Escalation Architect: ‘We Are Turning A Corner In Iraq’
Escalation Architect: ‘We Are Turning A Corner In Iraq’
Last December, the Iraq Study Group reported “sustained increases in U.S. troop levels would not solve the fundamental cause of violence in Iraq.” Bush quickly ditched the report and turned instead to American Enterprise Institute “military analyst” Frederick Kagan. Kagan — who had “the president’s ear” — drafted his own report that prescribed exactly what Bush was looking for: “We must send more American combat forces into Iraq and especially into Baghdad to support this operation.”
Kagan explained that “any other option” besides escalation would fail. The results of escalation:
– Last month “marked the first time that the U.S. military suffered four straight months of 80 or more fatalities”
– The deadliest single attack since the war began occurred this month, a suicide truck bombing in Tal Afar that killed 152 people
– The deadliest attack yet inside the Green Zone also occurred this month, a suicide bombing in the Iraqi Parliament
– Yesterday marked the deadliest day for American ground forces since the war began
Kagan’s escalation plan is bringing to bear a deadlier cycle of violence in Iraq. But wedded to his plan for “success,” he writes that the U.S. is “turning the corner“:
The new effort to establish security in Iraq has begun. At this early stage, the most positive development is a rise in hostility to al-Qaida in the Sunni community. … [O]n balance, there is reason for wary optimism. … The most that can be said now is that we seem to be turning a corner.
The administration and its allies have been quick to hail “turning points” in Iraq. As Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-IL) noted, “When you’ve ‘turned the corner’ in Iraq more times than Danica Patrick at the Indy 500, it means you are going in circles.”
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Circles dont have corners.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:30 amNewman!!!
April 24th, 2007 at 11:31 amAh yes, another proud chickenhawk who understands the need to sacrifice others’ lives for his sense of honor.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:31 amWhy is it that there are so many chubby-cheeked, chinless, balding and overweight white guys squinting through wire rim glasses in the Bush Administration?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:32 amThat pic looks like a Jesus General photoshop. How old is herr kagan? Young enough to enlist into OCS I’ll bet?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:32 amThey’re still using that line? I swear, if we turn any more corners we’ll have a circle.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:32 amre #1
neither do spirals of water heading down the toilet.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:33 amI always find it fascinating that when you lack any substance to back up your comments, you always revert to sound bites. “Turning the corner.”
Unfortunately, the 30%s will simply view this as another “sign” that things are going well.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:35 amLook at that pasty-faced puke! Look at ‘im! He could not do a gym workout let alone fight in a war! And he’s the one responsible for the latest catastrophe! God help the soldiers!
April 24th, 2007 at 11:35 amThree words: fat cheesy f*ck
April 24th, 2007 at 11:36 amHow sadly pathetic and delusional.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:37 amNow we know what ever became of Kent Dorfmann.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:38 amThis military reject is responsible? Isn’t that the guy that owned Arnold’s in Happy Days?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:38 amneither do spirals of water heading down the toilet.
Comment by bob (not the hacker)
Hadnt read the last part of the comment above, but your graphic interpretation is more accurate.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:40 amhttp://www.antiwar.com/ blog/ 2007/ 04/ 24/ congress-rubberstamps-martial-law/
The 109th congress at it’s worst. Look out the closer we get to November 08.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:40 amHe looks like he never met a box of malomars he couldn’t win a war against…
April 24th, 2007 at 11:40 amIsn’t AEI home of the war-profiteers and their families?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:40 amAnd by the looks of you, is a Krispy Kreme around THAT corner?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:41 amWhen stuck in a labyrinth, corners ( and dead ends) are all there are.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:42 amHe looks like he could be Karl Rove and John McCain’s love child.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:43 amThis guy should be the new “War Czar”. He needs to manage the war up close and personal-like.
Get this: A scholar of boxing - even a PhD-level scholar - does not a boxer make. In fact, a boxing match between a mid-level amature and a scholar of the sport would go like this: Ding. Bing. 1…2..3…he’s out!
Now you might argue that the position of “War Czar” is more of a coaching position than a soldiering position. Well, a good coach looks, acts, and lives the part. A good coach has taken a punch to the face, and knows what it is he’s asking of his boxer. If you can’t fit in, you can’t lead.
This dude should be appointed to the post of “War Czar”, immediately.
Either that, or he should STFU.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:45 amKagan : just another delusional cheerleader for the USS Mission Un-Accomplished!
April 24th, 2007 at 11:46 amYep. We are turning the corner. The surge is working. It’s going to be a long, hard fight, but Bush is ready for it. Only deafeatists can’t see the progress being made it Iraq.
STFU.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:46 amWhy do these people all look the same? What evil genetic cloning experiment gone wrong were these people spawned from?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:47 amsame to you firehead!
April 24th, 2007 at 11:48 am“He looks like he could be Karl Rove and John McCain’s love child.”
Eewwww… I’m not gonna be able to sleep tonight w/ that image riccocheting around my brain. Thanks alot, Raven.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:49 amsorry, man……………..
April 24th, 2007 at 11:50 amFirehead,
So you buy the “Just six more onths line” eh?
How many times do we have to hear the six more months crap?
It’s over. Our troops won the war, but you can’t win an oocupation. Let the Iraqi’s deal with their crap on their own.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:50 amDamn fed the troll now it’ll never leave.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:50 amWhy did he leave out the part about when the soldiers will be returning home after they turn the corner?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:51 amWith each passing day they parade out another misfit from under some bridge…This one look’s like the camera must of blown up with the picture….GEEES, proof posative birth control should be retroactive……Blessings
April 24th, 2007 at 11:51 amREAD YOUR BIBLE
“Ye though I say unto you, they shall raise up the least among them to the highest post and he shall appear as a monkey. The sheep shall follow and the lies shall flow like water from the sea. They shall believe his deceptions and follow him unto war with the wrong nation. And Cheney will shoot a guy in the face too.”
Lobotomy 9:11
April 24th, 2007 at 11:51 amYou Marched into iraq now you can waltz out DEFEATED
April 24th, 2007 at 11:53 amTP does a great job showing the flaws of other plans. I am still waiting for TP’s plan that details a better way to provide the Iraqi’s with Democracy, Freedom, and Peace. The current plan, while flawed, is the best plan since no one else has provided anything better. The only we hear about other then the current plan is to declare Iraq a lost cause and leave. This isn’t a plan that would in anyway provide Democracy, Freedom, and Peace (but those proposing to put up the white flag of defeat know that as well). I can only wonder if TP and others have ever considered the Iraqi people. Do you care if the people of Iraq get Freedom, Democracy, and peace? Do you care that if we leave, the terrorist will take over the country taking away all the rights of women and stopping all education of children? Do you care that if we leave, the dreams of the Iraqi people is dead and we force them into a future that is dominated by a few terrorist thugs? I just wonder if anyone on the left actually cares about the well being of the Iraqi’s when you talk about defeat and you talk about turning the country over to the terrorists. Sure we are in a bad spot, but I fail to understand how we can morally walk away from the Iraqi people.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:53 amsomeone fix that link header above… 10 soldiers in one day is bad, but far from the deadliest day since the start of the war, unfortunately.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:55 am
TURNING THE CORNER CLIP
http://politicalhumor.about.com/ gi/ dynamic/ offsite.htm?site=http:/ / www.toostupidtobepresident.com/ shockwave/ turningcorner.htm
This says it all. Sadly.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:56 amOn PBS last night, there was a documentary about the 60’s, with the focus on Vietnam, the increasing escalation and the increasing protests against the war. There are SO many parallels between Vietnam and Iraq that sometimes I feel like I’ve gone back into a time machine. Something that I was unaware of before, and apparently has only recently been revealed, is that Nixon was planning to drop nukes on Hanoi in North Vietnam. But the huge numbers of people protesting the war at that time (they literally surrounded the White House…Kissinger slept in the WH basement for days!…talk about bunkers) STOPPED his plans.
As for Kagan, he looks like the kind of person who would have been severely bullied as a kid. But rather than pick up a gun and shoot fellow classmates, this guy picks up a pen and helps kill thousands.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:56 am“I fail to understand how we can morally walk away from the Iraqi people.”
Particularly after wasting so many of them, huh?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:57 amThe AEI = the neocons go-to guys.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:58 amIf Jesus was the son of DOG why did he not invent a Yamaha XT500 for his travels instead of using a donkey
God invented the world and jesus could not even invent a toothbrush
April 24th, 2007 at 11:59 amYes, turning the corner on increased deaths for American soldiers and more deaths of Iraqi civilians too. Impeach Bush and Cheney today!
April 24th, 2007 at 12:00 pmRoger_Roger,
You love to pull out those old chestnuts eh? “They don’t have a plan!”
Well Roger, as you may or may not no, TP is part of the Center for American Progress.
Here’s there plan to end the war. Strategic Redployment.
http://www.americanprogress.org/ issues/ 2006/ 10/ sr_highlight.html
Read it first, then make your moronic comments after. Get your facts straight.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:03 pmThe great irony concerning whom the administration wishes to listen to regarding foreign policy in Iraq is exactly what the late David Halberstam wrote about in The Best and the Brightest. LBJ surrounded himself with what were considered to be the most knowledgeable people regarding foreign policy and in particular the situation in Vietnam. As Halberstam pointed out in his book, despite the fact that things in Vietnam were steadily deteriorating, LBJ continued to believe the flawed advice that he was given, by people like McGeorge Bundy, Robert McNamara, Walt Rostow, et al. The same scene is now being played out in Iraq while American soldiers and Iraqis continue to pay the price for American hubris.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:03 pmR2 your a delusional sack of excrement. In your dying idealogy do you believe for one second the Bush Junta gives a rats ass about the slaughter of the iraqi people? As evident from renditions, haditha, and daily slaughters obviously not. Which rationalization are you on today? Freedom? Democracy? Terra? your ever changing excuses are blending into drivel. Your failure in chief broke it and you own it . FACT. No amount of spin and strawman projective displacements change that intractable fact.
Tell us brownshirt, why do you salute failure, sender Americans into a meat grinder where the majority of Iraqi believe attacking tropps is good, complying with OBL wishes to bog us down in an intrqctable civil war?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:03 pm“He looks like he could be Karl Rove and John McCain’s love child.â€
Eewwww… I’m not gonna be able to sleep tonight w/ that image riccocheting around my brain. Thanks alot, Raven.
Comment by the republic of stupidity — April 24, 2007 @ 11:49 am
sorry, man……………..
Comment by Raven — April 24, 2007 @ 11:50 am
It was a point that needed to be made. The truth isn’t always pretty.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:04 pmHe looks like a lean, mean, fighting machine. I can’t believe GW would fire generals who disagreed with him in order to take the advice of this fatbody. He probably taught home economics at West Point.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:06 pmRogerX2
“Freedom isn’t free”. If the Iraqis want freedom now, they need to step up and earn it. We can’t “give” them anymore than we have.
Democracy is government by the people, not imposed or given to them by some outside agent. If the Iraqis want a democratic style of government, they need to create one.
Peace is not promoted by putting American soldiers in the midst of a civil war as additional targets.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:07 pmThat picture looks like he just rolled out of bed after sleeping in his suit all night, which raises the question: Are you a fat slob because you’re a republican or are you a republican because you’re a fat slob?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:09 pmThis idiot has no education on the Middle East. His “expertise” was all Soviet/European. All he’s doing is providing Bush the report he wants.
We are so f*cked.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:09 pmGreat. Another corner. The only problem is this admin and it’s mindless/spineless supporters have turned som any corners they’re running in circles.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:11 pm#43, great post as alway’s….Blessings
April 24th, 2007 at 12:11 pmPlenty of plans out there for Iraq, but the first step must be to admit that Iraq is a huge disaster that never should have happened, Until the head bushie and all his little bushies are forced to face up to this, we will continue with the incompetence, ineptitude, and disconnect that has gotten us into this mess.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:13 pm“The most that can be said now is that we seem to be turning a corner.”
April 24th, 2007 at 12:14 pmYea, right.
That corner is turning into a deadend, or, more precisely, another deadend.
You’re doing a heck of a job, Bushie.
#43 Not sure were you gathered I think Bush is doing a good job. I very much agree that he has done a horrible job. We should have never invaded Iraq and the war has been mismanaged ever since. In the end, we still “broke” that country. Morally, we are responsible for fixing it. I agree that Bush doesn’t care about the Iraqi people. I simply fail to see how any plan that says we should simply leave and let the Iraqi’s get taken over by terrorists shows anymore compassion for the Iraqi people.
We relaly need to craft a plan that only 3 goals is to provide Democracy, Freedom, and Peace. A very large part of that is American forces right now. We need to clean that country up and provide a massive amount of security while the people of Iraq rebuild their country and work towards a Democracy complete with Freedom and Peace.
TP’s “plan” is very very selfish. It focus and goal is only American interests. It cares nothing about the true outcome of Iraq as not even TP believes that if we leave, Iraq will somehow wake up the next day having Democracy, Freedom, and Peace. TP’s plan would certainly be the best solution for America no doubt. The problem is it would also resort in Iraq never having the Democracy and Freedom those people so much deserve. Furthermore, the Security of that country would be wiped out over night once we left. Women and Children would suffer the most when we leave and Iraq would in fact become one more terrorist state.
I am ready and willing to accept a new plan. The plan however needs to focus 100% on what is best for the Iraq people in their journey towards freedom and democracy. Any selfish plan that shows no heart or care for the Iraqis is a loser in my mind.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:14 pmComment by Roger_Roger — April 24, 2007 @ 11:53 am
This thread is about Kagan, the escalation architect. The Iraq Study Group that Bush chose to ignore said escalation WOULD NOT WORK. And this guy, with no credentials, gets 40,000 more troops sent into harms way.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:15 pmRodger do you really beleive the crap that comes out of your mouth?
Do you ever get tired of saying the same crap over and over again?
THe palestinians have democracy. They elected Hamas. Is Iraqis having the freedom to have a Hamas-like government worth our troops dying for?
I think I’ve asked you this a thousand times, but please tell me the political parties in Iraq that you beleive are going to govern Iraq in a pro-western, anti Iranian/Shia way….? And whose the enemy? THe Sunni insurgents or the Shia death squads that have inflitrated the governmetn?
We wern’t the ones who sh1t in the cooking pot. You guys did, and you assaulted the patriotism of anyone who didnt beleive your crap about the imminent danger of the WMD. You intimidated polticians into voting for this war, and now your saying…”well.. YOU CLEAN UP MY MESS”.
hell no, this is bush’s war through and through. frankly, everyone else that went along was badgered, bribed, or brainwashed.
you break it, you buy it b1tch…
April 24th, 2007 at 12:19 pmHe probably taught home economics at West Point.
Comment by ben — April 24, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
He’s not THAT qualified.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:19 pmRoger,
I thought the reason the we went to Iraq was to protect America. IF that is the rationale, then why are you so worried about the Iraqi’s. Now you want to be compassionate about their needs?
And if you are caring about what they want, then we should still leave. All the polls show an overwhelming majority of Iraqi’s want us out. I say we ask vehemently for a vote form the duly elected parliament of Iraq on whether or not they want us there.
(At least now you can put away the argument that their are no plans on our side. It’s an old talking point.)
April 24th, 2007 at 12:20 pmre #20:
April 24th, 2007 at 12:21 pmand delivered through the cloaca.
How long would that fat guy in the pic last on the streets of Baghdad? 15 minutes or an hour at best! He is plump enough that starving Iraqis might cook and eat him too.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:22 pmLooks like the “Hi, I’m a PC” guy in the Apple adds.
“Hey PC, take a look at this Iraq peace accord and timetable for withdrawl I created on my Mac!”
“Oh I’m a Mac and I’m all about peace and good will towards men. Actually I have a better idea. Why don’t I just calculate how much time, money, international trust, and solider’s lives we’ve ’spent’ in Iraq.”
April 24th, 2007 at 12:24 pmAny selfish plan that shows no heart or care for the Iraqis is a loser in my mind.
Comment by Roger_Roger — April 24, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
Oh right, Bush and you Republican care about the Iraqi people. That’s why they’re practically stealing the oil out from under them.
The United States is quickly turning into a fascist country and I think the citizens better start worrying about our own democracy instead of other country’s.
We obviously are not in control of this administration. It breaks laws at will and then finds another loophole to cover itself. Laws were never written that can cover the level of abuse and corruption shown by Bush and his cronies.
The founding fathers could not have known that people like these would rise to power and destroy every thing this country has stood for.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:25 pmOh, good! Another corner! This one must be the last, right? How many corners have we turned?
… wait a minute… this place looks familiar… I think we’ve been down this corridor before… There’s a corner up ahead. maybe once we turn that corner we’ll be home free…
(turns corner)
Damn! It’s the janitor from the Xanadu Star Theater in Cleveland again! Maybe he can give us directions one more time.
Hello Cleveland! Rock and Roll!
April 24th, 2007 at 12:25 pmFor how many ‘Friedman Units’ have these NeoCons said the same thing?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:29 pmR2 chortles “I agree that Bush doesn’t care about the Iraqi people. I simply fail to see how any plan that says we should simply leave and let the Iraqi’s get taken over by terrorists (1% foreign fighter, added by me for clarity) shows anymore compassion for the Iraqi people.”
Then has the juevos to ask what should “we” do? For yourself you can strain a wee bit harder and see what is in your small intestine.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:32 pm#61 I achnowledges that Bush doesn’t care about the Iraqi’s. Iraqi Oil contracts are not going to Americans either. Actually, American Oil firms haven’t won a single contract yet so you really can’t chalk that one up on Bush. Most of the Iraqi Oil is being currently bought by China.
Either way, I wish someone would produce a plan that focused on the Iraqi people’s future. I guess that is a pipedream as even the left is showing they have no interest in helping those poor folks.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:36 pmJeez, another fat fairy Repuke chickenhawk.
These guys should be sent to Baghdad with no body armor and no 100-soldier entourage. See how they like it.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:47 pm#
The founding fathers could not have known that people like these would rise to power and destroy every thing this country has stood for.
Comment by Shane — April 24, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
#
Actually, they did. Hence, the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. In addition, read the Federalist papers. They were VERY aware of such people arising to power. If any of us expect our government to “keep up free,” we are the deluded ones. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Our founders knew that. It’s up to “we the people” to keep our selves free!
#55 - excellent response to R_R.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:49 pmWhy should we focus on Iraq’s future? That’s Iraq’s job.
Remember when Chimpy promised in 2000 that he would NOT do nationbuilding and NOT get us into an open-ended war?
Chimpy lied. And he’s lied to us ever since.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:50 pmProblem is, when we turned that corner, it put us right smack in the middle of the Sharifiya Bridge.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:51 pmChimpy says Congress should stop micromanaging Iraq and let the generals do their job.
But Chimpy refused to listen to the generals when they said NO to the surge. Instead, he listened to some fat fairy from the Independence Institute, which is the reich-wingnut think tank all Chimpy’s cronies come from.
Once again Chimpy lies.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:52 pmUnfortunately, the 30%s will simply view this as another “sign†that things are going well.
The region is going to have to deal with the fallout sooner or later and I am not willing to keep sacrificing Americans on the altar of a pathologically deranged moron’s vanity.
Those who are bitching and moaning that we have to let the troops win are pathological too and are going to yammer on no matter what. They are still yammering about Vietnam. Fuck ‘em. Write ‘em off. They are ineducable and unreachable and even dealing with them is an impediment to progress. They are 30%, tops, so fuck ‘em. I don’t give a good god-damn what those stupid, craven, sociopathic fucktards think. I repeat…Fuck em.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:53 pm“When you’ve ‘turned the corner’ in Iraq more times than Danica Patrick at the Indy 500, it means you are going in circles.â€
great quote
April 24th, 2007 at 12:58 pmTaint possible to “turn a corner” in a Royal Imperial Quagmire-Swamp… The only thing left to do is back up, back out, and come home immediately. Let’s start by supporting our American troops in America, where they belong. Let’s support our National Guard troops in our fifty states, where they belong.
Bush is just a very sore loser with a very weak ego. The Republicans have stolen two Presidential Elections: 2000 and 2004, the latter done electronically. See yesterday’s postings in Alternet.org for details and see crooksandlines.com for comments.
Cheers.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:00 pmThe US will soon be turning another corner in Iraq in, say oh, one -maybe two- Friedman Units.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:06 pmMy gawd … not only is Kagan the “architect” of a house of cards that’s already crumbling, I bet he has a hell of a time with pillow cases.
(Think about it)
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April 24th, 2007 at 1:11 pmI was thinking the same thing. This guy looks about as much like a battle-hardened military strategist as the Pillsbury Doughboy.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:20 pmRoger_Roger you are dumber than a box of rocks! Do you think Bush gives a rats arse if the Iraqi’s have freedom and peace? All Bush wants to do is protect the oil fields. I can’t believe how stupid you mother fuckers in the 30% crowd are. Sorry for the bad language but having been a Marine seeing fat fuck chicken hawks like this piece of shit send me over the edge!
April 24th, 2007 at 1:30 pmI don’t mean to go down this road but why does all the Heritage Foundation people look Jewish? Sorry if am stepping on toes but it just seems that way to me.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:32 pmI don’t trust anything out of the mouths of anyone even loosely associated with the AEI. They do not have the interests of the American people at heart.
BTW - wasn’t roger squared yelling at us after the ‘06 elections that he wasn’t hearing the new majority Democrats screaming for withdrawal from Iraq? At that time he acted disappointed about that and was yelling at us for not being upset about it. Now, when they are trying to craft a reasonable timetable for withdrawal, he changes his tune!
April 24th, 2007 at 1:35 pmCheney just now on CNN playing his usual role of attack dog. According to him, Sen. Reid has changed his position three times in five months from providing the troops with all the funds they need, to providing those funds but with conditions and now supporting Feingold’s legislation to cut off all funding. Naturally, they don’t see that their own unwillingness to negotiate is resulting in a backlash. Secondly, I guess he
April 24th, 2007 at 1:53 pmforgot” how the rationale for invading Iraq changed over the same time period of five months. I hope this gives some traction and encouragement for the House to accept Kucinich’s Articles of Impeachment against this man who is one of the primary dangers to our democracy.
Turning a corner? That propaganda is sooooooo 2005. Get with the times!!!
April 24th, 2007 at 1:58 pmopp ack…
everytime I look at that picture, I think of Flounder from Animal House.
“Son, fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life”- Dean Wermer
April 24th, 2007 at 2:07 pmYeah. We’re one corner away from making a goddamn dodecahedron over there.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:22 pmBush only works with pasty white guys with double chins.
Must be a soft place to rest his nutsack.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:26 pmI swear we have turned so many corners in Iraq, that it feels like we are going in circles.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:48 pm“Sustaining the Surge”
Tomorrow, April 25th:
“At this event, AEI resident scholar Frederick W. Kagan will present the second phase of the Iraq Planning Group’s report, “Choosing Victory: A Plan for Success in Iraq,†which addresses these critical questions, and outlines how the United States can build on the momentum provided by the surge and begin the “hold†operations needed to consolidate the peace.”
We should be hearing a new set of talking points tomorrow evening.
note the “consolidate the peace” phrase - WHAT PEACE??!
April 24th, 2007 at 2:50 pm(I apologize in advance for my completely gut-level, wholly unclinical reaction to Frederick Kagan’s photo.)
Another pasty little tool gets to live out his armchair warrior fantasies and wreak his vengeance on all the jocks who snapped towels at him in the locker room, or took his lunch money. Dungeons and Dragons lost its punch, so he joins a stink tank full of other nutless geeks and counsels the prez on how to send real men to die for oil.
America needs to collectively piss all over these deluded neocon asshats, and make sure that they NEVER have any influence in our government, ever, ever again.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:04 pm“The Case for Larger Ground Forces”
Another article (posed today) by Fred Kagan that I’m sure has the war-profiteers salivating!
http://www.aei.org/ publications/ pubID.26017,filter.all/ pub_detail.asp
These guys envision many more wars in the near future!
April 24th, 2007 at 3:06 pmWhat is it with Bush and pudgy white boys?
April 24th, 2007 at 3:36 pmNo. 34 Comment by Roger_Roger — April 24, 2007 @ 11:53 am
You complained:
“I am still waiting for TP’s plan that details a better way to provide the Iraqi’s with Democracy, Freedom, and Peace.”
You believe in nation building or you would not argue this way. What gives you the right to push your vision of how a country should govern itself? Iraq is a sovereign nation! You claim the right to force a sovereign nation into democracy. You simply have no right to do that. Stop trying to make the world conform to your egotistical desires. Yet your leader Bush did exactly that and you go right along with it.
You now are unhappy with the result and blame Bush’s incompetence. He made a “mess” and now because you believe in Powell’s “pottery barn rule,” (you broke it, you own it), you want to stay and “fix it.” The pottery barn rule is bullshit! First we get out, then when the civil war is over, we can talk about plans to fix the mess we made.
Have you read the book “Out of Iraq” by George McGovern and William Polk? (copyrighted in 2006!) It gives a very real approach to the “problems” you are complaining about. Chapter 5 is titled “How to get out of Iraq” and talks about our responsibilities regarding the “mess” we have made and what we need to about it. So there IS a viable plan to deal with this illegal mess Bush created.
Now, Rogerx2, I don’t want to hear any more whining from you until you read the book , at which time I will be happy to discuss these issues with you. Go and do your homework! NEVER SAY THERE IS NO PLAN AGAIN. You are flat out wrong!
Please respond to my post here or I will badger you until you do.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:38 pmNo. 87 Comment by bwindrip — April 24, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
(I apologize in advance for my completely gut-level, wholly unclinical reaction to Frederick Kagan’s photo.)
Hey, being dead on the money needs no apology. Love your psychological “evaluation!” It is a world where reality and fantasy colide.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:43 pmNo. 65 Comment by Roger_Roger — April 24, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
You said:
“Actually, American Oil firms haven’t won a single contract yet so you really can’t chalk that one up on Bush. Most of the Iraqi Oil is being currently bought by China.”
The only reason this has not happened is because of Bush’s failure to secure Iraq as a puppet state. Look up Paul Bremmer’s 100 edicts! American companies were poised and waiting to do that and lots more, AS SOON AS Iraq was calm and easy to take over economically.
Please read Brenner’s edicts. Don’t babble on as you do, until you do your homework.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:55 pmWhat a manly warrior. No liberal college student would be able to sneak up on this modern day Spartan fighter.
-GSD
April 24th, 2007 at 5:45 pmgod, what an ugly chinless motherf***er.
the gene pool this assklown crawled out of needs a large dose of chlorine.
April 24th, 2007 at 7:35 pmVirgin….and pissed about it.
God, if you’re there, please save us……from the angry virgin….
April 24th, 2007 at 7:38 pmHe defintely looks like a cowardly, draft-dodging chickenhawk to me.
April 24th, 2007 at 8:13 pmNO ONE can tell me that this Kagan…
…is not the product of incest…
…and HE has the preznit’s ear…
…unh unh unh…
April 24th, 2007 at 10:49 pmAch, that guy makes me miss 70’s porn.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:02 pmFrancis Kagan, aka Jabba the Wingnut, was on the Newshour with Judy Woodruff & Army Captain Phillip Carter, blubbering on about how, despite the deadliest attack yesterday on the 82nd Airborne in 40 years, the Surge (which he so expertly conceived) is, you guessed it, SUCCEEDING!!! Jowls atremble, he described said successes as though he’d personally participated in frontline action: “significant weapons caches…which WE then picked up” “So - the effort is working …WE’re working with locals” etc. Carter, the actual soldier, was considerably less upbeat about both the Surge & the ‘intelligence’ from locals & described how the Surge in Diyala & elsewhere exposed US forces to far greater risks against an enemy that understands how to kill Americans for maximum strategic & media benefit.
With his corpulent, seatbound heroics & mendacious advocacy, the Surge has found its’ most appropriate talking head in the lying, lard-layered, many-chinned chickenhawk, Francis Kagan.
Helluva job there, Francis, your bloated willingness to sacrifice able-bodied others to a futile bloodbath, is a literal illustration of the Administration you enable.
April 25th, 2007 at 8:14 amanother chickenhawk gets to throw his two cents in to determine the fate of the world.
April 25th, 2007 at 9:02 am