy, or liberty or even removing Saddam from power...it's about profits made out of an ocean of blood. Old Joe (has he still got "Joe-mentum"?) is just one of the blood ocean surfers who are hangin' ten these days with big bloody smiles for the millions their making off this death machine. After all, war is the natural state of man, right? So why not make a tidy profit while doing something oh so natural? Sick Hobbesian logic.
April 21st, 2007 at 3:15 pm#280 - "...The Israeli governmernt actions have done more to destablize the Middle East, if not the world in general, than any other country of late...."
Comment by terrym
Dear terrym - "Done more to de-stabilize the Middle East" than anyone? What nerve of Israeli's to survive atttack....after attack.....after attack!! That they obliterated Saddam's nuclear reactor when many wanted to but none had the guts - yep - - that was de-stabilizing. I imagine you think continuing to exist is "de-stabilizing".
I appreciate the fact you offered no facts and that you believe YOUR opinion counts as fact.....your mom didn't want to lower your self-esteem.
Have a great weekend! Thanks for playing............
April 21st, 2007 at 4:45 pmI appreciate the fact you offered no facts and that you believe YOUR opinion counts as fact…..your mom didn’t want to lower your self-esteem.
Have a great weekend! Thanks for playing…………
Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
Very nice selective memory. I am sure that in your tiny bubble world Israel can do only good. The fact is that Israel, as well as it's neighbors are all largely at fault for the turmoil between them. The rest of the blame falls squarely on Western Europe and the United States. Very few international relations are as black and white as you would like them to be. Just because you want Israel to be the "good guy" doesn't make it so.
April 21st, 2007 at 5:32 pmHave a great weekend! Thanks for playing…………
Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
By the way, nice try at getting the last word...does it make you feel big to mock people when no one is listening?
April 21st, 2007 at 5:33 pmThank you, erock, for answerig the evil VV for me. Just like me, you offer no specific facts (those facts CAN be confusing) - what does she want? Evidence?
Love,
April 21st, 2007 at 6:07 pmterrym
Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
And your facts are....? Try going to humanrightswatch.org for evidence of Israeli atrocities. Everyone except we Americans are well versed in how bad the Israelis can be. I wouldn't expect an 80 pound commodities trader from Redondo beach to know though. Nice try.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:44 pmI should add that Israel's arab neighbors should not be completely absolved of responsibility for the past conflicts.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:49 pmhumanrightswatch is as unbiased as TP or Rush Limbaugh....Nice try!
April 21st, 2007 at 8:42 pmhumanrightswatch is as unbiased as TP or Rush Limbaugh….Nice try!
Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 8:42 pm
Inasmuch as the SEC is biased against criminals like Ken Lay.
April 21st, 2007 at 9:25 pmNow, what you should do if you actually want to debunk my point is provide one of the following:
1. Evidence of Arab atrocities against the Israelis (Note: I said atrocities, not warfare or protest)
2. A credible argument that discredits the good people at humanrightswatch.org with citations.*
* Just saying that the source is biased does not suffice
April 21st, 2007 at 9:38 pmIn my opinion, they have a VERY left-leaning agenda. Me citing a conservative or moderate authority to prove the site is left is as stupid as you asking me to.
Look at the list of topics of their agenda. Highlight each one, Read through it carefully and VERY slowly. In 90% of the topics - the op/ed tilts left. How does a liberal test this theory? When you agree with 90% of their stated investigational goals.....(if I agreed with 90% of their agenda you could safely describe the site as conservative....) See how it works?
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:25 amLook at the list of topics of their agenda. Highlight each one, Read through it carefully and VERY slowly. In 90% of the topics - the op/ed tilts left. How does a liberal test this theory? When you agree with 90% of their stated investigational goals…..(if I agreed with 90% of their agenda you could safely describe the site as conservative….) See how it works?
Comment by valiant venus — April 22, 2007 @ 12:25 am
Because I agree with it makes it biased.... ehh..(buzzers going off)...try again. You seriously need a refresher course in logic. They are an impartial international body that monitors violations of human rights throughout the world. The fact that YOU, oh self-righteous one, do not agree with them, does not a bias make. Try again, try a third-party this time or don't waste your energy.
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:35 amWell VV,
I've got to turn in for the night. I have no doubt that you'll post something condescending here before the night is over. No worries though, that only proves how pathetic you are. You're very brave when there's no one around to respond. Until tomorrow...
April 22nd, 2007 at 1:07 amFirst of all, in politics, money buys support. Sen Lieberman received the highest amount of lobbying money from the pro-Israel lobby (source: opensecrets.org) Other politicians receive money from other interest groups and so buy their support.
Sadly, it is the money that buys the loyalty. Most of us have no real clout, so the needs of the middle class ( of which I am a member-I used to be upper middle class, but, like most, have fallen back) such as universal health care, decent wages, etc. never get addressed.
The war in Iraq is about profiteering, pure and simple. Corporations, and thus investors, are making a fortune. And they are doing it on the backs of young men and women who are being sent to a battle that was based on misinformation, and, like it or not, is unwinnable.
If big business can get the country into perpetual war ("we'll stay until we win"), then the rich will keep getting richer. And in this free trade economy there is no shortage of the goods being traded: blood for oil.
Those who support the war should understand that the military mission, deposing Saddam, was won. The military should then have been brought home and diplomacy begun.
Civilians who had no clue about strategy brought us to the quagmire we are in.
The young men and women soldiers are doing their best to carry out the orders of the Commander-in-Chief; they obey unquestioningly. Too many have died--too many are broken.
Those of us who are opposed to this war are really the ones who support the troops. They need to come home, knowing that they have done the best job possible given the ill-conceived mission to which they were assigned.
April 22nd, 2007 at 7:05 amThank God for Harry Reid. It's about time the Dems acknowledge the Iraq War is lost by any and all measureable means: Money wasted, lives lost both US and Iraq, Iraq refugees, loss of oil revenue, money wasted on this stupid ill-advised venture sold on lies and deliberately false Intel, lack of infrastructure and necessary services, level of violence and a full scale civil war raging, creation of more jhadists who would like to harm us, increased level of insecurity both in Iraq and neighboring countries, and an Iraqi government now aligned with Iran. If the Dems had more guts they would have been selling this war as a lost cause a long time ago when it was also apparent so more Americans would have voted Bush out of office back in 2004. It's a sad commentary when the truth can't be sold or told without repercussions from the deniers. And while were at it, here's another awful truth. All of these lives have been permanentl wasted on a country that was better off than it is now under Saddam's rule.
April 22nd, 2007 at 1:58 pmHarry Reid is America's new Benedict Arnold.
The United States would be a much better place if Harry Reid was removed from our land.
April 23rd, 2007 at 2:19 amHarry Reid is America’s new Benedict Arnold.
The United States would be a much better place if Harry Reid was removed from our land.
Comment by Don Rae — April 23, 2007 @ 2:19 am
The same could be said about you sir.
April 23rd, 2007 at 8:12 amDear terrym - “Done more to de-stabilize the Middle East†than anyone? What nerve of Israeli’s to survive atttack….after attack…..after attack!! Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
Survive, or INFLICT?
That they obliterated Saddam’s nuclear reactor when many wanted to but none had the guts - yep - - that was de-stabilizing. I imagine you think continuing to exist is “de-stabilizingâ€. Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
Yeah, INFLICT. Like I said. You professional victims, always blame others for being FORCED to ATTACK, just like CHO. Waco.
I appreciate the fact you offered no facts and that you believe YOUR opinion counts as fact…..your mom didn’t want to lower your self-esteem. Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
More self criticism and projection. BORING!!! Zzzz....
Have a great weekend! Thanks for playing…………
Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
Beautifully condescending, arrogant, and petulant as usual...
Poor little psycho, her idea of 'playing' is her attempts to spread hate, and propaganda. What a st*pid little c*nt.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:52 pmLook at the list of topics of their agenda. Highlight each one, Read through it carefully and VERY slowly. In 90% of the topics - the op/ed tilts left. How does a liberal test this theory? When you agree with 90% of their stated investigational goals…..(if I agreed with 90% of their agenda you could safely describe the site as conservative….) See how it works?
Comment by valiant venus — April 22, 2007 @ 12:25 am
BHAHAHAHA, that's one of the st*pidest things you've ever said! You really are an ignorant little c*nt!
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:52 pmReid is a disgrace...How do you think out troops feel when a senior senator makes comments that the war is lost? Has he seen the eyes of our brave men? Tell then to their face that the war is lost. I have never seen anyone so negative.. and how about you retired generals? Now coming out against the war and what has to be done. Did you not have the guts to express your feelings to the powers to be? Afraid you’d loose your general status and send you off to Siberia? In my days the generals were the strategist of the war. They figured out what had to be done to get to point A to point B. what obstacles would we encounter? How do we meet our objectives? Train the Iraqi people on how to recognize movement in their neighborhoods. Men carrying large boxes into a garage; acting suspicious. Then a hot line to police to warn of these activities. Like TIS (turn in insurgents). The Iraqi’s have to help themselves. Let’s put an end to the senseless killings of innocent people and leave Iraq in better hand than when we (USA) arrived.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:38 ameveryone who doesn't see the damage this causes is a moron...plain and simple. U know nothing about the real military and know less about troop morale. What that feminist Reid said is demoralizing. He's the Majority Leader of the Senate reading off moveon.org talking points. Reid should be shot by our soldiers as a traitor
April 24th, 2007 at 11:42 amI think it's past time for Liberman to go back to his own country, Israel.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:50 pmI'm ashamed that Gore ever put him on the democratic ticket in 2000. He has become a mouth piece for the republican party.
Go back to Israel Joe!
Take the Pledge
All Presidential Candidates should make pledges like those below. If they refuse, then you should refuse to vote for them.
1. No More Oil Wars.
2. Work for independence from foreign oil on day one.
3. No more wars for corporate profit.
4. No more secret deals for $4 per gallon gas.
5. No more Chicken Hawks promoting wars of choice when they themselves avoided combat.
6. Make government green--if you can't make what you have the most control over green, I don't care about your plans to make the country green.
7. No more torture.
8. No more lying about torture.
9. No more re-defining torture.
10. No more drunken hunting.
11. No more secret deals with big corporations to divide up the spoils before the war even starts.
May 30th, 2007 at 6:58 am