Kyl ‘Walks Off The Battlefield’ Of Intellectual Honesty
Kyl ‘Walks Off The Battlefield’ Of Intellectual Honesty
Last night, congressional Democrats settled on an agreement “to ignore President Bush’s veto threat and send him a $124 billion war spending bill that orders the administration to begin pulling troops out of Iraq,” with a final withdrawal goal of October 1, 2007.
Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) attacked the plan this morning on CNN, claiming it was “the first time I know of — in the middle of a war — that a country just announces that on a specific date it’s walking off the battlefield.” He added, “[I]t’s almost as if Americans want to say that we’re failing before our troops have a chance to get the job done.” Watch it:
Kyl doesn’t mention that on two separate occasions during the Clinton administration, he voted explicitly in favor of setting “a specific date” for American troops to “walk off the battlefield”:
– In June 1998, Kyl voted in favor of amending the National Defense Authorization Act for FY1999 to “require the President to submit Congress a plan for withdrawing United States forces from Bosnia and Herzegovina if the Congress does not so act by March 31, 1999.”
– In May 2000, Kyl voted against removing a provision from Military Construction Appropriations Act of 2001 that struck provisions requiring that President Bill Clinton withdraw all U.S. ground forces from Kosovo by July 1, 2001.
Since then, Kyl has become a critic of timelines and has voted again and again to give Bush a blank check in Iraq.
Transcript:
ROBERTS: Congress could begin voting tomorrow on the $124 billion war-spending bill, which orders a phased pullout of U.S. troops. All of it sets up a showdown with President Bush. Joining us now to talk about it is Republican Senator Jon Kyl of Arizona. Senator Kyl, thanks for being with us this morning. Appreciate it.
First of all, what’s your impression of the bill that the Democrats have crafted and will be handing to the president later on this week?
KYL: Well, in some respects it’s worse than the original bill because it still has deadlines and times for pullouts. In fact, it doesn’t matter whether the Iraqis meet the benchmarks that are set forth in the bill or not, we still have to begin pulling out our troops in October, and the goal is to have them out by next year.
So it’s the first time I know of in the middle of a war that a country just announces that on a specific date it’s walking off the battlefield.
ROBERTS: Congressman John Murtha joined us a little earlier this morning, senator. I asked him if he thought that the surge had failed or if there were some signs of progress. Here’s what he said in response to that. Take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
REP. JOHN P. MURTHA, D-PA.: I think the surge has failed. I think there was no possibility that it was going to work. I think the British had 130,000 people there 20 — 50 years ago — well, it was 80 years ago, and they only had 2.5 million people in Iraq.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ROBERTS: Senator Kyl, do you agree? Has the surge failed?
KYL: Well, he’s looking back 50 or 80 years ago. I’m not sure which.
General Petraeus is going to be here tomorrow. I suggest that my colleagues, this time, come to the meeting where General Petraeus will be there to brief us and tell us what he thinks is happening on the ground. After all, he’s the one we sent over there, confirmed unanimously, to carry out the mission.
Also, bear in mind that only about half of the additional troops that we are going to be sending to Baghdad and Anbar province have actually arrived. So I think it’s a little premature to say that it’s failed. I mean, it’s almost as if Americans want to say that we’re failing before our troops have a chance to get the job done.
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GO JON KYL!!!!
April 24th, 2007 at 3:23 pmYeah, Jon, Go SIGN UP! The Army needs you!
April 24th, 2007 at 3:25 pmwhat battlefield? the ’surge’ is working!
April 24th, 2007 at 3:26 pmHypocrisy, thy political party is Republican!
April 24th, 2007 at 3:26 pmKyl, however, is forgetting that on two separate occasions during the Clinton administration, he voted explicitly in favor of setting “a specific date†for American troops to “walk off the battlefieldâ€
Oops…looks like Kyl has ‘Gonzoitis’…
Selective memory seems to be a common Repuke affliction.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:27 pmOkay, whatever he wants to call it, but at least he is aware that it is all of America.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:27 pmHow long are our troops supposed to stay in this bloodbath with no clear goals and no exit strategy? The whole f-ing country is a battlefield, moron, thanks to Chimpy McFlightsuit not having any clue how to run an occupation. It’s madness.
Troll, enlist or STFU.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:27 pmTP, thank you for consistently calling these hypocrates on thier bs. It amazes me that these politicians can ridicual one thing, yet be guilty of it aswell. I don’t know how you find all these past quotes from politicians, but thank you for putting thier hypocracy in print.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:27 pm#1 - “GO JON KYL!!!!” Comment by Frank Matthews — April 24, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
Yeah!
Prove to the American people that the Republican party is one of hypocrisy and double-standards!
Way to go, hypocrite Sen. Kyl!
April 24th, 2007 at 3:27 pmBosnia and Kosovo were not REAL wars.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:28 pm“the first time I know of — in the middle of a war — that a country just announces that on a specific date it’s walking off the battlefield.â€
Not counting Kyls own past actions, what about the other nations in the Grand Coalitionâ„¢ that have announced troop withdrawals. Silly neocons and their selective memories.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:28 pmMore surging! Let’s ALL go to Iraq! Republicans first!
April 24th, 2007 at 3:28 pm3333
April 24th, 2007 at 3:30 pmNo sh!t? What next, “The sky is blue.”
April 24th, 2007 at 3:31 pmAnd we can blame all this on the Jews.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:31 pmyou know thinkprogress.org keeps on doing this, they grab Republican politican words and show how they think they are being hypocrites now.
Regardless of what Jon Kyl did in the past, he has a good point, it is 100% stupid, wrong and idiotic to announce to our enemies when we will be walking out of the battlefield.
I mean, why would thinkprogress.org criticize Jon Kyl’s past actions,
– In June 1998, Kyl voted in favor of amending the National Defense Authorization Act for FY1999 to “require the President to submit Congress a plan for withdrawing United States forces from Bosnia and Herzegovina if the Congress does not so act by March 31, 1999.â€
– In May 2000, Kyl voted against removing a provision from Military Construction Appropriations Act of 2001 that struck provisions requiring that President Bill Clinton withdraw all U.S. ground forces from Kosovo by July 1, 2001.
…………if these agree with the Democratic Party current political strategy!
in fact, you can show that thinkprogress.org and Democratic Politicians are being hypocrites since they attacked Jon Kyl when he voted for the above measures, right?
Democrats didn’t want to set timelines for our troops in Serbia, but they have no problem setting time lines for our troops in Iraq.
so thinkprogress.org, in pointing out to Jon Kyl’s hypocrisy, you have pointed out to your own hypocrasy and that of the Democratic Party.
good job!!!!
April 24th, 2007 at 3:32 pmFrank Matthews,
You read the blog post right? Can you justify his flip flop with an intelligent argument?
April 24th, 2007 at 3:33 pm>b>3334 again
April 24th, 2007 at 3:33 pm…”We are entitled to ask — we are required to ask — how many more men, how many more lives, how much more destruction will be asked, to provide the military victory that is always just around the corner, to pour into this bottomless pit of our dreams?”
…”But this question the administration does not and cannot answer. It has no answer — none but the ever-expanding use of military force and the lives of our brave soldiers, in a conflict where military force has failed to solve anything in the past… It is long past time to ask: what is this war doing to us? Of course it is costing us money — fully one-fourth of our federal budget — but that is the smallest price we pay. The cost is in our young men…The cost is in our world position — in neutrals and allies alike, every day more baffled by and estranged from a policy they can not understand.”
-Robert F. Kennedy speaking against U.S. policy in Vietnam, March 1968
April 24th, 2007 at 3:34 pmJon Kyl wanted a specific date for withdrawing troops during the Clinton administration but now he doesn’t? How many more years senator, 2, 5, 10? You and your henchmen want an open ended war… no deal.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:34 pm#9 “Bosnia and Kosovo were not REAL wars.”
They were more real than this one which is based on a slew of lies..
Go sign up coward.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:35 pmBut that was because Clinton’s pecker was the cause of all evil and all wars. And besides, it’s ok if your a Republican.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:35 pmWhat’s the question, I’m reel dum, and stuff.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:36 pmBosnia and Kosovo were not REAL wars.
I think the 320 soldiers killed that were serving as part of UNPROFOR in Bosnia would disagree with that assessment…
April 24th, 2007 at 3:36 pmANKARA, Turkey - The United States and other world powers are willing to consider an Iranian proposal that would allow the country to keep some of its uranium enrichment program intact instead of dismantling it completely, foreign government officials said Tuesday.
well thats another turn for the books
April 24th, 2007 at 3:36 pmDemocrats and Liberal pundits have wanted to get back at Republicans for Republicans showing what an incredible flip-flop Kerry was.
The truth is this, whether you are a Democrat or a Republican, most, not all, but most politicians are huge, huge flip-flops.
so, will thinkprogress.org tell us now that ice is cold?
April 24th, 2007 at 3:38 pmJake“Frank Matthews” sez:Well, neither is our current campaign of imperialist aggression. Unless, of course, Congress declared war at some point and I missed it.
I’d ask you to research that, but I know you have your hands full with trying to find when Chimpy ordered the flags to half-staff in honor of Tillman’s death, so I’ll give you a pass on this one. ^_^
April 24th, 2007 at 3:38 pm#15 You’re an idiot. Everyone in Iraq wants us out. The Sunnis, the Shia, everyone. Everyone except the hacks inside the green zone.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:38 pmUh…duh…I’m reel dum. Look over there.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:39 pmOK, let’s talk about intellectual honesty.
Here is Harry Reid’s track record on the funding of the war: In less than six months time, Senator Reid has gone from pledging full funding for the military, then full funding with conditions, and then a cut-off of funding. Three positions in five months on the most important foreign policy question facing the nation and our troops. Yesterday, Senator Reid said the troop surge was against the recommendations of the Iraq Study group. That is plainly false. The Iraq study group report was explicitly favorable toward a troop surge to secure Baghdad. Senator Reid said there should be a regional conference on Iraq. Apparently he didn’t know that there is going to be one next week. Senator Reid said he doesn’t have real substantive meetings with the President. Yet immediately following last week’s meeting at the white house, he said it was a good exchange.
WTF?
April 24th, 2007 at 3:40 pmNo, they would not “disagree” Trekkie.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:40 pmBlue Jersey,
really, Kosovo was more of a real war than Iraq now?
do tell, how many people from Kosovo and Serbia were found in mass graves by the United States and NATO? you do know that this is the reason the USA and NATO went to war against Milosevic, right? to stop his human right abuses.
In Iraq Hussein was committing human right abuses equal to what Nazi Germany did. Is this not enough of a good reason to go to war against Hussein? It was when Clinton was in office, so what changed?
oh yeah, Bush got into office and we can’t have Democrats agreeing with Republicans, no, no, that can never happen.
so, let us get it straight Clinton, a Democrat starts a war with a country over its human right abuses. Most liberals say it is ok. Bush starts a war with a country over its human right abuses, Most liberals say it is not okay.
great, liberal racists, they love to free Europeans, but to hell with the Iraqis. The same reason why they want to pull troops from IRaq, but want to send troops to Darfur.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:43 pmthe problem is only 60% of the Turds want americans out and this can distort the overall figures of 81%
really its 96% sunnis was americans out
84% Shiites wants americans out
as long The Turds stay at 60%
the next biggest thing is Turkey will invade Turdistan to steal the Oil
April 24th, 2007 at 3:43 pmTP is mixing the proverbial apples and oranges.
The U.S. Bosnia in 1998-1999 were not involved in combat with enemy forces and not on “the battlefield.” They were engaged on a peace-keeping mission (SFOR). So any proposal to withdraw troops from Bosnia in 1999 cannot be likened to the current combat situation in Iraq.
Similarly, by May 2000, U.S. troops were not involved in combat with enemy forces and not “on the battlefield.” The U.S.-led NATO airstrikes had ended in June 1999. By 2000, the U.S./NATO troops on the ground in Kosovo were peacekeepers under UN auspices (KFOR). Again, the 2000 proposal to remove troops from peacekepping duties in Kosovo by 2001 cannot be likened to the current proposal to withdraw U.S. troops while in combat from Iraq.
The situations are not remotely similar.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:43 pmDumb fu*k. The house and senate have passed funding bills. Your illogical logic won’t work here.
You used to be smarter than this.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:44 pmShut up Kyle, you have no credibility as you have proven to be a lockstepper, boot-licker of the Bushy.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:44 pmWell, neither is our current campaign of imperialist aggression. Unless, of course, Congress declared war at some point and I missed it.
I’d ask you to research that, but I know you have your hands full with trying to find when Chimpy ordered the flags to half-staff in honor of Tillman’s death, so I’ll give you a pass on this one. ^_^
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — April 24, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
Oh my goodness, TripMaster Monkey is way too ignorant to give him any real credence.
where do you people live? in a sh…t. hole? wow!
April 24th, 2007 at 3:45 pmBosnia and Kosovo were hardly military operations. To compare withdrawing from there and withdrawing from Iraq is inaccurate. Poor job thinkprogress.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:45 pmThere are moments that i begin to think that some of these folks are completely clueless about how the internet/world wide web functions, and how it can be rather thoroughly searched. They make their pronouncements with an authority that can only come from their believing no one can find out what they said ten years ago.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:45 pmBwahahahahahahahaaaaa
…”get the job done”
define “done”, Bwahahahahhahahahahahh
dumb F’ers
April 24th, 2007 at 3:46 pmKyl the messenger.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:46 pmAs an Arizonan, let me apologize for this rubberstampin’ lockstepper. I still grapple over which one of our senators is worse between him and ‘Straight Talk My @$$’ McCain. At least with this talking-point parrot we can know what to expect from this chump, not that it makes it any easier to stomach. We had a chance to get rid of him last November but I guess too many people out here are still fooled by this crap.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:46 pmYou see the thing is
America was played by Iran , Iran kept you in Iraq till you were weak and vunerable and unable to attack Iran
Iran and the Iraqi have played in bed together while between them they took down America
well done Sistani great game …….you won
April 24th, 2007 at 3:46 pmDemocrats didn’t want to set timelines for our troops in Serbia, but they have no problem setting time lines for our troops in Iraq.
so thinkprogress.org, in pointing out to Jon Kyl’s hypocrisy, you have pointed out to your own hypocrasy and that of the Democratic Party.
good job!!!!
Comment by Valiantthehater — April 24, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
Nice try, VV, but the issue is not the withdrawal date — it’s the hypocritical rhetoric that Kyl and the Republicans use. Kyl said “the first time I know of — in the middle of a war — that a country just announces that on a specific date it’s walking off the battlefield.” Either he’s disngenuous or he’s got an even worse memort than the AG, as TP proves with quotes from eight years ago.
Given that he’s a Republican, I’d say that he’s probably disingenouous.
That is the issue.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:47 pmSo what Exley,
Show me a time when Kyl voted against the Bush admin. That says it all right there. The guy has no independent thought. He is spewing tired rhetoric and worn out talking points.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:47 pmMore lies from the hypocritical Reichwingnuts. The GOP is so dishonest and has failed so much, they will never regain a majority. Kyl is a worthless bigot.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:47 pmThe DSM says homosexuality is not a mental disorder.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:48 pmGreat quotes Larry.
You have a point Exley, Vietnam is much more comparable to Iraq than Bosnia.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:48 pmWhy didn’t the reporter with the hair bring up these two past examples where Kyl agreed with bringing troops home?
April 24th, 2007 at 3:48 pmThe CNN Producer of the morning show, books the guests, preps the questions, can’t they use ‘the Google’ to find out if their guests have voted on similar measures in the past? You know, so their anchor can ask follow up questions?
Oh wait. Only us folks in the blogesphere (some of whom are named ‘Vinny’) spend time researching issues to keep well informed. Never mind MSM - as you were.
GO JON KYL!!!!
Comment by Frank Matthews
Hi, Jake. *sigh*
April 24th, 2007 at 3:49 pm“Bush starts a war with a country over its human right abuses”
huh?
April 24th, 2007 at 3:50 pmHey Frank, your dad called. He wants his name back.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:50 pmIraqi sovereignty my fat spotted ass
April 24th, 2007 at 3:50 pmUsing the word “intellectual” anywhere around Kyl must make one dizzy.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:50 pmWill someone please inform Kyl that this is an “illegal war” based on pure lies?? Somehow he thinks that by equating it with WW2 where we were attacked, it will suddenly become “warranted and legal”. These reps are asleep at the wheel and Kyl is showing just how incompetent he is.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:52 pmwhere’s the Kucinich press conference for impeachment of Cheney? I cant find it anywhere
April 24th, 2007 at 3:52 pmZooey: You outed Frank too! Amazing how we can spot the faux jakes and jake-offs from a mile away, isn’t it?
April 24th, 2007 at 3:52 pmYes, we Americans are all about failing before we fail. I’m going to coin this sort of failure as “PRE-FAILING” or “POST-GIVINGADAM”…
April 24th, 2007 at 3:53 pmValiantthehater sez:
Well, Valiant…since you seem so concerned, perhaps you can pick up
Jake’sFrank’s slack:When exactly did Congress declare war? For bonus points, name the nation Congress declared war upon.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:54 pmFrank Matthews use of language and predictable content make clear that Jake is utilizing yet another moniker on these threads. Guess he was so shot down by everyone that he had to. Poor Jakie-poo/Frank Matthews/Firehead and a few others…..he’s so irrelevant and boring that I’ve even forgotten “the many faces of Jake”.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:54 pm#55 Yes, where is the headline on Kucinich’s call for Cheney’s impeachment?
Also, where is the headline about the new investigation by the Office of General Counsel into Karl Rove and his 6 years of debauchery, corruption, and amorality??
April 24th, 2007 at 3:55 pmIn years from now we will find that Iran outfoxed America
The plan of Divide and Conquer was played by Iran very well , They divided the population as for America to not know who the enemy was , Sacrafised all the nutters from Jails in bodies littering the streets with necks cut
Then pinned down America while Iran gets on with Uranium enrichment
America is so weak now , It has agreed to let Iran do some Uranium enrichment - - - because of a new willingness to examine possible ways of redefining an enrichment freeze,
http://news.yahoo.com/ s/ ap/ 20070424/ ap_on_re_mi_ea/ nuclear_iran;_ylt=AsxtE.yQgLms7XeT2.NKdhGs0NUE
well done Iran and Iraq you won - you outfoxed the great satan …… my hats off to you
April 24th, 2007 at 3:55 pmwhere’s the Kucinich press conference for impeachment of Cheney? I cant find it anywhere
Comment by old hack — April 24, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
Current Cheney vs. Kucinich situation
April 24th, 2007 at 3:56 pmhttp://www.nytimes.com/cq/2007/04/24/cq_2621.html
ForTruth,
I am not defending Kyl or vouching for him in anyway. He may have some votes against the Bush administration, but I really haven’t researched the question.
The point of my posting was to point out the examples cited by ThinkProgress as examples of Kyl’s supposed hypocrisy are not at all analogous to the current situation. Again, at the time Kyl supported the legislation to withdraw troops from Bosnia and Kosovo, the U.S. military was not engaged in combat with enemy forces and thus not “on the battlefield.”
As I said, “apples and oranges.”
I don’t know if ThinkProgress was unaware that combat operations had long been over in Bosnia and Kosovo by the time the withdrawal proposals it referenced were voted upon or if TP was trying to disingenuously trying to confuse the facts. I will give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they simply got their dates wrong.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:56 pm55. He delayed it due to Cheney’s doctor visit today. Stay of execution so to speak. Ironically, Cheney still fired off at Reid. He’s still the hired gun in town. Even with a bad ticker.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:56 pmKyl is a worthless bigot.
Comment by kasinca
A bigot?
April 24th, 2007 at 3:58 pmThe Republicans have hit the Mondale/Dan Rather 1984 point.
“The American public can’t possibly believe that! I don’t understand. I just don’t understand. We just need a better message, and a better messenger, and the press is against us.”
April 24th, 2007 at 3:58 pmKyl’s gonna be real sore he didn’t have a plan B to end terrorism. Who are these people that they can ram their foreign policy down our throats with their own private army and off-the-books record keeping?
April 24th, 2007 at 3:59 pm“where’s the Kucinich press conference for impeachment of Cheney? I cant find it anywhere
Comment by old hack — April 24, 2007 @ 3:52 pm”
It was postponed because of Cheney’s mysterious medical problem this morning…..
April 24th, 2007 at 4:00 pmEllison named fellow Representative Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) as “a good friend,” saying “we talk every day” during the week in Washington. With Kucinich reputedly poised to introduce Articles of Impeachment against Vice President Dick Cheney this week, Ellison was measured in his commitment to join Kucinich. He made clear that he was supportive of the idea, but not if it only becomes a symbolic gesture. Ellison is only interested in seeing impeachment proceedings actually becoming a reality.
Read the South Koren papers for news
CHENEY IMPEACHMENT IS GOING TO BE NOT ON THE MAINSTREAM NEWS
http://english.ohmynews.com/ ArticleView/ article_view.asp?menu=A11100&no=357526&rel_no=1&back_url=
April 24th, 2007 at 4:02 pmNext time Kucinich schedules the impeachment press conference, Chainee will have a ‘family emergency”…
April 24th, 2007 at 4:03 pmWhy are you waisting time debating the likes of F Matty, this is about the guys he for some reason keeps defending. Kyl really means we’re abandoning Haliburton. We’re letting all the worlds people down by participating in a VERY illegal and imoral war.
April 24th, 2007 at 4:04 pmhttp://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/21699
bookmark above link for latest news on impeaching cheney
they will update this page everyday usually
BUT YOUR MEDIA WILL NOT TELL YOU
April 24th, 2007 at 4:07 pmZooey: You outed Frank too! Amazing how we can spot the faux jakes and jake-offs from a mile away, isn’t it?
Comment by veritas
He’s very predictable. I wish we could just out him on each thread he comments on, and then ignore him. He thrives on the attention. His wife must be dating….
April 24th, 2007 at 4:07 pmWay to go Exley… you just confused the issue with facts. How do you expect people to bash you if you keep doing things like this?
April 24th, 2007 at 4:08 pmNo. 31 Comment by Valiantthehater — April 24, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
Hi, Valient by another name!
Did you know smoking is bad for your health? Cancer is a real possibility you know.
That said, I suggest you stop blowing all that smoke you do every day. It can kill you. Just what is it you smoke, I wonder? A pipe? Lots of smoke from those. Maybe cigars, Sure stinks like that when the “troll boiler room” shows up here. No, more like pot or some halucegen. Yeah, that fits better cause your writing fits that pattern. Total fantasy, full of illogical smoke and mirrors and stinky to boot.
April 24th, 2007 at 4:10 pmNo, I left him in 2000…..
April 24th, 2007 at 4:11 pmwhere do you people live? in a sh…t. hole? wow!
Comment by Valiantthehater — April 24, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
Ever since you moved to the double wide you have been all uppity VV.
Tell us why your handlers insisted all you trolls change your names. Obviously your inflated ego is preventing you from following the rules properly.
April 24th, 2007 at 4:13 pmOr are you hoping to get spanked later?
For Kyl, Love is a Battlefield.
April 24th, 2007 at 4:14 pmwhere’s the Kucinich press conference for impeachment of Cheney? I cant find it anywhere
Comment by old hack — April 24, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
Today there is a “prison riot” to preempt other issues. Easier to start a riot than to explain another shooting and it keeps the NRA happier.
April 24th, 2007 at 4:17 pmHere’s John McCain in his own words in the foreward to Halberstam’s “Best and the brightest” …
“One of the people who most needs to re-read The Best and the Brightest is John McCain. In particular, he needs to re-read his own introduction to the Modern Library edition:
For anyone who aspires to a position of national leadership, no matter the circumstances of his or her birth, this book should be mandatory reading. And anyone who feels a need, as a confused former prisoner of war once felt the need, for insights into how a great and good nation can lose a war and see its worthy purposes and principles destroyed by self-delusion can do no better than to read and reread David Halberstam’s The Best and the Brightest.”
So much for “shock and awe” or “stay the course” or “we’re turning the corner” or “we’re making progress.”
April 24th, 2007 at 4:25 pmIt’s a damn shame when the public finally sees thru the administration lies, exaggerations, and general bullshit.
Shrubbie to Rove
April 24th, 2007 at 4:31 pmTurd Blossom…get Rummy, Shooter Dick, and a few of them crazy preachers in a room…we need better lies to feed Fox News…anybody found another tin-pot dictator I can push around? I’m itchin’ to put on my codpiece and strut my stuff again!
Axil…and we are now occupying a country we invaded without valid justification and achieved the goal of deposing its ruler…so what the hell are we still doing there, in the middle of a civil war we have unleashed??? oh…i forgot, to bring them democracy..thats it…in exchange for all the oil we can steal?? No, we can’t lose sight of those “victory” goals… But i hate to tell you the u.s. has LOST and I am so fucking glad…LEAVE you bastards…go home…take all your invading troops home and stick them up your collective yanqui ass…
April 24th, 2007 at 4:32 pmAnd how many American were killed in the Balkans? Oh, that’s right, none!
April 24th, 2007 at 5:20 pmIsn’t Kyl about to be investigated for camping with pages?
April 24th, 2007 at 5:21 pmKyl is a snake of the first class.
April 24th, 2007 at 6:00 pmKyl Kamps with Kids.
April 24th, 2007 at 6:25 pmJon Kyl is the quintessential political douche. This illegal war is on the back burner to make room for the war on internet gambling - there’s no profit in the war for him. Good set of priorities there Jon.
April 24th, 2007 at 6:39 pmKyl is a worthless bigot.
Comment by kasinca
A bigot?
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
If you’re having trouble understanding the meaning of “bigot,” it’s because your moniker clearly proves that you are one, too, trolling=mental disorder.
April 24th, 2007 at 6:50 pmKyl says we would be walking off the battle field but there is no battle field. This is an insurgeny and a civil war. This is not a winnable situation for out military. There will never be surrender papers signed by the insurgents. This debacle will go on and on and on until congress gets the balls to cut off the funds. Enough is enough.
April 24th, 2007 at 7:16 pmEmail Jon…
…let him know…
…that WE know…
…he’s aLYING TRAITOR and HYPOCRITE…
…send Kyl your own personalized…
…CURSE…
April 24th, 2007 at 10:06 pmHaving been a former resident of AZ I can recall the days when Kyl made McCain look like a genius. Apparently this is no longer the case, only because McCain has been such a nignog of late. This is what happens when you blindly pull the Pub(e) lever without acquainting yourself with the issues. What an embarrassment these two must be. Too bad a good deal of Central AZ only cares about God and guns. Sadly, Tucson and Flagstaff are no match for Phoenix votes-wise.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:52 pmChubby Grannies Chubby Granny Masturbate Pussy Big Tit Chubby Grannys
I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view
April 3rd, 2008 at 8:15 am