Perino Snaps At Crow And David, Demands They Show More ‘Respect’ For President Bush
Perino Snaps At Crow And David, Demands They Show More ‘Respect’ For President Bush
At this afternoon’s White House press conference, spokeswoman Dana Perino launched into a snippy tirade against Sheryl Crow and Laurie David for approaching Karl Rove on Saturday night to discuss the administration’s environmental policies.
“I think it’s unfortunate that people who have an impassioned view about a topic don’t take the time to afford the President the same respect that they are asking for. The President’s record on climate change is very strong,” Perino said. “I don’t know know why they can’t take yes for an answer.” She added, “I wish they would channel some of that Hollywood energy into something constructive rather than baseless finger-pointing.” Watch it:
First of all, in response to affording the President respect, the last time we checked Karl Rove is not the President.
Second, Sheryl Crow and Laurie David did nothing disrespectful towards Rove during the dinner. As David explains, “We asked Mr. Rove if he would consider taking a fresh look at the science of global warming. Much to our dismay, he immediately got combative.” To the extent disrespect was shown, it was exhibited in Rove’s comment that “I don’t work for you, I work for the American people.”
Third, Bush and Cheney’s record on climate change is far from “strong.” They refuse to take the basic step of acknowledging the science that humans are a major contributor to global warming. Moreover, they have reneged on their electoral promise to curb carbon dioxide emissions.
UPDATE: The Washington Times’ offers a profile of Perino:
Mrs. Perino’s work on environmental issues is a passion, fueled by her upbringing in Evanston, Wyo. Growing up, she often helped her grandfather with his annual cattle drive in Newcastle. “She’s a conservationist conservative, with some real solid Western roots,” Mr. Connaughton said. “I’m a strong environmentalist,” said Mrs. Perino, who called the White House’s approach to climate change “a model for the world.”
Transcript:
QUESTION: Can I ask you — there’s been a lot of chatter over the last couple days about this confrontation that Karl Rove allegedly had with a couple of celebrities about global warming, climate change. What was Karl Rove’s reaction to being confronted at the dinner…
PERINO: I think Karl Rove just wanted to have some fun on Saturday night. And I think he wasn’t the only one. I think that it’s unfortunate that people who have an impassioned view about a topic don’t take the time and afford the president the same respect that they are asking for.
The president’s record on climate change is very strong. I do not understand why they can’t take yes for an answer. The president has acknowledged since the beginning of his term that climate change is real. He has a different approach of how to help solve the problems, but that doesn’t mean he hasn’t acted.
We have provided billions of dollars in terms of resources to develop the new technologies that are not only going to help solve that problem, but will also help lift people out of poverty from around the world because they need the clean energy that everyone else needs in order to help their economies grow.
QUESTION: But it was not until this last State of the Union that he mentioned climate change, right? So…
PERINO: Absolutely not.
QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE)
PERINO: In the State of the Union?
QUESTION: In the State of the Union.
PERINO: Well, in the State of the Union, but that doesn’t mean that people weren’t actively working on things. I could point you back to the 2003 State of the Union, in which he announced the FutureGen project, which is a zero-emissions coal-fired power plant which is currently underway in terms of its development and is a 10- year plan.
And what we would hope is that, once we get that technology, we’ll be able to transfer it to developing countries that are going to use coal like Mexico and South Africa and China — which, by the way, is building one power plant a week that uses coal.
PERINO: So we have big climate change challenges ahead of us. And I just wish that they would channel some of that Hollywood energy into something constructive, rather than baseless finger-pointing.
QUESTION: Did Rove leave early because he was angry, because of the…
PERINO: Rove left to get in a motorcade to go home. That’s what we all have to do (inaudible) to the motorcade. I had to stay behind.
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April 23rd, 2007 at 3:02 pmStarting to unravel a wee bit, Ms. Merino?
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:03 pm(Intentional misspelling Exley, if you are watching...)
'free-fallin, free-fallin'
they're pathetic in their response to- well, everything.
Stick a fork in this Administration, they're done.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:05 pmTranslation: We are so damn insecure that we will not tolerate anyone questioning or asking us to look at our actions. Free, open debate exposes our lack of knowledge and awareness of issues so we prefer to scream and yell about being disrespected.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:06 pmgeorgie and his minions will get respect when they decide to show the american people respect. They have to remember that we do not work for them. They work for us. We pay their salaries, not the other way around.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:07 pmFirst of all, in response to affording the President respect, the last time we checked Karl Rove is not the President. - - A Rove by any other name would stink up the presidency.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:07 pmLike I want to respect anything Bush says or does. Respect is earned, not given because you're in a certain position. Bush has done nothing to earn my respect.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:07 pmMaybe saying PudeBoy Rover was the president wasn't so far off, after all! She might have let the cat out of the bag.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:08 pmIs it time to take a page out of the trolls' Cheap Debating Techniques For Dummies manual, and accuse the trolls of anti-semitism when they say anything negative about Laurie David?
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:08 pmKarl just wanted to have fun! Because that is what it is all about. Rapping, and dancing, and joking with everyone.
But Bush needed to be serious because of the VT killings. Yes, 32 college folks is indeed sad...But in previous years Bush joked about finding WMD's all while US troops were dying.
3,324 dead US troops won't put Bush into a bad mood though.
-GSD
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:08 pmThank you Ms. Perino, for confirming that which vast numbers of us have been saying for six+ years now - we have a Howdy Doody as President, with Ol' Turd Blossom playing the role of Buffalo Bob.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:09 pmShe needs to be declawed.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:09 pmFreudian Slip? We all know that Dick Cheney is the President and Karl Rove is the Vice President. She needs to get it straight.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:09 pmPoor Karl. Imagine, being confronted and actually touched by that awful bully Sheryl Crow!
What kind of world must he live in to think that that would be a bad thing?
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:09 pmnext year the Correspondent's Dinner should book somebody like Henny Youngman who is long dead and not bother to invite anybody.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:09 pmMerino will be talking a differnt tune when the money stops coming in for the GOP and their Candidates. Look for the big money to go else where and then Karl Rove will have time for Ms. Crow. Wait for Lance to stop his check and fund rasing events. George W. Bush is the King as nothing is being done to stop this madness. Bush is also the Dictator of Iraq and Maliki just follows his orders. Bush only wants the money Congress is holding back. Cheney is busy packing up his things and moving his money to off shore accounts. Rove is up to his neck in every scandal that has come out so far. When the big money stops Bush/Rove will be on the phone and give a press report on how they apologized to Ms. Crow.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:10 pmKarl Rove. The president?
Hah-hah-ha-ha-ha-heh-heh-heeeee... sigh.
It gets less funny the more I think about it.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:10 pmSaying that the Bush administration's record on climate change is very strong is like saying Wile E. Coyote's record of catching the Roadrunner is very strong.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:10 pm"Second, Sheryl Crow and Laurie David did nothing disrespectful towards Rove during the dinner."
And, of course, Faiz knows this because he was there....Oh, wait...He wasn't? Never mind.
"Some witnesses said David was very aggressive with Rove"
Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/22/AR2007042200353.html
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:12 pmOooooo!
We're gonna have a popularity smack-down contest between Sheryl Crow and Preznit Bush! It's sounds like Dana's afraid of who's gonna win. Not to quote an idiot, but "BRING IT ON!"
We all know that most of Bush's "different approach" is to funnel money to big oil so they can broadcast a bunch of hooey propaganda about how Gore is a loony-toon and Global Warming is a hoax.
We now see what happens when this administration loses control of the media - they fly off the deep end.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:13 pm"I think Karl Rove just wanted to have some fun on Saturday night. And I think he wasn’t the only one."
What an ironic choice of words.
Can you picture Karl singing,
"All I wanna do is have some fun. And I've a feeling I'm not the only one..."
Maybe he could do a little dance too.
Then again, maybe not.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:13 pmRespect??? For Chimpy???
Under normal circumstances, the President is the guy we (the people) choose to do a job...and it's only a temp job, at that.
In Chimpy's case, there is clear evidence that this selection process was compromised in both of his elections...so he's not even the guy we chose.
This jackass has spent his entire presidential career dismantling this nation, stripping us of our freedoms, and making us the laughingstock of the entire planet.
Anyone who demands that we show
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:13 pmfealtyrespect for this drugged-up little chimp with delusions of adequacy deserves exactly the same amount of respect Chimpy himself respects. The ecxact amount I'm referring to, I'll leave as an exercise for the reader.Yep, them there cat-tell-min shur no how ta raise up a fine inviro-mintellist.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:14 pmThe League of Conservation Voters gave President Bush a grade of "F" for his environmental policies. "Very strong record" my a$$. Of course, Bush is used to seeing F's on his report cards.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:16 pmAhhhh, a Cheney Crony. That explains it.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:16 pmRove is the PRESIDENT.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:17 pmWhen Perino said Rove went to the motorcade to go home and that's what they "all had to do," does that mean that these people get Secret Service protection? Or is some firm like Blackwater being paid (with taxpayer money) to provide security for Bush people?
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:18 pm“Some witnesses said David was very aggressive with Roveâ€
Washington Post
Oh, my an aggressive woman...how scary! And how dare she not know to stay in her place and respect men because they are men???? Poor Rive, such a victim!
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:19 pmI hear desperation in Ms. Perino response and Rove's actions towards Sheryl. Though still consciously still in denial, they are starting to see glimmers that their house of cards is falling down around them. Finally...
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:21 pmgeez louise.
Can't this administration take a little criticism? Can't they debate without Swiftboating? What's wrong with addressing current problems without getting defensive?
(trolls, these are rhetorical questions, there is no need to address each one, aka Jake/Dan/Alfred)
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:21 pmSome witnesses said David was very aggressive with Roveâ€
Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2007/ 04/ 22/ AR2007042200353.html
Comment by Exley
Yes, asking our employees a question has now become 'aggressive'. Yeah, that's right - NOT!
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:21 pmExlax misses the point again...
Crow and David's behavior are not the point.. Karl Rove is not the state and neither is Chimpy - which is the prerogative Perino claims today. Rove is a political adviser and is therefore 'fair game' (thanks for that KKKarl).
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:21 pmSo, according to Ann's view a woman can never be rude and a man can never take offense when a woman acts rudely.
Hmmmm...How 19th century of Ann.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:23 pmSo Dana IS another Cheney plant in the White House; beginning to make more sense now. Obviously a good country girl from that land of cowboys and open plains; oh wait, that Newcastle part of Wyoming is coal country ain't it. Massive wholesale destruction of the environment where the only that that drives now are coal trucks and trains. And Evanston is perhaps one of the ugliest damn towns in which to get off the Interstate; only slightly more hospitable (less violent) than Green River and Rawlins, and the center of huge tracts of natural gas exploration and further planetary destruction. If she is a conservative conservationist, she is the direct heir of James Watt: wise use means use it up and throw the rest away.
I am still stuck with just what sort of people those real American's are, that pResident Karl speaks for and to????
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:23 pmHow many times, on a variety of issues, have Bush and the other members of the Bush regime told us the American People who they claim to work for to "go screw," because they were going to do exactly what they wanted to do no matter what the American People had made clear they wanted. I'll show Bush and company respect when we who pay their salaries get it from them. In the meantime, "here the same back to you."
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:24 pmRESPECT for "president" Bush.
How about RESPECT FOR THE RULE OF LAW.
emails DELIVERED to the Congress, and not WITHHELD.
Staff testifying UNDER OATH about WHY the US DOJ has been politicized.
Since this WON'T happen voluntarily by the BushTraitors (TM),
I have NO RESPECT for EVIL WAR CRIMINALS like Bush and Cheney.
P.S. Dana, "go fvck yourself". Another BushTraitor (TM).
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:24 pm"The President’s record on climate change is very strong...â€
Yes, very strongly against acknowledging it.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:25 pm"Comment by Exley — April 23, 2007 @ 3:12 pm"
You call this STONG evidence????
"Some witnesses said David was very aggressive with Rove; a shaken Crow later said that Rove was "combative and unresponsive."
I have "some witness" that says they saw a Jesus the other day too... Does that mean that my witness is as strong as the POPE saying he saw jesus the other day?
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:25 pmNice try, Triple-T, but your attempt at diversion falls flat...as usual.
The point is that TP disingenuously tried to present a one-sided view of the encounter (quoting only David herself) without reference to any other witnesses' opinion on how the event unfolded. As I have show, David's self-serving "I am a victim" whine is disputed by others who were there (whereas Faiz was not there).
Try again.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:27 pm"So, according to Ann’s view a woman can never be rude and a man can never take offense when a woman acts rudely."
Not at all what I said and you know it.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:27 pm"The President's record on climate change is very strong"???
Okay, Dana, I admit it, I was struck by how pretty you are, but your stupid statements are beginning to pile up now. It's not your fault; look at where you work. It's pretty much inevitable that you'll wind up having to defend the indefensible or deny the undeniable.
But we're through, Dana. Pretty doesn't cut it anymore. I don't have a problem with being attracted to a Republican, but I do demand honesty from my fantasy crushes. ...Although, now that I think about it, that comes pretty close to disqualifying all Republicans, doesn't it?
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:28 pmNow, where is the he-man woman-haters' club on this thread? I guess they're still back harping on Sheryl Crow and her audacity to dare to touch King Karl.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:28 pmOh come on Exley, you fu*king people make me sick. You always talk about how tough you are. Take the VT slayings. Some of your pundits have called people cowards for not jumping in front of a gun and then you get all offended when you get asked a question you don't like.
PU$$Y.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:30 pm"...she often helped her grandfather with his annual cattle drive in Newcastle."
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:30 pmShe must have spent way too much time on that saddle horn.
So, according to Ann’s view a woman can never be rude and a man can never take offense when a woman acts rudely.
Hmmmm…How 19th century of Ann.
Comment by Exley
You must have pulled two or three muscles with that stretch, Exley.
**eyes rolling**
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:31 pmFirst of all, in response to affording the President respect, the last time we checked Karl Rove is not the President.
Press Corps: "Um, Ms. Perino, but Karl Rove is not the president!"
Perino: "That's where you're wrong!"
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:31 pmSomeone should bend her over a desk and spank her ass for being such a rubbernecked idiot.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:32 pm"Some witnesses said" Oooh. It's that old "some people said" argument that the right likes to use to bolter their positions. Problem is, when push comes to shove, they can't seem to find those people who said.
I say good on you to Crow and David. I wish that more people would confront Rove and his minions. Just like I loved it when Jim Webb did his smack down of the POTUS. Remember how many Republics said "you have to respect him because he is the POTUS". Well, I'll respect him when he does something to deserve my respect. So far he's batting a big zero!
I weep for what we have become.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:32 pmExley,
Your support for Crow or David acting "rudely" is pretty thin. Rove said they meant to be insulting, and "some witnesses" said David was aggressive. "Some witnesses"???? Not a hallmark of great reporting. They went to the well and all they could come up with was "some witnesses"???
Don't you evaluate the quality of the sources you quote, or do you just search for anything which might be twisted to say what you want it to.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:32 pmOn this topic, I have to agree with the Libs. Global warming is unquestionably the biggest threat to America and the world. Bush is completely wrong with his inaction. We need to set massive reduction in our Co2 emissions right now. A minimum reduction should be 30% and we should shoot for more. Currently, we have no standing in the world to demand that the world's biggest polluters stop. China will surpass the USA THIS YEAR in Co2 emissions. By 2008, China will be #1 and are scheduled to increase their emissions by a staggering 50% or more within the next 10 years. If the USA doesn't get strong on Global warming right now, we stand no chance when we demand that China, India, and Russia clean up their act.
I hope it isn't to late already, but it might be. Even if Europe and the USA cut emissions by 50% (Which we should do) it is meaningless unless we can get China and India to reduce their emissions. They are currently planning to increase their emissions which is insane. They are the biggest threat to the planet at this point and unfortunetly the USA is in no position to demand they stop and start reducing.
This is Bush's largest failure by a mile.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:33 pm37. Excellent point Exley. We should have all who were there give there impression of what happened. Then, we should request if the initial question could be revisited by the White House. Then we can hear open debate on whether or not this administration should alter some of their stances on Global Warming. Maybe there are other solutions than what has bee presented so far.
Do you think a Rock n' Roll star is going to just let the government push their opinion of the events without her responding? You haven't read much history then.
This will only get bigger because Crow is not going to let the WH have the last word.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:34 pmBush officials often sound like brats in need of a good spanking.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:34 pmConfrontation is not Rove's style. He's more of a back-stabber.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:34 pmKarl feels threatened by smart assertive women. Does that surprise anyone?
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:36 pmetiquette trolls unite!!
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:40 pm"Bow to your King!!
Comment by Zooey — April 23, 2007"
Trying to make some point?
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:41 pm#40,
Your attempt to make this trivial incident into some type of "Great Moments in Feminism" is not only comical but also has no basis in any type of fact.
None of us were there, but the only people not involved in the incident who have said anything about the incident so far appear to be saying that David (a noted climate science scholar...Oh, wait...She isn't?) was overly aggressive in accosting Rove.
What we most likely have here are two celebrities (well, one celebrity and one person who was lucky enough to marry a celebrity) -- used to being pampered on hand and foot by Hollywood and music industry toadies and possessing an overdeveloped sense of entitlement -- who were shocked -- SHOCKED -- that someone did not automatically bow down to their great celebrity status and that reality check has bruised their egos.
The fact that TP has devoted three posts to the hurt feeling and bruised egos are Sheryl Crow and Laurie David is really quite an embarassment to this site.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:41 pmGreat post Roger_Roger, except this last statement. This last sentence would only be true if you ignore Iraq. But other than that, it is nice to see you come around on this one. We must lead, not follow. We need to have the moral high ground if we are going to tell India and China to clean up their act. This same argument applies to things like torture. We have to cease all activities relating to torture, if we expect other countries to not torture.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:42 pm"Free, open debate exposes our lack of knowledge and awareness of issues so we prefer to scream and yell about being disrespected.
Comment by SouthWest Bob — April 23, 2007"
What would a liberal know about a free open debate?
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:42 pmMaybe Crow needs to spend some time with Bubble Boy & teach him to play guitar.
Wasn't that what he was pretending to do while New Orleans drowned?
As for you, Ms. Perino, go back to Wyoming & rub elbows with them thar steers. Bullshit suits you much better than pantsuits.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:43 pmNot trying, it came across loud and clear.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:43 pmTrying to make some point?
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:43 pmComment by michael — April 23, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
Still stalking, creepy dude?
#55...Exley, you are pathetic and every one of your posts reinforces that fact.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:44 pmProject much?
It is Rove who got his feelings hurt by some girls.
Ha, what a big blubbering pu$$y.
"Mommy, the girls at school made fun of me."
"STFU Karl and eat your slop you little b!tch."
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:44 pmwell - at least somebody in the white house admitted that bushie isn't really the prez
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:45 pmThe fact that you can post your garbage here and not get banned, but we can't post at redstate without having it deleted at getting banned speaks volumes for which side knows about free speech dumb a$$.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:46 pm#47 Peter,
My point is not to prove conclusively that Crow and David acted rudely. It is to show that there is a dispute about how the incident unfolded and who may have been at fault but that TP disingenuously failed to mention that and simply made a conclusory statement that "Sheryl Crow and Laurie David did nothing disrespectful towards Rove during the dinner." Well, that is very much in question, according to the Post. The only backing for TP's assertion that David and Crow "did nothing disrespectful" is David herself.
Is that a "hallmark of great reporting" for you?
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:46 pmKKKarl wouldn't have slapped Jeff Gannon/ Guckerts' hand ( or, .........) away.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:46 pm“I wish they would channel some of that Hollywood energy into something constructive rather than baseless finger-pointing.â€
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:46 pmI wish they would channel some of that Washington energy into something constructive rather than baseless swift-boating.
I predict that Dana Perino will run screaming and sobbing from the WH very soon.....it's hard to believe that these are adults sometimes.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:47 pmAnd, I think that we SHOULD TREAT THE PRESIDENT AND HIS CRONIES WITH THE RESPECT THAT IS DUE THEM.....which is still hovering around 30%, if you believe the polls.
They've had plenty of years of the kind of "respect" they intimidated out of people, and now it is time for America and the world to see the
PERP MARCH. All of them, linked together like a daisy chain, being herded across the White House lawn to their waiting prison bus(es).
If only.
"Your attempt to make this trivial incident into some type of “Great Moments in Feminism†is not only comical but also has no basis in any type of fact."
Good grief - where are you getting this? I was making reference to the woman-bashing tendency on this blog. Whenever there's a post about a woman, men go crazy making rude,lewd and inappropriate comments. It's like being in a high school locker room. Can't you little boys just grow up?
As for Crow and David being pampered, I think you need to look a bit more closely at the cushy, pampered lifestyle of Karl Rove before you continue in this vein.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:47 pmYour attempt to make this trivial incident...
The fact that TP has devoted three posts to the hurt feeling and bruised egos are Sheryl Crow and Laurie David is really quite an embarassment to this site.
Comment by Exley — April 23, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
trivial, you say? then the press secretary should ignore, correct? But she didn't! so it's trivial for you, and you only.
As for embarrasment. Really? Well, it's all over the news. What's embarassing is the Swift Boating Ms.Crow is taking right now.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:48 pmNo, we can't have a meaningful debate, let's just attack her character instead. Typical
#62
Um, Spudge, it was Crow and David who went crying to the press with their (now disputed) story about Rove been rude to them.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:50 pmWhat would a liberal know about a free open debate?
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:50 pmComment by michael — April 23, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
so sayeth our resident, creepy stalker, who routinely, and undeniably, avoids debate at all costs.
" I was making reference to the woman-bashing tendency on this blog."
I apparently misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that it was Rove who was claiming this sense of male-entitlement. I apologize. I missed your point.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:51 pmIf we are to take the word of Bush saying that Gonzo answered as honestly as he could why shouldn't we take David's word that they did nothing disrespectful?
Exley's mistaken if he thinks this is just hurt feelings. The White House cared enough to discuss it in a Press Briefing. That's not the place for idle chit chat and sports scores. It's where the WH can deliver it's message. This is just a response to their message.
Crow will most likely have a more encompassing response.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:53 pmSomeone should bend her over a desk and spank her ass for being such a rubbernecked idiot.
Comment by kasinca
I could get behind that!
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:53 pmI generally am on the political side of thinkprogress, but I think when you recontextualize or rearrange people's words to make them more offensive, like you do in this headline and like you've done in the past, it makes me take TP less seriously and TP loses credibility in my estimation. If you've got a good quote, use it, if you don't, don't try to construct one.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:53 pm#70 DRxJ,
"then the press secretary should ignore, correct?"
Absolutely! I don't know why she dignified this non-story with a response. Although she did treat it lightly initially by parodying the lyrics to one of Crow's songs. The press corp (and TP) seemed to miss that entirely.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:54 pmUm, Spudge, it was Crow and David who went crying to the press with their (now disputed) story about Rove been rude to them. Comment by Exley — April 23, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
Disputed by whom, ExLax? BHAHAA, you're a st*pid, naive little boy...
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:54 pmClinton did it, too. So did Pelosi.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:54 pm“Some witnesses said David was very aggressive with Roveâ€
Washington Post Comment by Exley — April 23, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
Which witnesses, Dick Cheney?
BAHAHA, st*pid child.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:55 pmRove’s version as quoted in the previous thread: “She came over to insult me and she succeeded.â€
Rove, the Bushmen's Attack Dog, can dish it out from the dark corners under protection of executive privelege and other misuses of power, but he can't take it in the light of day.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:57 pm#37. Exley, you seem like a smart guy. Why do you constantly defend the powerful and privileged? You could use your powers for good.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:57 pm"Clinton did it, too. So did Pelosi."
Pelosi might be able to get away with using one square of toilet paper, but probably not Bill.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:57 pmIt is interesting that this administration has lost any chance to be viewed as having any creditability and they keep doing it to themselves. The bottom line with neoconvicts is that they do not negotiate or use diplomacy to resolve differences. It's my way or the hiway. . . and I get to determine the facts and you get to live with it. The cheney/rove world view dominates this WH and puppet boy george is only a figure head who thinks he's entitled to avoid conflicts with his water carrying cheney/rove views.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:57 pmCheryl Crow calls for limit on toilet paper. What a loon.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6583067.stm
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:58 pmAny intelligent man who is touched by Sheryl Crow knows that can lead to (gulp) PLEASURE! Of course, if you're KKKarl Rove, the opposite reaction can mean that he's never come close to even kissing a woman.
Of course, looking at KKKarl, he's not musch worth for any woman to kiss.
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:59 pmOf course they would be willing to listen to their constituency, the problem was the lack of disrepect demonstrated by Ms. David and Ms. Crow...they didn't make their donations to the RNC as required
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:00 pmThe press corp (and TP) seemed to miss that entirely.
Comment by Exley
But on ManCow, a right wing radio show, this morning, he wanted to discuss her A$$ wiping technique.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:00 pmsuddenly, it's not trivial, it's an attack, to derail the fact that there was a confrontation, to which Karl got pissy and pouted like a child!
Is that a “hallmark of great reporting†for you?
Comment by Exley
Well, "some people" seems to be convincing enough for you. That you take TP to task, using unsourced gossip as proof, is comedy gold. I seem to remember "unnamed sources" getting us stuck in Iraq aw well -- and yet you still swallow "some people" sourcing, whole. Astounding.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:01 pm" I thought you were saying that it was Rove who was claiming this sense of male-entitlement. "
Karl does have a sense of entitlement, but it's not just because he's a male; it's because he's a pampered Washington insider.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:01 pmProof?
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:01 pmRove prefers to the touch of Jeff Gannon, obviously.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:02 pmAirhead Perino now "Pontificator Extraordinaire"....wonders never cease! Where does this neophyte get off telling a sophisticated intellect like Crowe ANYTHING?? Clearly, Perino is "losing it" and much quicker than Snowjob Tony did. Chalk it up to the foolishness of a youngster who only wishes and pretends to have a brain.
To suggest that because Emperor George has now become the "scientific expert" on global warming and to not foster or respect his idiotic global view on stewardship of the environment is tantamount to tomfoolery.
Does Dana really "get" that she's making a total embarrassment of herself? I thinks she's not even enlightened enough to realize that she's a fool - unfortunately.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:03 pmExley, learn to spell, or at least use spellcheck. Embarrassment is spelled with two rs. Also, I think you're projecting on the "how dare you not bow before my overinflated ego" thing. Even if Laurie David was rude, it doesn't excuse Turd Blossom's hostility and weird touchiness (Personally, I think Karl, like a lot of other closeted Republicans, finds women icky). Aren't you wingnuts supposed to be the civility party? Karl wasn't even acting like a grownup.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:03 pmAnd finally, declaring that no one can express an opinion on anything on which they're not an expert is sad and unAmerican. And, which would actually help your side, it would keep George "W stands for Wasted!" Bush eternally mute.
No doubt, a woman's touch is something alien to the Pillsbury Dough Boy....now if that were Gannon/Guckert, that'd be another story entirely.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:04 pmThis all doesn't look good for Rove. Looks like he's a pussy. Attacked by 2 women so he excludes them from being american citizens (in his own head) and says he's insulted.
No man spine in there at all. Rove was bitch slapped and he didn't like it.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:05 pm#82, Matt,
Thank you for the first part of your posting. But I don't think questioning the version of events as decribed by a multi-millionaire recording artist and a wife of a multi-millionaire TV actor and writer is exactly stomping on the weak and helpless. Crow and David are pretty privileged themselves, wouldn't you say?
In any case, I avoided this whole topic through the first two posts. But Faiz's disingenuous, one-sided presentation of the story without reference to the fact that the Washington Post reports that some witnesses fault David was too much for me to ignore.
The "substance" of the story is meaningless...I couldn't care less that a powerful White House official and two multi-millionaire celebrities got into some type of tiff. But when I see TP twisting the facts, it bugs me.
(Prediction: Some poster responds: "You criticizing others for twisting facts, Exley? That's the pot calling the kettle black!!!!)
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:05 pmwho the hell do these people think they are ? scuse me while i bow and scrape
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:06 pm"the fact that the Washington Post reports that some witnesses fault David was too much for me to ignore.
Comment by Exley — April 23, 2007 @ 4:05 pm"
So now you consider ONE witness that is not identified as MANY????
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:09 pmyou can't fix stupid. this cretin appears to believe a cattle drive is "environmental helper" not the disaster it is to all concerned. amazing that someone could be so retarded and the nooz would put a camera on it?
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:11 pmPrediction: by Exley No, we're laughing at how "unnamed sources" is now your gold standard for proof. Hilarious!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:11 pmDoes anybody actually think that Crow and the producer of a "Convenient Lie" actually came over and tried to engage in a civilized discussion? Please, witnesses at the table said she was combative.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:12 pmComment by Barfly — April 23, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
Yes, I though that was rich as well...Exley using the 'some people say' gambit. Apparently, he's been watching too much FOX "news". ^_^
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:13 pmYou've gotta love the Bushies' fix for global warming. "We're going to spend our way outta this one too! Big magical coal plants will be here in about 10 years if we just keep sending your tax money to our cronies! Remember, to our administration, the answer to all problems is magical thinking!"
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:13 pmLet's get Karl on the line for his recollection of these events. Or has that been erased just like Gonzo's memory.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:13 pm#56 How could you possibly think that Bush's failure in Iraq equals his failure on Global warming? Iraq is a little issue that will eventually go away with time and better judgement. Global Warming WILL NOT go away with time. Bad judgement on Global warming means certain death to most of the world. bad judgement on Iraq means we stay there a tad longer and a few more people die. These 2 issues aren't even in the same universe. You are talking about one place where 500,000 to 1 million may die while Global warming my kill billions. If you don't believe Global Warming is the biggest issue, then you fall into that same league as those that simply deny it is real. Belittling it is just as damaging as those that deny it.
It is time we start treating this problem for what it is. A Global killer.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:14 pm(Prediction: Some poster responds: “You criticizing others for twisting facts, Exley? That’s the pot calling the kettle black!!!!) Comment by Exley — April 23, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
At least you KNOW what you do wrong, just like a misbehaving child. Too bad your parents never taught you how to live honorably, honestly and with integrity. Then again, if they had, you'd have been a progressive!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:15 pmSo now you consider ONE witness that is not identified as MANY????
Comment by RemoveBush
The article in the Washington Post said some witnesses, not one.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:16 pmRove prefers to the touch of Jeff Gannon, obviously.
Comment by Matt Jett
We all know that.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:16 pmDoes anybody actually think that Crow and the producer of a “Convenient Lie†actually came over and tried to engage in a civilized discussion? Please, witnesses at the table said she was combative. Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
More projection, from the troll that "came her to engage in civilized discussion?"... You wingnuts are all alike.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:16 pmOnce again, Barfly doesn't do his reading. Check out posting # 65.
Meanwhile, I find it extremely amusing that you uncritically take the self-serving blog posted description of the incident by Crow and David as gospel truth. Barfly: "Wow. Sherly Crow and Laurie David said that's how it happened??? Well, then it MUST be true!"
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:16 pmYep, them there cat-tell-min shur no how ta raise up a fine inviro-mintellist.
Comment by Raven — April 23, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
Just what I was thinking, Raven. Just like those commercial fisherman are interested in marine life.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:16 pmIs that a “hallmark of great reporting†for you?
Comment by Exley — April 23, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
ThinkProgress is not a news source, and Faiz is not a reporter.
I thought by now you'd have that much figured out.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:19 pmMore projection, from the troll that “came her to engage in civilized discussion?â€â€¦ You wingnuts are all alike.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
Projection??? Did your psychiatrist teach you that word? I just went back and read your posts in this thread and you talk about civilized? Hilarious.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:19 pmOnce again, Barfly doesn’t do his reading. Check out posting # 65.
Meanwhile, I find it extremely amusing that you uncritically take the self-serving blog posted description of the incident by Crow and David as gospel truth. Barfly: “Wow. Sherly Crow and Laurie David said that’s how it happened??? Well, then it MUST be true!†Comment by Exley — April 23, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
Asking the president's chief strategist why this administration is ignoring the world of science, and the future of the planet - isn't being disrespectful. Working towards destroying the planet, while ignoring the will of the people is disrespectful.
Being a dishonest, cowardly little piece of sh*t like you and Rove, is disrespectful to the human condition, ExLax.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:20 pm#91 Spudge,
The entire detailed description of the incident that has been accepted uncritically and without any corroboration by TP comes from Crow's and David's own entry on "HuffingtonPost." They are the ones who first went public with this encounter and whined that their feeling were hurt.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laurie-david-and-sheryl-crow/karl-rove-gets-thrown-und_b_46501.html
But I must admit, they are clever. They achieved their objective and got their free publicity for their "Stop Global Warming College Tour"
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:20 pmMeanwhile, I find it extremely amusing that you uncritically take the self-serving blog posted description of the incident by Crow and David as gospel truth. Barfly: “Wow. Sherly Crow and Laurie David said that’s how it happened??? Well, then it MUST be true!â€
Comment by Exley — April 23, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
You're willing to take the word of unnamed sources in the article, but don't believe for one second the word of Laurie David and Sheryl Crow. That's just too rich for words.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:21 pm"The article in the Washington Post said some witnesses, not one.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 4:16 pm"
OK.....
But if they are UNNAMED, it still does not matter!!!!
For all we know the reporter made that up!
Provide the proof of these people so that they can be questioned by multiple sources, then it will matter!
Until then, you really have NOTHING!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:21 pmHat tip to Dana for working in the Cheryl Crow lyric reference at the beginning of the clip. Beyond that, blah. . . blah. . . blah. . .
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:21 pmBut we’re through, Dana. Pretty doesn’t cut it anymore. I don’t have a problem with being attracted to a Republican, but I do demand honesty from my fantasy crushes. …Although, now that I think about it, that comes pretty close to disqualifying all Republicans, doesn’t it?
Comment by KRank — April 23, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
Oh thank goodness, I've been spending my days hoping you'd turn gay before you ended up with that awful woman. What a relief.
Pretend Mom
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:22 pm#97. Exley. That's funny that you would compare two entertainment industry rich women to the main advisor to the most powerful man in the history of the universe. There's no comparison there. Of course, Crow and David are well-to-do rich women. But look at the "constituencies" that they "represent" - 1. the world's poor who will be the most affected and damaged by climate change and 2. multi-billion dollar energy industry executives and stockholders.
And my reflecton on your loyalties really does not center around this post, but your unending loyalty to the robber-baron powerbrokers that want more than anything to maintain the current status quo of wealth and privilege.
So, keep it up man. The rulers that put truth in the backseat in order to maintain their power positions against encroaching Democracy love you.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:22 pm"Not trying, it came across loud and clear.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — April 23, 2007"
To who?
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:23 pmOkay, one more time Exley..
If this is such a non-issue, why are the right wing pundits bringing up Sheryl's suggestion of conserving TP?
And why are the trolls (ditto heads) here (rancid bunny) following lock and step with said attack?
I mean, after all, it's trivial, correct?
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:23 pm"Still stalking, creepy dude?
Comment by DRxJ — April 23, 2007"
Nope! Just trying to keep liberals honest!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:24 pmTo who?
Comment by michael st.stalker — April 23, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
and I now direct you to our great debating skills of our residential, creepy, lurking, probably a peeping tom, troll...
michael
Ta Dah!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:26 pm"#55…Exley, you are pathetic and every one of your posts reinforces that fact.
Comment by Republicans are the Fear and Smear Party"
Care to elaborate on what you disagree with in post # 55?
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:26 pm#113.
"ThinkProgress is not a news source, and Faiz is not a reporter."
You can say THAT again, Gregor!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:27 pmTo who?
Comment by michael — April 23, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
The correct question is "To whom?". Ignorant Jake*ss.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:27 pm"“Mommy, the girls at school made fun of me.â€
“STFU Karl and eat your slop you little b!tch.â€
Comment by Spudge_Boy — April 23, 2007"
My, my, the intelligence exhibited by the left on this blog is inspiring!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:28 pm"Just trying to keep liberals honest!
Comment by michael — April 23, 2007 @ 4:24 pm"
Might I suggest you worry about the Repubs more????
Repubs:
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/01/18/scandal/index.html
Dems:
http://www.boycottliberalism.com/Scandals.htm
Notice how far back this list had to go?????
Most of the listing for the Repubs are VERY CURRENT!!!!!
Please work on your own party before you try to work on your opponents.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:29 pm"The fact that you can post your garbage here and not get banned, but we can’t post at redstate without having it deleted at getting banned speaks volumes for which side knows about free speech dumb a$$.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — April 23, 2007"
If what you post here is an example of what you post on redstate then I don't blame them for deleting garbage!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:30 pmYou can say THAT again, Gregor!
Comment by Exley — April 23, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
And you are not an intellectual, an expert, or remotely competent on any subject you post about...
I'm not sure which is worse. Your disingenuous debates, or michael's claim to want to debate, while acting like a desk hugging coward.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:31 pmMy, my, the intelligence exhibited by the left on this blog is inspiring!
Comment by michael — April 23, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
You critiquing the intellect of others. Perhaps when you learn how to construct a compound sentence, use proper grammar, and what the meaning of the word "debate" is, this won't make you look so st*pid - son.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:32 pm"I wish they would channel some of that Washington energy into something constructive rather than baseless swift-boating.
Comment by Kevin Good — April 23, 2007"
Are you accusing someone of doing something wrong?
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:32 pmExLax, your d*ld* michael is here to support you. I'm surprised you'd let him out of your *ss long enough for him to type for himself!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:32 pmThe fact that TP has devoted three posts to the hurt feeling and bruised egos are Sheryl Crow and Laurie David is really quite an embarassment to this site.
Comment by Exley
Exlax, you're foaming at the mouth. TP is doing just fine, thanks.
But, you Neocons are slobbering all over each other as the walls close in.
I thank KKKarl for his venomous response. Young people all over the Nation will be coming in droves to hear Crow's message, thanks to KKKarl. In fact, I don't think the timing could be better. KKKarl stuck his mouth in his pampered white ass, and you know it, bozo.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:33 pmAre you accusing someone of doing something wrong?
Comment by michael — April 23, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
You've done something right? Prove it!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:33 pm#123 DRxJ,
"why are the right wing pundits bringing up Sheryl’s suggestion of conserving TP?"
I imagine its because Crow is running all over the place today on TV and on blogs to peddle her disputed story about the encounter with Rove and whine about her allegedly hurt feelings and other people who disgree with are tired of her act and want to show how extreme he is on the issue of the worldwide threat posed by toilet paper.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:33 pm"They’ve had plenty of years of the kind of “respect†they intimidated out of people
Comment by loretta — April 23, 2007"
I suppose you can back that dumb statement up?
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:33 pmOK…..
But if they are UNNAMED, it still does not matter!!!!
For all we know the reporter made that up!
Provide the proof of these people so that they can be questioned by multiple sources, then it will matter!
Until then, you really have NOTHING!
Comment by RemoveBush
Do you have any reason to doubt the jounalistic integrity of this writer for the Washinton Post?
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:34 pmBut I must admit, they are clever. They achieved their objective and got their free publicity for their “Stop Global Warming College Tourâ€
Comment by Exley — April 23, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
Yeah, what a waste of time worrying about the planet when we could be happily fearing evil doers and cheering "shock and awe".
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:34 pmIf what you post here is an example of what you post on redstate then I don’t blame them for deleting garbage! Comment by michael — April 23, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
Ah, the lover of propaganda and censorship. Your training is complete, apprentice, you now serve the darkside, and remember that fascism and torture are signs you're a saint!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:34 pm"I think you need to look a bit more closely at the cushy, pampered lifestyle of Karl Rove before you continue in this vein.
Comment by ann — April 23, 2007"
To what are you referring?
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:35 pm"the Swift Boating Ms.Crow is taking right now.
Comment by DRxJ — April 23, 2007"
What do you mean by Swift Boating?
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:36 pmBut if they are UNNAMED, it still does not matter!!!!
For all we know the reporter made that up!
Provide the proof of these people so that they can be questioned by multiple sources, then it will matter!
Until then, you really have NOTHING!
Comment by RemoveBush
Unnamed sources play a key role in journalism. Don't you think Nixon's legacy would be a little different without an unnamed source?
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:37 pm"Yeah, what a waste of time worrying about the planet when we could be happily fearing evil doers and cheering “shock and aweâ€.
Comment by Juan C — April 23, 2007"
What's wrong with the planet?
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:37 pmThe President’s record on climate change is very strong,†Perino said.
Right! Don'cha know, he going to turn Iowa, Illinois, and Nebraska into Corn Factories for Ethanol, so's the cost of corn will go as high as en elephant's eye and no one who actually eats it will afford same.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:38 pm"Do you have any reason to doubt the jounalistic integrity of this writer for the Washinton Post?
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 4:34 pm"
YES!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:38 pmto many McDonalds, michael.......
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:38 pmDo you have any reason to doubt the jounalistic integrity of this writer for the Washinton Post? Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
So if those journalists, were to say in the past have written articles that say bush has been dishonest about Iraq - you'd have no reason to doubt their journalistic integrity?
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:39 pm"You’ve done something right? Prove it!
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — April 23, 2007"
Did you perfect your debating skills in PS 13 on McLean Ave?
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:39 pmTacky, Laurie David....VERY tacky! The White House Correspondents dinner is NOT the place to make your political point - besides.... I thought you already did THAT with "A Convenient Truth". I hope TP lets its audience in on some of the latest environ-wack suggestions:
1 square of TP (the paper product) per bathroom visit should suffice...
the dining sleeve - which would replace paper napkins.... and Kleenex.
What freaks!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:39 pm"Unnamed sources play a key role in journalism. Don’t you think Nixon’s legacy would be a little different without an unnamed source?
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 4:37 pm"
There's a difference in the example you gave and the one in discussion.....
If you can't see that, then it's not worth trying to explain it to you!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:40 pmTo what are you referring?
What do you mean by Swift Boating?
What’s wrong with the planet?
Comment by michael (I'm on the sexual offender registry) — April 23, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
The great debater at his finest. but what do you expect from a Drudge Report cloney?
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:40 pm"YES!
Comment by RemoveBush — April 23, 2007"
Explain?
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:41 pmYES!
Comment by RemoveBush
And your reason is?
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:41 pmThe same liberals who aren't pleased with Karls' reaction to Crowe/David must be tickled pink with the Free Speech Oppressors at the University of Michigan....
Gotta run......
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:42 pmPerino was advised to put on her big girl panties. She has clearly taken that advise to heart, big time.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:43 pmKarl does have a sense of entitlement, but it’s not just because he’s a male; it’s because he’s a pampered Washington insider.
Comment by ann — April 23, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
The nerve of these two bitches. They didn't curtsey and kiss Rove's ring before they dared to ask him a question.
Oh, and tell Exlax to pound sand where the sun don't shine. He thinks TP is embarrassing he better run off with his tail between his legs before his "friends" find him here.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:43 pmTacky, Laurie David….VERY tacky! The White House Correspondents dinner is NOT the place to make your political point - besides…. Comment by valiant venus — April 23, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
There's NEVER a time or place to make a political point for you waco's except maybe when YOU are trying to do it!
I thought you already did THAT with “A Convenient Truthâ€. I hope TP lets its audience in on some of the latest environ-wack suggestions: Comment by valiant venus — April 23, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
Why don't you let the audience in on the latest anti-environment suggestions. Like use more oil, so the RAPTURE happens sooner!
1 square of TP (the paper product) per bathroom visit should suffice… the dining sleeve - which would replace paper napkins…. and Kleenex. What freaks! Comment by valiant venus — April 23, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
You never thought that maybe your toiletry needs was just of a reflection on what a filthy skank you are? But don't like to us venus. We know you never clean up after yourself -that's why the stench when you arrive even makes it through the TUBES.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:43 pmSt*pid c*nt.
So if those journalists, were to say in the past have written articles that say bush has been dishonest about Iraq - you’d have no reason to doubt their journalistic integrity?
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
If they had unnamed sources that said Bush did this or did that no I would have no reason to doubt them at face value.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:45 pmmichael has an unauthorized clone. First he created jake*ss, now he's created this mental disorder clone, that projects his insanity onto liberals. How sad, pathetic...
You'd think this old (well he's senile anyway) loser would get a life, but all he has is spite, hate, and ignorance to inflict on the world. Poor little st*pid piece of sh*t.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:45 pmIf they had unnamed sources that said Bush did this or did that no I would have no reason to doubt them at face value.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
BHAHAAHAHAHA, then bush is a liar. Thanks for playing LOSER!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:45 pm#155, 156
This was a FUNCTION, not some UNDERCOVER SECRET OP!
If they can't provide a more indepth report than that...... Well, then thier report is GARBAGE!!!
They did not have to provide last names..... But they should have atleast provided more information on who was making the counter claim....
THAT IS JOURNALISM!!!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:45 pmAnd STILL none of you loyal BushieNazis will answer:
WHY did Bush and Cheney REFUSE to TESTIFY UNDER OATH TO THE 9/11 Commission?
i.e., SWEAR TO GOD TO TELL THE TRUTH about their involvement with 9/11, the Bin Ladens and the Saudi TERRORIST FINANCIERS???
Come on, BRING IT ON!!!
RESPECT for the "president" Karl Rove?
As Bill Maher said, "I don't allow TRAITORS like Bush and Cheney to question MY patriotism".
Nor do I "respect" them.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:45 pmPerino is as pitiful as they come.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:46 pm"ExLax, your d*ld* michael is here to support you. I’m surprised you’d let him out of your *ss long enough for him to type for himself!
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — April 23, 2007"
I've read about 20 of your posts on this thread today and I've asked some of you to back up some of your statements, explain some of your comments. I haven't received a lot of intelligent responses! As a matter of fact, I haven't received one!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:46 pmOf course, looking at KKKarl, he’s not musch worth for any woman to kiss.
Comment by JIMBO — April 23, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
I don't think he flinches when the like of Jeff Gannon touch him. Or Matt Drudge, who I heard today is gay.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:47 pm“Bow to your King!!
Comment by Zooey — April 23, 2007″
Trying to make some point?
Comment by michael
What part of LEAVE ME THE F*CK ALONE do you not understand?
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:47 pmI will now counter Exley's post with the michael saint stalker school of debate:
I imagine its because Crow is running all over the place today
Really? where?
peddle her disputed story
disputed? how so?
about her allegedly hurt feelings and other people who disgree with are tired of her act
How do you know she was hurt? Who disagrees? Why are they so tired?
want to show how extreme he is on the issue of the worldwide threat posed by toilet paper.
Extreme? How's that? and when did Sheryl become a male?
man that was fun, and I added nothing to the debate (i.e. michael)
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:47 pmThe same liberals who aren’t pleased with Karls’ reaction to Crowe/David must be tickled pink with the Free Speech Oppressors at the University of Michigan…. Gotta run…… Comment by valiant venus — April 23, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
Probably about as tickled as you are, that the GOP keeps the general public out of Bush's events so they can't exercise their free speech - against federal law?
You're such a st*pid little c*nt - Anorexia girl. Eat something, you sound even more deranged, and full of projection than usual! Sad little loser girl!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:47 pmI’ve read about 20 of your posts on this thread today and I’ve asked some of you to back up some of your statements, explain some of your comments. I haven’t received a lot of intelligent responses! As a matter of fact, I haven’t received one! Comment by michael — April 23, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
You've read the posts, yet you haven't been able to debunk a single post, or post anything remotely intelligent yourself. Sad, projection.
You're so st*pid, you don't know you're st*pid. I can see why you were drawn to Ann Coulter!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:48 pmBHAHAAHAHAHA, then bush is a liar. Thanks for playing LOSER!
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
Do you have the article that says that unnamed souces say he lied about something?
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:49 pm[Comment deleted]
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:49 pmThis was a FUNCTION, not some UNDERCOVER SECRET OP!
If they can’t provide a more indepth report than that…… Well, then thier report is GARBAGE!!!
They did not have to provide last names….. But they should have atleast provided more information on who was making the counter claim….
THAT IS JOURNALISM!!!
Comment by RemoveBush
Maybe the sources did not want their names known. Many journalists have done jail time to keep names of sources secret.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:50 pm"WHY did Bush and Cheney REFUSE to TESTIFY UNDER OATH TO THE 9/11 Commission?
Comment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell — April 23, 2007"
Maybe you should ask them?
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:52 pm“What part of LEAVE ME THE F*CK ALONE do you not understand?
Comment by Zooey — April 23, 2007″
Ain’t gonna happen zoo! The longer you continue to post stupid comments, I’m going to be all over you!
Comment by michael
I have asked you at least 6 times to leave me alone, and I expect you to do so.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:52 pmI’m going to be all over you!
Comment by michael(case#132 on the sex offense registry) — April 23, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
Man, you are just plain wierd!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:52 pmYou've got issues.
What's your address? I'll send you $50 so you can relieve your problem downtown!
"Do you have the article that says that unnamed souces say he lied about something?
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 "
Don't hold your breath waiting!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:52 pm"Probably about as tickled as you are, that the GOP keeps the general public out of Bush’s events so they can’t exercise their free speech - against federal law?
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — April 23, 2007"
And what gives you little children the right to interrupt private events?
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:55 pm"I have asked you at least 6 times to leave me alone, and I expect you to do so.
Comment by Zooey — April 23, 2007"
I refer you to #174. Oh, and by the way, grow up!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:56 pmDo you have the article that says that unnamed souces say he lied about something? Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
Poor thing, I was toying with you. You don't even realize that these two writers are "DC Gossip Columnists", do you?
I was waiting to see if ExLax caught this or not, but apparently he's even more SLOW than you - oh mental-disorder boy...
So you're fixated on liberalism being a mental disorder, but did you know that religiosity, homophobia and bigotry are all signs of serious mental disorders? Your name is just more conservative projections, how precious.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:56 pmThe place for harassing Rove is in the courts, the Congress, and the ballot box. Beyond that, he is a human being, regardless of his political beliefs, and deserves the right not to be grabbed without his consent nor subjected to the homophobic insults that these so-called 'progressive' commenters have thrown on him. Crow's status as a mediocre songwriter and pro-athlete's wife does not give her permission to circumvent common decency, and her behavior was, even in the blatantly biased accounts posted by herself, boorish, to say the least. I wish these pseudo-celebrities would stop 'putting themselves out in front of' important issues, all they succeed in doing is reinforcing conservative memes and guzzling more gas in their quixotic 'awareness tours.'
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:57 pmDon’t hold your breath waiting!
Comment by michael — April 23, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
Says the little boy, who's too st*pid to recognize who a *gossip-columnist* is!! BAHAHAHA, dum bass!
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:57 pmone-sided presentation of the story without reference to the fact that the Washington Post reports that some witnesses fault David was too much for me to ignore.
Comment by Exley — April 23, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
Exley this isn't a news channel it's a progressive blog.
And I would bet you never complain that Fox News is only telling one side, do you?
Why don't you go talk to people who think like you do because we just think you're an idiot and that can't be good for your morale.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:57 pmYou can say THAT again, Gregor!
Comment by Exley — April 23, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
Absolutely. You should say it too until it sinks in.
I don't understand what your issue is. The people who run this blog have an opinion, they will support it with news and facts. Sometimes these that are underreported, overlooked news.
Anyone can have a blog to publish their opinion. You can do it too. What is your problem with bloggers not being reporters? You seem to think it's a bad thing. It isn't.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:57 pm#176 Just like a GOOD BushNazi.
Since you CAN'T defend their actions, I'll tell YOU.
They are TRAITORS to the USA, and tied in with the Bin Ladens and Saudi TERRORIST FINANCIERS.
And deserve to be tried, convicted, and EXECUTED by a US Army firing squad composed of soldiers WOUNDED and MAIMED for Bush's TREASON.
I KNOW you can't REALLY DEFEND these TRAITORS.
It's FUNNY watching you SQUIRM "why don't you ask them?".
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
See you in hell michael (cause I'LL be THERE),
Mr. Bush
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:58 pmMURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR TO THE USA (TM)
And what gives you little children the right to interrupt private events? Comment by michael — April 23, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
We weren't there Jake*ss. The people that were there, were all invited, were they not? Maybe if Rove didn't squeal like a little girl, there wouldn't have been such an interruption.
What gives you little children the right to interrupt this blog - wingnut?
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:58 pmPlease, witnesses at the table said she was combative.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
Care to name names of said witnesses, or do you just want to babble. YAWN
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:59 pmSEVERAL of the "events" were NOT private.
Silver-spoon COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR Bush would CRY if he heard what a TRAITOR and AZZHOLE he is...
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:00 pm“I have asked you at least 6 times to leave me alone, and I expect you to do so.
Comment by Zooey — April 23, 2007″
I refer you to #174. Oh, and by the way, grow up!
Comment by michael
I said, LEAVE ME ALONE.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:00 pmPoor thing, I was toying with you. You don’t even realize that these two writers are “DC Gossip Columnistsâ€, do you?
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
And how does the writers being gossip columnists make their unnamed sources fake?
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:00 pmCare to name names of said witnesses, or do you just want to babble. YAWN
Comment by Shane
Could anybody name the unnamed source that tore down the Nixon regime before a year ago?
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:02 pm"And what gives you little children the right to interrupt private events?
Comment by michael — April 23, 2007 @ 4:55 pm"
Hey A$$WIPE!!!!
They either paid to be thier or they were invited!!!!!
I really can't understand the IGNORANCE from the Repuks!
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:03 pmAnd how does the writers being gossip columnists make their unnamed sources fake? Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA, how does the writers being "gossip columnists", rate that they are to be used as a "resource of journalistic integrity".
Are you really that mentally r*t*rded? Gossip columnists by nature do not either claim, nor aspire to use the same journalistic standards - that's why it's called *gossip* - st*pid Jake*ss.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:03 pm"Silver-spoon COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR Bush would CRY if he heard what a TRAITOR and AZZHOLE he is…
Comment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell — April 23, 2007"
Are you in the same 6th grade English class as zooey?
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:04 pmI said, LEAVE ME ALONE.
Comment by Zooey — April 23, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
That's why michael is against abortion. Without r*pe, he'd have no children, and his daughters and sons would never put out.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:04 pmAre you in the same 6th grade English class as zooey?
Comment by michael — April 23, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
Don't worry michael, you shouldn't have so much envy for the "older-children". You'll get out of the 3rd grade - eventually...
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:04 pmI heard "unnamed sources" say that Bush invaded Iraq ILLEGALLY, and that Bush was responsible for the DEATHS of 3300 US soldiers.
And that Bush is a TRAITOR.
So, iby YOUR logic, it MUST BE TRUE, right, BushDisorder???
Actually, it IS true...
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:05 pmEat zhit and DIE, Nazi TRAITOR.
YOU and Bush can BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:06 pmThey are the ones who first went public with this encounter and whined that their feeling were hurt.
But I must admit, they are clever. They achieved their objective and got their free publicity for their “Stop Global Warming College Tourâ€
Comment by Exley — April 23, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
Quite a miscalculation by Mr. Rove. When you treat people disrespectfully you ought to make sure they don't have any clout. David and Crow have been speaking all over the country before this incident and already had press conferences lined up. They didn't have to go looking for people to tell this story to. Rove messes up and Perino tries to cover his ass and you think TP has a problem.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:07 pmBest you can do, Nazi???
Too bad you support little PUNK TRAITORS like Bush.
Makes YOU one also.
But you ALREADY KNEW that!!!
Get to Iraq, Nazi.
Your GLORIOUS FUHRER needs you for "cannon-fodder", er, SURGE MATERIAL!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
See you in hell michael (cause I'LL be THERE),
Mr. Bush
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:08 pmMURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
"michael"'s GLORIOUS FUHRER (TM)
To everybody that matters. It wasn't clear to you, because you are a worthless piece of sh!t that doesn't matter. You are a 28%er. So, you have no value and your opinion is useless.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:09 pmWhy would I pretend that anything Karl or his mommy said is intelligent. You don't want me lying like you guys do you?
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:10 pmI think that Karl Rove is frightened of women in general. Come to think of it, I think Karl Rove is frightened of people in general.
How dare though for a commoner like Sheryl Crow and Laurie David try and touch the flesh of the Royal Rove. I meant they are both in show biz, don't they know a QUEEN when the see one.
Karl Rove = Elton John without any talent or artificial hair...or brains...or a handsome boyfriend
jack jett
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:11 pmBAHAHAHAHAHAHA, how does the writers being “gossip columnistsâ€, rate that they are to be used as a “resource of journalistic integrityâ€.
Are you really that mentally r*t*rded? Gossip columnists by nature do not either claim, nor aspire to use the same journalistic standards - that’s why it’s called *gossip* - st*pid Jake*ss.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
It still does not show that the sources are made up? Nobody is questioning that the confontation took place? What would the writer have to gain from putting in a one liner about Crow being rude? Your argument here has no legs.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:11 pmAnd those people are probably scared of their shadow, loyal bushies like you.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:12 pmAnd that Bush is a TRAITOR.
So, iby YOUR logic, it MUST BE TRUE, right, BushDisorder???
Actually, it IS true…
Comment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell
Are you a journalist?
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:12 pmAre you accusing someone of doing something wrong?
Comment by michael — April 23, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
Are you suggesting this administration has done something right?
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:12 pmThat’s why michael is against abortion. Without r*pe, he’d have no children, and his daughters and sons would never put out.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
Comments like this make my name very true.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:13 pmAnd those people are probably scared of their shadow, loyal bushies like you.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
I don't support Bush, I just can't stand liberals.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:14 pm“They’ve had plenty of years of the kind of “respect†they intimidated out of people
Comment by loretta — April 23, 2007″
I suppose you can back that dumb statement up?
Comment by michael — April 23, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
Can you come up with anybody who will say these are honorable people?
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:14 pmmichael: "Don’t hold your breath waiting!"
I assume this remark is meant to imply that nobody has any evidence that Bush has lied about anything. I find this position to be so bizarre. Of course he's lied. There are lists of his lies all over the net. One of my favorites:
"The fundamental question is, did Saddam Hussein have a weapons program? And the answer is, absolutely. And we gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in. And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him from power..."
Bush said this in June of '03, but everybody knew that Saddam HAD let a fully equipped UN Inspection team into the country. Bush, if you remember, told the inspectors that they had to leave for their own safety because he was going to go ahead with his "shock and awe." So, there's one example - the president lied to the public about the most important of matters, going to war.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:14 pm#186, Gregor,
"The people who run this blog have an opinion, they will support it with news and facts."
THAT'S the problem, Gregor. In this case, they didn't support their opinion with facts. TP reported this incident as established truth, citing only one side and disingenuously ignoring another set of competing facts. TP cited only David's and Crow's HuffingtonPost blog and reported it as fact. That is dishonest.
As the saying goes, people are entitled to their own opinion. People are not entitled to own facts.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:15 pmDo you have any reason to doubt the jounalistic integrity of this writer for the Washinton Post?
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
Yes, the fact that you right wing nuts are quoting the writer is all the evidence we need.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:15 pmTo what are you referring?
Comment by michael — April 23, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
To what are YOU referring, michael?
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:17 pmMy, my, the intelligence exhibited by the left on this blog is inspiring!
Comment by michael — April 23, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
We're trying to keep it simple so you can understand but apparently it's not working.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:18 pmThat is dishonest.
As the saying goes, people are entitled to their own opinion. People are not entitled to own facts.
Comment by Exley
That's very interesting, Exley, since you put up a quote on the Reid thread that was completely out of context, hence making it dishonest.
Do you hold us to higher standard than you hold yourself?
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:18 pmI know you are but what am I.
Better trolls please TP. The ones we have are starting to smell funny and have some fuzzy green stuff around the edges.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:19 pmTo what are YOU referring, michael?
Comment by Shane
Heh.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:19 pmExley: "TP cited only David’s and Crow’s HuffingtonPost blog and reported it as fact. That is dishonest."
No, it's opinion. This is dishonest: "Simply put, there is no doubt that Saddam has reconstituted his nuclear weapons program." -- Dick Cheney
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:20 pmUnnamed sources play a key role in journalism. Don’t you think Nixon’s legacy would be a little different without an unnamed source?
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
Unnamed witnesses at a dinner party? What a moron.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:20 pmDee dee dee.
We are progressives, dumb fu*k.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:20 pmYes, the fact that you right wing nuts are quoting the writer is all the evidence we need.
Comment by Shane
This article is the only thing we have to go by. It does give Crow's quotes. Are you okay with hers?
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:21 pmUm.. Was I asleep when Bush abdicated? When did Rove become president?
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:22 pmWhat freaks!
Comment by valiant venus — April 23, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
You're calling somebody else a tacky freak. That's a good one.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:22 pmComment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
Unnamed witnesses at a dinner party? What a moron.
Comment by Shane
Why does the location matter? Would you rather they be hiding in a parking garage?
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:23 pm"I don’t support Bush, I just can’t stand liberals.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 5:14 pm"
Right back at you....
I just love how the Repubs are all for smaller government, yet have created the LARGEST government in HISTORY.
Or how they don't want the government to get into peoples lives, but want to listen to peoples phone calls and read thier emails, and tell them what they can and cannot do in the bedroom.
Or how they claim that a fetus is life and they fight tooth and nail to protect it, until it's born and then it's on it's own..... And they could care less about life once it has exited the vagina, because then it's just cannon fodder for thier killing.
Or how they are the "Family Value" party, but there are more GAYS and child molesters in thier party then god has angels......
So I feel the same way about the Republicans...
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:24 pmYou never thought that maybe your toiletry needs was just of a reflection on what a filthy skank you are? But don’t like to us venus. We know you never clean up after yourself -that’s why the stench when you arrive even makes it through the TUBES.
St*pid c*nt.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — April 23, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
Why does Venereal Venom need toilet paper when she spends the day with her face in the toilet. Probably because she has to get her head out of her ass first.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:26 pmDee dee dee.
We are progressives, dumb fu*k.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Different name, same mental illness.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:28 pmSo I feel the same way about the Republicans…
Comment by RemoveBush
I consider myself a conservative, not a republican.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:29 pmI’ve read about 20 of your posts on this thread today and I’ve asked some of you to back up some of your statements, explain some of your comments. I haven’t received a lot of intelligent responses! As a matter of fact, I haven’t received one!
Comment by michael — April 23, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
We don't owe you responses or explanations. We don't owe you shit. You support the traitor in the White House and all his cronies. You owe us an explanation. Why do you support Bush, Cheney and Rove?
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:30 pm"THAT’S the problem, Gregor. In this case, they didn’t support their opinion with facts. TP reported this incident as established truth, citing only one side and disingenuously ignoring another set of competing facts. TP cited only David’s and Crow’s HuffingtonPost blog and reported it as fact. That is dishonest.
As the saying goes, people are entitled to their own opinion. People are not entitled to own facts.
Comment by Exley — April 23, 2007 @ 5:15 pm"
Fine.... Provide the Names of the other people who where witnesses and then the story will have a little more credibility.... It's not like it's a SECRET meeting, so there should be no reason for the journalist NOT to provide a name or names of the people who counter these claims.....
I have a witness that says that Bush fabricated the Niger document himself and has ordered at least a 100 executions of American people..... Do you discount my witnesses???? If so, why??
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:31 pmDifferent name, same mental illness.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
So you hate liberals and progressives.
Who do you like? Who makes you stand up and cheer?
Examples, please.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:31 pmDo you have the article that says that unnamed souces say he lied about something?
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
Do you have one that says he didn't. Tell us one thing Bush tells the truth about. Then tell us why you support these traitors.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:32 pmhe longer you continue to post stupid comments, I’m going to be all over you!
Comment by michael — April 23, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
Michael you wouldn't know stupid if it hit you in the groin. And anything that hit you in that area wouldn't know it hit anything.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:34 pmAnd what gives you little children the right to interrupt private events?
Comment by michael — April 23, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
And what gives the administration the right to stop free speech. Don't you believe in the constitution.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:35 pmSo you hate liberals and progressives.
Who do you like? Who makes you stand up and cheer?
Examples, please.
Comment by Zooey
Stand up and cheer? Not sure what you mean there. I believe that both republicans and democrats are both parties that are totally corrupt. I support true conservatives. Unfortunately there are not many left at the moment.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:37 pmCrow’s status as a mediocre songwriter and pro-athlete’s wife
Comment by Klaus — April 23, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
What "pro athlete" do you think she's married to?
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:38 pmAnd what gives the administration the right to stop free speech. Don’t you believe in the constitution.
Comment by Shane
I don't consider it free speech for somebody to come to a private dinner I am having and attack me.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:38 pmExaclty, she was dumped.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:39 pmDo you have one that says he didn’t. Tell us one thing Bush tells the truth about. Then tell us why you support these traitors.
Comment by Shane
What are you talking about? I don't support Bush, but it is kinda hard to prove disprove a negative here. A source that says he didn't lie? What are you talking about?
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:40 pmCould anybody name the unnamed source that tore down the Nixon regime before a year ago?
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 5:02 pm
This wasn't "Deep Throat" it was a dinner party. Care to tell us why you support the traitor and his cronies?
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:41 pm#218, That is not correct, Zooey. As I demonstrably proved, I did provide the full ink to Reid's speech. You and the other poster just happen to miss that. That's okay...No big deal.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:42 pmAre you a journalist?
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
Are you an idiot? That was rhetorical.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:45 pmI don’t support Bush, I just can’t stand liberals.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
L I A R
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:46 pmThis wasn’t “Deep Throat†it was a dinner party. Care to tell us why you support the traitor and his cronies?
Comment by Shane
What are you talking about? I have sated that I don't support Bush. However, I also believe that Crow and the producer were combative? What is wrong with that?
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:47 pmAs the saying goes, people are entitled to their own opinion. People are not entitled to own facts.
Comment by Exley — April 23, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
You're not entitled to come here and tell us what to think.
When you can explain why you support that traitor Bush and his cronies maybe somebody will want to hear what you have to say. Otherwise just keep up the stupid blubbering. Nobody cares.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:48 pmAre you an idiot? That was rhetorical.
Comment by Shane
You were saying that since you said unnamed sources told you something I must believe it, because I believe the journalist here. Since you are not a journalist, I don't think your hypothetical applies here.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:50 pmThis article is the only thing we have to go by. It does give Crow’s quotes. Are you okay with hers?
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Believe her's before that known liar and filth spreader Rove. Why do you support the criminals in the White House?
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:50 pmI don’t support Bush, I just can’t stand liberals.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
L I A R
Comment by Shane
Why do you think that Bush has an approval rating in the 20s? Do you actually think that conservatives make up only 20% of the country?
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:51 pmUnnamed witnesses at a dinner party? What a moron.
Comment by Shane
Why does the location matter? Would you rather they be hiding in a parking garage?
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
The incident happened at a dinner party. Why are witnesses unknown? Do I need to draw you a diagram?
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:52 pm"“I think it’s unfortunate that people who have an impassioned view about a topic don’t take the time to afford the President the same respect that they are asking for."
Dana, you gotta quit doing those sets of deep knee bends over those fire plugs!!! The knobs are brusing your brain something fierce.
When that son of a bitch (look at his mom) earns respect, he will surely see it, but if respect should be for drunk driving, sniffing cocaine, taking his teen age queen to an abortion clinic, deserting the military in time of war, being a two faced lieing piece of dog feces, rigging elections, insider stock trading, killing 600,000 to a million innocent civilians and the deaths of thousands of my brothers and sisters in uniform along with discarding those who have returned grieviously wounded in body and mind then he is (in your mind) the most respectable person on the planet, and even your Jesus Christ isn't fit to wash his feet, let alone shine his shoes...
As far as I am concerned, I wipe cleaner shit off my boots when I return from the barnyard...
Can't wait for the day that wheels of justice turn, and grind you and those like you into dust... Only problem with that is where are we going to store such a large amount of contaminated crap?
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:54 pmI consider myself a conservative, not a republican.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
Uh, you must have mistook us for people who give a shit. Consider yourself a loser.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:54 pmThe incident happened at a dinner party. Why are witnesses unknown? Do I need to draw you a diagram?
Comment by Shane
Not unknown, just unnamed. Did it ever occur to you that they didn't want to be involved with this? If that is the case I applaud the journalist.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:55 pmWhat if Global Warming is NOT caused by humans, but as a natural course of planetary climate change? There is a LOT of anecdotal evidence to show that there has been been warming trends in our earth's history. Even the roman empire noted at one time grapes were growing farther south than they used to grow.
I have read a lot, and studied this topic, and yes i will agree that we are in a global warming trend, (and old enough to remember in the mid 70's the scientists claming we were in a global cooling trend being cause by humans). However all the evidence and most of the scientists, even the U.N report say that they "BELIEVE" the trend is Human caused. They never come out and say definitive, because there IS enough evidence to suggest it's a natural turn of events.
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:56 pmStand up and cheer? Not sure what you mean there. I believe that both republicans and democrats are both parties that are totally corrupt. I support true conservatives. Unfortunately there are not many left at the moment.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
And you are a LIAR who is here supporting the administration, especially that despicable piece of filth Rove. And you think liberals are crazy. You must be out of your freakin' mind to think we believe anything you Bush supporters have to say.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:00 pmUh, you must have mistook us for people who give a shit. Consider yourself a loser.
Comment by Shane
Reason #19999897698696, why liberals/progressives are pathetic.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:01 pmI don’t consider it free speech for somebody to come to a private dinner I am having and attack me.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
It wasn't a "private dinner party" and everybody there was invited or donated to be there.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:01 pm#248,
Shane, I am not here (certainly not on this particular thread) to tell people what to think. I am here to state my opinion and, in this case, provide some information that was in The Washington Post that TP chose not to include since it seemingly undermined Crow's and David's version of events.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:02 pmAre you an idiot? That was rhetorical.
Comment by Shane
You were saying that since you said unnamed sources told you something I must believe it, because I believe the journalist here. Since you are not a journalist, I don’t think your hypothetical applies here.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
YOU said unamed sources told YOU something and I said I didn't believe it because sources at a dinner party should be named. Why wouldn't they. Maybe because they don't exist.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:04 pmWhat are you talking about? I have sated that I don’t support Bush. However, I also believe that Crow and the producer were combative? What is wrong with that?
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
Why are you here if you're not supporting Bush and Rove?
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:06 pmYOU said unamed sources told YOU something and I said I didn’t believe it because sources at a dinner party should be named. Why wouldn’t they. Maybe because they don’t exist.
Comment by Shane
If they don't want to be involved, I'm glad that the journalist respected their desire for privacy. Why would the writer put that line in there at the end if it were untrue? What was the motive?
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:06 pmI support true conservatives. Unfortunately there are not many left at the moment.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
I'm guessing that since you are unable to provide any examples of "true conservatism," that you stand fo rnothing. Thanks.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:06 pmIt wasn’t a “private dinner party†and everybody there was invited or donated to be there.
Comment by Shane
How much did Crow donate to be there?
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:07 pmHow about, Doug, we stop playing the blame game, and we look for a way, Doug, regardless of what the cause of global warming may be, we look for ways to prevent these climate changes and warming trends to become catastrophic. All we can cause at this point is whether or not we keep things the way they are, or we lose millions at a result of global warming, or we go extinct altogether (unlikely, but hey, might as well throw out the possibilities).
In essence, let's stop worrying about what is happening, and let's start rectifying this dilemma. Oh yes, and who cares about polar ice caps melting on Mars. Last time I checked, Earth is where we live (not accusing you of anything, Doug, but that's gotta be the worst argument I've heard- It's getting warmer on Mars! We're doomed!)
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:07 pmThey never come out and say definitive, because there IS enough evidence to suggest it’s a natural turn of events.
Comment by Douglas G. — April 23, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
So do nothing and err on the side of stupid. Moron.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:08 pmHey liberalism=mental disorder,
What's Reason #19999897698695? Are you keeping count? Tally ho! Bwhahahaha!
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:09 pmI’m guessing that since you are unable to provide any examples of “true conservatism,†that you stand fo rnothing. Thanks.
Comment by Zooey
Could not be further from the truth. Interesting that you would take that from what I said. I said that there are not many options that are not corrupted and are true conservatives in Washington. So yes I guess you could say I stand for no president, senator or congressman, that does not mean I don't stand for anything, it actually means quite the opposite.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:09 pmThey never come out and say definitive, because there IS enough evidence to suggest it’s a natural turn of events.
Comment by Douglas G.
Well, Doug G has read something about global warming. Case closed.
Reputable scientists will NEVER come out and say ANYTHING definitively, because that's not how they do things. Please read up on the scientific method.
What's it gonna take for you to try to understand, Doug?
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:11 pmFamine? Mass desertification? Coastlines being totally swamped?
So yes I guess you could say I stand for no president, senator or congressman, that does not mean I don’t stand for anything, it actually means quite the opposite.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
What do you stand for? Specifically.
Why do you hate liberals & progressives? Specifically.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:13 pmReason #19999897698696, why liberals/progressives are pathetic.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
Reason we hate neocons, traitors in the White House supported by traitors here.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:16 pmHow much did Crow donate to be there?
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
The question is why are you here and why do you support the traitors in the White House?
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:18 pmComment by Zooey
Could not be further from the truth. Interesting that you would take that from what I said. I said that there are not many options that are not corrupted and are true conservatives in Washington. So yes I guess you could say I stand for no president, senator or congressman, that does not mean I don’t stand for anything, it actually means quite the opposite.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
Somebody's starting to sound Jakeish.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:20 pmSomebody’s starting to sound Jakeish.
Comment by Shane
Nah, just trollish. I just want to know what he has against liberals & progressives, specifically, and what he actually stands for -- other than coming here and spouting his hateful rhetoric.
Demanding....I know.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:25 pmI guess liberalism=mental disorder doesn't have an answer to my question.
Surprised? No.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:32 pmWhat do you stand for? Specifically.
Why do you hate liberals & progressives? Specifically.
Comment by Zooey
I wouldn't say that I hate liberals per se, I hate liberalism. I believe it is an ideology that "tries" to help, but actually makes things worse. Petty lawsuits have been a prime example of how mad liberalism can be. The constant coddling of bottom feeders of society by liberalism results in repeat crimes. Policemen are constantly under attack because of liberalism, while criminals are set free to offend again. Liberalism cares more about mass murderers more than innocent unborn babies. Liberalism is trying to destruct the thing that has made our country prosper ( the traditional family). Liberalism routinely has criticisms without any solutionssoltutions. Liberalism while good in intentions is a mental disorder.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:34 pmThe question is why are you here and why do you support the traitors in the White House?
Comment by Shane
I could have sworn that I said I don't support Bush. Can you read?
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:35 pmDana, our little woodenhead president is a sack of shit that ruins everything he comes near and he will ruin you too.
There is the respect that he actually deserves.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:35 pmPerino delivers her talking points with the detached coldness of a serial killer.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:36 pmLiberalism routinely has criticisms without any solutionssoltutions. Liberalism while good in intentions is a mental disorder.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
What would be your ideal "conservative" solution?
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:42 pmNah, just trollish. I just want to know what he has against liberals & progressives, specifically, and what he actually stands for — other than coming here and spouting his hateful rhetoric.
Demanding….I know.
Comment by Zooey
What did I say that was hateful?
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:44 pmneo-conservatism = spiritual disorder
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:46 pmWhat would be your ideal “conservative†solution?
Comment by Zooey
To what?
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:48 pmI wonder what would happen if a White House press corp type asked Ms. Perino "where have all the Honeybees gone"??
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:49 pmAwww.......................George is so sensitive..............Iguess he just can't take any kind of criticism.................what a lame ass.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:51 pmWhat did I say that was hateful?
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
I would start with your moniker....
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:54 pmTo what?
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
To use your own words: Can you read?
Your "conservative" solutions to the problem of liberalism. Specifically.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:56 pmI don't think it is hate-filled, merely an observation.
Do you have a problem with this name?
Republicans are the Fear and Smear Party
If not then you should not have a problem with mine.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:03 pmTo use your own words: Can you read?
Your “conservative†solutions to the problem of liberalism. Specifically.
Comment by Zooey
Why would you ask if I can read and then ask a question that you have never posted before? What exactly was I supposed to have read? Anyway, as for the problem of liberalism, I don't see an actual solution as it is an ideology, not so much an act. I suppose that the best solution would be education to show how liberalism fails in a society. There will always be liberalism, controlling it's reach is the real problem.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:06 pm#290 - liberalism=mental disorder
Well, you responded to the question I didn't ask...
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/23/perino-crow-david/#comment-3765311
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:09 pmAnyway, as for the problem of liberalism, I don’t see an actual solution as it is an ideology, not so much an act. I suppose that the best solution would be education to show how liberalism fails in a society. There will always be liberalism, controlling it’s reach is the real problem.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
Are you saying Conservatism is NOT an ideology?
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:11 pmHow has Conservatism been successful in society?
actually, if you do any research you will find many studies that Conservatism is a mental disorder. conservatives are aggresive, rigid and intolerant... in other words leaning heavily towards authoritarianism... "Liberalism is a disorder" is just some dumb book title by a republican radio personality... Michale Savage... a quack... just like you.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:13 pm"I support true conservatives. Unfortunately there are not many left at the moment."
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
When you say "true conservatives," are you thinking Edmund Burke, the father of modern conservative philosophy? Just asking, because maybe you didn't know that most of our Founders couldn't stand the guy.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:14 pm#290 - liberalism=mental disorder
Well, you responded to the question I didn’t ask…
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 04/ 23/ perino-crow-david/ #comment-3765311
Comment by Zooey
I'm sorry, I am having trouble figuring out what your question is. Are you asking what the solution to liberalism is? If so I believe I answered it the best I could. If not, then I don't know what you are asking. Are you even asking a question here?
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:16 pmI don’t think it is hate-filled, merely an observation.
Do you have a problem with this name?
Republicans are the Fear and Smear Party
If not then you should not have a problem with mine.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
I perceive your moniker as hateful and non-productive.
I'm not having a conversation with Republicans are the Fear and Smear Party. You asked me what you said that was hateful, and I answered your question.
The Republican Party does play on the peoples' fears by constantly smacking them with 9/11 and fighting the terrorists over there, so we don't have to fight them over here; the Republican Party does smear people by "Swift Boating" them.
Do you deny it?
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:16 pmAre you saying Conservatism is NOT an ideology?
How has Conservatism been successful in society?
Comment by Zooey
Of course conservatism is an ideology. Conservatism has, especially fiscal conservatism, had a great influence in the growth of America itself. If the basic economics of conservatism, true conservatism there is much more wealth for the entire nation.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:18 pmConservative: "I suppose that the best solution would be education to show how liberalism fails in a society."
OK, I'll play. I say New Deal programs given a couple of decades to work their magic created the strongest middle class in the history of our country from the 50's, and into the 60's and middle 70's. That the middle class in America reached its peak in buying power and quality of life in the 70's is indesputable. The middle class began its slide in the early 80's, after Reagan had won and the new conservative/libertarian attack on government began and here we are today with the weakest middle class since right before the Great Republican Depression of the 30's.
So, I say, that modern conservatism has been bad for the American middle class. OK, now it's your turn to make a cogent argument about how liberalism has been bad for the country.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:20 pmI perceive your moniker as hateful and non-productive.
I’m not having a conversation with Republicans are the Fear and Smear Party. You asked me what you said that was hateful, and I answered your question.
The Republican Party does play on the peoples’ fears by constantly smacking them with 9/11 and fighting the terrorists over there, so we don’t have to fight them over here; the Republican Party does smear people by “Swift Boating†them.
Do you deny it?
Comment by Zooey
And democrats play on the fears of the end of the world by global warming, they both use fears for control. Liberals also smear, any objective person can see that by going to sites like this. I don't deny that republicans use fear and smear, but I also can see that democrats do the same thing.
Do you deny it?
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:21 pm#295
You said: I wouldn’t say that I hate liberals per se, I hate liberalism. I believe it is an ideology that “tries†to help, but actually makes things worse. Petty lawsuits have been a prime example of how mad liberalism can be. The constant coddling of bottom feeders of society by liberalism results in repeat crimes. Policemen are constantly under attack because of liberalism, while criminals are set free to offend again. Liberalism cares more about mass murderers more than innocent unborn babies. Liberalism is trying to destruct the thing that has made our country prosper ( the traditional family). Liberalism routinely has criticisms without any solutionssoltutions. Liberalism while good in intentions is a mental disorder.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
Then I said: What would be your ideal “conservative†solution?
Comment by Zooey
Then you said: To what?
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
Then I reiterated: Your “conservative†solutions to the problem of liberalism. Specifically.
Comment by Zooey
I don't know much plainer it could be. Was that your response in #290?
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:21 pm"If the basic economics of conservatism, true conservatism there is much more wealth for the entire nation."
Can you give us an historical example of this?
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:23 pmOf course conservatism is an ideology.
So why is it wrong for liberalism to be an ideology?
Conservatism has, especially fiscal conservatism, had a great influence in the growth of America itself. If the basic economics of conservatism, true conservatism there is much more wealth for the entire nation.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
Then why are there still so many poor people in America?
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:24 pmWhen was the last time there was TRUE fiscal conservatism in this country?
...for being pro-LIFE...
...Bushite inbreds sure have no problem...
...murdering people...
...and their own souls...
...Dana (like Snow, Bush, Cheney et al. before her)...
... is spiritually DEAD...
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:26 pmAnd democrats play on the fears of the end of the world by global warming, they both use fears for control.
Global warming is a scientific fact. It is something to be concerned about, and we must begin to try to remedy the situation.
Liberals also smear, any objective person can see that by going to sites like this. I don’t deny that republicans use fear and smear, but I also can see that democrats do the same thing.
Do you deny it?
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
I do deny it. Show me an example of any Democrat "Swift Boating" someone.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:28 pmBluedog, I have to run-pick up kid at t-ball. I will discuss with you later or another day.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:29 pmI do deny it. Show me an example of any Democrat “Swift Boating†someone.
Comment by Zooey
You don't think that dems have ever made up lies against republicans? You have to be joking. I will get you plenty examples...but I have to run. Also swift boat was not done by any republican that holds office, but by people with money that wanted Bush to win.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:31 pm…for being pro-LIFE…
…Bushite inbreds sure have no problem…
…murdering people…
…and their own souls…
…Dana (like Snow, Bush, Cheney et al. before her)…
… is spiritually DEAD…
Comment by big papa
Hi, big papa. :)
Remember, the troops and Iraqis are already born -- no problemo killing them!
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:31 pm/sarcasm
Bluedog,
liberalism=mental disorder will be back to talk to you. I guess he/she's done with my questions. :D
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:33 pmAnd democrats play on the fears of the end of the world by global warming, they both use fears for control.
Global warming is a scientific fact. It is something to be concerned about, and we must begin to try to remedy the situation.
Comment by Zooey
Terrorism is a fact, it happens everyday. Global warming is estimations built on models, nobody knows how bad it can be. It is a consensus amongst scientists, but not a fact.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:33 pmZooey: "Then why are there still so many poor people in America?
When was the last time there was TRUE fiscal conservatism in this country?"
Good questions. My opinion is that the reason there is so much confusion about this is that what passes for "conservative" in the republican party now is really "corporatist." This leads to the answer to the first question - corporations need cheap labor. A large underclass of poor people in America is good for large corporations.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:34 pmMay ALL conned'self-serving inbreds...
...suffer the poverty, destruction, hatred and tragedy...
...they cause so many others...
...that means YOU liberalism=mental disorder (SICK a*s)...
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:36 pm"Bluedog, I have to run-pick up kid at t-ball. I will discuss with you later or another day."
OK, I'll take that answer as an indication that you can't find historical justification for your sweeping judgements about conservatism. I'm also going to assume that you don't know Edmund Burke and his writings. Here's a thought -- if people are going to sing the praises of conservatism, maybe they could read up on it a little. It's fascinating.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:37 pmOh, and I'd like to see some examples of "swiftboating" by liberals. "Swiftboating" is lying and distorting as a way of attacking the character of a candidate. Is there any example of liberals doing this? I'm dubious. Here's why. "Swiftboating" is what you do when you can't debate the issues. The vast majority of Americans are with liberals on the issues. Liberals don't need to "swiftboat."
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:40 pmYou don’t think that dems have ever made up lies against republicans? You have to be joking. I will get you plenty examples…but I have to run. Also swift boat was not done by any republican that holds office, but by people with money that wanted Bush to win.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
Examples? Links?
On no, Swift Boating was not done by republicans in office. Uh uh, no way. But by people who wanted Bush to win. Big difference there. Yup.
I thought you hated these neo-cons? Why are you defending them?
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:47 pmTerrorism is a fact, it happens everyday. Global warming is estimations built on models, nobody knows how bad it can be. It is a consensus amongst scientists, but not a fact.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
Terrorism happens everyday, but it does not happen HERE. That's what the right peddles with such glee, to the fearful people.
I said Global Warming is a SCIENTIFIC FACT. Scientific fact is consensus among scientists, which means a lot. Maybe you're not familiar with the scientific method?
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:50 pmGood questions. My opinion is that the reason there is so much confusion about this is that what passes for “conservative†in the republican party now is really “corporatist.†This leads to the answer to the first question - corporations need cheap labor. A large underclass of poor people in America is good for large corporations.
Comment by Bluedog49
Sadly, corporate America doesn't give a shit about any class but their own, and the Upper class, who finances them. Corporations already have cheap labor -- overseas -- they don't need us. The bottom 70% of our population could drop off the planet, and they would barely notice.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:54 pmMaybe you’re not familiar with the scientific method?
Comment by Zooey #315
What do you want from "IT" Zooey...
...IT can't think about science...
...IT has kids in t-ball to worry about...
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:54 pmWhat do you want from “IT†Zooey…
…IT can’t think about science…
…IT has kids in t-ball to worry about…
Comment by big papa
Well that's worrisome, too. Kids....
April 23rd, 2007 at 8:02 pmWell that’s worrisome, too. Kids….
Comment by Zooey #318
...VERY unfortunate...
...chilling prospect...
April 23rd, 2007 at 8:30 pmGame cancelled due to snow...
Story at 11
April 23rd, 2007 at 8:41 pmTHAT’S the problem, Gregor. In this case, they didn’t support their opinion with facts.
Comment by Exley — April 23, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
Actually, they did. That you don't like Crow's and David's version of the events is a whole other story.
Why, even in the account you linked to Sheryl Crow "stepped in to defuse the situation". She had no intention of getting in a fight with Rove, but she was dragged in anyway.
TP reported this incident as established truth, citing only one side and disingenuously ignoring another set of competing facts [...] That is dishonest.
When one of the parties involved in the verbal tussle has a track record of being less than forthcoming, spreading half-truths, and passing off made up stories as incontrovertible "facts", well, they will have to excuse me if I don't give a damn about their version of the facts.
As the saying goes, people are entitled to their own opinion. People are not entitled to own facts.
And yet, here we are, four years later, in the middle of a calamitous occupation because "we know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
Do you remember those "facts"? The same ones you defended at one point here at ThinkProgress.
April 23rd, 2007 at 8:54 pmExlax - methinks thou dost projecteth too much
April 23rd, 2007 at 9:03 pmSadly, corporate America doesn’t give a shit about any class but their own, and the Upper class, who finances them.
Comment by Zooey #316
Actually Zooey,
...We finance "them"...
..."THEY" (televison and print media) earn money from "advertising"...
...WE patronize the companies who advertise in/on media outlets...
...MORAL of the story:
...pay attention to where you spend your money...
...and urge others to do the same...
...stumbleupon.com or just google "responsible blue consumerism."...
...time to make THEM pay...
April 23rd, 2007 at 9:27 pmIf the President expects respect, he's got to earn it. First, he's got to start behaving respectably.
April 23rd, 2007 at 9:46 pm"They either paid to be thier or they were invited!!!!!
I really can’t understand the IGNORANCE from the Repuks!
Comment by RemoveBush — April 23, 2007"
First off I suggest that you enroll in zooey's 6th grade spelling class. Just because people were invited didn't give the the moral authority to act like jackasses!
April 23rd, 2007 at 10:28 pm"That’s very interesting, Exley, since you put up a quote on the Reid thread that was completely out of context, hence making it dishonest.
Do you hold us to higher standard than you hold yourself?
Comment by Zooey — April 23, 2007"
And what was that quote zooey?
April 23rd, 2007 at 10:31 pm"To what are YOU referring, michael?
Comment by Shane
Heh.
Comment by Zooey — April 23, 2007"
# please?
April 23rd, 2007 at 10:33 pm"We’re trying to keep it simple so you can understand but apparently it’s not working.
Comment by Shane — April 23, 2007"
No you are trying to keep it very simple so that very impressionable children like zooey swallow your garbage!
April 23rd, 2007 at 10:35 pm"Global warming is a scientific fact. It is something to be concerned about, and we must begin to try to remedy the situation.
Comment by Zooey — April 23, 2007"
BS! What are the facts?
April 23rd, 2007 at 10:36 pmAnd what was that quote zooey?
Comment by michael
LEAVE ME THE F*CK ALONE.
April 23rd, 2007 at 10:41 pmBS! What are the facts?
Comment by michael #329
...your mother and your sisters...
...are getting better in bed...
...REALLY!
April 23rd, 2007 at 10:48 pm"…your mother and your sisters…
…are getting better in bed…
…REALLY!
Comment by big papa — April 23, 2007"
papa, do you teach zooey's 6th grade English class?
April 23rd, 2007 at 10:51 pmComment by michael #332
NOPE!
...Sex ed...
..to wayward, sexually repressed, inbred mothers and sisters...
...of age of course...
April 23rd, 2007 at 10:57 pm"NOPE!
…Sex ed…
..to wayward, sexually repressed, inbred mothers and sisters…
…of age of course…
Comment by big papa — April 23, 2007"
Wow! A liberal teaching sex education. No wonder!
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:14 pmMichael says; "did so" again, and again and again....
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:16 pmMichael says; “did so†again, and again and again….
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
That's nothing new. Looks like big papa has things well in hand around here -- literally. :D
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:20 pm"That’s nothing new. Looks like big papa has things well in hand around here — literally. :D"
Comment by Zooey — April 23, 2007"
How's that, child?
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:33 pmzooey, I haven't heard from you in quite some time. Isn't child care out yet?
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:40 pmzooey, I haven’t heard from you in quite some time. Isn’t child care out yet?
Comment by michael
Is there a reason why, when asked to leave me alone, you are unable to do so? Really, is it that difficult for you to just skip my comments? You are sick, Michael. I have reported you to TP.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:44 pmI look on the bright side here, if michael is here, then everyone's kids are safer tonight.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:58 pmI look on the bright side here, if michael is here, then everyone’s kids are safer tonight.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
I'm sick of his shit. I reported him directly to Faiz.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:01 am"I’m sick of his shit. I reported him directly to Faiz.
Comment by Zooey — April 24, 2007"
You're sick of my shit? You mean you are not smart enough to back up ridiculous statements about Bush, Cheney, and Rove! Why? You're not intelligent enough to do it, so petition the administrator to ban mean michael from asking zooey pointed questions! Sound like Cuba? Iran? Syria? When are you going to answer one of my simplest questions? Why did it take kerry 5 years to get his Honorable Discharge? Hey the rest of you liberals might be able to save some embarrassment for this child who hasn't a clue!
April 24th, 2007 at 12:24 am"I’m sick of his shit. I reported him directly to Faiz.
Comment by Zooey — April 24, 2007"
What did you ask him to do, silence me?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:27 amWhy did it take kerry 5 years to get his Honorable Discharge?
1. You never debate, you obfuscate - never bring any facts to discuss. It's always one of the same three logical fallacies - you add nothing to this site
2. You never stay on track - case in point above.
3. When no one pays attention to you, you spit out your dummy and start calling people names - they arecalled 'ad hominem' attacks
4. You stalk people on the site
I'd call you an obnoxious, pointless twerp, but then that would also be an 'ad hominem'.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:52 amyes #322 Exlaxley is SERIOUSLY projecting... he nitpicks and nitpicks and slings accusations at liberals for every perceived maniupulation, yet apparently isnt concerned with the grotesque amount of manipulations commited by the bush regime "we know without a doubt saddam has WMD". "if we dont act there will be mushroom clouds".."Joseph Wilson isnt credible because his wife sent him on the trip"..."saddam has links to al queda"..."the only thing that keeps terrorists from attacking us is having america led by a group of draft dogers and deserters who just happen to have an "R" behind thier name"..."I don't remember what happened, but I know for a fact that whatever happened wasnt improper"...."we didnt really know that convicted lobbyist at all, but we arent releasing the secret service records of how many times he visited".. ALL These things are ok in Exlaxleys mind.. but oh heaven forbid TP post a lopsided headline on its blog.... honestly , the man isnt concerened about honesty, integrity, consistency... or forthrightness.. if he was, he'd see things like TP as something which is by far the lesser of two evils. Again, if your side can dish it out, you should be able to take your own medicine without whining like a little B!tch...
April 24th, 2007 at 2:26 am> ... said Mrs. Perino, who called the White House’s approach to climate change “a model for the world.â€
A model for the end-of-the-world, perhaps, dear Mrs. Perino.
April 24th, 2007 at 7:10 amMaybe if Rove didn’t squeal like a little girl, there wouldn’t have been such an interruption.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
VVFFU,
April 24th, 2007 at 7:59 amPlease don't insult little girls.
First off I suggest that you enroll in zooey’s 6th grade spelling class. Just because people were invited didn’t give the(SIC) the moral authority to act like jackasses!
Comment by michael
Considering the third-grade level spelling mistakes you have posted here, you really aren't in the position to discuss 6th grade spelling class. BTW, Mikey, I'm still waiting (nearly two months now) for you to tell me what illustrious graduates were produced from your supposedly superior private high school.
April 24th, 2007 at 8:04 am#301:“If the basic economics of conservatism, true conservatism there is much more wealth for the entire nation.â€
Can you give us an historical example of this?
Comment by Bluedog49
#305: Bluedog, I have to run-pick up kid at t-ball. I will discuss with you later or another day.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 23, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
Bluedog,
April 24th, 2007 at 8:13 amI have a feeling we won't be hearing from "trolling=my mental disorder" about this again.
Bluedog49-
Sorry for not getting back to you sooner, but I didn't think it would be a great idea to leave my son at the park to argue economics on the internet. Anyway, you bring up Reagan and what you see as his failed policies. First, I think it is important to note that inflation, interest rates and unemployment rates were extremely high after 4 years of Jimmy Carter being president. Before Reagan took office unemployment was at nearly 8%, it is now below 5%, the prime interest rate was above 20%, it is now around 8%. Economic growth averaged 3.2% during the Reagan years. Real medium family income grew $4000 during Reagan's 8 years. True conservative economics is simply but rarely follwed because of political pressure. In essence lowering taxes and lowering spending are good things for the economy. Spending was not cut enough during Regan's presidency, which lead to increased debt.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:56 amTerrorism happens everyday, but it does not happen HERE. That’s what the right peddles with such glee, to the fearful people.
I said Global Warming is a SCIENTIFIC FACT. Scientific fact is consensus among scientists, which means a lot. Maybe you’re not familiar with the scientific method?
Comment by Zooey
Terrorism does happen everyday and it has happened here. Nobody can deny the fact that there are terrorists that want more to happen here. The way to stop them from occuring is to be vigilant.
As for global warming, the scientific method cannot be used because the earth's atmosphere is an open system. The numbers that are fed into the computers to test global warming cannot properly estimate all numbers and variables. There is too much that is not known. The statistics that are being used do not properly give cause and effect. There are a number of dissenters out there, global warming may very well be caused by humans, but it certainly is not fact which is why the last "estimate" done by the consensus of scientists put 90% on the chances we cause it-hardly a fact.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:06 amWow, our very own version of Baghdad Bob!
April 24th, 2007 at 2:27 pmtrolling=my mental disorder
April 24th, 2007 at 6:15 pmYou already lose any argument with the stupid hostile name "liberalism=mental disorder." You are no expert in mental health, and you, who feel the desire to troll belligerently, are more likely to be mentally disturbed than any of us. Like uber-troll Jake, you claim not to be Republican, but it's probably a safe bet that you are not trolling on Rethug sites.
You are also clearly no expert in climate science. Neither am I, for that matter; however, as a professional translator/interpreter, I have worked at conferences with the world's leading scientists in this field. So I trust their opinions on this matter than some disturbed person who feels the need to come trolling here.
trolling=my mental disorder
You already lose any argument with the stupid hostile name “liberalism=mental disorder.†You are no expert in mental health, and you, who feel the desire to troll belligerently, are more likely to be mentally disturbed than any of us. Like uber-troll Jake, you claim not to be Republican, but it’s probably a safe bet that you are not trolling on Rethug sites.
You are also clearly no expert in climate science. Neither am I, for that matter; however, as a professional translator/interpreter, I have worked at conferences with the world’s leading scientists in this field. So I trust their opinions on this matter than some disturbed person who feels the need to come trolling here.
Comment by Lora
You are entitled to your opinion. However, I didn't come to my conclusions without reading a great deal from both sides. You can toss the word troll all you want, that does not effect me. Until you want to debate me on what I have said, I have no time for you.
April 24th, 2007 at 6:45 pmYou already lose any argument with the stupid hostile name “liberalism=mental disorder.â€
Do you have problems with hostile names against the right?
April 24th, 2007 at 6:45 pmDo you have problems with hostile names against the right?
You can toss the word troll all you want, that does not effect(SIC) me. Until you want to debate me on what I have said, I have no time for you.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
I thought you had no more time for me, trolling=mental disorder. But to answer you, it depends on the name.
April 24th, 2007 at 7:08 pmI have nothing to debate with you, because I don't have a mental disorder and you haven't proved nor are in any position to prove that I have one.
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