McCain Hires Prominent Global Warming Denier To Help Craft Global Warming Policy
McCain Hires Prominent Global Warming Denier To Help Craft Global Warming Policy
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) delivered a major policy speech today focusing attention on the threat posed by global climate change. McCain said, “The world is already feeling the powerful effects of global warming, and far more dire consequences are predicted if we let the growing deluge of greenhouse gas emissions continue, and wreak havoc with Gods creation.”
Also today, McCain released a statement proudly announcing that former Defense Secretary James Schlesinger has “endorsed John McCain for President and will advise his campaign on energy and national security issues.”
The man who McCain tagged to advise him on reducing greenhouse gas emissions is a prominent global warming denier. Some highlights of Schlesinger’s record on global warming:
Nonetheless, solar irradiance and its variation seem highly likely to be a principal cause of long-term climatic change. Their role in longer-term weather cycles needs to be better understood. There is an idea among the public that “the science is settled.” Aside from the limited facts I cited earlier, that remains far from the truth. … We need to be more modest. [7/7/03]
We cannot tell how much of the recent warming trend can be attributed to the greenhouse effect and how much to other factors. In climate change, we have only a limited grasp on the overall forces at work. [7/26/03]
The issue of climate change urgently needs to be brought down from the level of theology to what we actually know. It is, of course, quite likely that the greenhouse effect has to some extent contributed to global warming–but we simply do not know to what extent. The insistence that global warming is primarily the consequence of human activity leaves scant room for variation in solar intensity or cyclical phenomena generally. [8/13/05]
Schlesinger’s position on global warming was so warmly embraced by the right wing that Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK), the Senate’s chief global warming skeptic, cited one of Schlesinger’s op-eds in a Senate floor speech on “The Science of Climate Change.” United Nations environmental expert Kilaparti Ramakrishna said Schlesinger’s viewpoints “distort[ed] the facts” and had “obvious misrepresentations” of climate change science and policy. Chris Mooney explains that Schlesinger’s global warming position can be traced to his energy-industry ties.
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GO MCCAIN!!!
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:47 pmGood idea, because there isn’t anything that America loves better than loyal bushies denying facts.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:49 pmI thought the dinosaurs all got wiped out….. (?)
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:50 pmWhere has schlesingersaurus been hiding all these millenia?
I find myself agreeing for once with Jake — er, I mean “Alfred”. Go McCain! Add your own pathetic stink of desperation to the heady stew of failure cooked up by GWB! There’s a winning recipe for ‘08!
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:01 pmP.S. — I already gave you a status report on that search, TripMaster Monkey.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:03 pmAnother prominent Global Warming Denier is the Australian PM Howard.
Australia is getting hammered by drought. Climate change is kicking Howard in the teeth and he’s still in denial.
Howard is also a big Chimpylover like Poodle Boy Blair.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:03 pmTwo people who served in Democratic Administration’s endorsing McCain…Woolsey from the Clinton administration and Schlesinger from the Carter administration…..Interesting.
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/woolsey-joins-mccain-camp-as-security-adviser-2007-04-23.html
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:04 pmKRank,
McCain against anyone – - –
means a Dem in the White House in Jan ‘09!
WooHoo! Go McCain!
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:04 pmBoth those old geezers have been around since the Earth came out of it’s last ice age, so they should know a thing or two about global warming.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:04 pmMcCain said, “The world is already feeling the powerful effects of global warming, and far more dire consequences are predicted if we let the growing deluge of greenhouse gas emissions continue, and wreak havoc with Gods creation.â€
Uh huh. McCain wants to be president to ALL Americans…..?
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:05 pmJohn McCain is crazy as a bed bug.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:06 pmSchlesinger and Inhofe and the rest of these denier assholes are all thinking with their wallets instead of their heads.
This is about survival of the human race, not next quarter’s Exxon-Mobil dividends, you Repuke dumbasses.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:07 pmMars is warming, bitches!
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:07 pmWhaaa?? Now I know McCain has lost ALL of his marbles!
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:07 pmif mars is warming, that does not disprove global warming.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:10 pmHey, we should go easy on McBush. I want him to win the nomination. If he wins we can cook up the popcorn, sit back and enjoy the show. We can call it “Saturday Nite Dead.” And a fine punching bag show it will be.
So as much as I hate to admit it, I’m agreeing (ak, gaag) with our troll Alfred.
GO MCCAIN!!!
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:13 pmIt’s so fitting.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:13 pmMcCain, who is losing his mind along with his campaign, has hired a friend of the oil industry to formulate his global warming policy.
What happened to McCain? Is he on some type of drugs?
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:14 pmmccain found someone older than he is.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:17 pmIn related news, McCain hires fox to guard campaign henhouse.
Dolt.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:19 pmMcCain is only interested these days in what is called ‘pocket warming’, and ‘polls charming’.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:20 pmHe’s such a maverick………
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:20 pmWhat’s McCain going to try next, giving bl*wj*bs to state party leaders.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:24 pmHope he gets the nomination!
McCrazy is going after the crazy old man vote. he’s going to start campaigning in his pajamas and will interrupt his speeches , screeching “you young punks get out of my yard!” at odd moments. i’m guessing that abe simpson will be his secretary of cartoons.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:24 pmThe green movement is growing stronger and the global warning deniers weaker. This Schlesinger clown might as well be the poster boy for the deniers – old, ill-informed, driven by dogma and profit rather than science and genuine concern for the planet.
It will take time but we will win and they will lose. It’s that simple.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:28 pmHe’s such a straight-talker. Too bad it’s out of both sides of his mouth.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:30 pm…will advise his campaign on energy and national security issues.â€
The man who McCain tagged to advise him on reducing greenhouse gas emissions…
well, it’s obvious… mcCAVEs idea of an “energy issue” does not
include “reducing greenhouse gas emissions”…
and/or/more likely, he is carrying on the “everything is opposite”
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:30 pmof bushco tradition… he is the heir apparent (imo)…
I don’t think anyone cares what McCain does. He has almost no chance of becoming president. The only good thing he can accomplish is to split the neocon vote and put a Dem. in the whitehouse in ‘09.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:32 pmCaption:
” Hot air rises, and if every one were only this tall, we wouldn’t be affected by global warming.”
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:39 pm[scene; Arizona desert, sunset, cow, saddle, hat. Jawin McCavin. In saddle, Holding reins. (Riding Kow)
McCavin, "Hey Schelsinger you see that Desert out yonder..? See that is NOT global warming..thats a dry spell, ya hear me boy?"
Schelsinger (Carrying water bucket), " Yes, Boss whatever you say Boss, it's just a dry spell. I have the numbers right here."
McCavin, "You bet there ain't no damn global warming on the Desert see, it' always hotter 'n whooedathawt...say, boy...gimme some o' dat water, ah dizzier than Paris, ah think ah about to have my third heatstroke today..."
(cut to wide view, man falls off Kow....)
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April 23rd, 2007 at 7:41 pm†Hot air rises, and if every one were only this tall, we wouldn’t be affected by global warming.â€
Comment by Raven
McCavein can outperform the flying Nun with the amount of ‘rise’ in that cranium.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:46 pmI believe science more than I do Al Gore or Sheryl Crow.
Sheryl’s Stop global warming college tour.
The science of global warming is not settled. Not by a long shot. No matter what Sheryl Crow says. She should stick to writing great music, and leave the science to scientists.
Science vs. Gore on methane. Don’t let it spoil that warm swim, Al.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:49 pmwhy is it so hard to recognize that
* the weather is changing
* we’re contributing to that
AND
* we’re a member of the solar system
* weather changes have been observed on other planets
I don’t care about the politics, but I know that specialists are generally not aware of what goes on in other fields. The “if you have a hammer, every problem becomes a nail” short-sightedness applies here too.
What we’re really doing is to insist on these changes being something we can do something about. There are things we know we can do, and there are always going to be things that are outside of our control. Like Sun-Spots, levels of solar activity, highly energetic particles entering the inner solar system or what have you.
While at present we clearly have an abusive minority calling the shots in washington, this does not mean that the minority is always wrong or bad or out to deceive.
McCain’s irrelevant, but I for one am glad that people looking beyond the earth-system are getting a mention.
If we could not think that we were in control of this, we’d trigger a whole lot of apocalyptic programming in people too dense to get the meaning from the words. And we can’t have anything potentially apocalyptic (truly out of our control) distract us from the business of politicised science.
Just imagine Bush invoking the apocalypse in order to stay in power. If we squabble about exclusive cause this or that now, we will be so far behind the curve that noone has the time to envision something better for how we live together, all 6 billion of us.
back to the ankle-biters.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:55 pmI see that regular global warming denier and flat earther muckdog is here to peddle his disinformation. Go ahead, loser: take on the entire global scientific community with your denials. You won’t get anywhere.
Denying global warming science at this point in its maturity is truly pathetic. It is like denying that smoking tobacco causes cancer or that HIV causes AIDS. It is the province of fools.
April 23rd, 2007 at 8:04 pmTwo people who served in Democratic Administration’s endorsing McCain…Woolsey from the Clinton administration and Schlesinger from the Carter administration…..Interesting.
http://thehill.com/ campaign-2008/ woolsey-joins-mccain-camp-as-security-adviser-2007-04-23.html
Comment by Exley — April 23, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
Democrats have a history of bipartisanship, something you wouldn’t understand. What’s interesting is how utterly clueless you are Exlax.
April 23rd, 2007 at 8:04 pmSo I think we can conclude that Sheryl Crow knows more about science in general, and global warming in particular, than you, muckdog. It is proven right here by your own pathetic, ignorant, superstitious denials.
April 23rd, 2007 at 8:05 pmI believe science more than I do Al Gore or Sheryl Crow.
Sheryl’s Stop global warming college tour.
The science of global warming is not settled. Not by a long shot. No matter what Sheryl Crow says. She should stick to writing great music, and leave the science to scientists.
Science vs. Gore on methane. Don’t let it spoil that warm swim, Al.
Comment by muckdog — April 23, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
You think that a *blog* run by a bunch of ignorant partisan hack, is a source for *science*? And don’t get me started with the co2science.org idiots! They’re even more st*pid than you are!
BAHAHA, you’re completely r*t*rded muckdog!
April 23rd, 2007 at 8:09 pmI for one have had it with all of these morons. These are people who will stand around in a burning building arguing about who started the fire.
April 23rd, 2007 at 8:10 pmI believe the Easter Bunny and the Tooth-Fairy more than I do Karl Rove or George.
McRove’s RNC global warming Rap dance college repblicans tour.
(Log Cabiner’s need apply)
The science of global warming is not settled. Not by a long shot. No matter what McRover says, She should stick to writing bad smear campaigns, corruption ‘n stuff, and leave the science (the numbers) to scientists and not political hacks like Schlesinger.
April 23rd, 2007 at 8:19 pmthe denialists are perplexing…
there are so many opportunities and advancements
that would be driven by the alternative fuel and
conservation/recycling markets to name a few…
i mean what could it hurt to persue those ends?
April 23rd, 2007 at 8:20 pmwe KNOW what it would hurt if we didn’t…
the denialists are perplexing…
It goes well with their hypocrisy. Like whine and cheese (ooo clinton did it, ooohhh clenis, whine, whine…. whiiiineeeee), they know they cannot deny global warming no matter if the cause is natural or not so thy twist and turn like worms on the concrete after a heavy rain trying to rationalize it.
April 23rd, 2007 at 8:32 pmSee on the one hand the conservatives gotta see eye to eye with the armageddonists who see this Global warming as a sign of Armegeddun on!! Wee Haww! See, Like this Iraqle Debacle, we gotta keep fighting this war to create bigger wars! But on the other hand lies big business and that there global warming is gonna cost us money, and on the other hand they got the big business whos’ gonna make big money, well at least for a little while before ARMAAAAGEDDDON!! Weee Hooo!
See, the Holocaustic hypocrites don’t wan’t no peace loving liberals in charge, cause they gotta run the country into the ground for the clash of the civilazations!! Weee Haaaawww.
So, yes, it’s VERY Fatiguing to be a hugificent hypocritter!
Jakes working very hard to contort himself into a slimy knot, we should circle the wagons around or cranial colonic Jake.
April 23rd, 2007 at 8:42 pmkaty sez:
It would hurt their bottom line. They have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.
April 23rd, 2007 at 8:43 pmYes … please … another old, be-suited white guy … certainly they have taken GREAT care of the planet so far …
April 23rd, 2007 at 9:21 pmMcCain is insane.
April 23rd, 2007 at 9:29 pmI really think the one thing that holds this country back today from real progress is fat, old, rich white republicans like Schlesinger (and Bush, and Cheney, and Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz, and Rove, and McCain, and Lott, and Gingrich, and almost every republican in congress, etc., etc., ad nauseum)
April 23rd, 2007 at 9:31 pmyou’re either brainwashed or mentally ill.
plenty of real scientists do not believe humans are responsible for global warming and that there is no armageddon on the horizon. I have been linking to them daily and will continue to do so.
sheryl crow is not a climatologist. maybe she is your guru in the joseph goebbels land of misinformation. but not in the scientific community.
April 23rd, 2007 at 9:40 pmHeh people, McCain like McBush, is a product of the American dream. If you can elect, twice in a row, a guy with an IQ documented to be in the low 90’s (That’s boarderline retarded) then why not replace him with another mental midget. Still have the deniers I see. No matter, there are still some people who have never been on the Canadian prairies and who think the world is round. It does not reflect well on Americans that they would elect an idiot to be the most powerful leader in the western world.
April 23rd, 2007 at 10:01 pmSince solar variation has been ruled out what are the “other factors” he’s talking about? What a toad.
April 23rd, 2007 at 10:13 pmStuart Blaber wrote:
“Heh people, McCain like McBush, is a product of the American dream. If you can elect, twice in a row, a guy with an IQ documented to be in the low 90’s (That’s boarderline retarded) then why not replace him with another mental midget.”
Stuart, I get your point, but an IQ in the low 70’s is borderline retarded. 100 is average.
If you took any two of the members of the Bush Administration and added their IQ’s together, then you would get an IQ in the low 90’s. :-)
Oh, and we Americans deserve what we get for being this stupid as a nation. I just wish the punishment would end.
April 23rd, 2007 at 10:43 pmMuckdog. Then how about looking up what scientists actually believe. No..no…stop googling “scientist global warming Exxon”. Try the ones that aren’t bought by big oil.
April 23rd, 2007 at 10:44 pmYou guys call McCain and Bush nutty but you think Al Gore and Sheryl Crow are the untimate authorities on climate change. lmao.
April 23rd, 2007 at 10:58 pmMcCain has taken on the Bush agenda – I’ll be dead in 20-30 years, so why worry. It’s no skin off my butt, but my descendants will be wealthy.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:03 pmThe basic problem is that the Earth may be depleted of agricultural products, petroleum and population when it comes time for his descendents to cash in their chips.
#50 Yeah, McCain and Bush are fricking nuts. Your post doesn’t change that. Thanks for the input, though.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:09 pm#51 5-10 for McCain. He is already showing signs of Alzheimer’s or at the least heavy signs of dementia. Ooo, we could get another Reagan!!!
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:14 pmYou guys call McCain and Bush nutty but you think Al Gore and Sheryl Crow are the untimate authorities on climate change. lmao.
No, you moron — we consider climate scientists like the world class researchers at places like CalTech, the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, the Max Planck Institute, the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, etc. to be authorities on climate change. To the extent that Gore and Crow accurately represent the scientific consensus in their public statements, then more power to them. But we don’t consider politicians and singers to be “ultimate authorities” on anything, much less climate changel. Unlike you wingnuts, we can tell the difference between scientists and celebrities.
And I had a look at your pathetic little web-site — what a bunch of garbage! Seventh-grade Earth-science students would have no trouble refuting that tripe.
So why don’t you do us all a favor and go repeat those junior-high science classes that you obviously failed the first time?
And unlike your pathetic garbage web-site, this web-site has some really good info about global warming: http://aquarium.ucsd.edu/climate/
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:15 pmUnless Schelsinger has done a total 180 then McCain just lost my vote !
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:18 pmJust now Ray Boggs? Cause he has been in the old Twilight Zone for at least 2 years.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:25 pmWell caerbannog, Your response is typical of those who practice the the Global Warming Religion. As far as “seventh grade” goes, you only need to be in sixth grade to see through the “tripe” being expounded by the “Max Panic” Institute and the “Pie Hole Ocenaographic Institute.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:33 pm#57 Try some science, skeptic. It does a body good.
April 23rd, 2007 at 11:45 pmScience?Like this? http://folk.uio.no/tomvs/esef/ESEF3VO2.htm
April 24th, 2007 at 12:09 am?
Or this? http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/climate_change/001169this_is_just_embaras.html
?
Or this? http://www.usatoday.com/weather/research/2007-04-17-globalwarming-hurricanes_N.htm
?
Or this? http://www.technewsworld.com/story/PqlvbSRFua1uE1/Researchers-Blame-Cosmic-Rays-for-Global-Warming.xhtml
?
I could go on, but the first one was probably over your head so why bother?
#57 Try some science, skeptic. It does a body good.
Heh heh… getting “skeptic” to learn some science would be kinda like getting a pig to memorize some Shakespeare sonnets!
April 24th, 2007 at 12:13 amHere is some more:
http://www.climatescience.org.nz/assets/2007371711530.SvensmarkClimatology.pdf
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2007-04-06-global-warming-report_N.htm
tons more here: http://www.climatescience.org.nz
April 24th, 2007 at 12:27 amhttp://www.climatescience.org.nz/ assets/ 2007371711530.SvensmarkClimatology.pdf
http://www.usatoday.com/ weather/ climate/ globalwarming/ 2007-04-06-global-warming-report_N.htm
tons more here: http://www.climatescience.org.nz
Do you consider the Svensmark paper a serious challenge to the global-warming scientific consensus? If so, can you summarize the Svensmark paper’s reasoning and conclusion in your own words? And I do mean “in your own words”. No copy/paste replies, please.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:36 amAgain, there is no consensus. Period. End of story.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:11 amYeah McCain, deny reality in Iraq, and then try to make up for that by stating the truth about global warming. Are you going to stock your cabinet with warmongering greens? It is too bad you aren’t again running the “Straight Talk Express,” but instead the “Two Faced Impress.” Sorry, but those knuckle dragging conservatives won’t embrace you even if you sacrifice Hillary on the alter to their Old Testiment God.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:47 amOK, let’s assume for a second that there is debate in the scientific community about global warming. Then you’d have to admit that there’s a reasonable chance that GW is indeed a threat to us. So, what harm is there to reducing carbon emissionsby driving more fuel efficient vehicles? This would even reduce our need to import oil from the Middle East. Wouldn’t that be a good thing?
The only negative I can think of is that Exxon might not set another record for quarterly profits. Would that be a negative for humanity as a whole?
April 24th, 2007 at 3:10 amAgain, there is no consensus. Period. End of story.
Comment by muckdog — April 24, 2007 @ 2:11 am
Again there is a consensus. Period. End of story.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:37 amIt is long past due, that McCain hang up his old worn out political dancing shoes. Everyone of his steps in this presidential campaign has been a mistep.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:55 amhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2006/11/05/warm-refs.pdf
I have posted this about 10 times on this site and NOT ONCE got a cogent reply from any pro-anthropogenic warming posters here by way of an explanation for the documented (above) fact the IPCC and UN are lying about the historical temperature record – as evidenced by the manufaturing of the FALSE “hockey stick” curve.
Consensus, ergo, Apocalypse cancelled.
April 24th, 2007 at 6:07 amhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/ news/ graphics/ 2006/ 11/ 05/ warm-refs.pdf
I have posted this about 10 times on this site and NOT ONCE got a cogent reply from any pro-anthropogenic warming posters here by way of an explanation for the documented (above) fact the IPCC and UN are lying about the historical temperature record – as evidenced by the manufaturing of the FALSE “hockey stick†curve.
Not that Monckton clown again…
There’s so much that is wrong with that Monckton’s screed that it’s hard to know where to begin. So I’ll just pick one error at random to refute.
Monckton cites Soon and Baliunas 2003 in support of his claim that temperatures during the MWP were higher than they are now. I’ve read that paper in question and it’s complete garbage. The only people who cite that paper are hacks and crackpots. The paper contains statistical errors that should make a college freshman blush.
The S&B paper is so bad that several editors of the journal in which it was published (Climate Research) resigned in protest. And here is what the then newly-designated lead editor had to say when he resigned in protest: http://w3g.gkss.de/G/Mitarbeiter/storch/
More information about the flaws in the S&B paper can be found here: http://w3g.gkss.de/G/Mitarbeiter/storch/
There’s plenty else that is wrong with Monckton’s little screed, but life’s too short for me to waste much more time on this. I’ve done enough of your homework for you at this point.
April 24th, 2007 at 8:12 amcaerbannog
So if there are so many errors in the Honourable Lord Monckton’s well documented paper, why is hat fatous ass Al Gore refusing to debate him?
http://ff.org/centers/csspp/docs/20070316_monckton.html
My final question is – do you realize that you are a NAZI?
Perhaps you ought to think a bit more about what an 80% reduction in CO2 emissions will do to the global population if we adopt the fascist policies that Mr Gore and his financial backers intend for us.
April 24th, 2007 at 8:26 amJust a quick follow up to the Monckton garbage cited by RAL.
Complete thrashings of Monckton’s work can be found at http://tinyurl.com/36vty6 and http://tinyurl.com/yap7do
The above refutations of Monckton, btw, were written by professional physicists and climatologists.
RAL, in the future, could you please refrain from citing material written by ignorant and/or dishonest hacks?
April 24th, 2007 at 8:31 amcaerbannog
Listen, the only ignorant and dishonest hack here is YOU.
Will you answer the question of what happened to the medeival warm period OR NOT.
So called “trashings” are irrelevant if you cannot state, in your own words, the explanation for the falsification of data by the IPCC.
April 24th, 2007 at 8:36 amMcCain still veering right? Color me shocked.
April 24th, 2007 at 9:23 amWill you answer the question of what happened to the medeival warm period OR NOT.
The Medieval warming period was confined to the northern hemisphere; the global average temperature back then was *not* higher than it is now. In fact, over the past couple of decades, global average temperatures have significantly exceeded temperatures during the MWP. Europe is every bit as warm (or warmer) now than it was during the MWP. Wineries in England? Check. Lots of vineyards and wineries can be found in England now. Agriculture in Greenland? Check. Sheep grazing, forage crops and small-scale garden vegetable production can be found there now. (During the MWP, agriculture in Greenland was barely viable — the Vikings did not thrive there; they struggled).
So called “trashings†are irrelevant if you cannot state, in your own words, the explanation for the falsification of data by the IPCC.
You are the one making the claim that the IPCC falsified data. So it is up to *you* to defend that claim. (Providing a link to garbage written by a crank is not a valid defense of said claim.)
But it is a claim that you cannot defend. There was no falsification of data by the IPCC. However, I would like to see you try, *in your own words*.
April 24th, 2007 at 9:58 amSo if there are so many errors in the Honourable Lord Monckton’s well documented paper, why is hat fatous ass Al Gore refusing to debate him?
For the same reason that most biologists refuse to debate creationists. There’s nothing to be gained by debating a crank in front of an ignorant audience. To steal a line from Mark Twain: “A lie will make it halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on”.
If Monckton wishes to debate the science of global warming, he should do so by submitting papers to peer-reviewed scientific journals or by making presentations at professional scientific conferences. *Those* are the proper venues for legitimate scientific debates.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:09 amI question how serious either party is taking global warming. This problem is a global killer and yet both sides treat it like a political issue. We stand at a cross roads. While America is certainly not the biggest problem, we do still serve a role in cleaning up this mess. How do we expect to go after and demand the worst polluters reduce their emissions when we haven’t made a plan to reduce our own. We need a president that will plan at least a 30% reduction. The big pay off from this is that it will give us the leverage to demand the worst polluters not only halt their increases but start to decrease their emissions right now. China will be the largest Co2 polluter by the end of the year and will be producing more Co2 emissions then the rest of the world combined within 8-10 years. China is the #1 problem and if we cannot stop them, China will doom the entire world. The USA’s role is the same role we always have.
We need to be the leader in development of green technologies. We also need to lead the fight against China, India, and Russia. We need to demand they stop the increases and we further need to demand they reduce their Co2 emissions by 30%-50%+ and do it fast. The USa needs to stand with the rest of the world. We need to start by imposing massive fines on all goods and services leaving these countries. If thta doesn’t work, we may need to forcably stop them.
The world has never experienced a crisis like this. We have no bigger problem facing the world. We need to get serious on this issue fast. Anyone denying it or belittling this problem needs to be ignored. The most dangerous crowd are those that achnowledge global warming is a man made problem but don’t feel we should be forcing other countries to reduce their emissions. Those folks are attempting to doom the entire world. Do they think global warming cares if it gets its Co2 from a developed country like England or a “developing” country like China. China alone will wreck this world. INdia and Russia simply are adding to a speedier demise.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:15 amAnyone denying it or belittling this problem needs to be ignored. The most dangerous crowd are those that achnowledge global warming is a man made problem but don’t feel we should be forcing other countries to reduce their emissions
The sky is falling!
April 24th, 2007 at 10:44 amI can’t help but wonder when the last time he was actually in Phoenix was.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:38 amcaerbannog
How typical – dismiss people who disagree with you as “cranks”.
Your claims about the medieval warm period are patently false – as demonstrated by the fakery used to create the “hockey stick” curve.
Did you actually read Monckton’s report or not asshole?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:04 pm#76 The sky is falling. Their is no middle ground when it comes to Global Warming is my point. You can’t believe that Global warming is real and then treat it with kiddie gloves. If you believe it is real, then you realize how huge of a problem this is. Things like the Kyoto treaty are very dangerous and threaten the entire world. These treaty’s exempt the very worst polluters. If the world can’t get its act together fast, places like China will kill a good chunk of the world’s population. America isn’t much different. While America is doing alot better then China, we also have to reduce our emissions.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:06 pmRoger_Roger
No, the most dangerous people are those who seriously believe they can do anything about a problem that is neither man made, nor – even if it were – responsive the kind of idiotic, genocidal policies that people such as you would FORCE on the rest of us in the name of your false SATANIC religion.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:13 pmRoger_Roger
Your claim that China will kill a large segment of the world population is the most hilarious thing I have heard all year.
Isn’t it the good old USA that invaded Iraq, Afghanistan and is about to start a war with Iran?
That sounds suspiciously like depopulation to me.
But hey, the Chinese are developing faster than you and your paper dollar is worth less than your pathetic ideas, so I suppose that’s a good excuse to start a war with them aswell and show the world how much you big yanks mean business.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:15 pmcaerbannog
You have clearly not even read Lord Monckton’s report, since the evidence is clear, even using the IPCC’s own report from 1996, that the medieval warm period is an anomaly that they had to “get rid of”.
The report of McIntyre et al (2003,2005) already demonstrated how this was done, by the 390x weighting of a single temperature proxy – bristlecone pine data.
And what about the US Senate report from 2005?
Go back and read Monckton’s report with an open mind and stop being such an asshole while you are at it.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:35 pm#83 Global warming, if left unchecked, will certainly kill alot more people then some petty war in Iraq or Afghanistan. Those war deaths are measured in thousands. Global warming deaths could measure in the billions.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:39 pmCalling it “global warming denial,” is very very dangerous. With that statement and legal sanctions, not to mention the extreme greed of a “carbon tax,” please distinguish your philosophy from that of Popes verses Galileo. Once freedom of inquiry, and for that matter a free and open society is restrained, with the obvious induction of global warming as the same as “holocaust denial,” science ceases to exist.
Most funding is absolutely attached to current global warming theories. The fact of the solar cycle, ice core samples indicating higher CO2 at various historical times, is all to be shoveled under the rug. We are to label such things as heresy?
It is a travesty how people are distracted by carbon emissions, while they are totally overspecialized in it, and blind to the greater danger such as GMO foods, and corn in particular with its bee killing insecticide.
No one is arguing against concern over climate changes, but the fact that concurrent accepted “official,” solutions are about as useful as a witch doctors rattle, is the height of absurdity.
All of you who think this is a liberal issue or a conservative issue, cannot tell the difference between tyranny and liberty. I am sad for your sorry sleepwalk into the 13th century, all so elites can do another disservice with their extreme greed in a global tax.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:56 pmRoger_Roger
Yes perhaps, and there is NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.
Our climate is not affected by human activity. The science is clear, the politics is a totally different matter.
Since you cannot seem to grap the link between globalization and global warming, you can hardly be expected to understand the fact that it is precisely the intentions of Mr Gore and his policies that is the genocidal issue here. The goal is WORLD GOVERNMENT, nothing more, nothing less.
The UN, the Club of Rome et al, were set up precisely to establish the kind of utopian post industrial fantasy land that you are promoting in your “arguments” here.
Also, a nuclear war will for sure going to do a lot more damage, a lot quicker, than even the worst nonsense you can dream up to “solve the problem of global warming”. You are already conducting a low intensity (DU) nuclear war on the world. So stop harping about this diversionary crap and get to work impeaching that bastard Cheney and his monkey Bush.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:56 pmhttp://www.larouchepub.com/other/2007/3413carbon_swindle.html
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2007/3414racist_gore.html
http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2007/2007_10-19/2007-13/pdf/36-46_713_ainsworth.pdf
Perhaps this will clear it up for you, and I don’t want to hear any bleating about “oh, its that Crank LaRouche again”. Just read the articles and think it through for yourself with an OPEN MIND before you make any conclusions.
It’s called CRITICAL THINKING.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:09 pmhere’s the equation:
climate crisis=environmentalists=Greens=hippies=liberals=gays=antiwar=woman’s rights=gun ban=vegetarians=pagans=union organizers=Labor=socialists=Communists=Democrats=Wind Power=Solar energy=Hydrogen Fuel Cells
So you can see why there is a “Asses of Evil” between Energy Companies, War Profiteers, Fundamentalists, Republicans, and Rednecks.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:19 pmPerhaps this will clear it up for you, and I don’t want to hear any bleating about “oh, its that Crank LaRouche againâ€. Just read the articles and think it through for yourself with an OPEN MIND before you make any conclusions.
Posting links to crank LaRouche publications and calling it CRITICAL THINKING??? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Why don’t you go back to passing out pamphlets at airports?
April 24th, 2007 at 1:33 pmYes perhaps, and there is NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.
Our climate is not affected by human activity. The science is clear, the politics is a totally different matter.
Boy, you Libertarians are removing your masks and your Right-Wing underpinnings are showing through.
Actually 95% of the World’ Climatalogists say human activity is accelerating and to blame for Climate Crisis, and a small minority of loud-mouthed Energy Industry Stooges are trying to undermine Real Science.
Now, the theory goes that Global Warming precedes an Ice Age for various reasons, #1 being increased Cloud Cover Lowering average mean. Sun activity over the past 70 years overall is still the same, and we did not have industrialization during the last Ice Age and Global Warming Cycle. It may have taken 20,000+ years, whereas now it is taking less than 200 years.
No one ever said Volcanoes, Cosmic Rays, and Solar Energy contributes ZERO to Global Warming. It does…about 1-5%.
I also am VERY concerned about nuclear war, Bush insanity, 9/11 complicity and conspiracy, and everything else you say. I will not have my World View dictated by Oil Companies and their Whores in the Government.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:45 pmcaerbannog
And why don’t you grow up and start answering the tough questions posed in these articles instead of stamping your feet with your pudhy little fingers in your ears. Clearly, you are no scientist, just another loud mouthed hack – and a nasty one with a small mind at that.
And as for you swampgas
If we conducted “science” by the 95% consensus rule – i.e. public opinion – then the world would still be flat, and the sun would be revolving around it once per day. Sometimes (in fact by definition, almost always), the controversial view of causality turns out to be the truth. But as with all prior dark ages, just like the one we are about to experience with full force now, if this idiocy continues much longer, the irrational forces of mass panic and superstition take over and drown the voice of reason in hysteria.
Final point – you are trying to make the link that all scientists and climatologists who disgaree with the IPCC somehow work for the oil lobby, but clearly, you did not read the article about who is behind the carbon trading market. If you had, you would see that Fat Al is up to his ears in financial swindles and dubious links to companies like Barrick Gold and other well known companies with decidedly undemocratic pedigree.
So when the USA disappears under a mountain of carbon taxes, and gets merged with Mexico and Canada, assuming we make it past what remains of the Bush-Cheney Nazi regime, you will have no-one to blame but yourselves for the loss of your Republic.
April 24th, 2007 at 5:16 pmhttp://www.oism.org/oism/s32p31.htm
I suppose these 17,000 scientists are all in the pay of the oil lobby.
Wow! Now that sounds like a conspiracy theory even a crank like caerbannog would be proud of…
p.s. I am not a libertarian. I am an FDR Democrat.
April 24th, 2007 at 5:27 pmSchlesinger is just another member of the Bush Election Machine given to McCain in exchange for the “get out of jail free” card he gave Bush and the rest just last fall. It seems fitting: The Bush Election Machine replaces it’s current s… for brains head with the Manchurian Candidate.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:08 pm#94 Oh, yeah, Ral…OISM. They are credible. It isn’t like they are a propaganda machine for sale to the highest bidder or anything.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:42 pm#94 FDR Democrat…Sure.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:42 pmRAL, if you want to continue this discussion, please pick out a couple of major points made by the articles you have linked, and then argue for them *in your own words*. Don’t expect me to do your homework for you.
So go ahead — pick out what you believe the strongest LaRouche arguments against global warming are, and then make a case for them *in your own words*. You should not expect me to spend hours researching and analyzing material that you spend just a few seconds linking to. If you want to make a case for LaRouche’s material, then you are going to have to make an honest effort to advance LaRouche’s arguments, I repeat, *in your own words*.
April 25th, 2007 at 1:35 amMissing the point on Global Warming…. No there is a some we can do now to prevent the planet’s destruction in the next century. More importantly, for now we need to stop the insane amounts of pollution and toxins going into the atmosphere. People, when the cancer rate continues to rise exponentially, when TV commercials are full of cancer treatment ads, mankind has a little problemo, and it is not the danger of dikes breaking in Holland. The cancer rate is soaring. The cancer rate is soaring. Hello. Hello. China and globalization are a disaster with this administration at the wheel. The FDA is overrun. Toxic food is coming into this country via the scum sucking Chinese like a wave. No one gives a shit.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:56 pmGalileo was a global flatness denier.
May 3rd, 2007 at 1:25 am