Tom DeLay: Reid And Pelosi Are ‘Very, Very Close To Treason’
Tom DeLay: Reid And Pelosi Are ‘Very, Very Close To Treason’
In an interview with the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review editorial board yesterday, former Rep. Tom DeLay (R-TX) accused Senate Majoirty Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) of “getting very, very close to treason” by opposing the war in Iraq. When a member of the editorial board noted that treason is a “pretty serious charge,” DeLay shot back, “And I’m serious about it.” He added that he had looked up the definition on his way to the interview (probably a good idea), and it meant “the betrayal of trust.” Watch it:
DeLay specifically attacks Reid, saying that “in the time of war, with soldiers dying on the ground, announcing that we had lost the war, is very close to treasonous.” Here’s DeLay in 1999, stating that the U.S. campaign in Kosovo will fail:
“[Milosevic is] stronger in Kosovo now than he was before the bombing. … The Serbian people are rallying around him like never before. He’s much stronger with his allies, Russians and others.” Clinton “has no plan for the end” and “recognizes that Milosevic will still be in power,” added DeLay. “The bombing was a mistake. … And this president ought to show some leadership and admit it, and come to some sort of negotiated end.”
Of course, none of this should come as a surprise. DeLay, who is currently under criminal indictment for money laundering and criminal conspiracy, has a long history of attacking the patriotism of progressives.
UPDATE: “I cannot support a failed foreign policy. … President Clinton has never explained to the American people why he was involving the US military in a civil war in a sovereign nation, other than to say it is for humanitarian reasons, a new military-foreign policy precedent. Was it worth it to stay in Vietnam to save face? What good has been accomplished so far? Absolutely nothing.” — Tom DeLay on the House floor in April 1999, when US troops were a month into their three-month mission in Kosovo
UPDATE II: Treason, as defined by the Constitution:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
UPDATE III: Greg Sargent: “Judging by the mounting hysteria of their opponents, it looks like [war critics’] aggressiveness is working.”
UPDATE IV: Carbetbagger bravely delves into DeLay’s thinking.
Transcript
DELAY: I think Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are getting very, very close to treason.
INTERVIEWER: Treason. Now that’s a pretty serious charge.
DELAY: And I’m serious about it. For the Majority Leader of the United States Senate in the time of war, with soldiers dying on the ground, announcing that we had lost the war, is very close to treasonous.
I looked it up while we were driving over here, what the definition of treason is. It’s the betrayal of trust. I have never in my adult life, nor in my understanding of history, seen something so blatantly outrageous for political reasons.
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Oh Tom,
And your very close to Abramhoff and prison!!!
April 24th, 2007 at 1:49 pmAnd your very, very close to jail, Tom…..
April 24th, 2007 at 1:50 pmAnd you, Tommy Boy, are very, very much beyond irrelevant.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:51 pm… Says the treasonous GOP hack-of-the-year.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:51 pmFinally someone’s saying the truth and MSM is actually reporting it.
It’s unbelievable that our very own congressmen and women are siding with the enemy.
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April 24th, 2007 at 1:51 pmmatthews.frank@gmail.com
” I looked up (the definition of treason) on the drive over here…”
Ahhahahahahahahaha!
Crawl back into the woodwork, despicable vermin………
April 24th, 2007 at 1:53 pmYOU’RE-
:)
April 24th, 2007 at 1:53 pmIOKIYAR
April 24th, 2007 at 1:53 pmTom DeLay is so close to being completely irrelevent that he’s already there.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:54 pmIt’s not that DeLay and the rest of these criminals don’t know their hypocrites, it’s that their continuing that one step of the playbook, keep repeating your talking points.
Yeah, DeLay is being hypocritical by trying to call someone who ISN’T treasonous a traitor, while ignoring everything the Bush administration has lied about, and effectively betrayed the American peoples trust.
But as long as he constantly and only goes after the Dems, I think he hopes we’ll all become distracted from those who are the real traitors.
Too bad he doesn’t see that the more he uses the word “traitor”, the more we think of the Bush administration. Hence, his playbook is backfiring.
And umm… he needed to look up the word treason before this interview? HOW long has he been in Congress already? Yeh… ok…
April 24th, 2007 at 1:54 pmRepublicans should get it over with and change the party name to the Hypocrits.
A former rep up on charges of CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY is complaining about ‘betrayal of trust’? What an ass!
April 24th, 2007 at 1:54 pmOnce again these filthy Republicans can do nothing but resort to impugning on the patriotism of other Americans.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:54 pmHe is right. Again.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:55 pmThe punishment for treason is worse than for money laundering.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:55 pmIf Reid and Pelosi are ‘very very close to treason’, what does it make all the actions that Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, Rove, Libby, Rumsfeld, and all the rest of them have carefully devised and undertaken? Unbelievable…
April 24th, 2007 at 1:55 pmAs Bill Maher says, “Traitors don’t get to question my patriotism.”
April 24th, 2007 at 1:56 pmTom has a very low threshold set for treason.
Treason - not being an a**-kissing, boot-licking, cult of personality addled, jingoistic moron like him.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:56 pmWhy does anyone still pay attention to this guy?
I guess I shouldn’t complain — all he does is make the right look bad.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:56 pmOh, shut the PHUCK up!
April 24th, 2007 at 1:56 pmTommy boy is gonna make someone a good prison bitch soon….
April 24th, 2007 at 1:56 pmThe Delayocrite. He’s such a chooch.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:56 pmare they as close as “the hammer” is to actual prison time???
thought not.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:57 pm… DeLay, who is currently under criminal indictment for money laundering and criminal conspiracy, has a long history of attacking the patriotism of progressives.
nice… good job, matt…
April 24th, 2007 at 1:58 pmis he on the booze again? tom, tom, you’ll be very close to cell block 5 once your convictions are handed down.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:58 pmWhy does this worthless criminal receive press time? He should be in jail…Tom you are a non-entity…didn’t get the email?
April 24th, 2007 at 1:58 pmTom, I’m happy to inform you that a criminal such as yourself has zero credibility in the eyes of the American public. Keep yapping like you are; it helps swing the moderates to our side.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:58 pmThey’re becoming more unhinged by the hour…
April 24th, 2007 at 1:58 pmDelay is getting nuttier and nuttier. Isn’t he going to jail soon?
April 24th, 2007 at 1:59 pmFunniest part is that DeLay admits that he had to look up the word “treason” on the way to the interview.
He should keep rifling through to find the terms “money laundering,” “indictment,” “violation of campaign finance laws” and “penitentiary.”
April 24th, 2007 at 1:59 pmBend over Tom. I’d like you to meet your new cellmate.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:59 pmFinally someone’s saying the truth and MSM is actually reporting it.
It’s unbelievable that our very own congressmen and women are siding with the enemy.
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matthews.frank@gmail.com
Comment by Frank Matthews — April 24, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
So Frank, you watch this clip and see your hero? Did you read where Delay said the same thing about Kosovo?
Will he still be your hero after he’s convicted. Your party makes for some strange bedfellows.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:00 pmfunny it took so long for him to “look it up”…
and that he even HAD to…
back to the garden…
April 24th, 2007 at 2:00 pm…
Not only did Tommy Boy make those statements during Kosovo, but he was also making deals with the Russians for them to come in and cause trouble while US forces were on the ground - exchanging campaign dollars for a Rusian v. American kerfluffle.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:01 pmJimmy Wales,
We are so far from treason it is spectacular that a tool like DeLay should know better than to even bring it up. You righties that think we should have no debate, or tht the Congress should appropriate according to what the President cries for, are the ones who are acting un-american. Dissent is the lif-blood of any democracy. Telling the President he is wrong, has nothing to do with treason.
A quote from a re-nowned Republican former President for you….
“The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else.” - Teddy Roosevelt
April 24th, 2007 at 2:01 pmWhen speaking the truth becomes a “treasonous” act in government, then it is truly ones patriotic duty to be treasonous.
Fcuk you very much O.J (Orange Jumpsuit) DeLay.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:02 pmHere ya go Tom, small parting gift for your stay in prison….let’s see, we have some Vaseline …a blow up sheep to keep you company …and a fresh broomstick to practice for the inevitable …oh, and a muzzle, use it and you might live to see parole …
April 24th, 2007 at 2:04 pmI’ve got one word that summarizes my feelings on what Tom Delay (me away to jail) has to say…
Whatever!
April 24th, 2007 at 2:04 pmI guess Delay should go back to school and learn what it MEANS by the definition of the Constitution….
Section 3 - Treason
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:05 pm#31: Some piss-ant conflict in Kosove has nothing to do with this existential struggle.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:05 pmAnd we are supposed to believe the word of a criminal like Tom the Bugman. I think not.
Tom is one of the worst.
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily
April 24th, 2007 at 2:06 pmis he on the booze again? tom, tom, you’ll be very close to cell block 5 once your convictions are handed down.
Comment by conscriptor — April 24, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
With 15 years of bartending experience in my younger days, my professional opinion is he is pretty drunk on this clip.
Slurring his words and waxing stupid. Better go to rehab before prison or you’ll end up drinking mouthwash and toilet hooch, Tom.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:06 pmTom, have you looked into which federal prison you would like to request?
Not that they will give you a choice. And those club feds you have heard about? They are a myth. Urban legend.
Will you have to serve time in Texas prisons for the indictment already awaiting trial? And would that time served be done before or after the federal indictments that are surely coming your way?
April 24th, 2007 at 2:07 pmFrank Matthews -
Where did you serve again? I forget. Let us know so we can thank you.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:07 pmThe Tribune Review!! It’s the rag Dickie Scaife publishes. Nuf said.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:08 pmI’m really hoping for a conviction in the upcoming trial. “Convicted Felon Tom Delay” has such a nice ring to it.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:09 pmIt won’t be a Havana blunt you’ll be sucking on when you get to your new mansion, Tom Tom……
April 24th, 2007 at 2:09 pmWHY would any respectable news organization be interested in anything this nutjob has to say?
April 24th, 2007 at 2:11 pmSincerely…given his statements since leaving office, how can he be possibly considered credible?
#43: I didn’t serve in our armed forces. Did you? If you didn’t, you’ve got nothing on me. If you did, more power to you but it’s still completely irrelevant to this discussion.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:11 pmCan any troll explain why, if DeLay is correct that Reid and Pelosi are “treasonous”, that charges have not been filed by the DOJ? Put your best LEGAL case forward if you believe this LEGAL term applies.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:13 pmWhen it comes to the U.S. constitution, the rights of Americans, and the rule of law Tom Delay has never had a clue. He is ignorant and doesn’t care to know. Those things get in the way of his criminal acts.
Amazing that we let such a dangerous man have any kind of leadership position.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:14 pmSome piss-ant conflict in Kosove has nothing to do with this existential struggle.
Comment by Frank Matthews — April 24, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
Ah, so it’s not the behavior (which was identical) — it’s the degree of danger the nation faces. Do I have that right?
Doesn’t that kind of introduce a subjective element into an objective realm (the law)? Who gets to judge when we’re involved in an “existential struggle”? You? Tom Delay? The Neocon cabal that has gotten virtually every single judgment about Iraq wrong since 2003?
Or is this a quick way to justify the policy of IOKIYAR?
April 24th, 2007 at 2:14 pmBetrayal of trust…betrayal of trust…let me see. Who does that remind me of?
Hmmm…
April 24th, 2007 at 2:14 pm“I didn’t serve in our armed forces. Did you? If you didn’t, you’ve got nothing on me.”
I have not - I am a pacifist (pause while I wait for your insults).
Weren’t you the one who said no one who hasn’t serve should be allowed to criticize the war?
My question to you: why should someone who hasn’t served be allowed to praise the war?
In other words, neither of us know anything about it, do we, Frank?
April 24th, 2007 at 2:15 pmIf you did, more power to you but it’s still completely irrelevant to this discussion.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:15 pmComment by Frankie Matthews — April 24, 2007 @ 2:11 pm
As are your posts
“I didn’t serve in our armed forces. Did you? If you didn’t, you’ve got nothing on me. If you did, more power to you but it’s still completely irrelevant to this discussion.
Comment by Frank Matthews — April 24, 2007 @ 2:11 pm”
Of course not……
Typical Republican…… All for other people dying for things you are too chicken$hit to do yourself.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:16 pm#49: It would be a slam dunk LEGAL case. However, it would not be politically feasible as the liberal MSM would be all over it, twisting the facts and painting them as heroes.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:16 pmI posted the following on a thread below in response to Happy Guy but I like it enough to carry it over here, with your indulgence, please:
With DeLay in your corner, you will be safe from cockroaches and the truth since he thinks both are pests to be killed.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:16 pmexistential struggle.
Comment by Frank Matthews — April 24, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
I suppose you equate Saddam to Hitler and Bush to Roosevelt/Churchill/Lincoln and the frightful, needless, and illegal occupation of Iraq to WW II.
Ludicrous, Frank, ludicrous.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:17 pmIt is time to ignore Frank Matthews. He is trying to distract from the truth of the topic of this thread: It is a good thing that the “Hammer” is gone from the Halls of Congress. Like Matthews and our current corrupt president, Tom DeLay is irrelevant to anything having to do with the well-being of this Country.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:18 pmThese guys are all certifiably mentally ill. There should be a psychological screening test for ALL politicians.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:18 pm#5 How do you figure that calling this administration on it’s lies to engage us in an amoral, illegal war is somehow “treasonous”?? I believe you’ve got it backwards, sir! It’s treasonous to lie to the american people and engage them in a war based on untruth and outright lies…resulting in the unnecessary carnage of our military…that’s clearly “genocide” in my book.
I believe the american people have spoken and have had enough of the overt corruption in the highest places of this government and it is the responsibility of our elected officials to express the opinion of the people whom they represent. Whether you like that or not is irrelevant.
History will prove that what this administration of smoke & mirrors, steal & conceal has been doing is treasonous against the constitution of this country….not to mention violating every law in the land flagrantly and lying to congress and the american people constitutes perjury as well.
In fact, the real “patriots” in this country are the men & women who have the courage to stand up to treason and high crimes and demand accountability and justice to those perpetuating the crimes. THIS is the “american way” and the patriotic thing to do.
In the words of a true patriot, Thomas Paine: “Let them call me a rebel and welcome. I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of devils, where I to make a whore of my soul”.
‘nuf said!
April 24th, 2007 at 2:19 pmReckless talk from a foolish and corrupt man.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:19 pmI hope little Tommy, the Crook, DeLay is ready to be wearing a jumpsuit soon! Guess we’ll also get to see his “gray hair”, too since they don’t have beauty parlors in prisons!
April 24th, 2007 at 2:20 pmThe Pittsburgh Tribune Review is owned and edited by right wing moneyman….RICHARD MELLON SCAIFE. Look it up….what a loser. Who else would ‘interview’ felon Tom Delay.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:20 pm#53: I’m not praising the war. I’m just seeing it as the necessary evil it is. I don’t have to experience the horrors of the war in order to appreciate how necessary this war is - to the contrary. Those who have experienced war are, to put it politely, biased by their personal horrific experiences and are prone to oppose the war. We need cool, rational, detached personalities deciding whether to go on with the war or not. Not some code pink fanatics.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:20 pm“I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarifiedrules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today”
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-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
Delay fans: why did Tom hate America in 1999?
April 24th, 2007 at 2:20 pmFrank Matthews is just another ignorant pedestrian troll on these threads…..ignore the fool and he’ll slink off into the miasma from which he came.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:21 pmThe actual, demonstrable, scientifically provable difference between neocons and progressives (alternatively, between Frank Matthews and people with an ounce of sense) is that, while both groups may have drawn pictures of tanks and battles in the 3rd grade, neocons and Frank Matthews kept them in a folder and still take them out to look at from time to time.
The rest of us grew up.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:21 pmCan any troll explain why, if DeLay is correct that Reid and Pelosi are “treasonousâ€, that charges have not been filed by the DOJ? Put your best LEGAL case forward if you believe this LEGAL term applies.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — April 24, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
This question is too firmly rooted in reality for the trolls to handle. They are only blowing meaningless crap out their asses anyway. It doesn’t matter whether it makes sense or not.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:21 pmWell, we know what Karl Rove is thinking today. Tommy, ethically challenged, DeLay is only a water carrier. The strategy is the same as from day one with this crew of crooks. Smear, smear and then more smearing. Make it appear as if its coming from someone who knows something. It is always a lie but confusion and distraction is the goal. Don’t expect much to change in the next 20 months.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:22 pm“LET THE CALL ME A REBEL AND WELCOME, I FEEL NO CONCERN FROM IT; BUT I SHOULD SUFFER THE MISERY OF DEVILS, WERE I TO MAKE A WHORE OF MY SOUL”….Thomas Paine
Suffice it to say that the GOP have whored their souls en masse!
April 24th, 2007 at 2:22 pm#58: How can you say that our war in Iraq is unnecessary? Iraq is a frigging hotbed of terrorism. You want to redeploy so that they’ll come after us?
April 24th, 2007 at 2:22 pm“It would be a slam dunk LEGAL case. However, it would not be politically feasible as the liberal MSM would be all over it, twisting the facts and painting them as heroes.
Comment by Frank Matthews — April 24, 2007 @ 2:16 pm”
By all means….. Tell us how it’s a “slam dunk”?
As I see it…. The two conflicts are IDENTICAL!!!! The only difference is the party in charge!
Care to explain your totally rediculous claim?
April 24th, 2007 at 2:22 pmPittsburgh Tribune Review = Richard Mellon Scaife.
Why take this paper seriously? No one in PA does, if they have an IQ over 70, unless they are in with Scaife and his uber rich neocon fascist buddies.
Scaife is a neocon through and through. Of course Delay said this in his paper. Please don’t give this paper any credence. They do not deserve it. It is a politcal rag, not a newspaper.
Delay is DOA in politics in America, he is just too f’ing stupid to realize it yet.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:22 pmBesides, what the hell is any news station dealing with the likes of this indicted criminal?? DeLay is a washed up, corrupt “has been” who was uneducated when he came to Congress and a pimp for his corrupt buddies whose sorry butt will soon be in prison. What’s the deal with this blathering idiot anyway? Perhaps it’s because he dyes his hair? Otherwise, I can’t see any reason to even give this drivel-spewing nincompoop the time of day.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:23 pmTom,
Is it treason or close to treason (your words). I will give you an example of what I understand to be treason:
Mr. X knows that a troop transport is moving in a given location. Mr. X decides to give that information to the enemy. Regardless of the outcome Mr. X has committed treason.
What I believe is that right or wrong Mr. Reid gave his OPINION. Last I checked an OPINION is not TREASON since it gives no advantage to an enemy. More than that we don’t have an enemy in Iraq since we are only there to LIBERATE these people so says the President of the United States of America!! Reid could not have given an enemy that we don’t have in a WAR that is not being fought an advantage because there is no WAR; there is however an occupation and PLUNDER!
April 24th, 2007 at 2:24 pmFrank Matthews: “Some piss-ant conflict in Kosove has nothing to do with this existential struggle.”
Somehow, I think that the American soldiers who served there and the Bosnian muslims who were saved from genocide would have a different opinion, but whatever, Frank. If you think Dana Rohrabaker is a patriot for kissing the Taliban’s ass, you’ll believe anything.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:24 pmYou want to redeploy so that they’ll come after us?
Comment by Frank Matthews — April 24, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
This is bedwetter stuff, Frank.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:25 pmTom’s rug glue has finally seeped into his pea brain.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:25 pmAs for what “Karl Rove is thinking today”, I’d say he’s spending a lot of time in the bathroom….check out the LA Times article on the new “investigation” by the Office of Special Counsel (Scott J. Bloch)against Karl Rove. There will be a full investigation about Rovie’s activities vis-a-vis the attorney debacle as well as all other activities over the past 6 years and the corruption in the white house. Looks like Karl will be joining his buddies soon in prison…..and when Kucinich gets through with Cheney and he’s impeached, then Dumbya will be the only target left. Impeachment may be too good for any of them.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:26 pmFor those who have not yet figured it out, “Frank Matthews” = “Jake”.
Play with it if you wish, but then you cannot complain about the stench on your hands or the “cold sore” that develops.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:26 pm“How can you say that our war in Iraq is unnecessary? Iraq is a frigging hotbed of terrorism. You want to redeploy so that they’ll come after us?”
And thus, Frank Matthews coolly and rationally swallows everything George W. Bush tells him to swallow.
And proves it in a single sentence! Neat.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:27 pmAppearing on Chris Mathew’s Hard Ball ,in March of this year,Tom Delay denied something he wrote himself in his own book.
He distanced himself from what he wrote in his book describing ex- Republican Congressman Dick Armey(TX) as ‘Drunk with Ambition”.
Amazingly, Delay denied writing that in his book even after Mathews confronted him and showed him the underlined passage in his book.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:27 pmOther treasonous comments aimed at Clinton during the war in Kosovo:
“If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy.â€
-Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of presidential candidate George W. Bush
“No goal, no objective, not until we have those things and a compelling case is made, then I say, back out of it, because innocent people are going to die for nothing. That’s why I’m against it.â€
-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/5/99
“I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning…I didn’t think we had done enough in the diplomatic area.â€
-Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)
“You think Vietnam was bad? Vietnam is nothing next to Kosovo.â€
-Tony Snow, Fox News 3/24/99
“Well, I just think it’s a bad idea. What’s going to happen is they’re going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 yearsâ€
-Joe Scarborough (R-FL)
“I’m on the Senate Intelligence Committee, so you can trust me and believe me when I say we’re running out of cruise missles. I can’t tell you exactly how many we have left, for security reasons, but we’re almost out of cruise missles.â€
-Senator Inhofe (R-OK )
“I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarifiedrules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan todayâ€
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
“Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?â€
-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is.â€
-Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)
“This is President Clinton’s war, and when he falls flat on his face, that’s his problem.â€
April 24th, 2007 at 2:27 pm-Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN)

“You can support the troops but not the presidentâ€
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

“This has been an unmitigated disaster … Ask the Chinese embassy. Ask all the people in Belgrade that we’ve killed. Ask the refugees that we’ve killed. Ask the people in nursing homes. Ask the people in hospitals.â€
-Representative Joe Scarborough (R-FL)
Frank is a sycophantic GOP whore….and a blathering idiot troll. Ignore him because he’s trying to hijack the thread. Out, out, damn spot, Frank Matthews! hahaha!
April 24th, 2007 at 2:27 pm“biased by their personal horrific experiences and are prone to oppose the war. We need cool, rational, detached personalities deciding whether to go on with the war or not. Not some code pink fanatics.
Comment by Frank Matthews — April 24, 2007 @ 2:20 pm”
Why do you think they are biased AGAINST WAR?????
Could it be because they have been in action and have seen FIRST HAND what it not only does to the soldier, but also the people who are effected in the country they are engaged in?????
God forbid we should actually have people who know what they are talking about pointing out the REASONS we should not do this……
Please go back to your stone and chissels….. Since things that are sceintific and logical do not make sense to you, you need to revert back to time before this technology.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:27 pmA lot of people worked very hard to remove the “Hammer” from public office because he was (and still is) completely and thoroughly corrupt. Anything he says can be assumed to be a complete lie and totally without merit.
People who support him have an agenda that is antithetical to the good of this country.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:28 pmNot some code pink fanatics.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:28 pmComment by Frank Matthews Goes to Hollywood — April 24, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
Yeah, because those that hadn’t served, like your sorry, wimpy a$$, have done so well the last 6 years.
don’t ever…EVER…put down our brave men and women who serve, or who have served, you pansy!
Yep, it was Tom DeLay, the double-talking two-timing sycophantic whore who spouted off those infamous words: “you can support the war without supporting the president”….I guess that was treasonous back then, too???
April 24th, 2007 at 2:29 pm#86: So you think decisions like waging a war should be made based on the emotional reactions of people who have been horrified by it? WTF?
April 24th, 2007 at 2:29 pmBe sure to check out the LA Times Article about the Office of the Special Counsel who just launched a full investigation into the activities of Karl Rove over the past 6 years….(Scott J. Bloch,attorney). Hoorah!!! It can’t convene soon enough for the american people. He’s a total sicko and fraud.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:30 pmWould someone please put this bastard Tom DeLay behind bars so that the media will cease to prop him up on these issues.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:31 pmTom DeLay will say almost anything for political gain.
The fact is that we invaded a foreign country for no good reason and have been occupying it for almost four years. It’s time to end the occupation.
Harry Reid is saying the same thing that the American people are saying and that other responsible politicians and military men have said: This occupation is not winnable militarily. We must solve the problem politically through negotiations.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:31 pmI agree with hterrya — it’s time to ignore Frank Mathews. We gave him enough rope and he’s hung himself on his own bankrupt arguments.
Just another failed troll.
(sigh)
Why can’t TP attract a decent class of troll?
April 24th, 2007 at 2:32 pm#77: Bluedog49. Uhhuh? And you like the muslims so much, because…?
April 24th, 2007 at 2:32 pmNo Frank, dearest, I believe waging war should be based on factual date, not outright lies! Get a life, irrelevant troll!!
April 24th, 2007 at 2:32 pm“Since things that are sceintific and logical do not make sense to you”
The thing is, the inability to follow very basic logic is both the neocons’ greatest shortcoming … but it also makes it impossible to constructively argue with them.
I don’t know how many times on this site a ‘con has enjoined me to “use logic” when what s/he really means is “use the blind, irrational, feeling I have in my gut.” They simply don’t know what the word logic means - they /can’t/, you see, because actual real thought is terribly dangerous to them and their “cause.”
April 24th, 2007 at 2:32 pmdata….frank….data……NOT lies, lies, lies!
April 24th, 2007 at 2:32 pmTom Delay should be in jail already.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:32 pmHey Frank….you got a brother named Jake or Firehead by any chance….or is that simply your alter-ego new moniker?
April 24th, 2007 at 2:33 pmFrank,
So you think decisions like waging a war should be made based on the emotional reactions of people who have no clue what the consequences and realities of warfare are? WTF?
April 24th, 2007 at 2:33 pm#55 you got that right.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:34 pm#78 true also but frank knows that already. it knows it’slying we know it’s lying. Responding to it just validates it’s exsistence
#86: So you think decisions like waging a war should be made based on the emotional reactions of people who have been horrified by it? WTF?
Comment by Frank Matthews
Ooops, there went John McCain under your bus…
April 24th, 2007 at 2:34 pmLet’s freeze Frank Matthews out. Just another simpleton troll attempting to hijack the thread. It does make one wonder why these trolls who are in brainwashed lockstep with their reichwing counterparts aren’t interested in posting on those contaminated threads? Hmmmmm…..
April 24th, 2007 at 2:34 pmPlease, please, Progressives: IGNORE FRANK MATTHEWS!
He is a deranged psychopath. He belongs in a mental ward, not posting on this thread.
IGNORE HIM, PLEASE!
April 24th, 2007 at 2:35 pm“So you think decisions like waging a war should be made based on the emotional reactions of people who have been horrified by it? WTF?
Comment by Frank Matthews — April 24, 2007 @ 2:29 pm”
A$$WIPE!!!! It should be made LOGICALLY!!!!
Something the Republicans know NOTHING about!
Military people, who know first hand, should be involved and thier experience should be considered very hevily!!!!!
I guess that YOU want someone who has only studied safety, and never actually performed any real testing, to be in charge of the Automobile Safety Facility????? Rather than someone who has not only spent YEARS in the field, but also worked in areas that are heavily related to automobiles????
……..
What the hell was I thinking?????? Of course this bozo wants a fresh out of college person in charge and running the facility…… To hell with what the professionals say about how to conduct crashes properly in order to ensure the correct data is taken.
IDIOT!
April 24th, 2007 at 2:35 pm“And you like the muslims so much, because…?”
I like Muslims (in the abstract, although I also have specific Muslim friends) partly because like many of the world’s cultures, they are a /great/ culture: great contributions to science, literature, art, technology.
What have you contributed to the world’s culture, Frank? We know military service is not on the list. What else haven’t you done?
April 24th, 2007 at 2:35 pmTop 10 Signs Of A Facist State
1 Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
It is not that global Islamist terrorism is not a severe danger; of course it is. Spanish citizens know that they face a grave security threat; what American citizens believe is that we are potentially threatened with the end of civilisation as we know it. Of course, this makes us more willing to accept restrictions on our freedoms.
2 Create a gulag
How about Guantanamo in Cuba, where detainees are abused, and kept indefinitely without trial and without access to the due process of the law. America certainly has its gulag now.
3 Develop a thug caste
Blackwater and other security operations in places like New Orleans
4 Set up an internal surveillance system
A secret state programme to wiretap citizens’ phones, read their emails and follow international financial transactions. See here
5 Harass citizens’ groups
Thousands of ordinary American anti-war, environmental and other groups have been infiltrated by agents: a secret Pentagon database includes more than four dozen peaceful anti-war meetings, rallies or marches by American citizens in its category of 1,500 “suspicious incidents”.
6 Engage in arbitrary detention and release
In a closing or closed society there is a “list” of dissidents and opposition leaders: you are targeted in this way once you are on the list, and it is hard to get off the list. A bit like the ‘no fly’ watch list.
7 Target key individuals
Bush supporters in state legislatures in several states put pressure on regents at state universities to penalise or fire academics who have been critical of the administration. Oh, and 8 US attorneys purged for not showing enough loyalty.
8 Control the press
The Committee to Protect Journalists says arrests of US journalists are at an all-time high.
You won’t have a shutdown of news in modern America - it is not possible. But you can have a steady stream of lies polluting the news well.
9 Dissent equals treason
When Bill Keller, the publisher of the New York Times, ran the Lichtblau/Risen stories, Bush called the Times’ leaking of classified information “disgraceful”, while Republicans in Congress called for Keller to be charged with treason, and rightwing commentators and news outlets kept up the “treason” drumbeat. Some commentators reminded readers smugly that one penalty for violating the Espionage Act is execution.
10 Suspend the rule of law
A disturbing recent phenomenon in Washington is that laws that strike to the heart of American democracy have been passed in the dead of night. Beyond actual insurrection, the president may now use military troops as a domestic police force in response to a natural disaster, a disease outbreak, terrorist attack or any ‘other condition’.”
Read
April 24th, 2007 at 2:35 pmThe republicans crossed the treason line along time ago…
Why did the Bush regime surrender to Saudi Arabia on 9/12 … over a cigar?
April 24th, 2007 at 2:35 pmFed Up, if Frank Mathews = Jake, then he’s adapted to the environment and altered his voice slightly. I’m not saying he’s not Jake, but up to this point Jake has been instantly identifiable whenever he’s signed on under a new name.
Frank Mathews certainly talks from the same script, but I’m not convinced yet that it’s the Jake we all know and are amused by.
Why is this worth discussing? Because at this point, FM may be a sincere but misguided right-winger who seeks to enlighten all of us poor souls. Once we have a positive ID as Jake, of course, he instantly is outed as a dishonest troll strung out on right-wing crack.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:38 pmAnd, not surpisingly, Frank does not accept the scientific consensus on global warming. Frank, incurious and willfully ignorant, makes an excellent Bush acolyte.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:38 pmLook, I hate the f*cking Jews just as much as you guys, that’s why we need to nuke Iran/Iraq, so the Jews can be annihilated!!!
April 24th, 2007 at 2:38 pmI agree that Frank Matthews = Jake. Everyone put him on your Ignore List.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:39 pmYou want to redeploy so that they’ll come after us?
Comment by Frank Matthews — April 24, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
#86: So you think decisions like waging a war should be made based on the emotional reactions of people who have been horrified by it? WTF?
Both Comments by Frank Matthews - April 24, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
I wonder if Frank thinks decisions like when it’s time to cut your losses and re-deploy should be made based on the emotional reactions of people who are scared shiitless?!
April 24th, 2007 at 2:39 pmHe’s obviously mentally ill. Why does anyone give that whackjob a podium to spew his nonsense?
April 24th, 2007 at 2:40 pmI could almost smell the alcohol on the man’s breath wafting through my screen….
April 24th, 2007 at 2:41 pm#107: Oh please. Great muslim achievements. WTF… honor killings, sharia law and female circumcision?
April 24th, 2007 at 2:41 pmFrank, why not just admit that you’re a chickenshit and move on?
April 24th, 2007 at 2:42 pmI’m not Jake. I’m smarter than him.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:42 pmI’m not so sure that Frank is Jake. He does write with a different voice. I think Frank is slightly more sophisticated than Jake.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:42 pm#84. Great reminders. The more I read here it’s becoming clear that there are people who are mad that the Democrats did it right and the right keep getting it wrong.
Gov. Bush wanted to know what the exit strategy was for Kosovo. President Bush thinks knowing the exit strategy will be just what the terrorists are expecting.
Yesterday Bush said he didn’t like that Politicians tell Generals how to do their job. That’s in direct conflict with the build up to the conflict in Iraq and the execution of tasks after the fall of Saddam.
Bush’s flip flops and flops and flops.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:43 pmDeLay is about to be convicted, and he has the nerve to attack Pelosi and Reid? Typical right-wing behavior; when your fat is in the fire, you attack your enemies.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:44 pmWhy hasn’t someone squashed him like a bug yet? Oh, yeah, he would have to do it to himself! LOL
April 24th, 2007 at 2:45 pm#112: Ah yes. The good old liberal trick from the Raw Story days. Posting stuff like that under someone else’s nick. Very adult…
April 24th, 2007 at 2:45 pmBye Bye tommy.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:46 pmBaiting and switching Iraq for Osama is TREASON.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:46 pmIf Delay believes this, why doesn’t he introduce articles of impeachment, or bring charges against them? He could at least try to influence the others that he works with in Congress … Oh, yeah…
April 24th, 2007 at 2:47 pmComment by Frank Matthews — April 24, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
Don’t forget Algebra, Astronomy, irrigation, law, music…..
April 24th, 2007 at 2:47 pmObviously, decisions about waging war should be made by cooler heads.
Like, for example, a commander-in-chief who, when informed of a large-scale terrorist attack on our soil, has the presence of mind to finish reading “My Pet Goat” to an elementary school class.
(My hero.)
April 24th, 2007 at 2:47 pm#86: So you think decisions like waging a war should be made based on the emotional reactions of people who have been horrified by it? WTF?
Comment by Frank Matthews — April 24, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
The exact reason people are anti-abortion.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:47 pmComment by hacker bob — April 24, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
Could you leave algebra off that list, we need to point out the good things.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:50 pmWith this administration, everyone in the whole country is “very, very close to treason”, as well as being very close to being declared an enemy combatant and hauled away to a secret prison. All that is required, in some eyes, is criticism of our “War Presnit”
“Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.”
April 24th, 2007 at 2:51 pm- Samuel Johnson
The topic of this thread is in danger of being derailed, exactly as the NeoCon apologist posting on here has planned.
Progressives, again, please remember that the topic of this thread is the outrageous comments of a failed, corrupt, NeoCon, indicted felon. He is sliming Pelosi and Reid who are his superiors in every way.
The “Hammer” was once a big shot among the NeoCons. Now he is nothing but a NeoCon apologist. He can’t be convicted and jailed too soon for me!
April 24th, 2007 at 2:52 pmGiving Tom DeLay any credibility is like encouraging John McCain to shop Baghdad markets in his Speedo.
And why is Newt Grinch getting air time? Giving him credibility is like watching KKKarl Rove hip hop to a Sheryl Crow song.
Or asking G. Bush to speak a complete sentence.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:52 pmDeLay is just trying to be relevent. The 2nd update states it clearly. Their is no treason on the Democratic side. There are arguments that are being voiced now about treason from some Republicans so thanks Frank for letting the good people here hone their debating skills against your thick skull.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:53 pmWhen the 1917 Espionage Act was last widely invoked, during the infamous 1919 Palmer Raids, leftist activists were arrested without warrants in sweeping roundups, kept in jail for up to five months, and “beaten, starved, suffocated, tortured and threatened with death”, according to the historian Myra MacPherson. After that, dissent was muted in America for a decade.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:53 pmCould it happen again?
These guys write books that no one reads, or cares to either. They go on television and spew ridiculous garbage constantly, only for the 30 percenters (backwash) and the pundits. They write in MSM newspapers where their bloviated lies get a national forum., but again, only the backwash is believing it. All the rest of us shake our heads in collective anger and frustration, and wonder continuously WTF?????
April 24th, 2007 at 2:53 pmCan’t teach and old dog new tricks, so he’s still calling Democrats traitors!
It’s sad, really. He’s just a sad, sad, man.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:53 pmWhat Tommy “under INDICTMENT” Delay fails to ADMIT is that
I HAVE ALREADY COMMITTED TREASON by
1 Starting WARS based on LIES and AGGRESSION.
2. Exposed CIA spies specializing in WMD, because they told the
TRUTH ABOUT WHAT I HAVE DONE.
3, ILLEGALLY spied on the citizens of the USA.
Gonzo says “we won’t do it anymore,” so you KNOW it’s TRUE….
And so much MORE.
MY EVIL done as the “president” of the USA will hurt the USA for years in diplomacy, and I have created THOUSANDS of NEW TERRORISTS.
And Osama (mah good buddy) is STILL FREE 5 1/2 years later…
And I and all my followers will BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY.
See you in hell Tommy and my Nazi azzlickers (cause I’LL be THERE),
Mr. Bush
April 24th, 2007 at 2:53 pmMURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
TRAITOR TO THE USA (TM)
The “Hammer†was once a big shot among the NeoCons. Now he is nothing but a NeoCon apologist. He can’t be convicted and jailed too soon for me!
Comment by hterrya — April 24, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
Actually, I think Gonzales was on his way over to do that, but forgot where he was and couldn’t recall what he needed to do.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:54 pmHe looked up the word, and failed to mention the second variation of treason. From Merriam-Webster onliine dictionary:
1 : the betrayal of a trust : TREACHERY
2 : the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign’s family
The sovereign or his family. His royal high-ness. Bugman and his ilk need to look up the word democracy. Nitwits.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:55 pmYou want to redeploy so that they’ll come after us?
Comment by Frank Matthews — April 24, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
This is bedwetter stuff, Frank.
Comment by VerbalKint — April 24, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
That’s the Republican mindset: Me,me,me, don’t let them come after me. And they don’t care how many innocents die as long as they don’t have to fight or pay any taxes. If these Republicans had to pay a “war tax” it would be over yesterday.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:55 pm“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.”
Harry Reid and many Democrats are giving aid and comfort to our enemies with the words they speak. The terrorist know that if Democrats have their way, they will have a field day in countries like Iraq.
Yes, Harry Reid is a traitor. It is obvious.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:57 pmIsn’t he UNDER INDICTMENT for SELLING INFLUENCE of the USA??
Like Jackemoff, the CONVICTED FELON buddy of Delay???
Sounds like VERY CLOSE TO TREASON to me…
And I’M SERIOUS!!
See you in hell Tommy (cause I’LL be THERE),
Mr. Bush
April 24th, 2007 at 2:57 pmMURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR TO THE USA (TM)
#132: Since September of last year, when Congress wrongly, foolishly, passed the Military Commissions Act of 2006, the president has the power to call any US citizen an “enemy combatant”.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:58 pmHe has the power to define what “enemy combatant” means. The president can also delegate to anyone he chooses in the executive branch the right to define “enemy combatant” any way he or she wants and then seize Americans accordingly.
#120,
The syntax is slightly different (trying to be a little more folksy), but the strategy is the same and intention is the same.
I could be wrong about the dual identities, but even so that would just mean that there is another person trying to derail the truth with vagaries and deception.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:59 pmComment by Valiantthehater — April 24, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
Exactly how are they giving aid and comfort to our enemies? Most “terrorists” have no idea what a democrat is. I spent over a year in Iraq, and you are so far off it is amazing.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:59 pm128 - Yeah, seriously. Persia, Egypt, Babylonia, China, India and Greece were all making great strides in astronomy before we were even burning witches.
As for DeLay, well “The Slammer” deserves as much contempt and as little attention as the trolls do.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:00 pmFrank Matthews
War is an expensive waste of resources which rarely achieves its stated aims. The stated aim in Iraq was to take out Saddam Hussien and put in a secular, stable democratic government in his place.
Instead what you have is an unpopular puppet operating under a Islamic constitution who may have ties to terrorist groups, “ruling” a country which is engaged in a civil war.
Further, you have a situation where that puppet is unlikely to maintain his position without constant American military aid, which is going to be a constant leech on America’s financial and human resources. While I know the latter does not concern you, due to your stated indifference to the continued lives of your countrymen, the former should at least give you some pause.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:00 pm#91 bloch is a bush apointed rethug operative. Any investigation he carries out will be designed to exonerate kkkarl and cover up the evidence
April 24th, 2007 at 3:00 pmMerriam-Webster online dictionary, treason:
1 : the betrayal of a trust : TREACHERY
2 : the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign’s family.
I mean, since he “looked it up”, I looked it up. Even a student would know to recite the full definition, including #2, which is the basis of how the entire rightwing sees everything. They believe, oh how they fervently believe their beliefs! America is a theocracy and W is a king, and the king’s court gets to fling around words like treason unchallenged by the press — and he’s not the only one.
A Joe McCarthy moment is coming for someone in this government.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:01 pmThat’s MY belief.
Tom keeps a copy of the Constitution on him so he can reference the definition of treason while skulking about D.C.? Interesting…
Somehow reminds me of that scene in Stripes when Murray and Ramis are in the recruiter’s office…Ramis played by Abramoff and Murray played by DeLay…
Recruiter: “Have you ever been convicted of a felony?”
Delay: “Convicted? No. Well, not yet anyway…”
Abramoff: “AHEM, um, well, uh…”
April 24th, 2007 at 3:03 pmThis was an ILLEGAL and UNJUST WAR. Their was no TERRORIST IN iRAQ before we invaded their country in 2003. It is the Right Wing Nuts that say we need to fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them here. What BS.
I am glad that Reid and Pelois are standing up to Bush. We need to bring our Troops NOW. This is not tresonous as Delay says. I don’t know why the media gives this guy any TV time.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:05 pmDear Frank, I served in a war I supported. I don’t support this one. Don’t be terrorized by terrorism. I’m not terrorized, the tactic doesn’t work with me.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:06 pmBTW, having the terrorists “follow us to America” has its advantages. Home field advantage throughout the series and the increased likelihood of Tom “ass chaps” Delay getting hit by “friendly fire.”
hterrya: Hmm… now who’s derailing this thread? How many similar posts have you already made about how people should ignore me?
Oh well. Don’t worry. I’l be leaving this site now. It’s been fun few days, but the challenge hasn’t been quite what I expected. I’m not jake, j.j., firehead, venus or any other troll you seem to think I am. I’m one of a kind, smarter than any of them, and I’ll just move on to another liberal blog when - if - I feel like it.
As far as I am concerned, you can have your precious little echo-chamber virtual utopia back. You know, a place where all you and your friendly, non-confrontational PC progressive friends can discuss your little ideas without nasty little “republicans” (which is, of course, your general term for anyone who disagrees with you) like me intervening with your thought processes.
That utopia does sound a lot like green little footballs or free republic where groupthink is the norm, now doesn’t it? Don’t let it bother you. Just go with the flow. After all, you’ll be free to discuss - with no opposition or criticism - your wonderful ideas like how you’re going to save the world by impeaching Gonzales.
Good luck. Good night. I’m gone.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:07 pmMatt - Here’s an idea - please tell us all why Harry Reids’ “the war is Lost” statement is NOT giving aid and comfort to the radical Muslim enemies of the US and West.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:07 pmTom Delay is very very close to sacrilege:
- “Let people see Christ through me.”
- “People hate the messenger. That’s why they killed Christ.”
April 24th, 2007 at 3:08 pmI don’t understand why the republicans believe that if we bring the troops home the Sunnis will move here to fight the Shiites (who will also have to move here so they can fight the Sunnis).
April 24th, 2007 at 3:09 pmPrepared to be buggered, Bugman.
Not that there anything wrong with it…
April 24th, 2007 at 3:10 pmComment by Frank Matthews — April 24, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
frank, you ignorant putz. google “female circumcision islam” and you’ll find many articles informing you that no act of female circumcision is part of islamic teaching.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:11 pmThe bulk of UK treason legislation (what the US definition is based on) dates back 750 years to the reign of Edward III.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:12 pmAn act of treason was defined as being, “When a Man doth compass or imagine the Death of our Lord the King, or of our Lady his Queen, or of their eldest Son and Heir; or if a man do violate the King’s companion or the King’s eldest Daughter unmarried or if a Man do levy War against the King they ought to be judged Treason.â€
The UK treason laws were last debated in 1998, when the death sentence the charge carried was commuted to life imprisonment.
Comment by Frank Matthews — April 24, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
Hi, Jake.
You’re not fooling anyone, you know. ^_^
April 24th, 2007 at 3:12 pmWhen are the democrats going to take off the fu*king kid gloves. It is time for this garbage to end. The Bush administartion is ruining this country, with the help of fu*k heads like Frank and jake and the rest of these fu*king brown shirts.
It is time to take the country back. By force if needed.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:13 pm#48 #43: I didn’t serve in our armed forces. Did you? If you didn’t, you’ve got nothing on me. If you did, more power to you but it’s still completely irrelevant to this discussion. Frank Matthews
Frank,
I did serve in the military, for almost 23 years, including two tours in Vietnam, and my service IS relevant to this discussion.
I, like a very large number of retired and active military officers, opposed the invasion of Iraq for many reasons. I will mention two: 1) It distracted us from killing/capturing Bin Laden, the 9/11 perpetrator and the al Qaeda leadership and 2) Saddam was no threat.
In a very prescient report in January 2004, the Army War College broadly criticized the Bush administration’s handling of the war on terrorism, accusing it of taking a detour into an “unnecessary” war in Iraq and pursuing an “unrealistic” quest against terrorism that may lead to U.S. wars with states that pose no serious threat.
Since the invasion Bush, through sheer incompetence, has turned a war that he and his supporters such as Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, said would last perhaps 6 months and be paid for by Iraqi oil revenue into a war with no end in sight, which only benefits our enemies.
Our troops are in an untenable position, caught in the middle of a civil war. Our expenditures in terms of casualties (including Iraqis); monetary costs and loss of allies we badly need, are mind boggling.
Our troops, who I associate with and care deeply about, are worn out and so completely tied down in Iraq so that they are unable to respond to other emergencies.
We need to follow the recommendations of the bipartisan Iraq Study Group and start to redeploy our troops so we can focus on going after terrorists where they are most threatening; in Pakistan, Bin Laden’s new HQ and training area, and small terrorist cells around the world.
We need to focus on homeland security and intelligence and police work with our allies to thwart terrorist attacks on our homeland. This and removing the roots of terrorism, a long term project, is what it will take to win the war against terrorists.
Your president cannot seem to understand or accept this. His response has never changed - it continues to be the discredited “stay the course”, no renamed the “surge†which to me means that our troops will be tied down in Iraq in combat that only benefits the bad guys for the foreseeable future.
The Democrats, including this “librul” Vietnam Vet, have every right to call for our troops to begin redeploying out of Iraq. When I completed my first tour in Vietnam in mid-1968 we had 20,000 KIA. LBJ and Robert McNamara, had decided we needed to end the war. It took them and Nixon another 4 years and an additional 38,000 US servicemen KIA, before they could admit that there was no military solution to the Vietnam War and sign a truce with the North Vietnamese.
I do not want any more of my soldiers to be killed or wounded in Iraq.
Fred Seamon
April 24th, 2007 at 3:13 pmLieutenant Colonel
U.S. Army, Retired