Comments on: Breaking: Senate approves Iraq withdrawal bill. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:48:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Bruce Gorton http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/comment-page-3/#comment-3773315 Bruce Gorton Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:07:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/#comment-3773315 Ringo First thing: If, not when. Sorry it is not absolutely guaranteed that Osama would get his hands on Iraq's oil. But anyway, five things off the top of my head which he could do very easily: First: Arrest and charge the GOP's leaders who lied America into that war, with fraud, various abuses of power, and of course, war crimes. Torture is a war crime. This will serve to boost America's standing as a bastion of civil rights. The loss of that prestige caused by the Bush administration is part of what is costing you in world politics. Second: Massive funding into alternative fuels, and finding the alternative to the internal combustion engine. The basic funding for terrorism, is off of oil, get rid of the need for oil, and the guys who fund terrorism are kind of stuffed seen as unlike Israel, most of them have not invested in a highly educated, productive workforce. Instead the Middle East mostly invested in keeping its poorer population stupid and religious. (Note: As an atheist I do have certain prejudices here.) Third: Spies, spies, and more spies. A major programme to recruit and train guys who can speak the language of the enemy, without an accent, in order to infiltrate and destroy them. High end listening devices will be used in conjunction with a strong core of specialists who will understand what those listening devices pick up. This has historically been the weakest point of the Republican strategy - Republicans have been very keen on the toys and not terribly keen on hiring people who can get anything useful out of them. Fourth: Utilise the instability of the region to America's advantage by talking, yes, TALKING, to places like Syria, to groups like Hamas, and at least finding out what they want and whether they can be talked out of it. Talking does not cost much, and it does frequently help. Fifth: A major, real effort to capture Osama Bin Laden, while simultaneously, using every single resource possible to destroy his credibility. Osama is as powerful as he is now because he is a symbol, kill him and the movement remains, but if you can make him the symbol of something filthy, you can seriously wreck the movement. Ringo

First thing: If, not when. Sorry it is not absolutely guaranteed that Osama would get his hands on Iraq’s oil.

But anyway, five things off the top of my head which he could do very easily:

First: Arrest and charge the GOP’s leaders who lied America into that war, with fraud, various abuses of power, and of course, war crimes. Torture is a war crime. This will serve to boost America’s standing as a bastion of civil rights. The loss of that prestige caused by the Bush administration is part of what is costing you in world politics.

Second: Massive funding into alternative fuels, and finding the alternative to the internal combustion engine. The basic funding for terrorism, is off of oil, get rid of the need for oil, and the guys who fund terrorism are kind of stuffed seen as unlike Israel, most of them have not invested in a highly educated, productive workforce.

Instead the Middle East mostly invested in keeping its poorer population stupid and religious. (Note: As an atheist I do have certain prejudices here.)

Third: Spies, spies, and more spies. A major programme to recruit and train guys who can speak the language of the enemy, without an accent, in order to infiltrate and destroy them. High end listening devices will be used in conjunction with a strong core of specialists who will understand what those listening devices pick up. This has historically been the weakest point of the Republican strategy – Republicans have been very keen on the toys and not terribly keen on hiring people who can get anything useful out of them.

Fourth: Utilise the instability of the region to America’s advantage by talking, yes, TALKING, to places like Syria, to groups like Hamas, and at least finding out what they want and whether they can be talked out of it. Talking does not cost much, and it does frequently help.

Fifth: A major, real effort to capture Osama Bin Laden, while simultaneously, using every single resource possible to destroy his credibility. Osama is as powerful as he is now because he is a symbol, kill him and the movement remains, but if you can make him the symbol of something filthy, you can seriously wreck the movement.

]]> By: Gerald Gibson Jr http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/comment-page-3/#comment-3772723 Gerald Gibson Jr Fri, 27 Apr 2007 01:25:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/#comment-3772723 <i>if harry Reid is correct and the war is lost. Who won? Comment by Steve </i> No one won. Everyone lost. 1) America looks stupid just like after Vietnam. 2) Iraqis... well hell on earth is not winning for sure... 3) Al Qeada failed in bogging us down and breaking us like they did to Russia. 4) Iran will find an America rebuilding their military and having frank public debate about the real threat from Iran. if harry Reid is correct and the war is lost. Who won?

Comment by Steve

No one won. Everyone lost.

1) America looks stupid just like after Vietnam.
2) Iraqis… well hell on earth is not winning for sure…
3) Al Qeada failed in bogging us down and breaking us like they did to Russia.
4) Iran will find an America rebuilding their military and having frank public debate about the real threat from Iran.

]]> By: Buck Fush http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/comment-page-3/#comment-3772603 Buck Fush Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:20:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/#comment-3772603 #51- Are you sure you are the real Roger Roger? You didn't smear attack anyone really in that post. You usually post some pretty stupid sick stuff, but that was a well thought out post...very unusual for you. I am not even gonna call you scum on that one, I disagree on it, but other wise it was an ok post. Hating the Repuke Mafia daily #51-
Are you sure you are the real Roger Roger? You didn’t smear attack anyone really in that post. You usually post some pretty stupid sick stuff, but that was a well thought out post…very unusual for you.
I am not even gonna call you scum on that one, I disagree on it, but other wise it was an ok post.

Hating the Repuke Mafia daily

]]> By: joe http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/comment-page-3/#comment-3772584 joe Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:59:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/#comment-3772584 Steve, Al Qaeda in Iraq won. They got the civil war they wanted, the scaling down of the effort to defeat the Taliban/al Qaeda in south-central Asia, and the extensive urban and rural areas in which to operate freely. Thanks for that. Bushie, you're doing a heckuva job. Looks like the Democrats get to clean up your mess. Again. Steve,

Al Qaeda in Iraq won. They got the civil war they wanted, the scaling down of the effort to defeat the Taliban/al Qaeda in south-central Asia, and the extensive urban and rural areas in which to operate freely.

Thanks for that. Bushie, you’re doing a heckuva job.

Looks like the Democrats get to clean up your mess. Again.

]]> By: joe http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/comment-page-3/#comment-3772581 joe Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:56:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/#comment-3772581 But what do I know? We liberals don't bother to think about a way forward, doncha know. But what do I know? We liberals don’t bother to think about a way forward, doncha know.

]]> By: joe http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/comment-page-3/#comment-3772577 joe Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:54:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/#comment-3772577 "What will President Obama do when Iraq falls into the hands of militant Islamists and is used as a launching pad for terrorism throughout the region? Any answers? Comment by Ringo — April 26, 2007 @ 4:39 pm" The "militant Islamists" are going to be mouldering in their graves once the Iraqi Sunnis stop having a reason - ie, our occupation - to give them aid and shelter against the Shiite-dominated government. But let's say the Sunni part of Iraq becomes a "failed state"-type area, and Al Qaeda sets up camps there. President Obama will proceed to bomb the living bejeebers our of them, while American special forces, Kurdish peshmerga, and forces from our allied Anbar clans clean up what's left. But the goal has to be to try to keep that from happening, and that means a political solution. We need to use the announcement of our withdrawal, our foresaking of permanent bases and oil concessions, and our actual withdrawal to create that political solution, so the Sunni Iraqi nationalists and Shiite moderates can put and end to the civil war and sit on, respectively, the Al Qaedists and Sadrists (for lack of better terms). This solution cannot happen absent of policy of redeployment. I'll say it again - you Bushies pay lip service to the need for a political solution, but you don't have the foggiest idea how to make that happen. “What will President Obama do when Iraq falls into the hands of militant Islamists and is used as a launching pad for terrorism throughout the region?

Any answers?

Comment by Ringo — April 26, 2007 @ 4:39 pm”

The “militant Islamists” are going to be mouldering in their graves once the Iraqi Sunnis stop having a reason – ie, our occupation – to give them aid and shelter against the Shiite-dominated government.

But let’s say the Sunni part of Iraq becomes a “failed state”-type area, and Al Qaeda sets up camps there. President Obama will proceed to bomb the living bejeebers our of them, while American special forces, Kurdish peshmerga, and forces from our allied Anbar clans clean up what’s left.

But the goal has to be to try to keep that from happening, and that means a political solution. We need to use the announcement of our withdrawal, our foresaking of permanent bases and oil concessions, and our actual withdrawal to create that political solution, so the Sunni Iraqi nationalists and Shiite moderates can put and end to the civil war and sit on, respectively, the Al Qaedists and Sadrists (for lack of better terms). This solution cannot happen absent of policy of redeployment.

I’ll say it again – you Bushies pay lip service to the need for a political solution, but you don’t have the foggiest idea how to make that happen.

]]> By: Steve http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/comment-page-3/#comment-3772541 Steve Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:27:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/#comment-3772541 if harry Reid is correct and the war is lost. Who won? if harry Reid is correct and the war is lost. Who won?

]]> By: Tobey Tall http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/comment-page-3/#comment-3772474 Tobey Tall Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:33:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/#comment-3772474 <b>Democrats’ Timetable Allows U.S. War in Sunni Region to Go On </b> The language on a timetable for U.S. withdrawal from Iraq voted out of the House-Senate conference committee this week contains <b>large loopholes that would apparently allow U.S. troops to continue carrying out military operations in Iraq’s Sunni heartland indefinitely.</b> Democrats’ Timetable Allows U.S. War in Sunni Region to Go On

The language on a timetable for U.S. withdrawal from Iraq voted out of the House-Senate conference committee this week contains large loopholes that would apparently allow U.S. troops to continue carrying out military operations in Iraq’s Sunni heartland indefinitely.

]]> By: Barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/comment-page-3/#comment-3772445 Barfly Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:13:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/#comment-3772445 What will President Obama do when Iraq falls into the hands of militant Islamists and is used as a launching pad for terrorism throughout the region? Any answers? Comment by Ringo The first part has already happened. I think Turkey will step in - if we continue to ignore their warnings - and invade the Kurdish north. President Obama will have to sit imptently by (as would a hypothetical republican pres.) and watch as it happens. The Turks will be using the same rationale for invading the Kurdish areas that Bush used to invade and occupy Iraq: imminent threat. Before you start with the "but they never said those exact words," I would remind you that when asked this question by reporters using the words "imminent threat", Dan Bartlett agreed with the assertion. So, what is your solution to this very possible eventuality? "Stay the course" isn't an option any longer. What will President Obama do when Iraq falls into the hands of militant Islamists and is used as a launching pad for terrorism throughout the region?

Any answers?

Comment by Ringo

The first part has already happened. I think Turkey will step in – if we continue to ignore their warnings – and invade the Kurdish north. President Obama will have to sit imptently by (as would a hypothetical republican pres.) and watch as it happens. The Turks will be using the same rationale for invading the Kurdish areas that Bush used to invade and occupy Iraq: imminent threat. Before you start with the “but they never said those exact words,” I would remind you that when asked this question by reporters using the words “imminent threat”, Dan Bartlett agreed with the assertion. So, what is your solution to this very possible eventuality? “Stay the course” isn’t an option any longer.

]]> By: JG http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/comment-page-2/#comment-3772443 JG Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:13:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/#comment-3772443 "What will President Obama do when Iraq falls into the hands of militant Islamists and is used as a launching pad for terrorism throughout the region? Any answers?" This really is a stupid question. Bush and Cheney have done more for putting Iraq into the hands of Islamist extremists by starting this illegal war. There weren't Islamist extremists in Iraq until we decidmated the country, knocked out their infrastructure and opened the door wide ope for them with this insane failed policy and incompetent leaders. ANYONE could do a better job. It will take real skill to fix this. Yes, I believe Obama and just about any of the other candidates have what it takes to start us moving in a better direction. Stupid question. “What will President Obama do when Iraq falls into the hands of militant Islamists and is used as a launching pad for terrorism throughout the region? Any answers?”

This really is a stupid question. Bush and Cheney have done more for putting Iraq into the hands of Islamist extremists by starting this illegal war. There weren’t Islamist extremists in Iraq until we decidmated the country, knocked out their infrastructure and opened the door wide ope for them with this insane failed policy and incompetent leaders.
ANYONE could do a better job. It will take real skill to fix this. Yes, I believe Obama and just about any of the other candidates have what it takes to start us moving in a better direction.

Stupid question.

]]> By: PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/comment-page-2/#comment-3772406 PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:55:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/#comment-3772406 What will President Bush do when Osama Bin Laden offers him $1M and invites him to lunch to thank him for the chaos Bush helped create in the Middle East? Any answers? (Gee, this hypothetical baiting sure is fun!) What will President Bush do when Osama Bin Laden offers him $1M and invites him to lunch to thank him for the chaos Bush helped create in the Middle East?

Any answers?

(Gee, this hypothetical baiting sure is fun!)

]]> By: ggibson http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/comment-page-2/#comment-3772404 ggibson Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:55:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/#comment-3772404 <i>Any answers? Comment by Ringo </i> Bomb them? Any answers?

Comment by Ringo

Bomb them?

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/comment-page-2/#comment-3772402 Marie Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:54:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/#comment-3772402 http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/04/25/2007-04-25_put_bushs_puppy_dog_terror_theory_to_sle.html Good op-ed today from Richard Clarke, entitled the "puppy dog tale" http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/04/25/2007-04-25_put_bushs_puppy_dog_terror_theory_to_sle.html

Good op-ed today from Richard Clarke, entitled the “puppy dog tale”

]]> By: ggibson http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/comment-page-2/#comment-3772397 ggibson Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:53:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/#comment-3772397 <i>Alejandro, Alright….Then what? Comment by Ringo </i> Arrest those that helped Bush and Cheney give material support to terrorists. Alejandro,

Alright….Then what?

Comment by Ringo

Arrest those that helped Bush and Cheney give material support to terrorists.

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/comment-page-2/#comment-3772394 Marie Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:53:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/#comment-3772394 Not Voting - 3 Graham (R-SC) Johnson (D-SD) McCain (R-AZ) YEAs ---51 Akaka (D-HI) Baucus (D-MT) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA) Brown (D-OH) Byrd (D-WV) Cantwell (D-WA) Cardin (D-MD) Carper (D-DE) Casey (D-PA) Clinton (D-NY) Conrad (D-ND) Dodd (D-CT) Dorgan (D-ND) Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D-WI) Feinstein (D-CA) Hagel (R-NE) Harkin (D-IA) Inouye (D-HI) Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Klobuchar (D-MN) Kohl (D-WI) Landrieu (D-LA) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Lincoln (D-AR) McCaskill (D-MO) Menendez (D-NJ) Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Nelson (D-NE) Obama (D-IL) Pryor (D-AR) Reed (D-RI) Reid (D-NV) Rockefeller (D-WV) Salazar (D-CO) Sanders (I-VT) Schumer (D-NY) Smith (R-OR) Stabenow (D-MI) Tester (D-MT) Webb (D-VA) Whitehouse (D-RI) Wyden (D-OR) NAYs ---46 Alexander (R-TN) Allard (R-CO) Bennett (R-UT) Bond (R-MO) Brownback (R-KS) Bunning (R-KY) Burr (R-NC) Chambliss (R-GA) Coburn (R-OK) Cochran (R-MS) Coleman (R-MN) Collins (R-ME) Corker (R-TN) Cornyn (R-TX) Craig (R-ID) Crapo (R-ID) DeMint (R-SC) Dole (R-NC) Domenici (R-NM) Ensign (R-NV) Enzi (R-WY) Grassley (R-IA) Gregg (R-NH) Hatch (R-UT) Hutchison (R-TX) Inhofe (R-OK) Isakson (R-GA) Kyl (R-AZ) Lieberman (ID-CT) Lott (R-MS) Lugar (R-IN) Martinez (R-FL) McConnell (R-KY) Murkowski (R-AK) Roberts (R-KS) Sessions (R-AL) Shelby (R-AL) Snowe (R-ME) Specter (R-PA) Stevens (R-AK) Sununu (R-NH) Thomas (R-WY) Thune (R-SD) Vitter (R-LA) Voinovich (R-OH) Warner (R-VA) Not Voting – 3
Graham (R-SC)
Johnson (D-SD)
McCain (R-AZ)

YEAs —51
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Smith (R-OR)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

NAYs —46
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

]]> By: Ringo http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/comment-page-2/#comment-3772389 Ringo Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:50:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/#comment-3772389 Alejandro, Alright....Then what? Alejandro,

Alright….Then what?

]]> By: Alejandro http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/comment-page-2/#comment-3772374 Alejandro Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:45:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/#comment-3772374 #89 - First step would be to arrest Bush and Cheney for giving material support to terrorists. #89 – First step would be to arrest Bush and Cheney for giving material support to terrorists.

]]> By: goehl http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/comment-page-2/#comment-3772366 goehl Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:42:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/#comment-3772366 Those supporting this illegal occupation we have with Iraq are from one or more of the following: 1. complete idiot "Look what they did to us with 9/11" 2. racist: "we need to kill all the rag heads" 3. those waiting for their rapture 4. sociopath - loves all the torture, rapes, killings, bombings, murders 5. the war profiteers who are making millions 6. those exploiting the hype for political gain Which group do the trolls, we see here, belong to? Isn't it time we ALL saw this for what it really is and joined the rest of the world in disapproval? Those supporting this illegal occupation we have with Iraq are from one or more of the following:

1. complete idiot “Look what they did to us with 9/11″
2. racist: “we need to kill all the rag heads”
3. those waiting for their rapture
4. sociopath – loves all the torture, rapes, killings, bombings, murders
5. the war profiteers who are making millions
6. those exploiting the hype for political gain

Which group do the trolls, we see here, belong to?

Isn’t it time we ALL saw this for what it really is and joined the rest of the world in disapproval?

]]> By: Ringo http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/comment-page-2/#comment-3772356 Ringo Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:39:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/#comment-3772356 Alright, I'll ask again... What will President Obama do when Iraq falls into the hands of militant Islamists and is used as a launching pad for terrorism throughout the region? Any answers? Alright, I’ll ask again…

What will President Obama do when Iraq falls into the hands of militant Islamists and is used as a launching pad for terrorism throughout the region?

Any answers?

]]> By: Alejandro http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/comment-page-2/#comment-3772353 Alejandro Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:37:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/26/breaking-senate-approves-iraq-funding-bill-with-deadlines/#comment-3772353 I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Mission WAS accomplished in 2003. We won. Yay for us. The war ended in 2003. What we've had since then is an occupation. You don't win those. There is no victory to be had. There is also no surrender and no retreat. You either prolong the occupation or you end it. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The Mission WAS accomplished in 2003. We won. Yay for us. The war ended in 2003. What we’ve had since then is an occupation. You don’t win those. There is no victory to be had. There is also no surrender and no retreat. You either prolong the occupation or you end it.

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