Comments on: Reid War Comment Echoes Kissinger, Senior Military Officials http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:15:45 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Poetry http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/comment-page-7/#comment-3828999 Poetry Wed, 30 May 2007 10:58:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/#comment-3828999 Take the Pledge All Presidential Candidates should make pledges like those below. If they refuse, then you should refuse to vote for them. 1. No More Oil Wars. 2. Work for independence from foreign oil on day one. 3. No more wars for corporate profit. 4. No more secret deals for $4 per gallon gas. 5. No more Chicken Hawks promoting wars of choice when they themselves avoided combat. 6. Make government green--if you can't make what you have the most control over green, I don't care about your plans to make the country green. 7. No more torture. 8. No more lying about torture. 9. No more re-defining torture. 10. No more drunken hunting. 11. No more secret deals with big corporations to divide up the spoils before the war even starts. Take the Pledge

All Presidential Candidates should make pledges like those below. If they refuse, then you should refuse to vote for them.

1. No More Oil Wars.

2. Work for independence from foreign oil on day one.

3. No more wars for corporate profit.

4. No more secret deals for $4 per gallon gas.

5. No more Chicken Hawks promoting wars of choice when they themselves avoided combat.

6. Make government green–if you can’t make what you have the most control over green, I don’t care about your plans to make the country green.

7. No more torture.

8. No more lying about torture.

9. No more re-defining torture.

10. No more drunken hunting.

11. No more secret deals with big corporations to divide up the spoils before the war even starts.

]]> By: Pat http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/comment-page-7/#comment-3769442 Pat Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:50:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/#comment-3769442 I think it's past time for Liberman to go back to his own country, Israel. I'm ashamed that Gore ever put him on the democratic ticket in 2000. He has become a mouth piece for the republican party. Go back to Israel Joe! I think it’s past time for Liberman to go back to his own country, Israel.
I’m ashamed that Gore ever put him on the democratic ticket in 2000. He has become a mouth piece for the republican party.
Go back to Israel Joe!

]]> By: Scott http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/comment-page-7/#comment-3766376 Scott Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:42:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/#comment-3766376 everyone who doesn't see the damage this causes is a moron...plain and simple. U know nothing about the real military and know less about troop morale. What that feminist Reid said is demoralizing. He's the Majority Leader of the Senate reading off moveon.org talking points. Reid should be shot by our soldiers as a traitor everyone who doesn’t see the damage this causes is a moron…plain and simple. U know nothing about the real military and know less about troop morale. What that feminist Reid said is demoralizing. He’s the Majority Leader of the Senate reading off moveon.org talking points. Reid should be shot by our soldiers as a traitor

]]> By: TeagleT http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/comment-page-7/#comment-3766364 TeagleT Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:38:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/#comment-3766364 Reid is a disgrace...How do you think out troops feel when a senior senator makes comments that the war is lost? Has he seen the eyes of our brave men? Tell then to their face that the war is lost. I have never seen anyone so negative.. and how about you retired generals? Now coming out against the war and what has to be done. Did you not have the guts to express your feelings to the powers to be? Afraid you’d loose your general status and send you off to Siberia? In my days the generals were the strategist of the war. They figured out what had to be done to get to point A to point B. what obstacles would we encounter? How do we meet our objectives? Train the Iraqi people on how to recognize movement in their neighborhoods. Men carrying large boxes into a garage; acting suspicious. Then a hot line to police to warn of these activities. Like TIS (turn in insurgents). The Iraqi’s have to help themselves. Let’s put an end to the senseless killings of innocent people and leave Iraq in better hand than when we (USA) arrived. Reid is a disgrace…How do you think out troops feel when a senior senator makes comments that the war is lost? Has he seen the eyes of our brave men? Tell then to their face that the war is lost. I have never seen anyone so negative.. and how about you retired generals? Now coming out against the war and what has to be done. Did you not have the guts to express your feelings to the powers to be? Afraid you’d loose your general status and send you off to Siberia? In my days the generals were the strategist of the war. They figured out what had to be done to get to point A to point B. what obstacles would we encounter? How do we meet our objectives? Train the Iraqi people on how to recognize movement in their neighborhoods. Men carrying large boxes into a garage; acting suspicious. Then a hot line to police to warn of these activities. Like TIS (turn in insurgents). The Iraqi’s have to help themselves. Let’s put an end to the senseless killings of innocent people and leave Iraq in better hand than when we (USA) arrived.

]]> By: ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/comment-page-7/#comment-3764716 ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:52:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/#comment-3764716 <em>Look at the list of topics of their agenda. Highlight each one, Read through it carefully and VERY slowly. In 90% of the topics - the op/ed tilts left. How does a liberal test this theory? When you agree with 90% of their stated investigational goals…..(if I agreed with 90% of their agenda you could safely describe the site as conservative….) See how it works? Comment by valiant venus — April 22, 2007 @ 12:25 am</em> BHAHAHAHA, that's one of the st*pidest things you've ever said! You really are an ignorant little c*nt! Look at the list of topics of their agenda. Highlight each one, Read through it carefully and VERY slowly. In 90% of the topics – the op/ed tilts left. How does a liberal test this theory? When you agree with 90% of their stated investigational goals…..(if I agreed with 90% of their agenda you could safely describe the site as conservative….) See how it works?
Comment by valiant venus — April 22, 2007 @ 12:25 am

BHAHAHAHA, that’s one of the st*pidest things you’ve ever said! You really are an ignorant little c*nt!

]]> By: ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/comment-page-7/#comment-3764714 ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:52:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/#comment-3764714 <em>Dear terrym - “Done more to de-stabilize the Middle East” than anyone? What nerve of Israeli’s to survive atttack….after attack…..after attack!! Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 4:45 pm</em> Survive, or INFLICT? <em>That they obliterated Saddam’s nuclear reactor when many wanted to but none had the guts - yep - - that was de-stabilizing. I imagine you think continuing to exist is “de-stabilizing”. Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 4:45 pm</em> Yeah, INFLICT. Like I said. You professional victims, always blame others for being FORCED to ATTACK, just like CHO. Waco. <em>I appreciate the fact you offered no facts and that you believe YOUR opinion counts as fact…..your mom didn’t want to lower your self-esteem. Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 4:45 pm </em> More self criticism and projection. BORING!!! Zzzz.... <em>Have a great weekend! Thanks for playing………… Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 4:45 pm</em> Beautifully condescending, arrogant, and petulant as usual... Poor little psycho, her idea of 'playing' is her attempts to spread hate, and propaganda. What a st*pid little c*nt. Dear terrym – “Done more to de-stabilize the Middle East” than anyone? What nerve of Israeli’s to survive atttack….after attack…..after attack!! Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 4:45 pm

Survive, or INFLICT?

That they obliterated Saddam’s nuclear reactor when many wanted to but none had the guts – yep – - that was de-stabilizing. I imagine you think continuing to exist is “de-stabilizing”. Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 4:45 pm

Yeah, INFLICT. Like I said. You professional victims, always blame others for being FORCED to ATTACK, just like CHO. Waco.

I appreciate the fact you offered no facts and that you believe YOUR opinion counts as fact…..your mom didn’t want to lower your self-esteem. Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 4:45 pm

More self criticism and projection. BORING!!! Zzzz….

Have a great weekend! Thanks for playing…………
Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 4:45 pm

Beautifully condescending, arrogant, and petulant as usual…

Poor little psycho, her idea of ‘playing’ is her attempts to spread hate, and propaganda. What a st*pid little c*nt.

]]> By: erock http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/comment-page-7/#comment-3763800 erock Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:12:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/#comment-3763800 Harry Reid is America’s new Benedict Arnold. The United States would be a much better place if Harry Reid was removed from our land. Comment by Don Rae — April 23, 2007 @ 2:19 am The same could be said about you sir. Harry Reid is America’s new Benedict Arnold.

The United States would be a much better place if Harry Reid was removed from our land.

Comment by Don Rae — April 23, 2007 @ 2:19 am

The same could be said about you sir.

]]> By: Don Rae http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/comment-page-7/#comment-3763769 Don Rae Mon, 23 Apr 2007 06:19:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/#comment-3763769 Harry Reid is America's new Benedict Arnold. The United States would be a much better place if Harry Reid was removed from our land. Harry Reid is America’s new Benedict Arnold.

The United States would be a much better place if Harry Reid was removed from our land.

]]> By: rj crane http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/comment-page-7/#comment-3763077 rj crane Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:58:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/#comment-3763077 Thank God for Harry Reid. It's about time the Dems acknowledge the Iraq War is lost by any and all measureable means: Money wasted, lives lost both US and Iraq, Iraq refugees, loss of oil revenue, money wasted on this stupid ill-advised venture sold on lies and deliberately false Intel, lack of infrastructure and necessary services, level of violence and a full scale civil war raging, creation of more jhadists who would like to harm us, increased level of insecurity both in Iraq and neighboring countries, and an Iraqi government now aligned with Iran. If the Dems had more guts they would have been selling this war as a lost cause a long time ago when it was also apparent so more Americans would have voted Bush out of office back in 2004. It's a sad commentary when the truth can't be sold or told without repercussions from the deniers. And while were at it, here's another awful truth. All of these lives have been permanentl wasted on a country that was better off than it is now under Saddam's rule. Thank God for Harry Reid. It’s about time the Dems acknowledge the Iraq War is lost by any and all measureable means: Money wasted, lives lost both US and Iraq, Iraq refugees, loss of oil revenue, money wasted on this stupid ill-advised venture sold on lies and deliberately false Intel, lack of infrastructure and necessary services, level of violence and a full scale civil war raging, creation of more jhadists who would like to harm us, increased level of insecurity both in Iraq and neighboring countries, and an Iraqi government now aligned with Iran. If the Dems had more guts they would have been selling this war as a lost cause a long time ago when it was also apparent so more Americans would have voted Bush out of office back in 2004. It’s a sad commentary when the truth can’t be sold or told without repercussions from the deniers. And while were at it, here’s another awful truth. All of these lives have been permanentl wasted on a country that was better off than it is now under Saddam’s rule.

]]> By: Brent http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/comment-page-7/#comment-3762776 Brent Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:05:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/#comment-3762776 First of all, in politics, money buys support. Sen Lieberman received the highest amount of lobbying money from the pro-Israel lobby (source: opensecrets.org) Other politicians receive money from other interest groups and so buy their support. Sadly, it is the money that buys the loyalty. Most of us have no real clout, so the needs of the middle class ( of which I am a member-I used to be upper middle class, but, like most, have fallen back) such as universal health care, decent wages, etc. never get addressed. The war in Iraq is about profiteering, pure and simple. Corporations, and thus investors, are making a fortune. And they are doing it on the backs of young men and women who are being sent to a battle that was based on misinformation, and, like it or not, is unwinnable. If big business can get the country into perpetual war ("we'll stay until we win"), then the rich will keep getting richer. And in this free trade economy there is no shortage of the goods being traded: blood for oil. Those who support the war should understand that the military mission, deposing Saddam, was won. The military should then have been brought home and diplomacy begun. Civilians who had no clue about strategy brought us to the quagmire we are in. The young men and women soldiers are doing their best to carry out the orders of the Commander-in-Chief; they obey unquestioningly. Too many have died--too many are broken. Those of us who are opposed to this war are really the ones who support the troops. They need to come home, knowing that they have done the best job possible given the ill-conceived mission to which they were assigned. First of all, in politics, money buys support. Sen Lieberman received the highest amount of lobbying money from the pro-Israel lobby (source: opensecrets.org) Other politicians receive money from other interest groups and so buy their support.

Sadly, it is the money that buys the loyalty. Most of us have no real clout, so the needs of the middle class ( of which I am a member-I used to be upper middle class, but, like most, have fallen back) such as universal health care, decent wages, etc. never get addressed.

The war in Iraq is about profiteering, pure and simple. Corporations, and thus investors, are making a fortune. And they are doing it on the backs of young men and women who are being sent to a battle that was based on misinformation, and, like it or not, is unwinnable.

If big business can get the country into perpetual war (”we’ll stay until we win”), then the rich will keep getting richer. And in this free trade economy there is no shortage of the goods being traded: blood for oil.

Those who support the war should understand that the military mission, deposing Saddam, was won. The military should then have been brought home and diplomacy begun.

Civilians who had no clue about strategy brought us to the quagmire we are in.

The young men and women soldiers are doing their best to carry out the orders of the Commander-in-Chief; they obey unquestioningly. Too many have died–too many are broken.

Those of us who are opposed to this war are really the ones who support the troops. They need to come home, knowing that they have done the best job possible given the ill-conceived mission to which they were assigned.

]]> By: erock http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/comment-page-6/#comment-3762706 erock Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:07:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/#comment-3762706 Well VV, I've got to turn in for the night. I have no doubt that you'll post something condescending here before the night is over. No worries though, that only proves how pathetic you are. You're very brave when there's no one around to respond. Until tomorrow... Well VV,

I’ve got to turn in for the night. I have no doubt that you’ll post something condescending here before the night is over. No worries though, that only proves how pathetic you are. You’re very brave when there’s no one around to respond. Until tomorrow…

]]> By: erock http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/comment-page-6/#comment-3762687 erock Sun, 22 Apr 2007 04:35:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/#comment-3762687 Look at the list of topics of their agenda. Highlight each one, Read through it carefully and VERY slowly. In 90% of the topics - the op/ed tilts left. How does a liberal test this theory? When you agree with 90% of their stated investigational goals…..(if I agreed with 90% of their agenda you could safely describe the site as conservative….) See how it works? Comment by valiant venus — April 22, 2007 @ 12:25 am Because I agree with it makes it biased.... ehh..(buzzers going off)...try again. You seriously need a refresher course in logic. They are an impartial international body that monitors violations of human rights throughout the world. The fact that YOU, oh self-righteous one, do not agree with them, does not a bias make. Try again, try a third-party this time or don't waste your energy. Look at the list of topics of their agenda. Highlight each one, Read through it carefully and VERY slowly. In 90% of the topics – the op/ed tilts left. How does a liberal test this theory? When you agree with 90% of their stated investigational goals…..(if I agreed with 90% of their agenda you could safely describe the site as conservative….) See how it works?

Comment by valiant venus — April 22, 2007 @ 12:25 am

Because I agree with it makes it biased…. ehh..(buzzers going off)…try again. You seriously need a refresher course in logic. They are an impartial international body that monitors violations of human rights throughout the world. The fact that YOU, oh self-righteous one, do not agree with them, does not a bias make. Try again, try a third-party this time or don’t waste your energy.

]]> By: valiant venus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/comment-page-6/#comment-3762675 valiant venus Sun, 22 Apr 2007 04:25:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/#comment-3762675 In my opinion, they have a VERY left-leaning agenda. Me citing a conservative or moderate authority to prove the site is left is as stupid as you asking me to. Look at the list of topics of their agenda. Highlight each one, Read through it <strong>carefully </strong>and <strong>VERY slowly</strong>. In 90% of the topics - the op/ed tilts left. How does a liberal test this theory? When you <strong>agree</strong> with 90% of their stated investigational goals.....(if I agreed with 90% of their agenda you could safely describe the site as conservative....) See how it works? In my opinion, they have a VERY left-leaning agenda. Me citing a conservative or moderate authority to prove the site is left is as stupid as you asking me to.

Look at the list of topics of their agenda. Highlight each one, Read through it carefully and VERY slowly. In 90% of the topics – the op/ed tilts left. How does a liberal test this theory? When you agree with 90% of their stated investigational goals…..(if I agreed with 90% of their agenda you could safely describe the site as conservative….) See how it works?

]]> By: erock http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/comment-page-6/#comment-3762576 erock Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:38:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/#comment-3762576 Now, what you should do if you actually want to debunk my point is provide one of the following: 1. Evidence of Arab atrocities against the Israelis (Note: I said atrocities, not warfare or protest) 2. A credible argument that discredits the good people at humanrightswatch.org with citations.* * Just saying that the source is biased does not suffice Now, what you should do if you actually want to debunk my point is provide one of the following:

1. Evidence of Arab atrocities against the Israelis (Note: I said atrocities, not warfare or protest)

2. A credible argument that discredits the good people at humanrightswatch.org with citations.*

* Just saying that the source is biased does not suffice

]]> By: erock http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/comment-page-6/#comment-3762569 erock Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:25:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/#comment-3762569 humanrightswatch is as unbiased as TP or Rush Limbaugh….Nice try! Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 8:42 pm Inasmuch as the SEC is biased against criminals like Ken Lay. humanrightswatch is as unbiased as TP or Rush Limbaugh….Nice try!

Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 8:42 pm

Inasmuch as the SEC is biased against criminals like Ken Lay.

]]> By: valiant venus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/comment-page-6/#comment-3762545 valiant venus Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:42:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/#comment-3762545 humanrightswatch is as unbiased as TP or Rush Limbaugh....Nice try! humanrightswatch is as unbiased as TP or Rush Limbaugh….Nice try!

]]> By: erock http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/comment-page-6/#comment-3762416 erock Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:49:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/#comment-3762416 I should add that Israel's arab neighbors should not be completely absolved of responsibility for the past conflicts. I should add that Israel’s arab neighbors should not be completely absolved of responsibility for the past conflicts.

]]> By: erock http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/comment-page-6/#comment-3762409 erock Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:44:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/#comment-3762409 Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 6:07 pm And your facts are....? Try going to humanrightswatch.org for evidence of Israeli atrocities. Everyone except we Americans are well versed in how bad the Israelis can be. I wouldn't expect an 80 pound commodities trader from Redondo beach to know though. Nice try. Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 6:07 pm

And your facts are….? Try going to humanrightswatch.org for evidence of Israeli atrocities. Everyone except we Americans are well versed in how bad the Israelis can be. I wouldn’t expect an 80 pound commodities trader from Redondo beach to know though. Nice try.

]]> By: valiant venus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/comment-page-6/#comment-3762361 valiant venus Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:07:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/#comment-3762361 Thank you, erock, for answerig the evil VV for me. Just like me, you offer no specific facts (those facts CAN be confusing) - what does she want? Evidence? Love, terrym Thank you, erock, for answerig the evil VV for me. Just like me, you offer no specific facts (those facts CAN be confusing) – what does she want? Evidence?

Love,
terrym

]]> By: erock http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/comment-page-6/#comment-3762333 erock Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:33:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/20/lieberman-reid/#comment-3762333 Have a great weekend! Thanks for playing………… Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 4:45 pm By the way, nice try at getting the last word...does it make you feel big to mock people when no one is listening? Have a great weekend! Thanks for playing…………

Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 4:45 pm

By the way, nice try at getting the last word…does it make you feel big to mock people when no one is listening?

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