Gonzales’ dangerous precedent.
Gonzales’ dangerous precedent.
As ThinkProgress noted earlier today, the only reason Alberto Gonzales gave for firing U.S. Attorney Margaret Chiara was that “we had to send someone out from Main Justice to help mediate some kind of personnel dispute.” Legal Times writes that this is a dangerous precedent, since U.S. Attorneys “should use the Executive Office of U.S. Attorneys to help with management issues in the office.”
“What has the attorney general now done?” asks Thomas Heffelfinger, who was U.S. attorney in Minnesota from 2001 to 2006, and who worked closely with a number of the fired prosecutors. “He’s now told U.S. attorneys that are now there, ‘If you ask for help, you run the risk of getting fired.’ How is that helping the management function of the U.S. attorneys?”
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The more they spin the deeper the hole they dig for themselves and the rest of us. Enough already!
April 21st, 2007 at 6:11 pmHow is that helping the management function of the U.S. attorneys?
It isn’t.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:17 pmIt is amazing to me what extremes some fools will go to justify their actions in a way that, they think, makes them look good. Gone-zo sat there before an astute Government body and tried to justify his actions by not committing himself to any thing but platitudes and lies. A fools action. A man would have said “I fired those bastards because my boss told me to. You have a problem with that call the SOB himself in here and have it out with the dumb bastard. I am going to play golf.” Not one word would have been said as he walked out the door.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:22 pmit’s like jon stewart pointed out on tds… at the hearing, gonzales might as well have been wearing a neon sign reading,
I AM A HORRIBLE MANAGER!
And, yes, I DO take it personally
April 21st, 2007 at 6:26 pmclyde – reminds me of something randi rhodes points out frequently…
gonzo didn’t need to explain any of the firings to anyone…
but he did, and HE LIED ABOUT IT…
he tried to defame the fired prosecutors’ records,
and they could not let that happen… and they are correct…
HE LIED ABOUT IT… because it was the wrong thing to do…
April 21st, 2007 at 6:28 pm…
‘If you ask for help, you run the risk of getting fired.’
Nothing like a little fear, a little job insecurity, to keep those “Loyal Bushies” in line!
April 21st, 2007 at 6:34 pmNow the other USAs are realizing that they are just tools.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:35 pmI think that not only does AG not understand the job description Att. Gen. and the functions of the DOJ, but he, like so many politicians have not learned the lessons of the Nixon era: The crime, or the action taken, is sometimes not as bad as the cover up. It is the lying. The smokescreens and stonewalling. The inability to acknowledge they were wrong. The inability to admit mistakes in judgment due to their having chosen politics over integrity.
AG still believes and acts as Bush’s private attorney – AG is so far out of his realm – if no one knew it before, they sure know it now.
In this case, the firing of attorneys is not a crime; firing them for political reasons is unethical and destroys the fabric of the DOJ. They lied because they were unethical – they chose politics over integrity and openness.
It’s the lying that becomes the reason to prosecute.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:42 pmNew acronyms for Republicans:
fops and the GBGR
see if you like them and vote
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/4/21/153435/185
April 21st, 2007 at 6:46 pmThe hiring of Gonzo was itself a dangerous precedent.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:47 pmThe DOJ is just like any other department of government as far as concerns the neocons. It needs its programs halted , its senior field managers removed and its administration filled with cronies.
Republican leadership is “do as I say, not as I do” or in reality, just don’t do anything.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:48 pmMarie,
Of course they learned the lessons of the Nixon era: Lie, cheat and steal; get pardoned; go on to ruin the country in the Bush 2 era.
The lesson was NO CONSEQUENCES.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:49 pmif I ask for help I might get fired, whereas if I do the wrong thing I may get fired…..
Catch22
April 21st, 2007 at 6:52 pmdakine01, right, they didn’t have to impeach Warren, they just waited him out and replaced him. Replaced him a dozen times over with wing nuts like Scalia . . . . I fear those of us who have been around for awhile won’t live to see another Court like that of Earl Warren’s.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:52 pmOf course they learned the lessons of the Nixon era: Lie, cheat and steal; get pardoned; go on to ruin the country in the Bush 2 era.
The lesson was NO CONSEQUENCES.
Comment by Zooey
And the Raygun era, **cough**Iran Contra**cough**
April 21st, 2007 at 6:52 pmSorry about my last post; was posting on Firedoglake and didn’t realize what was on the clipboard. Ooops!
April 21st, 2007 at 6:55 pmZooey, that is so true…and it was further reinforced during the Reagan presidency. Talk about no consequences…jeez. Somehow, some way, we have to see consequences this time around or it’s over.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:57 pmThe lesson was NO CONSEQUENCES.
Comment by Zooey
Helo Zooey.
It’s the only way the 30% can have a voice, to cheat and lie. Yet the more they cheat and lie the less popular they become =) Today they are 28% and it is dropping.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:58 pmhefelfinger is, of course, exactly right.
that would be the opposite of the way,
say, janet reno or bobby kennedy ran the DoJ.
s h e e s h !
now — relatedly — i would be grateful if every reader
April 21st, 2007 at 7:03 pmhere would be on the look-out for any statement
by republican rep. lamar smith, the ranking minority
member of the house judiciary committee, as to
alberto gonzales’ fitness for his office, dated
after april 19, 2007. i’ve put out a virtual all-
points-bulletin on this (more under the link, above)
as he seems willing to subpoena monica goodling
only if alberto gonzales DID NOT quell his critics
completely on thursday. . . i know what the nation
thinks about that — and, you know what mr. bush thinks. . .
well — we WANT to know what rep. lamar smith thinks, right?
let me know if you’ve seen anything.
i’ll check back here — or, leave a comment
at my shop if you like. . . thanks!
— nolo
#12, zooey
April 21st, 2007 at 7:05 pmPoint taken!
Zooey, Wayne, stonehinge -
April 21st, 2007 at 7:10 pmYou are all correct to point out that the lessons of the Nixon era have never been learned. Here we are 35 years later and nothing is changed.
Comment by Marie — April 21, 2007 @ 7:10 pm; the Nixon lessons were not learned by the Dems, but were learned all to well by the Repugs.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:17 pmI would suspect that Gonzo learned everyting he knows in the womb. He does not seem to remember anything else.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:17 pmIt would not surprise me that his “explanation” is more blown smoke.
How can we even know that this statement is true? That there (a) was a personnel dispute; and, (b) someone was sent there? Why no follow up questions? Dispute between whom? Who did you send up? Did you make the decision to send someone up, or did a staff member?
Why don’t these senators know how to perform cross-examination?
April 21st, 2007 at 7:23 pmthe big lesson from the nixon era – they wanted
more presidential power, the executive priviledge…
it was embarrassing to have the POTUS have to
abide by the same rules and any normal citizen…
they really thought they could take care of that…
April 21st, 2007 at 7:24 pmthey got really close…
and it ain’t over yet…
…
Katy, Marie, Zooey (Alphabetically so I show no favorite)
You ladies are very astute and refined and obviously right. There are consequences! My commendations to you all.
I learned my lesson at an early age. I did a little, mid size, big (select your point of view) No-No and obviously lied about it. My Dear Departed Daddy accepted my story until I finally owned up to my bad. Daddy told me that he would stand up for me outside the family for whatever I did but I just had to remember one thing: “Eventually you have to come home.”
Gone-zo is on his way home and he better hope his Dsddy isn’t there waiting for him!
April 21st, 2007 at 7:24 pmI cannot believe “Gone”zales has not been fired yet or resign. This is sickening.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:26 pmClyde, I always told my boys, “if you do something wrong, I can’t promise you that I won’t be angry or punish you, but I will consider your honesty – but if you do something wrong and you try to lie about it – your punishment and my anger will be more than you can imagine.”
I sure hope Gone-zo is on his way home – and I hope he takes Bush&Co with him. They all need to “visit the woodshed” about now.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:31 pmAnd then we’ll punish them in a public courtroom.
Don’t be buggin’ Gonzo with management issues, he’s busy bein’ our nation’s number one crime fighter.
/sarcasm
April 21st, 2007 at 7:32 pmHere we are 35 years later and nothing is changed.
Comment by Marie
But it has. You think differently today than then =)
April 21st, 2007 at 7:33 pmKay, as long as AG remains in place and is kicked around by everyone, it keeps Karl Rove, Cheney and the boy-king from having to take the heat.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:33 pmSooner or later, though, AG will have to leave; then we will see where the chips fall.
#27 Kay
Gone-zo has not been fired because he did exactly what his boss told him to do. Gone-zo is the pawn serving his king. If King George the Dumb were to fire Gone-zo it would reflect negatively upon the status of the king. Gone-zo has not been fired for the same reason KGtD doesn’t abdictate his throne. KGtD is insane and has NO concept of reality. To put it mildly.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:35 pmthank you, clyde…
i’m almost sure that most of us have a similar story…
another lesson in “parenting” – something the neoCONs missed…
April 21st, 2007 at 7:36 pmKay, as long as AG remains in place and is kicked around by everyone, it keeps Karl Rove, Cheney and the boy-king from having to take the heat.
naw, start low and work the way up =)
April 21st, 2007 at 7:37 pmI don’t understand the downtrodden psyche here. You have helped to correct alot of things. The direction is positive and should remain so.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:40 pmgood words, marie…
April 21st, 2007 at 7:42 pmi’ve used a variation on that theme a time or two…
it seems to have helped… AND i got lucky ;-)
…
Nothing good can come from negative thoughts.
Great things come for positive ones. =)
Be excellent to one another.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:45 pmYou have helped to correct alot of things. The direction is positive and should remain so.
Comment by Zep Tepi — April 21, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
that is a good point… thank you for that…
April 21st, 2007 at 7:46 pmthanks for the reminder…
They say that from the time of the invention of the TV those signals have sinced crossed 10 star systems. As your mind is waves of energy, then how far has those traversed? =)
April 21st, 2007 at 7:47 pmComment by Marie — April 21, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
There may yet be the underlying crime of obstruction of justice in some of the cases.
As damning as some of the released emails are, the White House is still sitting on millions more. (oh, yeah, that’s right, they “lost” them!)
Why ask Gonzales to resign? Someone in the House should introduce IMPEACHMENT charges against him!
April 21st, 2007 at 7:53 pmComment by Zep Tepi — April 21, 2007 @ 7:47 pm And how many thought waves from how many solar systems have crossed ours? Intergalactic reciprocity….
April 21st, 2007 at 7:55 pm#35 Zep Yepi
I will explain my reaction to your post with a little nostalgia. Many years ago I did a post graduate paper on “Metaphor.” I took the stand that metaphor was really just a crutch for people that were too lazy to learn a greater vocabulary. I was terribly upset that, although I got an “A” for the paper. my Professor took exception to my premise. I have since learned that he was more than correct and more than lenient in his grading. Metaphor is beauty, metaphor brings the “thisness” of a “that” to the level of art, metaphor is entertaining and intellectual, metaphor is demonstrative and demanding. My point: G. W. Bush is not a king. That is not a metaphor. Marie’s boy-king and my King George the Dumb are metaphors. However, when using the metaphor to describe our demented chief executive we invoke a little interest and entertainment rather than just calling him the asshole in the White House (another metaphor, by the way).
April 21st, 2007 at 7:56 pmHello all,
I think we should all go down and dance on the grave f*cking Gerald Ford.
Who’d driving? — I’ve got shotgun!
April 21st, 2007 at 7:57 pmThey say that from the time of the invention of the TV those signals have sinced crossed 10 star systems. As your mind is waves of energy, then how far has those traversed? =)
Comment by Zep Tepi
Is that why there are so many repeats?
Hello, Zep. :)
April 21st, 2007 at 7:58 pmWhy ask Gonzales to resign? Someone in the House should introduce IMPEACHMENT charges against him!
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
While AGAG does not recall type answers might keep him off the hook it breaks down the trust of the party and it’s base. Though he may not be impeached, the effects, no matter the wagon circling, the damage is done. =)
April 21st, 2007 at 7:58 pmNothing good can come from negative thoughts.
Great things come for positive ones. =)
Be excellent to one another.
Comment by Zep Tepi — April 21, 2007 @ 7:45 pm
Here’s one. I’m positive they deserve to be punished. And the sooner their punishment begins the more positive we can be that justice has prevailed.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:01 pms that why there are so many repeats?
only if you watch TV..
How are you Zoo?
April 21st, 2007 at 8:01 pmHow did your latest sociology tests go Zooster?
I think we should all go down and dance on the grave f*cking Gerald Ford.
Who’d driving? — I’ve got shotgun!
Comment by Zooey — April 21, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
How about the grave of “I don’t remember Reagan.”
April 21st, 2007 at 8:03 pmIs that why there are so many repeats?
Hello, Zep. :)
Comment by Zooey — April 21, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
Are you yanking his chain, bad girl!
April 21st, 2007 at 8:04 pmonly if you watch TV..
How are you Zoo?
How did your latest sociology tests go Zooster?
Comment by Zep Tepi
I don’t — too many repeats, and stupid crap.
I am fantastic, thanks for asking, Zep. How about you?
April 21st, 2007 at 8:05 pmI believe I aced that frickin’ test, but the results will be in on Tuesday. Wussy prof needs a whole weekend to go over essay questions. Geez….
Are you yanking his chain, bad girl!
Comment by Shane
I never!
:-)
April 21st, 2007 at 8:06 pmZooey — April 21, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
Are you yanking his chain, bad girl!
Comment by Shane
Heh, even if they did it would be to no avail. =)
Glad to hear that you aced (most likely) your tests.
I am great, today has been a fantabulous day and all is well.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:08 pmHere’s one. I’m positive they deserve to be punished. And the sooner their punishment begins the more positive we can be that justice has prevailed.
Comment by Shane
I am as well, but I cannot punish them. =)
April 21st, 2007 at 8:10 pmHow about the grave of “I don’t remember Reagan.â€
Comment by Shane
How do we get there again…? :P
April 21st, 2007 at 8:10 pmSomebody didn’t like my “Metephor” post. Is KKKarl editing for TP today?
April 21st, 2007 at 8:12 pmSpeaking of repeats, if I had awaken from a lengthy coma and heard Gonzales’ testimony, I’d have believed I was still watching a Watergate hearing!
Gonzales has not enhanced the public’s image of lawyers.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:12 pmSpeaking of repeats, if I had awaken from a lengthy coma and heard Gonzales’ testimony, I’d have believed I was still watching a Watergate hearing!
Gonzales has not enhanced the public’s image of lawyers.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
EXACTLY!!!
April 21st, 2007 at 8:13 pmI am great, today has been a fantabulous day and all is well.
Comment by Zep Tepi
I’m glad. That’s always good. :)
It’s almost the end of April, and we just might start getting some warmer temps soon. It’s been a good day. I got a lot accomplished in terms of school work.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:14 pmLesson learned: If you are going to call King George the Dumb a methphorical “a**ho*e in the White House” you gotta ust the TP metaphorical “*” to get by their metaphor filter.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:16 pmHow do we get there again…? :P
Comment by Zooey — April 21, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
I believe it’s opn th epath to HELL.
Really though, letting Ronnie get away with “I don’t remember” seems to have set a terrible precedent for public servants.
The problem with the hearings is that each senator had such a limited time. Some further action needs to be taken against Gitmo Gonzo just so others learn not to try and get away with “I don’t remember.”
April 21st, 2007 at 8:18 pmIt’s almost the end of April, and we just might start getting some warmer temps soon. It’s been a good day. I got a lot accomplished in terms of school work.
Comment by Zooey
Been warm here and already tire of mowing the yard. Glad to hear your studies are going well.Sending you warmer weather! =)
April 21st, 2007 at 8:19 pmLesson learned: If you are going to call King George the Dumb -Clyde
i was discussing the presidency with naybor earlier. we finally agreed (because neither of us wanted the job) that Presidents today are but whores to the people who finance them. Thus only an idiot would,sadly,take the job.
Yeh, it sucks, but that’s what we (after many beers) concluded. =)
April 21st, 2007 at 8:23 pmComment by Clyde the Ripper — April 21, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
Clyde, isn’t it #42? I liked it and was thinking AHWH that’s why i remembered.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:24 pmJanet Reno ordered the incineration of 83 men, women and children in a Christian commune in Waco, TX. Janet Reno defied a mother’s dying attempt to bring her son, Elian Gonzales, to freedom, by sending him to communist Cuba. Janet Reno’s strongarm tactics led to the Oklahoma City bombing.
… and you want to hang the current Attorney General?
April 21st, 2007 at 8:24 pmjust so others learn not to try and get away with “I don’t remember.â€
Comment by Shane
I don’t remember helps the person, but not the party. =)
April 21st, 2007 at 8:26 pmPresidents today are but whores to the people who finance them
Comment by Zep Tepi — April 21, 2007 @ 8:23 pm
Difference is most whores have some integrity.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:26 pm“New acronyms for Republicans:
fops and the GBGR
see if you like them and vote”
I’ll suggest one of my own here. FCC…for Fascist Criminal Cabal, which I’ve used frequently when I’m around!
April 21st, 2007 at 8:27 pmJanet Reno ordered the incineration of 83 men, women and children in a Christian commune in Waco, TX. Janet Reno defied a mother’s dying attempt to bring her son, Elian Gonzales, to freedom, by sending him to communist Cuba. Janet Reno’s strongarm tactics led to the Oklahoma City bombing.
… and you want to hang the current Attorney General?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler —
It was the whacko christians, no doubt waiting for the rapture, that started the fire.
Elian Gonzalez, after his mother’s death was sent back to his father.
Oklahoma City was done by your right wing militia nutjobs. We’ll give Reno the blame for that if Gonzo wants to take responsibility for the shooter at Virginia Tech. It makes the same amount of sense.
And yes, we’d LOVE to hang the current attorney general. Can you get him to us, wingnut.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:31 pm… and you want to hang the current Attorney General?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Yup.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:31 pm… and you want to hang the current Attorney General?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
No we want him fired and jailed for lying andmisleading congress.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:31 pmIt’s you we want to hang. =)
Janet Reno ordered the incineration of 83 men, women and children in a Christian commune in Waco, TX. Janet Reno defied a mother’s dying attempt to bring her son, Elian Gonzales, to freedom, by sending him to communist Cuba. Janet Reno’s strongarm tactics led to the Oklahoma City bombing.
… and you want to hang the current Attorney General?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Koresh was molesting young girls and was a gun seller. Reno’s tactics did not make Mcveigh a wacko, he was one well before then. I am a christian Jason, but blowing up a building, no matter what Reno did was not the cause of such violence.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:32 pmShane,
#42 ain’t mine now!
No big loss. I can wax poetically easier than I can wax the floor. There’s gotta be a metaphor in there somewhere!
April 21st, 2007 at 8:32 pmHendler, is now defending a radical religious cult that murdered their own innocent people as radical terrorists, instead of submitting to federal laws. The hubris, radical extremism, and hate of wingnuts like Hendler are endless. Maybe that’s why so many of them turn into mass murderers, and terrorists. Poor Hendler, get some help. You’re even more disgustingly unhinged than usual. Wacko.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:33 pmThe difference:
Janet Reno recelled her name. Gone-zo is still working on his.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:35 pmi saw it, clyde… i wondered if you found this yet:
Stephen Colbert and Sean Penn square off in a Meta-Free-Phor-All.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/21/stephen-colbert-vs-sean-penn/
April 21st, 2007 at 8:38 pmGonza — world’s worst liar.
We already saw how his lies—— like this one about “we fired her for needing help with a personnel dispute”— sound so ridiculous and lame that no Repub can even try to defend them.
We already saw how bizarre he is by trying to use lies when we have the documents that prove he is lying.
And now it is also plain that he doesn’t mind lying in such a way that his lies further screw up the whole justice department.
Incredibly terrible at lying and completely unfit to manage a snow cone stand.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:39 pmStephen Colbert and Sean Penn square off in a Meta-Free-Phor-All.
Comment by katy
I saw that last night. It was hilarious
April 21st, 2007 at 8:43 pmI am a christian Jason, but blowing up a building, no matter what Reno did was not the cause of such violence. Comment by Zep Tepi — April 21, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
Like most religious terrorist/fanatics, Hendler believes that murder for a *religious* purpose is being *good*. He’s repeatedly said that he believes religious people should “set aside” their values in order to “win”. It’s how wackos like Osama (or McVeigh & Hendler) can claim to be religious, while commit such horrific crimes.
Psychiatrists this week while discussing the VA. issue have repeated that these wackos falsely believe that “Violence=Power=Masculinity”, and tend to become dangerous lunatics based on this false principle. This is in fact that whacked out values that Hendler and Venus have. They share the core characteristic of serial killers and terrorists. While that doesn’t mean they will become a terrorist, or murder, their values are pretty much a pre-requisite. How sad, they’re always the last to know and admit they’re lunatics.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:47 pmre#77 ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
Fortunately, they do not have the courage to act on their madness outside of a keyboard!
We should all be glad that they are spouting their madness in cyberspace instead of real space.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:55 pmre#77 ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
Fortunately, they do not have the courage to act on their madness outside of a keyboard!Comment by criticalthinker — April 21, 2007 @ 8:55 pm
The kids of Columbine whined, and hated on the internet for months before they blew their gaskets and went “Waco”.
We should all be glad that they are spouting their madness in cyberspace instead of real space. Comment by criticalthinker — April 21, 2007 @ 8:55 pm
I agree. While their attitudes can mean they’re going to go Waco, lots of people remain relatively harmless and hateful only in cyberspace. I’m glad they have an outlet to rant here. Maybe if they here often enough exactly how insane they are, maybe some of them will catch a clue and go in for a “checkup”.
April 21st, 2007 at 9:03 pm#74 Katy
I used to didn’t like Sean Penn but now I love you both. Zooey, that’s a metaphor, you are still my main man (methphorically speaking!).
April 21st, 2007 at 9:07 pmWith the exploding scandals at the Justice Department and the World Bank enveloping his administration, President Bush voiced “full confidence” in Alberto Gonzales and Paul Wolfowitz this week. But as history has shown, there is no more certain confirmation of the criminality, ethical-wrong doing or imminent departure of a Bush team player than the President’s expression of confidence in him.
For the details, see:
April 21st, 2007 at 9:25 pm“President Bush, Confidence Man.”
Zooey, that’s a metaphor, you are still my main man (methphorically speaking!).
Comment by Clyde the Ripper
**sniff**
April 21st, 2007 at 9:26 pmso flattered, clyde…
April 21st, 2007 at 9:33 pmand understand completely the allegiance to zooey…
you’re a smart guy…
so flattered, clyde…
and understand completely the allegiance to zooey…
you’re a smart guy…
Comment by katy
I can share…….I guess…. :P
April 21st, 2007 at 9:46 pmFor ALL you TREASONOUS right wing Bush worshipping inbreds…
…who nostalgically long for the Clinton White House…
…as manifest in your mantra for EVERYTHING foul your criminal gods…
…Bushiva, L’il Dick et al. are guilty of…
…i.e., “Clinton did it too!”, “Janet Reno did so and so”, “bbbut Madeline Albright”…
…I say this…
…ONCE AGAIN you right wing TRAITOROUS scum have let your country down…
…you failed to protect us from Janet Reno by choosing to remain silent and NOT IMPEACH her…
…you FAILED to protect us against Madeline Albright’s incompetence because you chose not to call for HER resignation…
…and for ALL the terrible TREASONOUS crimes you NOW find Bill Clinton guilty of…
…you chose to IMPEACH him for something as asinine as “lying” about a personal indiscretion…
…But WE Liberal Progressives won’t make that same mistake YOU LOSERS made…
…we’re going after Bushiva, L’il Dick et al. for BIG CRIMES…
…like TREASON, CORRUPTION, INCOMPETENCE, WAR PROFITEERING, WAR CRIMES, CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY, CRIMINAL MALFEASANCE/NEGLIGENCE, and DERELICTION of DUTY…
…just to name a few…
…If YOU conned’self-serving retards loved your country…
…you’d be supporting us, instead of thwarting our efforts…
…but you hate Liberal Progressives and democracy…
…MORE than you hate the crimes perpetrated by your gods listed above…
…what a disgusting bunch of idiot inbred TRAITORS you Bushite conned’self-serving idol worshippers are…
…not to worry though, we liberal progressives will save the day, just step aside…
April 21st, 2007 at 9:57 pmWell said, big papa. We will save the damned day. Hell, yeah!
TP: More thread!!
April 21st, 2007 at 10:01 pmComment by Clyde the Ripper — April 21, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
Clyde, you are a hopeless romantic.
April 21st, 2007 at 10:06 pmComment by big papa — April 21, 2007 @ 9:57 pm
See, no bold required.
April 21st, 2007 at 10:08 pmThanks to Tennessee Ernie Ford and big papa:
For King George the Dumb,
“When you see us coming, better step aside,
Better men than you didn’t, better men than you died.”
Those “Sixteen Tons” are on your back now!
April 21st, 2007 at 10:11 pmShane,
I am a long way from romantic, to everybody but Zooey and Katy, but I hope I am not hopeless. But if I hope I am not hopeless then I cant be hopeless because I hope I am not hopeless therefore you, Sir, are at least half wrong, but given that Katy and Zooey still love me then I have the majority and I am a hopefull romantic. QED
April 21st, 2007 at 10:16 pmI am a long way from romantic, to everybody but Zooey and Katy, but I hope I am not hopeless. But if I hope I am not hopeless then I cant be hopeless because I hope I am not hopeless therefore you, Sir, are at least half wrong, but given that Katy and Zooey still love me then I have the majority and I am a hopefull romantic. QED
Comment by Clyde the Ripper
Clyde,
All that might make sense if I was down about one glass of wine. Oy…
April 21st, 2007 at 10:19 pmI can share…….I guess…. :P
Comment by Zooey — April 21, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
and that’s just the kind of girl you are :-)
slow night at the tp… just back from my dog walk…
April 21st, 2007 at 10:23 pmtime to sit back an relax… SNL on soon…
this is probably g’nite…
katy,
SNL is still on? Wow.
April 21st, 2007 at 10:26 pmWhen does Monty Python come on?
April 21st, 2007 at 10:31 pmLet’s don’t beat around the BUSH here.
Dangerous PRECEDENT?
Yes!
Not only that but our country has a DANGEROUS P-R-E-S-I-D-E-N-T.
Everything spells DANGER with this administration.
Remember Rodney DANGERfield’s famous one-line:
“I don’t get no respect.”
Sorry Bushies! Sorry Bushies! Sorry Bushies!
Bushies don’t get no respect. Gee, I wonder why? I can’t figure one that out. That’s a toughie! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
Alberto, we’ve heard you say once, or twice, three times, four times, five times, or 75 times, “I CAN’T RECALL.” It’s all lies.
Alberto, why don’t you say to a reporter: “I DON’T GET NO RESPECT.” If you said that, we would finally believe you. That WOULD be the truth.
Please tell the truth at least once. Hearing, “I DON’T GET NO RESPECT” would be so refreshing. So refreshingly honest!!
John
April 21st, 2007 at 10:31 pmComment by Shane #88
…don’t remind me…
…it would’ve been so much more…
…EMPHATIC! :-%#@tp
April 21st, 2007 at 10:31 pmWhen does Monty Python come on?
Comment by (silly) Raven
As soon as I pop in a DVD!
Who called you silly? :D
April 21st, 2007 at 10:36 pm…EMPHATIC! :-%#@tp
Comment by big papa
It’s not fair. I can use bold, and I just take it for granted.
TP is messed up.
April 21st, 2007 at 10:37 pmI guess I was just being overprotective (blush)…:)
April 21st, 2007 at 10:40 pmHappy Earth Day everyone!
April 21st, 2007 at 10:43 pmI associate Tennessee Ernie Ford with two things:
1. The song’ Sixteen Tons.’
2. The saying, “She’s got quite a hitch in her get-a-long.”
I guess it’s time to play ‘Until the Next Teardrop Falls’ by Freddie Fender. Well, maybe Britney is first.
I think Alberto Gonzales should play ‘Until the Next Teardrop Falls.’
John
April 21st, 2007 at 10:57 pmHello!
…any inbred Bushites wanna play?
…awww shucks!
…just when I was startin’ t’ get my groove on…
April 21st, 2007 at 11:21 pm#101 John
Maybe he should play “Does the denial lose its perjury on the bedpost overnight?’ “Or I got tears in my ears from listening to DUHbya cry all night.”
April 21st, 2007 at 11:22 pm…awww shucks!
…just when I was startin’ t’ get my groove on…
Comment by big papa
Maybe tomorrow after church they’ll be all charged up with hate and self-righteousness. :}
April 21st, 2007 at 11:26 pmComment by Zooey #104
…yeah but I’ll be less combative…
…sunny days and Sundays always…
…bring me down…
…in a mellow sorta way mind you…
…Hey Zooey,
…maybe you could start a petition to the T’hought P’olice…
…to restore my BOLD’ing powers…
…I’m feelin’ a bit “nekkid” :-P
…withou ‘em…
hahahahahaha!!!!
April 21st, 2007 at 11:31 pm…Hey Zooey,
…maybe you could start a petition to the T’hought P’olice…
…to restore my BOLD’ing powers…
…I’m feelin’ a bit “nekkid†:-P
…withou ‘em…
hahahahahaha!!!!
Comment by big papa
No way, big papa. I like you nekkid. Heh.
April 21st, 2007 at 11:35 pmI like you nekkid. Heh.
Comment by Zooey #106
DAMN!
…everybody’s a critic… :-)
hehehehe!!!
April 21st, 2007 at 11:40 pmbig papa:
Just type the following at the beginning of your post:
<b>
That should fix up your mojo…
April 21st, 2007 at 11:43 pmDAMN!
…everybody’s a critic… :-)
hehehehe!!!
Comment by big papa
Heh. Sorry, big papa.
If you had my vision, you’d understand. :D
April 21st, 2007 at 11:43 pmThat should fix up your mojo…
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
He’s got enough mojo, TMM.
Big papa’s bold. :P
April 21st, 2007 at 11:44 pmIf you guys are ever planning on doing an article about campaign finance reform, here’s something to link to. I worked on this post for nearly a week and I think the time I’d spent on it shows.
April 21st, 2007 at 11:45 pmGood evening all, just quickly checking in..I had a diamond day and I hope you all did as well..Spent my day planting trees, flowers and herb’s…Wahoo…
Also viseted with lot’s of young service and retired vet’s in between running the fat Bear…..Tonight was an eye opener and filled my heart with both sorrow and gratitude….A young service men came here to fish late last fall on a dreary day, I gave him some advice on how to fish our lake and viseted, we became friend’s, he had been injured seriously, mentely and physicly on his 2nd tour in Iraq…I told him I had a free pass policy for all vet’s and servicemen to use our resort and from then on he was here often…Today I learned from him in front of a ton of people on the dock it was a life saver for him to be able to recoup mentely while his body was healing as well to be able to come to our resort and fish, watch the eagles and relax…He has been so poor with the waiting for benefit’s he would not of been able to afford our little fee..He was telling some of the other’s while I was helping an 8 year old fix his poll set up how much bush war was distroying Iraq, men women and children dieing and he and all his friend’s that were injured were treated like crap…Then he said, I found Sharon…Dead silence on the dock and I had to give him a hug and tell him I was glad he was home and together we said ” I wish they all were”…This kind gentle service man is healing, wish and hope they all are…..Love someone, tell them you love them..Miss some one like our own poster Rucerious tell them…I miss you RU…..If you want to do something for the world and Peace, help me and other’s boot these basterd’s out of office….If you know a vet or service person spend some quality time with them, take them fishing or out to lunch, you don’t have to talk, just listen and be there…Blessings all….Have a diamond day again tomorrow..I will.
April 21st, 2007 at 11:49 pmBig papa’s bold. :P
Comment by Zooey #110
Thanks Zooey…
…I think…
April 21st, 2007 at 11:53 pmDamn, TP ate my post….Oh well, will repost it tomorrow…Blessings
April 21st, 2007 at 11:59 pm#112 – Sharon
Thanks, Great Lady. You do great things.
We miss you, RUCerious. I hope you’re recovering a little more each day.
I love you, Sharon.
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:08 amBack at ya Lady Z…No, I don’t do great thing’s I do little meaningful thing’s for great people….Like my young friend, I just love with no string’s no demand’s and lot’s of caring…If it were possible I would love them all and then I would do what I did today and say I am so sorry you had to go through what you did….
I have to go to Billing’s around the end of may through the 7th of June…My dearest friend in the world is having major surgery then…Won’t fly so will be going by bus, haven’t been on a bus since 1958 it should be an experience…LOL..Will keep you posted and then poof I will be gone for awhile…Sorry for all the off topic folk’s….Night….Blessings and Peace
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:23 amEverybody must keep up pressure on the Congress to force Gonzales to resign as Attorney General of the United States.
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:24 am# Happy Earth Day everyone!
Comment by Raven — April 21, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
Happy Earth Day to you Raven!
Kind of ironic that today of all days, in Berkeley CA of all places, there were so many people going to the Earth Day party that it caused… gridlock!
Only in Beserkley.
I work there, live in Oakland…
Hello all you fabulous people. Am very very busy so not a lot of time to post until the end of the month, but will be reading avidly!
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:56 amHey Jay -did you sign the petition for Wolfowitz? And does anyone know if there is a petition to dump Gonzo?
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:57 amSharon, have a safe trip, and I hope your friend is OK!
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:58 amClyde,
My song expertise is beginning to run on the thin side now.
I can’t think of many songs that fit the bill. I haven’t listened to pop music for a good 17 years. Of course, when I was young I listened to pop and rock music but that’s many years ago. Now, I’m a New Age guy. Songs with titles like: ‘Overflowing majestic space music’ aren’t filled with many powerful lyrics.
John
April 22nd, 2007 at 1:34 amStill all upset about Gonzales? He passed the hearing and will remain Attorney General serving at the pleasure of the president. Just get used to the idea. Your precious House doesn’t have the authority to dictate who’s AG and who’s not.
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April 22nd, 2007 at 5:38 ammatthews.frank@gmail.com
121 – but the House does have the authority to IMPEACH.
Now, how would that look, your precious Attorney General, your numero uno crime fighter, IMPEACHED for High Crimes and Misdemeanors?
To me, it would be a refreshing rain after a long drought.
(take that, metaphoroff!)
April 22nd, 2007 at 9:01 amgridlock!
Only in Beserkley.
I work there, live in Oakland…
Comment by SKdeA — April 22, 2007 @ 12:56 am
hey! i knew you were in that area… so is my son, a grad student at
berkeley… he and his girlfriend just moved from oakland to berkeley after the second armed mugging… when i visited him, the neighborhood seemed so cozy and safe… he was not phased so much, but when it happened to the girl, that was the last straw…
i’ll be flying out there next month to attend his graduation…
they are moving to pasadena area in june – more post-doc work…
btw – his dad is a jazz/rock/brass trumpeter here in illinois…
April 22nd, 2007 at 11:42 ami forwarded your website to him a while back…
…
http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/07/17/you-are-here/
5th comment down.. Hendler is a nutjob.. he thinks gravity makes stuff fall upward..his world is figuratively and literally upside down… apparently politics isnt the only subject in which he spouts his crackpot theories…
April 22nd, 2007 at 11:51 amGood luck with that impeachment too, Briseadh na Faire.
April 22nd, 2007 at 3:35 pm