Rep. Rohrabacher: ‘I Hope It’s Your Families That Suffer’ From A Terrorist Attack
Rep. Rohrabacher: ‘I Hope It’s Your Families That Suffer’ From A Terrorist Attack
Last week, a House Foreign Affairs subcommittee held a hearing on the Bush administration’s practice of extraordinary rendition, whereby hundreds of “terror suspects who had never been indicted for any crimes” have been abducted and flown to either secret agency prisons or to foreign countries such as Egypt or Syria where they are tortured.
Throughout the hearing, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) aggressively defended the U.S. rendition program and attacked the witnesses, three members of the European parliament, who testified that rendition actually hinders prosecutions of terrorists.
Rohrabacher told the witnesses that Nazi leader Adolf Eichmann would still be alive if they were in charge. He said the witnesses were free to doubt the motives of U.S. rendition since “I know there’s a lot of people who hate America.”
At one point, Rohrabacher argued that imprisoning and torturing one innocent person was a fair price to pay for locking up 50 terrorists who would “go out and plant a bomb…and kill 20,000 people.” When members of the audience groaned, Rohrabacher said, “Well, I hope it’s your families, I hope it’s your families that suffer the consequences.” Watch it:
One member of the audience was Army Col. Ann Wright, who served 13 years on active duty and 16 years in the U.S. Army Reserves. “After 16 years in the US diplomatic corps, she resigned in March 2003 in opposition to the war on Iraq.” Wright rose to protest Rohrabacher’s remarks but was quickly removed from the hearing room. You can read her account of the experience HERE.
Transcript:
ROHRABACHER: After 9/11, we established different operations because we needed to do it, because we knew at that time there were people who were willing to kill tens of thousands of other human beings because they hate our way of life. Now, we’re only talking about the question at hand — we’ve looked at your report — we’re talking about a minuscule number of people here as compared to the number of people who are being protected. And does that mean — and of the minuscule number of people, 100, 200 people who are being held in this way, how many of those have been mistreated? How many of those have actually suffered the type of unfair treatment because they themselves really aren’t members of al Qaeda and they were just, their name was mistaken. For example, I know in one or two cases you have a man whose name was exactly the same name as a Muslim that was involved in al Qaeda. To the degree there are a few of those cases, we should do our best to make sure those cases don’t exist, try to find a system to root them out.
But, here’s the other shoe dropping, we are at war, and we’ve got to make sure that we do not let go 50 terrorists who will go out and plant a bomb in London and kill 20,000 people in order to protect that one person who we arrested accidentally because his name was the same. That’s the type of unfortunate consequence.
[Audience groans.]
Well, I hope it’s your families, I hope it’s your families that suffer the consequences. Mr. Chairman, I will be very happy to talk to everybody afterwards if you want to talk to me, but in terms of the hearing, I’d like to make my points without having it animated. One person — if we let, if in order to protect the rights of one or two people, or five people or ten people, who are mistakenly abducted because their names were the same or because they went to a mosque that they didn’t know this thing was going on in the back room, if 10 of those people suffer those consequences, but in order for us to take 90 other people off the street who are intent and involved in plans that would slaughter tens of thousands of our citizens, I’m afraid that’s the price we pay in a real world. And the United States, we’re not ghouls. We’re not, we don’t, we’re not, we don’t want to torture somebody because he has a bad name. We want to get information from somebody that we think might want to kill our children and kill your children. And if you doubt our motives, you’re welcome to, I know there’s a lot of people who hate America, but when the pressure’s on, quite frankly, we have known all along that at times America has to go it alone, and people will try to find fault with us rather than trying to at least understand our morality.
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I just Love those “c”hristian values that the Republicans adore!
How about they start throwing stones while they’re at it?
April 24th, 2007 at 10:35 amRorbacher,
April 24th, 2007 at 10:36 amA lot of people Hate Neocons, not Americans.
Say “Goodnight,” Dana. Your career is over.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:38 amThat is the face and voice of the modern republican party. If the DNC isn’t turning this into commercials right now they deserve to lose elections.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:39 amYou know….. More and more everyday I am REALLY hatting the Republican party!
I hate what they stand for and what they have done to my ONCE great nation.
I would love to see them in a position that they are more than willing to put other people in.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:39 amGood job! Embarrass the U.S. just a little bit more Rohrabacher!
April 24th, 2007 at 10:40 amwow. All his argumentive points parallel the trolls here.
Huh. Rorbacher=firehead, p’haps?
I hope one innocent member of Rorbacher’s family is painfully tortured for an extreme long amount of time, so that it prevents another illegal invasion and occupation.
(see how pathetically absurd that sounds)
April 24th, 2007 at 10:41 amShouldn’t Rep Rohrabacher be reprimanded my Congress for advocating the violation of the Constitution? He is sworn to uphold it, isn’t he? Or did he have his fingers crossed?
Even the Pentagon has said watching “24″ is having a bad influence on troop behavior. I guess it’s also brainwashing Congressmen.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:45 amAnyone supporting this practice should be willing to be subject to a week of rendition including torture to gain additional insight into the reality of what is being supported. I bet the value of “one innocent victim” would become more of an issue!
April 24th, 2007 at 10:45 amShame on America . violence only breeds more violence
April 24th, 2007 at 10:47 amI Hope It’s Your Families That Suffer’ From A Terrorist Attack
WE ARE ALREADY SUFFERING BECAUSE OF YOUR ACTIONS YOU PLEB
April 24th, 2007 at 10:48 amThank you, TP, for publicizing this. Since the mainstream media will not report it, it is up to the net to spread this around.
Such despicable behavior should be shown to every one of his constituents.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:48 amJust when I think these people can’t sink any lower, something like this happens. I honestly believed nothing these right-wing hacks say could shock me anymore. This man, sadly, has done just that.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:49 amRohrabacher was a monsterous fool during his questioning, filled with threats of harm to our long time European allies. Psychosis and retardation are a deadly combination.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:49 amInteresting how the republicans rail against Syria and how evil they are, yet Syria is gracious enough to allow us to maintain a prison there. I remember when the Iranian president was pushing for a debate with President Bush, how he kept demanding that the debate be live and uncensored. I wonder how many prisons we have in Iran.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:49 amSomewhere in the U.S., police are looking for a white haired, caucasian man of Rep. Dana Rohrabacher’s age as a suspect in a sexual assault on a child. We should arrest Mr. Rohrabacher and hold him until we have definite proof that he is not the perpetrator. We may have to hold Mr. Rohrabacher and ten of his similar-type friends in order to insure the safety of other children who are in danger of a repeat sexual offense such as that which has already occurred.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:50 amCalifornia Democrats! Take that footage and crucify that SON OF A B!TCH at every opportunity! See to it that he is never again handed the reigns of power over so much as a Little League baseball team!
April 24th, 2007 at 10:51 amAnn Wright is a true American hero. It is people like her that represent true American values. This brave woman sacrificed her career because of her opposition to this horrible “war” and then she has the guts to speak the truth to that PIG Rohrbacher.
We lose brave people in government service because of the Republican cowards who only care that a “terrorist” might find them.
Rohrbacher saying I hope they find you and your families is echoing the Republican mantra. The same one our nasty, wimpy trolls use here.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:51 amI’m sure that there will be trolls complaining about Dems not supporting the torture of terrorists. Trolls, please direct your comments to Navy veteran, Donald Vance. Thank you.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:51 amIt appears to me that Rohrabacher is the real terrorist.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:52 amHey Rohrabacher, your son looks kinda like a tear-rist to me, I’m calling homeland security! Want to talk to him? Tuff shite! Wait til he gets back from Syria…if he comes back..
In fact, Dana’s whole family looks kinda like tear-rists! Lock ‘em up!! Protect the homeland!!
April 24th, 2007 at 10:52 amWell, his comment was pretty disgusting. Republicans only care about themselves. Speak against the war, president, or what they do, you’re not an American. These people don’t care about us. They want us to die.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:52 amDana’s taken one too many surfboards to his noggin.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:53 amIt’s funny to watch Republicans continue to deploy this deplorable nonsense, seemingly unaware that nobody’s buying it anymore.
Four years ago, most of the audience would have stood up and cheered when he said that. The groans must have come as quite a shock to him.
Hee hee hee - the still think they matter. Keep it up, Dana. I hope the RNC puts you on their mailers.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:55 amWhat a f*cking retard. Republican leaders these days are just downright stupid, as by extension are their blind supporters.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:55 amThis man did not serve his country in the military. Why should he have a platform on rendition?
April 24th, 2007 at 10:56 amFear, they have been fed a steady diet of fear mongering for the last 6 years. I do hope the light stays shining on this.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:58 amI’m with you Dana! In addition to the terrorists, we should also lock up the queers, dissenters, subordinates, minorities, and the homeless, only then will the nation truely be secure.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:58 amI wonder just how many volts to his testicles it would take him to repudiate his republican ideas , would the site of his 9 year old child being raped by the CIA change his mind, how would he feel if he were made to give Cheney a BJ at Abu Ghraib on Camera
EVERY BODY SHOULD WATCH Mark of Cain [2007] by Matthew McNulty and see what you think then
April 24th, 2007 at 10:59 amYep, repuke christian values at their best, these scum sucking sick f**ks are the worst subhumans that have ever existed.
The world hates them for their values…..Repuke = bad
Makes it obvious why liberals are what we are….
We believe in equal rights for ALL americans.
They believe that they are more equal than others
We believe ALL amercians should stick together and help each other
They believe that if they have theirs, screw the rest of you
We believe war is an absolutly the last option
They believe war is the first option, because they profit from it
Well, this list would be too long to type this morning, but you get the drift.
That is why we must marginalize these sick subhumans in todays political discourse.
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily
April 24th, 2007 at 11:00 amI wonder just how many volts to his testicles it would take him to repudiate his republican ideas , would the site of his 9 year old child being raped by the CIA change his mind, how would he feel if he were made to give Cheney a BJ at Abu Ghraib on Camera
Comment by Tobey Tall — April 24, 2007 @ 10:59 am
I think we should try this out on Jake first and make sure we have the technique perfected before we try in on Rohrabacher.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:03 amIn addition to the terrorists, we should also lock up the queers, dissenters, subordinates, minorities, and the homeless, only then will the nation truely be secure. - - How Hitleresque of you, Jakie.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:04 am“Well, I hope it’s your families, I hope it’s your families that suffer the consequences. “??
That people, IMO, is a serious Piece of S___. I Almost wish he was my Rep so I could make sure to point to vote against him.
Lock up the Few to make the many feel “Safe”? He’d make Stalin proud…
April 24th, 2007 at 11:04 amDana, anyone who’s dared disagree w/ the Busch Admin has suffered a terrorist attack already.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:05 amTypical nonsensical propaganda.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:06 amHe said that it’s ok to take 10 innocent people & torture them in order to keep 90 terrorists off the streets. So he’s willing to accept a 10% error rate. I’m just guessing but I’ll bet he’ll accept the same error rate with U.S. capital punishment as well. It’s amazing. Not just that they feel this way but that they’re willing to publicly make those statements.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:08 amThere’s this rule to live by…it’s pretty good…how’s that go?…some liberal guy was talking about it a couple thousand years ago it’s so good…let’s see…how did that go…it’s so good it’s golden….gee I just can’t remember….
April 24th, 2007 at 11:09 amI think we should try this out on Jake first and make sure we have the technique perfected before we try in on Rohrabacher.
Comment by Shane
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Come on, we’re progressives! We can do things at once. We do require perfection. Jake and Robrabacher to the chamber!
April 24th, 2007 at 11:10 amJake! do I detect a bit of snarkiness from you my friend??
:)
April 24th, 2007 at 11:11 amGo easy on Jake. If it weren’t for this site he just might go postal. All that stupidity kept inside would build up until the sorry slug blew up. Jake can’t make the connection that what he’s asking for goes directly against what this country stands for. His spittle for Dana proves that.
For the record, I don’t wish terrorists attack any family.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:12 amAhh, classic American paranoia and narcissism… not to mention the Bushie mentality trickling down to his underlings, who all want to be the lone Texas ranger facing a sea of europeans, libertines and terrorists like a man. Except it’s not working anymore.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:12 amI’m emailing my reps to demand they condemn this clowns words.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:14 amIt is sad that this debate has turned political. We should be focusing on the science of torture. It is proven that it doesn’t work. We need new policies. We need policies that allow our special forces to makes decisions in the field about the terrorists they catch. When they feel a target is of little value they need to right kill them were they stand. This will limit the cost to the American tax payer and will reduce the political BS wrapped around detaining terrorists. Our government has to deal with the extremes. In this case, the extreme is the group of people that are fighting our government on behalf of the terrorists looking to provide them “rights”. Since they are slowing our progress down, we need to change up. Unless the terrorist is of extremely high importance with a chance to actually provide us valid intel without being tortured, we need to provide them with death on the spot. This will reduce a huge burden on tax payers. Every day we need to fork over more money for the well being of terrorists that only wish us harm. It is time to accept we can’t detain them with any reasonable chance of getting intel. With that said, we need to execute them in the field. At least we won’t have to have a discussion about terrorist rights. Dead terrorists that were not tortured should make every American happy (unless you don’t like America and prefer the terrorists).
April 24th, 2007 at 11:16 amYou know I support the actions of the protestors, but could they not have thought to leave their coats at home? It’s a little ridiculous to have one poor schmuck left behind to collect the personal belongings. Don’t go into combat with spare change in your pocket.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:16 amWhich defense contractor has Rohrbacher on the take?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:16 amMaybe it’s Gulfstream, the makers of those fancy jets with the rings on the floor in the cargo hold…
I hope it’s your family, Rohrabacher, that gets dragged away and imprisoned for years without charges, and tortured until they confess to something they know absolutely nothing about. I hope they go insane from living in a small cell and never having any hope of speaking to loved ones or being freed.
Actually, that’s not true. I don’t wish that upon your family, Rohrabacher. Just you. Goddam fascist.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:18 am“I’m with you Dana! In addition to the terrorists, we should also lock up the queers, dissenters, subordinates, minorities, and the homeless, only then will the nation truely be secure.”
The nation? Don’t you mean the Fatherland, Jake?
And how would you continue to embarrass yourself online from behind bars?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:18 amSorry, forgot about the Jews. Them too.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:19 amdana seems a bit defensive. which is strange considering he had extensive contacts with the taliban previous to 9/11.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:20 amYou’re a sick puppy, Roger x2.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:20 amMy goodness, Roger_Roger, you’re one sick F*#k. No doubt you live in your mother’s basement and huff twinkies all day while dreaming your eliminationist fantasies.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:21 am#
Comment by Roger_Roger — April 24, 2007 @ 11:16 am
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86% of Guantanamo detainees were captured by Pakistan. Many have been held for years only to be released with an “OOPS!” Donald Vance can explain more about that. The youngest prisoner at Gitmo was 14 when captured and 18 when released. Do you honestly believe that we should be working with the Syrian government to torture people that Pakistan says are terrorists? Osama is laughing his a$$ off at you right now.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:23 amRoger_Roger:
That was the most sincere post since the Editiorial of the Wall Street Journal. Stalin is alive within you.
BTW, I think this Jake is being ironic.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:23 amAny chance that Jake and Roger_Roger are the same person?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:24 amWas Rohrbacher tied up in the Unocal pipeline across Afghanistan deal?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:25 amIf so, this explains a lot………..
Rohrabacher is a simple-minded, talking-points-spewing, fascist f*ckstick.
He is a far greater danger to our democratic system than any of the “enemy combatants” we have extraordinarily rendered.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:25 amThis happens to be WHY we must protect and preserve the 2nd Amendment. He is attempting to draw a similarity between Japanese/Americans of WW2 to Mid-Eastern/Americans of today. Even though Japanese/Americans were held in camps around the US they were not flown to other nations and tortured.
Not to get stuck on a point (it is no small point), the entire Constitution has been muted by the Patriot Act and while I do understand that war-time is different than peace-time, the idea that OUR OWN PEOPLE are torturing other humans depicts that we as a nation have sunk to the bottom. It does not matter what political party you are a member of, torture is nothing more than another step taken into fascism.
Rohrabacher says that, “were talking about a miniscule number of people here compared to the number of people that are being protected” later on we will not even be able to talk about it if the Constitution falls. Rohrabacher is the sort of carpetbagger that needs to be tarred and feathered post haste directly in front of that building. Sorry about that folks but if we don’t rally around the Constitution pretty soon then it is only a matter of time before we wind up being subversives according to the carpetbaggers…
April 24th, 2007 at 11:26 amFine example of a Terror Whore.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:27 amWhere’s the outrage on this idiot for wishing harm on others?
He can say that yet Harry Reid gets pounced on for speaking truthfully about the Iraq debacle? WTF!!!
April 24th, 2007 at 11:27 amI dunno, Juan C, ‘jake’ usually can’t put more than 2 sentences together……..
April 24th, 2007 at 11:27 am“In the November/December 1996 issue of Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, Rohrabacher was reported as saying that the Taliban were not terrorists or revolutionaries, that they would develop a disciplined society that would leave no room for terrorists, and that the Taliban posed no threat to the United States.”
April 24th, 2007 at 11:29 am“the entire Constitution has been muted by the Patriot Act”"
It hasn’t been muted, it’s been castrated.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:29 amI don’t know why the trolls would be defending torture? Didn’t Bush clearly state “We don’t torture”? Surely, he didn’t lie?
“The fluorescent lights in his cell were never turned off, he said. At most hours, heavy metal or country music blared in the corridor. He said he was rousted at random times without explanation and made to stand in his cell. Even lying down, he said, he was kept from covering his face to block out the light, noise and cold. And when he was released after 97 days he was exhausted, depressed and scared.
Detainee 200343 was among thousands of people who have been held and released by the American military in Iraq, and his account of his ordeal has provided one of the few detailed views of the Pentagon’s detention operations since the abuse scandals at Abu Ghraib. Yet in many respects his case is unusual.
The detainee was Donald Vance, a 29-year-old Navy veteran from Chicago who went to Iraq as a security contractor.”
April 24th, 2007 at 11:29 amWhat no one has mentioned is the courage of Ann Wright, who spoke out against Rohrabacher’s asinine comments and was escorted out of the room because she dared to protest the words of this McCarthy-like congressman from California.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:30 amdana@mail.house.gov
Remember that rude and abusive e-mails will likely be ignored outright.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:30 amFascist America, in 10 easy steps
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html
From Hitler to Pinochet and beyond, history shows there are certain steps that any would-be dictator must take to destroy constitutional freedoms. And, argues Naomi Wolf, George Bush and his administration seem to be taking them all
1 Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
2 Create a gulag
3 Develop a thug caste
4 Set up an internal surveillance system
5 Harass citizens’ groups
6 Engage in arbitrary detention and release
7 Target key individuals
8 Control the press
9 Dissent equals treason
10 Suspend the rule of law
read the article Bush has done all these ,hes almost a despicable dictator
April 24th, 2007 at 11:33 amRep. Rohrabacher is a major freaking asshat. This is the republitard mindset: “I hope it’s your families that suffer…”
Where it the “compassionate conservatism” in that statement?
… and they wonder why they’re losing grips with the electorate.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:36 amIsn’t Ann Wright the retired colonel who kicked o’liely’s ass so bad he had to cut her mic?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:37 amAny Democrat who stayed quiet and in the room should be embarrassed. You either speak out or you walk out on such irrresponsible talk. It must be made clear that such crude behavior is unacceptable. Not just by protesters in the crowd. What was the response from others in the committee?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:42 amWHY WON”T THEY UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!!
HYSTERICS SOLVES EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 24th, 2007 at 11:43 am“Rohrabacher had a history of involvement in Afghanistan dating back to the Cold War, when he openly supported the groups that were fighting troops from the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. In late 1988, Rohrabacher went to Afghanistan:
‘After I left the White House and was elected to Congress, but before I was sworn into Congress, I knew I had that two months between November and January to do things that I could never do once I was elected to Congress. I chose to hike into Afghanistan as part of a small Mujahedin unit and to engage in a battle against the Russian and communist forces near and around the city of Jalalabad.’”
April 24th, 2007 at 11:44 amI think we should let all terrorists go, who cares if they strike again we need to be nice to everybody.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:45 am…we need to provide them with death on the spot.
I just read on a recruirment site that if you sign up now, you could get the job. Hurry Roger, before someone else beats you to it.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:45 amFor the record, I don’t wish terrorists attack any family.
Comment by hellinabucket — April 24, 2007 @ 11:12 am
Geez, not even Rohrabachers? Party pooper.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:46 amIsn’t Ann Wright the retired colonel who kicked o’liely’s ass so bad he had to cut her mic?
Comment by Klyde
I remember that, she kept changing the subject when OReilly would ask a question. She was inable to discuss the topic at hand so she had to bring say how bad America is, when Iran had hostages-that weren’t even American. Not exactly kicking his ass.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:47 amlockstep or suffer the consequences- where are we going ?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:47 amDead terrorists that were not tortured should make every American happy (unless you don’t like America and prefer the terrorists).
Comment by Roger_Roger — April 24, 2007 @ 11:16 am
There’s a good article for you to read on Thinkfast #35 about fascism. Since you’re such a big proponent of fascism it will probably give you some tips.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:49 amAmericans better start looking at people like you because you are the ones threatening our country as we’ve known it.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
you had me at “hand so she had to bring say how bad America”
April 24th, 2007 at 11:52 am“I think we should let all terrorists go, who cares if they strike again we need to be nice to everybody.”
Gee, “liberalism=mental disorder”, I guess you must be a proud disciple of that valient Uber-patriot, Dr Weiner, the self-proclaimed head of the Weiner Nation. You do know what the head of the weiner is, don’t you?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:56 amWhat no one has mentioned is the courage of Ann Wright, who spoke out against Rohrabacher’s asinine comments and was escorted out of the room because she dared to protest the words of this McCarthy-like congressman from California.
Comment by Erroll — April 24, 2007 @ 11:30 am
I did in #18. A true American hero.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:56 am#72 read #52
April 24th, 2007 at 11:57 amyou had me at “hand so she had to bring say how bad Americaâ€
Comment by pgw
Thank you for pointing out my typing error. What I mean to say was “at hand so she had to say how bad America is”. Again thank you!
April 24th, 2007 at 11:57 amWRIGHT: “I want to make sure the United States treats people properly..”
O’REILLY: “Sure you do. Sure you do.”
WRIGHT: “I surely do. That’s what I spent 29 years of my life trying to do.”
O’REILLY: “Sorry. No you didn’t. You know what happened to you…somewhere along the line you started to dislike your own country….”
WRIGHT: “I served 29 years. How many did you serve? Where did you teach the Geneva Conventions?”
O’REILLY: “Cut her mic.”
April 24th, 2007 at 12:01 pmhttp://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2007/ 04/ 02/ why-does-bill-oreilly-hate-our-troops-and-american-values/
She was inable to discuss the topic at hand so she had to bring say how bad America is, when Iran had hostages-that weren’t even American
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder(IHL,moonbatpatrol) — April 24, 2007 @ 11:47 am
You know, sentence structure and punctuation is a good thing, as well as a certain amount of grammar.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:01 pmEliminating run on sentences, and spelling correctly would certaintly help your, um, your…..your, um
do you actually have a point?
who cares if they strike again we need to be nice to everybody.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
You just described what Bush thinks about OBL.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:02 pm“Thank you for pointing out my typing error.”
any time, pal.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:02 pmlike now. here it is again: “bring say how badâ€
It is baffling how folks on this site take my post that was clearly against torture and somehow say I was defending torture. I 100% agree it doesn’t work which is why we shouldn’t do it. If it did work, we wouldn’t be having this discussion as every sane person would agree that it would then be a neccessary evil. Since it doesn’t work, we need to stop. Is that clear enough for you? With that said, what is the reason for detaining terrorists? If we can’t get valid intel out of them, they are simply a burden for the US tax payer. I, along with most Americans, have no interest in housing and paying for terrorists. If they have no value to us, which they don’t, why not simply execute them in the field instead of pay to house and care for them for years? We can’t simply release them as they will resort right back to killing Americans which no one wants (other then terrorists and those that hate America). I am simply looking at this from a logical standpoint. They have no value, we Americans don’t want to pay for their well being since they have no value to us, and we can’t let them go as they will go kill more Americans. We have no other valid choice.
We are fighting a war afterall against people that wish America harm and have no problem killing us. Why are we even having a discussion about whether we want them dead? I would think that everyone wants terrorists dead other then people that are actually for the terrorists.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:04 pmShe was inable to discuss the topic at hand so she had to bring say how bad America is, when Iran had hostages-that weren’t even American. Not exactly kicking his ass.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
Are you talking about the Iranian hostage crisis? Did you not know that Americans were held hostage in Iran? What institution have you been, to be so removed from reality?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:04 pm“who cares if they strike again we need to be nice to everybody.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder”
you mean like the way rohrabacher was to the taliban and bush is to the saudis?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:06 pm#72 read #52
Comment by Chris L
Unfortunately we cannot determine how many thousands of people are now alive that would be dead if this program did not exist. Maybe we should let them all go and then after they blow up a building or two we can quantify.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:06 pmRep. Rohrabacher must be forced to resign from the Congress in shame!
April 24th, 2007 at 12:06 pmThe transcript is incorrect for the Rohrabacher comments. The transcript note that the audience groans, to which Rohrabacher responds with the “I hope it’s your family” comment.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:07 pmIn fact, he makes the “I hope it’s your family” comment BEFORE the audience groans. The groan is in response to his really awful statement, not the cause of it. I believe it’s worse that he said it without being directly provoked.
-David
He wins the official Bushie t-shirt. The one that says “I’m with Stupid” and has no arrow.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:07 pmWe are fighting a war afterall against people that wish America harm and have no problem killing us.
Comment by Roger_Roger the Debate_Dodger — April 24, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
Well, if it’s that easy, please define, in detail, “the enemy”.
How does our military identify “the enemy”, and engage?
Pretty simple, actually.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:09 pmTake your time in not responding
WRIGHT: “I want to make sure the United States treats people properly..â€
O’REILLY: “Sure you do. Sure you do.â€
WRIGHT: “I surely do. That’s what I spent 29 years of my life trying to do.â€
O’REILLY: “Sorry. No you didn’t. You know what happened to you…somewhere along the line you started to dislike your own country….â€
WRIGHT: “I served 29 years. How many did you serve? Where did you teach the Geneva Conventions?â€
O’REILLY: “Cut her mic.â€
http://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2007/ 04/ 02/ why-does-bill-oreilly-hate-our-troops-and-american-values/
Comment by Chris L
Why did you leave out the part where he asks her if Iran is breaking the Geneva convention and she does not answer? The interview was about the Iran hostages and she knew that before, she wanted to change it. Maybe if she had a show she could pick the topics.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:10 pmRoger, listen to the video on this link. Rep. Rohrabacher says that it’s ok to illegally detain & torture 10% of the prisoners they capture. You stand up & say you disagree, torture is bad. Therefore your solution is to kill these prisoners rather then detain/torture them. The % of innocent people captured (or in this case killed) stays the same. You’re just in favor of killing innocents rather then torturing them. You want a medal for that?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:10 pmi don’t think that is the real Jake…
April 24th, 2007 at 12:10 pmShane at #80
My apologies for not having seen your laudatory comments regarding Ms. Wright. I heard her speak at the Veterans for Peace convention last year in Seattle and she is, as you point out, a true American heroine. What this country needs are more people like Ann Wright who are not afraid of challenging the establishment.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:10 pm“Unfortunately we cannot determine how many thousands of people are now alive that would be dead if this program did not exist.”
Now there’s a cop-out.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:11 pmUnfortunately we cannot determine how many thousands of people are now alive that would be dead if this program did not exist
Comment by liberalism=giving me a mental disorder — April 24, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
Okay, this may well be…the…dumbest…post…EVER!
April 24th, 2007 at 12:12 pmYa know, going back to school to get your GED is not always a bad thing!
“Unfortunately we cannot determine how many thousands of people are now alive that would be dead if this program did not exist. Maybe we should let them all go and then after they blow up a building or two we can quantify.”
hey, i was talking to a friend about hypotheticals and false choices! what a coincidence!
April 24th, 2007 at 12:13 pmyou mean like the way rohrabacher was to the taliban and bush is to the saudis?
Comment by pgw
Do you have any proof to back up your claim on Rohrabacher?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:13 pmRoger_Roger, what happens if someone decides you have no value?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:14 pmpgw — which way was Rohrabacher to the Taliban? Assuming your quote above is from the following web site, why not include the rest of section 5.2?
“In the November/December 1996 issue of Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, Rohrabacher was reported as saying that the Taliban were not terrorists or revolutionaries, that they would develop a disciplined society that would leave no room for terrorists, and that the Taliban posed no threat to the United States.
However, in a September 11, 1998 editorial in the The Washington Post, Rohrabacher strongly rebuked the Taliban for providing refuge to Osama bin Laden, mass killings of Shi’ites and ethnic Uzbeks, Turks, and Tajiks, and restrictions on the rights of Afghan women and children:
It has been no secret that bin Laden has been sheltered by the Taliban. The Clinton administration was mute while one of the most violent anti-Western Muslim sects spilled into Afghanistan from their Pakistan-based “religious schools” and took control of the capital. We remained paralyzed while they moved to destroy moderate Muslim forces. While administration officials expressed concern of the Taliban’s complete denial of rights for women, it was little more than lip service. Even modest support from the United States for moderate Muslim forces in Afghanistan and serious political pressure on Pakistan could have thwarted the takeover of this strategically important country by these militant extremists. The danger of the spread of fanaticism expressed by the newly independent republics of Central Asia was smugly ignored.
During the summer of 2001, Rohrabacher made a trip to Qatar that was paid for by the Islamic Institute and the Government of Qatar, according to Rohrabacher’s financial disclosure forms. While in Qatar, Rohrabacher, Grover Norquist, and Khaled Saffuri met with Taliban Foreign Minister Mullah Wakil Ahmed Muttawakil. Wakil reportedly asked for help in increasing the amount of foreign aid sent by the United States to Afghanistan, apparently in exchange for U.S. oil company UNOCAL being allowed to construct of an oil pipeline through Afghanistan. If Rohrabacher was conducting diplomacy, he was in violation of the Logan Act, which prohibits citizens from doing so if not in an official capacity. Rohrabacher told wire service reporters who were present in Doha, Qatar at the time that he had discussed a “peace plan†with the Taliban. But Norquist, a close associate of Rohrabacher, said that the meeting happened accidentally and that it included Rohrabacher yelling at them about blowing up the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan.
The Taliban later announced in Kabul that it had rejected what it considered were unreasonable demands by the U.S. side. Rohrabacher’s staff would not answer questions about the Taliban talks.
After the September 11, 2001 attacks, Rohrabacher claimed that the attacks were due to incompetence on the part of the Clinton administration.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Dana_Rohrabacher#Involvement_with_Afghanistan_and_the_Taliban
April 24th, 2007 at 12:14 pmNow there’s a cop-out.
Comment by Barfly
How is that a cop-out? The program is there to stop attacks. If it didn’t then there would be more.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:14 pmDid this guy make Olbermann’s “Worst Person in the World” segment?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:15 pmUnfortunately we cannot determine how many thousands of people are now alive that would be dead if this program did not exist
Comment by liberalism=giving me a mental disorder — April 24, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
Ha ha ha ha!!! Dumbest post ever!!!
April 24th, 2007 at 12:16 pmHey mental midget:
Absence of proof (which is what you have) DOES NOT EQUAL proof of absence (which is what you are claiming)
April 24th, 2007 at 12:18 pmHa ha ha ha!!! Dumbest post ever!!!
Comment by Juan C
The program works, perhaps you are alive because of it. But then again you can’t realize that, which is why liberalism is a mental disorder.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:19 pmHow is that a cop-out? The program is there to stop attacks. If it didn’t then there would be more.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorde
because we know that “the terrorists” plan many years in advance. It’s a cop out because you don’t know if the reason we haven’t been attacked is this program, or Al Quaida’s habit of planning many years in advance. Is that clear?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:20 pmThe program works, perhaps you are alive because of it. But then again you can’t realize that, which is why liberalism is a mental disorder.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
Circular logic. Try again.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:21 pmhey mental midget - isn’t there a 15 minute time limit on the junior high library computers?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:22 pmComment by liberalism=mental disorder
Juan’s not an American. Your shoot-from-the-hip assertions show who really has the mental disorder.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:23 pmWell, not actually circular; it wobbles a bit.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:24 pmIf it didn’t then there would be more.
Comment by liberalism is causing my mental disorder — April 24, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
Since you so enjoy debating (pfft!) in hypotheticals, I got one for you:
9/11 would never have happened if the true President, Al Gore, hadn’t conceded to the Supreme Court.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:24 pmbut had it occurred, President Gore, with the backing of 98 % of the world, would have utilized his military efficiently to capture OBL, thus decreasing worldwide terrorism, and having a positive effect on our economy and jobs, and the issue of torture would be non existent.
Oh, and 3300 soldiers (and 600,000 Iraqis) would be alive today, and with there families!
Circular logic. Try again.
Comment by Barfly
Watch this video of award winning journalist Brian Ross-torture works and Gitmo works.
http://hotair.com/ archives/ 2006/ 09/ 20/ bombshell-abc-independently-confirms-success-of-cia-torture-tactics/
April 24th, 2007 at 12:26 pmI am the Architect. I created the Program. I’ve been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:26 pmJuan’s not an American. Your shoot-from-the-hip assertions show who really has the mental disorder.
Comment by Barfly
Does a liberal have to be an American? Are Americans the only ones that can be attacked by these terrorists? Your shoot from the hip logic fails a little.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:27 pmPerhaps 9/11 would have happened on 9/12.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:28 pmWell, not actually circular; it wobbles a bit.
Comment by Barfly
Lets see if this circular-if the people that plan and act out terrorist attacks are behind bars can they act out and plan terrorist attacks? Pretty simple-but it all adds to the mental disorder.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:28 pmAnd it is written and said often in some places, everything you say and do come’s back to you three fold……Safe to say this man along with the roger 2’s , jake’s, patrick’s michaels, M.A., burnt brain fire head and all the troll’s will be in a world of hurt at some point and the rest of us can just sit back and watch……To wish bad on any one will return to them 3X’s…So mote it be….Blessings
April 24th, 2007 at 12:29 pmThe logic is right out of the Simpsons…
Lisa: By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:29 pmHomer: Hmm. How does it work?
Lisa: It doesn’t work; it’s just a stupid rock!
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don’t see any tigers around, do you?
Homer: (pause) Lisa, I want to buy your rock.
here’s one with a picture of ‘outback dana’:
http://www.ocweekly.com/ features/ features/ rogue-statesman/ 21591/
April 24th, 2007 at 12:30 pmComment by liberalism=mental disorder
You were talking about an American congressperson’s remarks in Congress. Now, suddenly, your remarks encompass the entire free world?
Right.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:30 pmAs I was saying, shane stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly ninety-nine percent of the test subjects accepted the Program provided they were given a choice — even if they were only aware of it at a near-unconscious level. While this solution worked, it was fundamentally flawed, creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that, if left unchecked, might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those who refused the Program, while a minority, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:32 pm“if the people that plan and act out terrorist attacks are behind bars can they act out and plan terrorist attacks? Pretty simple-but it all adds to the mental disorder.”
No, but the friends and relatives of innocent people taken, can. This tactic breeds more terrorists, silly.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:32 pmpgw — which way was Rohrabacher to the Taliban? Assuming your quote above is from the following web site, why not include the rest of section 5.2?
Comment by Jimmy Wales — April 24, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
If that quote was regarding a Democrat you probably would have responded with “Flip-Flop”.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:32 pmLisa: By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
Homer: Hmm. How does it work?
Lisa: It doesn’t work; it’s just a stupid rock!
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don’t see any tigers around, do you?
Homer: (pause) Lisa, I want to buy your rock.
Comment by Dave C
So you can’t see how putting terrorists behind bars leads to less terrorism? I’m sorry that you get your critical thinking from the Simpsons, maybe you should find a new cartoon.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:33 pmWhen are they going to start dueling?!?!?!??!
April 24th, 2007 at 12:34 pmYou were talking about an American congressperson’s remarks in Congress. Now, suddenly, your remarks encompass the entire free world?
Right.
Comment by Barfly
Didn’t the congressman bring up London as an attack? If you let the terrorists out they will attack other places. Believe it or not what we do does encompass the entire free world here.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:34 pmLook, LMD, you made a boneheaded assertion; just move on, we won’t hold one against you. We’re liberals.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:35 pmpgw — you are missing what Rohrabacher wrote about the Taliban less than two years after that article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Dana_Rohrabacher#Involvement_with_Afghanistan_and_the_Taliban
April 24th, 2007 at 12:36 pm#
Any Democrat who stayed quiet and in the room should be embarrassed. You either speak out or you walk out on such irrresponsible talk. It must be made clear that such crude behavior is unacceptable. Not just by protesters in the crowd. What was the response from others in the committee?
Comment by Albert — April 24, 2007 @ 11:42 am
I didn’t see this hearing, but if the Dems on the committee DIDN’T object to this statement, then (for the first time ever) I agree with Albert.
Roger_Roger…you are trying to overcome the problem of the U.S. participating in torture (a violation of the Geneva Conventions..as well as human decency) by advocating simply murdering them where they stand in the fields instead? Oh…another violation of the Geneva Conventions..and human decency. And all of this to save money for the taxpayer? Words fail me.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:36 pml=m and roger_roger:
I murder children in my basement whom I have identified as future violent criminals, who may grow up to harm families just like yours. If I did not, the violent crime rate would double what it currently measures, and you and your family would be at risk.
You are both beneath contempt.
God have mercy on your souls, ‘cuz I’m fresh out.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:37 pmHe hopes it’s our families who suffer a terrorist attack.
And I hope it’s Dana Rohrabacher who gets sent to Ethiopia for a few months on the rack.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:37 pmNot at all, Dave C. — it is clear that Rohrabacher grasped the significance of changed circumstances within the Taliban much quicker than Clinton / Gore ever did.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:38 pm“So you can’t see how putting terrorists behind bars leads to less terrorism?”
you left out the torturing part.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:40 pmLook, LMD, you made a boneheaded assertion; just move on, we won’t hold one against you. We’re liberals.
Comment by Barfly
Nothing boneheaded about it. Sorry you can’t see how letting terrorists free could result in terrorist attacks in America and Europe.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:41 pm“So you can’t see how putting terrorists behind bars leads to less terrorism?â€
you left out the torturing part.
Comment by pgw
Yes torturing to gain information does help and has prevented attacks.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:44 pmSo you can’t see how putting terrorists behind bars leads to less terrorism? I’m sorry that you get your critical thinking from the Simpsons, maybe you should find a new cartoon.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
*Sigh*
My Reagan bat is getting a little chipped from overusage, but if I must, I must. Conservatives like Reagan sold weapons to terrorists. That showed them what a papertiger the US leadership was (and is) under republicans. They talk about “never dealing with terrorists,” while selling them weapons. The terrorists see the two-faced cowardice of republicans, and it emboldens them to take additional hostages, and commit additional terrorist acts. Conservatives come to the terrorism debate with decades of dried innocents’ blood on their hands, selling weapons to both sides of the Iran/Iraq war, and then decades later, crying about all the dead, and using thier own past bad judgements as reason to invade a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. So don’t come around here, and act like conservative have clean hands –you don’t.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:44 pmNot at all, Dave C. — it is clear that Rohrabacher grasped the significance of changed circumstances within the Taliban much quicker than Clinton / Gore ever did.
Comment by Jimmy Wales — April 24, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Yeah, I’m sure that’s the kind of analysis you gave to the Kerry change in position on the Iraq war.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:45 pmmental midget - I think you’re a terrorist. You hate my way of life and my freedom. What’s to keep you from being grouped with the other “terrorists”? What is it that separates you from them? I just want you to name something.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:46 pmNothing boneheaded about it. Sorry you can’t see how letting terrorists free could result in terrorist attacks in America and Europe.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 24, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
He’s probably right, if someone locked me up for no reason I would want to attack them.
What we have here is something similar to first-aid on a stab wound. Once stabbed, you should never remove the object or the bleeding will increase and you will probably die. However, you would have been a lot better off not getting stabbed in the first place.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:47 pmYes torturing to gain information does help and has prevented attacks.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
Morally corrupt. It also breeds more terrorists.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:48 pmwow stunning
April 24th, 2007 at 12:49 pmSo you can’t see how putting terrorists behind bars leads to less terrorism? I’m sorry that you get your critical thinking from the Simpsons, maybe you should find a new cartoon.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 24, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
I disagree with the logic that the U.S. program works because there hasn’t been an attack since 9/11. I also disagree that it’s worth rounding up innocents and torturing them if there’s the chance that there may also be terrorists caught. You act like either they’re all terrorists or the lives of innocent Iraqis are meaningless & can be discarded without a care.
Perhaps there wouldn’t have been an attack at all if not for the U.S. history of foreign policy. Maybe if Saddam hadn’t been armed by the U.S. in the 80’s to fight Iran he wouldn’t have become what he was in the end. If you’re going to consider cause & result you have to follow them all, not just those that fit your preconceived notions.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:49 pmMy Reagan bat is getting a little chipped from overusage, but if I must, I must. Conservatives like Reagan sold weapons to terrorists. That showed them what a papertiger the US leadership was (and is) under republicans. They talk about “never dealing with terrorists,†while selling them weapons. The terrorists see the two-faced cowardice of republicans, and it emboldens them to take additional hostages, and commit additional terrorist acts. Conservatives come to the terrorism debate with decades of dried innocents’ blood on their hands, selling weapons to both sides of the Iran/Iraq war, and then decades later, crying about all the dead, and using thier own past bad judgements as reason to invade a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. So don’t come around here, and act like conservative have clean hands –you don’t.
Comment by Barfly
And how does this have anything do do with detaining terrorists now? You are as bad as the Clinton did it posters.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:49 pm“Yes torturing to gain information does help and has prevented attacks.”
so does and has human intelligence.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:53 pmJimmy Wales:
The essential point remains the same. Dana saw a repressive regime, which banned music, felt stoning women to death for adultery was A Okay, and was not recognised by any but four other countries as a legitimate government for a reason, as being a good thing. That he later revised his opinion based on something totally other then the repressive nature of the Taliban regime does not change the fact that he admired the repressive nature of the Taliban.
To the guy who claims liberalism is a mental disorder:
Hey, we don’t go around claiming that dropping taxes ups government income, we don’t react to a massive school shooting by claiming that giving students guns would be a good idea, and we don’t pretend that supporting the troops means cutting funding for veteran’s benefits.
We also don’t pretend that you can get away with somehow claiming to be the good guys, when you engage in secret renditions, trials and torture. We don’t try to blame the victims of a horrible disaster for not being able to get away.
We don’t ignore people who we have paid to find out about something, when they come back with information we don’t like. We do not take a repeatedly edited book written by a bunch of people who spent way too much time in the sun, without a hat or adequate provisions, 2000 years ago as being the final answer to all existance.
We learn from our mistakes. We learn, we do better and then we kick your ass because conservatism is just another word for cenophobia (Look it up.)
To RogerX2
Seen as every single Iraqi is a potential “terrorist”, including the children, are you advocating genocide?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:54 pmHey Liberalism = Mighty Megan Hermaphodite, how is that Napalm Strike you ordered for your armhair going? hahahahaha. Yes, thank you, your “24″ humping hereos shoved a poker up someones ass and got them to get some info. Sometimes torture gets info. If we chopped off the hands of peopel who stole bread there would less theives. So what? Do we use every tool of savagery at our disposal, debase ourselves as a country just for some modest benefit?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:54 pmSlipping in the bathtub killed 600 people last year.. how many people should we torture to prevent it?
Morally corrupt. It also breeds more terrorists.
Comment by Barfly
So your solution is to let them carry out their attacks so we don’t breed anymore terrorists? wow
April 24th, 2007 at 12:55 pmHis speech is profoundly un-American, and horribly offensive. He’s wishing terrorist attacks on people in the audience. That is unbelieveable. I hope it costs him his seat in the long-run.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:55 pmBut then again you can’t realize that, which is why liberalism is a mental disorder.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
Wrong. Where I live, people are worried about not getting fired and taking food to their families, not fiction stories about evil doers lurking in the night to harm us. No one believe that “enemy” crap. Just like no body believe when JFK asked Mexico to support US in their illegal action against Cuba because of the Cuban threat. The Mexican official told Kennedy: if I just told that Cuba is a threat to Mexico, 40 million people will die laughing.
The same here. Your government has trained you well in fear techniques. You fear commies, arabs, Muslims, Russians, Central Americans, Illegal Aliens, Chinese…you fear, which is good for Profits that you wont be seeing.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:55 pm“I disagree with the logic that the U.S. program works because there hasn’t been an attack since 9/11. ”
maybe there hasn’t been an attack because a certain president gave in to a demand by o.b.l. and pulled his troops out of saudi arabia
April 24th, 2007 at 12:56 pmI disagree with the logic that the U.S. program works because there hasn’t been an attack since 9/11. I also disagree that it’s worth rounding up innocents and torturing them if there’s the chance that there may also be terrorists caught. You act like either they’re all terrorists or the lives of innocent Iraqis are meaningless & can be discarded without a care.
Comment by Dave C —
I don’t beleive it works because there has not been another U.S. attack since 9/11. I believe it works because it has stopped planned attacks since 9/11 in the U.S.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:58 pmAnd how does this have anything do do with detaining terrorists now? You are as bad as the Clinton did it posters.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
Well, we should always acknowledge past mistakes, shouldn’t we? Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it. What it has to do with detaining terrorists now, is the perceptions in the muslim and arab world of the US, and our true objectives in our “war on terror.” Perhaps if you knew a little more history, you’d see why this is short-sighted, and will blow up politically by further isolating us from the rest of the world. Short-sighted, and morally corrupt; yup, you’re a conservative.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:59 pm“So your solution is to let them carry out their attacks so we don’t breed anymore terrorists?”
i lost my dog, false choice. has anyone seen my dog?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:59 pmmental midget said:
I don’t beleive it works because there has not been another U.S. attack since 9/11. I believe it works because it has stopped planned attacks since 9/11 in the U.S.
Can you prove that it has stopped attacks above and beyond what non-tortuous methods that follow Geneva conventions would have?
April 24th, 2007 at 1:02 pmComment by pgw
Bingo.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:03 pmWhen I think about how the Founding Fathers, when constructing our criminal justice system, declared that it was better for 100 criminals to go free rather than one innocent person to go to jail”, and this Conservative mindset that it’s “okay” if innocent people are imprisoned on the SUSPICION that someone else they capture in the process MAY kill 20,000 in some future (preventable?) attack… must have our Founding Fathers rolling in their graves.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:03 pmBarfly — ending the Cold War was a priority at the time.
Bruce Gorton — when they were freedom fighters, he praised them — when they provided refuge to Osama bin Laden, engaged in mass killings of Shi’ites and ethnic Uzbeks, Turks, and Tajiks, and placed restrictions on the rights of Afghan women and children, Rohrabacher strongly rebuked the Taliban.
Mike — given the political make-up of his Congressional district, the speech will probably BUMP UP his next vote count.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:03 pm