Reid War Comment Echoes Kissinger, Senior Military Officials
Reid War Comment Echoes Kissinger, Senior Military Officials
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) is under fire from the right over his statement yesterday that the war in Iraq “is lost.”
Reid was called “reckless” and accused of “playing to the worst elements of the antiwar left.” White House Spokeswoman Dana Perino said his comment was “disturbing.” In a new statement, published in full below, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) warns Reid, “We should not surrender in the face of barbarism.”
But Reid’s description of the war isn’t controversial. In fact, one of Bush’s own regular war advisers — Henry Kissinger — agrees with Reid:
Former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who helped engineer the U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam, said Sunday the problems in Iraq are more complex than that conflict, and military victory is no longer possible. […]
Reid’s remarks also echo senior military officials. Retired Gen. Wiliam Odom, head of Army intelligence and director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan, published an essay in February titled “Victory Is Not An Option.” Also, via TPM Cafe, here’s Gen. Tony McPeak, who served on the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the first Gulf War:
The war in Iraq isn’t over yet, but — surge or no surge — the United States has already lost. That’s the grim consensus of a panel of experts assembled by Rolling Stone to assess the future of Iraq. “Even if we had a million men to go in, it’s too late now,” says retired four-star Gen. Tony McPeak, who served on the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the Gulf War. “Humpty Dumpty can’t be put back together again.“
What Kissinger, Odom, McPeak, and Reid understand is that the mission in Iraq has changed. The United States is now stuck in the middle of a civil war to which there is no military solution, only a political one. As Reid said later: “there is still a chance to change course — and we must change course.”
UPDATE: John Aravosis has several other quotes.
Full statement:
WASHINGTON — Senator Joe Lieberman (ID-CT) today made the following statement in response to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s comment that the Iraq War is “lost:”
“This week witnessed horrific terrorist attacks by Islamist extremists in Iraq, killing hundreds of innocent civilians and leading Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to declare that the war is ‘lost.’
With all due respect, I strongly disagree. Senator Reid’s statement is not based on military facts on the ground in Iraq and does not advance our cause there.
Al Qaeda’s strategy for victory in Iraq is clear. They are trying to murder as many innocent civilians as possible in an effort to reignite sectarian fighting and drive us to retreat from Iraq.
The question now before us is whether we respond to these terrorist attacks by running away as Al Qaeda hopes — abandoning the future of Iraq, the Middle East, and ultimately our own security to the very same people responsible for this week’s atrocities — or whether we stand united to fight them.
This is exactly the wrong time to conclude that we have lost the war in Iraq, or that our new strategy has failed. Instead, we should provide General Petraeus and his troops with the time and the resources to succeed. We should not surrender in the face of barbarism.”
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Lie berman is a good little Israeli right to the end.
April 20th, 2007 at 2:57 pmLieberscum, STFU! Setting a timetable for leaving an undeclared “war” is not surrendering. I wish you would surrender your senate seat.
April 20th, 2007 at 2:59 pmI think it is very clear that Lieberman speaks for the Israeli lobbies in the US. Their interests in Iraq revolve around Israeli security and are extremely flawed.
He does not seem to represent what is in the best interests of the American public nor military, never mind his Connecticut constituents.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:00 pmHey don’t let facts get in the way of a good smear.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:01 pmoff topic, but/
Get busy ya’ll:
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Harry “Surrender” Reid would throw his grandmother overboard if it would score points politically. (He would massage the message so progressive voters would help toss the ‘old gal ‘.) Of course, he would assure the “heavy lifters” it was for the good of the country.
He is poison for the morale of most troops…….Shame on Senator Surrender!
April 20th, 2007 at 3:03 pmYes, Terry M, those damned Israelis - what nerve for our ally to be concerned with their “neighbours”!!! I can imagine how folks like you think the Jews in Poland should have just “missed the train”.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:06 pmAnyone see this yet? The Vermont state senate voted to impeach Chimpy & his handler…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18229765/
April 20th, 2007 at 3:07 pmCome over to the Dark Side, Joe.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:08 pmKill the messanger and ignore the message. Page 42 of Rove’s Rules handbook. Right under fun with emails.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:09 pmWhereas I agree that the occupation in Iraq is hopelessly lost, the actual wording “lost” is a horrible flub. The Democrats need their own wordsmith like Frank Luntz, just a bit slimmer and less sweaty.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:10 pmLie Berman, Israeli senator to the United States.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:11 pm“Hence the second part of Reid’s statement, which conservatives conveniently drop when levying their attacks: ” “But there is still a chance to change course — and we must change course.â€
Nice try, ThinkProgress, but Reid only added that language later on the floor of the Senate after he realized his blunder when he earler spoke to reporters and said, “”I believe … that this war is lost, and this surge is not accomplishing anything, as is shown by the extreme violence in Iraq this week.”
http://www.breitbart.com/ article.php?id=070419184534.ileoeb47&show_article=1
Realizing the pernicious impact of his words, Reid later tried to cover his tracks by adding the “change course” language when he spoke on the floor.
It is disingenuous of TP to try and conflate the timing of Reid’s two separate statements.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:11 pmHe is poison for the morale of most troops…….Shame on Senator Surrender!
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
How would you know sitting behind your keyboard. Or are you pretending that you were in the service again today.
I guess you haven’t heard that the morale of the troops and their families is already way down. Remember your supposed brother and sister inlaw and the extended tour she wasn’t happy about. Or was that just more lies.
So you’re defending Lieberman then? Do tell us all about why he’s your hero now.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:12 pmGod bless Lieberman and the state of Israel, the frontlines in the war on terror. All the Democratic Senators combined could not weigh in with enough balls to match Lieberman. Reid looks like his mother, who worked in several whore houses (and probably some miner 49er unknown to him, and could have starred in the Golden Girls alongside Bea Arthur, who is also more masculine than Reid.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:12 pmThe left, democrats and progressives are weak, cowardly, vesicles of appeasement that will beg for rescue from the same military they seek to destroy.
Harry Reid finally exposed himself and the democrats for what they are and now the democrats are left shivering in the cold wind of defeatism.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:13 pmWho’s the enemy? Who would we submit our surrender-cease-fire agreement to? Who, you Rightards, would WE be surrendering to???
Being at “war” with an ideology is pure nonsense.
Remember the Cold War?
Yet, here we are again, baited by the most corrupt who we unfortunately put our trust in.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:13 pmvaliant Venus (hello mighty), It has never been declared a war. The troops I talk to have a very different opinion than the one you pulled out of your Rovian ass.
You can, but I won’t forget how this administration sent in our troops unprepared and ill equipped. How they gave the supply contracts to weasels that fed our soldiers tainted food and water (that’s real posion from Bush and Halliburton). How tours have been extended after the president said he would not extend tours. One day after.
So you keep standing behind this wretch. I don’t care. But you are on the wrong side. The poision has come from Bush all along.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:13 pmChickenhawks…
…cowards and TRAITORS…
…oh my…
(repeat)…
April 20th, 2007 at 3:14 pmLIEberman, why don’t you just become a rethuglican?
April 20th, 2007 at 3:16 pmI think he’s got it backwards…
April 20th, 2007 at 3:17 pmValiant, please explain — how is the Iraq War protecting Israel?
April 20th, 2007 at 3:19 pmJMH is STILL obsessed with whore houses. Just give me your address and I’ll buy you a whore, poor little virgin boy.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:19 pm#6…”Shame on Senator Surrender!”
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
This “Shame on ______ (fill in the blank)” comment is a very silly attempt at a condescending remark. It’s sounds like a mother or father trying to shame a child into changing their behavior. Adults do not respond to the shame game. They either act responsibly or they don’t. They either accept the consequences of their actions or they don’t. Harry Reid takes full responsibility for his comments AND will accept the consequences. I realize that the concept of accepting responsibility AND consequences for your actions is something that is foreign to blood-thirsty necons like you, but at least try to understand.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:19 pmLIEberman is a useless (to US citizens, anyway) warmongering liar. His defenders, chickenhawks and keyboard kommandos, should immediately enlist in this “War of Error” & then ship off to Iraq. The sooner, the better.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:22 pmFunny how the right wing claims that America has been “feminized” and suffers from “Nanny syndrome” yet they feel that the minds of America’s military warriors are so fragile that any discussion of the Iraq war will psychologically damage them.
We must be raising a new generation of “feminized” warriors who must be coddled and kept from hearing debate lest they lose their noerve.
Pathetic.
-GSD
April 20th, 2007 at 3:23 pm“Senator, the cleaners just called.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:23 pmYour yamulkas are ready to be picked up.”
Nice language to encourage our Iraqi allies, senator liar, as you have just insinuated that all Iraqis are Barbarians, since they want us out of their country!
April 20th, 2007 at 3:27 pmThank you Lieberman for saying what need to be said.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:27 pmHendler, Exley, venus, all we need is fairyhead and patty and the post just might drown in the Kool-Aid!
April 20th, 2007 at 3:28 pmMan, you rightards are just the stupidest, most ignorant pieces of human feces that have ever existed. IT IS A CIVIL WAR, you cannot be in the middle of a CIVIL WAR and win anything, and just what describes a victory anyway, what is the goal, to shoot at Iraqis insurgents, oh you mean the Iraqis loyalist that are trying to drive out the occupation of their country by a country that simply wanted to take possession of their oil. You repukes are just a bunch of braindead sheep, go back to your caves, bang rocks together, let the intelligent people handle this.
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:29 pmFirst, WE are engaged in an OCCUPATION in Iraq. Iraqis are at WAR. Americans are involved in an OCCUPATION.
Second, Reid’s comments are BEHIND the curve. The war was NEVER winnable militarily. The only victory possible was for the contractors.
Third, the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) refused to budge and made it abundantly clear that, surge or not, the U.S. position would continue to erode. This is the NIE! This is the opinion from the sum of all our Intelligence Agencies.
That the media is treating Reid’s comments as outrageous is sad but predictable.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:30 pm“playing to the worst elements of the antiwar leftâ€
Wait a minute…..is that us!? Cool!
April 20th, 2007 at 3:30 pmAdults do not respond to the shame game. They either act responsibly or they don’t. They either accept the consequences of their actions or they don’t.
Meaning that there are no adults in this administration. Just a criminal cabal of fascists. Goes for their defenders too.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:30 pmSenator Reid is correct. Iraq is lost. The war is lost due to mismanagement by civilian leaders. The troops were magnificent for the most part. Iraq is lost because there is no will of the people to stop the bloodshed amongst the religious factions, fanned by rogue militants’ interest in distabilization. The Sunnis have support from Saudi Arabia et al, and Iran backs the Shia. We’re stuck there to protect the Kurds and George Bush’s ass. What’s wrong with this picture? We can mourn, rightly, the massacre of innocents in Virginia, but look past the toll on American troops and innocent men, women and children caught in an unwinnable civil war. Get out of Iraq and save America from itself.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:30 pm#27, Raven,
As atrocious as your spelling is, your anti-Jewish bigotry is even more appalling.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:32 pmAwwww look at 29, the yapping ‘patriotic’ puppy. “Give me liberty, or give someone else death!” is his motto.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:32 pmThere’s only one thing worse than losing a war, and that’s thinking you haven’t.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:32 pmLiebermann doesnt give a fuck about America his only concern is Israel. His stance on foreign policy is nearly treasonous as he puts the concerns of Israel before the US. But that is the neo CON way…isnt it.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:33 pm#27, Raven, As atrocious as your spelling is, your anti-Jewish bigotry is even more appalling. Comment by Exley — April 20, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
As atrocious as your posts always are, your belief that anytime the fact someone is jewish is mentioned in joke or not is anti-jewish shows your own deep seeded bigotry. Hypocrite, pathetic, st*pid sad little hypocrite.
Tell me ExLax, are you ashamed you’re jewish, or ashamed that most of your fellow jews hate you because you’re a st*pid nazi sellout? Bet I know the answer!
April 20th, 2007 at 3:38 pmyarmulkes
April 20th, 2007 at 3:39 pmsorry.
Fu*k Joe Lieberman.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:39 pm**SIGH** IF ONLY THE PEOPLE OF(oops) Connecticut had not suffered from a mGIANT COLLECTIVE BRAINFART(caps intended) and elected Lamont, wouldn’t the Senate just be this wonderful, dreamy place?….
April 20th, 2007 at 3:40 pmReid should calmly walk over to Lieberman during the next session and punch him in the face until he drops to the floor. Then spit on him for good measure.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:40 pm“playing to the worst elements of the antiwar leftâ€
Wait a minute…..is that us!? Cool!
Comment by Zooey — April 20, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
The irony is it’s the same st*pid projection that ExLax does. Lieberman is playing to the worst elements of the warmongering Right. How sad that he had to be such a liar, and idi*t to the people of Conn. The whole state feels cheated by this fool.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:40 pmSo according to the right wing trolls and delusional idiots, Henry Kissinger is now a lefty?
He did, after all, say the exact same thing Reid did.
Or can they not bring themselves to vilify him?
Seriously … where’s the outrage for what he and the generals said?
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April 20th, 2007 at 3:41 pm#14 - Shanette: “So you’re defending Lieberman then? Do tell us all about why he’s your hero now.”
I defend anyone who is willing to stand up to - AND DEFEAT - Islamic barbarians. This includes many with whom I disagree on domestic issues (i.e. Ed Koch, Rudy Guiliani, Tony Blair, etc.)
#18 - Hellen - “The troops I talk to have a very different opinion than the one you pulled out of your Rovian ass.”
Of course “the troops YOU talk to” agree with YOU - you are the type who would dismiss the majority of our troops as irrelevant. When FDR sent troops to engage our mortal enemies 60 years ago, we were in the process of recovering from a huge hit to our Pacific Fleet and our equipment was substandard. But in historic AmeriCAN fashion, our country rose to the challenge. You don’t seem to know how long tours of duty were for our drafted and enlisted military during that period.
The weasels at Halliburton received contracts during Clinton’s Bosnian foray - you must have forgotten. A suggestion: do a tad of research before you sound so ill-informed.
#24 - Your PC drivel is condescending. Yawnnnn…. Zzzzz
April 20th, 2007 at 3:41 pmAt least Lieberman is for country over party. Now he just needs to have it explained to him that he lives in the US and works for US citizens, not Likud.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:41 pmAwwww look at 29, the yapping ‘patriotic’ puppy. “Give me liberty, or give someone else death!†is his motto.
Comment by Loonie
Awww look at this one, probably never gets out of his mom’s basement. Why did you take down the lemonade stand? Was it too stressful?
April 20th, 2007 at 3:41 pmwhat a pandering winny cry baby
April 20th, 2007 at 3:41 pmThe irony is it’s the same st*pid projection that ExLax does
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
Irony is somebody that is unable to come up with a valid point and simply says other peope are projecting. We all know that you are the one projecting, now come up with something new-broken record.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:44 pm….take Hadassa, buy a nice concrete box in an illegal Israeli settlement, and call it a day.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:47 pmWe need to stop giving Leiberman free press. He betrayed his constituents and he needs to be placed on a “back burner” with someone keeping an eye on his misadventures and misdemeaners. He should not be allowed to be recognized as someone with something worthwhile to say… just as someone who needs their behavior to be watched and then exposed when his lies and treachery threathen to have an impact on our freedoms and lives.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:52 pmIf we leave Iraq–what will happen?
What will we lose? The respect of the rest of the world?
Yea, right. They so respect us now.
Will the ‘newly’ encouraged’ terrorists follow us home?
I got it! We’ll send the troops to Germany and Guam! Al Qaeda won’t know what to think!
Will the troops be discouraged?
Well, then let’s hold a big parade in every town and give them all a terrific dinner with cake and ice c ream and–get this–a free iPod! That should cheer them up!
It really is funny that the same folks that were so supremely dismissive of world opinion going in is suddenly so concerned about image. We’ll look like quitters!”
To whom?
The worthless cheese-eating surrender monkeys? China? Stone Cold Steve Austin? Russia?
Oh, but it will encourage the terrorists.
These terrorists were sao encouraged that they routinely kill themselves by strapping explosives to their bodies. I’d say that that’s about as encouraged as the can get.
I’ve got another idea. Let them think we’re defeated. Let them think we’re beaten. Let them dance around, and begin to despise us and feel mighty and invincible.
That’s when they get careless.
Let them follow us home–then we’ll have them.
But the blowhards don’t want to win the war. They don’t want Uncle Sam to throw OBL in the hoosegow and dust off his hands and get back to work.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:54 pmNo, they are acting like the neighborhood bully, jealously guarding a tough rep–who swaggers around with no friends–and whose food gets spat in at every restaurant he frequents.
VV,
No matter how much you wish it to be, this is not WWII. If you must compare our current situation to a past conflict, you will find the Vietnam conflict more amenable. In fact, I believe you will find most of the rhetoric tossed out by the pro-war faction (of which you are a member) today nearly identical to that of the Vietnam-era war-mongers…right down to the WWII allusions.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:54 pmAs atrocious as your spelling is, your anti-Jewish bigotry is even more appalling.
Comment by Exley — April 20, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
Yeah, Raven, what the hell is wrong you? How can you say that? Thats appalling. Please, support the bombing of Iraqi children with cluster bombs and white phosphorous and get in the good side track.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:55 pmAwww look at this one, probably never gets out of his mom’s basement. Why did you take down the lemonade stand? Was it too stressful?
Comment by when.the.goin.gets.tough.reid.gets.goin
We have a debating genius, folks.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:57 pmOh f**k, the trolls are back today in full force. Yesterday was a beautiful day, a day when Gonzales showed the world how incompetent he is and how he is joined at the hip with boy Bush and could care less about what happens in the DOJ… and the trolls stayed home and sucked their thumbs… because they had nothing to say to protect their boy Bush’s appointee.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:57 pm#38 - “There’s only one thing worse than losing a war, and that’s thinking you haven’t.”
Actually, there IS only one thing worse than losing a war - THAT is a political faction (progressives) who are HAPPY about it - and have hoped to lose since before the thing got started…..
April 20th, 2007 at 3:58 pmReid doesn’t need Lieberman’s support or opinion, he has the backing of the American people and senior military officials. That’s all he needs.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:58 pmJa wol, senor Juan!
April 20th, 2007 at 3:59 pmYou sad sack of shit venus. You know less than Gonzo. I don’t talk to service members to elicit similar stances. I hear what they have to say from a variety of different venues and they are in the majority. And the majority of the military say Iraq is wrong. The main reason we rose to the challange as you so patriotically put is because a democratic president had the balls and the foresight to know what to do. He built an incredible machine that churned out the soldiers with a draft, that turned the lumbering industries into makers of tanks, boats, guns and such. He also built up the patriotism with a purpose.
There are only slogans coming from Bush. And go shopping is one of the more piss poor slogans. Instead of galvinizing this country he went for power grabs. Very unpatriotic and your an ass
April 20th, 2007 at 3:59 pmGod bless Lieberman and the state of Israel, the frontlines in the war on terror. All the Democratic Senators combined could not weigh in with enough balls to match Lieberman.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler —
I completely agree. /sexual impotence off.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:59 pmGood one there Juan C, that actually made me laugh.
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily
April 20th, 2007 at 4:00 pmI defend anyone who is willing to stand up to - AND DEFEAT - Islamic barbarians
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
How do you know which Islamics are barbarians. Or are they all barbarians to you? And how will we know when we have defeated all barbarians? Do they have tatoos or something?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:00 pmAnd I accuse Lieberman of azz-kissing in the face of stupidity.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:00 pmLieberman surrendered to Bush, who is as barbaric as they come.
Hopefully Reid won’t, although that remains to be seen.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:01 pmWe need to stop giving Leiberman free press. He betrayed his constituents and he needs to be placed on a “back burner†with someone keeping an eye on his misadventures and misdemeaners. He should not be allowed to be recognized as someone with something worthwhile to say… just as someone who needs their behavior to be watched and then exposed when his lies and treachery threathen to have an impact on our freedoms and lives.
Comment by Coffins Draped with Flags
He was elected after his party threw him out and he ran as an independent. His stance on the war was known before the election. He is doing what his constituents elected him to do, stand up the the big bad democratic party.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:01 pmWe have a debating genius, folks.
Comment by Juan C
I’ve read your posts, I have nothing to worry about.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:02 pm(Shall I pack and ship another order of brightly colored American made cluster bombs to that certain small rogue nuclear state on the far eastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea?)
April 20th, 2007 at 4:02 pmWell, this thread stinks of trolls and as stated, Leiberman doesn’t deserve free press, so there’s better topics to discuss. Check out the “free speech zone” video posted on C & L.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:02 pm#40 Raven, Apology accepted for misspelling is accepted. However, your implication that Jewish-Americans are somehow not “real Americans” is reprehensible. Accusing Jews are having dual-loyalties or being less than loyal and “sneaky” is an ages old tactic designed to marginalize Jews in society. The most obvious and egregious example of use of this smear was, of course, in Nazi Germany. But other nations and communities have used this tactic, as well.
One may disagree with Lieberman all one wants. But to reference his religion and Jewish garb for no apparent reason is to engage in religious bigotry. People like VVGFU may find anti-Jewish bigotry amusing, but most people do not.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:04 pmnow come up with something new-broken record.
Comment by when.the.goin.gets.tough.reid.gets.goin — April 20, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
Like you come up with a new name for every thread, coward? Don’t even have the guts to admit you’ve been an idiot on another thread. Not to worry, we always figure out who you are.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:04 pmFu*k Joe Lieberman.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — April 20, 2007 @ 3:39 pm
Well here’s a job NOBODY wants.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:05 pmI defend anyone who is willing to stand up to - AND DEFEAT - Islamic barbarians
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
Strike Hard,
Strike First,
Show No Mercey!
COBRA KAI!
He he he. I love childish propaganda.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:05 pmWho moved my cheesy victory? Mickey Liebermouse keeps looking for his cheesy victory. But it’s moved. No WMD, no OBL, no greetings as liberators. And yet. What? The Iraqi Army was defeated; Saddam was caught, tried, and hanged; the Iraqis drafted a constitution and elected a government; and… What?
If you keep moving the cheese, you can never declare victory. Bush already declared Mission Accomplished once. That was 3000 US GI lives ago. It’s not a war any more. It’s a domestic dispute. It’s between Iraqis and Iraqis. Is America going to pick sides? And which side would that be? O’Reilly keeps calling for a new and improved Saddam: Is that what Liebermouse wants?
When Saddam fell, the arbitrary arrest, imprisonment, torture, and murder of innocent Iraqis didn’t stop. It was taken over by the US military. And where is the Coalition of the Willing who will liberate Iraq from Bush and Blair? Mickey Liebermouse had better be upfront and admit he’s scared of what a truly democratic and free Iraq would look like. Isn’t that why this whole adventure was a mistake in the first place?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:06 pm#67.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:06 pmHaving lived in the neighborhood of the constituents who elect Lieberman, I know exactly who they are.
They vote for whichever political party supports their own unique identity.
Which supercedes their identities as Americans.
Does anyone have solid numbers on Leiberman’s approval rating in his home state? This human sleep inducer is loving his temp. membership into the Bush lover’s club but he still has to answer to his state.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:06 pmI’ve read your posts
Comment by when.the.goin.gets.tough.reid.gets.goin — April 20, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
Really? Why do you torture yourself? ;)
April 20th, 2007 at 4:06 pm#55 Says the man who supports the Iraqi “insurgents” who deliberately set off car bombs in marketplaces and mosques killing hundreds of Iraqi men, women, and children:
Self-defense is what the Iraqi insurgency is doing…
April 20th, 2007 at 4:08 pmComment by Juan C — July 24, 2006 @ 6:32 pm
Mmm, was just thinking, who are the barbarians anyway? Could it possibly be the ones that invaded a country for the sole reason to take their precious oil. Could it be the ones that kidnap and torture anyone they want? Could it be the ones that use banned weapons on civilians? Could it be the ones who rape women and then kill their entire family? Could it be the ones who are war profiting (Cheney HB stock made him 50 mill so far with this war)? Just who are these darn barbarians anyway?
You repukes are the barbarians, with you blood lust for war.
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily
April 20th, 2007 at 4:08 pmERock - You’re right - this is not WWII. This has the potential to be worse. With the expressed war declaration including a worldwide restoration and expansion of the caliphate, facing an enemy who wears no uniform, attacks hotels and embassies, strikes worldwide your allusion to VietNam is pathetic. Confined to SE Asia, your comparison with VietNam is not parallel.
Thank you for reading the party line accurately - you’re doing better than many of your comrades in that department. Your parting gift is at the door.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:09 pmpoor wacked out liberals, so much hate for Lieberman because he is a JFK, FDR, Harry Truman, Bobby Kennedy Democrat.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:09 pmLike you come up with a new name for every thread, coward? Don’t even have the guts to admit you’ve been an idiot on another thread. Not to worry, we always figure out who you are.
Comment by Shane
I’ve made you look like a fool under a number of names. Or you have made yourself look like a fool while I had a number of names. Your consistency is remarkable.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:09 pmYeah, Raven, what the hell is wrong you? How can you say that? Thats appalling. Please, support the bombing of Iraqi children with cluster bombs and white phosphorous and get in the good side track.
Comment by Juan C — April 20, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
Juan good job straightening Raven out. Raven do you want people to think you’re some kind of peacenik or something? Oh, you do! Never mind.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:10 pmReally? Why do you torture yourself? ;)
Comment by Juan
I love shooting fish in a barrel.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:10 pmDoes anyone have solid numbers on Leiberman’s approval rating in his home state? This human sleep inducer is loving his temp. membership into the Bush lover’s club but he still has to answer to his state.
Comment by hellinabucket
He did win the election without a party and all it’s money.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:13 pmI’m really starting to have the same viscerally negative reaction to ANYTHING Lieberman says that I’ve had to Bush for 6 1/2 years now.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:13 pmTHAT is a political faction (progressives) who are HAPPY about it - and have hoped to lose since before the thing got started…..
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
That political faction is called the MAJORITY. And how could we have hoped to lose the occupation of Iraq before the thing got started when there was no reason to think we’d invade Iraq before Bush committed this blunder?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:13 pmIf it didn’t mean that the Dems would lose the slim majority in the Senate if Lieberman left, I would like to see him run out of town and into Bushlandia.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:13 pmBut that’s what the little twerp is enjoying - he knows he has the Dem party by the balls and he has power.
The treasonous weasel, loyal to Israel and the Bushies, both of them before the USA.
Maybe we could work on a repug changing sides to join the dems and then Lieberman could go to hell.
God bless Lieberman and the state of Israel, the frontlines in the war on terror.
Right, because they’re up against the same terror groups that threaten the US.
Wait. No they aren’t.
And the US is protecting a terrorist from extradition, so what’s all this bullshit about a war on terror, anyway? Who’s stupid enough to fall for that one any more?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:14 pm.
He did win the election without a party and all it’s money.
He won with the Republican party, its money, even one of its bloggers.
He’s as much a Democrat as he is an American.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:15 pm.
There’s nothing stopping Liberman from sending his whole family to provide security in Iraq. It might help the effort.
Why don’t you send your family there Joe?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:15 pmso much hate for Lieberman because he is a JFK, FDR, Harry Truman, Bobby Kennedy Democrat.
Those Democrats would have kicked these loser Republicans up one side and down the other of the Washington mall. Only a Republican would confuse them with a pussy like Lieberman.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:16 pm.
Hey JJ your trailer has a flat, better fix it.
And mow the grass so ppl can see that car on your front lawn.
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily
April 20th, 2007 at 4:16 pmAny defeat that Bush suffers is a victory for America.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:18 pmHe won with the Republican party, its money, even one of its bloggers.
He’s as much a Democrat as he is an American.
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Comment by Grand Moff Texan
I know dems love the mantra “party before country”. How could the guy have his own thoughts?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:18 pmJust who are these darn barbarians anyway?
You repukes are the barbarians, with you blood lust for war.
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily
Comment by Buck Fush — April 20, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
DING DING DING - We have a winner!
April 20th, 2007 at 4:19 pmI could only find a poll that went to Dec 2006-41% apppoval by Democrats,56% disapproval(by Democrats)-Democrat only poll… with only 40% approval at the time of election by democrats, who REALLY elected him into office? his ’shadow party’, the Republican Party??
http://www.surveyusa.com/ client/ PollTrack.aspx?g=5b2ae37d-ddb3-43ce-9ef4-f463f260dbe9&x=751,2
April 20th, 2007 at 4:20 pmI’ve made you look like a fool under a number of names. Or you have made yourself look like a fool while I had a number of names. Your consistency is remarkable.
Comment by when.the.goin.gets.tough.reid.gets.goin — April 20, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
Okay Captain Kirk - whatever you believe. See you guys aren’t hard to figure out at all.
Still seems kind of wimpy to me. Of course this gets you out of that I served already lie you couldn’t cover.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:21 pmDearest VV SQWAWK SQWAWK CHICKENHAWK!
Now Shut up and Enlist.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:21 pmActually, there IS only one thing worse than losing a war - THAT is a political faction (progressives) who are HAPPY about it - and have hoped to lose since before the thing got started…..
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
You keep banging that drum. … Maybe someone will give you stronger meds.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:21 pmI know dems love the mantra “party before countryâ€. How could the guy have his own thoughts?
He has his own thoughts. But America thinks otherwise so he’s just another road-kill conservative like you.
All caught up, now?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:22 pm.
Hellen notes:
“He built an incredible machine that churned out the soldiers with a draft, that turned the lumbering industries into makers of tanks, boats, guns and such. ”
Just one question, Hellen. WHEN did FDR muster America’s preparedness???? Before we got hit by Japan??
#82 - JJ, I must offer one Correction - Lieberman is most like JFK and Truman - he ain’t no Bobby Kennedy.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:25 pm“who are the barbarians anyway?”
The people who do this:
Breaking: 157 dead in Baghdad bombings. CBS News: “A parked car bomb detonated in a crowd of workers at a Shiite marketplace in Baghdad on Wednesday, killing at least 82 people, police and hospital officials said. The attack was one of four bombings in Baghdad on Wednesday afternoon, which killed at least 127 people in total, officials said.â€
UPDATE: The death toll rises to 157.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:25 pmAnd now Sean Hannity is calling for Reid’s resignation.
Good.
Hannity’s whiny little voice is exactly what we want Americans to think of when they hear the word conservative. Just a frustrated, pasty little bitch.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:26 pm.
Okay Captain Kirk - whatever you believe. See you guys aren’t hard to figure out at all.
Still seems kind of wimpy to me. Of course this gets you out of that I served already lie you couldn’t cover.
Comment by Shane
Sorry your detective skills have failed you. Try again.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:26 pmLieberman won his first senate seat in 1970 basically on a campaign that heralded his anti-war position. Sad to see this guy has made a 180 degree turn in his beliefs, or is this as we suspect just an Israel thing.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:26 pmHe has his own thoughts. But America thinks otherwise so he’s just another road-kill conservative like you.
All caught up, now?
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Comment by Grand Moff Texan
Can you say RE-ELECTED after he stated his stance on the war?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:27 pmJust one question, Hellen. WHEN did FDR muster America’s preparedness???? Before we got hit by Japan??
As a matter of fact, yes.
But Iraq was never a threat, so there’s no comparison … outside your little trailer-park anyway.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:27 pm.
Yes, and they are Barbarians too, and your point is?
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily
April 20th, 2007 at 4:27 pmBreaking: 157 dead in Baghdad bombings. CBS News: “A parked car bomb detonated in a crowd of workers at a Shiite marketplace in Baghdad on Wednesday, killing at least 82 people, police and hospital officials said. The attack was one of four bombings in Baghdad on Wednesday afternoon, which killed at least 127 people in total, officials said.â€
UPDATE: The death toll rises to 157.
Comment by Exley
I think these are the barbarians he was speaking of.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:28 pmI know the lemonade stand closure was tough on you, but I just couldn’t stand your incessant whining about how the lemonade was too strong and fizzy, and how the bubbles hurt your little nosie. Please understand, I had to do something.
I must have missed the post where you made a valid point, Socrates.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:28 pmCan you say RE-ELECTED after he stated his stance on the war?
Yes, by Republicans. I already said that.
You’re not very bright, are you? That would certainly explain your politics.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:29 pm.
UPDATE: The death toll rises to 157.
Meanwhile, the occupation is powerless to stop it. The only reason Americans continue to die in Iraq is so that Bush can save face.
That’s why the Republicans are coming unglued. The truth is out, the numbers are up, and once again their party is on the wrong side and losing every day.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:30 pm.
Everyday the failure in Iraq gets worse and worse highlighting the extreme incompetence of the bushies and their enablers. After all their incompetence, ineptitude, and disconnectedness, they wish more harm on this great country by continuing with their gross incompetence, ineptitude, and criminal neglect. The showdown is coming.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:30 pmThe people who do this:
UPDATE: The death toll rises to 157.
Comment by Exley —
And how many times a week did it happen before we overthrew Saddam?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:30 pmMore from shanette: “How do you know which Islamics are barbarians. ”
The ones who stockpile chemicals IED materials in their homes, shops and mosques have an unusually high rate of barbarian membership.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:32 pmSo what will Leiberman do after boy Bush leaves office and the Republicans in the Senate get replaced by Democrats? Who’s butt will he kiss, then?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:34 pmVV,
War declaration? Are you in the right century? Worldwide conflict? Are you out of your mind? Where (other than the Middle East) are we actively fighting terrorism? Hint: Standard security practices do not constitute active fighting.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:34 pmBuck Asks, ” Could it possibly be the ones that invaded a country for the sole reason to take their precious oil.”
We don’t, and have NEVER taken their oil - we buy it. Please note the difference. Good news for you, Koranimal apologists infest the globe - you’ll never be lonely
April 20th, 2007 at 4:35 pmfacing an enemy who wears no uniform, attacks hotels and embassies, strikes worldwide your allusion to VietNam is pathetic. Confined to SE Asia, your comparison with VietNam is not parallel.
Comment by valiant venus
Poor deluded crank-head. The Vietnam war was sold as the only way to stop the spread of communism worldwide. Remember The Domino Principle?
But then, your memory is shot from all the meth, so it’s understandable.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:35 pmThe ones who stockpile chemicals IED materials in their homes, shops and mosques have an unusually high rate of barbarian membership.
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
Good thing that surge is finally kicking in. Won’t be long now before they’re all brought to justice. Or at least brought to GITMO where they will wait indefinitely to actually face justice. /s
April 20th, 2007 at 4:36 pmThe ones who stockpile chemicals IED materials in their homes, shops and mosques have an unusually high rate of barbarian membership.
Comment by valiant venus
Sing it, sister!
April 20th, 2007 at 4:38 pmWe don’t, and have NEVER taken their oil - we buy it. Please note the difference.
Please note the dictats of the administration concerning the new Iraq’s role in OPEC. Or did you just miss those? We were buying their oil right before their invasion, but now we can control their output.
See what’s happened to American energy companies?
Man, you guys are slow.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:39 pm.
If we were not there those poor ppl would still be alive today, yes anyone who harms, much less kills, anyone is a Barbarian. But really, it is the Bush administration that is at fault for all the misery being brought to those poor civilian there.
I also blame all of the congress that voted on this stupid war for not taking the time to look into the lies that the Bush Mafia were telling the congress and the American ppl, it is unforgivable.
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily
April 20th, 2007 at 4:39 pmI know the lemonade stand closure was tough on you, but I just couldn’t stand your incessant whining about how the lemonade was too strong and fizzy, and how the bubbles hurt your little nosie. Please understand, I had to do something.
Comment by Loonie
I would have kept coming over, but once the meth lab your mom was running was busted I figured the lemonade stand was gone too. By the way is your mom still hooking, I just found 2 bucks in my car?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:39 pmYes, by Republicans. I already said that.
You’re not very bright, are you? That would certainly explain your politics.
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Comment by Grand Moff Texan
More people voted for him than the democratic hand picked candidate get over it.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:40 pmThat’s your only response venus? Don’t use FDR to support anything Bush did but ignore that Bush didn’t follow any of the path that FDR did.
All the build up was after Pearl Harbor. “Go shopping” was after 9/11. Gas rationing was put in place by FDR. Bush cut taxes and put off the actual spending of this conflict into 4+ years of supplemental spending that doesn’t go into the planned budget but still has to get paid. Metal drives, Rosie the Rivetor and Blood Drives came from the Democratic President. Private contractors, unarmored vehicles, extended tours of duty came from this Republican president.
Comparing the two only serves to show what a glaring failure Bush has been and will continue to be.
Mighty, you haven’t changed but it’s good to see you just the same.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:42 pmThe Fall of the Republican Party… makes a good book title. The first chapter could be all about how traitor Rove developed a plan to turn the US into a nazi state. Chapter 2 - The Sadim Touch - how boy Bush destroys everything he touches, including his own party.
The Republicans have no credibility left… watching them destroy themselves is a beautiful thing to observe.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:42 pm#83 - I sense the presence of greatness….has I-RIGHT-I returned?
and then….. we have shanette……………. who incorrectly or dishonestly notes, “And how could we have hoped to lose the occupation of Iraq before the thing got started when there was no reason to think we’d invade Iraq before Bush committed this blunder?”
Where were you? Under a rock?YOUR side was whining and protesting the war before the “occupation” - go back and re-make up your new set of facts…your old ones aren’t working!
April 20th, 2007 at 4:42 pmMore people voted for him than the democratic hand picked candidate get over it.
Comment by when.the.goin.gets.tough.reid.gets.goin
But he also won by the smallest margin in presidential history. A squeeker.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:43 pmOkay first off:
I don’t know about the Israel lobby, its not a lobby I have looked into, but frankly if the US was about protecting Israel’s interests: Iraq wouldn’t have happened. Israel has a delicate balancing game going on where so long as its enemies are worried about getting attacked by the rest of the Arabic world, they aren’t attacking Israel.
Iran, wasn’t doing much about Israel because it was worried about what Iraq was going to do the second it was distracted with something else, Iraq wasn’t going to attack Israel for pretty much the same reason and yep, the Saudi’s were in the same boat. Now that balance is pretty much stuffed, and Israel has to worry about:
1: Its chief protectors being overextended as it is and
2: A whole lot of anti-Israeli feeling because, well, there is an element of the old Jewish conspiracy **** going around.
Next off:
The left has courage, more courage then the right ever had. The left doesn’t need to pretend to be tough, we know ourselves well enough to know that we are stronger then you.
We are brighter then you, we don’t feel this inordinate need to continue doing something stupid in order to try and make ourselves look tough, and we recognise when a given battle is won, or lost.
You righties are still arguing about evolution.
The war in Iraq is a lost battle. It was a battle which the leftwing said, right at the beginning, would be unwinnable, and it has proven to be the case. We were right about everything to do with this war, and you cowards on the right have repeatedly tried to hide that fact behind lame accusations of us not respecting the troops (Even though we fight for veterans rights while you slash them) or not supporting America (Even though we fight for American civil rights, while you burn them.)
The truth is that your party achieved, in six years of unprecedented power, two wars, doubling America’s debt and wrecking America’s disaster relief capabilities. And they did it based solely on your principles, they weren’t liberals in disguise. They were 100% true believer conservatives and they screwed up royally.
Now the Democrats are in power. The left, has grown stronger then you could ever imagine because leftwing idealogy works, and rightwing idealogy does not. You demonised us so much, that now we are immune to you. Your slime, no longer touches us because it bores those you wish to impress with it.
Your straw men no longer impress the masses.
And now the left will do what must be done. Iraq is a mess which will cost more to fix then it will to leave. America is in deep debt to countries not known for supporting America, and it is time to deal with that. It is time to cut your losses.
And you can waive the corpses of 9/11 around as much as you like but the hard truth is that 9/11 was a dramatic failure, not a success, and thus should not be abused to defend the one who failed. Bush acted like a coward on 9/11, he ran and hid. While Guliani rallied New York and Bill Clinton visited the site, George Bush talked tough from the safety of his bunker.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:44 pmCan’t the people in Connecticut do something about this sorry excuse for a human being? Can’t they recall him or impeach him or something like that. They sure were sold a bill of goods. I would be willing to bet that if they had known what they know today about LIEberman, they would not have reelected him.
I am to the point where I really wouldn’t care if he went over to the Republics. At least it would be more honest.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:46 pmYou mean there’s still a debate about whether this war is lost? The surge seems to be doing the exact opposite of what they thought. The worst day of carnage in Iraq just happened yesterday or the day before. How dare Sen. Reid espouse the obvious. Reality is not an option! It doesn’t matter if the administration has done everyting in it’s power to fumble and bumble their way through international affairs or lose the war all by themselves. If you just ignore it you can’t say it’s lost. What a joke. Senator Surrender? Ohhh that’s a good one from the Anne Coulter crowd. Haven’t heard that one before. Chickenhawks and warmongers who have never fought are in charge of sending our soldiers and untold Iraqi civilians to die and flee their country. There is something seriously wrong with this country. Impeach the chimp!
April 20th, 2007 at 4:47 pmHow nice. Lieberman represents Israel first and not the state of Connecticut. I wonder how many American Jewish zionists contributed to his disgraceful campaign. The man is a conytemptable coward, a treasonist to his own country. The man has loyalties to Israel first, over his loyalities to his own country. You know, the country that is multicultural and consists of a minority of Jews.
Or is America his own country? I think not.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:49 pm‘lil Elmer Fudd was defeated by Lamont in the primary.
He ran as an independent on Repuke money.
Don’t forget it.
He talks like a little sissy-boy…no wonder he’s such a great roll model (mispell intended) for these Neoturds. Shit floats & sticks together.
But oooh, that smell!
April 20th, 2007 at 4:49 pmBut he also won by the smallest margin in presidential history. A squeeker.
Comment by David Koresh
I was talking about Lieberman-when did he win the presidency?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:49 pmNo. 64 Comment by Shane — April 20, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
You asked:
:How do you know which Islamics are barbarians. Or are they all barbarians to you? And how will we know when we have defeated all barbarians? Do they have tatoos or something?:
Actually, in todays LA Times there is an article saying that, against social tradition, some Iraqi men are getting tattoos so that if they are tortured or killed beyond recognition, their next of kim can indentify them.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:49 pmThe ones who stockpile chemicals IED materials in their homes, shops and mosques have an unusually high rate of barbarian membership.
Comment by valiant venus
Like your little little right wing nut friend Cho?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:51 pmMONTPELIER, Vermont (AP) — Vermont senators voted Friday to call for the impeachment of President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, saying their actions in Iraq and the U.S. “raise serious questions of constitutionality.”
April 20th, 2007 at 4:51 pmBruce Gorton - nice post. Yeah, boy Bush was a coward on 9/11. Americans were scared and were looking for a leader and boy Bush went into hiding. That’s not presidential leadership… that’s behaving like the coward that he is. Boy Bush is a mass murderer. He is responsible for thousands upon thousands of deaths and he makes jokes about these deaths. What a putrid person.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:52 pm#46 You do realize that throughout World War II, Roosevelt was required to go back to Congress every 6 months to report and to ask for continued funding. You do know that don’t you?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:52 pm“who are the barbarians anyway?â€
The people who do this:
…
UPDATE: The death toll rises to 157.
Comment by Exley — April 20, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
And, Exley, which incompetent Chimp and his right-wing barbarian-enablers were stupid enough to open this Pandora’s Box.
You broke it, you own it, barbarian.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:52 pmwho are the barbarians anyway?â€
The people who do this:
Breaking: 157 dead in Baghdad bombings. CBS News: “A parked car bomb detonated in a crowd of workers at a Shiite marketplace in Baghdad on Wednesday, killing at least 82 people, police and hospital officials said. The attack was one of four bombings in Baghdad on Wednesday afternoon, which killed at least 127 people in total, officials said.â€
UPDATE: The death toll rises to 157.
Comment by Exley — April 20, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
Well Exley, nice of you to point out that the surge isn’t working. Actually seems to have exacerbated the problem. What do you suggest now?
Oh, and if we were able to pinpoint said barbarians perhaps these attacks wouldn’t have happened. So my question was “HOW DO WE KNOW WHO THE BARBARIANS ARE?” Tattoos, uniforms, haircuts, taste in music, how exactly do we know who to fight so that we know when we have beat them?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:53 pmHas anybody seen a recent poll taken of the people in Conn. about how they now feel about “Holy Joe.?” I wonder how the Dems that voted for him and not Lamont feel now as well. I expect the feeling of shame to be running rampent.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:55 pmActually, in todays LA Times there is an article saying that, against social tradition, some Iraqi men are getting tattoos so that if they are tortured or killed beyond recognition, their next of kim can indentify them.
Thats interesting… isn’t against Islamic law to mutilate the body and tatoos would be considered a form of mutilation?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:55 pmSorry your detective skills have failed you. Try again.
Comment by when.the.goin.gets.tough.reid.gets.goin — April 20, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
Oh I think it’s you Captain Jerk. But if I’m wrong I guess you could post your old troll name.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:55 pm#137 So by your logic, Iraqi men are barbarians?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:57 pmThe higher the body count the more obvious it is that we are winning. Or is that just in video games?
April 20th, 2007 at 4:57 pmOh I think it’s you Captain Jerk. But if I’m wrong I guess you could post your old troll name.
Comment by Shane
It’s more fun playing with animals like you. That is cute how you changed the word Kirk to Jerk, so creative.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:59 pmThe ones who stockpile chemicals IED materials in their homes, shops and mosques have an unusually high rate of barbarian membership.
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
How will we know when they’re all captured so we can leave, since you have them pinpointed and all.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:59 pmSomebody needs to take the Lieberschmuck out into a dark alley and bitch-slap the living daylights out of him. What a wanker and all-around awful human being he is.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:02 pmso much hate for Lieberman because he is a JFK, FDR, Harry Truman, Bobby Kennedy Democrat.
Saying that Lieberman is a JFK democrat (The sort who lands America in a unwinnable war, very nearly gets America nuked, puts his brother in a position he isn’t qualified for, works hardest against the workers and workers unions, and basically gets out of being castigated by history by getting shot) may fit.
Of the other 3, well, you don’t get to call yourself a Keynsian (Like FDR) by cutting how much federal funding your state gets per dollar, you don’t get to claim to hold the president accountable (Like Truman did) and basically act like a total appologist the whole time, and trying to compare him to Bobby is just unfair, Bobby was never president.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:03 pm#143 Shane,
“What do you suggest now?”
Actually, I have been saying for a while now that we should probably leave. It appears to be essentially a civil war over there now and American troops should not be put in harms way because Sunnis and Shiites cannot put aside ancient religious and ethnic differences.
I just wanted to point out in my posting that there are indeed barbaric Islamist terrorists over there that are killing innocent Iraqi men, women, and children.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:03 pmThe higher the body count the more obvious it is that we are winning.
It worked in Vietnam didn’t it?
April 20th, 2007 at 5:03 pmThe ones who stockpile chemicals IED materials in their homes, shops and mosques have an unusually high rate of barbarian membership.
Comment by valiant venus
And we must free those barbarians from an oppressive leader! -\/\/
April 20th, 2007 at 5:05 pm[ Remember that V V? ]
Where were you? Under a rock?YOUR side was whining and protesting the war before the “occupation†- go back and re-make up your new set of facts…your old ones aren’t working!
Comment by valiant venus — April 20, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
We were protesting the war in Iraq before the war in Iraq? Or are we discussing Afghanistan now because they don’t seem like the same thing to most of us. Remember we were all for finind OBL it was Bush who doesn’t give him much thought any more.
But then yesterday Cheney said it was OBL’s idea for us to invade Iraq so maybe your side has a plan that the American people aren’t privvy to.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:06 pm153. Were these barbarians there before we invaded? If so then why wasn’t that addressed right after destroying the 3rd rate army we knew we’d destroy.
Face it. It was terrible planning by this president and his administration that has lead to this.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:08 pm#141 - I did not post #46, but thanks for the info.
April 20th, 2007 at 5:09 pmI just wanted to point out in my posting that there are indeed barbaric Islamist terrorists over there that are killing innocent Iraqi men, women, and children.
Comment by Exley
lemme see in 4 years of staying the course twice as many innocent people died than 23 years under Saddam. One Helluva job eh?
April 20th, 2007 at 5:10 pmHe talks like a little sissy-boy…no wonder he’s such a great roll model (mispell intended) for these Neoturds. Shit floats & sticks together.
But oooh, that smell!
Comment by Zimzone — April 20, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
Oooh, do you think he’d like to roll around with Jeff Gannon too?
April 20th, 2007 at 5:11 pmWhere were you? Under a rock?YOUR side was whining and protesting the war before the “occupation†- go back and re-make up your new set of facts…your old ones aren’t working!
Comment by valiant venus
Cause the training camps were in afghanistan…yet \/\/ said he didn’t care where Osama was….Cause Rummy said IRAQ!! OIL!! AQABA PIPELINES! i gotta SHAKE HANDS WITH SADDAM!
April 20th, 2007 at 5:13 pmActually, in todays LA Times there is an article saying that, against social tradition, some Iraqi men are getting tattoos so that if they are tortured or killed beyond recognition, their next of kim can indentify them.
C