Broder: Reid Is A ‘Bumbling’ ‘Embarrassment’
Broder: Reid Is A ‘Bumbling’ ‘Embarrassment’
David Broder, the sagely insightful “dean” of the Washington press corps, attacked Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) today over his claim that the war in Iraq is lost.
Speaking on XM radio, Broder said that Reid should “learn to engage mind before mouth opens,” and suggested that Reid’s Senate allies “have a little caucus and decide how much further they want to carry Harry Reid” and his “bumbling performance.”
Asked if Harry Reid is “an embarrassment,” Broder said, “I think so,” since “every six weeks or so there’s another episode where he has to apologize for the way in which he has bungled the Democratic case.”
CLICK HERE TO LISTENThis is the prototypical Washington “gaffe” which reporters like Broder find so “embarrassing.” It doesn’t matter whether what Harry Reid said was actually true or false, but whether it was impolitic. And what determines whether it was impolitic isn’t the opinion of American public, but whether conservatives got angry and called Reid “reckless” and “disgraceful.”
It’s apparently irrelevant that Reid’s views are shared by President Bush’s regular military adviser Henry Kissinger, or senior U.S. military officials, or the majority of the American people.
Maybe David Broder can “revisit and revise” his comments about Reid too.
UPDATE: Greg Sargent: “I just checked with Reid’s office, and they told me in no uncertain terms that Reid has not apologized for any of his remarks during his first four months as majority leader.”
Transcript:
EDWARDS: White House and congressional Republicans really blasted Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid for saying the war in Iraq is lost. Do Republicans believe it can still be won?
BRODER: Uh, Republicans, some of them believe that, and Democrats, by and large, wish that Harry Reid would learn to engage mind before mouth opens. This has become kind of a pattern for him, and, uh, I think at some point down the road the Democrats are gonna have to have a little caucus and decide how much further they want to carry Harry Reid. They’ve got able people on the Senate side, and they don’t have to put up with this kind of bumbling performance forever.
EDWARDS: You think Harry Reid is an embarrassment to the Democrats?
BRODER: I think so. I mean, he has been a pretty effective leader but he is verbally just a real loose cannon and it seems to me, Bob, that about every six weeks or so there’s another episode where he has to apologize for the way in which he has bungled the Democratic case.
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Reid’s view that we have already lost is not shared by Kissinger, current U.S. military officials, or the majority of the American people.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:25 amJust another reason why newspapers are losing customers every day.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:26 amApril 23rd, 2007 at 11:26 am
Broder is a wanker.
Does he have an email address so that we can disabuse him of his polite notions of Senate comportment?
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:26 amAs a Democrat I wish more leaders would speak up like Harry Reid. And we don’t need neocon commentators to tell us what’s good for our party.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:26 amThis is just another untreated case of gasbagitus. Reid is doing just fine.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:27 amHmmm, the old bait and switch.
When asked directly if Reid was correct, Broder diverted the conversation into a specious attack upon Reid, rather than commenting on the merits (or even lack thereof) of what Reid said.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:28 amIt would be nice if the press would at least use the full quote.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:30 amIt is an embarrassment to me for the Liberal Press to have their asses up Dubya, the drunken moron’s ass, all the time. Was it an embarrassment when William F. Buckley made a similar comment approximately a year ago? What about when Chuck Hagel said the same.
This war is over, we lost and we lost because of the neo-conservatives who spend more time blaming others than looking at their own actions. Screw Broder and the rest of the ass kissing Washington Press Corp.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:31 amAh yes, Mr. Broder…. hope you don’t mind if I share a little anecdote with the readers here….
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:31 amThe Broder family had an old tattered beach cottage on a certain island in the northern end of Lake Michigan.
Which they proceeded to enclose within an over-the-top mega beach house, thereby preserving for posterity all their fond memories.
Weird.
nico – just curious… is your mom a red-head?
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:32 amyou have that certain “bite” i’m reminded of…
as a daughter of, and a mother of, a red-head…
just wondering…
:-)
Holy sh*t …… How much more of this garbage can I take? These same Repowhore AHoles called for Les Aspin to resign after a few guys (18) got killed in blackdowk down-town……
Bush lost the worst war in American history,
3323 dead in Iraq so far………………
bankrupted us and shredded the army and NOTHING has been done about new orleans either….
Total incompetence!
If Republican CEO Hall of Famer Lee Iacocca thinks the country is being managed this badly, why not Broder too? Isnt that AHole paying attention?
Why cant one of us get on the main stream media and call that guy out for being a white house propagandist ???
Cant think Progress DO ANYTHING???
jesus.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:32 amNice coral lip gloss, David…
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:32 amDavid Broder is an embarrassment to journalism.
Wait – check that. David Broder is an embarrassment to humanity.
Pot, meet kettle.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:32 amReid had the guts to state the obvious. The unstoppable force has been stopped in Iraq. Just because we cannot be defeated on any battlefield, it does not follow that we can win in each and every theater.
Nobody wants to hear the words “we cannot win” when the word “we” refers to the US of A but facts have to be faced – especially when denying the facts will certainly cost us more than we can afford.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:32 am“Mike Post sez:
Kissinger???
Well, it looks like Shakey’s blown another gasket…attempting to discredit Reid by invoking Kissinger is a bit like attempting to discredit Churchill by invoking Mussolini.
TP, can we please have a better troll? Just rebranding the same, tired, worn-out troll and sending him back into the fray is obviously not working.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:33 amThe war is lost and was lost since it was founded on lies and unjustice. Thousands of civilians dead, millions of exiled, millions living in fear, terrorism on the rise, kidnappings, beheadings, torture, and death. Which side is the embarrasing one, stupid a-hole?
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:34 amJust to let you know, Brownie’s doing a heck of a job.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:36 amI like his pursed lips. Reminds me of somebody.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:37 amBroder has been a colossal embarrassment for years, but he isn’t alone. We are ruled by dead men, an entire zombie-fied establishment. I haven’t read a newspaper or watched TV except sporadically for years. That helps. The more of us who do this, the sooner something better may arise.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:37 amCan you quote the full Buckley comment, kasinca? I had not heard about that before.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:37 am“Reid’s view that we have already lost is not shared by Kissinger, current U.S. military officials, or the majority of the American people.”
A citation would be nice. But I will add that the majority of the American people want us out of Iraq NOW.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:37 amI believe the full quote runs something along the lings of Ried stating that he told Bush that Ried believes that Bush and his administration know the war is lost but are running out the clock until a new administration comes in so that the new administration will have to deal with W and VP’s mess. Ried did not state that he thought the war was lost. And, even if he did, who cares . . ..
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:39 amIt’s only going to get more impolitic.
I predict it won’t be long until some high-level person (media or government) explicitly alleges that the preznit is mentally ill.
Reid has come as close as I’ve seen … so far.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:40 amReid was candid, and Broder can’t handle candor, especially where it may offend members of the D.C. dinner party circuit. He’s not a journalist — he’s a grumpy old man annoyed at the generation that is running things. (And he looks like Jr. Soprano fading away in the nursing home.)
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:40 amTo comment number 9…
I agree with everything you say except the comment about the “Liberal Press”. There is nothing liberal about the press that Broder and his ilk represent, only corporate concerns.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:40 amIs it just me, or are all the talking news heads looking a bit long in the tooth? I mean, talk about your dead white European males. Looking at Broder’s picture makes me think he probably remembers Rich Little’s debut on Judy Garland’s show. No wonder most informed Americans get their news from the Net or The Daily Show. This guy is DOA.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:40 amI’ve met Broder and used to respect him, but now he’s a hollow shill of a man.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:41 amBroder,who asked you?
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:41 amHarry Reid is correct.
Harry also knows that this is no longer a war to be won or lost,but a war to enrich all the Bush/Cheney buddies with our tax dollars as fast as possible.
Here’s the full Reid quote for the trolls:
Now, go sit on it, Potsie.
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April 23rd, 2007 at 11:42 amLike EVERY time the CONTURD media quote a Democrat OUT OF CONTEXT-
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:42 amhis next sentence was that a military solution wasn’t possible, which the Cletii of the MSM and CONTURD media both conveniently “forget”.
Sure glad I don’t have to look across my table at broder in the morning….Yike’s! what a scowler and he lies to…Geees these guy’s are all like troll’s…..BTW..TP can you recycle these old boring troll’s please and send us some fresh one’s….Thank’s in advance….Blessings
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:43 amNote to Broder: Bush is the embarrassment you need to worry about.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:44 am#21
Or words to that effect….
http://www.nationalreview.com/buckley/buckley200602241451.asp
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:44 amHey Broder, what do you think of Our Dear Leader?
C’mon you frickin’ whore, be honest….
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:45 amCan you quote the full Buckley comment, kasinca? I had not heard about that before.
Comment by Mike Post — April 23, 2007 @ 11:37 am
Why don’t YOU go look for it. Can’t you neocons do anything yourselves?
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:45 amCan you quote the full Buckley comment, kasinca? I had not heard about that before.
Comment by Mike Post — April 23, 2007 @ 11:37 am
that’s what you get for not paying attention…
here are three threads at TP:
http://thinkprogress.org/?s=Buckley
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:46 amRemember when Broder used to do insightful and thoughtful commetary? No! Neither do I.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:47 amWe know who the bumbling embarrassment is and it ain’t Reid. It’s the head bushie, and all his little bushies, whose incompetence, ineptitude, and disconnectedness have given us the greatest foreign policy disaster ever. Broder is an embarrassment who has been completely wrong for some time now.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:47 amHey, Broder’s talking about the one area where he has real experience and true expertise – bumbling incompetency, mainly his own.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:48 amI don’t have a problem with Reid coming out against our troops. I just wish he would have added his personal plan for victory. Simply saying the troops have failed is pretty weak and heartless. He really needs to produce a plan for victory otherwise Reid’s comments are worthless and hurtful. BTW, what is the Dem plan to gain freedom and democracy for the Iraqi people?
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:49 amThis is the full quote I was referring to:
“I believe myself that the secretary of state, secretary of defense and — you have to make your own decisions as to what the president knows — this war is lost and the surge is not accomplishing anything as indicated by the extreme violence in Iraq yesterday.”
Reid’s comments also touched off many US Veterans which prompted Veterans of Foreign Wars Commander-in-Chief Gary Kurpius to “urge Senator Reid to stop his defeatist rhetoric because of the negative impact it is having on the morale of American forces and their families.” Kurpius said Thursday was not the first time Sen. Reid has slammed US troops in Iraq, saying that on April 2 in Las Vegas Reid had said that the Iraq war was “a failure.”
“Senator Reid claims to be a legislator who knows how to compromise, but his repeated comments are having an extremely negative impact on our troops, their families and our allies around the world,” said Kurpius.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:49 amThis is just classic Republican projection.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:49 amThis the same Broder who back in Feb, declared: “President Bush is poised for a political comeback?”
Pardon me while I laugh in your face David…Bahahahaha!
This war was, in fact, lost when Bush stole the election in 2000. To prop up a veritable failure in everything he touched and sell him as some sort of ‘God-fearing’ Neocon savior only makes monkeys out of the people who voted for him and the rest of us angrily justified in our outcry. Broder, et. al. hitched their wagons to an anvil and are now launching the slings and arrows up at those unwilling to join his accelerating plummet.
“You’ll be sooorrrrrryyyyyyyy…………”
Broder has resorted to name-calling since he cannot cite real merits of throwing away our bravest soldiers into Bush’s vanity war. David Broder is only trying to earn his money barking on command for his corporate masters.
Roll-over David! Good boy!
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:50 amThe President gave away operational information on the troops in Bagdad. I think that hurts the troops more that anything Reid said!!!
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:50 amThanks, katy, but none of those Buckley quotes refer to a “LOST war”. Even I agree that we were not able to meet the American objective of a quick war and subsequent peaceful democracy in Iraq. We are continuing regardless of that initial setback. That is quite different from Reid saying we’ve already lost.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:52 amBroder gives clear, irrefutable evidence that patriotism rots the brain
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:53 amThis war was, in fact, lost when Bush stole the election in 2000.
Comment by Commons3nse
That is so true.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:55 amWhy doesn’t he talk about the bumbling by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Bremmer etal. who made “the war” imminently unwinnable a long, long time ago. Reid is one of the few that has the guts and insight to say what is true. Broder should be taking on the main-stream media for their failures and for aiding and abetting these reckless and irresponsible jerks for the worst foreign policy debacle in our history! He passed the litmus test for being a republican–he’s throwing blame on someone else in order to minimize his own “bumbling” and that of an almost criminal lack of responsiblity by the new media.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:55 amMike Post #21
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/59/18789
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:56 amSee my comments to katy, kasinca. I have to go, but I will be back tomorrow.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:56 amWe are continuing regardless of that initial setback. That is quite different from Reid saying we’ve already lost.
Comment by Mike Post — April 23, 2007 @ 11:52 am
Initial setback that is lasting more than 4 years by now.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:57 amReality meet Mike, Mike meet reality.
#41 – Don’t the Iraqi people already have a government that they elected into office?
Well, other than the hand-picked people that Pres. Bush and his Administration have placed into the Iraqi government, that is.
Don’t the Iraqi people already have soldiers that are trained to secure their own country? What was it Pres. Bush said: 5 regiments that are fully trained?
It looks like the war is over, it’s just the Civil War that the Iraqi’s have to contend with now.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:57 amBroder 101:
Heads, Republicans Win.
Tails, Democrats Lose.
See, it’s a bipartisan arrangement, since both sides are represented!
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:57 amYou say Broder, I say turn the radio off!
“Nope. The Stupidest Man Alive Is David S. Broder”
Enough to drive anybody shrill:
http://shrillblog.blogspot.com/2007_04_01_archive.html#2874490671116083524
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:58 amBroder is supposed to be a news professional, yet he’s nothing more than a shameless political propagandist for the Bush administration. Is anyone really “surprised” that he’s attacking Reid for what Bush is most guilty of; being a “bumbling embarassment”!? That’s like Ken Melhman accusing Arnold Schwarzenegger of being effimenent. Bush Republicans are either purposeful liars or cloistered neo-con fools. And sometimes, as in Broder’s case, both.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:58 amComment by Mike Post — April 23, 2007 @ 11:49 am
it is common etiquette to supply the link to such posts…
you really should return the favor, at the least…
as for your doubts about Kissinger, current U.S. military officials, or the majority of the American people, do you undertand the the words and phrases that are underlined are links to the source?
well, now you do…
that’s all for that one, shane… good point..
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:58 amBTW, what is the Dem plan to gain freedom and democracy for the Iraqi people?
Comment by Roger_Roger — April 23, 2007 @ 11:49 am
So that is the Republican’s plan. Do nothing until Bush’s term is over and then let the Democrats solve the problem. So you want soldiers and Iraqis just to keep dying because Bush dug this whole so deep and has no idea how to get out.
And this is the leader you’re so proud of?
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:58 amRoger_Rhetoric sez:
RR, I refer you to Sparky the Penguin from This Modern World fame for an answer to your question:
And before you ask, it’s every bit as feasible Chimpy’s “plan”.
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:01 pmthe only embarrasment is broder and his vicious tongue – another paranoid armchair general who wouldnt be caught dead fighting this illegal war in iraq, yet doesnt mind sniping from the back row
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:01 pm“Senator Reid claims to be a legislator who knows how to compromise, but his repeated comments are having an extremely negative impact on our troops, their families and our allies around the world,†said Kurpius.
Comment by Mike Post — April 23, 2007 @ 11:49 am
I’ll bet Kurpius is a Republican. Why should Reid care what he thinks when the President says “screw you” to everybody who voted a majority of Democrats into congress?
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:01 pmis there a move underfoot within the hardcore bushies to make the blanket denials like the first post here in continuance of the gop’s tactic
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:02 pmof repeating a lie often enough for people to believe it? that coal-fired
locomotive frm pettycoat junction that the gop had disguised as a bullet train has run off the tracks, it is likely to require extensive repairs and a return to its glory days will take a long time, if , indeed, it is even possible.
Broder has a firm grasp of the obvious. Wonder why it took him so long to figure out that Surrender Harry Reid is indeed an idiot and an appeaser.
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:03 pmRogerx2 How painful is your terminal matastasized idealogy? We see you nashing and writhing, it seems very painful the death of your failed ideology and party. We see you remain stuck in stage one of what Elizabeth Kubler Ross called denial or have you slipped into anger?
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:04 pmBroder is just another neocon sycophant. Of course the war is lost. It was lost before it was even began, since ‘winning’ per se, has only been at best an afterthought.
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:05 pmThe purpose underlying all the bloodshed, lies and hubris has been PROFIT.
Only the ‘dimmest lightbulb’ could believe that there’s a deeper modivation behind BushCo, except ‘INCREASING PROFITS‘!
RogerX2, and twice as dumb… Tell me was your father your mothers brother?
Now the question is… What are YOU going to do about an incompetent administration? Don’t push all your failures off on democrats, oh I know you GOP’ers are nothing but a bunch of pussy-ass-coward-child-molesting-cheating-lying-CHO’s. With no ideas of your own, only slogans. Face it roger, YOU SUCK. Your administration sucks, and sadly now so does all of America in the worlds eyes.
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:06 pmPatrick1.
*yawn*
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:08 pmOhnoes! We’re doomed!
The Republicans are going to destroy us in the 2006 mid-terms.
Oh yeah. This is going to kill us. Just like Pelosi’s trip to Syria. You know, the one that happened just before her poll numbers went up, and the president’s went down?
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:09 pmBroder has always been a GOP favoring “political writer.” Cheney/rove have pulled his chain and he’s delivering the attack. The rove game plan continues. . . attack the person and Americans will forget about the message. Thankfully, for Americans, it is no longer working. This is a failed president and no amount of attacking anyone critical of bushco will change the reality of the numerous blunders and incompetence.
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:09 pmThe Dems are invested in a US defeat in Iraq. The US did not win the Korean War. We lost the Viet Nam War, capitulated in Lebanon and Somalia. We cannot afford to be defeated in Iraq, despite the benefit this defeat may present to the Democrats.
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:10 pm#41, Nice try RR, but Reid never said the troops failed, His comment was directed towards the president and his course (curse?) of action. Or do you have a different quote that you are thinking of? Also why do they have to have a plan to replace failure? Ever think that there are no achievable goals If that is the case then there is no point to staying in Iraq. And simply wishing for a people to accept democracy from the barrel of a gun is not necessarily an achievable goal, It is more akin to a kid wishing they could jump from building to building like Spiderman. You can think about it all you want, and it may happen in your dreams, but in reality it aint gonnna happen. Thus far I have seen nothing showing that the White House goals are attainable, other than the wishes and will power of the president. Sorry, you need much more than that.
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:11 pmNow the question is… What are YOU going to do about an incompetent administration? Don’t push all your failures off on democrats, oh I know you GOP’ers are nothing but a bunch of pussy-ass-coward-child-molesting-cheating-lying-CHO’s. With no ideas of your own, only slogans. Face it roger, YOU SUCK. Your administration sucks, and sadly now so does all of America in the worlds eyes.
Comment by Can-O-Whoop-Ass —
Wow. I’m in love….
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:12 pmAnd before you ask, it’s every bit as feasible Chimpy’s “planâ€.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — April 23, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
Dang, why didn’t I think of that? Thanks TMM.
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:13 pmLet’s take a moment and consider who Broder is defending. David Broder is defending Bush.
George W. Bush.
This George W. Bush. (Keep in mind, short of Mitt-mentum or St. McCain, this is the smartest guy the republicans could muster! This is their champion!) It’s like booing at the special olympics!
The Letterman top ten from the Correspondents dinner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8px_KyIFyo
I actually almost feel sorry for these fools who cluelessly and slavishly support President Short Bus…
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:14 pmI wish one of these bumbling embarrassments in the administration would define VICTORY, instead of smearing everyone who points out the obvious (that there is no plan for victory).
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:14 pmYee haa! Where can I get a can-o-that-stuff ?!
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:14 pmBroder should retire. He’s lost any ability he every had for thoughtful, independent, and reasonable analysis.
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:16 pmPatrick1.
*yawn*
Comment by Juan C — April 23, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
The start of a new work week for Patrick1 and he’s already tiresome. He is obviously overpaid at any rate even if he’s a volunteer.
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:17 pmHi Zoeey,
I’m taken by a nice sweet ex-christian :)
But we can be friends and kick idiots asses together! :)
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:18 pmI think Reid and the democratic leadership have bungled, are are bungling, the Democratic case, though not for the reasons Broder claims.
The Democratic leadership has bungled their case by failing to act aggressively. The need for impeachment hearings is more than evident, yet they spend weeks and months going after Samson and Gonzales. These guys need to be much more forceful and aggressive in their prosecution of this ongoing criminal enterprise known as the Bush Administration.
To paraphrase Winston Churchill: There is no need to be polite when your enemy has stated his intention to drive you into the sea and drown you.
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:19 pmOnce apon a time George Bush didn’t lie about the Iraq war.
That day he said that “we have to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people.”
He didn’t lie about needing this to “win”.
It was as true then as it is now.
The lie was that he ever intended to do this at all. He didn’t. Those hearts and minds are full of hate and with good reason.
The occupation is is a failure. It has been lost by 4 years of lies, torture, mismanagement, corruption, and the inability to acknowledge ANY mistakes or make ANY attempt to correct any of them.
That’s reality.
Bush and the fools that worship him live someplace else.
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:20 pm“That is quite different from Reid saying we’ve already lost. Comment by Mike Post”
Mike, it’s really too bad you can’t read, or are not curious enough to read the whole quote. Please tell me where Harry Reid, in this quoted statement:
“As long as we follow the President’s path in Iraq, the war is lost”
is saying that the war is already lost? Actually, he should have said the occupation is lost because it has not been a war for a very long time. It seems to me if you read Reid’s quote correctly, he is implying that if we were to take a different course (like finding a diplomatic solution), we might be able to win this occupation.
So, Mike, before you spout your loud mouth off, make sure you have your facts in order.
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:20 pmit’s all in the phrasing. Harry should have said — “The war, if we continue with Bush’s ’strategy’, is lost.” This way, there is no soundbite by chopping off the first phrase.
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:20 pmThe dominant narrative is that Gonzales is a bumbling idiot who should resign, so the right wing (Broder is obviously in that camp with no pretense of objectivity) has to say the same. It fits their meme: the liberal media is biased because they’re not even bothering to focus on the ‘other bumbling’ idiot, Reid. So now, the media are pushed to “be balanced” and to focus on calls for Reid to resign, which come from inside the media; from Kristol and Broder. I’d be angry at Broder for being such a waist of skin, except that the evidence says that this crap works. And now I won’t be surprised if the media start focusing on Harry Reid due to Kristol and Broder’s baseless calls for him to resign.
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:22 pm#66..Can-O, I am liking your post’s better every day….Keep up the good work….Hey, and I love your humor..No kidding…Blessings
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:23 pmFor all the criticism you Dems have of the President and the war effort, the only solution I hear you proposing is to have the troops come home. I’d like them home, too. But given realistic choices of fighting the Islamofacists on their turf or have suitcase nukes, dirty bombs, car bombs, bio-terrorism, chemical attacks and suicide bombers facing my children and/or grandchildren, I still say “Finish the Job…”
Nobody wants war. That is not the question. The only real question up for debate at this point has to do with the choice of battlefield. If you do not want to fight them there, then get prepared to fight them here. Oh, and by the way, you should also prepare for the battle here to be in civilian population centers, not just military bases.
Some of you do not seem to understand the Islamic concept of “Infidels,” and the way Islamic radicals treat those who refuse to endorse their particular branch of Islam. With them it is either convert to Islam, keep Islamic law or die.
Terrorism is not going away without a fight. We just need to decide on the location of the battlefield.
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:24 pmBroder is so out of it, I am embarrassed for him.
I miss the REAL WaPo — the one not taken over by neocons.
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:25 pmBroder spelled backwards is red orb
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:27 pmBroder spelled backwards is red orb
Comment by Patrick0
LOL!!
priceless…
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:30 pmI’m taken by a nice sweet ex-christian :)
But we can be friends and kick idiots asses together! :)
Comment by Can-O-Whoop-Ass
Deal.
Unrequited love is so painful….. *sniff* :D
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:31 pm“Terrorism is not going away without a fight. We just need to decide on the location of the battlefield.
Comment by IDidntDoIt — April 23, 2007 @ 12:24 pm”
100% WRONG!!!!
Terroism is NOT going away PERIOD!!! It has been around as long as man has!
The only way to defeat terroism is to TALK with people and try to work something out.
War is not the answer, and never will be against an IDIOLOGY!!!
Why do you Republicans have such a MIND BLOCK for 5th grader common sense?
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:31 pmRoger_Roger, why do the Dems need a plan for Iraq in order to speak up? What is your causal reasoning? The Democrats acknowledge that the war is illegal, immoral and lost. Leave is the answer. Do they need to plan the leaving for Bush?
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:35 pmTo #84: Alright, IDidntDoIt, neither the fuck did I. You want to fight them over there so they don’t fight us over here. Fine. But let’s fight INTELLIGENTLY. Let’s fight were the PROBLEMS ARE, not where we’d like them to be. Let’s fight our REAL ENEMIES, say the Sauds who’s partical branch of Islam is churning out the terrorists you so want to destroy. Oh, but we can’t do that, cuz we’re tied to their tit and the current administration is overflowing with their money. Don’t fucking tell me that Iraq is the proper place for this to be taking place. No, sir, this was just to be the mind candy to keep the base warm. Now everyone realizes that no one was watching the pot boil, figuring out what the hell we’d be eating or asking any questions to see if some other idiot Bushie happened to be doing so. Get the troops out of Iraq. Figure out what the fuck we’re doing. And get on with getting on. This 6 y ears of BS has grown quite tiring. AND IT IS YOUR FAULT!
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:35 pmI have never seen Broder as a Wise Man of Washington, so I’ view his remarks as more of the same old, same old. Or as many here at TP would say, “same s**t, different day.” And Broder is the “same ‘ho, different corner.”
What a wanker.
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:36 pmto the author of post #84:
That old line about what muslims want to do “infidels” is tired. “Muslims” are not monolithic, and that line is particulalrly useless in connection with Iraq because they have a multi-ethnic society. They inter-marry without killing their in-laws. And please, didn’t you ever ask yourself where the word “infidel” comes from? It’s spanish for the “unfaithful.” Now, where or why would Muslims use a Spanish word for unfaithful? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#Death_tolls
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:36 pmComment by IDidntDoIt — April 23, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
I read your comment right up to the word “Islamofascists”.
Your use of this idiotic and repeatedly debunked pejorative term illustrates graphically that you need not be taken seriously.
Thanks for putting “Islamofascists” so near the beginning of your comment…it was a real time saver.
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:36 pmMike Post: “Reid’s view that we have already lost is not shared by Kissinger…”
How perfectly ironic. We all now know that Kissinger felt the war in Viet Nam was lost years before we left, but counseled Nixon to never say the war was lost; to publically proclaim that we still could win.
Now, 29 years later, Mike Post takes Kissinger’s public words at face value and reminds us that Kissinger doesn’t think we’ve lost this war.
When will we ever learn?
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:38 pmhey smafdy-i think we’ve all had it up to here with forceful and aggressive, implementing the laws that already exist to remove and punish the forceful and aggressive- and illegal will serve us all better- dont lets keep going down that road, there’s more than one way to skin a rat
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:40 pmIDidntDoIt: “Nobody wants war. That is not the question.”
Sorry, Charlie. The overwhelming evidence we now have indicates that Bush did, indeed want war.
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:40 pmBefore bush&co took us into George Orwell’s 1984 world it would have already have been acknowledged that we “won the war” – we shockandawed our way to Baghdad, we did the “regime change” thing, and we held elections (they now have “democracy”). So, it’s over – time to go home. What’s going on now is the occupation, which we were never told was a part of the objective. Congress never voted to support an occupation, and they shouldn’t continue to fund it. There is a civil war going on there now – how are we going to “win” that? Whose side are we on? It things were reversed, and some other country whom we had never harmed attacked, defeated, and occupied our country, those fighting against the occupying forces (whom we now call “insurgents”) would be considered PATRIOTS!!!
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:44 pm#84
So…by extension of your logic here, the only thing keeping terrorists at bay is by refereeing ethnic cleansing? Last I checked NONE, as in ZERO of the 9-11 hijackers were Iraqi. Neither was Richard Reid, neither was Timothy McVeigh for that matter.
The only thing we are accomplishing at this point is getting our soldiers killed and planting seeds of anti-American, terrorist feelings in a NEW generation of jihadists in Iraq and the Muslim world as a whole.
Your argument here has no basis in reality. The “battles” you speak of coming to our population centers are not being prevented because we have a military operation underway in Iraq.
Get a clue. Or better yet, enlist and go make sure none of those terrorists stage a massive land assault on America.
April 23rd, 2007 at 12:49 pm#41 Reid TELLS THE TRUTH. He SUPPORTS the troops, and wants them OUT.
What is BUSH’S plan for “victory”?? A “surge”?
He didn’t say the TROOPS have failed.
He said Bush’s ILLEGAL WAR was a failure, and that DIPLOMATIC SOLUTIONS are the KEY.
Also, Bush LOVED how Gonzo answered “as honestly as he CAN”.
NOT “the TRUTH, WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH”, which USED to be the USA standard.
You Rush-liar-followers are HILARIOUS!!!
See you in hell roger-roger (cause I’LL be THERE),
April 23rd, 2007 at 1:05 pmMr. Bush
MURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR TO THE USA (TM)
Broder’s e-mail address at the WashPo:
davidbroder@washpost.com
April 23rd, 2007 at 1:06 pmOh, please Harry Reid is correct. Bush and his henchmen have been engaged in war crimes the minute they invaded Iraq. Lets hope the Democrats, although I doubt it, will not allow the same error to happen with an Iran invasion. The sooner everyone admits that the Iraq invasion was an error of the utmost proportions and immediately withdraw US troops, the better off the world will be. The longer Bush prolongs this disaster the great will he be creating terrorism against the US, and I do not blame those who hate this administration and want to bring it to its knees. If my family, friends and property had been harmed or destroyed by Bush’s soldiers, I would never stop wanting revenge.
April 23rd, 2007 at 1:25 pmBUT, I thught Bush is the “bumbling embarassment!”. Get it straight…
April 23rd, 2007 at 1:26 pm“Bumbling performance” is something the Bush administration has performed admirably.
April 23rd, 2007 at 1:41 pmTerrorism is not going away without a fight. We just need to decide on the location of the battlefield.
Comment by IDidntDoIt — April 23, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
Is this an old 24 episode?
April 23rd, 2007 at 1:43 pmO Lord, how tired I am of all the rhetoric. I am a registered republican, and voted for “W” the FIRST TIME. Where is it written that our labels– Rep, Dem, Lib, Con, Indy, etc. means that we must forego any and all common sense? Anyone who does not see and admit the damages that this administrtion has done to this country is either stupid, criminal or both. Wake-up people, stop blindly following an allegance to a party as many people did in Germany years ago.
April 23rd, 2007 at 1:45 pmComment by IDidntDoIt — April 23, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
Enlisted lately, shit for brains? They need morons over there.
April 23rd, 2007 at 1:48 pmThe most frequent “outside” advice concerning the U.S.’s preemptive intervention in Iraq that the Bush administration is getting is from Henry Kissinger, the guy who put American soldiers into the meatgrinder in Vietnam. Kissinger is a traitor to his country.
April 23rd, 2007 at 1:51 pmReid spoke the truth, plain and simple. This is so unusual
in today’s political climate that it has provoked a firestorm
of criticism.
Harry Reid is a brave man. All praise to him.
April 23rd, 2007 at 1:54 pmSince when does Broder speak for the Democrats when he says Democrats wish Reid would keep quiet?
April 23rd, 2007 at 1:57 pmDemocrats in the country are cheering for Reid, the soft-spoken man, who tells the truth.
Actually, across the country, most American believe, as Reid does, that this war is hopeless. We are involved in the middle of something we cannot resolve; we can only lose more lives.
There will be mayhem and chaos when we leave – there is mayhem and chaos now.
Doesn’t anyone think that the leaders of countries in the region will step forward after we leave? With mayhem and chaos next door, it would behoove them to mediate.
We should leave, and give them a chance – as it stands now, we stay, we lost more Americans, we resolve nothing in Iraq, we create more hatred for us and our presence there.
(BTW, building a wall will surely not go very far in promoting cooperation – a necessary factor in any lasting settlement.)
It’s amazing how badly this war in Iraq has gone for Bush, and how often his administration has been wrong, that anyone would buy any argurment they make. This idea of staying in Iraq to help fight future terrorism is so flawed. It’s creating new potential terrorists by the day. How is it that some of you here actually buy anything Bush says?? Seriously, are you just hoping he’ll eventually be right? Because he has the odds in his favor? I mean nobody can be so wrong as often as this Bush administration has, can it?
April 23rd, 2007 at 1:58 pmThis is for mike Post, the troll:
April 23rd, 2007 at 1:59 pmAP 4/1/07
Kissinger says military vistory no longer possible.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/04/01/asia/AS-GEN-Japan-Iraq-Kissinger.php
Comment by Repo-whores-suk
April 23rd, 2007 at 2:07 pmseems to forget that we were attacked and 3000 people were killed in New York. Its not Bush losing the war, it’s traitors like Reid and Pelosi undermining our soldiers. They need to be thanking those soldiers for dieing and giving them the right to say the stupid things they do.
When does Broder apologize for his embarressment in supporting this disaster?
April 23rd, 2007 at 2:08 pmBy Bush’s own definition, the War is Over. It’s the Reconstruction that’s failed. And what Reid was trying to get across to the Decider was the we won the war, but we lost the peace.
Saddam is gone. Kaput. And when the US Army starts builing Berlin-like walls in downtown Baghdad over the wishes of the Prime Minister, you know the military planners haven’t got a clue what’s going on. I mean, East Germany was trying to prevent people escaping a system that was broken.
What is the point of hanging around when you’re not wanted? Unless the real goal was occupation all along and this nonsense about Freedom & Democracy was just a smokescreen.
April 23rd, 2007 at 2:11 pmThank you, Cal Darnage. It’s amazing how wonderful newspapers can be for settling disagreements over black-and-white facts–like that Kissinger DID say military victory in Iraq is impossible.
In fact, newspapers are great sources for all sorts of facts. Mike Post should pick one up sometime.
April 23rd, 2007 at 2:11 pm#90 If “leave” is the answer, they certainly need to explain to the Iraqi people how us leaving will net them the Democracy, Freedom, and decrease in violence they deserve. If leaving doesn’t net those 3 things, leaving is not the answer. I am not looking for a debate, I am looking for an answer for the Iraqi people. In my mind, leaving will not create a democracy nor will it allow for freedom. If us leaving doesn’t provide that, then leaving is the wrong answer. Of course, you could always go with the heartless route. Maybe this crowd doesn’t care about fixing something we broke. Maybe you don’t care about the future of Iraq and its people. If you don’t care, then yes, leaving is the correct answer indeed.
April 23rd, 2007 at 2:13 pm#122, what if staying will not get thsoe three things? Then what is yoru answer? TO me the answer is obvious, if staying will not get them security etc… and leaving will not either, then I am all for leaving as tleaving at elast pulls our guys out of the meat grinder.
April 23rd, 2007 at 2:19 pm#118 charles
April 23rd, 2007 at 2:21 pmWhat does 9/11 have to do with the war in Iraq?
There is/was no connection – or haven’t you heard?
Broder is the bumbler…
April 23rd, 2007 at 2:23 pmIf we had continued to pursue those who masterminded the 9/11 tragedy, we might not be in the abyss we are today. Instead, Bush abandoned that pursuit – outsourced it, in fact – and instead went off into Iraq under false pretenses, taking full advantage of the shocked and confused state of mind of the general public.
April 23rd, 2007 at 2:26 pmTime to give up the propaganda channels you obviously watch on your television – do a little research.
I was once a soldier many years ago. I can say in all honesty that the only time the words of politicians hurt me or my fellow troops was when they cut funding because they felt that soldiers were not important at the time. What kills me is how anytime someone speaks about iraq they are talking about the soldiers. We are not idiots we do know the difference between policy and our efforts. The only thing that is wrong with reid’s words is they are four years to late
April 23rd, 2007 at 2:41 pmWow. Broder is really falling apart. I wonder if dementia is involved.
April 23rd, 2007 at 2:44 pmThe problem with Iraq is two-fold. The insurgents are like cockroached breading in the baseboards. You can defog one room but they come back from another. American foreign policy in the region has made Bush a poster child for recuitment of extreamists. They will just keep coming.
The country itself has a long history of civil strife between factions and they are not going to come together.
I am sad to say, the Bush policy in Iraq has destabalized it beyond anyone’s wildest dreams. But to the point of Reid’s comments, he is right. These two very seperate issues are not likely to resolve themselves anytime soon.
The only question left is do we want to occupy Iraq indefinately or begin to bring the troops home. We don’t have the manpower or the money (now $419+ billion) to continue this disasterous incursion without end. This is clearly a case of winning the battle and losing the war. It is time to get one with things.
April 23rd, 2007 at 2:54 pmHow can America “win” a war without knowing what signs are present when we win. Does winning mean that we “occupy” and fight in a land where we are not wanted. The latest poll shows a clear majority of Iraqi’s want us out. Millions of affluent Iraqi’s have left the country. Bush and Cheney Corporations are getting “filthy” rich. Tens of billions are not accounted. There is no plan beyond add troups and stay the course. Meanwhile our military is broken, our world prestige has dwindled to insignificance. Our attorney general is a laughing stock with his 72 “I don’t recall.” Reid actually spoke up and said that if we follow Bush’s plan, we have lost. The truth if I have ever read it.
April 23rd, 2007 at 2:57 pmed u cates
What’s embarrassing about Reid’s comment is that the whole idea that Iraq is a “war” that can be “lost” is false to start with. Talking about either winning or losing just plays into W’s hands. Believe it or not, those 30-40% of voters who still support Bush mostly believe we are in pitched battle with al Qaeda in Iraq. Talking about either winning or losing just helps them sustain their delusion. The fact that there is nothing available to be won there has to be made more clearly. Saying we “lost” confuses that critical effort.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:05 pmHarry Reid HAS admitted that his mother worked in SEVERAL whore houses, not just one. I suspect that he doesn’t know who his real father was, and judging by the tenor in his voice, was probably the product of sex between two women. He looks more fitting at a quilt social than the Senate.
Reid and Pelosi will kill the Dems chances to take the presidency yet – just watch.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:06 pm#1
Get your head out of the sand Bushie. The majority of the people want us out of Iraq. 28% doesn’t a majority make. And the majority doesn’t want us out of Iraq because they don’t think we’ve lost the war. It was lost from the start.
Bushies will say anything without fact checking first.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:09 pmThe best line in this article is “It doesn’t matter whether what Harry Reid said was actually true or false, but whether it was impolitic.” NOT!!!! The truth matters and it need to be repeated, frequently and loudly. If people had known the truth before invading Iraq the invasion would never have happened, tens (or hundreds) of thousands of dead people would be alive, Iran wouldn’t have been strengthened, al Qaeda wouldn’t have been strengthened, and we’d be hundreds of billions of dollars less in debt.
Tell the truth, often and loudly.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:14 pmBush’s mother admitted that she IS a WHOREHOUSE, built to look like George Washington.
Bush and the entire family are TRAITORS to the USA, who will burn in hell for their WAR CRIMES, THIEVERY and LIES to the America public and world.
The REAL fact is that Bush and Cheney REFUSED TO TESTIFY UNDER OATH TO THE 9/11 Commission.
That is, they REFUSED TO SWEAR TO GOD TO TELL THE TRUTH about their involvement with 9/11, the Bin Ladens, and Saudi TERRORIST financiers.
And THAT tells us ALL WE NEED TO KNOW about these TRAITORS.
See YOU in hell jason (cause I’LL be THERE),
Mr. Bush
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:16 pmMURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR TO THE USA (TM)
If they would let the silent majority lead instead of the loud mouth ,weak lilly livered cowards that DON’T want a victory in Iraq.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:17 pmWhat would they have done in our battle for independence in 1776,
civil war or would war two.They have all ready showed us what they can do in Korea and Vietnam.The democratic self serving politican in
Washington should be work on a way to fix social security by putting
themselfs on the same program the taxpayer are on.I am not a republican or democrat. I am an AMERICAN.
I am an American, too, Bob F.
Bush and Cheney are TRAITORS to the USA, and deserve to be tried, convicted, and EXECUTED by a US Army firing squad for WAR CRIMES,
which include the deaths of 3200 US soldies, 650,000 Iraqis.
And Bin Laden, the mastermind of 9/11, Bush’s old BUSINESS PARTNER,
is STILL FREE.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:21 pmThe bumbling embarrassment, Mr. Broder, I think you’ll find every morning when you look in the mirror.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:27 pmThis American Military family holds Reid with great respect and realizes he speaks truth.
Additionally, he has a record of really being for
the people not a do-nothing congressmen.
Further, I know I’m not alone as
other military families appreciate him speaking truth!
Unlike many others who wish to “hide” under white napkins seeking WMD brainwash techniques. Or who pretend to actually accomplish something, only to show more failures.
View the weekly events in the last 2 months inside of IRAQ. Results are more failures:
Attacks inside the “safe”green zone,
Attacks on troops living in the gated area,
Death and wounded rate through the roof tops,
Attacks more intense,
Members of the Iraq government killed,
Spread the killing outside of Baghdad and henceforth not all the dead is counted.
We the US military are being “exploited and abused” by these clowns “sitting” in the white house. Further, the ones “sitting” aren’t tending to the people’s business, they are ploting the next election cycle 24/7. And to hell with the people’s business.
Most citizens are wise to the games that the white house is playing with soldiers and their families.
Additionally, since this occupation first started most people realize that their own cost of living has gone to the moon. How is your gas
and the cost of your weekly food?
Wars equate to extreme inflation.
Why do you think gold has reached over 700.00 an ounce today compared with 282.72 on 3/01/2000?
The Cat
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:34 pmHarry Reid HAS admitted that his mother worked in SEVERAL whore houses, not just one. I suspect that he doesn’t know who his real father was, and judging by the tenor in his voice, was probably the product of sex between two women. He looks more fitting at a quilt social than the Senate.
Reid and Pelosi will kill the Dems chances to take the presidency yet – just watch.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
You are a demented moron. Please get help.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:06 pm“As a Democrat I wish more leaders would speak up like Harry Reid. And we don’t need neocon commentators to tell us what’s good for our party.”
Comment by Shane
I agree with you Shane 110%!! As a conservative I HOPE more losers…I mean leaders, join Harry “Surrender” Reid and make more insightful comments about the war. Shane, I am SO happy we could find a meeting of the minds!!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:17 pmActually, I bet it’s Broder who has a small caucus. AHAHAHAHAHAHA! Whoo! Cracked myself up there… and it’s probably true.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:20 pmI stand behind my comments about the silent majority being behind
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:21 pmPRESIDENT BUSH who does not let manitulated polls have a bearing
on his decisions.I don’t know why you liberals are getting on Broder
for when the entire media think that Ried is just a hairs breath away from treason not the president. You people have got to get over Gore in 04.
#137 – Mr. B – So your fellow bloggers and blogettes don’t conclude you are drinking on the job, I have a suggestion. Look up the word traitor. To assist you, here is the definition of treason from Dictionary.com:
1. a crime that undermines the offender’s government
2. disloyalty by virtue of subversive behavior
3. an act of deliberate betrayal [syn: treachery]
Harry “Surrender” aids and assists our enemy with his carelessly strewn opinions. Pssst…Harry, “Loose lips still sink Ships”…
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:26 pm143 – Bob – Excellent suggestion to the opposition to “get over Gore”!! The problem is – they can’t and won’t…. Such a morphing is tantamount to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton ACTUALLY wanting and achieving racial harmony. What would those guys do with no microphones to hunt down, no banners to carry, no funds to raise and spend??
It is interesting to note the Left is comprised of loose organizations with overlapping interests. Personally, I find many of these posters VERY amusing!!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:32 pmIf anyone is a “bumbling embarrassment” it’s Mr. Broder. He is a disgrace to his profession.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:48 pmBob F.–
Bush and Cheney HAVE committed TREASON and ARE TRAITORS TO THE USA.
Tell us—WHY did Bush and Cheney REFUSE to SWEAR TO GOD UNDER OATH TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE 9/11 Commission???
Yup, TREASON, that’s WHY.
And Bin Laden is STILL FREE 5 1/2 years later…
Harry Reid is a PATRIOTIC American who speaks the TRUTH.
See you in hell Bob F. (cause I’LL be THERE),
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:51 pmMr. Bush
MURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR TO THE USA (TM)
This discussion could have easily taken place in the late 60’s. Nixon and Kissinger knew full well that there was really no way to “win” in Viet Nam, but for political purposes, encouraged fellow repubs and conservative dems to call any talk of a pull out “surrender.” We all know that this happened. It’s on tapes. It’s in released transcripts. Now, conservatives are working from exactly the same playbook as Nixon, but with the support and cooperation of a compromised corporate media. Broder is so out of touch with most Americans that it’s pathetic. Remember, Broder and his fellow over-paid and pampered Washington news elite called Al Gore “crazy” and “unhinged” when he had the temerity to suggest that invading Iraq was a mistake.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:55 pmBob F., for your “silent majority” theory to hold water, one would have to believe that people who support Bush consistently fail to answer questions when polled. All polling data indicates that the more conservative a person is, the MORE likely they are to answer a poll, so you’re on shaky ground here. It may be time for you to simply accept the fact that most Americans do not approve of Bush.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:58 pmSenator Harry Reid is to Marshall Pétain as the Democratic Party is to the Vichy Regime.
I would like to interpolate this analogy into the blogosphere to stimulate a discussion of its historical relevancy to the Senator’s recent political statements and others who make similar pronouncements.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:06 pmSenator Harry Reid is to Marshall Pétain as the Democratic Party is to the Vichy Regime.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:07 pmI would like to interpolate this analogy into the blogosphere to stimulate a discussion of its historical relevancy to the Senator’s recent political statements and others who make similar pronouncements.
No. 24 Comment by Sinfonian — April 23, 2007 @ 11:40 am
You prognosticated:
“I predict it won’t be long until some high-level person (media or government) explicitly alleges that the preznit is mentally ill.”
This has already been done by a group of therapists headed by a psychiatrist who studied Bush in depth. This was back in 2003. The book is “Bush on the Couch” by Justin A. Frank.
If you want to truly understand the man who fronts for the neo-con cabal this book is a must read! It explains Bush exactly as we have come to see him. Insightful reading!
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:49 pmI have got to get back to silkscreening more liberial T shirts with stupid saying on them . I tryed to do some conservative one but they didn’t sell they were to intelligent.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:54 pmSenator Harry Reid is to Marshall Pétain as the Democratic Party is to the Vichy Regime. Capitulators never prosper!
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:10 pmGood Afternoon, Valient, sweetie,
I’ve been wondering, do you trolls work out of “boiler rooms” like salesmen do. Do you all get a manual of right wing talking points to refer to and maybe a history book written for troll use which twists history around to suit your purpose? Does your supervisor hang over your shoulder to guage content and results? Like how many “libs” you sucked in today?
Do you get paid a commission? How do you get paid anyway? Commission really doesn’t make sense.
I’m thinking about writing a book about successful trolls. Do you know any. Maybe you could put me in touch with the head troll watcher. That would be a boon!
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:13 pmAnxiously waiting for reply…
Ynaem Newo spelled backwards is Owen Meany. Now aren’t you a clever little troll?
Hey do you and Venus work in the same boiler room?
Maybe I will put you in the book I’m going to write about successful trolls. Are you up for an interview? Pro Bono of course. But just think of the great publicity you would get!
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:18 pmDavid Broder worships Richard Perle and the other PNAC Platoon members and always will. He’s utterly worthless.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:29 pmYou know Mr. Reid is really not all that politically astute. And his remarks are troubling. However they are not false. “The war”….the military mission in Iraq, toppled Saddam Hussein……the war was won….not lost. But “the mission” is all but lost. Due to the arrogance and greed of the Bush administration. Policing Iraq and attempting nation building in the face of stiff oppositon….is an utter failure. A disaster ……and just as GBW’s father’s team told him, going into Bagdad is not going to work. Occupation is almost impossible. Bring home the troups before their victory is squandered.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:36 pmDavid Broder should be more worried about all the embarrassing things he’s said lately, e.g., President Bush rebounding in the polls, for one. His criticism of Senator Reid is merely a case of the pot calling the kettle black. To my mind, Broder has lost all credibility as a journalist. He is now nothing more than a simple-minded, predictable hack for the current administration…
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:43 pmSo, how would you describe the look on Broder’s face?
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:00 pmI am getting sick and tired of the lame excuse you ignorant people and I won’t just say liberals saying that PRESIDENT Bush used go into Iraq . If I’m not mistaken both the House and Senate voted 100% except the looney from Wisconsin. They saw the very same infomation
April 23rd, 2007 at 8:37 pmthe President did .The problem is when the lying news media started to make up story all your self serving politican tried to cover their butts. They are all poll driven. Had all of the politican stayed behind the effort the war would been over along time.The truth be told there isn’t a liberal in washington that want the war to be won. I gues i would say any where else also.
Finally, a democrat has the stones to tell it like it is.
Has any flamethrowing, foamy mouthed, blathermeister from the right offered an argument as to why the war is not lost?
What say you Herr Broder?
April 23rd, 2007 at 8:46 pmBob F. -
Your “silent majority” is positively mute! Has it escaped your attention that nearly 2/3rds of Americans believe that Bush is doing a poor job and disagree wit his conduct of the war? Do you even know what a majority is, or did you lift the phrase “silent majority” from your John Birch primer? I can see why you think Bush is a genius…
April 23rd, 2007 at 8:51 pmif anything, harry reid needs a greater majority in the senate to stop these idiotic and deadly games bush and his cronies are playing and get the country on the right track. bush has done nothing we can easily interpret as being for ‘the good of the country.’ tax cuts don’t count-unless you’re leona helmsley.
April 23rd, 2007 at 9:03 pmIMPEACH! NOW!!
Then prosecute all the bastards and send them to prison for life.
April 23rd, 2007 at 9:12 pmThis war is lost and the surge is not accomplishing anything as indicated by the extreme violence in Iraq yesterday,” Mr. Reid, Nevada Democrat, said at a Capitol Hill press conference with anti-war state legislators. [emphasis added]
April 23rd, 2007 at 10:07 pmThe current plan to withdraw from Iraq is to turn over pieces of territory jurisdiction by jurisdiction when the local law enforcement and military can handle the local problems. So far 4 provinces outside of Kurdistan have been handed over. That doesn’t mean that they’re violence or trouble free but that the military experts judge the locals ready to handle what’s coming.
Kurdistan’s a special case. There’s virtually no terrorism there but they want the US to stay and stay as long as possible to solve their big security worries, external invasion by Turkey and/or Iran. This is a mission that I think we can handle and I’d say that these provinces should be put under any reasonable list of “wins”.
That makes 11 provinces with immature local institutions and a nasty terrorism problem and 7 that are doing ok. If we start having to take over in those seven provinces, I think that’s a reasonable definition of losing. If we keep adding to the 7 (up until a few weeks ago it was 6) that’s a reasonable definition of progress towards eventual victory.
The big picture reality of the war is in how many provinces we’re running and/or are out of control and how many provinces are run by Iraqis and generally quiet. Can we just count the provinces and cheer as the number of the ones we’re running shrink? Who is really going to be unhappy when the next province is turned over to Iraqi institutions? The right will be happy. Will this crew?
April 23rd, 2007 at 10:15 pmWe have been in Germany since 1944. I would support leaving Iraq 64 years after we pull out of Germany. Last time I checked we had 72,000 Army soldiers in Germany. And that doesnt count the other services we have scattered around the globe: Japan, Korea, even Cuba, service men have been there continuously since 1898.
I guess Joe Lieberman will have to fire Reid as Majority Leader.
Say it, and it is so, Joe!
April 23rd, 2007 at 10:45 pmCAPTION CONTEST:
“SO, you wanna be a chickenhawk?”
April 23rd, 2007 at 10:53 pmDang. Lighten up folks. Honestly, do you really talk like this? Embarassing.
Our troops are doing a fantastic job, and it’s only a matter of time until they and the people of Iraq get all of Iraq under control. A democracy in the heart of the Middle East will be a wonderful thing.
Semper Fi
April 23rd, 2007 at 10:54 pmReid has the ‘courage’ to tell it like it is, so courageous in fact that he will continue to fully fund the troops and the effort. Now thats a profile in leadership and courage! After all, he doesn’t have the stones to cut off funding even though that is what he wants to do. Look guys, if the majority of America is in favor of us losing in Iraq and pulling out now how hard can it be to cut off funding – right? Waiting …
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:58 pmIt doesn’t matter if Reid is an idiot or not, he’s ONE OF US!
April 24th, 2007 at 12:07 amThe Democrats in congress have backed themselves in a corner. They cannot afford to let the U.S. to win in Iraq. If they do, they can kiss the presidency “Good Bye†for the next 20 years, and they know it. The fact that they would be putting this country as well as the rest of the world that does not want to live under strict Shira law in jeopardy, and provide the Al-Quida with a stunning victory, and bring adherents into their ranks by the tens of thousands is a small price to pay to return the Democrats to full power in this country.
Where are the Lieberman Democrats? Why are they silent? The Democrats seems determined to snatch defeat out the jaws of victory. They could have claimed full credit for the surge, and the resulting credit for its’ success. After all, the President announced his “New plan†in January, a plan that the Democrats had been calling for the prior two years. They called for more troops, when the “surge†was announced the democrats could have JUSTIFYABLY taken credit for the change in strategy, a strategy that seems to be working.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:08 am#Comment by Shane — April 23, 2007 @ 11:26 am:
As a Democrat I wish more leaders would speak up like Harry Reid. And we don’t need neocon commentators to tell us what’s good for our party.
As a Republican I totally agree. More Democrats need to speak out like Reid.
Why?
The Republicans want a landslide in 2008. Think McGovern ‘72. Reid and other Democrats are just what is required for a Republican landslide.
So yeah. More of Murtha’s slow bleed. I believe it will open a vein in Nov. ‘08.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:40 am2/3s of the American people may be saying Bush is not handling the war well. Not all for the same reason.
Some want more vigorous action against the jihadis. Might be enough of those to form a majority along with those who think Bush is doing OK.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:48 amThe Great Idiot and his Grand Vizier have been empowered in their quest to drive this country into economic and moral bankruptcy by crayon-toting imbeciles like our avuncular Mr. Brody. Do us all a favor Mr. Brody, remove yourself from the talking head circuit so that we may all benefit from the resulting increase in the level of intellectual discourse.
As for Harry Reid, I wish this former pugilist all the best. Hang in there. We’re with you.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:21 amIf the war is lost, why doesn’t Reid lead the way to cut off the funding and end it now?
April 24th, 2007 at 1:27 amGreat! Keep ranting and howling at the moon. Speak so that I may know you.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:56 amI read most all of your posts. This is the stupidest bunch of dumb motherf–kers I have ever read. Cowardly traitors all. Why do you not just join al Qaeda. You have the same goal?
April 24th, 2007 at 2:15 amKissinger’s actual words:
“A ‘military victory’ in the sense of total control over the whole territory, imposed on the entire population, is not possible,” Kissinger told The Associated Press in Tokyo, where he received an honorary degree from Waseda University.”
Odom’s position was that establishing a stable democracy in Iraq was never possible. Many disagree. Besides that, he is not a “senior US military official” as your link heading states. He is retired for years now.
Tony McPeak is also not a senior US military official. He is a retired general. And the Rolling Stone panel you site via TPM is just a joke (Juan Cole is a panel member).
You are just another (rather poor) internet spinmeister and we are all the more stupid for reading your drivel. Just because an idea is CW in your progressive echo chamber, doesn’t make it true. But keep believing that all the way to ‘08.
April 24th, 2007 at 6:17 am“David Broder, the sagely insightful “dean†of the Washington press corps. . . “
Have you ever wondered who coined that phrase? Maybe it was Broder himself.
Or maybe it’s how the MSM rewards a loyal Republican propagandist.
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April 24th, 2007 at 7:04 amDavid Broder is the dean of the Washington Press Corp? I thought Helen Thomas was. I remember when Joe Lieberman was suppose to be the conscience of the senate, what a laugh that is.
Broder is in the same camp with Bill Kristol, Krauthammer and Podhoretz. All of these Israel first zealots want war in the middle east, but using the US military to do it. They are now pushing for an invasion of Iran, again claiming the WMD thing, while Israel, a nuclear nation, gets a pass on its criminal acts. Write your congressman or congresswoman and let them know you want vote for them if they continue to waste our treasury and American lives on a war that benefits a foreign interest.
April 24th, 2007 at 7:45 amThe man is OLD which DOES NOT mean he is WISE.
A future question for the OLD MAN: As a loyalist to
Bush the Butcher, “How many more Americans and innocents must
die while continuing the failed pre-emptive BUSH IRAQ WAR?”
April 24th, 2007 at 8:01 amNever liked Dirty Harry as much as now! Since he’s getting on the nerves of Broder he really must be on to something.
And Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:
April 24th, 2007 at 8:15 amWhy do you not just join the army and fight our supposed friends over there?
The war is about preventing murderous nutcases from taking over and oppressing 24 million people who, themselves, can’t really do anything about murderous nutcases. If they could, they’d have rid themselves of Saddam long ago.
If we leave now, the murderous nutcases will win, and the 24 million helpless people are screwed.
Pol Pot murdered millions of people in Cambodia right after we left Vietnam, convinced by our own press we’d LOST the war that THEIR OWN GENERAL says we had won. It was Jane Fonda and Walter Cronkite who lost the Vietnam war, not the American military.
And now they’re trying to do it again. 2 million died in the killing fields, and liberals don’t give a damn about them and never did.
How many IRaqis will die at the hands of these nutcases? ANd do you care?
Reid is helping our enemies by convincing them that all they have to do is keep killing people and we’ll eventually give up and leave. So they keep killing people. Some of the blame has to go to their encouragers, and now Reid is the top banana in that department.
If we’ve lost the war, then millions of Iraqis will die or be oppressed. OUr withdrawal begins that process. Liberals who whine about (and drastically inflate) the number of Iraqis who’ve died in this conflict cannot claim they truly care about those people if they permit, let alone insist on, our withdrawal on a timetable.
Because that is their death sentence. By the millions.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:26 amI wandered over here from instapundit and find myself astonished. In a way, thanks are deserved here. I had no idea there was this many angry people on the left. I thought the only angry people were on the right (where I am btw). Too bad we’re not all mad about the same things, then MAYBE something would get done.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:47 amLet Reid speak! The more he opens his trap the more the American people can hear what an empty suit he is; he is a walking pile of nothing. And what an orator! What a firebrand! This milk-toast nose picker whose son’s are incredibly rich lobbyists should step down from his majority leader position and sit on the back bench where he belongs. Talk about the Peter Principle. Harry Reid could care less about winning or losing in Iraq. He only cares about winning elections and making his boys rich. I hope they bury him in Yucca Valley.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:58 amThis just came off the Drudge Report……
Irate Marine in Ramadi Responds to ‘War is Lost’ Message
Mon Apr 23 2007 13:07:1 ET
From PatDollard.com:
This Email To Me, Harry, And America, Direct From A Grunt On The Front Lines Of Ramadi, Is Just Hours Old.
view from OP Horea, “Most Dangerous Spot On Earthâ€, Downtown Ramadi. I no shit watched several terrorists die, on several different days, on this small strip of asphalt. We also took many IED strikes on it. This photo is from Corporal Rock.
Today, from Corporal Tyler Rock in an outpost in downtown Ramadi. His first sentence is in response to an email from me:
“yeah i know how you feel. its going to be very weird leaving this place and going back to america. weve been here for almost an entire year and have lived in the center of it the whole time. its crazy that when we got here it was so hectic and now its calmed down so much. so it was awesome to be able to see that turn out.
yeah news worth reporting…. well ramadi was once dubbed by everyone as the worst city in the world. but we have done such a great job here that all the families in the area have worked with us on driving out the insurgency and that we work directly with the IA and the IP’s. the city has been cleaned up so well that the IP’s do most of the patrols now and we go out with them to hand out candy and toys to the children. you can tell that the people want us here to protect them from the thugs and gangs (insurgents). granted they would rather have peace and quiet but they know that if we aren’t here they will be thrown around by the insurgents.
a good example is this one mission we did. long story short we got blown up in multiple buildings and had to run into a families house. i spent my christmas holidays covered in ash from the mortar fire and the IED’s, sleeping under a dirty rug i found in the house. everyone was sleeping way to close for comfort just to stay warm. anyways. a family was there and they obviously didn’t want us there. at least at first. the daughters were very sick so our corpsman treated them. they didn’t have electricity so we got them a generator for power, they were cold so we got them gas heaters, we got them food and water and then we gave them $500. by the end of the week long visit with them we were drinking tea with them. when we left we cleaned their house better than it was when we got there. i even have pictures with the family. they told us that they liked Marines and they would help us as much as they could and they gave us some information on the insurgents in the area. we ended up catching a HUGE target down the road from thier house because of it.
yeah and i got a qoute for that douche harry reid. these families need us here. obviously he has never been in iraq. or at least the area worth seeing. the parts where insurgency is rampant and the buildings are blown to pieces. we need to stay here and help rebuild. if iraq didn’t want us here then why do we have IP’s voluntering everyday to rebuild their cities. and working directly with us too. same with the IA’s. it sucks that iraqi’s have more patriotism for a country that has turned to complete shit more than the people in America who drink starbucks everyday. we could leave this place and say we are sorry to the terrorists. and then we could wait for 3,000 more American civilians to die before we say “hey that’s not nice†again. and the sad thing is after we WIN this war. people like him will say he was there for us the whole time.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:53 pmand for messages back home. i have a wife back home who is going through a tough time. i just can’t wait to be back home and see everyone. haha and i can’t wait to go back home and get some starbucks. i love it when those people serve me. hahahaâ€
Irate Marine Blasts Defeatists
April 24th, 2007 at 12:56 pmRepo-whores-suk
Can you point to a single military defeat in Iraq?
And if so, how can that be an indication a war was lost?
I don’t see the Iraqi army going toe-to-toe with our military. Just a bunch of maladjusted religious freaks who are lucky when they inflict casualties and nothing more than criminals when they attack markets and schools.
Just wanted to make sure intellectual honesty was something you practiced or not. Maybe we should talk about the Civil War and the first few hours of the Normandy invasion so you can acquire some perspective that is accurate and not clouded by your public education.
Hack.
Semper Fi,
spion
April 24th, 2007 at 3:34 pmI too wandered into this food fight by mistake. Well, not exactly by mistake – thank you very little, Glen. Educational, I must say.
In any event, I am the classic swing voter – from Florida. For example, in the governor’s race I voted for the Democrat this time, the Republican the last time. My vote in the 2008 Presidential election is up for grabs – as are the votes of a lot of Instapundit’s regular readers, by the way.
This morning’s St. Pete Times ran the the most persuasive “withdraw from Iraq” editorial that I have read. It argued that the war has been won – rather handily. The U.S. military was charged with overthrowing Hussein. It overthrew Hussein. It then went on to stabilize the country until a new Iraqi government could be elected and installed. The elections took place and the new government is in place. Mission accomplished.
The author went on to argue that the current mission is overexpanding the U.S. role inappropriately (sticking our neck into Iraqi domestic squabbles), and risking failure as well as exorbitant cost, etc..
The writer is clearly correct in noting that the original military action was a resounding success.
The writer is also correct in questioning whether the cost of the current efforts to support the new government are worth the benefit.
That is the point worth debating – for what purposes should the U.S. military remain involved in Iraq, if any.
If the point is how best to bash Bush, then Reid has the right tact – simply call everything a massive failure, claim all is lost and blame it on Bush.
We swing voters decide elections.
We do not like negative campaigns, especially when no alternative is offered.
The more irrational Bush-bashing we hear and read, the more likely we are to support the GOP.
Rational arguments, on the other hand, get our attention.
We swing voters MIGHT vote for a Democrat.
However, we are unlikely to vote for a Democrat unless he or she seriously distances himself or herself from the Senator from Nevada.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:12 amMy first foray into the liberal blogging world. Boy do you people need to take some prozac or what? That is with the exception of this person (Vox Clams)above me (nice honest post). I so love you guys (Bush lied, people died crowd). I think I might come up with a good slogan, try this one on for size… Edwards lied, his hair is dyed (I mean $400 and all). Here are some points for you idiots if you ever want to stay/get anywhere in this world (politically speaking):
1) Embrace some “wet” work. That would be war/killing for you lay people. You all think W has gone to far. My ilk thinks your hero, Bill “I like thick ankles” Clinton didnt go far enough. I mean letting Bin Laden get out of the Sudan alive probably would have only saved 3000+ of our citizens. Nice missle lob on the Chinese embassy though!
2) Learn some history. You guys should read about your soul mates from 1930’s Europe. Only 50 million dead because pacifists and whiners such as yourselves ruled politics.
3) Actually admit to yourselves that you are arrogant, class/race based snobs. How many african-american friends do most of you white liberals have? Then, while you are at it, admit that people like Al Sharpton are idiots. People like Colin Powell are not.
4) Quit being so stupid (part 1). You have the Republicans on the ropes and the best you can do is Hillary, Obama, Headwards, et al. I mean didnt we just have to suffer with Gore and Kerry. Those guys were horrible. Kerry snowboarding and windsurfing didnt win with mainstream America. How in the hell do you think Edwards and his multi million dollar mansion will do it.
5) Quit being so stupid (part 2). Hollywood is not your friend. Rosie Oddball is just that, and gross and disgusting. Alec “little Pig” Baldwin obviously has issues. I could go on and on with this one.
6) Quit being so stupid (part 3). Global Warming is a farce. Taking care of the environment, protecting natural resources, etc. is not. By the way it is snowing here in Colorado tonight.
I could go on and on. Time for bed now. Just some thoughts to ponder!
April 25th, 2007 at 2:27 amI have a couple of friends with bad cases of Bush Derangement Syndrome. They cannot go 30 minutes without some sort of Bush bash. I would say crack but they are not joking. They find no humor in what they are saying.
Until I read this blog, I had no idea of the depth and irrationality of their hatred of Bush.
I now realize that a 20+ year friendship has cooled because one of the friends simply cannot and will not socialize with anyone who voted for
Bush, even those of us who only voted for him once. We are just “Bushies,” judged pathetically inferior human beings because we will not swallow the Democratic party line hook, line and sinker (or if you prefer – Kerry, Pelosi and Reid). The fact that we take a similarly skeptical view toward the Republican party line matters not. Because Bush is deemed evil, rather than “sadly mistaken,” “Bushies” are also considered “evil,” worthy of nothing but contempt and derision.
And now I fear that the other friendship – which goes back four decades – is in jeopardy because I will not join in the constant Bush-bashing.
I could care less how these friends vote. I do not expect my friends to agree with me on everything, especially topics on which we are unlikely to be fully informed (seriously, how many of us REALLY know the status of situations abroad?). Moreover, because I am open-minded, I generally like to listen to other viewpoints, at least when the viewpoints are not filled with irrational venom.
What is most puzzling is that these friends really should not have a care in the world. Both have net worths in the $5M range. Neither has to work, though both do, and the Bush years have been kind to them (particularly considering the fact that when you have a 7-figure net worth, stock market performance is an issue that matters to them).
I could understand someone who has been struggling over the past few years becoming frustrated and searching for a scapegoat. But multi-millionaires acting like the world, including theirs, has gone to hell? Refusing to acknowledge that there is any good news out there – and the bad news is all Bush’s fault?
Is it that they have so much to lose that they are paranoid about losing it?
Or is it just good old fashioned liberal rich guy guilt?
And more importantly, will they get over it in 2009 when Bush leaves office?
April 25th, 2007 at 8:53 amRe: global warming: Strato-spear is clearly correct here. Reducing carbon emissions is a good idea on which everyone can agree. Do you need to know anything about the science of climate change to know that you are in favor of reducing pollution? The fact that this past winter was a cold one up north (and pleasantly cool down here) matters not.
April 25th, 2007 at 9:02 amthis is a great bunch of comments.
lots of caring, angry, sarcastic commentary.
#7
and
#10,
i don’t know if you can amplify,
but i’d love to hear more.
this strikes me as a great “voice of the people” posting.
thanks
talk progress.
no wonder you folks are on the rnc’s hit list.
April 25th, 2007 at 10:10 pmHoly Crap!
Bush supporters are out in force tonight! Too bad they can’t deal with reality on this subject, crying shame in my opinion.
April 26th, 2007 at 6:08 amCapitulators never prosper!
April 26th, 2007 at 11:43 amSenator Harry Reid is to Marshall Pétain as the Democratic Party is to the Vichy Regime.
It hasn’t been said enough. And it should be shouted from the mountaintops. We are losing, and if nothing changes, we will lose. We cannot control the situation in Iraq. Deploying more troops (like, 150,000 to 200,000 more troops) might bring Iraq under control, but there is no way to actually do this. We have simply made too many mistakes. This is an unpleasant fact, and not the sort of thing you want to tell a soldier back from his tour of duty in Iraq, but it is a fact nonetheless.
April 27th, 2007 at 1:31 amReid’s comments are treasonous. Had LTG Petreous said those same comments we would want his immediate retirement. Should we expect less of Senator Reid? He should resign or NV should recall him.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:15 amCan you quote the full Buckley comment, kasinca? I had not heard about that before.
Comment by Mike Post — April 23, 2007 @ 11:37 am
Ignorance is no excuse. And given that you have nothing else, you might as well end it all now.
April 28th, 2007 at 7:04 amHere are some points for you idiots
My IQ’s 170; what’s yours?
April 28th, 2007 at 7:06 amWe are just “Bushies,†judged pathetically inferior human beings because we will not swallow the Democratic party line hook, line and sinker
Or perhaps you’re pathetically inferior human beings because you’re so transparently intellectually dishonest.
April 28th, 2007 at 7:09 amI had no idea there was this many angry people on the left. I thought the only angry people were on the right (where I am btw).
These “I’ve never talked to a liberal before” posts are quite funny, while being sadly indicative of the reality of so many of the clueless right.
April 28th, 2007 at 7:13 amAs a Republican I totally agree. More Democrats need to speak out like Reid.
Why?
The Republicans want a landslide in 2008. Think McGovern ‘72. Reid and other Democrats are just what is required for a Republican landslide.
Aren’t you the same morons who got your asses kicked in 2006, all the while proclaiming that the U.S. had become a one-party nation?
April 28th, 2007 at 7:17 amI have got to get back to silkscreening more liberial T shirts with stupid saying on them . I tryed to do some conservative one but they didn’t sell they were to intelligent.
Comment by Bob F. — April 23, 2007 @ 5:54 pm
Is this an liberal posing as a conservative to make them look bad? No, I don’t think so — most conservatives really are that stupid and illiterate.
April 28th, 2007 at 7:21 amMy biggest worry is that the President will convene the Congress for the entire summer, then I’ll miss my Mental Masturbation Encounter Group up at Tahoe this July-Aug.
May 1st, 2007 at 7:20 pm