NPR reports, “In Afghanistan, the Taliban insurgency is spreading, even reaching some provinces in the north that had never been its strongholds. Last week, Taliban fighters attacked a district only 45 miles from the capital, Kabul. Afghans increasingly fear that NATO and Afghan forces will lose the war.”
Funny, how we originally invaded to eliminate the Taliban, isn’t it?
How is it this administration has gotten so much wrong???
Can all of this really be answered by mere incompetence?
Or is the reality more sinister?
April 26th, 2007 at 10:57 amLet’s have a big slow clap for the GOP, folks.
April 26th, 2007 at 10:58 amWhere is the vaunted “Northern Alliance”?
April 26th, 2007 at 11:01 amBush lit the fuse
let’s not be surprised when there’s an explosion
April 26th, 2007 at 11:02 amNot our problem. We have to focus on the more important war in Iraq. That’s where the oil and resources are.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:05 amHere is what Bush had to say about the Taliban in September 2004:
And as a result of the United States military, Taliban no longer is in existence. And the people of Afghanistan are now free. (Applause.) In other words when you say something as President you better make it clear so everybody understands what you’re saying, and you better mean what you say.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:06 amAn incredible irony of Afghanistan:
April 26th, 2007 at 11:06 amThe Taliban had nearly eradicted opium production across the region, as they saw it to be a harmful influence.
Opium production has now eclipsed all previous levels, and the Taliban are surreptitiously supporting its production.
Why?
To buy more weapons!
Did any other President lose two wars?
I’m just askin’.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:14 amToo bad we don’t have the troops for a “surge” in Afghanistan.
Where is the decider-in-chief when we need one?
April 26th, 2007 at 11:17 amImpeachment is in order. The offenses:
1. Reckless ineptitude/lack of demonstrated ability to hold the office of President of the United States of America.
2. Incompetent Management skills.
3. Failure to uphold the Oath of Office of President of the United States of America.
4. Faliure exercise fiduciary duties both financially, as the President of the United States of America and militarily, as Commander in Chief.
5. The overwhelming appearence of universal criminality under the Defendant’s Administration of the Executive branch of the Government of the United States of America.
6. Actions and performance degrading and detrimental to the office of President of the United States of America.
The Courts can take over from there.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:18 amIs it any wonder? They swoop in with helecopters, raid peaceful tribes and villagers looking for the Taliban, separate women/children and men, interrogate all men, destroy homes and personal posessions looking for weapons while showing no respect. Suspect males are tagged restrained and take away, interrogated, tortured and humiliated as a matter of standard proceedure.Many have reported being kept in boxes and cages.They are then dumped off a couple of weeks later. The goal is intimidation. The real result? a new enemy DUhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:20 amMaybe if Chimpy hadn’t LIED to start an unnecessary war in Iraq, we would have all the troops we need to beat the Taliban.
Chimpy and his crew are incompetent criminals and need to be removed from office.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:24 amMaybe toby keith can do another Taliban song
April 26th, 2007 at 11:24 amWhere is the vaunted “Northern Alliance�
Comment by OxyCon
back in the poppy business.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:25 amBecause Chimpy had a hardon for Saddam, he got us into two wars and will lose both of them.
Chimpy is an incompetent fool. He should have listened to the generals.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:30 amNobody likes to have his/her country occupated. Get used to it.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:33 amwow…that was really a bad english. Occupied.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:34 amMaybe if nations like France, were giving the military personnel that they promise and the money they promise to NATO, things would be better in Afghanistan.
Instead of blaming the United States, which compromises the majority of the NATO forces just like in Kosovo, why don’t you guys scream and cry about our European allies, who are NATO members who don’t know how to keep their promises to NATO.
Regardless of what thinkprogress.org wants its readers to believe, NATO is NOT losing in Afghanistan, that is ridiculous, proposterous and the left using fear to get its readers all riled up. so much for the right being the only one that uses fear to scare people into voting for their causes, eh?
here is thinkprogress.org, a self-proclaimed left wing site using fear to get its Liberals readers all riled up.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:37 amall the left has to offer is fear, doom and gloom. how truly sad for the left.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:39 am#16…. Juan
occupat-ional hazard :)
April 26th, 2007 at 11:45 ami’m sure benedict harry will make the announcement that the war is lost as soon as possible
April 26th, 2007 at 11:45 amTypical Repuke troll, lie and smear.
Its the Repukes who are the fear party. They’ve been using fear for years to scare Americans into voting for them.
We are in trouble in Afghanistan. That is a fact and no amount of lying will change it.
Stupid troll.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:46 amNobody likes to have his/her country occupated. Get used to it.
Comment by Juan C — April 26, 2007 @ 11:33 am
wow…that was really a bad english. Occupied.
Comment by Juan C — April 26, 2007 @ 11:34 am
no offense, juan, but that so could have been another “bushism” …
ah hahaha! … i loved it!
hey, meant to tell you but the thread was dead… the other day you told someone off by saying “we could discuss in spanish if you like”…
April 26th, 2007 at 11:46 amthat was RICH… a most excellent response…
Yesterday, Tom Delay accused Reid and Pelosi of treason for saying the war is going badly and we should get out.
Back during the Clinton administration, Tom Delay said the Kosovo war was going badly and we should get out.
Arrest Tom Delay for treason!!
April 26th, 2007 at 11:47 amtrooll(s) -
April 26th, 2007 at 11:48 amYOU ARE LYING AND YOU ARE A FOOL TO BELIEVE THE LIES.
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Valiantthehater –
Maybe it’s because the lives, military hardware, and economic resources being wasted in Iraq eclipses anything our NATO allies could provide. Then again, maybe that’s not a enormous gray elephant standing in the corner of the room.
Good luck.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:59 am“Maybe if nations like France, were giving the military personnel that they promise and the money they promise to NATO, things would be better in Afghanistan…
Regardless of what thinkprogress.org wants its readers to believe, NATO is NOT losing in Afghanistan, that is ridiculous, proposterous”
it’s funnier when you read the 2nd paragraph first. things are going great, but if they weren’t, it’s france’s fault.
April 26th, 2007 at 12:00 pmKaty and Raven…thanks for the support…
April 26th, 2007 at 12:01 pmI will try to re read what I just post. ;)
Meanwhile, back at the real War on Terror…
Why did we scale back our forces in Afganistan again? Oh, yeah, we “won”! Taliban defeated!
April 26th, 2007 at 12:02 pm#8…
Has he ever fought one? He started a conflict in Afghanistan and NEVER finished the job, only to look at Iraq because Saddam wanted to kill his daddy…
So, he’s a spoiled brat that thinks of no one but himself, and disregards everyone else in pursuit of HIS justice!
April 26th, 2007 at 12:03 pm“Did any other President lose two wars?
I’m just askin’.
Comment by George B. ”
i don’t think we’ve even had a president who started two wars before.
April 26th, 2007 at 12:04 pmGOOD, Explain what exactly is america doing in Afghanistan anyway……… what is the mission An Oil Pipeline
April 26th, 2007 at 12:09 pmCan you spell UNOCAL boys and girls?
April 26th, 2007 at 12:28 pmMany of these comments make me sad. Not only did the Iraq War remove the troops we needed in Afghanistan, but it seems to have removed much of the support of the American public.
Helping the Northern Alliance (now known as the Afghan government) to overthrow the Taliban/Al Qaeda regime is an example of what we should be doing in the world. We need to stand by popular democratic movements as they work to free their nations from murderous tyrants. We need to stand with democratic governments as they protect themselves and their people from gangs of homocidal thugs.
If George Bush announced tomorrow that he was pulling troops out of Iraq so that he could station a platoon to defend every girls’ school in Afghanistan, I’d stand up and cheer. But he won’t. Democracy, human rights, and fighting terrorism are nothing compared to not having to admit he was wrong.
April 26th, 2007 at 12:44 pmEr, “homicidal thugs.”
Although “homo-cidal thugs” describes the Taliban pretty well, too. Ever read about what they do to gay people.
Screw them. We should have closed the back door at Tora Bora, like John Kerry was saying.
April 26th, 2007 at 12:54 pm#5 Not our problem. We have to focus on the more important war in Iraq. That’s where the oil and resources are.
Comment by firehead — April 26, 2007 @ 11:05 am
We (and I mean the allies of the USA, including my country) are in Afghanistan ONLY because your country was attacked, idiot.
But hey, any time you want, we can leave, and this includes our economic help, that is a lot. Looks as if you want an even bigger debt for your country.
April 26th, 2007 at 1:28 pmAnd the US can’t help because Bush put our military resources in Iraq and then broke the Army. Do you understand you little idiots? He broke the Army – if Afghanistan goes down the tubes, we can’t do anything to help because we don’t have the people or the equipment to do it. America has never been this vulnerable to her enemies – and by the way, one of the suggestions for trying to fix his mess is to reinstate the draft – so all you fighting keyboardists better get out of Mom’s basement and start working out.
April 26th, 2007 at 1:41 pmis an example of what we should be doing in the world.
Comment by joe
Errr…no. You have done enough damage, already. Let every country deals with their own problems. It´s called sovereignity. Look it up.
April 26th, 2007 at 1:52 pmUnfortunately, Juan, the Taliban in Aghanistan are allied with Al Qaeda, a group that infringed OUR sovereignty and killed 3,000 of our people in our country. Can’t let that happen again. That’s why we and NATO are there.
April 26th, 2007 at 2:02 pmHow the hell would the terrorists defeat the world military? If that happens, we are basically saying we have lost and the terrorist can run freely. This cannot happen. If this is a concern, we need to increase funding and troops dramitically. There is no more important fight then the fight against terrorism.
April 26th, 2007 at 2:17 pmNo.. the more important fight is Greed and Corruption! This is the rot that causes people to lose hope. When you have no recourse politically or economically and you are backed into a corner… then you chose to fight or die. If you think throwing more money and manpower is going to solve anything, just look at the evil Soviet Empire. Don’t see it do you!
April 26th, 2007 at 2:52 pm“Let every country deals with their own problems. It´s called sovereignity. Look it up.
Comment by Juan C — April 26, 2007 @ 1:52 pm”
I disagree. I take more of an Eleanor Roosevelt position. Human rights trump sovereignty.
April 26th, 2007 at 3:03 pmRoger_Roger,
Every Al Qaedist in Iraq is going to end up in a ditch about fifteen minutes after we leave, because their ability to operate in the country depends on the support of the Sunni public. The only reason Iraq Sunnis – patriotic, nationalist types who don’t generally like a bunch of foreigners running around their communties and blowing things up – put up with the jihadis is because of our occupation.
We need to use our withdrawal as a tool to change the political dynamic in Iraq. Without us, there is no Al Qaeda there. Without Al Qaeda, there is no civil war. You people pay lip service to the need for a political solution, but you have no idea to bring one about.
April 26th, 2007 at 3:08 pmre#34 Joe
Your typical ignorance of other countries is the reason why Afghanistan is such a mess!
It is OBVIOUS that you did not know that the Northern Alliance was is charge before the Taliban, and the people accepted the Taliban as the lesser of two evils. (same reason why many people vote for Democrats instead of Republicans)
Those people had their full of the Northern Alliance in the past and did not wish to see them put back into power!
April 26th, 2007 at 4:13 pm#44 Your typical ignorance of other countries is the reason why Afghanistan is such a mess!
Comment by criticalthinker — April 26, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
*cough*Iraq*cough*WMD*cough*
April 26th, 2007 at 4:30 pmDubbie: 0-2
- first president ever to lose 2 wars (to two 3rd world, 4th rate powers) in 2 terms in office. Wow, buddy.
is that what he meant about “history” needing to make the final call on his endeavors?
April 26th, 2007 at 4:38 pmI watched a Canadian interview with some Indian correspondent several weeks ago. He said politicians in that country are convinced of a NATO Afghanistan defeat and are making appropriate plans, part. concerning Pakistan. It does not sound encouraging for world peace, let me tell you.
April 27th, 2007 at 12:17 am