Giuliani warns of ‘new 9/11.’
By on Apr 24th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
Giuliani warns of ‘new 9/11.’
In a stunning politicization of national security, Rudy Giuliani said today that “if a Democrat is elected president in 2008, America will be at risk for another terrorist attack on the scale of Sept. 11, 2001. But if a Republican is elected, he said, especially if it is him, terrorist attacks can be anticipated and stopped.” (Via Atrios)
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I don’t think this will sell very well to the American people. They’ve seen the number of terrorists in the world grow under Republican leadership. They’ve seen their world become much more dangerous. Where is his evidence, hmm? What proof does he have that we’re ‘at risk’ here? Does he think he’s another ‘decider’?
April 24th, 2007 at 10:03 pmFrom the moment the next Democratic President takes office, every Republican in America will be praying for another big terror attack like 9/11.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:03 pmYeah, cause Rudy did such a good job of anticipating 9/11 and stopping it.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:04 pmSpeechless.
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April 24th, 2007 at 10:05 pmm
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The new, and not so improved Hitler Version 3!
April 24th, 2007 at 10:06 pmHere we go again. Taking a page from the Repug Book on Smear Rudi? What an Idiot!!
April 24th, 2007 at 10:06 pmWhat kind of deal did the a**hole make with the terrists? Did bushco fund the bribe? Did he include Mrs. Pelosi as one of the seven hundred nd sixt-nine virgins the little sheet heads get to play with? I am not sure I would have admitted my connection with the emeny. Maybe he had the blessing of the pope.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:07 pma warning to you all- vote for this man and live in hell
April 24th, 2007 at 10:07 pmF*ck you, Giuliani. I say that most sincerely — F*ck you.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:07 pmI’m waiting patiently for these bastards to drown in their own bullsh*t
April 24th, 2007 at 10:08 pmFrom the moment the next Democratic President takes office, every Republican in America will be praying for another big terror attack like 9/11.
Comment by Perry Logan
Only the ones that are sick f*cks. I mean to wish American deaths for a political points, that is sick
Oh, yeah, you said Republicans….
April 24th, 2007 at 10:09 pmwhat, another hack republican making threats on the usa if you dont vote for them? where in the hell have we heard that before?
f.u. JULIEanti
April 24th, 2007 at 10:10 pmthe fear factor…enough said
April 24th, 2007 at 10:11 pmF*ck you, Giuliani. I say that most sincerely — F*ck you.
Comment by Zooey
I second that remark.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:11 pmWell said, Mr. Mayor. As a native New Yorker and someone who was in New York on 9/11, I applaud your leadership not only on that day but in the years prior in which you saved a great American city. I also applaud your clear understanding of the threat posed by Al Qaeda.
Giuliani in 2008!
April 24th, 2007 at 10:11 pm#
Yeah, cause Rudy did such a good job of anticipating 9/11 and stopping it.
Comment by ann — April 24, 2007 @ 10:04 pm
Well my thoughts.. 9-11 was allowed to happen to grab power.
We won’t see another 9-11 under Bush, then his whole mantra of fighting them over there goes down the crapper..
But I think we will after 2008 and there’s a Dem president. GOP’ers are mentally sick. We know it was a GOP’er who did the last terrorist attack mailing Anthrax to Democrats. We know it’s always the GOP’ers who commit things like the Oklahoma Bombing, and of course there’s bombing “planned parenthoods”. Not to mention it’s always those GOP’ers caught molesting children.
The GOP is a virus upon the world.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:12 pmBut, Rudy, it was a Republican White House and a Republican Congress that allowed, and some say promoted, September 11.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:12 pmYou know, I think the American People Have had their say about tactics like Rudis’. Basically they’ve had it with them. I think “America’s Mayor” looks and sounds like a perfect fool saying that. It won’t work. NOT THIS TIME!!!
April 24th, 2007 at 10:12 pmWhy does Rudi Giuliani hate the American People and his Country?
April 24th, 2007 at 10:13 pmBecause Republicans have done such a good job at running this ‘war’, and quelling the unrest that puts America at risk of such attacks…
Oh….wait…..
April 24th, 2007 at 10:14 pmExley, take your meds boy.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:14 pmComment by Exley
So, Exley
April 24th, 2007 at 10:15 pmAre you saying too that if a Democrat is elected, there will be another 9/11?
You agree with that outlandish statement?
OK -
Wait a damn minute -
Wasn’t it Clinton that told Bush that he’d spend a lot of time on ObL?
The piece of advice that Bush ignored?
…That lead to to worst terrorist attack on US soil……
How dare they….
April 24th, 2007 at 10:15 pm#19-cause he’s a di@k.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:16 pmThis is right up there with BushCo’s claims that there hasn’t been another terrorist attck on US soil since 9/11 – they always omit the fact that 9/11 happened on their watch.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:16 pm“Comment by Exley — April 24, 2007 @ 10:11 pm”
Typical Rebulican DRONE!!!!
See what your “hero” said about WTC7??
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/240407giulianilie.htm
“Rudy Giuliani has been caught in a bizarre lie about WTC 7, in which he claims the building collapsed in stages over a sustained period of time, when in reality the structure fell in under seven seconds.
…
Giuliani is asked if he had expected the twin towers to collapse on 9/11. Here is his response.
“Yeah, but not in the way they did.”
“It occurred to us all that they might ultimately collapse over….the way buildings usually collapse, which is in stages.
….
It looked like at some point the top of the building would come off, and then maybe the middle of the building and then maybe there’d be a shell left….the way number 7 came down 4 or 5 o’clock in the afternoon – over a period of time – but the idea that it would implode, the implosion that took place, I actually didn’t realize that until much later.”
April 24th, 2007 at 10:16 pmThis coming from the guy who thought it was a good idea to put NYC’s Emergency Operations Center in the WTC. Riiiiight.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:17 pmExley –
As someone who, despite not being a native New Yorker, WAS living in NY when 9/11 happened, I’ll make some concessions.
Rudy did show some nice leadership right after the disaster. More than Bush anyways, though that sets the bar low.
THat said…it makes it that much worse that Guliani would politicize this so much, as to constantly invoke the spectre of 9/11 and outright claim that if his opponents win, America is inviting another attack of that magnitude. He’s not worried about safety at this point. He’s worried about painting Democrats as the doom of this country, and that is where he becomes a grade A 100% asshat.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:17 pmoops i meant #20…
April 24th, 2007 at 10:19 pmI had to type this by hand because the PDF is an image instead of text… so I only got article I (because I am too lazy to type the rest…) and there may be a few typos on my part… a link to the rest is at the end….
Synapsis of Articles of Impeachment Against Vice President Richard B. Cheney
Articles ofimpeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America inthe name of itself and of the peopleof the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors.
Artice I
The Vice President of the United States, Richard B. Cheney, has purposely manipulated the intelligence process to deceive the citizens and Congress of the United States by fabricating a threat of Iraqi weapons ofmass destruction to justify the use of the U.S. ArmedForces against the nation of Iraq in a manner damaging to our national security interests.
(1) Despite all evidence to the contrary, the Vice President actively and systematically sought to deceive the citizens and Congress of the United States about an alleged threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.
(2) Preceding the March 2003 invasion of Iraq the Vice President was fully informed that no legitimate evidence existed of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The Vice President pressured the intelligence community to change their findings to enable the deception of the citizens and Congress of the United States.
(3) The Vice President’s actions corrupted or attempted to corrupt the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate, an intelligence document issued on October 1, 2002 vote to autorize the use of force. The Vice President’s actions prevented the necessary reconciliation of facts for the National Intellgence Estimate which resulted in a high number of dissenting opinions from technical experts in two federal agencies.
The Vice President subverted the national security interests of the United States by setting the stage for the loss of more than 3,300 United States service members; the loss of 650,000 Iraqi citizens since the U.S. invasion; the loss of approximately $500 billion in war costs which has increased our federal debt; the loss of military readiness within the United States Armed Services due to overextension, lack of training and lack of equipment; the loss of United States credibility in world affairs; and the decares of likely blowback created by the invasion of Iraq.
kucinich.house.gov/SpotlightIssues/documents.htm
April 24th, 2007 at 10:20 pmSo tell us Rudy, how will get you get the CIA ignoring threats and NORAD standing down while Democrats are in charge?
I thought only George and Dick can do that.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:20 pmargentino has morphed into exley
April 24th, 2007 at 10:20 pmMaybe he is just saying… you know … because Bush stoped 911 that proves that democrats wont stop the next 911… hold on… that dont make since….
April 24th, 2007 at 10:22 pmMaybe what they mean is that there will be another ANTHRAX terrorist attack… and they actually can claim to have a pretty good insider knowledge on that happening again….
April 24th, 2007 at 10:23 pmRudy, Rudy, Rudy…
I see you’re taking a page from the Dick Cheney playbook. That’s so 2004.
But then again, seems to be your entire strategy is based on the old mantra “if you can’t dazzle ‘em with brilliance, baffle ‘em with bulls**t”.
Pardon me whilst I get my hip waders.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:24 pm#15 – Comment by Exley — April 24, 2007 @ 10:11 pm
“Well said, Mr. Mayor. …Giuliani in 2008!”
It is so refreshing to have Exley supporting a woman’s right to choose, as supported by Giuliani!
Let’s all applaud Exley, AND THEN IGNORE HIM!
April 24th, 2007 at 10:27 pmRudy–where’s Osama Bin Laden?
April 24th, 2007 at 10:27 pmWow, haven’t seen that talking point trotted out since before the last elections, when Democrats overwhelmingly won.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:27 pmWell, there goes the last remaining credibility Giuliani had. With me anyway. Another addition to the list of who not to vote for.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:28 pmI also applaud your clear understanding of the threat posed by Al Qaeda.
Giuliani in 2008!
Comment by Exley
For heaven’s sake, stop pissing your pants and open your eyes.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:28 pmGuiliani – McCain – Romney. Nuff said.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:28 pm#23 Wayne,
If you look at the Politico article and what Giuliani is quoted as saying, despite the breathless (and inaccurate) headline, he never says that if a Democrat is elected a ‘new 9/11′ will definitely occur. The Politico (and TP) headline is misleading. What Giuliani is saying is that Republican and Democrats have very different ideas on how to to fight Al Qaeda and other Islamic extremist groups.
Here is what he actually said:
America would ultimately defeat terrorism no matter which party gains the White House.
“But the question is how long will it take and how many casualties will we have?†Giuliani said. “If we are on defense (with a Democratic president,) we will have more losses and it will go on longer.†— A perfecly reasonable argument and one with which I agree.
Let’s look at what else he said is proposed by Democrats:
“We will wave the white flag on Iraq.” True. You can’t deny that.
We will cut back on the Patriot Act, electronic surveillance, interrogation ” True. Democrats have been calling for that now for years.
“and we will be back to our pre-Sept. 11 attitude of defense.†Also undeniably true.
So, Wayne, what did Giuliani say there that is not accurate?
April 24th, 2007 at 10:29 pmOh are you kidding me?!!?!?
But who are we kidding…most of the American people are dumb enough to buy this line of bullsh*t….
April 24th, 2007 at 10:29 pmRudy’s a sack of shit.
-GSD
April 24th, 2007 at 10:30 pmWhat a crazy loon.
He says he doesn’t know how things are going in Iraq but he can stop any terrorist attacks? riiiight.
I wonder if he wears superhero jammies to bed.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:34 pmOh sure, I follow this logic. Why don’t you? Because Democrats want the troops out of Iraq and more cops on the streets in this country, that surely must mean a Democratic executive branch would be far less likely to prevent and/or respond to (appropriately, i.e. to the correct antagonist) an attack.
Perhaps it is logic like this that drove the voters within the geographic targets of 2001 (NY and DC) to turn out en masse against Bush and his Bush*t Buddies in 2004.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:34 pmWhat Giuliani is saying is that Republican and Democrats have very different ideas on how to to fight Al Qaeda and other Islamic extremist groups. -Exley
Yeah, a Democrat would have focussed on Afganistan where the terrorists were, and not gotten us into the meatgrinder called Iraq , where the terrorists were NOT.
And I read the article, he was pushing the same old, tired Cheney talking points.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:36 pmHe was in the vicinity when 911 happened, but if i remember right, wasnt he in london on 7/7, both him and gwb were in london on 7/7 if i remember right, pretty weird. Rudy your a terrorism magnet!
April 24th, 2007 at 10:39 pm#27 Kryptik, The idea that Giuliani is “politicizing” 9/11 any more than Democrats is silly. How many times have Democrats said that America is “less safe now” that it was after 9/11? How many times do Democrats say that Bush and the GOP have neglected homeland security (i.e. ports, rails, chemical plants) in favor of prosecuting the war in Iraq? Numerous times….Both sides have ideas on how best to fight the war on terrorism and protect the homelan and both sides are debating it. That is called a campaign and politics.
Democrats are within their rights to say that they do not believe the way the Republicans are fighting terrorism is ineffective and wrongheaded.
By the same token, Giuliani is with his rights to say that he believes that Democrats policies towards fighting terrorism are wrongheaded.
To argue that Democrats may criticize Republicans on the war on terrorism, but that when GOPers criticize Democrats it is “politicizing” the war is a double-standard and silly.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:39 pmLet’s see Rudy spew his shit to the “Jersey Girls” or the Skyscraper Safety Campaign ladies:
http://www.skyscrapersafety.org
Sally Regenhard lost her firefighter son on 9/11. She has promised to tail Il Douche at every campaign stop, and she has been seen on the TV at protests outside the campaign venues.
She is determined to make life hell for that assclown.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:45 pmGotta love the arrogance of Rudy. He needs to be reminded that the REPUBLICAN administration of Bush & Co. IGNORED the warnings before 9/11. Why should we trust any republican to “anticipate” anything that would require logical thought. Sorry, but you guys cannot be trusted one iota. Rudy, go back to your adulterer ways and don’t bore us with your BS.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:47 pmI guess that Rudy must not have read this 2002 CNN interview with Bin Laden. The real reason that they hate us, straight from the horse’s mouth…
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/02/05/binladen.transcript/index.html
April 24th, 2007 at 10:47 pm
If Rudy and the Repubs are such bad-asses, how come they didn’t stop the “first” 9-11? It was on their watch.
Ya’ know why? Because they’re freekin’ Republican trash-talkin, lyin’, instigatin’, crime-commitin’ pussies.
God, what a bunch of douche bags.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:48 pm#46,
So, Wayne, do you approve the idea of more troops in Afghanistan to pursue and destroy Al Qaeda and the Taliban? If so, we are in agreement.
I agree and have said here at TP many timeswith that the Iraq war was an error and distracted us from finishing the job in Afghanistan.
Are you also saying that Giuliani is wrong when he says want to “cut back” on the Patriot Act?
April 24th, 2007 at 10:48 pmWhat Giuliani is saying is that Republican and Democrats have very different ideas on how to to fight Al Qaeda and other Islamic extremist groups.
Comment by Exley
How about securing the US borders?
April 24th, 2007 at 10:49 pm“America will be safer with a Republican president.”
So says Rudy. who seems to have forgotten who was president on 9-11. Remember that, Exley? The guy who was on a one month vacation?
April 24th, 2007 at 10:50 pmSince TP is now as bad as RED STATE, I guess noone is allowed to POST FACTS!!!!
It’s NICE of you TP to be a spineless bunch to delete FACTS!!!
COWARDS!!!
How about telling everyone why you deleted my FOUR posts about RUDY, that provided PROOF that he lies and he lied regardind september eleventh…
Tell the world why you are CENSORING FACTS???
April 24th, 2007 at 10:52 pmSo says Rudy. who seems to have forgotten who was president on 9-11. Remember that, Exley? The guy who was on a one month vacation?
Comment by Candyce
Also the same guy that ignored a presidential daily briefing that was entitled “Bin Laden determined to strike in US” one month before the attack…
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/august6.memo/
April 24th, 2007 at 10:53 pmJPV,
You will get ZERO argument from me about the need to secure America’s borders. We agree…
April 24th, 2007 at 10:53 pmYou will get ZERO argument from me about the need to secure America’s borders. We agree…
Comment by Exley
In this case, both parties have failed to make any substantive changes. I’d rather see tighter border controls implemented than having the country engage in more futile foreign wars.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:59 pmJPV, I agree. Bush and Congress (GOPers and Dems) have done an absolutely atrocious job of protecting our borders.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:02 pmJPV, I agree. Bush and Congress (GOPers and Dems) have done an absolutely atrocious job of protecting our borders.
Comment by Exley
And the Twin Towers.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:05 pm#
JPV, I agree. Bush and Congress (GOPers and Dems) have done an absolutely atrocious job of protecting our borders.
Comment by Exley — April 24, 2007 @ 11:02 pm
Perhaps once we’re not protecting Iraq’s borders, and spending every BILLION we borrow from China on a lost cause, we can do more here eh?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:06 pmAre you also saying that Giuliani is wrong when he says want to “cut back†on the Patriot Act?
Comment by Exley
The patriot act needs to be repealed, period.
And yes, getting Osama bin Forgotten should have been priority ONE for the last 6 years. Not only for 9/11 but also for the US Cole and other acts he was behind.
He is responsible for the murders of Americans, even if by chance the conspiricy theorists are right and he wasn’t responsible for 9/11. He killed soldiers with the Cole bombing.
He needs aprehended and tried. Rule of Law. Period.
“I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.”
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
“I am truly not that concerned about him.”
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden’s whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
Personally, these quotes piss me off to no end.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:10 pmExley,
You seem to share some communication traits with Richard Pearle. You are both exceedingly polite and proper, while maintaining untenable positions that fly in the face of both fact and logical analysis. You acknowledge common ground between yourselves and your political/philosophical opposites when, in fact, no such common ground exists.
Please find a Republican Gentleman’s blog – your schtick will play well there.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:12 pmRudy, if you know something, you’d better tell us now. We know what Reagan did with the Iran Hostages. It won’t fly again, so if something happens, you should be ready to answer a lot of questions about what you knew when you said
“MANCHESTER, N.H. – - Rudy Giuliani said if a Democrat is elected president in 2008, America will be at risk for another terrorist attack on the scale of Sept. 11, 2001.
But if a Republican is elected, he said, especially if it is him, terrorist attacks can be anticipated and stopped.”
April 24th, 2007 at 11:14 pmThis reminds me of the old Italian Mafia threat for protection – “Pay us, or those guys will hurt you. We are not trying to hurt you, but if you pay us, we can keep those bad guys away.”
April 24th, 2007 at 11:16 pmAnd this is New How? It’s S.S.D.D.
This is right from the GOP play book and the 9/11 Whore is hardly original. Just wait till Sen. McCain and the other GOP “Candidates” use it…
April 24th, 2007 at 11:16 pmI hope the Republicans nominate Giuliani.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:18 pmComment by RemoveBush
They are still enforcing Judds rule. Just saying…
April 24th, 2007 at 11:22 pmWhat Terrorism?
US – 46 Terrorism-Related Convictions Spanning First 5 Years
The Center On Law and Security at the New York University School of Law created a terrorism study entitled, ” Terrorism Trial Report Card – US Edition” for the period of 9/2001 – 9/2006.
In summary, after 5 years, 1007 charges were initially announced by DOJ as terrorism-related cases.
Those 1007 were reclassified down to 161 terrorism-related cases and 866 as non-terrorism-related cases.
Of the 161 terrorism-related cases, only 46 convictions were obtained over the 1st 5 years since 9/11/01. That works out to .495 convictions per US Attorney office spanning 5 years (.099 per year).
“No sleeper cell with logistical or tactical links to al Qaeda has been convicted of plotting an attack to be carried out within the U.S.”
“The vast majority of cases turn out to include no link to terrorism once they go to court.”
“Nobody affiliated with a radical Islamic group has been charged with crimes related to chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear weapons”.
http://www.lawandsecurity.org/publications/TTRCComplete.pdf
UK – 40 Terrorism-Related Convictions Spanning First 5.25 Years
The Guardian Unlimited wrote an article entitled, “1166 anti-terror arrests net 40 convictions” published March 5, 2007. These were cases for the period of 9/11/2001 – 12/31/2006.
In summary, after 5.25 years, 1166 people were arrested with 221 charged with some type of terror-related charge.
Of the 221 terrorism-related cases, only 40 convictions were obtained over the 1st 5.25 years since 9/11/01. That works out to 8 convictions per year.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,2027077,00.html
Only 14 “high value” detainees At Gitmo
Article entitled, “The Confession Backfired” published March 17, 2007 By Paul Craig Roberts
“Despite having held and tortured hundreds of detainees for years in Gitmo, and we don’t know how many more in secret prisons around the world, the US government has come up with only 14 ‘high value’ detainees.”
“In other words, the government has nothing on 99 percent of the detainees who allegedly are so dangerous and wicked that they must be kept in detention without charges, access to attorneys and contact with families.”
http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts201.html
BTW, approximately 150 deaths are reported each year from falling coconuts. Should I be fearful of coconuts?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:22 pm#15 I can’t believe I have defended you in the past. What the h$ll is wrong with you?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:23 pmWayne,
I think OBL is dead, but the Bush Admin want’s to keep his ghost alive, after all look at all the bed-wetters like Jason, Patrick1..
Sadly the increased crime rate in our country since the Bush administration has been in charge has increased, I worry more about my safety from “every day crime”, more than I do OBL.
It’s really pathetic how basically 30% of this country are so enraged against Islam, it’s frighteningly like Hitler used the religion card against the Jews, placing all of Germany’s problems on the Jews.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:24 pm“But if a Republican is elected, he said, especially if it is him, terrorist attacks can be anticipated and stopped.â€
This Administration had warnings and choose to ignore them and not take it seriously.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:26 pm“They are still enforcing Judds rule. Just saying…
Comment by Wayne — April 24, 2007 @ 11:22 pm”
What rule is that???? The one that they MUST delete things that make the Republican candidates FACE FACTS about 9/11??
After all, when a post is deleted that has a video of Rudy stating that W-T-C-7 fell in stages, they are HATING America and TRUTH!!!
They are no better than Bush or any other Republican for SUPRESSING TRUTH!!!
I guess it’s ABSOLUTE now that America is DEAD, and what we have is actually just an empty shell of what it was…..
April 24th, 2007 at 11:27 pmHeh, I should proof read a bit before hitting post.
oh well.. ;)
April 24th, 2007 at 11:28 pm#15 I can’t believe I have defended you in the past. What the h$ll is wrong with you?
Comment by JPark
That’s that real Exley! Now you can stop defending him, with a clear conscience.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:29 pmHe just sank his own presidential run. What little chance he had with dems and moderates was just thrown out the window with that neo-con horse crap statement.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:30 pm“They were at war with us before we realized it, going back to ’90s with all the Americans killed by the PLO and Hezbollah and Hamas,â€
Oops, Rudy, did you skip recent history perhaps? Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the answer is one big round number…..
Hebollah only decided that the US were not their friends when the US shipped millions of cluster bombs to Israel last year, so the Israelis could scatter them all over southern Lebanon. Hmm you have to admit, shipping nasty anti personnel weapons to a country bombing the crap out of you might just turn you off the hamburgers, Disneyland and baseball games….
April 24th, 2007 at 11:30 pmRudy is the GOPs Hillary Clinton…… deleted post in one, two, three…
April 24th, 2007 at 11:33 pmI guess it’s ABSOLUTE now that America is DEAD, and what we have is actually just an empty shell of what it was…..
Comment by RemoveBush — April 24, 2007 @ 11:27 pm
Let me add some GOP spin. :)
Well see the building was up.
Then it started to come down
After a bit it came down some more.
Falling closer and closer to the ground
Eventually there was lots of sky
I don’t recall how long it took.
— See it did come down in stages.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:34 pm#75 Was I wrong? I know he has always been very far to the right but it seemed he was at least intellectually honest way back when.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:35 pmWayne; total agreement. We have spent over $500,000,000,000 (no this is not a mistake) on the “War on Terror” yet we have not killed the piece of shit who was on tape laughing at how many of us he killed ? I have never, ever been more confused. Shit, give me a billion and I’ll hire about 2000 mercenaries, and we’d have the _ucker dead in a month. It is pathetic. And it is far more pathetic that very few are not absolutely outraged. You know, the Republican have a lot of blow and go. Nice Army and Navy ads. Lot of macho crap. Yet the whole thing is run by a bunch of simpering wimps like Bush, Cheney and Rove who will certainly go down in history as the opposite of the smart commanders and leaders that brought us manuevers we saw in WW11 like Midway, D Day. Chimpy and Co. is a PR show put on by the Oil companies and the Military companies. How many Delta and Seals are thinking right now, What the ___uck are we doing here when we could be cutting off the head of this snake ?” What a waste of our men and women. Cut down on some unimportant desert road by a roadside bomb made in China, then purchased by Iran who got the money from us. Sick yet ? Yea, keep it up. Keep buying at Walmart and keep “votin” Republican. That’s great. ___ucking idiots.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:36 pm#75 Was I wrong? I know he has always been very far to the right but it seemed he was at least intellectually honest way back when.
Comment by JPark
He put up a good front, but he’s just as dishonest as they come. I had an issue with him yesterday, and he demonstrated his true character — as he has before. I’m done with that one.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:38 pmOf course he warns of another attack that is atleast as severe as 9/11 and he is probably right!
It’s the same old Right Wing GOP strategy that they have been playing for years and Dems fall right into it again and again.
“If you elect a DEM president, he/she will raise your taxes”
Of course! To get the Nation out from under the HUGE national debt the GOP racked up while in control!
“If a DEM president is elected, American will be at risk for another terrorist attack on the scale of 9/11″
No friggin kidding! Because this GOP admistration, being short on thought intelligence and planning has gone gung-ho into an innocent country to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people! Krikey man! If this doesn’t warrant a return attack, I don’t know what does? Flip the situation around and we would have nuked Iraq 3 years ago had they send 180 thousand troops into our country and killed GW. Seriously… what do you expect to happen? When will our government learn that we as a nation must play by all the same rules we hold other countries to.
Frankly, we should have done ABSOLUTLY NOTHING militarily after 9/11. Same holds true for Iraq since Iraq and 9/11 have nothing to do with each other. What we SHOULD HAVE DONE is call up Great Britain, France, Italy, Australia (and New Zealand) and all of our other allies and said “You better get your friggin army in there are defend us!” Then it wouldn’t be American tax payers footing the bill for this “GLOBAL” war on terror. It wouldn’t be mostly American soldiers dying each day, and it would give “the axis of evil” even more political/military marketing to use against us by painting America as the great greedy world aggressor.
Where are the soldiers of our GLOBAL ALLIES on this GLOBAL war?
Frankly, I think the best thing the Dems could do is MAKE SURE THEY LOSE THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION TO THE GOP! Let the GOP clean up it’s own mess and expose itself for the right-wing greed mongers that most sensible people know to stay away from.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:39 pmHow would he know that unless he is a terrorist as well or even worse a trader?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:42 pmMany thanks to David Gable. Great post. Great info. And yes, if they can get votes out of it, they’ll try to make you afraid of coconuts.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:42 pm#82 I am not usually fooled by the Elizabeth act. I am ashamed of myself.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:43 pmOne thing is a fact——we were at risk for a big terrorist attack when Bush was elected in 2000. (IF he was elected.)
There’s not a shred of evidence for Guiliani’s nonsense. Terrorists can attack anytime regardless of who’s president.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:45 pmJPV, I agree. Bush and Congress (GOPers and Dems) have done an absolutely atrocious job of protecting our borders.
Comment by Exley
Who’s been in control of the legislative agenda for over a decade? That myopia is really starting to affect your sense of balance. You should seek medical assistance Ex, before you walk in front of a bus or something …
April 24th, 2007 at 11:45 pmFrankly, I think the best thing the Dems could do is MAKE SURE THEY LOSE THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION TO THE GOP! Let the GOP clean up it’s own mess and expose itself for the right-wing greed mongers that most sensible people know to stay away from.
Comment by Blue Healer —
F*ck no!
They’ll just use it as an excuse to further drain the Social Security trust fund, while gutting social programs to justify even larger tax breaks for the rich.
I say again:
F*ck no!
April 24th, 2007 at 11:52 pmI think OBL is dead,
— Can-O-Whoop-Ass
Frankly they need to find his grave then to prove it.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:54 pmI want Rule of Law applied to Osama, if he is still alive.
Like I want Rule of Law applied to the rogue administration now in power.
As well as any Congressman or Senator, no matter which party they belong to.
Rudy is the GOPs Hillary Clinton…… deleted post in one, two, three…
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
hehe
They never delete my Hilary rants, though.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:58 pmHow would he know that unless he is a terrorist as well or even worse a trader?
Comment by Saywho — April 24, 2007 @ 11:42 pm
Exactly. Very suspicious talking like that about something so delicate.
They must be desperate. They bet for the worst of people: fear.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:02 amRudy is the GOPs Hillary Clinton…… deleted post in one, two, three…
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
That sucks. Hillary deserves to be flamed. I disagree though. McCain was the GOPs Hillary until he totally went insane. He was a triangulating cipher with no actual beliefs. Kinda like the Clintons.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:04 amTutti frooty on Rudy. Phhhhbbbbt!!!
April 25th, 2007 at 12:06 amIsnt that the same that Nazis tell the German population? The Jew menace, it was called back then.
Oh, history is repeating…Marx was a freaking genius.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:06 am#70, JPark,
I think if you take a look at my subsequent posts (currently postings 41 and 48) you’ll understand my meaning and recognize that the Politico’s and TP’s headlines are quite misleading. Click the link and see what Giuliani ACTUALLY said.
And, Zooey, are you STILL embarrassed that you failed to see that I posted a link to the full statement and incorrectly accused me of not providing Reid’s full statement….Don’t be so hard on yourself, Zooey. So you made a mistake…No big deal. Forgive yourself. I know I have forgiven you, if that makes you feel any better.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:07 am“Who’s been in control of the legislative agenda for over a decade?”
Umm, Barfly, Spend a little too much time at the bar tonight? Having a hard time seeing the screen and reading what I wrote? Here ya go again, sport:
“Bush and Congress (GOPers and Dems) have done an absolutely atrocious job of protecting our borders.”
April 25th, 2007 at 12:10 amAnd, Zooey, are you STILL embarrassed that you failed to see that I posted a link to the full statement and incorrectly accused me of not providing Reid’s full statement….Don’t be so hard on yourself, Zooey. So you made a mistake…No big deal. Forgive yourself. I know I have forgiven you, if that makes you feel any better.
Comment by Exley
It’s on you, Exley. Only you.
You can take any forgiveness you have for me and shove it up your fat ass.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:12 amHillary deserves to be flamed. I disagree though. McCain was the GOPs Hillary until he totally went insane. He was a triangulating cipher with no actual beliefs. Kinda like the Clintons.
Comment by JPark
Bill was actually a good president, when he kept his zipper shut.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:14 amHillary, now, I do not like her voting record.
She is a Republican-lite.
She is almost the closest one we have to being a Republican disguised as a Democrat since Lieberman went Independant.
In other words… BOO!
April 25th, 2007 at 12:14 amOoh, is it time for Exlax’s lap of honor now? I must find another beer.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:14 am“Who’s been in control of the legislative agenda for over a decade?â€
Umm, Barfly, Spend a little too much time at the bar tonight? Having a hard time seeing the screen and reading what I wrote? Here ya go again, sport:
“Bush and Congress (GOPers and Dems) have done an absolutely atrocious job of protecting our borders.â€
Comment by Exley — April 25, 2007 @ 12:10 am
Forgive me for stumbling into something, but this looks to me like Barfly reminiding all of the success of the Gingrich Revolution in 1994 and Exley denying the facts of the GOP control of Congress since that date until this January….. care to help me out?
April 25th, 2007 at 12:17 amNo Exley, neither headline was misleading (by the way, Politico is a right wing rag). Giulliani claimed Dems would wave the white flag and claimed if Republicans won there wouldn’t be any terrorist attacks. You can parse all you wan’t but that implies there will be an attack if a Dem is elected.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:18 amInterviewer:So Mr. Giuliani, what is your position on free market deregulation and would you, as president, seek to instill the same economic philosophy?
Giuliani:Nine one one. September the eleventh, two-thousand and one, Nine eleven… Nine and a one and a one and an oh-one.
Interviewer: Uhh… ok… Moving on. Many view Barack Obama as inexperienced, being the junior Senator from Illinois. However, your highest level of office is Mayor. Media outlets champion you as “America’s Mayor.” Mayors of major American cities rarely deal with influential foreign policy decisions. What makes you more experienced?
Giuliani: Nine. One… and uh… one.
Interviewer: Hmm…. how many fingers am I holding up right now?
Giuliani: [pause] Nine… eleven?
Interviewer: Do you support puppy destruction? And if so, what day would you like to accomplish this?
Giuliani: Septemb-
Interviewer: HA! Gotcha! You’re full of pure, flea-ridden $hit. Aren’t you?!! You have one thing to say, and your new job is to say it over and over and over to an adoring audience who gladly takes it up the a$$ by paying your speaking fees. And just what would that be, Captain $hitty McPigfu@ker?
Giuliani: Nine-
April 25th, 2007 at 12:19 amInterviewer: Fu@k you, Rudy. Please win the primary so even Biden can kick the pi$$ out of you in the general.
“care to help me out?”
Maybe you should hold back on that beer, T-Cubed. You are having a hard time reading. Again:
“Bush and Congress (GOPers and Dems) have done an absolutely atrocious job of protecting our borders.â€
Seems pretty clear to the sober that I am being critical of Bush and Congress….Got it now? Ya do?! Good for you!!!!
April 25th, 2007 at 12:21 am#99 Wayne, I think he was nothing but a center-right politician that benefitted from an excellent economy. Mostly he was ok (i.e. he didn’t do too much damage) but no liberal would have let NAFTA and welfare reform pass with no comment, much less support such elitist legislation.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:21 amComment by Sweet Chunks
LMAO.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:22 amJPark, The headline is quite misleading. Nowhere does Giualiani say there will be a “new 9/11″ if a Democrat is elected, despite the dishonest use of quotation marks around the phrase. To put a quote around a phrase that Giuliani never uses according to the quoted parts of the article is journalistic sloppiness, at best…Dishonesty, at worst.
Giuliani even says “America would ultimately defeat terrorism no matter which party gains the White House.”
He says, however, that Dems and GOPers differ on HOW best and most effectively to fight the war….That is no different from what Democratic candidates are saying; to wit, that THEY — the Dems — would do a better job of prosecuting the war on terrorism.
Read the actual article, JPark, beyond the blaring and inaccurate headline.
(And the Politico is a “right wing rag?” Where do you get that?)
April 25th, 2007 at 12:28 amno liberal would have let NAFTA and welfare reform pass with no comment, much less support such elitist legislation.
Comment by JPark
Yeah also the DMCA was a bad one too.
Yeah he was middle right. Definately not a liberal. No matter how the Far Right tried to paint him.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:30 amHe was still much better then current cabal of crime.
He ballanced the budget, he never robbed it.
Zooey, Zooey, Zooey…In a way, I admire the fact you are being so hard on yourself for missing the link I provided. It shows that you actually care when you make a mistake. But don’t beat yourself up too much over it. After all, nobody’s perfect…Give yourself a break.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:31 am#109 Agreed. He was our best president in the last 40-50 years. Thinking about it, why do Republicans whine so much? There hasn’t been a liberal president since JFK.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:32 amZooey, Zooey, Zooey…In a way, I admire the fact you are being so hard on yourself for missing the link I provided. It shows that you actually care when you make a mistake. But don’t beat yourself up too much over it. After all, nobody’s perfect…Give yourself a break.
Comment by Exley
You actually think anyone is buying this, Exley? Dream on.
Be a man. Go ahead — try. For once.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:40 amOk, anytime these jerks say something like this that means they know something is about to happen and they are not going to do squat about it, because they WANT it to happen.
So be prepared for an attack, they are not to be trusted.
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily
April 25th, 2007 at 12:41 am#108 No, misleading is what you want to call it. Saying that the Dems would wave the white flag? Come on Exley.
Have you ever READ Politico before?
April 25th, 2007 at 12:42 amHe says, however, that Dems and GOPers differ on HOW best and most effectively to fight the war….
—Exley
Bulldooky!!! I read the article
He was using “Fearmongering 101, by DickCheney”
Fearmongering pure and simple.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:43 amThat crap no longer washes with the masses Exley.
Too many red alerts to hide Administration goofups.
The old story of the boy that cried wolf has a moral the Republicans never learned.
“You actually think anyone is buying this, Exley?”
Actually, I really don’t think anyone else but you and I care or even know what we are talking about, Zooey.
You and I know you missed the posting and yet you refuse to admit you were wrong and I was right. But that’s okay, I know that you know that you missed it….
April 25th, 2007 at 12:46 amOMFG! The most insanely-ridiculously-absurd statement from a presidential candidate, so far!!
April 25th, 2007 at 12:50 amYou and I know you missed the posting and yet you refuse to admit you were wrong and I was right. But that’s okay, I know that you know that you missed it….
Comment by Exley
You f*cked up, Exley. If you were a man, you would be able to admit it.
Right now, you’re just muddying the waters, since you never posted any link for me. I called you on your intellectual dishonesty, and your fragile ego just can’t stand it.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:51 amGiuliani claims WTC 7 collapsed in stages,,,,
watch/listen for yourself…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoGfhv80ii0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eprisonplanet%2Ecom%2Farticles%2Fapril2007%2F240407giulianilie%2Ehtm
April 25th, 2007 at 12:51 amActually, Zooey, the link was posted waaaay before you even came on the thread (at posting 27 at 4:39 pm)….You just happened to miss it. And then when I pointed it out to you, you got all defensive and embarrassed….But again, you don’t have to be embarrassed. You made a simple error. There were a lot of postings on that thread and you just skimmed past it. No big deal…..Although, let it be lesson to you to read more carefully before making false statements. It’ll spare you future embarrassments.
April 25th, 2007 at 1:00 amSeems pretty clear to the sober that I am being critical of Bush and Congress….Got it now? Ya do?! Good for you!!!!
Comment by Exley — April 25, 2007 @ 12:21 am
But, but, the party in control of the House and the Senate sets the legislative agenda and controls which bills are up for vote and by its majority, which laws are passed. So Newt spent six years investigating the whereabouts of Clinton’s pen*s instead of watching all those people crossing the border?
Your “we did and they did too” is as usual disingenuous Exlax…. try again.
April 25th, 2007 at 1:03 amAlthough, let it be lesson to you to read more carefully before making false statements. It’ll spare you future embarrassments.
Comment by Exley
Keep up with the lies, Exley. Makes no difference to me. No one buys your idiocy anyway. You’re the one who has to answer to your god — you’re not fooling him either.
April 25th, 2007 at 1:07 amGiuliani claims WTC 7 collapsed in stages,,,,
watch/listen for yourself…
http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=FoGfhv80ii0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eprisonplanet%2Ecom%2Farticles%2Fapril2007%2F240407giulianilie%2Ehtm
What do you think
April 25th, 2007 at 1:08 amRaw story break news of new charges for vp
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Kucinich_announces_impeachment_charges_against_Vice_0424.html
April 25th, 2007 at 1:09 amReally, Zooey? “Lies?” Are you saying the link was not there at posting #27 at 4:39 pm? Well, you might want to go back and take another look…..I think you will see you are QUITE mistaken….Go ahead….I’ll wait….
April 25th, 2007 at 1:10 amCheney Impeachment documents at this link…
http://kucinich.house.gov/SpotlightIssues/documents.htm
Comment by Saywho — April 25, 2007 @ 12:54 am
April 25th, 2007 at 1:13 amReally, Zooey? “Lies?†Are you saying the link was not there at posting #27 at 4:39 pm? Well, you might want to go back and take another look…..I think you will see you are QUITE mistaken….Go ahead….I’ll wait….
Comment by Exley
Yes, Exley — LIES.
You are trying to make it seem as if I was looking for a link, and just happened to miss it, when in fact I saw your original post, I saw your posting of the link, and I saw your attempt to smear FTFU, and later your attempt to smear me.
My ENTIRE point has been that you posted a quote WITHOUT A LINK.
Yet you persist with the idiocy above, because you are such a tiny man that you can’t admit that you f*cked up.
April 25th, 2007 at 1:17 amExley,
I had an unfortunate visit with my proctologist today and your name came up during the prognosis. He said I was in trouble but I should consult with you about my problems since you were the perfect anus.
April 25th, 2007 at 1:18 amZooey, So you admit I posted the link way before you arrived on the thread…FINALLY! Okay….Now we can move on…..Now, was that so difficult?????
April 25th, 2007 at 1:24 am#129 Yeah, that is not burying any hatchet.
April 25th, 2007 at 1:29 amWe’d just go back to the days of Clinton, when a terrorist act against the US was acceptable and “no big deal.”
Is that your position? Are events like 9/11 okay with you as long as it keeps the peace?
April 25th, 2007 at 1:31 amZooey, So you admit I posted the link way before you arrived on the thread…FINALLY! Okay….Now we can move on…..Now, was that so difficult?????
Comment by Exley
F*ck off, you prick. You are a liar.
April 25th, 2007 at 1:32 amJPark, Yeah, that posting came before Zooey accepted the hatchet. From now on, there will be no more discussion of this rather obscure and — let’s face it — tedious topic by me. The hatchet is now officially buried (Although, I guess Zooey is entitled to one last shot at me)….
April 25th, 2007 at 1:32 am#129 Yeah, that is not burying any hatchet.
Comment by JPark
See what I mean about this tiny person?
Goodnight, JPark.
April 25th, 2007 at 1:32 amI had an unfortunate visit with my proctologist today and your name came up during the prognosis. He said I was in trouble but I should consult with you about my problems since you were the perfect anus.
Comment by Clyde the Ripper
:-D
April 25th, 2007 at 1:33 am#131 Yeah, muck, terrorist attacks were cool back then!!! Retard.
April 25th, 2007 at 1:35 amNight Zoo.
April 25th, 2007 at 1:35 am#132, And there is your last shot, Zooey….I now pronounce the hatchet officially buried. Let peace reign over all the land!
April 25th, 2007 at 1:36 amOne for the azzholes who support TRAITORS Bush and Giuliani and Cheney:
STRANGE that Bush and Cheney REFUSED TO TESTIFY UNDER OATH TO THE 9/11 Commission.
i.e. SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE USA about their involvement with 9/11, the Bin Ladens, and the Saudi TERRORIST FINANCIERS.
Attacking Iraq.
Exposing CIA operatives specializing in WMD for REVENGE.
Politicizing the Justice Department
Look no further. THESE are your TRAITORS.
How ANYONE can say they made the US “safer” is PITIFUL…
April 25th, 2007 at 1:40 amFearmongering. It’s what works.
April 25th, 2007 at 1:59 am#139 The truth doesn’t work out so well for neocons.
April 25th, 2007 at 2:08 amIf it weren’t for Sept. 11, Giuliani and the rest of the GOP and Bush admin scumlappers would be dirt spots in history. The neocons need terrorists.
GOP Jesus says: “Crap, that’s the building they were going to hit? Turd Boy, Dickhole, and Rummie thought it was going to be the Statue of Liberty or Mount Rushmore or The Washington Monument (after all, the Taliban had just got done blowing up a couple sculptures in the desert). Jeez, perhaps they shouldn’t have sat on their hands with the intel. Oh well, good thing they own defense companies and oil stock. Hmm, it’s also a good thing the American sheeple aren’t taught to think.”
April 25th, 2007 at 3:07 amKeep spewing those lies, Rudy. Keep helping our cause by doing so. We the people (except those who watch Faux Noise) have heard the little boy who cried wolf lines for 6 years and its beyond weak. I only wish there was a reporter out there who would ask Rudy, or any of the other jackals, “and just what evidence do you have that an attack will occur under a Democrat and not under a Republic Party president?”
April 25th, 2007 at 5:10 amstrange the first time it happened under the famous Texas mafia, namely gwb and his fiasco italian friend Guilliani.
im sure the retrofahrtnickans will turn things around and prove theyre able to commit under a dem too
April 25th, 2007 at 6:46 amre-pug-ni-can
friendly fire friend (ass)
April 25th, 2007 at 6:49 amWhat he means is, if you don’t vote GOP, we will nuke your sorry little asses until you vote the “correct” way in future.
GOP = Fascist Nazi Party
April 25th, 2007 at 7:11 amWow, this IS the same guy who was mayor of New York when 9-11happened right? And the president at the time was a republican also. Is it “opposite day”?
April 25th, 2007 at 7:19 amfrom buzzflash:
April 25th, 2007 at 7:23 amGeorge McGovern: “We, of course, already know that when Cheney endorses a war, he exempts himself from participation. On second thought, maybe it’s wise to keep Cheney off the battlefield — he might end up shooting his comrades rather than the enemy.” Expects Cheney and Bush Will Have to Resign.
So, is he saying he’ll fly the plane himself?
April 25th, 2007 at 8:04 amThis coming from a guy who:
- Values family so much he cheated on each wife he had, oh, and married his cousin. Now THAT’S family values.
- Has begun flip-flopping on such issues as abortion, gun control, and gay marriage (he used to support these things) in order to placate the radical right wing and their agenda. Even though he LIVED with a gay couple during one of his divorces.
April 25th, 2007 at 8:31 am—-
“if a Democrat is elected president in 2008, America will be at risk for another terrorist attack on the scale of Sept. 11, 2001. But if a Republican is elected, he said, especially if it is him, terrorist attacks can be anticipated and stopped.â€
—-
And that was so well proven with the first 9/11, right Rudy?
Dipsh*t.
April 25th, 2007 at 8:49 amhe probably knew about it also…
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pBVBoU7Tvto
just make you think when the right questions are asked.
April 25th, 2007 at 9:36 amit’s only 20 minutes and extremely insightful.
April 25th, 2007 at 9:44 am“But if a Republican is elected, he said, especially if it is him, terrorist attacks can be anticipated and stopped.”
I guess he is forgetting that it was a Republic who didn’t anticipate 911, even though he received a memo telling him it would happen. Guiliani is a fool and he has no chance of being elected our President. People are tired of these right wing neocons playing the 911 card and rather than scaring them (as they intend to do), people are simply turning away and saying “what a fool”.
I weep for what we have become.
April 25th, 2007 at 10:26 am#132, And there is your last shot, Zooey….I now pronounce the hatchet officially buried. Let peace reign over all the land!
Comment by Exley
I know this will surprise you, Exley, but you don’t get to “pronounce” anything involving me.
You might want to get a band-aid for that hatchet in your head.
April 25th, 2007 at 10:49 amGiuliani is a one-trick pony – a johnny one note, whose claim to fame is that he looked good on 9/11 in comparison to the chim-in-chief. Aside from that, he doesn’t have a lot of fans in NY. He doesn’t have a lot of fans across America. But he appeals to the more base element of the RNC with his baseless fearmongering.
April 25th, 2007 at 10:51 amHis “moral values” are comparable to those of the Newt – down there somewhere at the bottom of the swamp.
The man is a joke.
“a johnny one note, whose claim to fame is that he looked good on 9/11 in comparison to the chim-in-chief. Aside from that, he doesn’t have a lot of fans in NY. ”
Gotta disagree with you there, Marie. Even before 9/11, Giuliani had done a remarkable job in saving a city that was going down the drain, especially in the latter years of the Koch mayoralty and the DISASTROUS Dinkins administration. He drastically reduced crime, cleaned up the city and greatly enhanced the quality of life in NYC.
That is why he was re-elected in 1997 in a landslide becoming only the second Republican in 60 years to be elected to second term as New York City mayor, defeating Ruth Messinger, “quintessential liberal and fixture of Manhattan’s Upper West Side” (quoting The NYTimes) in city that is five-to-one Democratic.
April 25th, 2007 at 11:30 amRudy just wants to demonstrate his ability to tell outrageous lies to a large audience (and, Ex – that is the topic here) – that’s very important for a Republican Candidate/President – far more important than sincerely living up to the Oath of Office or any duty prescribed in the Constitution.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:38 pmaside from (D) registration, Ex, what is the one other thing that the preponderance of Manhattanites share in common? Clue: it’s a thing that would prompt them to vote for a (R) mayor. Clue2: it’s also something that you and I don’t have in common with them.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:41 pmYeah, it’s obvious. Rudy stopped the last one. Kept all those firefighters from getting killed in collapsing buildings, too. And put the emergency command centre in one of the WTC buildings. He’s got a stellar record on prevention, I’d say…..
Cheers,
April 25th, 2007 at 12:49 pmPlease see this for what it is. Rudy is not commenting about Democrats. He’s actually insulting
Republickers. He’s saying that the Republickin base is so stupid and shallow that they respond to
the most ridiculous of fear mongering. “You are such a bunch of kiss-up asses that I can say
anything and you’ll buy it”.
If you’re following the Republicker campaigns what you see is really a race for Bush/Cheney Zombies.
These are the original “Good German” goobers who at some point gave up all self respect and honest
self thinking. They have invested so much being loyal licking that they have become the living dead.
Imagine – still today – they are required to believe and regurgitate: )* Iraq has W.D. … we just
haven’t found them yet )* Al Qiada and Saddam were in league together )* all the wiretapping and fisa
BS was in good faith )* global warming is a myth )* Mark Foley was created by Democrats )*
civilization itself must be protected from gay marriage )* Rumsfeld is a misunderstood wise man )*
Fredo is the victim of a Democratic witch hunt )* more guns would stop VTech type massacre )* one
trillion more dollars to Haliburton and MZM will win Iraq for us )* ‘head Cheney is psychologically
normal )* Laura Bush has suffered more then 3000 dead soldiers )* Do I need to go on. BTW. They
have paid in their own real campaign dollars again and again to be abused this way.
What Rudy is really saying is this, “I tried to be honest about some things “ but “ you weren’t
interested†so “I’m now buying into he fact that you are all lost to any plausible reality†and
“Just like the neocon controlled IncompetentCorruptAmericanPrince†I am going to just start telling
you the “whoppers that just have been condition to accept†so “try this one out, you ideological
inbreedsâ€.
Rudy is laughing at these zombies as he’s lying to them and that’s what thy love.
This will be the next whopper – “All that secret Fisa wiretapping was really on you Republickers who
were attending Bush campaign rallies. The IncompetentCorruptAmaerican Prince is so important to God,
America and the world that he had to be protected from even ya’llâ€
The spied upon Zombies will nod their heads in agreement. After all, abuse is the sincerest form of
love. That’s what Rudy has caught on to.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:54 pmChildren, children – in 1993 the USA had war declared on it by terrorists. The Clintonista response to this war was to prosecute 2 individuals with a homicide investigation, as if this attack were just another NYC crack killing, or a jealous wife killing her unfaithful husband. Dig?
April 25th, 2007 at 1:32 pmWhat a tool!
April 25th, 2007 at 1:33 pmNew Yorkers generally despise Rudy.
April 25th, 2007 at 1:34 pmComment by Zippi — April 25, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
hey zipperhead. meaybe you can tell us about the ongoing prosecution of the anthrax killer(s) being pursued by the bushistas.
April 25th, 2007 at 2:22 pmChildren, children – in 1993 the USA had war declared on it by terrorists. The Clintonista response to this war was to prosecute 2 individuals with a homicide investigation, as if this attack were just another NYC crack killing, or a jealous wife killing her unfaithful husband. Dig?
April 25th, 2007 at 2:36 pm>Children, children – in 1993 the USA had war declared on it by terrorists.
Hermaphdote, please define how we will achieve “victory” in this thing you call a “war”.. let me guess…when all the terrorists are dead, right? because there will never be any new ones once we kill those that currently exist.. or do you advocate eternal war?
April 25th, 2007 at 2:51 pmComment by Zippi — April 25, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
zippi-doo-doo,
seven anthrax letters, 22 infections, 5 deaths.
what is your president doing about it?
April 25th, 2007 at 3:10 pmChoc Jesu – Giuliani will extinguish terrorists the way he did the Mafia, and we all know it – except for lib trolls. And those he doesn’t he will make our friends as Japan and Germany became our friends after WW2.
April 25th, 2007 at 3:11 pmzip,
didn’t know rudy was in ww2. can you post a cite for that?
April 25th, 2007 at 3:14 pmPete – who said he was in WW2? Can you read English?
April 25th, 2007 at 3:41 pm#15
#157
Exley
Re: “Well said, Mr. Mayor. As a native New Yorker and someone who was in New York on 9/11, … blah blah blah …”
I am a native New Yorker and someone who was in New York on 9/11 as well.
Gulliani did what any other mayor of a U.S. city would have done under the same circumstances. He gathered and conveyed information.
All of the institutions necessary to get NYC back on its feet after the attacks were more than happy to assist him with key decisions in any way possible. As they would have been for any mayor in his situation.
What would have been impressive is if he had actually said “WTF???!!!!” when Whitman said the air at Ground Zero was “fine.”
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However, Giuliani maintained Sunday that he was honest and open about air quality issues.
“I put out all the reports that existed,” Giuliani said. “Of course the reports that I put out were the same thing that Christie Whitman was saying publicly.”
One report the city apparently didn’t put out was an explosive memo from the EPA to the city Health Department dated Oct. 5, 2001. It didn’t mince words, stating of ground zero: “this site…poses threats to workers related to potential exposure to hazardous substances.”
Three weeks after the EPA memo, Giuliani’s environmental commissioner, Joel Miele, was still saying the air was safe.
“For the residents and people who are working in the open area that has been created downtown there is no realistic danger to the health,” Miele said.
Responding to Giuliani’s comments, EPA regional commissioner Jane Kenny said her agency told the Giuliani Administration every day at daily briefings the air at ground zero was bad.
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He was down there almost every day and he simply “passed along” Whitman’s conclusions. Great.
Great leadership.
Re: the crime and cleaning up the city…
Yeah, he put homeless people in jail. I’m not saying that he was right or wrong for that. But it should take more than something like that to get a presidential vote from anyone.
He was pro-police, which is fine. But he often was pro-police “right or wrong” – which is not fine.
Dude, I’ve seen your posts pretty frequently. You have supported Bush. Now Giuliani. I hope you are much wiser when you pick your women.
April 25th, 2007 at 3:45 pmComment by Zippi — April 25, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
zippi, if that’s really you name,
i’m really much more interested in how bushy is fighting the anthrax terrorists. how is that coming?
April 25th, 2007 at 3:49 pmMr. Giuliani -
Hey Nostradumbass, did the mayor and the President stop the attacks of 9/11/01.? I don’t recall. Oh, wait I do recall, you didn’t because you suck.
April 25th, 2007 at 3:51 pmUnder “progressive” mayors in NYC, black and Hispanic neighborhoods were rat infested, crack infested shooting galleries for decades and decades and decades. Under Giuliani these neighborhoods began to thrive and prosper. Harlem today is a world class tourist destination for people all over the world because of Giuliani; under “progressive” libs for about 60 years before that it was a crime ridden ghetto.
April 25th, 2007 at 4:12 pmzippi, you’re obviously well-informed.
i wonder if you can tell me why the republicans keep saying that there were no terrorist attackes on american soil since 9/11. that’s an obvious lie isn’t it?
after all, 7 letters containing anthrax were mailed, 22 people were infected with anthrax and 5 people died. notes that were included with the anthrax were full of threatening terrorist slogans. what would america’s mayor do to find and prosecute those terrorists?
April 25th, 2007 at 4:26 pm#175
Re: Harlem
It wasn’t just Guiliani.
Starting in 1994, the Upper Manhattan Empowerment Zone funneled money into new developments including the Harlem USA retail complex. Finally, wealthier New Yorkers, having gentrified every other part of Manhattan and much of Brooklyn, had nowhere else to go. The same thing is currently happening in Hoboken, NJ.
Re: the “Empowerment Zone” – the following is an excerpt of a phone call made by President Bill Clinton and Vice President Gore in 1994 to Guiliani and others.
THE PRESIDENT:I know the Vice President wants to say a few words, but let me say that when I ran for President in 1992, I advocated setting up these empowerment zone ideas. I advocated seeing if we could have a partnership between the national government, grass-roots communities and the private sector to get investment going in places where too many people have been left behind.
(Later in the call …)
THE VICE PRESIDENT: Also, if I may, Mr. President, I’d just like to say that the New York application is a perfect example of different levels of government working together in a single cooperative way. Both the city and state governments have separately agreed to match the $100 million federal grant. And it is really a terrific application.
MAYOR GUILIANI: Mr. Vice President, this is Mayor Guiliani. **** This process began under Mayor Dinkins, who’s here with me, and was carried through by my administration. We’ve worked very closely together on it. ****
Like I said. It wasn’t just Guiliani.
April 25th, 2007 at 4:35 pmSo uh Spo…what about the twenty or so “progressive” mayors before Giuliani? What’s your excuse for them?
April 25th, 2007 at 4:52 pmWhen trying to swep the ladies of the night out of NYC, Rudy slept with his live-in-whore in the guest bedroom at Gracie Mansion (That’s the mayor’s residence) while his wife and kids slept in the residence proper. His kids hate him. I doubt that he will be able to run on a family values ticket.
April 25th, 2007 at 5:12 pmCrime started dropping steadily in New York City in 1991, three years before Giuliani.
He ain’t the worst thing in the world, but seriously, get your (and I mean the general you as it applies to his followers) head out of his ass. He didn’t ’save’ New York, nor is he a hero of 9/11. He was a mediocre mayor with MANY personal failings. As soon as he was out of office, he couldn’t wait to profit off of his association with 9/11.
He is certainly not someone who should be President of our great country.
April 25th, 2007 at 5:26 pmRight but what about the “progressive” mayors who let black and Hispanic neighborhoods be rat infested, crack infested shooting galleries for 100 years? Where’s all the substantive “progressive” discussion about that instead of name calling?
April 25th, 2007 at 5:27 pmSee, this just adds icing to the cake of not voting for Rudy. A lifelong NYer who absolutely hated him (I didn’t live in the city, in fact the exact opposite). Giuliani only really came through in a crisis — 9/11, and the fact that he’s using that as a springboard to higher office isn’t surprising. All he has to do is wave the LOOK I HELPED IN 9/11 flag and he’s got millions of devotees.
But he won’t win for one simple reason.
NO ONE CAN SPELL HIS NAME CORRECTLY.
I have seen so many fucking misspellings on his name, and it drives me batty. Granted, it’s probably karmic payback for misspelling Niagara when he was running for Senate, but damn.
I don’t give a shit about his personal life. I do know what his record was in NYC, and I am not impressed.
April 25th, 2007 at 5:31 pmzipster,
of which does rudy have more: draft deferments or ex-wives?
which did he spend more time doing: avoidong military service or committing adultery?
how can you follow into war a man who has spent so many nights in sleazy motels with his future ex-wives and so few in any uniform of his nation?
April 25th, 2007 at 9:28 pmZippi
1. Since you have changed the direction of the discussion from Guiliani as a president to the NYC mayors that preceded him (the two most recent ex-mayors – Dinkins and Koch – are not running for president and the three before them – Beame, Lindsay and Wagner – are deceased) – this indicates to me that you realize that the “Guiliani – Super Savior of New York” hype should be rolled back quite a bit. Way back …
2. The problems with some of the minority neighborhoods in NYC started in the 1950’s and 1960’s – not over “the past 100 years” as you said in your comment. Many of these problems were independent of mayoral policies.
3. Guiliani added 4,000 police during his time. (The mayor that preceded him, Dinkins, added 2,000 during his time). One of Guiliani’s “big moves” as NYC mayor was to cut the municipal workforce. He did this by attrition. This helped give him room to finance the increase in police.
Do not under estimate the significance of the direction of the federal budget during Guiliani’s time as mayor (which basically paralleled the Clinton terms as president). During this time – the federal budget was moving from a deficit to ultimately a surplus.
Federal deficits tend to increase the threat of reduced federal aid to major US cities. This is important because in spending areas where NYC wants help from the federal government – such as Medicaid and programs like subsidized housing and welfare – New York receives far more federal aid per capita than most other American cities.
If the Clinton administration had been in deficit like the Bush administration is – it may have been pressured to cut federal aid to Guiliani in NYC. This would have worked to offset the gains from the workforce reduction and made it harder to increase the police force as he did.
With the Bush deficits – this is how life is nowadays for the current NYC Mayor – Republican Michael Bloomberg:
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Bloomberg accuses Bush of shortchanging the No Child Left Behind Act …
Bloomberg criticizes Bush’s proposed cuts to federal funds for child care …
Bloomberg argues that Republicans promised $700 million to implement the new election law passed in the wake of the Florida debacle, yet Bush finds only $40 million in his budget for it …
Bloomberg opposes Bush’s proposed cuts to bioterrorism funds for NYC …
Bloomberg opposes the $110 million reduction in a program for dislocated workers …
Bloomberg opposes the $240 million cut to a program that helps New York City fight poverty …
Bloomberg opposes the elimination of Justice Department grants that NYC uses to help fight drugs and pay 911 operators …
Bloomberg opposes the slashing of millions from public housing …
Bloomberg opposes Bush’s paltry spending on the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program …
In 2003, Bloomberg had to consider CUTS to the NYC Police force.
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With respect to Guiliani’s positive accomplishments, if Guiliani was in Bloomberg’s shoes (i.e., forced to deal with the aftermath of Bush’s fiscal administration) it is debatable if Guiliani would have been able to accomplish these things (or at least to the extent that he did).
Guiliani accomplished some good things. But he had help. Crime started to decline nationwide in the early 1990’s.
Who was president?
April 25th, 2007 at 11:05 pmExley (who is actually not so bad as far as trolls go) can just keep on (wet)-dreaming about Guiliani’s chances. I am mature enough to accept that some–should I say, “many” politicians philander; I also grew up in a divorced household, and accept that. But Rudy didn’t even have the decency to discuss his desire to divorce privately with his second wife–the mother of his children–before announcing it at a very public press conference. I can’t see how he can garner much of the women’s vote, and, like it or not, trolls, we women constitute at least half–probably more–of the voters.
April 26th, 2007 at 9:07 am#185
You are not Zooey.
Whoever you are – I guess you see yourself as the heart and soul of the Republican Party … Hijacking names and saying the ridiculous things you just said …
April 26th, 2007 at 3:46 pmI’d rather run the risk of another 9/11 than ever see another f*cking Republican in the White House. The ONLY good Republican is the one that’s dead.
April 26th, 2007 at 6:19 pm#186
Another hi-jack by a mindless troll. I doubt this was actually said by Uncle Ho.
April 27th, 2007 at 9:42 amOoops …
Meant #189 not #186.
Good points #186 … Calb.
April 27th, 2007 at 11:12 pm