Rep. Rohrabacher: ‘I Hope It’s Your Families That Suffer’ From A Terrorist Attack
Rep. Rohrabacher: ‘I Hope It’s Your Families That Suffer’ From A Terrorist Attack
Last week, a House Foreign Affairs subcommittee held a hearing on the Bush administration’s practice of extraordinary rendition, whereby hundreds of “terror suspects who had never been indicted for any crimes” have been abducted and flown to either secret agency prisons or to foreign countries such as Egypt or Syria where they are tortured.
Throughout the hearing, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) aggressively defended the U.S. rendition program and attacked the witnesses, three members of the European parliament, who testified that rendition actually hinders prosecutions of terrorists.
Rohrabacher told the witnesses that Nazi leader Adolf Eichmann would still be alive if they were in charge. He said the witnesses were free to doubt the motives of U.S. rendition since “I know there’s a lot of people who hate America.”
At one point, Rohrabacher argued that imprisoning and torturing one innocent person was a fair price to pay for locking up 50 terrorists who would “go out and plant a bomb…and kill 20,000 people.” When members of the audience groaned, Rohrabacher said, “Well, I hope it’s your families, I hope it’s your families that suffer the consequences.” Watch it:
One member of the audience was Army Col. Ann Wright, who served 13 years on active duty and 16 years in the U.S. Army Reserves. “After 16 years in the US diplomatic corps, she resigned in March 2003 in opposition to the war on Iraq.” Wright rose to protest Rohrabacher’s remarks but was quickly removed from the hearing room. You can read her account of the experience HERE.
Transcript:
ROHRABACHER: After 9/11, we established different operations because we needed to do it, because we knew at that time there were people who were willing to kill tens of thousands of other human beings because they hate our way of life. Now, we’re only talking about the question at hand — we’ve looked at your report — we’re talking about a minuscule number of people here as compared to the number of people who are being protected. And does that mean — and of the minuscule number of people, 100, 200 people who are being held in this way, how many of those have been mistreated? How many of those have actually suffered the type of unfair treatment because they themselves really aren’t members of al Qaeda and they were just, their name was mistaken. For example, I know in one or two cases you have a man whose name was exactly the same name as a Muslim that was involved in al Qaeda. To the degree there are a few of those cases, we should do our best to make sure those cases don’t exist, try to find a system to root them out.
But, here’s the other shoe dropping, we are at war, and we’ve got to make sure that we do not let go 50 terrorists who will go out and plant a bomb in London and kill 20,000 people in order to protect that one person who we arrested accidentally because his name was the same. That’s the type of unfortunate consequence.
[Audience groans.]
Well, I hope it’s your families, I hope it’s your families that suffer the consequences. Mr. Chairman, I will be very happy to talk to everybody afterwards if you want to talk to me, but in terms of the hearing, I’d like to make my points without having it animated. One person — if we let, if in order to protect the rights of one or two people, or five people or ten people, who are mistakenly abducted because their names were the same or because they went to a mosque that they didn’t know this thing was going on in the back room, if 10 of those people suffer those consequences, but in order for us to take 90 other people off the street who are intent and involved in plans that would slaughter tens of thousands of our citizens, I’m afraid that’s the price we pay in a real world. And the United States, we’re not ghouls. We’re not, we don’t, we’re not, we don’t want to torture somebody because he has a bad name. We want to get information from somebody that we think might want to kill our children and kill your children. And if you doubt our motives, you’re welcome to, I know there’s a lot of people who hate America, but when the pressure’s on, quite frankly, we have known all along that at times America has to go it alone, and people will try to find fault with us rather than trying to at least understand our morality.
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I just Love those “c”hristian values that the Republicans adore!
How about they start throwing stones while they’re at it?
April 24th, 2007 at 10:35 amRorbacher,
April 24th, 2007 at 10:36 amA lot of people Hate Neocons, not Americans.
Say “Goodnight,” Dana. Your career is over.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:38 amThat is the face and voice of the modern republican party. If the DNC isn’t turning this into commercials right now they deserve to lose elections.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:39 amYou know….. More and more everyday I am REALLY hatting the Republican party!
I hate what they stand for and what they have done to my ONCE great nation.
I would love to see them in a position that they are more than willing to put other people in.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:39 amGood job! Embarrass the U.S. just a little bit more Rohrabacher!
April 24th, 2007 at 10:40 amwow. All his argumentive points parallel the trolls here.
Huh. Rorbacher=firehead, p’haps?
I hope one innocent member of Rorbacher’s family is painfully tortured for an extreme long amount of time, so that it prevents another illegal invasion and occupation.
(see how pathetically absurd that sounds)
April 24th, 2007 at 10:41 amShouldn’t Rep Rohrabacher be reprimanded my Congress for advocating the violation of the Constitution? He is sworn to uphold it, isn’t he? Or did he have his fingers crossed?
Even the Pentagon has said watching “24″ is having a bad influence on troop behavior. I guess it’s also brainwashing Congressmen.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:45 amAnyone supporting this practice should be willing to be subject to a week of rendition including torture to gain additional insight into the reality of what is being supported. I bet the value of “one innocent victim” would become more of an issue!
April 24th, 2007 at 10:45 amShame on America . violence only breeds more violence
April 24th, 2007 at 10:47 amI Hope It’s Your Families That Suffer’ From A Terrorist Attack
WE ARE ALREADY SUFFERING BECAUSE OF YOUR ACTIONS YOU PLEB
April 24th, 2007 at 10:48 amThank you, TP, for publicizing this. Since the mainstream media will not report it, it is up to the net to spread this around.
Such despicable behavior should be shown to every one of his constituents.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:48 amJust when I think these people can’t sink any lower, something like this happens. I honestly believed nothing these right-wing hacks say could shock me anymore. This man, sadly, has done just that.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:49 amRohrabacher was a monsterous fool during his questioning, filled with threats of harm to our long time European allies. Psychosis and retardation are a deadly combination.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:49 amInteresting how the republicans rail against Syria and how evil they are, yet Syria is gracious enough to allow us to maintain a prison there. I remember when the Iranian president was pushing for a debate with President Bush, how he kept demanding that the debate be live and uncensored. I wonder how many prisons we have in Iran.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:49 amSomewhere in the U.S., police are looking for a white haired, caucasian man of Rep. Dana Rohrabacher’s age as a suspect in a sexual assault on a child. We should arrest Mr. Rohrabacher and hold him until we have definite proof that he is not the perpetrator. We may have to hold Mr. Rohrabacher and ten of his similar-type friends in order to insure the safety of other children who are in danger of a repeat sexual offense such as that which has already occurred.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:50 amCalifornia Democrats! Take that footage and crucify that SON OF A B!TCH at every opportunity! See to it that he is never again handed the reigns of power over so much as a Little League baseball team!
April 24th, 2007 at 10:51 amAnn Wright is a true American hero. It is people like her that represent true American values. This brave woman sacrificed her career because of her opposition to this horrible “war” and then she has the guts to speak the truth to that PIG Rohrbacher.
We lose brave people in government service because of the Republican cowards who only care that a “terrorist” might find them.
Rohrbacher saying I hope they find you and your families is echoing the Republican mantra. The same one our nasty, wimpy trolls use here.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:51 amI’m sure that there will be trolls complaining about Dems not supporting the torture of terrorists. Trolls, please direct your comments to Navy veteran, Donald Vance. Thank you.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:51 amIt appears to me that Rohrabacher is the real terrorist.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:52 amHey Rohrabacher, your son looks kinda like a tear-rist to me, I’m calling homeland security! Want to talk to him? Tuff shite! Wait til he gets back from Syria…if he comes back..
In fact, Dana’s whole family looks kinda like tear-rists! Lock ‘em up!! Protect the homeland!!
April 24th, 2007 at 10:52 amWell, his comment was pretty disgusting. Republicans only care about themselves. Speak against the war, president, or what they do, you’re not an American. These people don’t care about us. They want us to die.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:52 amDana’s taken one too many surfboards to his noggin.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:53 amIt’s funny to watch Republicans continue to deploy this deplorable nonsense, seemingly unaware that nobody’s buying it anymore.
Four years ago, most of the audience would have stood up and cheered when he said that. The groans must have come as quite a shock to him.
Hee hee hee – the still think they matter. Keep it up, Dana. I hope the RNC puts you on their mailers.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:55 amWhat a f*cking retard. Republican leaders these days are just downright stupid, as by extension are their blind supporters.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:55 amThis man did not serve his country in the military. Why should he have a platform on rendition?
April 24th, 2007 at 10:56 amFear, they have been fed a steady diet of fear mongering for the last 6 years. I do hope the light stays shining on this.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:58 amI’m with you Dana! In addition to the terrorists, we should also lock up the queers, dissenters, subordinates, minorities, and the homeless, only then will the nation truely be secure.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:58 amI wonder just how many volts to his testicles it would take him to repudiate his republican ideas , would the site of his 9 year old child being raped by the CIA change his mind, how would he feel if he were made to give Cheney a BJ at Abu Ghraib on Camera
EVERY BODY SHOULD WATCH Mark of Cain [2007] by Matthew McNulty and see what you think then
April 24th, 2007 at 10:59 amYep, repuke christian values at their best, these scum sucking sick f**ks are the worst subhumans that have ever existed.
The world hates them for their values…..Repuke = bad
Makes it obvious why liberals are what we are….
We believe in equal rights for ALL americans.
They believe that they are more equal than others
We believe ALL amercians should stick together and help each other
They believe that if they have theirs, screw the rest of you
We believe war is an absolutly the last option
They believe war is the first option, because they profit from it
Well, this list would be too long to type this morning, but you get the drift.
That is why we must marginalize these sick subhumans in todays political discourse.
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily
April 24th, 2007 at 11:00 amI wonder just how many volts to his testicles it would take him to repudiate his republican ideas , would the site of his 9 year old child being raped by the CIA change his mind, how would he feel if he were made to give Cheney a BJ at Abu Ghraib on Camera
Comment by Tobey Tall — April 24, 2007 @ 10:59 am
I think we should try this out on Jake first and make sure we have the technique perfected before we try in on Rohrabacher.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:03 amIn addition to the terrorists, we should also lock up the queers, dissenters, subordinates, minorities, and the homeless, only then will the nation truely be secure. – - How Hitleresque of you, Jakie.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:04 am“Well, I hope it’s your families, I hope it’s your families that suffer the consequences. “??
That people, IMO, is a serious Piece of S___. I Almost wish he was my Rep so I could make sure to point to vote against him.
Lock up the Few to make the many feel “Safe”? He’d make Stalin proud…
April 24th, 2007 at 11:04 amDana, anyone who’s dared disagree w/ the Busch Admin has suffered a terrorist attack already.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:05 amTypical nonsensical propaganda.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:06 amHe said that it’s ok to take 10 innocent people & torture them in order to keep 90 terrorists off the streets. So he’s willing to accept a 10% error rate. I’m just guessing but I’ll bet he’ll accept the same error rate with U.S. capital punishment as well. It’s amazing. Not just that they feel this way but that they’re willing to publicly make those statements.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:08 amThere’s this rule to live by…it’s pretty good…how’s that go?…some liberal guy was talking about it a couple thousand years ago it’s so good…let’s see…how did that go…it’s so good it’s golden….gee I just can’t remember….
April 24th, 2007 at 11:09 amI think we should try this out on Jake first and make sure we have the technique perfected before we try in on Rohrabacher.
Comment by Shane
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Come on, we’re progressives! We can do things at once. We do require perfection. Jake and Robrabacher to the chamber!
April 24th, 2007 at 11:10 amJake! do I detect a bit of snarkiness from you my friend??
:)
April 24th, 2007 at 11:11 amGo easy on Jake. If it weren’t for this site he just might go postal. All that stupidity kept inside would build up until the sorry slug blew up. Jake can’t make the connection that what he’s asking for goes directly against what this country stands for. His spittle for Dana proves that.
For the record, I don’t wish terrorists attack any family.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:12 amAhh, classic American paranoia and narcissism… not to mention the Bushie mentality trickling down to his underlings, who all want to be the lone Texas ranger facing a sea of europeans, libertines and terrorists like a man. Except it’s not working anymore.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:12 amI’m emailing my reps to demand they condemn this clowns words.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:14 amIt is sad that this debate has turned political. We should be focusing on the science of torture. It is proven that it doesn’t work. We need new policies. We need policies that allow our special forces to makes decisions in the field about the terrorists they catch. When they feel a target is of little value they need to right kill them were they stand. This will limit the cost to the American tax payer and will reduce the political BS wrapped around detaining terrorists. Our government has to deal with the extremes. In this case, the extreme is the group of people that are fighting our government on behalf of the terrorists looking to provide them “rights”. Since they are slowing our progress down, we need to change up. Unless the terrorist is of extremely high importance with a chance to actually provide us valid intel without being tortured, we need to provide them with death on the spot. This will reduce a huge burden on tax payers. Every day we need to fork over more money for the well being of terrorists that only wish us harm. It is time to accept we can’t detain them with any reasonable chance of getting intel. With that said, we need to execute them in the field. At least we won’t have to have a discussion about terrorist rights. Dead terrorists that were not tortured should make every American happy (unless you don’t like America and prefer the terrorists).
April 24th, 2007 at 11:16 amYou know I support the actions of the protestors, but could they not have thought to leave their coats at home? It’s a little ridiculous to have one poor schmuck left behind to collect the personal belongings. Don’t go into combat with spare change in your pocket.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:16 amWhich defense contractor has Rohrbacher on the take?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:16 amMaybe it’s Gulfstream, the makers of those fancy jets with the rings on the floor in the cargo hold…
I hope it’s your family, Rohrabacher, that gets dragged away and imprisoned for years without charges, and tortured until they confess to something they know absolutely nothing about. I hope they go insane from living in a small cell and never having any hope of speaking to loved ones or being freed.
Actually, that’s not true. I don’t wish that upon your family, Rohrabacher. Just you. Goddam fascist.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:18 am“I’m with you Dana! In addition to the terrorists, we should also lock up the queers, dissenters, subordinates, minorities, and the homeless, only then will the nation truely be secure.”
The nation? Don’t you mean the Fatherland, Jake?
And how would you continue to embarrass yourself online from behind bars?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:18 amSorry, forgot about the Jews. Them too.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:19 amdana seems a bit defensive. which is strange considering he had extensive contacts with the taliban previous to 9/11.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:20 amYou’re a sick puppy, Roger x2.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:20 amMy goodness, Roger_Roger, you’re one sick F*#k. No doubt you live in your mother’s basement and huff twinkies all day while dreaming your eliminationist fantasies.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:21 am#
Comment by Roger_Roger — April 24, 2007 @ 11:16 am
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86% of Guantanamo detainees were captured by Pakistan. Many have been held for years only to be released with an “OOPS!” Donald Vance can explain more about that. The youngest prisoner at Gitmo was 14 when captured and 18 when released. Do you honestly believe that we should be working with the Syrian government to torture people that Pakistan says are terrorists? Osama is laughing his a$$ off at you right now.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:23 amRoger_Roger:
That was the most sincere post since the Editiorial of the Wall Street Journal. Stalin is alive within you.
BTW, I think this Jake is being ironic.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:23 amAny chance that Jake and Roger_Roger are the same person?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:24 amWas Rohrbacher tied up in the Unocal pipeline across Afghanistan deal?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:25 amIf so, this explains a lot………..
Rohrabacher is a simple-minded, talking-points-spewing, fascist f*ckstick.
He is a far greater danger to our democratic system than any of the “enemy combatants” we have extraordinarily rendered.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:25 amThis happens to be WHY we must protect and preserve the 2nd Amendment. He is attempting to draw a similarity between Japanese/Americans of WW2 to Mid-Eastern/Americans of today. Even though Japanese/Americans were held in camps around the US they were not flown to other nations and tortured.
Not to get stuck on a point (it is no small point), the entire Constitution has been muted by the Patriot Act and while I do understand that war-time is different than peace-time, the idea that OUR OWN PEOPLE are torturing other humans depicts that we as a nation have sunk to the bottom. It does not matter what political party you are a member of, torture is nothing more than another step taken into fascism.
Rohrabacher says that, “were talking about a miniscule number of people here compared to the number of people that are being protected” later on we will not even be able to talk about it if the Constitution falls. Rohrabacher is the sort of carpetbagger that needs to be tarred and feathered post haste directly in front of that building. Sorry about that folks but if we don’t rally around the Constitution pretty soon then it is only a matter of time before we wind up being subversives according to the carpetbaggers…
April 24th, 2007 at 11:26 amFine example of a Terror Whore.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:27 amWhere’s the outrage on this idiot for wishing harm on others?
He can say that yet Harry Reid gets pounced on for speaking truthfully about the Iraq debacle? WTF!!!
April 24th, 2007 at 11:27 amI dunno, Juan C, ‘jake’ usually can’t put more than 2 sentences together……..
April 24th, 2007 at 11:27 am“In the November/December 1996 issue of Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, Rohrabacher was reported as saying that the Taliban were not terrorists or revolutionaries, that they would develop a disciplined society that would leave no room for terrorists, and that the Taliban posed no threat to the United States.”
April 24th, 2007 at 11:29 am“the entire Constitution has been muted by the Patriot Act”"
It hasn’t been muted, it’s been castrated.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:29 amI don’t know why the trolls would be defending torture? Didn’t Bush clearly state “We don’t torture”? Surely, he didn’t lie?
“The fluorescent lights in his cell were never turned off, he said. At most hours, heavy metal or country music blared in the corridor. He said he was rousted at random times without explanation and made to stand in his cell. Even lying down, he said, he was kept from covering his face to block out the light, noise and cold. And when he was released after 97 days he was exhausted, depressed and scared.
Detainee 200343 was among thousands of people who have been held and released by the American military in Iraq, and his account of his ordeal has provided one of the few detailed views of the Pentagon’s detention operations since the abuse scandals at Abu Ghraib. Yet in many respects his case is unusual.
The detainee was Donald Vance, a 29-year-old Navy veteran from Chicago who went to Iraq as a security contractor.”
April 24th, 2007 at 11:29 amWhat no one has mentioned is the courage of Ann Wright, who spoke out against Rohrabacher’s asinine comments and was escorted out of the room because she dared to protest the words of this McCarthy-like congressman from California.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:30 amdana@mail.house.gov
Remember that rude and abusive e-mails will likely be ignored outright.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:30 amFascist America, in 10 easy steps
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html
From Hitler to Pinochet and beyond, history shows there are certain steps that any would-be dictator must take to destroy constitutional freedoms. And, argues Naomi Wolf, George Bush and his administration seem to be taking them all
1 Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
2 Create a gulag
3 Develop a thug caste
4 Set up an internal surveillance system
5 Harass citizens’ groups
6 Engage in arbitrary detention and release
7 Target key individuals
8 Control the press
9 Dissent equals treason
10 Suspend the rule of law
read the article Bush has done all these ,hes almost a despicable dictator
April 24th, 2007 at 11:33 amRep. Rohrabacher is a major freaking asshat. This is the republitard mindset: “I hope it’s your families that suffer…”
Where it the “compassionate conservatism” in that statement?
… and they wonder why they’re losing grips with the electorate.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:36 amIsn’t Ann Wright the retired colonel who kicked o’liely’s ass so bad he had to cut her mic?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:37 amAny Democrat who stayed quiet and in the room should be embarrassed. You either speak out or you walk out on such irrresponsible talk. It must be made clear that such crude behavior is unacceptable. Not just by protesters in the crowd. What was the response from others in the committee?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:42 amWHY WON”T THEY UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!!
HYSTERICS SOLVES EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 24th, 2007 at 11:43 am“Rohrabacher had a history of involvement in Afghanistan dating back to the Cold War, when he openly supported the groups that were fighting troops from the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. In late 1988, Rohrabacher went to Afghanistan:
‘After I left the White House and was elected to Congress, but before I was sworn into Congress, I knew I had that two months between November and January to do things that I could never do once I was elected to Congress. I chose to hike into Afghanistan as part of a small Mujahedin unit and to engage in a battle against the Russian and communist forces near and around the city of Jalalabad.’”
April 24th, 2007 at 11:44 amI think we should let all terrorists go, who cares if they strike again we need to be nice to everybody.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:45 am…we need to provide them with death on the spot.
I just read on a recruirment site that if you sign up now, you could get the job. Hurry Roger, before someone else beats you to it.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:45 amFor the record, I don’t wish terrorists attack any family.
Comment by hellinabucket — April 24, 2007 @ 11:12 am
Geez, not even Rohrabachers? Party pooper.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:46 amIsn’t Ann Wright the retired colonel who kicked o’liely’s ass so bad he had to cut her mic?
Comment by Klyde
I remember that, she kept changing the subject when OReilly would ask a question. She was inable to discuss the topic at hand so she had to bring say how bad America is, when Iran had hostages-that weren’t even American. Not exactly kicking his ass.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:47 amlockstep or suffer the consequences- where are we going ?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:47 amDead terrorists that were not tortured should make every American happy (unless you don’t like America and prefer the terrorists).
Comment by Roger_Roger — April 24, 2007 @ 11:16 am
There’s a good article for you to read on Thinkfast #35 about fascism. Since you’re such a big proponent of fascism it will probably give you some tips.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:49 amAmericans better start looking at people like you because you are the ones threatening our country as we’ve known it.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
you had me at “hand so she had to bring say how bad America”
April 24th, 2007 at 11:52 am“I think we should let all terrorists go, who cares if they strike again we need to be nice to everybody.”
Gee, “liberalism=mental disorder”, I guess you must be a proud disciple of that valient Uber-patriot, Dr Weiner, the self-proclaimed head of the Weiner Nation. You do know what the head of the weiner is, don’t you?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:56 amWhat no one has mentioned is the courage of Ann Wright, who spoke out against Rohrabacher’s asinine comments and was escorted out of the room because she dared to protest the words of this McCarthy-like congressman from California.
Comment by Erroll — April 24, 2007 @ 11:30 am
I did in #18. A true American hero.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:56 am#72 read #52
April 24th, 2007 at 11:57 amyou had me at “hand so she had to bring say how bad Americaâ€
Comment by pgw
Thank you for pointing out my typing error. What I mean to say was “at hand so she had to say how bad America is”. Again thank you!
April 24th, 2007 at 11:57 amWRIGHT: “I want to make sure the United States treats people properly..”
O’REILLY: “Sure you do. Sure you do.”
WRIGHT: “I surely do. That’s what I spent 29 years of my life trying to do.”
O’REILLY: “Sorry. No you didn’t. You know what happened to you…somewhere along the line you started to dislike your own country….”
WRIGHT: “I served 29 years. How many did you serve? Where did you teach the Geneva Conventions?”
O’REILLY: “Cut her mic.”
April 24th, 2007 at 12:01 pmhttp://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/02/why-does-bill-oreilly-hate-our-troops-and-american-values/
She was inable to discuss the topic at hand so she had to bring say how bad America is, when Iran had hostages-that weren’t even American
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder(IHL,moonbatpatrol) — April 24, 2007 @ 11:47 am
You know, sentence structure and punctuation is a good thing, as well as a certain amount of grammar.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:01 pmEliminating run on sentences, and spelling correctly would certaintly help your, um, your…..your, um
do you actually have a point?
who cares if they strike again we need to be nice to everybody.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
You just described what Bush thinks about OBL.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:02 pm“Thank you for pointing out my typing error.”
any time, pal.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:02 pmlike now. here it is again: “bring say how badâ€
It is baffling how folks on this site take my post that was clearly against torture and somehow say I was defending torture. I 100% agree it doesn’t work which is why we shouldn’t do it. If it did work, we wouldn’t be having this discussion as every sane person would agree that it would then be a neccessary evil. Since it doesn’t work, we need to stop. Is that clear enough for you? With that said, what is the reason for detaining terrorists? If we can’t get valid intel out of them, they are simply a burden for the US tax payer. I, along with most Americans, have no interest in housing and paying for terrorists. If they have no value to us, which they don’t, why not simply execute them in the field instead of pay to house and care for them for years? We can’t simply release them as they will resort right back to killing Americans which no one wants (other then terrorists and those that hate America). I am simply looking at this from a logical standpoint. They have no value, we Americans don’t want to pay for their well being since they have no value to us, and we can’t let them go as they will go kill more Americans. We have no other valid choice.
We are fighting a war afterall against people that wish America harm and have no problem killing us. Why are we even having a discussion about whether we want them dead? I would think that everyone wants terrorists dead other then people that are actually for the terrorists.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:04 pmShe was inable to discuss the topic at hand so she had to bring say how bad America is, when Iran had hostages-that weren’t even American. Not exactly kicking his ass.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
Are you talking about the Iranian hostage crisis? Did you not know that Americans were held hostage in Iran? What institution have you been, to be so removed from reality?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:04 pm“who cares if they strike again we need to be nice to everybody.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder”
you mean like the way rohrabacher was to the taliban and bush is to the saudis?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:06 pm#72 read #52
Comment by Chris L
Unfortunately we cannot determine how many thousands of people are now alive that would be dead if this program did not exist. Maybe we should let them all go and then after they blow up a building or two we can quantify.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:06 pmRep. Rohrabacher must be forced to resign from the Congress in shame!
April 24th, 2007 at 12:06 pmThe transcript is incorrect for the Rohrabacher comments. The transcript note that the audience groans, to which Rohrabacher responds with the “I hope it’s your family” comment.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:07 pmIn fact, he makes the “I hope it’s your family” comment BEFORE the audience groans. The groan is in response to his really awful statement, not the cause of it. I believe it’s worse that he said it without being directly provoked.
-David
He wins the official Bushie t-shirt. The one that says “I’m with Stupid” and has no arrow.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:07 pmWe are fighting a war afterall against people that wish America harm and have no problem killing us.
Comment by Roger_Roger the Debate_Dodger — April 24, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
Well, if it’s that easy, please define, in detail, “the enemy”.
How does our military identify “the enemy”, and engage?
Pretty simple, actually.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:09 pmTake your time in not responding
WRIGHT: “I want to make sure the United States treats people properly..â€
O’REILLY: “Sure you do. Sure you do.â€
WRIGHT: “I surely do. That’s what I spent 29 years of my life trying to do.â€
O’REILLY: “Sorry. No you didn’t. You know what happened to you…somewhere along the line you started to dislike your own country….â€
WRIGHT: “I served 29 years. How many did you serve? Where did you teach the Geneva Conventions?â€
O’REILLY: “Cut her mic.â€
http://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2007/ 04/ 02/ why-does-bill-oreilly-hate-our-troops-and-american-values/
Comment by Chris L
Why did you leave out the part where he asks her if Iran is breaking the Geneva convention and she does not answer? The interview was about the Iran hostages and she knew that before, she wanted to change it. Maybe if she had a show she could pick the topics.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:10 pmRoger, listen to the video on this link. Rep. Rohrabacher says that it’s ok to illegally detain & torture 10% of the prisoners they capture. You stand up & say you disagree, torture is bad. Therefore your solution is to kill these prisoners rather then detain/torture them. The % of innocent people captured (or in this case killed) stays the same. You’re just in favor of killing innocents rather then torturing them. You want a medal for that?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:10 pmi don’t think that is the real Jake…
April 24th, 2007 at 12:10 pmShane at #80
My apologies for not having seen your laudatory comments regarding Ms. Wright. I heard her speak at the Veterans for Peace convention last year in Seattle and she is, as you point out, a true American heroine. What this country needs are more people like Ann Wright who are not afraid of challenging the establishment.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:10 pm“Unfortunately we cannot determine how many thousands of people are now alive that would be dead if this program did not exist.”
Now there’s a cop-out.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:11 pmUnfortunately we cannot determine how many thousands of people are now alive that would be dead if this program did not exist
Comment by liberalism=giving me a mental disorder — April 24, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
Okay, this may well be…the…dumbest…post…EVER!
April 24th, 2007 at 12:12 pmYa know, going back to school to get your GED is not always a bad thing!
“Unfortunately we cannot determine how many thousands of people are now alive that would be dead if this program did not exist. Maybe we should let them all go and then after they blow up a building or two we can quantify.”
hey, i was talking to a friend about hypotheticals and false choices! what a coincidence!
April 24th, 2007 at 12:13 pmyou mean like the way rohrabacher was to the taliban and bush is to the saudis?
Comment by pgw
Do you have any proof to back up your claim on Rohrabacher?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:13 pmRoger_Roger, what happens if someone decides you have no value?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:14 pmpgw — which way was Rohrabacher to the Taliban? Assuming your quote above is from the following web site, why not include the rest of section 5.2?
“In the November/December 1996 issue of Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, Rohrabacher was reported as saying that the Taliban were not terrorists or revolutionaries, that they would develop a disciplined society that would leave no room for terrorists, and that the Taliban posed no threat to the United States.
However, in a September 11, 1998 editorial in the The Washington Post, Rohrabacher strongly rebuked the Taliban for providing refuge to Osama bin Laden, mass killings of Shi’ites and ethnic Uzbeks, Turks, and Tajiks, and restrictions on the rights of Afghan women and children:
It has been no secret that bin Laden has been sheltered by the Taliban. The Clinton administration was mute while one of the most violent anti-Western Muslim sects spilled into Afghanistan from their Pakistan-based “religious schools” and took control of the capital. We remained paralyzed while they moved to destroy moderate Muslim forces. While administration officials expressed concern of the Taliban’s complete denial of rights for women, it was little more than lip service. Even modest support from the United States for moderate Muslim forces in Afghanistan and serious political pressure on Pakistan could have thwarted the takeover of this strategically important country by these militant extremists. The danger of the spread of fanaticism expressed by the newly independent republics of Central Asia was smugly ignored.
During the summer of 2001, Rohrabacher made a trip to Qatar that was paid for by the Islamic Institute and the Government of Qatar, according to Rohrabacher’s financial disclosure forms. While in Qatar, Rohrabacher, Grover Norquist, and Khaled Saffuri met with Taliban Foreign Minister Mullah Wakil Ahmed Muttawakil. Wakil reportedly asked for help in increasing the amount of foreign aid sent by the United States to Afghanistan, apparently in exchange for U.S. oil company UNOCAL being allowed to construct of an oil pipeline through Afghanistan. If Rohrabacher was conducting diplomacy, he was in violation of the Logan Act, which prohibits citizens from doing so if not in an official capacity. Rohrabacher told wire service reporters who were present in Doha, Qatar at the time that he had discussed a “peace plan†with the Taliban. But Norquist, a close associate of Rohrabacher, said that the meeting happened accidentally and that it included Rohrabacher yelling at them about blowing up the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan.
The Taliban later announced in Kabul that it had rejected what it considered were unreasonable demands by the U.S. side. Rohrabacher’s staff would not answer questions about the Taliban talks.
After the September 11, 2001 attacks, Rohrabacher claimed that the attacks were due to incompetence on the part of the Clinton administration.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Rohrabacher#Involvement_with_Afghanistan_and_the_Taliban
April 24th, 2007 at 12:14 pmNow there’s a cop-out.
Comment by Barfly
How is that a cop-out? The program is there to stop attacks. If it didn’t then there would be more.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:14 pmDid this guy make Olbermann’s “Worst Person in the World” segment?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:15 pmUnfortunately we cannot determine how many thousands of people are now alive that would be dead if this program did not exist
Comment by liberalism=giving me a mental disorder — April 24, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
Ha ha ha ha!!! Dumbest post ever!!!
April 24th, 2007 at 12:16 pmHey mental midget:
Absence of proof (which is what you have) DOES NOT EQUAL proof of absence (which is what you are claiming)
April 24th, 2007 at 12:18 pmHa ha ha ha!!! Dumbest post ever!!!
Comment by Juan C
The program works, perhaps you are alive because of it. But then again you can’t realize that, which is why liberalism is a mental disorder.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:19 pmHow is that a cop-out? The program is there to stop attacks. If it didn’t then there would be more.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorde
because we know that “the terrorists” plan many years in advance. It’s a cop out because you don’t know if the reason we haven’t been attacked is this program, or Al Quaida’s habit of planning many years in advance. Is that clear?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:20 pmThe program works, perhaps you are alive because of it. But then again you can’t realize that, which is why liberalism is a mental disorder.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
Circular logic. Try again.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:21 pmhey mental midget – isn’t there a 15 minute time limit on the junior high library computers?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:22 pmComment by liberalism=mental disorder
Juan’s not an American. Your shoot-from-the-hip assertions show who really has the mental disorder.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:23 pmWell, not actually circular; it wobbles a bit.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:24 pmIf it didn’t then there would be more.
Comment by liberalism is causing my mental disorder — April 24, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
Since you so enjoy debating (pfft!) in hypotheticals, I got one for you:
9/11 would never have happened if the true President, Al Gore, hadn’t conceded to the Supreme Court.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:24 pmbut had it occurred, President Gore, with the backing of 98 % of the world, would have utilized his military efficiently to capture OBL, thus decreasing worldwide terrorism, and having a positive effect on our economy and jobs, and the issue of torture would be non existent.
Oh, and 3300 soldiers (and 600,000 Iraqis) would be alive today, and with there families!
Circular logic. Try again.
Comment by Barfly
Watch this video of award winning journalist Brian Ross-torture works and Gitmo works.
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/09/20/bombshell-abc-independently-confirms-success-of-cia-torture-tactics/
April 24th, 2007 at 12:26 pmI am the Architect. I created the Program. I’ve been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:26 pmJuan’s not an American. Your shoot-from-the-hip assertions show who really has the mental disorder.
Comment by Barfly
Does a liberal have to be an American? Are Americans the only ones that can be attacked by these terrorists? Your shoot from the hip logic fails a little.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:27 pmPerhaps 9/11 would have happened on 9/12.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:28 pmWell, not actually circular; it wobbles a bit.
Comment by Barfly
Lets see if this circular-if the people that plan and act out terrorist attacks are behind bars can they act out and plan terrorist attacks? Pretty simple-but it all adds to the mental disorder.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:28 pmAnd it is written and said often in some places, everything you say and do come’s back to you three fold……Safe to say this man along with the roger 2’s , jake’s, patrick’s michaels, M.A., burnt brain fire head and all the troll’s will be in a world of hurt at some point and the rest of us can just sit back and watch……To wish bad on any one will return to them 3X’s…So mote it be….Blessings
April 24th, 2007 at 12:29 pmThe logic is right out of the Simpsons…
Lisa: By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:29 pmHomer: Hmm. How does it work?
Lisa: It doesn’t work; it’s just a stupid rock!
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don’t see any tigers around, do you?
Homer: (pause) Lisa, I want to buy your rock.
here’s one with a picture of ‘outback dana’:
http://www.ocweekly.com/features/features/rogue-statesman/21591/
April 24th, 2007 at 12:30 pmComment by liberalism=mental disorder
You were talking about an American congressperson’s remarks in Congress. Now, suddenly, your remarks encompass the entire free world?
Right.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:30 pmAs I was saying, shane stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly ninety-nine percent of the test subjects accepted the Program provided they were given a choice — even if they were only aware of it at a near-unconscious level. While this solution worked, it was fundamentally flawed, creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that, if left unchecked, might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those who refused the Program, while a minority, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:32 pm“if the people that plan and act out terrorist attacks are behind bars can they act out and plan terrorist attacks? Pretty simple-but it all adds to the mental disorder.”
No, but the friends and relatives of innocent people taken, can. This tactic breeds more terrorists, silly.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:32 pmpgw — which way was Rohrabacher to the Taliban? Assuming your quote above is from the following web site, why not include the rest of section 5.2?
Comment by Jimmy Wales — April 24, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
If that quote was regarding a Democrat you probably would have responded with “Flip-Flop”.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:32 pmLisa: By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
Homer: Hmm. How does it work?
Lisa: It doesn’t work; it’s just a stupid rock!
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don’t see any tigers around, do you?
Homer: (pause) Lisa, I want to buy your rock.
Comment by Dave C
So you can’t see how putting terrorists behind bars leads to less terrorism? I’m sorry that you get your critical thinking from the Simpsons, maybe you should find a new cartoon.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:33 pmWhen are they going to start dueling?!?!?!??!
April 24th, 2007 at 12:34 pmYou were talking about an American congressperson’s remarks in Congress. Now, suddenly, your remarks encompass the entire free world?
Right.
Comment by Barfly
Didn’t the congressman bring up London as an attack? If you let the terrorists out they will attack other places. Believe it or not what we do does encompass the entire free world here.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:34 pmLook, LMD, you made a boneheaded assertion; just move on, we won’t hold one against you. We’re liberals.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:35 pmpgw — you are missing what Rohrabacher wrote about the Taliban less than two years after that article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Dana_Rohrabacher#Involvement_with_Afghanistan_and_the_Taliban
April 24th, 2007 at 12:36 pm#
Any Democrat who stayed quiet and in the room should be embarrassed. You either speak out or you walk out on such irrresponsible talk. It must be made clear that such crude behavior is unacceptable. Not just by protesters in the crowd. What was the response from others in the committee?
Comment by Albert — April 24, 2007 @ 11:42 am
I didn’t see this hearing, but if the Dems on the committee DIDN’T object to this statement, then (for the first time ever) I agree with Albert.
Roger_Roger…you are trying to overcome the problem of the U.S. participating in torture (a violation of the Geneva Conventions..as well as human decency) by advocating simply murdering them where they stand in the fields instead? Oh…another violation of the Geneva Conventions..and human decency. And all of this to save money for the taxpayer? Words fail me.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:36 pml=m and roger_roger:
I murder children in my basement whom I have identified as future violent criminals, who may grow up to harm families just like yours. If I did not, the violent crime rate would double what it currently measures, and you and your family would be at risk.
You are both beneath contempt.
God have mercy on your souls, ‘cuz I’m fresh out.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:37 pmHe hopes it’s our families who suffer a terrorist attack.
And I hope it’s Dana Rohrabacher who gets sent to Ethiopia for a few months on the rack.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:37 pmNot at all, Dave C. — it is clear that Rohrabacher grasped the significance of changed circumstances within the Taliban much quicker than Clinton / Gore ever did.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:38 pm“So you can’t see how putting terrorists behind bars leads to less terrorism?”
you left out the torturing part.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:40 pmLook, LMD, you made a boneheaded assertion; just move on, we won’t hold one against you. We’re liberals.
Comment by Barfly
Nothing boneheaded about it. Sorry you can’t see how letting terrorists free could result in terrorist attacks in America and Europe.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:41 pm“So you can’t see how putting terrorists behind bars leads to less terrorism?â€
you left out the torturing part.
Comment by pgw
Yes torturing to gain information does help and has prevented attacks.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:44 pmSo you can’t see how putting terrorists behind bars leads to less terrorism? I’m sorry that you get your critical thinking from the Simpsons, maybe you should find a new cartoon.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
*Sigh*
My Reagan bat is getting a little chipped from overusage, but if I must, I must. Conservatives like Reagan sold weapons to terrorists. That showed them what a papertiger the US leadership was (and is) under republicans. They talk about “never dealing with terrorists,” while selling them weapons. The terrorists see the two-faced cowardice of republicans, and it emboldens them to take additional hostages, and commit additional terrorist acts. Conservatives come to the terrorism debate with decades of dried innocents’ blood on their hands, selling weapons to both sides of the Iran/Iraq war, and then decades later, crying about all the dead, and using thier own past bad judgements as reason to invade a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. So don’t come around here, and act like conservative have clean hands –you don’t.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:44 pmNot at all, Dave C. — it is clear that Rohrabacher grasped the significance of changed circumstances within the Taliban much quicker than Clinton / Gore ever did.
Comment by Jimmy Wales — April 24, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Yeah, I’m sure that’s the kind of analysis you gave to the Kerry change in position on the Iraq war.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:45 pmmental midget – I think you’re a terrorist. You hate my way of life and my freedom. What’s to keep you from being grouped with the other “terrorists”? What is it that separates you from them? I just want you to name something.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:46 pmNothing boneheaded about it. Sorry you can’t see how letting terrorists free could result in terrorist attacks in America and Europe.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 24, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
He’s probably right, if someone locked me up for no reason I would want to attack them.
What we have here is something similar to first-aid on a stab wound. Once stabbed, you should never remove the object or the bleeding will increase and you will probably die. However, you would have been a lot better off not getting stabbed in the first place.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:47 pmYes torturing to gain information does help and has prevented attacks.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
Morally corrupt. It also breeds more terrorists.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:48 pmwow stunning
April 24th, 2007 at 12:49 pmSo you can’t see how putting terrorists behind bars leads to less terrorism? I’m sorry that you get your critical thinking from the Simpsons, maybe you should find a new cartoon.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder — April 24, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
I disagree with the logic that the U.S. program works because there hasn’t been an attack since 9/11. I also disagree that it’s worth rounding up innocents and torturing them if there’s the chance that there may also be terrorists caught. You act like either they’re all terrorists or the lives of innocent Iraqis are meaningless & can be discarded without a care.
Perhaps there wouldn’t have been an attack at all if not for the U.S. history of foreign policy. Maybe if Saddam hadn’t been armed by the U.S. in the 80’s to fight Iran he wouldn’t have become what he was in the end. If you’re going to consider cause & result you have to follow them all, not just those that fit your preconceived notions.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:49 pmMy Reagan bat is getting a little chipped from overusage, but if I must, I must. Conservatives like Reagan sold weapons to terrorists. That showed them what a papertiger the US leadership was (and is) under republicans. They talk about “never dealing with terrorists,†while selling them weapons. The terrorists see the two-faced cowardice of republicans, and it emboldens them to take additional hostages, and commit additional terrorist acts. Conservatives come to the terrorism debate with decades of dried innocents’ blood on their hands, selling weapons to both sides of the Iran/Iraq war, and then decades later, crying about all the dead, and using thier own past bad judgements as reason to invade a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. So don’t come around here, and act like conservative have clean hands –you don’t.
Comment by Barfly
And how does this have anything do do with detaining terrorists now? You are as bad as the Clinton did it posters.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:49 pm“Yes torturing to gain information does help and has prevented attacks.”
so does and has human intelligence.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:53 pmJimmy Wales:
The essential point remains the same. Dana saw a repressive regime, which banned music, felt stoning women to death for adultery was A Okay, and was not recognised by any but four other countries as a legitimate government for a reason, as being a good thing. That he later revised his opinion based on something totally other then the repressive nature of the Taliban regime does not change the fact that he admired the repressive nature of the Taliban.
To the guy who claims liberalism is a mental disorder:
Hey, we don’t go around claiming that dropping taxes ups government income, we don’t react to a massive school shooting by claiming that giving students guns would be a good idea, and we don’t pretend that supporting the troops means cutting funding for veteran’s benefits.
We also don’t pretend that you can get away with somehow claiming to be the good guys, when you engage in secret renditions, trials and torture. We don’t try to blame the victims of a horrible disaster for not being able to get away.
We don’t ignore people who we have paid to find out about something, when they come back with information we don’t like. We do not take a repeatedly edited book written by a bunch of people who spent way too much time in the sun, without a hat or adequate provisions, 2000 years ago as being the final answer to all existance.
We learn from our mistakes. We learn, we do better and then we kick your ass because conservatism is just another word for cenophobia (Look it up.)
To RogerX2
Seen as every single Iraqi is a potential “terrorist”, including the children, are you advocating genocide?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:54 pmHey Liberalism = Mighty Megan Hermaphodite, how is that Napalm Strike you ordered for your armhair going? hahahahaha. Yes, thank you, your “24″ humping hereos shoved a poker up someones ass and got them to get some info. Sometimes torture gets info. If we chopped off the hands of peopel who stole bread there would less theives. So what? Do we use every tool of savagery at our disposal, debase ourselves as a country just for some modest benefit?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:54 pmSlipping in the bathtub killed 600 people last year.. how many people should we torture to prevent it?
Morally corrupt. It also breeds more terrorists.
Comment by Barfly
So your solution is to let them carry out their attacks so we don’t breed anymore terrorists? wow
April 24th, 2007 at 12:55 pmHis speech is profoundly un-American, and horribly offensive. He’s wishing terrorist attacks on people in the audience. That is unbelieveable. I hope it costs him his seat in the long-run.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:55 pmBut then again you can’t realize that, which is why liberalism is a mental disorder.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
Wrong. Where I live, people are worried about not getting fired and taking food to their families, not fiction stories about evil doers lurking in the night to harm us. No one believe that “enemy” crap. Just like no body believe when JFK asked Mexico to support US in their illegal action against Cuba because of the Cuban threat. The Mexican official told Kennedy: if I just told that Cuba is a threat to Mexico, 40 million people will die laughing.
The same here. Your government has trained you well in fear techniques. You fear commies, arabs, Muslims, Russians, Central Americans, Illegal Aliens, Chinese…you fear, which is good for Profits that you wont be seeing.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:55 pm“I disagree with the logic that the U.S. program works because there hasn’t been an attack since 9/11. ”
maybe there hasn’t been an attack because a certain president gave in to a demand by o.b.l. and pulled his troops out of saudi arabia
April 24th, 2007 at 12:56 pmI disagree with the logic that the U.S. program works because there hasn’t been an attack since 9/11. I also disagree that it’s worth rounding up innocents and torturing them if there’s the chance that there may also be terrorists caught. You act like either they’re all terrorists or the lives of innocent Iraqis are meaningless & can be discarded without a care.
Comment by Dave C —
I don’t beleive it works because there has not been another U.S. attack since 9/11. I believe it works because it has stopped planned attacks since 9/11 in the U.S.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:58 pmAnd how does this have anything do do with detaining terrorists now? You are as bad as the Clinton did it posters.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
Well, we should always acknowledge past mistakes, shouldn’t we? Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it. What it has to do with detaining terrorists now, is the perceptions in the muslim and arab world of the US, and our true objectives in our “war on terror.” Perhaps if you knew a little more history, you’d see why this is short-sighted, and will blow up politically by further isolating us from the rest of the world. Short-sighted, and morally corrupt; yup, you’re a conservative.
April 24th, 2007 at 12:59 pm“So your solution is to let them carry out their attacks so we don’t breed anymore terrorists?”
i lost my dog, false choice. has anyone seen my dog?
April 24th, 2007 at 12:59 pmmental midget said:
I don’t beleive it works because there has not been another U.S. attack since 9/11. I believe it works because it has stopped planned attacks since 9/11 in the U.S.
Can you prove that it has stopped attacks above and beyond what non-tortuous methods that follow Geneva conventions would have?
April 24th, 2007 at 1:02 pmComment by pgw
Bingo.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:03 pmWhen I think about how the Founding Fathers, when constructing our criminal justice system, declared that it was better for 100 criminals to go free rather than one innocent person to go to jail”, and this Conservative mindset that it’s “okay” if innocent people are imprisoned on the SUSPICION that someone else they capture in the process MAY kill 20,000 in some future (preventable?) attack… must have our Founding Fathers rolling in their graves.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:03 pmBarfly — ending the Cold War was a priority at the time.
Bruce Gorton — when they were freedom fighters, he praised them — when they provided refuge to Osama bin Laden, engaged in mass killings of Shi’ites and ethnic Uzbeks, Turks, and Tajiks, and placed restrictions on the rights of Afghan women and children, Rohrabacher strongly rebuked the Taliban.
Mike — given the political make-up of his Congressional district, the speech will probably BUMP UP his next vote count.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:03 pmliberalism=mental disorder
Here is a very simple counter argument:
Clinton, from the first WTC bombing right up until the end of his reign only suffered one Islamic attack on American soil. All the others were foiled, without compromising America’s position as a world leader on civil rights, and without sending America into a war with no exit strategy.
Clinton did not engage in torture, did not legalise torture, he did not compromise America’s constitution and, ultimately, he managed to achieve the same result as GW Bush without doubling America’s debt.
Now, if you come back at me with embassy bombings, I will just simply point out to you that prior to Bush, England had never once been the victim of a Islamic terror attack. Further, I will point to attacks on all of America allies, as well as direct attacks on America’s troops.
Now, compare and contrast this to Bush. Bush has taken an approach which most of the world considers to be insane, and has thus consequently, achieved doubling America’s debt, removing America as a moral authority, and weakening America’s infrasture.
And there hasn’t been an attack on America ever since 9/11. Indeed, if you look at what has happened to America under the Republicans (Particularly with such stunning examples as Katrina) there was no need to attack America, America is falling apart all on its own.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:06 pm“Bingo.
Comment by Barfly”
no, bingo’s my other dog. he’s not lost.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:06 pmI don’t beleive it works because there has not been another U.S. attack since 9/11. I believe it works because it has stopped planned attacks since 9/11 in the U.S.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
All this faith based Realpolitic has gotten us, is into a quagmire. I believe if Bush had pulled troops out of Saudi Arabia, 9/11 would never have happened. I can’t prove it, but then, neither can you prove your assertion.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:07 pmI don’t beleive it works because there has not been another U.S. attack since 9/11
Comment by liberalism logic=the cause of my mental disorder — April 24, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
WRONG!
April 24th, 2007 at 1:07 pmHow conviently you forget the Anthrax attacks, as usual.
NEXT!
Can you prove that it has stopped attacks above and beyond what non-tortuous methods that follow Geneva conventions would have?
Comment by Lupeyg2
Watch the video of the link I provided above.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:07 pmHow come this site is not talking about the fact that Hamas sent a bunch of missiles at Israel today ending a 5 month truce? Oh that’s right. This website supports terrorism.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:07 pmBarfly — ending the Cold War was a priority at the time.
So was freeing the hostages –and arms shipments to Iran began months after Reagan taking office. It also spurred further hostage-taking by terrorists. It did nothing to end the cold war. The Soviet Union was on its last legs, but the CIA wanted to keep their lavish funding. so they told Reagan tales. Get real.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:11 pmWrong. Where I live, people are worried about not getting fired and taking food to their families, not fiction stories about evil doers lurking in the night to harm us. No one believe that “enemy†crap. Just like no body believe when JFK asked Mexico to support US in their illegal action against Cuba because of the Cuban threat. The Mexican official told Kennedy: if I just told that Cuba is a threat to Mexico, 40 million people will die laughing.
The same here. Your government has trained you well in fear techniques. You fear commies, arabs, Muslims, Russians, Central Americans, Illegal Aliens, Chinese…you fear, which is good for Profits that you wont be seeing.
Comment by Juan C
Our country is so bad, but at the same time people by the thousands cross over here illegally from your country? Hmmm, maybe you should look at your own government’s problems first.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:11 pmI did watch that video. Again, how are you going to prove that non-torturous interrogation methods wouldn’t have yielded the same results? You can’t. That’s the point.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:11 pm“Bingo.
Comment by Barflyâ€
no, bingo’s my other dog. he’s not lost.
Comment by pgw
B-I-N-G-O, B-I-N-G-O, B-I-N-G-O
and Bingo was his name-o!
April 24th, 2007 at 1:12 pmPiss off, Sappy.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:12 pm“This website supports terrorism.”
why? because this post is about dana rohrabacher, who “chose to hike into Afghanistan as part of a small Mujahedin unit.” it’s okay, they were freedom fighters then.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:12 pmHappy Guy
No, this web site doesn’t particularly deal with Israel. When Israel was bombing Lebanon there were screams of “Why aren’t you covering what Israel is doing in Lebanon?” for about five days before it started getting covered due to popular pressure on the subject.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:13 pmHG – head on over to free republic, talk about hamas all you want, and never slobber up these threads with your stupid ever again – deal???
April 24th, 2007 at 1:16 pm‘Yo J-rock; this isn’t the “bong cleaning tips” thread. But perhaps I’ll see you there ;)
April 24th, 2007 at 1:16 pmDRxJ — does mailing anthrax to Tom Dasche really count as a U.S. attack?
April 24th, 2007 at 1:16 pmThey WERE Freedom Fighters then, pgw — Benedict Arnold was once a brave U.S. soldier too.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:18 pmI assume the chair is a Democrat??
Why wasn’t he ruled out of order and told to stop immediately in mid-sentence? Who controls the mikes? Didn’t Sensenbrenner cutoff the mike of someone whose opinion he didn’t agree with?
Why are these people still being given a forum for their hateful speech?
April 24th, 2007 at 1:19 pmThe Architect – you sound like someone who used to frequent this board that I always found intriguing. While I recognize your introductory statement was derived from The Matrix, could you explain your comment about Shane stumbling upon the “solution” that was accepted by 99% of the test subjects? (comment #125).
April 24th, 2007 at 1:20 pmDRxJ — does mailing anthrax to Tom Dasche really count as a U.S. attack?
Comment by Jimmy Wales — April 24, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
Wow, there was only one anthrax mailing right after 9/11?
I guess what I watched on the news was misinformed.
Huh.
And those 5 deaths attributed to Anthrax being mailed?
And those congresspersons hording Cipro prescriptions.
And the whole nation in a panic to even open their mail?
Musta been a bad dream that I recall so vividly.
So, to answer your question non-sarcastically, YES!!!
April 24th, 2007 at 1:21 pmBruce Gorton-finally a well conceived approach to the other side of the discussion. To you statements regarding Clinton, I would have to say this-Clinton would not have been able to stop 9/11. He did not do much to stop Al Qaeda, he was just lucky in that there were not any attacks on U.S. soil. You can’t discount the embassy attacks though. They showed a trend that was coming and nothing was done to better prepare us. 9/11 had such great success that it automatically spawned new terrorists which needs to be dealt with. If 9/11 would have happened when Clinton was president, he would have made drastic decisions in response to the attacks. It’s not easy to say torture is okay, but it is even harder to do nothing and watch more attacks happen. I side with innocent people going about their lives over people with known terrorist ties.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:23 pmmatt
Feed someone enough rope…
April 24th, 2007 at 1:24 pmI did watch that video. Again, how are you going to prove that non-torturous interrogation methods wouldn’t have yielded the same results? You can’t. That’s the point.
Comment by Lupeyg2
The video clearly said waterboarding worked. Do you think terrorists are going to talk if you say please?
April 24th, 2007 at 1:24 pmWRONG!
How conviently you forget the Anthrax attacks, as usual.
NEXT!
Comment by DRxJ
How many people died fromt the Anthrax attacks?
April 24th, 2007 at 1:25 pmWell, DRxJ, I will note that Senator Leahy never opened his letter.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:27 pm“They WERE Freedom Fighters then”
so you think o.b.l. was a ‘freedom fighter’? you should run for mayor of karachi.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:28 pmliberalism=mental disorder — only five.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:29 pmHe did not do much to stop Al Qaeda, he was just lucky in that there were not any attacks on U.S. soil.
Comment by liberalism & intelligence= the cause of my mental disorder — April 24, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
And there you have it folks, the second dumbest post ever!
Clinton, though preventing numerous attacks on our nation, did it all through pure luck.
Bush, on watch during 9/11, was not to blame because he did not have Clinton’s good fortune, so, based on your scientific formula, one must conclude it still was Clinton’s fault.
You are simple, aren’t you IHL (had any good homophobic, violent fantasies lately??)
April 24th, 2007 at 1:31 pmHey MoonBatPatrol on post #183
Here’s your answer:
The 2001 anthrax attacks in the United States, also known as Amerithrax from its FBI case name, occurred over the course of several weeks beginning on September 18, 2001 (a week after the September 11, 2001 attacks). Letters containing anthrax bacteria were mailed to several news media offices and two U.S. Senators, killing five people and sickening seventeen others. The crime remains unsolved
So yes, 5 dead, 17 injured. that is considered an attack.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:34 pmYou are a simpleton, aren’t you?
“So yes, 5 dead, 17 injured. that is considered an attack.”
not to mention how much it cost the postal service/government
April 24th, 2007 at 1:35 pmliberalism=mental disorder
You are now either terribly misinformed, or outright lying. Ever hear of the “Day of Terror” plot? Just one of many examples of plots which Clinton’s highly active on terror, tenure saw thwarted. Further, all of the original WTC bombers were caught.
As a further example of how 9/11 could have been thwarted, all you need do is look at what Al Gore planned to push on airlines if he had won.
When Clinton left office, he was criticised on taking terrorism too seriously by the conservative movement.
On record, the two presidents come out with Clinton beating Bush on terror, as Bush, the month before 9/11 spent the entire month on Holiday ignoring a vital CIA report stating that Osama bin Laden was determined to attack the US. This, as his later years have demonstrated, was nothing unusual for Bush. He is the president who has taken the most vacations of any president in America’s history.
As to why I discount the embassy bombings, one need only contrast those bombings with attacks on America’s allies, which were more severe and tended to have more dire consequences. Further, the beheadings of American citizens in Iraq, aren’t exactly a sign of America’s great success in curbing terrorism.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:36 pmAnd there you have it folks, the second dumbest post ever!
Clinton, though preventing numerous attacks on our nation, did it all through pure luck.
Bush, on watch during 9/11, was not to blame because he did not have Clinton’s good fortune, so, based on your scientific formula, one must conclude it still was Clinton’s fault.
You are simple, aren’t you IHL (had any good homophobic, violent fantasies lately??)
Comment by DRxJ
Bush had been in office less than a year, he could not have known. Tie that to the fact that Clinton did not pass along all notes and info on Al Qaeda, Bush started without all the needed info. Nice try though. What attacks that Clinton stopped do you know about? none-that’s what I thought.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:38 pmliberalism=mental disorder
Clinton was in power for less then two months when the first WTC bombing happened. Wanna blame it on Bush Snr?
April 24th, 2007 at 1:41 pmRoger X2
You see it is like this, do you really want our troops just executing who ever they want in the field? You really think some 18 yr old should be able to make the decision if someone is a terrorist or if they are just someone in the wrong spot at the wrong time? That is why you are so very wrong. Yeah we hate terrorist, we ALL do, but you do not just go about killing anyone you want to call a terrorist. Kind of like the raping of that young girl and then killing the entire family after, with your sick logic, the troops could just say, “Hey, they were terrorist, we just applied field justice.”
Now you have shown that even though you realize that torture is wrong, that you are totally wrong and kind of twisted mentally really.
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily
April 24th, 2007 at 1:41 pm“Bush started without all the needed info”
by choice. and more than six years later his still has no interest in “all the needed info.”
April 24th, 2007 at 1:42 pmOh, and again, you are lying. Clinton did indeed pass on the required information, and specifically told Bush to watch out for Osama Bin Laden.
These are matters of public record.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:43 pmHmmm, maybe you should look at your own government’s problems first.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
Cuz that will make your problems go away…
April 24th, 2007 at 1:44 pmYou are now either terribly misinformed, or outright lying. Ever hear of the “Day of Terror†plot? Just one of many examples of plots which Clinton’s highly active on terror, tenure saw thwarted. Further, all of the original WTC bombers were caught.
As a further example of how 9/11 could have been thwarted, all you need do is look at what Al Gore planned to push on airlines if he had won.
When Clinton left office, he was criticised on taking terrorism too seriously by the conservative movement.
On record, the two presidents come out with Clinton beating Bush on terror, as Bush, the month before 9/11 spent the entire month on Holiday ignoring a vital CIA report stating that Osama bin Laden was determined to attack the US. This, as his later years have demonstrated, was nothing unusual for Bush. He is the president who has taken the most vacations of any president in America’s history.
As to why I discount the embassy bombings, one need only contrast those bombings with attacks on America’s allies, which were more severe and tended to have more dire consequences. Further, the beheadings of American citizens in Iraq, aren’t exactly a sign of America’s great success in curbing terrorism.
Comment by Bruce Gorton
I see you believe everything that the left wing blogs tell you. Your statement about Bush being on vacation is yet another lie propogated by the left and Michael Moore. I am not a fan of Bush, but hold criticism to actual events. Just because he is at his ranch or camp david, that does not mean he is not working. Clinton may have acted like he was taking terrorism seriously, but we both know that is not the case, why do you think Sandy Burger stole documents from the national archive when the 9/11 commision report was being worked on? As for the beheading in Iraq, that just shows how horrible our enemy is and we need to do more.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:45 pmClinton was in power for less then two months when the first WTC bombing happened. Wanna blame it on Bush Snr?
Comment by Bruce Gorton
okay
April 24th, 2007 at 1:46 pmCuz that will make your problems go away…
Comment by Juan C
If we can get Mexicans to stop coming across by the thousands everyday it will take away many of our problems. So yes, if you can get your government staightened out it will help us.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:47 pmGOP= Governmental Operations Prevented
Mission Accomplished, fascist neocon whores.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:48 pmOh, and again, you are lying. Clinton did indeed pass on the required information, and specifically told Bush to watch out for Osama Bin Laden.
These are matters of public record.
Comment by Bruce Gorton
No, Clinton said that he told Bush, it is not in public record. If so please show it.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:50 pmliberalism=mental disorder
Which is the common recant. However, seen as I was actually alive at the time of Hurricane Katrina, and watched the news of it quite closely, the old canard that Bush’s ranch was like a second Whitehouse frankly, does not ring true. Indeed, it strikes me as a complete lie.
The fact is my opinion of Bush is not based on what liberal blogs tell me, it is based on what factual evidence tells me and the factual evidence tells me that GW Bush is a stuff-up as a president, who has a habit of taking way too much leave. If he were my employee I would fire him, but things which would get you fired in any normal line of work don’t seem to apply to presidents.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:51 pmClinton may have acted like he was taking terrorism seriously, but we both know that is not the case,
Comment by lack of liberalism=mental disorder — April 24, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
Okay, here’s where you can earn dubious honors for formulating a great debate. Please provide proof (links, articles) that debunks the Clinton was tough on terrorism aspect.
April 24th, 2007 at 1:52 pmOtherwise, your post is entirely projection, and is meaningless.
This guy is a (R) for ridiculous.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:01 pmOn August 11, 1999, Clinton commuted the sentences of 16 members of FALN, a violent Puerto Rican nationalist group that set off 120 bombs in the United States mostly in New York City and Chicago, convicted for conspiracies to commit robbery, bomb-making, and sedition, as well as for firearms and explosives violations.
HE PARDONS TERRORIST – IS THAT NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy
How many links will it take? I will post one a day in your honor. ROTFL
April 24th, 2007 at 2:04 pmBush supporter: “I would have to say this-Clinton would not have been able to stop 9/11.”
Well, the republican congress certainly didn’t make it any easier for him. Clinton and Gore, at various times, pushed for reinforced cockpit doors, armed airmarshals on all domestic flights and tougher check-in restrictions at airports. Each time Clinton and his people proposed measures such as these, they were ignored by the repub congress because of airline industry lobbyists.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:06 pmThis is just beyond belief.This is essentially the same thing as burning witches at the stake,and here we have one of our so called reps saying that its justified.What next,cutting the hands off of thieves?And how does this kind of behavior differ from that of terrorists?I can’t believe whats happened to our country.Multiple sadness.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:10 pmA news story counts as public record.
Anyway, I’ll do you one better mental disorder, I’ll prove that Bush was briefed by pointing you towards… tum te tum…
That is from the 9/11 report. Clinton’s statement that he warned Bush is verified by implication throughout the whole thing, and further, Clark was a holdover from Clinton’s reign so to claim that Bush in his first term was without full knowledge of the facts that Clinton knew about, is simply stupid.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:12 pm“HE PARDONS TERRORIST – IS THAT NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU!!!!”
nope, that hand does not beat rohrabacher’s ‘i fought alongside future al-qaeda members’ stories.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:13 pmBill Clinton ignored repeated opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist allies and is responsible for the spread of terrorism, one of the ex-president’s own top aides charges
Another one about the serial sexual molester supporting terrorists like you people do.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/12/5/153637.shtml
ROTFL – Gee DRxJ, this is easy, ROTFL
April 24th, 2007 at 2:15 pmThe fact that 9 Palestinians were killed by Israeli missiles over the weekend might have something to do with any response by the Palestinians don’t you think there unhappy guy?
I think any “truce” was ended by the Israelis. Why do you suppose Israel would start the violence up again?
“The rockets fell after nine Palestinians were killed in fighting with Israel over the weekend. Most of the dead were militants, but Palestinians said at least two civilians, including a 17-year-old girl, were killed.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18286081/
April 24th, 2007 at 2:15 pmHappy Guy
A claim which has been debunked by the CIA guys who were there. We covered all of this on this site when “Path to 9/11″ came out.
Try again.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:17 pmHow are the republican thugs still bullying witnesses with the democrats “in charge”. Did this last election really happen, or was it a figment of our imagination? From this and many many stories over the last 4 months, it appears that the republicans are still running the show (not the American people, in any case).
April 24th, 2007 at 2:19 pmwow, a newsmax link and a hotair link in the same thread!
April 24th, 2007 at 2:20 pmHappy dude.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:22 pmYou linked to a right wing, advertising anti-liberal propaganda news site, and take that as fact?
ROTFL
Project much?
princess, you really are a dumb f*ck
LMAO
Mike Grello
Not really. What I see there is a Republican going hysterical because he is losing, I doubt the witnesses were overly intimidated, or even particularly impressed.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:27 pmWhat is your problem? I link to sites that tell the truth. Not the lies and liberal propoganda you people read. You anti-Americans link to your lies every day and ignore the truth. You never have facts. Make fun of FOX news and conservative sites all you want but they tell the truth more than any left-wing-nut site (like this).
Yes or No – Did Clinton commuted the sentences of 16 members of FALN, a violent Puerto Rican nationalist group?
Yes or No A$$holes – ROTFL. Keep ignoring the truth, it hurts you too much to answer. You asked for an example and there it is. Answer the question for once or I will post it on ever topic here every day until you admit the truth. Bill Clinton let terrorists go free.
ROTFL
April 24th, 2007 at 2:55 pmCome on ass-wipe. You asked for links. Here they are. Even your left-wing propaganda machine CNN could not hide this one. ROTFL
Clemency Offered to FALN Terrorists
http://www.providence.edu/polisci/students/clinton_pardons/high_profile.html
Bill Clinton pardons controversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy
Clinton offers clemency to 11 Puerto Rican independence activists
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/puertorico/clemency-faln.htm
JUDICIAL WATCH VICTORY IN PARDONGATE: FEDERAL COURT RULES DOCUMENTS ON CLINTON PARDON OF PUERTO RICAN TERRORISTS ARE PUBLIC
Documents Had Been Withheld for Over One Year by Clinton-Gore Administration
http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2001/printer_838.shtml
April 24th, 2007 at 3:02 pmBut, but, but…
April 24th, 2007 at 3:06 pmJack Bauer says torture works every time…
DRxJ asked for links that showing Clinton was soft on Terrorism. Now he keeps changing the topic and making disparaging remarks. So I think this should be posted so he cannot ignore the discussion. Clinton let terrorist go Yes Or No? Look for it any time you post until you tell the truth for once.
35 in Congress back resolution condemning Clinton FALN clemency
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/09/08/congress.faln/index.html
Clemency Offered to FALN Terrorists
http://www.providence.edu/polisci/students/clinton_pardons/high_profile.html
Bill Clinton pardons controversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy
Clinton offers clemency to 11 Puerto Rican independence activists
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/puertorico/clemency-faln.htm
JUDICIAL WATCH VICTORY IN PARDONGATE: FEDERAL COURT RULES DOCUMENTS ON CLINTON PARDON OF PUERTO RICAN TERRORISTS ARE PUBLIC
April 24th, 2007 at 3:06 pmDocuments Had Been Withheld for Over One Year by Clinton-Gore Administration
http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2001/printer_838.shtml
Early in 2001 ,DCI Tenet and Deputy Director for Operations James Pavitt gave an intelligence briefing to President-elect Bush, Vice President–elect Cheney, and Rice; it included the topic of al Qaeda. Pavitt recalled conveying that Bin Ladin was one of the gravest threats to the country.25
Bush asked whether killing Bin Ladin would end the problem. Pavitt said he and the DCI had answered that killing Bin Ladin would have an impact, but would not stop the threat.The CIA later provided more formal assessments to the White House reiterating that conclusion.It added that in the long term, the only way to deal with the threat was to end al Qaeda’s ability to use Afghanistan as a sanctuary for its operations.
That is from the 9/11 report. Clinton’s statement that he warned Bush is verified by implication throughout the whole thing, and further, Clark was a holdover from Clinton’s reign so to claim that Bush in his first term was without full knowledge of the facts that Clinton knew about, is simply stupid.
Comment by Bruce Gorton
Once again it is what certain people “said”. “Pavitt recalled’???? Where are the documents?
April 24th, 2007 at 3:12 pmHappy Guy
The sites you link to have been discredited. It is like linking to Ann Coulter, a known liar.
As to FALN. Yes, he did. And do you know what? Liberals disagreed with him doing it. Hillary stood against him on it too. Salon, a leftwing site, is not shy about its disagreement with him on that issue.
But of course, what you didn’t mention was that the FALN pardons were for people who had already served 19 years or more in prison for their crimes. Further, the FALN terrorists were not Islamic, and therefore have no bearing on the issue at hand.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:13 pmliberalism=mental disorder
Are you saying that you don’t believe the 9/11 commision report, commonly criticised for being too lenient on the sitting president, is a public document?
April 24th, 2007 at 3:19 pmOh, and another thing Happy Guy
Until you can show that the FALN guys became engaged in terrorist activity after their pardon, your argument falls flat. You need to show that the pardon effected America and promoted terrorism, and the only way you can do that is by showing those guys being active in a FALN cell post release.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:30 pmWow. I thought “liberalism=mental disorder” had some sense when I was talking it yesterday. I can see I was wrong. Sorry.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:44 pmwow, leave for an hour (to trya and fix a bug in a software program caused by Windows Vista), and Happy Dude issues a challenge (stolen from the Drudge Report, of course, since he cannot actually think on his own)
April 24th, 2007 at 3:46 pmBill Clinton, soft on terror, yes or no was the challenge.
I guess, yes, if you consider the Puerto Rico Independence Nationalists, after serving 17 years, to be imminent threats. But if I recall, weren’t they mostly senior citizens by then (in fact, wasn’t one a grandmother?)
And since you really never answered by initial challenge, I’ll start a second one:
What former Puerto Rican Nationalists went on to other perform other terrorists attacks in the United States.
I will need names and date of actual attacks
ROTFL
you are so cute when you get pissy, princess
LMAO at you, stupid a$$wipe
Are you saying that you don’t believe the 9/11 commision report, commonly criticised for being too lenient on the sitting president, is a public document?
Comment by Bruce Gorton
It goes by what somebody said. The 9/11 commission report stated that Pavitt recalled saying it. I don’t dispute that he stated that to the 9/11 commision, I dispute that he ever said anything to the Bush administration.
April 24th, 2007 at 4:01 pmwow, a newsmax link and a hotair link in the same thread!
Comment by pgw
The hotair link was a video of Brian Ross speaking.
April 24th, 2007 at 4:03 pmI can’t wait to see this on Daily Show!
April 24th, 2007 at 4:10 pmliberalism=mental disorder
Except it would be easy enough for the commision to check. Records are kept of when meetings are held (Not always open to the public, but the comission would have been able to check) and more then one person verified his statements.
So, what we have here is my statement holding some very strong support, and your statement relying on the “Well I think they are lying” defence. My statement is backed by a certain amount of evidence, including Clinton’s own words, the words of the 9/11 report as well as a certain degree of general knowledge, yours is based on what exactly?
Indeed, it would seem to me that your statement is unlikely to be true simply due to the fact that staff members who were in the know as it were, were held in common between the two presidents. Clarke is an example of this.
Clarke, BTB, also tried to warn Bush. http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/26/rice-clinton-plan/
Thus, in terms of debate you lose. You need to support your assertion, that there was no hand over of knowledge, I feel that I have supported mine that there was perfectly adequately.
April 24th, 2007 at 4:21 pmI think anyone that says its ok to kidnap, imprison and torture an innocent american citizen with no due process, removing their citizen’s constitutional rights, and nullifying the Declaration of Independance should have the same thing done to them and 1 family member for each instance of this occuring to others.
What is there left to defend if, the idiots in power destroy our American way of life..??.. By zealously protecting themselves and their ill-begotten fortunes from “just in case” or “we’ll get the bad guys by getting ALL of the guys” ??
If the penalties for white collar crime (including government employees) were much stiffer, such as for frauding 2000 employees of their pensions.. you get 2000 counts of theft, or frauding 2 million share holders, or 50 million US citizens, you get 30 years to life… i know for a fact we would finally have some integrity in the world of rich people and politics. Currently, there are no real stiff penalties for being a Rich criminal. You get slapped a few times, and sent off to write and sell a book and get paid millions by your buddies in the corporate world.
April 24th, 2007 at 4:23 pmRep. Rohrabacher, I hope it’s a member of your family that gets abducted to an unknown country and tortured.
April 24th, 2007 at 4:50 pmOops, Mr Rohrabacher…sorry we accidentilly detained your son/daughter/wife/brother/sister in a secret prison and subjected them to torture…we can’t worry about accidentally locking up one innocent if it means catching “terrorists”.
April 24th, 2007 at 4:51 pmJudas steaming, foaming, raving mad Priest.
Truly the £µ©λing end times are upon us.
The day that a sitting representative of the United States of America, the once-great democracy and bastion of freedom, can say with a straight face that it’s “better that one person should be mistakenly kidnapped and tortured” …
Mistakenly kidnapped and tortured.
I’m so glad he makes the distinction.
Anyone defending kidnap and torture really should try it for themselves and their families. That naturally includes anyone posting comments above favouring said practices.
April 24th, 2007 at 5:08 pmBut I had to say those things. They want to kill us! Sometimes I see a picture of Osama bin Laden and pee my pants. My wife has to check under the bed every night to make sure there aren’t any bombs (I wait in the bunker). I called the NSA and tried to give them an anonymous tip about everyone in my neighborhood and they just said “Put down the bottle Mr. Rohrabacher.”
Why won’t anyone listen to me?
April 24th, 2007 at 5:57 pmThat’s the price “We” pay? What do you mean we you fat prick?! You’re sitting in your comfy chair in an air conditioned room after you drove to your cushy job in your Mercedes, BMW or what have you from your half-million dollar house.
Yeah your horrible plight surely compares to the guy that got snatched off of the street for the horrible crime of being, looking or sounding Muslim and was put through agonizing pain to obtain information that he never had.
I remember sitting in English class in high school and reading one of the quotes my teacher had on his walls… “It’s better to free a hundred guilty men that jail one innocent man” (or something to that effect).What a bastard. Only a fat, rich over indulged idiot in this country that is in dire need of of a junior high school level civics class (despite being a law maker in this country) would say something that f*cking ignorant and think it made perfect sense. What the hell happened to the intellect of this country?
April 24th, 2007 at 6:35 pmIs there any evidence that extraordinary rendition has led to good ntel? Is there any evidence that doing so has prevented a single terrorist attack?
April 24th, 2007 at 6:35 pmI don’t know that it is necessarily better to free a hundred guilty men than jail one innocent man.
April 24th, 2007 at 6:37 pmThe hotair link was a video of Brian Ross speaking.
Comment by liberalism=mental disorder
More unnamed sources, in the CIA?
You (and Michelle Malkin) will swallow anything. What a pair of suckers.
This is the same CIA that built up the USSR as a threat to the Free World while it was collapsing internally, to keep their black ops continuing, and fully funded.
You want to present real proof? Show us the tapes of this waterboarding that you (and they) claim was so successful, and useful. Otherwise, your buying the same CYA nonsense from the same source that got us into this mess. And so is Brian Ross.
April 24th, 2007 at 7:04 pmThe land of the free and the home of terrified.
April 24th, 2007 at 7:39 pm“I don’t know that it is necessarily better to free a hundred guilty men than jail one innocent man.”
Unless the one man is your son or husband, right?
April 24th, 2007 at 8:40 pmsoo… umm we dont want to torture someone because he has a “bad name” but we will, and when that innocent man confesses and divulges the in depth plans of whatever terrorist mastermind that he can make up in order to end the torture, we’ll label it evidence, justification even. Yet on the other hand, if you release this victim of in-terror-gation, you’ve created yet another reason for a man to blow himself up.
April 24th, 2007 at 8:43 pmPlease someone who can – post this video on Youtube.
April 24th, 2007 at 8:52 pmI’m surprised no one has shouted Joe down, as his comment was one of the worst: “Four years ago, most of the audience would have stood up and cheered when he said that.” Not even close.
Even weeks after 9/11, most people around the world (including the US) would’ve been horrified to hear someone in our government say that. Bush is dumb as a post, but even he’s not dumb enough to say that. If he had, we would’ve had to impeach or recall him to keep the rest of the world from tearing us a new asshole. Although I’m sure I know people who would’ve thought it was ok as long as it didn’t affect them, I don’t know anyone who would’ve been stupid enough to admit that out loud, much less cheer openly about it.
P.S. – They have a typo on the screen. It should say “Subcommittee on Human Rights Abuses”.
April 24th, 2007 at 8:54 pmpengy; youv’e got it backwards. The Reichwingnuts would rather hang 1000 innocents, rather than let one guilty man go free.
April 24th, 2007 at 8:56 pmSeems typical of the bush administration, our (paranoia & greed driven) will at any price.
Excusing the state and defying it’s own laws is a pretext to widening the definition of terrorist to insurgent, dissenter and finally citizen …
April 24th, 2007 at 9:26 pmDana Rohrbacher is a lower form of life than athlete’s foot fungus.
April 24th, 2007 at 9:29 pmLOL. You should have seen Michael Scheuer’s comments!
April 24th, 2007 at 10:36 pm
This man should resign his seat immediately, or else face the outrage of the public over his despicable and tasteless comment. How dare a representative of the United States Congress wish harm to ANYONE’s family from an act of terror.
If Don Imus can be held accountable for his comment, a Congressman can certainly be held accountable for wishing harm to constituents during an official hearing.
Un-fucking-believable.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:40 pmDana Rohrbacher and HIS family…
…should become…
…Scott’s lawn and garden fertilizer…
April 24th, 2007 at 11:00 pmI guess I must be dumb, what is the damn point of just hollering and interrupting the hearing? Why don’t they do something worth getting arrested for, like throw a damn brick at the guys head or something? If you gonna protest, give the guys something to remember, like throw a brick or a m-80 firecracker to scare the crap out of them?
I just don’t get the damn point of that crap…
-The Populist
April 25th, 2007 at 4:08 amThis is pitiful. The American government has officially moved to being “above the law” Screw Big Brother-this is big daddy now. Unfortunatly it will only get worse. With a dumber population voting there will be another Bush elected very soon.
April 25th, 2007 at 7:25 amEarth to Rohrabacher: Adolf Eichmann got a public trial.
April 25th, 2007 at 7:34 amGood morning DRxJ. If you are a doctor you must be a self examining proctologist. ROTFL
You issued a challenge saying if there was any evidence Bill Clinton was soft on Terrorists and proper documentation and link are provided you would discuss rationally (I paraphrase). I mention the well know incident of him releasing terrorists. You still do acknowledge it was a bad thing. Other libs on this site say they thought it was bad also, but you refuse and even make up excuses. You can never admit things outside you own twisted liberal little world.
ROTFL (yes, you lose again) ROTFL
By the way, I thought you were not going to get into discussions with me anymore. I guess you lost again! Paint an “L†on your head before you go out today.
ROTFL
You are small. You are a loser.
April 25th, 2007 at 8:09 amhow sick and irresponsible was that! elected leaders are supposed to be above the fray offering assurance of responsible governing and protection to the American people, but instead this congressman happily dances around in the muck as long as it keeps people on pins and needles and keeps profits up.
April 25th, 2007 at 9:15 amwhat do you expect from a jew? Rep. Rohrabacher should be send back to jewland and let the USA to the real americans.
April 25th, 2007 at 9:20 amAh, a true member of the “Progressive†clan. Bigotry and hatred. At least one of you anti-Semitic a$$holes shows their true colors.
That is why you people hate the war, you want the terrorists to kill the Jews.
Where is that stupid loser DRxJ? Is his mommy letting him sleep late today?
ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL
April 25th, 2007 at 10:14 amIs this the same United States of America where George Washington fought the Revolutionary War and became our first president? Where did they take Col Ann Wright when she was removed? Perhaps to a nice little off shore torture facility? Are we losing our minds here? When is this crap going to end? I wish I had enough money to move to France where our family had to leave because Louie and the Catholics were going to kill us. Bush and the neocons are every bit as treacherous.
April 25th, 2007 at 11:56 amHappy Guy
Frankly, posting BS under another name and then calling it a typical liberal post does not impress us. Indeed, it simply makes us feel that you are somewhat of a twit.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:29 pmI have never made a post to this site under any other name, maybe that is your style, but not mine. I would swear to God on that, but it would mean nothing to you atheists, bigots and generally paranoid moon-bats.
ROTFL
April 25th, 2007 at 12:41 pmBy the way moon-bat. When I think of this site, I think of this thread about Sen. Jonhson getting ill. Read the posts from your paranoid cohorts. It is so funny I use it as an example to people who ask me what the “progressive†group is all about.
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/13/sen-tim-johnson-d-sd-did-not-have-a-stroke/#comments
ROTFL
Using your own site as ammunition against you, I save the link to show others what lunatics you people really are!
ROTFL
April 25th, 2007 at 12:46 pmdo any Republicants remember when Bush said “Saddam Hussein is a brutal dictator who tortures his people?” apparently the irony is lost on them… torture is immoral, unreliable and un-American…
April 25th, 2007 at 12:58 pmWhile working as a legislative aide for a state senator in Washington earlier this year, I met with a group of human rights activists concerning the illegal harvesting of organs from Falun Gong practicioners in China. During the meeting, they produced a letter written by Rohrbacher addressed to the State Dept. decrying this activity (it was actually a very eloquent letter- I wonder who wrote it, actually) at which point I groaned, having grown up in So Cal… my point is, this guy is a true piece of sh*t. It sucked having to tell those people that (in a round-a-bout, tactful way), because they were so nice, and it’s such a tragedy what’s happening in China. Another scumbag Republican showing his true colors… too bad we’ll never see this on MSM. Un-friggin believable. Yet, so typical…
when will this National Nightmare be over?
April 25th, 2007 at 2:02 pmBut you guys would prefer Saddam Hussein’s rape rooms were still open. Doesn’t that mean you support torture?
April 25th, 2007 at 2:30 pm“But you guys would prefer Saddam Hussein’s rape rooms were still open. Doesn’t that mean you support torture?”
Wonder if Rumsfeld got the tour.
Also seems like something a gay, gay-bashing meth using right wing preacher would like. Lots of them running around. Are you one?
Guess the moron neocon apologists with no concept of history also don’t think it such a big deal that Reagan and Bush I sent the weaponizable biolgical agents and helped Saddam use them on Iran.
April 25th, 2007 at 2:35 pmHey, whoa, I know Dana, I surf with him, knjow his wife, know his little kids and knew his brother till last week RIP. I’m a theoretical physicist working in gravitation theory so I think I’m qualified to judge character, (maybe not, how can say) and I can say unequivocally he is not an indication of the republicans, they are terrible, not Dana. I think what Dana was trying to say, not as eloquently as his usual addresses at hearings [after loosing his brother to cancer last week], was that regardless of what method of information gathering had to be employed for the purpose of preventing more loss of life, there was a predictable number of false positives, just like any judiciary process, and that he agreed it was not proper treatment. But he also said something off the cuff that was taken very badly by the blogosphere members that want to distinguish themselves in any forum, and paint things in ways they are not.
I heard him say and mean, that by NOT having any process in place at that time, the impression presented by the leadership of the administration was that loss would be assured.
Personally Dana and I disagree with many our presidents decisions, but also many times we both disagree with our president. But hes the type of guy that you can have a heated disagreement with one minute, then paddling out to the break the next as the best of friends.’
just so you know.
April 25th, 2007 at 3:53 pm>> I’m a theoretical physicist working in gravitation theory so I think I’m qualified to judge character, (maybe not, how can say)
Definitely not
April 25th, 2007 at 4:16 pmWell, call us oldfashioned in old Europe, but if we diagnose somebody as batshit insane, we tend to put that person in a mental institution, not in the house of reps.
April 25th, 2007 at 5:43 pmWill the USA ever make it into the 20th century? let alone the the 21st…
I’m with you Dana! In addition to the terrorists, we should also lock up the queers, dissenters, subordinates, minorities, and the homeless, only then will the nation truely be secure.
Comment by Jake
I think we should try this out on Jake first and make sure we have the technique perfected before we try in on Rohrabacher.
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Jake can’t make the connection that what he’s asking for goes directly against what this country stands for.
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The nation? Don’t you mean the Fatherland, Jake? And how would you continue to embarrass yourself online from behind bars?
Jesus, you people are dense. Is this your first day on the Internet? Have you never encountered sarcasm before?
April 25th, 2007 at 8:11 pmMy dear friends:
How dare this out right wicked person be allowed to stay in office with
April 25th, 2007 at 9:26 pmmost wicked mind set. Do know one thing for sure it was the feds behind 9/11 because there was to be change of the guard that day. Yes put place by the Supreme Court, raise out of a law suite from the farmers against the federal government and the banks for taking the farms.
This was to happen at 10:00AM in the morning. All credit card dept was to be cancelled. Yes no 757 crashed in to the Pentagon it was a buster bomb. Look they did Oklahoma bomb. Just do your research, Bush is nothing messed in his brain along with all around him. They are wicked control freaks, he is quality of ten thousand dying, and left many more homeless and he has put at this point $4.1 trillion dollar on the nations dept, Just go to the web site PUPLIC DEPT, and see for your eyes how it grows everyday, please cry my friend the future is not bright, sadly what has been done can be undone, the sun bitch took HATIS CORPUS AWAY FROM US, MEANING HE CAN COME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND SNATCH YOU OUT OF YOUR BED AND NO BODY WILL NOW WERE YOU ARE. AND the treatment done to so many regarding the rendition program, this is wicked the work of solely STATEN THE GREAT DEVIL AND this is the side Bush and his nit wit wicked people has taken to.
The Bible say “LIVE BY THE SWORD, DIE BY THE SWORD” Amen on this, and trust me it shall come to be on them wicked ones,yes let them be for warned. The Bible say for Jehovah God is not TO BE MOCK. And Bush has mocked Jehovah God. And he must will pay the price no matter what. He can have his retirement, he will sleep no never again will he sleep. How could this happen to this country. And know I lean last listening to COAST TO COAST AM, that they want to take vitamin C off the market. Stop and look for once do call someone on this. Vitamin has help in some many thing health wise, and they refuse to acknowledge it, they sleep it under the rug. So raise up be count, speak out against this wickedness and more importantly say yours prayers if any thing you do. Yes He hears our request. So I close and send all of you my love and wish you all the very best. Always faithfully yours, Sir Enrico Granse,Esq. 202 529-5309
I don’t usually like hypotheticals, but for a moment just imagine that you have been kidnapped and are to be rendered to an unknown country for interrogation.
You may or may not have been tortured, but you are in a strange place with people telling you to give them all the information you have or you will never see your home or your family again. Like most people, you have absolutely zero information about any terrorist activity, but they don’t believe you. You protest your innocence repeatedly, but they won’t have it — you were ‘arrested’ as a terrorist threat therefore you are a terrorist threat, end of story. You have no idea where in the world you are, no access to any legal representation or process and you don’t have any answers for these people.
What do you do?
You could continue to claim your innocence, you may be released at some point with no appology or you may be detained indefinitely. Your life will never be the same and chances are you will remain on a watch list for the rest of your “free” life, which whilst causing all sorts of problems for you and your family also costs taxpayers money and wastes valuable resourses that should be monitoring real terrorists.
Or you could make up something on the spot, give these people what they want, a little tidbit of information about some sort of potential terrorist act. Suddenly there is something to chase, something to prevent — but it isn’t real. All this time and effort following a dead end while real terrorist acts could be in the making.
Your tip, for instance could be a bomb under forth street bridge. The forth street bridge area is cleared, bomb squads are sent in etc. However the real terrorists may have in fact been planning an attack on the fifth street bridge, suddenly a lot of people have been diverted straight into the terrorist blast zone on a faulty piece of information. Or maybe whilst they are seeking to protect the forth street bridge, terrorists are setting up a massive attack on the other side of the country, but the chatter in terrorist networks was missed because they have a bona fide confession from an “arrested terrorist.”
And what happens to you since you lied to save your skin, well rest assured, you will be severely punished for lying and chances are you will finally be charged and sentenced by the Presidents military tribunal for leading everyone up the garden path.
Continuing on, what if the reason you were “arrested” was because you have a very similar name and features to a known terrorist? My bet is while they are certain that you are them, they will be crossed off the list as potential terrorists out there in the world threatening attacks. Handy that, not only is an innocent person being punished, but the real terrorist is still out there and no longer being persued and is therefore practically free to do what ever they will.
The bottom line is one innocent person rendered can cause all sorts of detrimental effects. It is a dangerous system for that reason alone, not to mention all the other reasons.
And for the record, I like most people here do not wish anybody harm, even Rep. Rohrabacher, that is what seperates us from the neo-cons who seem to enjoy using fear, pain and hate as political tools.
April 26th, 2007 at 12:35 amEx-CIA Director George Tenet says the intelligence extracted from terror suspects in the Agency’s “High Value Detainee†program, which includes so-called “enhanced interrogation techniques,†was more valuable than all the other terror intelligence gathered by the FBI, the National Security Agency and the CIA. In his first network television interview, the nation’s former top spy denied any torture took place, but tells Scott Pelley that the High Value Detainee program saved lives and allowed the U.S. government to foil terror plots. The interview will be broadcast on 60 MINUTES Sunday, April 29 (7:00-8:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:47 amthis is so ridiculous. he’s one jolly old folk.
interesting to see the discomfort some people seemed to have with the interruption. looked as if they thought about the right questions for a moment.
.~.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:22 pmMy note to the honorable congressman from California:
Congressman:
I have never in my life heard anything approaching the asinine comments you recently made on national television.
Then, after your foul tirade, you have the unmitigated nerve to add “Well, I hope it’s your families, I hope it’s your families that suffer the consequences,” wishing death on those who don’t agree with the idea of kidnapping innocent people from the streets of sovereign nations.
What are a few innocent lives to you, congressman? mere grist for your political mill?
Let me educate you, congressman: my family has already been victimized by men like you–if I thought it would do any good, I would include pictures of their faces, details of their lives and their deaths, but I know that nothing can persuade an ogre to be anything other than an ogre.
I will add, that other members of my family have already shed their blood to stop men such as you. Further, they were decorated for having done so by the very legislative body in which you pretend to serve. I am pleased, however, that none of them are still living and so they were spared being subjected to your vile statements.
I am both angered and deeply offended that we have come to the point where some corpulent fascist posing as a United States Congressman would dare to openly endorse terrorism for any purpose or for any end whatsoever.
You are both a scoundrel and a coward, congressman–not worthy to hold United States’ citizenship much less to represent the interests of its people.
You bring shame on this honorable nation and have offered insult to its entire citizenry as well as demeaned the men and women who fought to keep us free.
May 3rd, 2007 at 9:56 amAnd here’s one for you Augie Dogie:
I suggest that you start hanging out with a better class of individual–as an expert on gravity perhaps you may reason just why it is that turds roll downhill and, perhaps, you’ll have the sense to step aside the next time you see one rolling your way.
Odd thing: I had a death in my family recently–and it hasn’t led me to fascism.
I see from the honorable congressman’s website that he fashions himself as a Christian–another odd thing. Here from the book of Matthew:
18:12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, does he not leave the ninety and nine, and go into the mountains, and seek that which is gone astray?
18:13 And if so be that he find it, he rejoices more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
Clearly, the tenor of this parable has been lost on the good Christian congressman from California.
May 3rd, 2007 at 10:34 amNot one comment made by one of you liberal Democrats has any defense, backing or strength to support your beliefs. You call Dana a terrorist for wanting to protect his country…… it is just like war……sacrifices will have to be made for the greater good. People will die in war, and war will always be around….it is not going anywhere. War has been since to beginning of time and will always be. There are evil people in the world that don’t like us or others because of what they believe in and all of you liberal democrats don’t give a DAMN about anyone but yourselves. When others around the world are suffering and being killed if you have the power you must step up and do something to help! Do you believe that before we entered the Middle East that none of the attacks a persecutions were occurring? If you did then your wrong! Israel would be wiped of the face of the planet if it was not for the U.S. Sadam would still be killing the innocent and ruling by fear if it was not for us. If people and American would learn and know that we have to stand up for ourselves such a tragedy as the Virginia Tech shooting could have been minimized. No one did anything when others need help. Many died and no one tried to stop the actions. Freedom doesn’t come free! It is fought for and earned. This is the same today as it was in the past. We became Americans by fighting for what we believed in…..we became free. Now we want to help others and all you can do is bitch, complain, and start propaganda to try to stop it. So don’t have the power or ability to fight the evil…..this is where the U.S. comes in…..we believe in freedom and want others to do the same! Every great super power to ever exist has always fallen in history! If we don’t protect ourselves (this would be from terrorist) and other throughout the world, than we will be the next to fall…………….and it will be sooner than later!
Quit smoking all that marijuana!
(if anything is miss spelled or grammer is incorrect, middle finger to you cause I’m not proof reading)
GOD Bless America! Have a wonderful day!
May 3rd, 2007 at 12:40 pmDear FU
Nice name–did you invent it all by yourself?
Here’s something I’m proud of, son: my family have been Democrats since the American Revolution–four of my ancestors fought to win American independence and we’ve been Democrats ever since; we’ve fought in every war since before this nation was a nation–for 165 years before, and I tire of having the patriotism of Democrats impugned by the likes of you.
We gave you what you have.
We’re not blaming the Congressman for wanting to defend this country, we’re blaming him for endorsing fascist methods to do so.
Sacrifices have to made for the greater good?
Tell me, FU, when was the last time you made a sacrifice? Ever taken up arms to defend this nation? Ever done one thing except drive daddy’s car and drink yourself stupid?
“Freedom doesn’t come free! It is fought for and earned.” “[S]acrifices will have to be made for the greater good.” “People will die in war, and war will always be around.” “War has been since to beginning of time and will always be.” “Every great super power to ever exist has always fallen in history” I’m wondering just how many truisms to you have in your sack. Stitch in time saves nine? A penny saved–can’t judge a book by it’s cover—when it rains it pours?
And then you’re off to Virginia Tech. You’re confusing one nut with another–we talking about a nutty congressman, not a nutty student. Are you arguing that if we had the Marines in place at Virginia Tech, no shootings would have occurred?
No one can care what you say, because you’re not saying anything.
No one is arguing that Saddam Hussein was a nice guy.
By the way, your response, scattered, illogical, and nonsensical as it was, also had numbers of grammar errors. Where do you go to school? Texas?
May 3rd, 2007 at 3:37 pmIdiots complaining when the idiots that they elected, make them all look like idiots. America, the greatest country in the world, just ask any American, they’ll tell you so. Ike gave you the warning, and you were too bloody dumb to heed it. As long as the War Machine drives your country, it’s never going to change. People who make the bullets, will make ways of using those bullets, so that they can make and sell you more bullets. And back the candidates, and dictate foreign policy to them.
May 3rd, 2007 at 3:47 pmTo quote Oliver Stone’s movie JFK: Lyndon B. Johnson: [to the Chiefs of Staff in the White House] Just get me the election; I’ll give you your damn war.
Just in from Al Qaeda
“If we have to kill 10,000 Americans to stop them from torturing just one innocent Muslim than it will be worth it. The Americans truly hate us and our way of life”
Bumper sticker John McCain bought in Baghdad said:
“Support your insurgents”
May 3rd, 2007 at 8:40 pmWhat’s really appalling about Rep. Rohrbacher’s comments is how closely it tracks to someone who is surely not one of his heroes: Lenin, who supposedly said something to the effect of “Better to shoot 99 innocent men to make sure you get the one guilty one.” Not to mention the very terrorists we are fighting, who think nothing of killing plenty of fellow Muslims as the price to be paid in the struggle against the non-Muslim world.
A couple other comments:
- How about if the U.S. government proposed to take away guns from every American, in order to prevent future Virginia Techs, Columbines, and the daily carnage of fun violence. Sure, that would penalize many honest, law-abiding gun owners, but surely a small price to pay? I suspect that Rohrbacher and his ilk might suddenly have a little more use for the constitional rights and rule of law they so cavalierly dismiss when it comes to rendered persons.
- According to Rep. Rohrbacher, it’s ok to subject a few innocents to extraordinary rendition as the price of preventing terrorist attacks that might kill thousands (?). Just what, I wonder, is the acceptable ratio or innocents rendered to estimated lives saved?
- “The price we pay” is really the price “they” pay. To restore the “we,” would Rep. Rohrbacher be in favor of offering apologies and financial compensation to those – like Maher Arar or Khalid al Masri – found to have been rendered although completely innocent?
May 3rd, 2007 at 9:18 pmDear Sim,
You are a true democrat! You stereotype and jump to conclusions without knowing a damned thing. I would be willing to bet that if you saw a picture of me you would probably bit your own lip for the diarrhea you’ve let flow off the tip of it. To begin, if your going to comment on someone else’s grammar, you may want to proof read you’re own first (Amateur).
You act like your family and you are the first and last democrats to serve your country in battle. You know I would not have responded if you first and not tried to make yourself look so great when you’re clearly a fake, and secondly you insulted my family. If you had called me a damn republican or conservative it would not have been a problem. It is nice to know that you have such a great family that has served this country. How many people in this country including myself do you think have family member that have served this country, and have family members that have fought for our independences that we have…..many, including myself.
O yeah and the “Truism” of mine that you quoted……..learn to know a definition fully before you try to full people into thinking that your intelligent. If people knew these things than way don’t they act like it! If you can’t agree with me that this country has lost a lot of its patriotism than you’re blind or have a serious case of tunnel vision. Which makes since because everything I spoke of above that you commented on you didn’t even compare with the correct items: V. Tech for one, “No one cares what you say because you’re not saying anything.” What are we 3 years of age? Do you’re parents know that your on the internet.
By the way my fathers a drunk and never gave me a thing! I worked and paid my way through college, graduated, now drive a nice truck that I bought, and I own my own place. It’s called hard work and doing what you believe in. O….. and I’m from Georgia where the education is worse than 48 other states, but I ‘m making more money out of college than most people than most do by the time they retire! I’ve fought and worked hard for everything I own and have accomplished in my 25 years of living than most do in a life time!
“It’s hard to balance justice, but know you went through the day doing what is right can bring you peace.”
GOD bless America!
Have a great day!
May 4th, 2007 at 1:59 pmDear Sim,
You are a true democrat! You stereotype and jump to conclusions without knowing a damned thing. I would be willing to bet that if you saw a picture of me you would probably bit your own lip for the diarrhea you’ve let flow off the tip of it. To begin, if your going to comment on someone else’s grammar, you may want to proof read you’re own first (Amateur).
You act like your family and you are the first and last democrats to serve your country in battle. You know I would not have responded if you first and not tried to make yourself look so great when you’re clearly a fake, and secondly you insulted my family. If you had called me a damn republican or conservative it would not have been a problem. It is nice to know that you have such a great family that has served this country. How many people in this country including myself do you think have family member that have served this country, and have family members that have fought for our independences that we have…..many, including myself.
O yeah and the “Truism” of mine that you quoted……..learn to know a definition fully before you try to full people into thinking that your intelligent. If people knew these things than way don’t they act like it! If you can’t agree with me that this country has lost a lot of its patriotism than you’re blind or have a serious case of tunnel vision. Which makes since because everything I spoke of above that you commented on you didn’t even compare with the correct items: V. Tech for one, “No one cares what you say because you’re not saying anything.” What are we 3 years of age? Do you’re parents know that your on the internet.
By the way my fathers a drunk and never gave me a thing! I worked and paid my way through college, graduated, now drive a nice truck that I bought, and I own my own place. It’s called hard work and doing what you believe in. O….. and I’m from Georgia where the education is worse than 48 other states, but I ‘m making more money out of college than most people than most do by the time they retire! I’ve fought and worked hard for everything I own and have accomplished in my 25 years of living than most do in a life time!
“It’s hard to balance justice, but know you went through the day doing what is right can bring you peace.”
May 4th, 2007 at 2:01 pmIt’s on you Republican Conservative Miss Rep Rohrabacher
May 5th, 2007 at 10:15 amThis guy is a typical Republican. Use scare tactics!! If this Iraq mess is so worth continuing to this loser, let him send all of his flesh and blood to get blown to bits!!! Put your family where your mouth is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
May 5th, 2007 at 10:26 amfinally they tell the truth-what a plan-to use the fear of the bombs of others to take US out-again Karl Rove(Comez) has no finger prints
May 5th, 2007 at 10:32 amI like Muslims.
May 5th, 2007 at 11:29 amDana Rohrabacher will never serve. Neither will any member of his immediate family. So it’s okay for him to shoot off his filthy mouth and advocate for policies that will allow other family’s children to be mistreated and tortured in the prisons of whichever country they happen to be captured in. Now THAT’S what I call “supporting the troops”. God forbid we ever end up in a ground war with China, Russia, Iran or any other country; we can now expect our troops to treated EXACTLY the way people were treated at Abu Ghraib. F*ck you Dana, and f*uck anyone who is stupid and cowardly enough to agree with your insanity.
May 5th, 2007 at 12:52 pmHello…..duh, this man needs to be committed to the nearest mental ward and held for as long as it takes to cure him…I hear that he is a “terrorist” and needs to be rendered to Syria or Egypt for interrogation…wonder how HE would like that!! What a nut-case…when is he up for re-election…maybe he needs a wake-up call when he is defeated!!
May 5th, 2007 at 1:33 pmRohrabacher is just proving that many Republicans in Congress have become Nazi thugs.
May 5th, 2007 at 4:40 pmThe Christian Golden Rule principle should be applied and adapted – “Torture others as you would have others torture you.”
May 5th, 2007 at 4:41 pmRohrabacher should be ecstatic his name does not sound remotely alike to, say, Josef Mengele. If it did, he could be immediately detained and tried for genocide (because he would have had a similar name, mind you) in Nuremberg.
I would not mind torturing him a little to make him aware that his name is so similar… It sure would be lot better to waste one Rohrabacher rather than let potential mass-murderer escape. And Rohrabacher should not mind that at all, because we would waste the one for the good of the many.
May 5th, 2007 at 4:42 pmRemember it was Rohrabacher who was an enthusiastic supporter of the mudjahadeen in Afghanistan in the 80s. Encouraged arming the most anti-western of Afghans and Arab volunteers.
Many of the Afghans among them became the Taliban, the Arabs among them became the core of al Qaeda. It’s where bin Laden put together his first ‘mailing list.’
May 5th, 2007 at 7:11 pmRepublicans hate Americans.
Americans hate Republicans.
Rohrabacher hates America.
I say we round up all the Republicans and send them back to North Korea.
I’m not kidding. I really think they’d be much happier there.
-dwvr
May 5th, 2007 at 10:16 pmAnyone know the address of the war crimes tribunal at the Hague? I’d like to send them this clip. This dude is admitting to war crimes. The minute he is out of office he should be handed over.
May 5th, 2007 at 11:03 pmPolitics is so simple-minded these days, I suggest politicians need to take a test. This would consist of one question,”Do you, or have you ever supported torture?” The answer should either garner them support or throw them out of politics forever.
May 7th, 2007 at 7:55 amI have just launched a site asking for this fear monger to apologize to the American people.
May 14th, 2007 at 5:29 amhttp://apologizerohrabacher.com/
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