Washington Times Smears ‘War Czar’ Candidate Gen. Sheehan For Taking On Cheney
Washington Times Smears ‘War Czar’ Candidate Gen. Sheehan For Taking On Cheney
The White House recently considered Gen. Jack Sheehan to fill the post of ‘war czar.’ Sheehan refused the position, explaining that the “residue” of war hawks like Dick Cheney is preventing “pragmatists” from producing the policy change that is needed. Sheehan wrote a Washington Post op-ed explaining his position:
We cannot “shorthand” this issue with concepts such as the “democratization of the region” or the constant refrain by a small but powerful group that we are going to “win,” even as “victory” is not defined or is frequently redefined. … These huge shortcomings are not going to be resolved by the assignment of an additional individual to the White House staff. They need to be addressed before an implementation manager is brought on board.
For taking on Cheney, the right-wing Washington Times published a smear screed against Sheehan on Friday. The Times’ military reporter Bill Gertz — who frequently propagates information that comes from Cheney’s office — wrote that Sheehan is a “liberal military officer” and a “defeatist” opposing the Iraq war.
Gertz goes on to claim there have been many “shortcomings” in Sheehan’s career. Engaging in guilt-by-association tactics, the Times tries to link Sheehan to convicted spy Ana Belen Montes. He also writes that Sheehan walked out of a speech by neoconservative James Woolsey on Wahhabist terrorism.
Sheehan pushed back on what he called “character defamation,” noting the White House would not have considered him if his reputation were so tarnished:
Gen. Sheehan, in an e-mail, dismissed both claims about his candidacy for the czar post and past ties to Montes as “incorrect.”
Before being asked by the White House, “I am sure they checked my credentials and the record indicated I was an American who had served both Republicans and Democrats,” Gen. Sheehan said. “Deal with the issue at hand on an objective basis, not character defamation.”
The Washington Times’ selection smear job against Sheehan conveniently omits the fact that a key administration ally and escalation proponent, Gen. Jack Keane, also turned down the post.
Is it possible that Dick Cheney — who has a history of smearing people who speak out against him — was peddling information to the Washington Times as vindictive payback against Sheehan?
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Typical Cheneyesque scumbaggery. What does it say that Cheney/Bush were considering some who they claim is a nitwit for the most important job of War Czar?
-GSD
April 21st, 2007 at 5:24 pmIs it possible that Dick Cheney — who has a history of smearing people who speak out against him — was peddling information to the Washington Times as vindictive payback against Sheehan?
you are kidding right ? Is there any doubt that the smear came from darth Cheney or one of his minions ?
April 21st, 2007 at 5:24 pmCheney peddling info to the Moonie Times to smear Gen Sheehan?
April 21st, 2007 at 5:25 pmSay it ain’t so!
you know, i heard that Dick Cheney…peddling information to the Washington Times as vindictive payback against Sheehan was entirely possible… some even say…
April 21st, 2007 at 5:28 pmit comes as no surprise…
Sounds like the same kind of ideological litmus-test that was applied to all of the US attorneys too.
-GSD
April 21st, 2007 at 5:30 pmNext step: Rush will re-peddle these smears and start calling him John “Cindy” Sheehan. So predictable.
April 21st, 2007 at 5:31 pmThe most desirable club to be a member of in the USA: The Cheney/Rove/O’Reilly/Limbaugh Smear Campaign Membership.
April 21st, 2007 at 5:40 pmIf Sheehan’s wife worked for the CIA . . . What’s Bob Novak have to say?
April 21st, 2007 at 5:43 pmShame his wife wasn’t a smoking hot liberal spy. Thatd be alot more sensational.
April 21st, 2007 at 5:47 pmPretty soon they’ll imply that Sheehan is married to Cindy and she’s been a spy the whole time. Then they’ll deny it but it will still have been on Fox and all the right wing blogs.
April 21st, 2007 at 5:49 pmDick Cheney = Vindictive A$$hole.
There are babies running this country.
If a parent on a playground saw this behaviour they would be given a time-out.
April 21st, 2007 at 5:53 pmWhere is my collective? Jake, 1 of 10. VV 1.5 of 10 and the rest of you; where are you. I demand that you appear and write something stupid.
April 21st, 2007 at 5:53 pmComment by Shane — April 21, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
April 21st, 2007 at 5:56 pm—————
And the wingnuts will take it as the Gospel truth for the next 40+ years.
Sorry, Borg Queen,
Isn’t it we demand?
No offense, great Queen.
–Trekkie Dork–
:}
April 21st, 2007 at 6:00 pmFaiz - With TP’s history of “smearing” Republicans and conservatives, while ignoring the ethical and political lapses of liberals and Dems does not underscore the moral authority of progressives.
I have NO problem holding ROTTEN corrupt Repubs accountable for their actions and serving prison time. When Progressives decide to put country ahead of their allegiance to the Democrat Party, they will run a story on Dianne Feinsteins’ questionable financial dealings. Investigate Feinstein/Blum.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:00 pmIt’s fascinating watching the criminal Bush administration continue down its path of self-destruction. Unfortunately, it seems like self-destruction is the only way they’ll lose their power. I don’t know whether I should enjoy watching the self-inflicted undoing of this adminstration or to weep for all of the damage they’ve done to my country.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:01 pmGen. Sheehan….Cindy Sheehan…..hmmmm……..I’m seeing a pattern here….
April 21st, 2007 at 6:01 pmWhen Progressives decide to put country ahead of their allegiance to the Democrat Party, they will run a story on Dianne Feinsteins’ questionable financial dealings. Investigate Feinstein/Blum.
Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
I have no doubt that you have posted similar things at RedState, Lucianne, FreeRepublic, etc. Pot, meet kettle.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:04 pmGen. Sheehan….Cindy Sheehan…..hmmmm……..I’m seeing a pattern here…. Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
The pattern of st*pid c*nts like you, smearing people because you have such miserable, self loathing existences?
You know all of the psychologists discussing the massacre in Va. were warning people to watch for young people that were conflating Violence=Power=Masculinity, as they are the ones that are likely to go postal. I’d say you’re in the crosshairs of that, Mizz Cheney. You know Mary, laments about her own lack of “masculine” traits, sad. Another self loathing young confused, st*pid republican c*nt… You have our pity, little wacko.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:07 pmComment by The Borg Queen — April 21, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
Comment by trueblue — April 21, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
“Ask and ye shall receive”.
You asked,and fed.
Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
April 21st, 2007 at 6:07 pmAh, yes we demand. VV’s lack of substance is affecting us all. I released a new member today, Frank. Has he lived up to the collective republican mind?
April 21st, 2007 at 6:08 pmlink to convicted spy….dick cheney….larry franklin….i see a pattern as well
April 21st, 2007 at 6:08 pmFaiz - With TP’s history of “smearing†Republicans and conservatives, while ignoring the ethical and political lapses of liberals and Dems does not underscore the moral authority of progressives. Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
More self criticism, hypocrisy and projection, from the goddess b*tch of smears… How predictable.
I have NO problem holding ROTTEN corrupt Repubs accountable for their actions and serving prison time. Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
Yet you never attack them, you only attack the *progressives* that point them out - so this is a lie, as usual.
When Progressives decide to put country ahead of their allegiance to the Democrat Party, they will run a story on Dianne Feinsteins’ questionable financial dealings. Investigate Feinstein/Blum.
Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
Sigh, more projection. No mention of Halliburton, the Bush family’s raiding of “Leave No Child Behind”, etc., etc.,…
What’s questionable, is your sanity, little Mizz Anorexia…
April 21st, 2007 at 6:09 pmErock - May I take the time to congratulate you on your apropos moniker? That said, if you knew as much as YOU thnk YOU know - you would be a genius. Sadly, you don’t know squat about what I post and where I post it.
When my former Congresscrook, Randy “Duke” Cunningham, I was thrilled that he was getting what he deserved! I was also horribly disappointed that a once heroic figure had disgraced the Congress and our community. I’m only sorry he didn’t get more time - and his wife’s phony “I didn’t have a clue” story doesn’t wash either.
Please try again!
April 21st, 2007 at 6:12 pm‘Whatever way you read it, the writing is on the wall for the U.S. occupation of Iraq. Hollow claims by U.S. President George W. Bush that “victory” is still possible are met by homicidal calls from al-Qaida for Sunni Muslims in Iraq to take up arms. The deadlock won’t be broken until U.S. forces get out.’
http://www.christiansofiraq.com/Iraqnowheremar257.html
But to stay on topic - smearing is what they do. Nothing new there. Although I betcha Gen. Jack Sheehan may be somewhat taken aback.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:15 pmHas he lived up to the collective republican mind?
Comment by The Borg Queen
Sorry, Borg Queen.
Just got back home.
Will have to analyze later.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:16 pmDouble vv,
Dont forget that your party, the Conserv666ative party, is supposed to be above reproach. The Republic666ans have whored themselves as being uniquely for ethics going back Newt and before. You of the contract for America, the moral majority, the compassionate Conserv666atives and their non-funding of supposed Christian church based initiatives, etc., etc.
Contract on America is more like it.
Don’t point the finger at us you f’n creep.
You people are a curse on our society.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:17 pmEver notice that the “people/weasel” who squeal “projection” NEVER have an argument???
April 21st, 2007 at 6:18 pmComment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
What are you talking about? That didn’t make any sense. You didn’t refute anything or even address my point. Why are you even posting here if all you are going to do is complain about the site? If you don’t like the stories being posted, go somewhere else. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy in attacking ThinkProgress when the fact that anti-polar sites such as the ones I listed are equally, if not more, loyal to the Republican agenda. By the way, wasn’t your party the one that went out of its way to conceal the harassment of young boys to preserve ONE seat in Congress? Country before party my a**.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:18 pmoh no… sorry, off topic… but, oh no…
Rev. Phelps To Picket VTech Funerals
http://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2007/ 04/ 21/ rev-phelps-to-picket-vtech-funerals/
…
April 21st, 2007 at 6:19 pmThanks VV/MA,now we’re stuck with the c*nt mouthed,snot nosed,touretes syndrome boy to scroll past.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:19 pmtoodles!
April 21st, 2007 at 6:20 pmComment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
Further, I don’t think anyone is against prosecuting corrupt politicians on either side of the aisle. To feel anything but disgust towards the actions of Rep Cunningham would be inhuman.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:21 pmerock,
Exactly!
(in the best redneck drawl possible) Hell son if you don’t like this country.. err website, well you can just get the hell out..huyk hyuk.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:22 pmWhat are you talking about? That didn’t make any sense.
Comment by erock — April 21, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
That is why she is a disgrace to the collective. We demand that they write stupidity, but stupidity humans may follow. She must be disassembled.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:22 pmHere’s a hypothetical question for you Ms. Venus. In your opinion does osama bin laden want us to set a timetable for withdrawal in Iraq, or does he want us to stay until we achieve Victory???
April 21st, 2007 at 6:23 pm(in the best redneck drawl possible) Hell son if you don’t like this country.. err website, well you can just get the hell out..huyk hyuk.
Comment by Rocks911 — April 21, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
Just turning the typical backward Republican rhetoric back on them.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:25 pmvalient venus, is this you?
http://profile.myspace.com/ index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=79943506
April 21st, 2007 at 6:26 pmShortcomings in SHEEHAN’S career?
With an AWOL coward coxucker PUNK and a 5-deferment draft dodger at the helm???
Oh, and the “surge” is about to be EXPANDED!!!
More LIES and DECEIT by these CRIMINALS…
See you in hell, my Nazi followers (cause I’LL be THERE),
April 21st, 2007 at 6:27 pmMr. Bush
MURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR TO THE USA (TM)
I know some have joked about it, but let’s hope Gen. Sheehan does not have any relatives/friends/acquaintences employed by the CIA or other covert organizations within our government. Their lives, and the lives of their contacts could be on the line.
Does anybody know how many people died when Brewster Jennings was outed as a covert operation?
April 21st, 2007 at 6:29 pmOh, and VV,
Anticipating your next post, I am fully in favor of prosecuting corrupt Democrats such as Rep Jefferson to the fullest extent of the law.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:30 pmBEST LAUGH OF THE DAY:
April 21st, 2007 at 6:30 pmWhen my former Congresscrook, Randy “Duke†Cunningham, I was thrilled — Valient Venus aka Mighty Aphrodite
Oh, really, thats why you posted defending the Dukester before?
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/05/cunningscam-more/
There is more of it in other old Cunningham threads
Hypocrite.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:31 pmBriseadh na Faire, yes that is she, my 1.25 of 10. Pinky and the Brain want her disassembled.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:31 pmmight aphrodite is not for convicting corrupt republicans. SHe is a lying sack of crap.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:33 pm41, if that is her, she needs help.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:38 pmEver notice that the “people/weasel†who squeal “projection†NEVER have an argument??? Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
Ever notice people that squeal and project, never have an argument? Of course you don’t, otherwise you wouldn’t project so much, and *whine* about criticism of your hypocrisy. Poor little st*pid c*nt, how funny you are.. Pathetic, whiny, and st*pid, but definitely funny!
April 21st, 2007 at 6:58 pm” vindictive payback ”
That’s what they do best. It is their modus operandi.
Regardless of the incongruency in defaming the man who was asked to fill the position by their administration, smearing is stock in trade.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:59 pmWhen my former Congresscrook, Randy “Duke†Cunningham, I was thrilled that he was getting what he deserved! Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
That’s b*llsh*t. You whined incessantly about witch hunts, and how Cunningham was innocent, and how Progressives were the real crooks - just like you’ve done today. Lying, hypocrite, piece of sh*t.
I was also horribly disappointed that a once heroic figure had disgraced the Congress and our community. Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
Maybe that’s why you attacked us, when he was being investigated, and denied he was guilty up until the point he admitted it?
I’m only sorry he didn’t get more time - and his wife’s phony “I didn’t have a clue†story doesn’t wash either. Please try again! Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
Oh please, you’re just sorry he got caught. Lying, piece of sh*t.
You’re a really sh*tty liar Aphrodite, maybe that’s why your posts always ring so hollow and st*pid.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:12 pmProbably related to Cindy Sheehan.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:24 pmIf there is a god and any justice in the world, chaney must someday pay for all his ugly and evil acts…he must and he will…and i hope it is soon…
April 21st, 2007 at 7:30 pmThanks VV/MA,now we’re stuck with the c*nt mouthed,snot nosed,touretes syndrome boy to scroll past. Comment by Jesu’ — April 21, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
Ah, the stinky stench of GOP hypocrisy… Very ironic of you to use a *Tourette* projection, in your own post… Much like the “whining” and “victimhood” of Aphrodite/Venus…
April 21st, 2007 at 7:31 pmTypical Fascism from the cowards in the Rethuglican Party made up of cowards who have never served a day in uniform or battle. Dick Cheney is a coward of the worst kind…unworthy of any press and should be punished for the crimes he has fostered. Cheney and Dubya are the worst thing to ever happen to this great nation.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:32 pm“The Times’ military reporter Bill Gertz — who frequently propagates information that comes from Cheney’s office — wrote that Sheehan is a “liberal military officer†and a “defeatist†opposing the Iraq war.”
That’s very interesting. He was all those things and yet Mr. Bush thought enough of him to ask him to take the job as War Czar. How does the Washington Times explain that?
April 21st, 2007 at 7:33 pm“Is it possible that Dick Cheney — who has a history of smearing people who speak out against him — was peddling information to the Washington Times as vindictive payback against Sheehan?”
Aw…gee….they wouldn’t do anything like that…would they? The Washington Times? The newspaper with a stellar reputation? Most people in Washington wouldn’t be caught dead wrapping their fish in that rag.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:35 pm“When Progressives decide to put country ahead of their allegiance to the Democrat Party,”… Now that is hilarious. Talk about projection.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:38 pmIs this some kind of record??
> 5:31 #6 Next step: Rush will re-peddle these smears and
> start calling him John “Cindy†Sheehan. So predictable.
> Comment by Arbustos Loyales
> 6:01 #17 Gen. Sheehan….Cindy Sheehan…..hmmmm…….
> .I’m seeing a pattern here….
> Comment by valiant venus
Oh and a “liberal military officer” and moreover a “defeatist”??
VOLKSGERICHTSHOF! UND ZWAR SCHNELL!!
April 21st, 2007 at 7:43 pmWe are all confident the dickhead would do anything for anything at any time.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:49 pmSounds to me like the stunt double commander in chief potential nominee knows better how to do the actual commander in chiefs job than he does.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:50 pmIs it possible that Dick Cheney — who has a history of smearing people who speak out against him — was peddling information to the Washington Times as vindictive payback against Sheehan?
Nonsense. Vice President Halliburton has in the past stepped up to the plate and like a real man addressed his critics from behind his mouthpieces Lee Ann McBride and Mrs. Cheney.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:54 pmDid Bill Gertz use an oxymoron by saying he is a military officer and he is a defeatist? Or is Gertz just a moron.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:55 pmVOLKSGERICHTSHOF! UND ZWAR SCHNELL!!
Comment by El Tonno — April 21, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
It’s not fair to make fun of VV like that. She has a limited number of thoughts that she can express per each topic. Just because you happened to mock her one thought on General Sheehan before she could regurgitate it onto the thread doesn’t make her any less of a person. If there’s any justice in the world, she will come back here and taunt all of you with baseless ad hominem attacks.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:59 pm“I HAVE NO RECOLLECTION of Gen. Sheehan being considered for the WAR CZAR post. ” Mwah ha ha ha ha!!
April 21st, 2007 at 8:11 pmGertz is long time Moon follower who didn’t go to college. Instead he was just groomed by Moon for this kind of thing. Gertz is known for his “sources” which are obviously part of Moon’s intel network. During sermons when Moon’s preacher’s brag about their “media power” they also say things like “thank God for Bill Gertz.” Then they add that Gertz knows his successes aren’t just his doing but the thanks goes to “True Parents.”
This has nothing to do with freedom of religion; it is example of how the Moon followers know exactly how they use “Father’s projects” to manipulate our political system.
Quoting Sun Myung Moon Founder’s Address, Fifteenth International Conference on the Unity of the Sciences, Nov. 28, 1986
April 21st, 2007 at 8:33 pmOne of the most commendable things that General Sheehan has done was to walk out of a speech that was given by James Woolsey, one of the leading neoconservatives and advocates of militarism that there is in this country. Like Richard Perle and others, Woolsey has very seldom refrained from advocating that the United States bomb and invade countries in order to advance the imperialist agenda of the United States.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:35 pmBriseadh na Faire, yes that is she, my 1.25 of 10. Pinky and the Brain want her disassembled.
Comment by The Borg Queen — April 21, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
Couldn’t you order an “Off with her head!” dear Queen. Wait, I think her brains are in her ass so maybe a different approach would be better.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:44 pm41, if that is her, she needs help.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — April 21, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
Notice where she mentions that she scored high on an IQ test. Humility is just one of the good qualities she doesn’t possess.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:48 pm#30 - “Thanks VV/MA,now we’re stuck with the c*nt mouthed,snot nosed,touretes syndrome boy to scroll past.”
Comment by Jesu’
I’m sorry, Jesus. Think of scrolling past VVGFU as the penance of the world….
April 21st, 2007 at 8:48 pmIn one sense, the Bush Administration is right. Our occupation of Iraq is preventing another Attack by Al Qaeda on America. Why would Bin Laden want to further provoke us, when we are so successfully shooting ourselves in the foot, and bankrupting our country???
April 21st, 2007 at 8:52 pmIraq is a trap and a quagmire, and I can’t believe the terrorists aren’t happy with the way things are going over there,
I’m sorry, Jesus. Think of scrolling past VVGFU as the penance of the world…. Comment by valiant venus — April 21, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
Just like most people scroll past your b*llsh*t as the price for mental health care not being part of the current medical practices of this country.
You can rely on the *religious* superstitions all you want, we’ll rely on science, and medicine that says you’re one bad day from a gun spree. Waco.
April 21st, 2007 at 9:05 pmThese generals should be working to wrest control of the military away from the criminal Bushites…
…and arresting them for TREASON…
…from what truthout.org is reporting on the disgraceful treatment brain injured and PTSD infirmed soldiers are receiving…
…added with the expose on Walter Reed and the extensions for the surge…
…Bushiva and L’il Dick aren’t the rank and file military personnels’ favorite people…
…Cheney and Bush are top caliber cowards who are putting these soldiers and their families through…
…what THEY and THEIR families aren’t willing to endure…
…The TRAITORS Bushiva and L’il Dick Cheney’s smears of military heroes continues unchallenged…
…and right wing DUHmeriKKKans claim they support the troops?
heh…funny…
April 21st, 2007 at 9:08 pmIf General Sheehan has even a fraction of the courage of Cindy Sheehan, he will continue to enlighten us, as often as possible, about these obvious truths he has seen.
So far, he is proving to be one of those really honorable men in our military, the ones who really believe the oaths they have taken, and they know their new CIC and his boss Cheney are the antithesis of everything honorable they ever learned.
The General states quite clearly, that Cheney The Real Emporer, is bare-naked.
Someone has to say it. General Sheehan’s blunt statements from the very start prove what a master of mutual delusion and what a liar and a cheat Cheney is.
This, along with Tenet’s tell-all book, will help de-gravitas old deadeye, and the Bush he rode in on. Anyone who thinks Rush still has any meaningful influence beyond his own looped-up delusions only needs to listen to him for a few short minutes. These days, his desperation is so obvious, it is blatant.
Is it true that “Rush Limbaugh” translates in farsi to “Tariq Aziz?” Or is that just another vicious blog rumor?
April 21st, 2007 at 9:11 pmBush has No Plan B. His argument is that we need to give the surge and Gen. Petraus TIME to make a success out of Iraq. As the weeks go by, it will become increasingly obvious that the surge is Not Working. The Iraqi Govt. is not taking the steps necessary to forge a political settlement. I hope someone is secretly making plans for the end game, before we end up with Helicopters on the roof of the embassy in the Green Zone.
April 21st, 2007 at 9:22 pm28% trolls = chickenshit chickenhawk cowards who have never served in the military.
April 21st, 2007 at 9:39 pmI don’t understand why we give credence to papers such as the Washington Post. Anyone who believes what is printed in its pages is either incredibly gullible, willfully ignorant, or clinging to their idealogical guns with every last drop of denial in their souls. We (right wing included in this) all know that the Bush administration has degenerated into the largest joke of American history. Let’s stop quibbling over the details.
April 21st, 2007 at 9:53 pmCorrection: Washington Times, not Washington Post. Though I’m sure a troll will call me out on that anyway.
April 21st, 2007 at 9:56 pmI love how Cheney and company’s strategies are so ill conceived that the military leaders are defecting left and right.
And yet the Bushgod worshippers still think that their leaders are doing great.
Does anyone ever remember seeing generals jumping ship like this?
April 21st, 2007 at 9:58 pmDoes anyone ever remember seeing generals jumping ship like this?
Comment by neildeal
Its a terrible situation for the military leaders…they are not allowed to overthrow the civil leadership yet the civilian leadership is inept and carelessly throws away the lives of the military….
April 21st, 2007 at 10:03 pmHas the civilian leadership been right about anything in the past six years? But we are to believe they have a plan now that will work? Are we all supposed to be as stupid as the 28%ers who support this failed president?
April 21st, 2007 at 10:17 pmIts a terrible situation for the military leaders…they are not allowed to overthrow the civil leadership yet the civilian leadership is inept and carelessly throws away the lives of the military….
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — April 21, 2007 @ 10:03 pm
Says who? Violent overthrow is always an option, even in Nazi Germany. But one must be willing to live with the consequences.
April 21st, 2007 at 10:20 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire
History.
Romans lost any semblance to freedom their people had when military leaders got the idea they could just kill the previous emperor and his close allys and then they get to be emperor … that would destroy America… This is something that the Senators should really be taking care of… They are there to be the elders that keeps the ship upright… well we are listing….
April 21st, 2007 at 10:26 pmSays who? Violent overthrow is always an option, even in Nazi Germany. But one must be willing to live with the consequences.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — April 21, 2007 @ 10:20 pm
I hope you two aren’t seriously advocating this. I’d take 1000 Bush’s with some degree of checks by Congress that 1 military despot with limitless power.
Should they have input? Yes. Should they be allowed to run the show? A resounding no.
April 21st, 2007 at 10:26 pmComment by erock #79
…while I agree with you in principle about not relishing the thought of military rule…
…I am still cognizant of the admonition from the founding “fellas” who wrote the Constitution…
…to the citizenry…
…something about it being a citizen’s duty to overthrow (probably NOT their term but…)
…a government that becomes ‘tyrannical’…
…watch out for Blackwater, the Patriot Act, and another “terrosist attack” on American soil…
…we MAY be forced to change our minds…
April 21st, 2007 at 10:37 pmMoney trail explains everything
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17547.htm
April 21st, 2007 at 10:49 pm…we MAY be forced to change our minds…
Comment by big papa — April 21, 2007 @ 10:37 pm
We’ll do our duty in Novermber 2008. Until then let’s just watch them unravel.
April 21st, 2007 at 10:54 pm…no inbreds here either…
…hmmm…
April 21st, 2007 at 11:22 pmGee, I thought there couldn’t possibly be any liberals in the military…they’re all too busy marching in protest marches. Right?
April 21st, 2007 at 11:27 pmthey’re all too busy marching in protest marches. Right?
Comment by Scott M. #84
…somebody’s gotta try and save their dumb a*ses…
April 21st, 2007 at 11:33 pmGee, I thought there couldn’t possibly be any liberals in the military…they’re all too busy marching in protest marches. Right?
Comment by Scott M.
He’s no liberal, you dipshit. He’s just got enough sense not to put his balls in a vice.
April 21st, 2007 at 11:39 pmDestroy Sun Yung moon, Rupert Murdoch et al…
…take back the people’s airwaves…
…make the msm PAY (monetarily) for Iraq…
…and the deficit!
SERIOUSLY!
April 21st, 2007 at 11:57 pm#34 - “Here’s a hypothetical question for you Ms. Venus. In your opinion does osama bin laden want us to set a timetable for withdrawal in Iraq, or does he want us to stay until we achieve Victory???”
Dear Mr/Ms Badger - In my opinion, OBL views the US as a paper tiger. Liberals do MUCH to reinforce his belief. A timetable for withdrawal demonstrates weakness and “lack of stomach” for this sadly necessary fight. Unfortunately, some contemporary liberals, with the best of intentions, do not see the this war as a worldwide fight against Muslim extremism. Such radicals are not people who can be dealt with at a negotiating table. These are not people who wish to be left alone in peace (and in doing so allow others - infidels - to live in the same peace). Unfortunately, these are not people with whom compromise can be achieved. Sadly, these are not people with whom we can adopt a “Live and let Live” neighbourliness.
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:03 amDear Mr/Ms Badger - In my opinion, OBL views the US as a paper tiger. Liberals do MUCH to reinforce his belief.
And the fact that Bin Laden also knows how two-faced republicans can be, talking about “never negotiating with terrorists,” WHILE selling them weapons, also adds considerably to the problem. Now that’s cowardice on a grand political scale.
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:09 amBnf - “Says who? Violent overthrow is always an option, even in Nazi Germany. But one must be willing to live with the consequences.”
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
“High treason, broadly defined, is an action which is grossly disloyal to one’s country or sovereign. Participating in a war against one’s country, attempting to overthrow its government, and attempting to kill its head of state are perhaps the best known examples of high treason.”
You have gone off the deep end - swim, tread water or grab a life preserver - but get out of the vortex you are in.
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:09 am“28% trolls = chickenshit chickenhawk cowards who have never served in the military.” Comment by kasinca
Wrong again - it must get tiresome making such stupidly ignorant assumptions
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:11 amVP Dick Cheney must either be forced to resign immediately or impeached by the House and convicted by the Senate to remove him. Then he should be turned over to the World Court, at the Hague, to be tried for war crimes and sentenced.
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:18 amDear Barfy - Since the weapons sales you speak of occurred when Afghanistan was engaged with our NUMBER 1 enemy ( and your friend) the now defunct Soviet Union, your time warped comment makes as much sense as an astological forecast - - yesterday. Bin Laden had NOT declared war on the US at that time - but you demonstrate and inability to connect the dots. Why confuse you with facts? Sit down, have another beer and keep making more ignorant comments…..you’re much more amusing when you’ve had a few…..
Tooodles……….
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:19 amUnfortunately, these are not people with whom compromise can be achieved. Sadly, these are not people with whom we can adopt a “Live and let Live†neighbourliness.
Comment by valiant venus — April 22, 2007 @ 12:03 am
No one wants to pacify the real killers here (except maybe the Bush administration which has all but given up the hunt for OBL). But how is bombing a third world country into oblivion bringing these people to justice? The best way to combat terrorism is intelligence, and not the kind you so oft fail to display, the kind that the CIA gathers. There is a time for bombs, there is a time for negotiations, and there is a time for caution and ware.
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:19 amWrong again - it must get tiresome making such stupidly ignorant assumptions
Comment by valiant venus — April 22, 2007 @ 12:11 am
Wouldn’t you know?
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:19 amDear Barfy - Since the weapons sales you speak of occurred when Afghanistan was engaged with our NUMBER 1 enemy ( and your friend) the now defunct Soviet Union, your time warped comment makes as much sense as an astological forecast . Comment by valiant venus
I was talking about Reagan’s selling weapons to the same terrorists who held Americans hostage - the Iranians - and then telling the American people on television that “we never negotiate with terrorists,” not the OTHER right-wing f#ck-up in Afghanistan. I guess you were still in diapers when that one occurred; ask you parents about it.
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:25 amOh, and MA? Reagan began selling them weapons mere months after taking office. A Real American Hero.
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:26 amEpebble - Kasinca thanks you for input - he wouldn’t know what to do without your valuable contribution…..Of course you have no clue about the numbers he guesses at - but I must congratulate you - You are never one to miss an opportunity to demonstrate mediocrity……
Toooodles……………
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:29 amOh, and MA? Reagan began selling them weapons mere months after taking office. A Real American Hero.
Comment by Barfly — April 22, 2007 @ 12:26 am
Well something had to fund the never ending conflict with that superpower Grenada. \s
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:30 amEpebble - Kasinca thanks you for input - he wouldn’t know what to do without your valuable contribution…..Of course you have no clue about the numbers he guesses at - but I must congratulate you - You are never one to miss an opportunity to demonstrate mediocrity……
Toooodles……………
Comment by valiant venus — April 22, 2007 @ 12:29 am
Point?
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:31 amOh Barfy - You are right!! Of course, mixing OBL and the unnamed Iran in YOUR convoluted (or drunken) argument was a tad confusing. But then, when has clarity been your strong suit?? That was when the liberals in Congress were busy supporting the Communist Sandinista’ takeover of Central America, right?
No more shooters for you…..
Gooood night!!!!
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:33 am“Point?”
Your mediocre pointlessness, of course……….
Sleep tight!
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:34 amPoint?
Comment by erock
Meth.
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:35 amYour mediocre pointlessness, of course……….
Sleep tight!
Comment by valiant venus — April 22, 2007 @ 12:34 am
Pathetic.
Also, a quick literary tip here, pointlessness is binary, there is no “mediocre pointlessness.” You either have a point or you don’t. You don’t.
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:41 amOf course, mixing OBL and the unnamed Iran in YOUR convoluted (or drunken) argument was a tad confusing. But then, when has clarity been your strong suit?? That was when the liberals in Congress were busy supporting the Communist Sandinista’ takeover of Central America, right?
I’ve seen your profile, lounge lizard. Isn’t it like pot vs kettle? Lay off the sauce, sister; it’s not your friend.
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:43 amMeth.
Comment by Barfly
That would be my guess….
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:44 amThat was when the liberals in Congress were busy supporting the Communist Sandinista’ takeover of Central America, right?
And how’d that scenario pan out, comrade? Are you now a member of some insurgent group, fighting off the Communist hordes in the wastelands of Utah?
WOLVERINES!
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:48 amAnd how’d that scenario pan out, comrade? Are you now a member of some insurgent group, fighting off the Communist hordes in the wastelands of Utah?
WOLVERINES!
Comment by Barfly — April 22, 2007 @ 12:48 am
Joe McCarthy reincarnate? She’s from California so she probably thinks her ideas are unique and in some sad way groundbreaking. Her self-righteousness appears to have never had a history course in her life.
April 22nd, 2007 at 12:55 amShe’s from California … Comment by erock
So am I, so don’t hold that against her.
But the whole lack of historical perspective thing is what makes her such an easy target. I sometimes think TP hires her to chum the boards with red-meat rhetoric; style and substance be damned. Quantity over quality.
April 22nd, 2007 at 1:05 amHer self-righteousness appears to have never had a history course in her life.
Comment by erock — April 22, 2007 @ 12:55 am
Home-schooled, using religiously-slanted texts, would be my guess.
April 22nd, 2007 at 1:07 amBut the whole lack of historical perspective thing is what makes her such an easy target. I sometimes think TP hires her to chum the boards with red-meat rhetoric; style and substance be damned. Quantity over quality.
Comment by Barfly — April 22, 2007 @ 1:05 am
No offense meant to Californians, I only meant that since she has been amongst liberals for most of her life she believes that she is a free thinker and something special. I couldn’t agree more that TP must sometimes entice trolls to the board. I just with they could find some competent ones.
April 22nd, 2007 at 1:10 amWhen all else fails…smear your target…unreal.
April 22nd, 2007 at 1:13 amWhy doesnt someone take these chickenhawk smear merchants to task in the public arena? I’m tired of seeing people with honorable service records get put down by fat, grey haired, chicken shit motherfuckers that spent their whole lives avoiding any actual military service while supporting meatgrinder wars like vietnam and vietraq. Please someone…anyone.
April 22nd, 2007 at 1:17 amWhen all else fails…smear your target…unreal.
Comment by Karim — April 22, 2007 @ 1:13 am
Get used to it. It pains me to say the I hope the Democrats adopt more of this strategy for 2008…God knows the Republicans will.
April 22nd, 2007 at 1:18 amI only meant that since she has been amongst liberals for most of her life she believes that she is a free thinker and something special.
No offense taken. She supposedly lives in North County (San Diego), in the Dukester’s old district. Not exactly a bastion of liberal thought. They do have a lot of white-collar criminals, though; and, shall we say, many “labor intensive” businesses, who take advantage of the area’s many undocumented immigrants. I’m closer to the border, in the East County.
April 22nd, 2007 at 1:20 amNo offense taken. She supposedly lives in North County (San Diego), in the Dukester’s old district. Not exactly a bastion of liberal thought. They do have a lot of white-collar criminals, though; and, shall we say, many “labor intensive†businesses, who take advantage of the area’s many undocumented immigrants. I’m closer to the border, in the East County.
Comment by Barfly — April 22, 2007 @ 1:20 am
She makes me very sad for my generation. I knew 1000 of her in undergrad and their arrogance and ignorance disgusted me. I can understand the religous conservatives, I can understand the wealthy conservatives even more, but when someone leans right out of shear indifference to the human condition, they are beyond comprehension. Hope you’re doing well out there Barfly.
April 22nd, 2007 at 1:33 amComment by erock
All is reasonably well. Except, perhaps for Austrailia. Check out the newest thread.
April 22nd, 2007 at 1:36 amDear Mr/Ms Badger - In my opinion, OBL views the US as a paper tiger.Comment by valiant venus — April 22, 2007 @ 12:03 am
Sounds more like how YOU view the US.
Liberals do MUCH to reinforce his belief. Comment by valiant venus — April 22, 2007 @ 12:03 am
Bingo. Right on time. You blame Liberals for YOUR belief that the US is a paper tiger, and you then blame Liberals for attacking the US. Yeah, it had nothing to do with Republicans first helping to train and fund Al Qaeda to fight the “commies”, then leaving troops in Saudi Arabia.
St*pid piece of shit Anti-American hateful c*nt.
A timetable for withdrawal demonstrates weakness and “lack of stomach†for this sadly necessary fight. Comment by valiant venus — April 22, 2007 @ 12:03 am
Yet, the Al Qaeda laptop seized in Iraq showed Osama wanted us to come and STAY in Iraq - because he thought you CONS were easily manipulated. How does it feel to know you’re so st*pid you’ve become Osama’s b*tch?
Unfortunately, some contemporary liberals, with the best of intentions, do not see the this war as a worldwide fight against Muslim extremism. Comment by valiant venus — April 22, 2007 @ 12:03 am
Unfortuntely, some contemporary conservatives, with *probably* the best of intentions, do not see the fact they are tool of Muslim extremism, and have acted as a tool to spread it recently.
Such radicals are not people who can be dealt with at a negotiating table. Comment by valiant venus — April 22, 2007 @ 12:03 am
Yeah, they’re too much like you - is that the point?
These are not people who wish to be left alone in peace (and in doing so allow others - infidels - to live in the same peace). Comment by valiant venus — April 22, 2007 @ 12:03 am
How nice of you to recognize your own terrorist/violent traits in others. Too bad you’re too st*pid to see how much you share them, and therefore make them worse in others.
Unfortunately, these are not people with whom compromise can be achieved. Comment by valiant venus — April 22, 2007 @ 12:03 am
We live under the Bush Admin, we know how incapable of compromise you CONS are, of any religion.
Sadly, these are not people with whom we can adopt a “Live and let Live†neighbourliness.Comment by valiant venus — April 22, 2007 @ 12:03 am
So, you’re advocating we shut all of you religious zealous CONS down, because you’re sh*tty neighbors? I know many people would agree with you - that you don’t deserve to be their neighbor in this country - st*pid religious c*nt.
April 22nd, 2007 at 3:07 amEpebble - Kasinca thanks you for input - he wouldn’t know what to do without your valuable contribution…..Comment by valiant venus — April 22, 2007 @ 12:29 am
Ah, the arrogant, but misdirected self reflection. Project much? You useless r*t*rded piece of sh*t?
Of course you have no clue about the numbers he guesses at - but I must congratulate you - You are never one to miss an opportunity to demonstrate mediocrity…… Toooodles…………… Comment by valiant venus — April 22, 2007 @ 12:29 am
You should AIM for mediocrity - st*pid c*nt. It would be a great improvement for you!
April 22nd, 2007 at 3:09 amI love how these zombies come here and try to claim that Liberals who want to openly debate the war are emboldening the enemy.
Got any proof of that? Didn’t think so.
But what about this article? It contradicts their idiotic, unfounded assertions.
Saturday, December 25, 2004
Radical Militants on Planet al-Qaeda Wanted Bush to Win US Election
Georges Malbrunot, one of two French journalists recently released by radical Muslim fundamentalists in Iraq, spoke to CNN on Friday:
Malbrunot quoted his captors as saying Bush’s re-election “would improve our ability to fight . . . We vote for Bush because Bush help us a lot by intervening in Afghanistan. So, from that point we could spread all over the world and we are now in 60 countries,” Malbrunot cited one of the militants as saying on October 15, two weeks before Bush defeated Democrat John Kerry. Malbrunot, 41, quoted the same militant as saying: “Our main targets are Saudi Arabia and Egypt. And because of Bush, if he is re-elected, we are sure that American soldiers will remain in Iraq for years.”
April 22nd, 2007 at 3:11 amOh Barfy - You are right!! Of course, mixing OBL and the unnamed Iran in YOUR convoluted (or drunken) argument was a tad confusing. But then, when has clarity been your strong suit?? That was when the liberals in Congress were busy supporting the Communist Sandinista’ takeover of Central America, right? No more shooters for you….. Gooood night!!!! Comment by valiant venus — April 22, 2007 @ 12:33 am
Just because you’re a loose drunken sl*t that can’t string together a coherent thought - don’t project your alcoholism on others - st*pid c*nt.
Are you referring to the same Sandanistas that took care of the environment, womens rights, and wrote constitutions and had free elections so that their end in power came about democratically?
Or are you referring to the wingnuts that fought the Sandanistas with illegal Ronuhld RayGun’s illegal Crack funded war of Terrorism?
You CONS always loved TERRORISTS, as long as they were fighting commies. It really s*cks that your terrorist babies grow up, doesn’t it - st*pid c*nt?
April 22nd, 2007 at 3:12 amWrong again - it must get tiresome making such stupidly ignorant assumptions Comment by valiant venus — April 22, 2007 @ 12:11 am
Project much? Doesn’t it get tiresome talking about yourself in such negative terms? Or are you still such a st*pid c*nt that you don’t know that all of your negative comments are self directed?
St*pid c*nt.
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April 22nd, 2007 at 9:33 amIn Sheehan’s words, nothing good can happen in Iraq as long as Dick Cheney is around. Maybe it’s time for new leadership–if Cheney stills takes his marching orders from Richard Perle and Bill Kristol we are all screwed. Losers leading the losers.
April 22nd, 2007 at 9:33 amSurely there must be an incompetent crony that will demonstrate his loyalty by jumping into the breach. No experience necessary. Where’s Brownie been lately?
April 22nd, 2007 at 10:05 amI thought that “war czar” was supposed to be the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces (as our Constitution stipulates)?
Yet another level of insulation for the president from any mistakes. Is our president responsible for anything he does or orders to be done?
April 22nd, 2007 at 10:32 amAhhh…Czar Wars.
April 22nd, 2007 at 2:58 pmYes.
He is more like a henchman than a public servant.
Yet we continue to bend over and take it.
If the dems don’t impeach, time for a viable 3rd party. If the corruption is this widespread and deep, maybe some dems don’t want to be too busy with this issue either?
WTF, impeach them already!
April 22nd, 2007 at 4:35 pmHow morally corrupt and ethically bankrupt can a politician be? Dick Cheney is the poster boy for honor-challenged inhumanity. Some are calling for his impeachment. I want him to stay right where he is: a bright red, flashing, neon light spotlighting what is majorly wrong with the Repooplican Party. No…let Dickie-Boy stay right where he is; he will be most useful in the ‘08 election.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:45 am