I Googled for something completely different, but found your page…and have to say thanks. nice read.

Debt control services debt nationally who offers debt control.

You don’t lead by pointing and telling people some place to go. You lead by going to that place and making a case. ~ Ken Kesey

Well. Who are we surrendering to, exactly? The insurgents that we armed before, or the insurgents that we’re arming now? The people we went over there to liberate, or the people that we’re now an occupying force over?

Then again, assuming it’s not ludicrous to call it “surrender”, so frigging what? We’re going to “surrender” eventually, unless we want to stay indefinitely…oh, wait. That was the plan all along. Never mind.

There’s no shame in surrendering an unholdable position. Unless you’re clinically insane.

Is this “global icing” you repeatedly refer to what Carl Sagan called “nuclear winter”? That would be my guess, but it is only a guess.

If so – “nuclear winter” is an entirely different matter from “global warming.” These are different predicted phenomena, with different bases; to try to claim this as a situation where “the left said one thing, and now it’s trying to say another” is to completely gloss over the scientific nature of the respective claims.

I am entertained when the New Age semantics crowd defines “withdrawal” and “re-deployment” as anything other than ’surrender”. In the FIRST place, a battle startegy is NEVER deliberately telegraphed to the enemy unless you are running a disinformation campaign. SECOND, this Congress is attempting to hamstring our military leaders and members by running these operations from DC. As I have noted before, the LAST great Democrat with a strong defense posture was JFK – - and I DO NOT mean that lying piece of work, JFKerry.

Tooodles…….

TP looks for a mountain settles for another molehill….

Valiant (gee, what an ironic moniker),

How is it un-American to desire for strategic redeployment away from the quagmire in Iraq (in which our presence is breeding MORE terrorists and FUELING alQaeda) and back into Afghanistan (which has quietly fallen back into the hands on alQaeda in our absense)? How is it un-American to save our soldiers lives from an unwinnable civil struggle (admitted to be thus by many military & political personnel including Vietnam War Hawk Kissinger) and countless billions of treasure?

It is more un-American to denounce your political opponents (who are sinply exercising their First Amendment right to free though and debate as well as practicing their democratic duty to question and criticize that which is clearly flawed) as tatamount to traitors than to propose our greatly-overstretched and over-burdened military focus on our (former?) Number One Most Wanted — Osama bin Laden.

Mmmmmm! Butter cream frosting!

Hating the Repuke Mafia daily

I propose you this:

1) no more insults
2) no more leftists/rightists are this, or that
3) no more written lying laughter (hahahaha, etc.)
4) no more lies
5) no more spell checks (in a bad way)
6) no more words to demean the other: son, sparky, little one, etc…
7) no more country references in order to describe the other
8) quotes with source
9) mo more broad generalizations.

I will apply these above for myself, too. Im trying to raise the debate. Just that. Are you in, Valiant?

So, anonymous posters represent a whole political movement? Go over to Red State and see what bestialities you endorse, simply because they do.

Oh, please. Bush isn’t qualfied to oil the wheels of FDR’s chair. And he’s no modern-day Winston Churchill, either. If you want to compare him to another president, try Grant, or Hoover.

who is the left, are you kidding me? please. you know who the left is, just liek you know who the right is. or ar eyou the only one allowed to use terms like right and left as you did earlier?

and please nice way to excuse the left wingers in the 1970s when they used fear to get everyone to believe in Global Icing. Please, the left uses fear as much if not more than the right. Fact of life, if you don’t want to believe it, that is on you. Keep on burying your head in the sand.

I honestly believe that whether you are ex-President Clinton or current President Bush, you suffer immensely when you sign orders to have troops to go into battle. You do suffer as much as the families, as the mothers, fathers, and other family members when they lose a loved one in the battlefield.

As a President, you don’t only lose one son, or daughter. You lose many. FDR lost 250,000 soldiers in WWII, do you think he did not suffer the loss of each one of these brave soldiers.

Clilnton lost soldiers in Somolia and in Kosovo, do you not think he suffered immensley?

Bush the same thing.

Yes, you are right, with my insults I do more harm to my cause than good, that is why I will have meaningful and peaceful exchanges with those that treat me with respect. I only ask the same.