War Hawk Kristol Confronted By Military Wife: ‘You All Don’t Understand…We Are People Too’
War Hawk Kristol Confronted By Military Wife: ‘You All Don’t Understand…We Are People Too’
During a C-SPAN appearance this morning, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol was confronted by a military wife living in Ft. Hood, TX, who called in to criticize him for “pushing the war.”
The woman explained the incredible stress of having her husband deployed in Iraq:
I’m sure when your head hits the pillow you have a luxury of dreaming about anything that your mind will allow you to dream about… I sleep with the phone under the pillow. My kids — if someone rings the doorbell, instead of normal kids they freeze. And they’re in elementary school. You all don’t understand. We are military people but we are people, too. And the stress that we are under is tremendous.
While she spoke, Kristol appeared uncomfortable, looking downward and scratching markings into a piece of paper.
The caller also told Kristol that he was a “liar” for claiming that it’s “mostly the insurgents attacking us,” versus members of the Iraqi population. “They don’t want us there,” she said. “I understand you truly believe what you’re saying but it’s not working. We can’t want it for them more than they want it for themselves.” Watch it:
Kristol offered little in response, using the caller’s criticism of the stress she’s under to advocate for a larger Army. He concluded, “The strains on family life are obviously very real…and I hope we do more to deal with that.”
Transcript:
HOST: You are on the air.
CALLER: Yes, thank you. I do listen to the discussion. I’m a military wife. My husband on the third tour to Iraq. I just want to if I could look Mr. Kristol and people like him from the American Enterprise Institute and the people pushing the war, I’m sure when your head hits the pillow, you know, you have a luxury of dreaming about, you know, anything that your mind will allow you to dream about. I’m waiting — i sleep with the phone under the pillow.
My kids — if someone rings the doorbell, instead of normal kids they freeze. And they’re in elementary school. You all don’t understand. We are military people but we are people, too. And the stress that we are under is tremendous. So I make a proposal before I have to leave the air. If this war is as important as you on the right and the hawks say it is, and if it is truly essential to our vital interest to do this, then institute the draft so we can have a break.
We are at the breaking point. I just had to counsel a friend last night who has had a solid marriage for 14 years because their marriage is falling apart because they’re military and haven’t lived under the same roof together in five years. We’re people. We can’t keep up the stress level. Our children can’t keep up the stress level.
The spouses left behind can’t keep up the stress level and all you all keep saying, you just called my husband and all the troops a liar saying it is mostly the insurgents attacking us. Because when I do get the luxury of speaking to my husband, what I’m hearing is Iraqis let us through the gates, the security forces let us through and 30 minutes after we pass through, they’re laying down IEDs to blow us up if we come back through. They don’t want us there. I understand you truly believe what you’re saying but it’s not working.
We can’t want it for them more than they want it for themselves. Please bring my husband home, the brave troops. We are tired. We’re really tired.
KRISTOL: Well, look. the army some of us that argue — first of all, I respect the service of those who’ve been over there. I just had dinner last night with close friends whose son just came back from Iraq and it is tough duty and now we’re on second and third tours. some of us argued for a long time before 9/11 and very much after 9/11 that the army and marines were too small for the world we are living in. the foreign policy obligations we are likely to have to impose for the all-volunteer military and finally we are increasing the size of the army and the marines and paying a price for that in terms of longer tours and people going back a second and third times and the strains on family life are obviously very real and obviously it’s a tough job over there. so i hope we do more to deal with that.
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the united states is a democracy, not a military dictatorship. period.
the war cheerleaders, therefore, and the administration’s apologists, are all free to move to one, and enjoy.
genuine patriotism will remain the exclusive province of those who abide by the Constitution, and obey the rule of law and will of the people.
advocates of military dictatorship rather than the rule of Democracy are genuine traitors, and are actually guilty of real treason, and are fortunate our laws are liberal enough that they are not rounded up and detained, as anyone who interferes with the Constitutional operation of our Democracy should be.
April 26th, 2007 at 6:45 pmPfffttt….way to show that compassionate conservatism there Billy Boy.
April 26th, 2007 at 6:48 pmwould someone please punch that idiot? He couldn’t possibly understand. He doesn’t want to understand.
April 26th, 2007 at 6:51 pmWarmongering chickenhawk. Would wet his pants in an uncomfortable situation, much less life or death. Arrogantly dismissing a woman who is suffering because of his short-sighted policies and stupid recommendations to the boy-king.
April 26th, 2007 at 6:51 pmBring our soldiers home.
April 26th, 2007 at 6:51 pmDemocratic debate beginning on msnbc now.
April 26th, 2007 at 6:52 pmWhat an a$$hat. Didn’t even look up at the beginning of the phone call. Until he realized his reaction would probably be scrutinized did he take the time to act like he was even listening. The caller hit the nail on the head. “I’m sure when your head hits the pillow, you know, you have a luxury of dreaming about, you know, anything that your mind will allow you to dream about. ”
And he replys “I just had dinner last night with close friends whose son just came back from Iraq”
Yeah, I bet when he has dinner with friends he doesn’t spend less than $100 per person. These people really just don’t have any concept of what a hard time really is. Period. None at all. And the illusion is that they care. They don’t. He doesn’t.
April 26th, 2007 at 6:53 pmI hate that little weasel.
April 26th, 2007 at 6:56 pmI watched that live today and hes STILL TO THIS DAY saying that al queda had ties in Iraq.
and some stupid rekneck called in to agree with him. How in the world is this man able to walk the streets or even live with himself.
April 26th, 2007 at 6:57 pmThank’s for the head’s up Marie…Blessings
April 26th, 2007 at 6:59 pmKristol dreams…he dreams of a puppet America that does Israel’s bidding…… wait.. that’s an old dream that’s come true
April 26th, 2007 at 7:01 pm“But my pet project for this century requires dead soldiers!”
April 26th, 2007 at 7:04 pmI cannot stand William Kristol. This piece of s**t has never served. His daddy didn’t serve. And his kids at least 2 of whom are eligible won’t serve. This piece of s**t will even write columns about lowering taxes because he has no qualms about not paying for his crappy war. This pos couldn’t care less if there was a Kristol War Vet crawling across the street on his knees with torn clothes on because that would “their own fault.” I would be willing to bet that William Kristol only donates money to conservative causes. I am willing to bet he hasn’t donated a dime to the Fallen Heroes fund because he couldn’t care less that all those Fallen Heroes died for his crappy war. William Fuzzy KKkrystal ball has no balls and can go eat s**t.
April 26th, 2007 at 7:08 pmThat woman was very brave.
Hopefully more military family members will speak up.
April 26th, 2007 at 7:10 pmYup, the people on this thread get it. And the American people get it…more and more. Kristol is a modern American traitor.
April 26th, 2007 at 7:12 pmumm not only did his father not serve but he was a billionaire advocating communism!
April 26th, 2007 at 7:13 pmWithdrawl dates are moot. “The troops will be coming home soon. There simply are too few to sustain the surge for very much longer. ” Robert H. Scales, Maj.Gen. (Ret.) See Sic Semper Tyrannis
April 26th, 2007 at 7:16 pmYet more evidence that withdrawl dates are moot. “The troops will be coming home soon. There simply are too few to sustain the surge for very much longer. ” — Robert H. Scales, Maj.Gen (ret.)
April 26th, 2007 at 7:21 pmWhat a brave caller. More people need to hear what military families are going through right now with all the multiple tours, extended tours, etc.
These neo-con scumbags are ruining people’s lives, and they do not even care. They chat in luxury offices about a “surge” over cigars and caviar, but the reality is, our military is too strained for a large scale increase in forces in Iraq. Neo-cons like Kristol don’t understand that fact. They only care about politics.
The truth is, Bush and Republicans would not support a draft because it would be bad politically. He knows the entire country would walk the streets demanding the Iraq War be ended immediately. So more soldiers will get the word their tour has been extended. More children will hear Dad won’t be coming home. More wives and husbands will have to make do on their own for even longer. More troops will just mentally break down from all the stress and pressure of their 2nd or 3rd tours.
April 26th, 2007 at 7:22 pmChickenhawk Kristol needs to be parachuted into a rough neighborhood in Baghdad…with no backup.
April 26th, 2007 at 7:23 pmThis from a David Corn column at bushlies.com
I asked about a recent McClatchy Newspaper story by Nancy Youssef that reported that the training of Iraqi troops is no longer a priority for US forces in Iraq.
The April 19 piece began:
“Military planners have abandoned the idea that standing up Iraqi troops will enable American soldiers to start coming home soon and now believe that U.S. troops will have to defeat the insurgents and secure control of troubled provinces.”
On January 10, when Bush announced his so-called surge in Iraq, he told the American people:
“In keeping with the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group, we will increase the embedding of American advisers in Iraqi Army units, and partner a coalition brigade with every Iraqi Army division. We will help the Iraqis build a larger and better-equipped army, and we will accelerate the training of Iraqi forces, which remains the essential U.S. security mission in Iraq.”
So Bush promised Americans an accelerated training program, and that has not happened.
This has not been officially acknowledged! The total hypocracy of the “surge” is exposed! Go read the whole thing.
April 26th, 2007 at 7:24 pmWhy is War Hawk – Israeli PNAC traitor Kristol not just allowed on publicly owned airwaves but appearing at least once a week to hype for more and more death, maiming and torture?
Like Israeli PNAC traitor Douglas Feith, Kristol should be tried for the war crimes and crimes against humanity that he has been promoting for the past 5 years and more.
April 26th, 2007 at 7:27 pmbreaking news on CNN – pro-life terrorists attempt bombing at Austin, TX women’s health clinic.
now when does ralph reed get black-bagged and flown to gitmo??
taliban up!
April 26th, 2007 at 7:28 pmKristol is the bastard who started to say something along the lines of:
‘yes, I’m ready to sacrifice a few more American lives….’
on Fox news about a year ago and caught himself and changed his sentence. I saw it live and the transcript edited it out. I think it was Wallace who lit off on him as he said it.
April 26th, 2007 at 7:30 pmI believe that Kristol and republicans like him are willing to face the fact that war is very difficult and that it has and does cause a strain on America’s military and military families. Are progressives conversely willing to face the fact that there are negative consequences for inaction? It would be like complaining to the physician that explained to you that you to have to have your cancerous leg removed before the cancer spreads and kills you, all the while, your compassionate progressive aunt advises you to just come home from the hospital because the physician is only trying to profit from the operation and if you just leave your leg alone, everything will be okay. I wish I lived in the simple world that progressives call home. The problem is, when you retreat to that place, the decisions are made for you by someone else. Someone, believe it or not, with less compassion for you than George Bush and his ‘evil’ republican allies.
April 26th, 2007 at 7:32 pmWilliam Kristol has as much empathy with this nation as Sadham had with human rights in Iraq. William Kristol would easily make Stalin a candidate for sainthood.
April 26th, 2007 at 7:32 pmtom,
There’s also a story about Mike Huckabee’s kid being arrested on a gun charge……….
poor repub’s… really…. I feel so badly…
April 26th, 2007 at 7:33 pmAt least now we know that Kristol has a soul, even if it’s shriveled and black as coal
FYI: This rhymed unintentionally, I’m not trying to be poetic
April 26th, 2007 at 7:33 pmWell, one good thing: the families are coming to the realization that republicans only use the troops for props and war fodder. The next election will be a blow-out, no matter how many swift boats they float.
April 26th, 2007 at 7:34 pmI was never for the war from the beginning. I never believed invading a sovereign nation was legal.
End the war NOW! Bring our troups HOME NOW!
April 26th, 2007 at 7:35 pmHow do you expect a coward to respond? He could give a flying rats ass about the families, the troopers, the public sentiment. It’s about being feted as an insider, as being in the know, and the whole time being a fumbling, ignorant pissant. Another one who couldn’t serve, wouldn’t serve, and yet, all of the sudden, through the magic of his daddy, he’s knows what is best for the rest of us.
April 26th, 2007 at 7:40 pmI am so sick of pro-war pundits telling us what the troops think, how the troops feel. To these chickenhawks, our military are toy soldiers. The hawks don’t give a rat’s a$$ about the people who are willing to put their lives on the lines so that the pundits can get fat talking up military aggression on the nightly news.
April 26th, 2007 at 7:42 pmsurge this Kristol – you rotten piece of s#it
April 26th, 2007 at 7:43 pmThat woman’s call ought to be broadcast everywhere – and the great “decider” ought to be tied down and made to listen to it about 1000 times. I swear – I’ve never hated people before, but this bunch has ripped my soul from my body.
Woops, Kristal went on a show other than FOX…
April 26th, 2007 at 7:44 pmI hate to post the same message from one thread to another, but this seems to fit this thread as well.
http://sjl.funnyordie.com/v1/view_video.php?viewkey=c95ea2c0343a2395834d&page=&viewtype=&category=
It’s Called “Stick a Yellow Ribbon on Your SUV”, sung to the Tony Orlando and Dawn tune.
It fits here as well.
April 26th, 2007 at 7:46 pmbreaking news on CNN – pro-life terrorists attempt bombing at Austin, TX women’s health clinic.
Comment by tom baker
I know exactly where it is,I live in Austin
April 26th, 2007 at 7:48 pmIt is not just an abortion clinic. It is a womens clinic, where they get checkups, prenatal care, etc. The asswipe that left that bomb could have killed alot of people. There are security cameras watching that parking lot so I expect they will find who did it.
“I believe that Kristol and republicans like him are willing to face the fact that war is very difficult and that it has and does cause a strain on America’s military and military families.”
Paul, if you believe this, you also believe that these chickenhawks, who have never served a day in the military, know what’s best for the rest of us, the unwashed masses.
I’m sorry, but your premise is ridiculous on its face. To argue that the same people who claimed “you go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had,” are somehow sympathetic to the toll it takes on those bearing the greatest sacrifice is insulting.
That they are “willing to face the facts” … bullshit, that’s the problem. They don’t have to face a goddamned thing, other than beltway traffic jams.
To think, that for even more one moment, that warmonger suffers for his wrongheadedness, his falsification of fact, his utter and gutless cheerleading is to spit in the face of the dead and wounded he helped create.
Save your sympathy for those who deserve it, not the caterwauling cowards who refuse to admit their errors and continue to call for more dead, more wounded, more emotionally and physically scarred.
That is the face of a coward, plain and simple. And to any way argue that he’s worthy of our understanding makes you a coward also.
April 26th, 2007 at 7:49 pmThat chickens..t chickenhawk should be drop kicked into the middle of an 82nd airborne training session in the least, and in the most, be sent to SYRIA for a bit of Syriasness…. Being jewish he should know of the trials the Nazis faced, and he and his like should face the same.
April 26th, 2007 at 7:52 pmWar salesman Kristol will continue to push for his PNAC(Plan for New American Century), even if the phone rings all day by callers.
You are dealing with a stubborn Neocon who knows he is not going to lose any of his kids or friends in Afghanstan,Iraq or any war he is now selling like war with Iran and Syria.
April 26th, 2007 at 7:55 pmI think that these warmongers are getting challenged, called-out and confronted more and more and more…..Kristol and the rest of these warmongering douchebags need to be shamed, ridiculed, and shunned.
-GSD
April 26th, 2007 at 7:56 pmThe first time I ever saw this scumbag, maybe 10-15 years ago, I had visions of him in a Nazi SS uniform, goose-stepping for der Fuhrer. It gave me chills. Even the name Kristol is creepy somehow.
Every time he flaps his liver lips, my intuition is proven accurate.
April 26th, 2007 at 7:58 pmWe need some changes in our Constitutional laws related to war. How about a policy similar to the Congressional law proposals – if a Congressperson proposes a new anything, he/she must have an identified source of funding. Same for any war hawks – if one proposes war, he/she must have an identified source of fighters. Oh, we can work on the numbers and penalties for failure, but the basic concept could keep us our of wars. Then, war needs to be voted on and approved by the entire electorate. Yeah, some changes are needed.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:00 pmComment by paul
You are full of sh*t
Kristol is the chairman of PNAC and has his hands as dirty in the neocon push for war to take over influence of the middle east.
Bushco is following the PNAC plan that has been on the web since 1997. Their meglomanic plan for a Pan-Americana Empire ( its right on their web site a$$hole, for anyone willing to read it)
They do not give a fscking damn about the troops, wounded or veterans.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:00 pmAnd if you support them, neither do you
Larger army = larger abuses of it.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:00 pmKristol deserves his spot in Hell.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:01 pmYOU HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS KRISTOL
Watch Your Six.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:01 pmIf there is ONE WISH I could have granted to me, it would be that I would have the power to DROP EACH AND EVERY SUPPORTER of this war in IRAQ!!!
THEN we would see how long they would fight and how much they believe in this war!!!
April 26th, 2007 at 8:07 pmit would be like complaining to the physician that explained to you that you to have to have your cancerous leg removed before the cancer spreads and kills you,
April 26th, 2007 at 8:08 pmPaul…would you feel the same way if you found out that the physician had removed the WRONG LEG in his last group of patients??.
No one really knows why some people get cancer, but we all know why we’re in Iraq. Lies and half truths by folks like Bill crystal.
Supporting the war != supporting the troops.
In fact, the two are becoming mutually exclusive.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:09 pmDo you have kids, Bill?
If so, drive them to a recruiter or STFU!
April 26th, 2007 at 8:11 pmBilly Boy,
Show me your Honorable Discharge form the military. (If you have misplaced it, the VA can get you a copy.)
Otherwise, shut your cowardly mouth.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:11 pmWhat that woman said about the draft is 100% true.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:13 pmWhy Chuck Rangel never gets any traction when he say’s it is beyond me.
When I remind my friends with young kids ( who voted for Bush ) that this is an all consuming fetish for the neocon’s, and that they will NEVER stop waging wars, they change their tune pretty quickly.
They cannot have it both ways…. a military to defend the country is needed,
just don’t ask for “my” kids, won’t cut it anymore when more and more people like this woman demand the same sacrifices from all americans.
Question asked during the Democratic Debate tonight. Did any of the other candidates support Dennis Kuchinich’s move for impeachment of Cheney. Not one single other person up there indicated “yes.” But the follow-up question…”why not?”was never asked.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:14 pmOT- Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel are kicking ass on the Democratic Debate on MSNBC.
Highlights so far:
Kucinich holding up a pocket copy of the Constitution and saying he’s the only one on stage willing to defend it by impeaching Cheney. Go Dennis!
Gravel: The Military Industrial Complex has total control over our government! Go Mike!
April 26th, 2007 at 8:15 pmthanks Larry from C, I’m going to go find this…….
April 26th, 2007 at 8:17 pm#53 Larry
I agree with you….these two men stood strong and looked as men of principles..not the marketed ones…
I am disppointed with Obama and Clinton’s rhetoric…
April 26th, 2007 at 8:19 pmOT- Now Kucinich and Obama are getting into it over Iran.
Kucinich reminded Obama that he said regarding Iran all options are on the table.
Kucinich then said we need to end Global War-ring just as we need to end Global Warming. Kucinich then said that Iraq and Iran are about OIL.
This brief tiff was the best action of the debate so far.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:21 pmProgressive ideas seeing the light of day on MSM…..FASCINATING..and Larry from C is right.. Kucinich and Gravel pulling no punches…the others trying too hard not to say anything wrong
April 26th, 2007 at 8:22 pmYes, Obama looked too relaxed, Hillary sounded too scripted, Edwards seemed tired. Biden was too verbose. Bill Richards was too analytical.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:24 pmKristol is typical of all the spineless, cowardly, warmongering zealots, from Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, on down, who started this immoral war based on nothing but lies, and yet who risk nothing!! They risk not even a stubbed toe, nor do their elitist, jet-setting, partying children. If any of them had anything to lose, much less life and limb, this war would not have happened. It is an outrage beyond comprehension. None of these chicken hawks would hold the views they hold, especially after four long years of failure, if they, or any of their loved ones, were in harms way for even one moment!!!
April 26th, 2007 at 8:25 pmMakes me want to puke. F**king neocons should all be put on trial for crimes against humanity and locked up for the rest of their unnatural lives.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:25 pmGovernor Bill Richardson seemed to know what he is talking about…some looked like they were absent, but Dennis Kucinch and Mike Gravel won the show.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:26 pmKristol has always been a clueless bottom feeder, but this is bizarre, even by his standards.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:26 pmI’d of enjoyed a “debate” where the candidates face each other and engage. This debate was stiff and dull until Gravel shook things up…paraphrasing “I’m the senior statesman here and I feel like a potted plant”…after they hadn’t asked him a question in quite awhile.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:27 pmI was calling like crazy trying to get through to talk to this creep.
He mentioned the talking point of giving the “surge” a chance. That it’s working.
I wanted to hit him with what part of the surge was he talking about? Was the fact that April was shaping up to be the highest month for deaths since the war began, was that his idea of the surge working? More deaths?
Kristol has always been slimy. He has that sleazy look. Definitely a closet gay. (Not that there’s anything wrong…) He makes my shin crawl. There is just something about the man that makes one feel like your chin deep in a barrel full of eels. Why anyone has this creep on after he has been so totally discredited is beyond me. Why listen to someone that hasn’t been right about one single thing?
April 26th, 2007 at 8:29 pmPaul, you are defending a war of choice (comment #24). A war based on false premises. Continue to defend that if you wish. You have a right to do so, as per our First Amendment. I have the right to completely and with all my heart, disagree with you.
Gus Smith…we don’t need a change in the Constitution regarding war powers…we need a return to it. That is, that ONLY Congress can DECLARE war. Not pass resolutions or bills (such as the War Powers Act) to allow any President to go to war upon their own decision. Read the Constitution. And if you follow history at all, since WWII, you will see that Congress has NEVER declared war since then, but let ONE man make that decision.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:30 pmChris Matthews comments: Hillary did a good job because she kept her voice controlled and moderated. That’s the standard for a good performance?
April 26th, 2007 at 8:31 pmThis debate should include questions about PNAC,Neocons,foreign countries influencing our foreign policies…..etc.
The debate was dull…and it should be left to the people to ask the questions ..and not left only to B.Williams to ask the questions….it looked like a dishonet show.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:32 pm#60 Tarzan…Richardson would make a great AAA+ Secretary of State for any Democratic President. Would make Condo Rice look like an amateur.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:33 pmRichardson could be the person to help heal the wounds America under Bush/Chainee has inflicted around the world.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:40 pmWas that a note of disdain I heard in his voice? Damned elitists. He simply brushed her off like a pesky fly on his lapel. No emotions to see here.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:40 pmwe are people, too.
And this is the problem with the likes of Kristol and his buddies at the PNAC: For them, people in the military and their families are a mean to an end; Kristol may feel some empathy for them, but ultimately, he cherishes his vision for the Middle East even more.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:40 pm#66 tarazan…they took e-mail questions but they too were tame.
Bryan Williams sit your ass down I have a real question to ask:
April 26th, 2007 at 8:41 pmCorporations have taken over our Government. I don’t know where our government begins and the corporations end. The oil corporations had influence in US attacking Iraq. The pharmaceutical companies wrote the medicare drug bill. The financial institutions wrote the bankruptcy bill. The media lobbied millions to receive deregulatory legislation. Do you Hillary Clinton pledge not to take money from, or be influenced by Corporations in your decision making? Will you make decisions based on the best interests of the citizens or the interests of corporations?
That’s Hillary, controlled, moderate, no waves, no stance, no nothing.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:42 pm#71 I agree
April 26th, 2007 at 8:43 pm#67…Larry
I think Richadrson knows what he is talking about, when it comes to foreign policy…he was the US ambassador to the UN, Congressman,Secretary of Energy..and now governor….
He is the ideal diplomat….I hope he ends up with a post like US Secretary of State…it will be a gain for foreign policy and a plus for America.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:44 pmI don’t get MSNBC, and I didn’t watch the Debate….so at the risk of sticking my head up to get lopped off…I must say….These debates are a potential MINEFIELD. I don’t blame the frontrunners from being carefull. Look what happened to Howard Dean in the last election..fair or not. I like kucinich…he has a role to play…but face it..he’s a real long shot. I would hate to see a Democrat who could win get tripped up by an inoppertune comment. Bush’s Iraq policy is heading for a cliff, the Democrats can’t do much about it, and the way out will be obvious to all soon. I regret the deaths until then.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:45 pmThe war supporters really don’t want to be faced with these realities.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:48 pmIt’s Kristol’s picture that should be pasted next to the dictionary definition of chickenhawk. People that sit in their diamond encrusted ivory towers and formulate imperial foreign policy plans designed to “project American military dominance” need a slap in their cowardly faces. No Kristol, you babbling fool, the ends do not justify the means when somebody else’s blood and tears are being spilled.
Disgusting!
April 26th, 2007 at 8:54 pmAmerican interests do not concern Bill Kristol one tiny bit, to make a long story short, everything he says or does is to con Americans into carrying out the right wing Israeli agenda. He only cares about tricking America into carrying out Israeli foreign policy. All major politicians both parties have been totally bought out and committed our country to be Israels lil bitch. BOMB IRAN!
April 26th, 2007 at 8:58 pmI wonder if that dinner was also attended by his gay friend and his black friend?
Why is this guy still on TV? He has been proven wrong at every turn and yet we still have to hear what he has to say.
April 26th, 2007 at 8:58 pmOn Fox’s SUnday morning show (Chris Wallace) Kristol insisted that it was primarilly Al Qeada that was active against us in Iraq. This is a lie even greater than the one the caller above called him on. This slimy jackass needs to be kept off the airwaves, and the advertisers on networks that persist in giving his lies a forum should be boycotted.
April 26th, 2007 at 9:04 pmDid Kristol ever serve his country or did he avoid service?
Not only does this man know nothing of the lives of those who serve, he and his war-mongering counterparts dont have the capacity to understand the damage they have done by sending those who chose to defend America to a war that never should have been started.
Mr Hussein was in a contained box. Mr bin Laden is still out there. People like Kristol and the George an Laura Bush say they feel the pain but they didnt offer their military age children to fight in this supposed noble venture. On top of that they attack those who have served or those whose children serve.
Bill Kristol is a disgusting coward.
April 26th, 2007 at 9:11 pmKristol always looks like he could use more bran in his diet. In fact, he always looks like he’s dumping on the toilet when he tries to listen. Maybe that’s because he has sh*t for brains, and that’s the only way he can *think*!
April 26th, 2007 at 9:14 pm#
The war supporters really don’t want to be faced with these realities.
Comment by ForTruth — April 26, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
Democrats have passed a bill, in both the House and the Senate, that provides “emergency” funding for the surge. With or without deadlines or timelines, it’s still the same. Bush will veto, and they will be providing funds, one way or another, to continue this war. Even if he didn’t veto it, they would still be providing those funds for the escalation. I get rather sick of people saying they are “trying to end” the war. Here’s a simple test…”try” to pick up a shoe. You either do it, or you don’t. The only reason someone would fail in that task would be the result of a neurological disorder.
April 26th, 2007 at 9:17 pmPathetic
April 26th, 2007 at 9:21 pmBeing a political junkie, I saw this interview live today, and I wa absolutely sickened by Kristol’s smarmy self-righteousness. He’s the poster boy for compassionate conservatism all right! Yes sirree Bob, that Bill Kristol is always thinking what’s best for the country, how to make democracy work best, and how to help the little guy realize his American Dream. Punk.
April 26th, 2007 at 9:23 pmHe’s the archetypal Chickenhawk. He reminds me of Sherman’s line about the warmongers who never saw battle. Or that British battle planner who worked out all the plans in a cozy office in WWI and, after the battle was a disaster, he went to see what went wrong. It had never occured to him that the wooden pieces he pushed across a tabletop map were men of flesh and blood who had to slog across a hill in mud two feet deep. He fell to his knees and wept at this bloody stupidity.
Sadly, I don’t think Kristol would weep. He’s just –like Bush– tell the mudcaked troops to try harder.
Anyone see “Blackadder Goes Forth”? It’s Rowan Atkinson’s grim comedy about trench warfare. Wickedly funny and the final episode made me weep. But the brass were portrayed as stupid and as insensitive as what we see in the White House today. Of course, that was due to a class system in Britain in 1914, what’s America’s excuse? I’m afraid the Republicans have desperately tried to create a class system of Haves and Havemores. That’s what this is really about. Laura Bush can say she’s suffered more than women who’ve lost husbands, fathers, and sons. But she’s being more Marie Antoinette –(not Kirsten Dunst’s MA) and I say “Off were her head!”
April 26th, 2007 at 9:24 pm“We Are People Too”
Brave woman, but her mistake was in using the word “too”.
April 26th, 2007 at 9:34 pmOh, but he *does* understand. He understands that there’s oil in them thar sands, that the president always knows what’s better for us than we do, and that it’s unmanly to admit one was wrong and try to repair the damage.
April 26th, 2007 at 9:34 pmThe lady pegged Bill as a liar and he is. Does anyone besides me remember how the Don- Rumsfeld spent a good part of his career at the hexagram ( ha) taking the army apart???? Yes he was transforming the force into a lythe light force that would be able to be inserted anywhere in the world and come back out in a day or two with the mission accomplished… remember??? Ya’ll do remember right? It’s Billo that has the ” I cannot recall Gonzales” moment today……. wow.
April 26th, 2007 at 9:34 pmLiars- big lies covering little lies covering major lies covering who knows what to begin with…… probably money is my guess.
I hope people understand the dangerous situation the world is in…….. finally.
Kristol is no hawk. Hawks are fierce, deft, kill only when they must and do the killing themselves.
Kristol can claim none of these noble traits.
April 26th, 2007 at 9:35 pmThis pathetic jerk and warmonger said before the war that our army was too small; nevertheless, he and his accomplices pushed for the war before it could be built to a size needed to secure Iraq. That is, with the 500,000 or so recommended by General Shinseki, one of the few generals in the Pentagon who knew the score and the only one with courage to speak truth to power.
April 26th, 2007 at 9:36 pmKristol, like the rest of the other war criminals, is in total denial to what really is happening in Iraq. AL Qaeda, if they are really there, came into Iraq ONLY after Bush, Cheney, and other criminals attacked Iraq.
April 26th, 2007 at 9:40 pmDuring Saddams time, AL Qaeda did not exist over there. Bush opened the borders wide for these hateful people to enter the fray. I wish someone asked this idiot if getting Saddam was worth those thousands of lives lost, and billions of our dollors spent, for their grand scheme to dominate Iraq, and get one tin pot tyrant. Kristol still propagates the WH lies about why we went over there, and why this bloody war should go on. He is as despicable as the other neocons, who were hell bent on dragging this nation into war. Perhaps it is his love of Israel that makes him go on.
How much ass does one have to lick to have their face pucker up like kristols?
April 26th, 2007 at 9:42 pmBetter idea for Kristol and his ilk –
I agree with the caller that they need to bring home the current troops so they and their families can get a damned break — as no doubt, this illegal, never-ending, unwinnable war is far more than they thought they’d ever have to do when they enlisted — but not moreover than that: no, I don’t think a ‘draft’ is necessary, it will only cause greater unrest in this country, BUT I do believe that ALL the architects of this war, the neocons, and every member of Congress who approved this war should be required to send at least one member of their own family in replace of the current military troops that are currently there.
Seems reasonable and fair enough. Since they called for this mess — they can now show their true tenacity and strength: send their OWN family to die for their dirty deeds.
What a disgrace Kristol and Co are. God Bless the caller and all military families; I can’t imagine how much they must be suffering.
April 26th, 2007 at 9:56 pmBill Kristol could give a crap about the women who called in. Straussians (NeoCons) view people like her as one of the “vulgar many,†chumps, dupes, and ciphers to be manipulated, poked, and prodded in the direction of subordination and tyranny.â€
Tyranny through Straussian political philosophy is what Neo-Conservatives truly believe. Straussians believe that “old” conservatism relied on tradition, and was far too cautious, too moderate in its approach. Leo Strauss, born the new conservatism at the University of Chicago. New conservatism is not slow or cautious, but active, aggressive, and reactionary in the literal sense of the term. Leo Strauss believed in Plato’s (The Republic) “noble lie”, and the “philosopher-king†model of government; the “philosopher kings†exercise of the “rule of the wiseâ€, to the “vulgar” masses. Through a belligerent and perpetual foreign policy, war would be waged for 100 years. Through a “Pearl Harbor” like event, Nationalism will bind the masses to be controlled as subordinates to carry out this belligerent and perpetual foreign policy.
NeoCons hate for Liberalism, according to Strauss, “equals relativism, which necessarily leads to nihilism. Strauss longed to return to a previous, pre-liberal, pre-bourgeois era of blood and guts, of imperial domination, of authoritarian rule, of pure fascism”.
Above is just a taste of what NeoCons truly believe. And if your shaking your head no way? Look at the present state of US foreign policy. But, please don’t take my word for it. Type in “Leo Strauss vulgar gentlemen wise men” through Google. Do your own research!
April 26th, 2007 at 9:57 pmLT K; Billy boy did NOT serve…the cowardly pussy was too busy hiding behind his draft deferment like his fellow warmonger Cheney, Ashcroft, Rove, Perle, Feith, Abrams, Rush Limpdick, Hastert, Lott, Hannity, O’Reilly, and others. He would have NO idea or sympathy for that military wife or her familiy, or anyone else. Kudos for that woman to bitch-slap that putz.
April 26th, 2007 at 10:08 pmThe face of American Fascism….
April 26th, 2007 at 10:10 pmi noticed that all his answers were “we” not the republicans or the administration, just goes to show what they say about too many chefs in the kitchen. many good dems called in to put the fire to kristols toes and many times he preferred to not comment. these guys arent used to being challenged and its started to show. perhaps kristol and his coherts ought best to peddle their wares to viewers on foxnews.
April 26th, 2007 at 10:18 pmWilliam Kristol has 3 children, >two of whom are of military service age.
None of them have enlisted, or have their butts on the line in Iraq.
Apparently his own children and their mother (who knows him better?) are not buying Bill’s lines.
Why should any of the rest of us?
April 26th, 2007 at 10:20 pmCrystal is a fascist and a demented, detached misanthrope.
April 26th, 2007 at 10:21 pm95. Comment by TerrytheTurtle -
These people are worse then the average fascists. These people are the type that would analyze what Hitler did wrong and then try to improve on it.
But as all evil in the world is destined to fail, good will, and has always prevailed.
April 26th, 2007 at 10:23 pmbelieve that Kristol and republicans like him are willing to face the fact that war is very difficult and that it has and does cause a strain on America’s military and military families. Are progressives conversely willing to face the fact that there are negative consequences for inaction?
Comment by paul — April 26, 2007 @ 7:32 pm
I’m late here-how many have told paul to GO FU$K YOURSELF ?
April 26th, 2007 at 10:25 pmWhy are these people heading our government, selling off Americas infrastructure?
You see, if they sell off our infrastructure, then like the pharmacuetical co’s. that bought bush and he and congress let the pharmacuetical co’s. write their own laws, our constitution and the American people were spit on and once they sell the power co’s. and water, Americans will have no say and the laws can’t touch them or make them be reasonable.
What we have running our government would fit right in with the dreams of Mao.
They want a one world government and to have that, they are draining the American economy, which also serves to make us too weak to challenge them once they have everything in place.
April 26th, 2007 at 10:30 pmAnd this guy knows about war because…?
April 26th, 2007 at 10:31 pmPaul; Go f*ck yourself!!! If you defend these fascist war criminals, you are an accessory to war crimes.
April 26th, 2007 at 10:36 pm100. Comment by Boy Scout -
Sorry, that has already happened:
Executive Order Numbers and Meaning:
10900 – Allows the government to take control over all modes of transportation, highways, and seaports.
April 26th, 2007 at 10:40 pm10995 – Allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
10997 – Allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.
10998 – Allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
11000 – Allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
11001 – Allows the government to take over all health, education, and welfare functions.
11002 – Designates the Postmaster General to operate national registration of all persons.
11003 – Allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
11004 – Allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, and designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
11005 – Allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.
11051 – Specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
11310 – Grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
11049 – Assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen-year period.
11921 – Allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and flow of money in the U.S.A. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when the President declares a state of emergency, Congress cannot review the action for six months.
Another firmly planted kick to the neocon nuts and Kristol just puckers up and takes it like man. The blood on his hands helps him channel the spirit of Leo Strauss.
April 26th, 2007 at 10:40 pmI totally agree that we cannot win the war in Iraq.
But this is not because we couldn’t win the war. America certainly has the economic power to win—we beat the Germans and Japanese at the same time.
But when we fought World War II, we realized the incredible level of commitment required. It was probably the hugest national sacrifice ever required by individual Americans in our history, for the greatest reason.
In particular, there were two ways that America committed to winning World War II:
1. National Draft
2. Raise Taxes
If we were able to occupy Iraq with half a million soldiers, with a fully funded effort to provide our soldiers with body armor and everything required to win, of course America is capable of winning with the war. But truly we are not ready to accept that price.
When the caller told Mr. Kristol how much strain the war has been on her military family, she said that people like he supporting such a war mentality also should be support a draft. I agree, because people like Mr. Kristol and policy groups like his American Enterprise Group have been so hawkish without wanting to assuming any of the burden.
Mr. Kristol and his groups strongly reject draft that would require their families to equally share the burden that the caller must bear. And they consider tax increases to be in ideological evil—in fact they favor particular tax cuts that would favor the wealthiest individuals, such as themselves.
Anyone that is not willing to support our troops with both taxes and a draft has no business with sending our them into a war.
April 26th, 2007 at 10:41 pm#101
Juan C
I hear he is really good at that board game “RISK” …
He used to beat Dan Quayle at it all of the time.
I think the board game victories went to his head.
I mean, beating Dan Quayle at “RISK” makes you a brave man – a very brave man …
April 26th, 2007 at 10:42 pmWilliam Kristol is a worthless SOB. Nothing else to say about a chickenshit chickenhawk who has never served but thinks war is grand. F*ck you warmongering weasel and everyone who agrees with your non-sense.
April 26th, 2007 at 10:45 pmre #24 Paul and his “cancerous leg”…. so its ok for the Surgeon/Decider to diagnose as “cancerous” and worthy of amputation/invasion/destruction any body part he chooses, even without the “patient’s” permission…? I am afraid this would be called MALpractice in most places and worthy of loss of medical license and a hefty suit for damages and pain and misery….your support of the evil ones in Washington has caused unmeasurable death and destruction in the middle east…and you justify because…oh, i know, a handful of lunatics blew up a couple of buildings in new york…get over it. What happened on 9/11 does not justify any of the madness of king george and his evil puppetmaster chaney….none….I fear them far more than any threat from external enemies…
April 26th, 2007 at 10:46 pmI feel terrible sorry for this woman. But she is appealing to a heatless, souless ghoul! He is a psychopath. He does’nt give a shit about people like her. The tragedy is that despite being so wrong about everything, this man is seen on TV and treated as if he is some kind of an expert. This know nothing is treated with respect by the media.
April 26th, 2007 at 10:48 pmWhat I want to know is what does it take in this country, what do you have to do in order for some TV executive to say “enough is enough, you’ve been wrong about everything, thousands of people are dead because of you, now get lost and never show your face on my network again”.
Kristol doesn’t even qualify as a human being anymore. He is an ideological psychopath.
April 26th, 2007 at 10:56 pm#105
JoesphP
I like your spirit.
But absent the Shinseki approach (400,000 to 500,000 troops – at the beginning ) there were reports that indicated the war would be very difficult to win because the high likelihood of multiple and (by our standards) somewhat irrational enemies. This plus the fact the the place was armed to the sky with tons of munitions .
Check out the US Army War College report of FEB 2003 if you want. Go to page 7 for the conclusions.
http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/PUB182.pdf
April 26th, 2007 at 10:56 pmIt’s a long thread and forgive me if this has been mentioned. I agree with the following post:
“The truth is, Bush and Republicans would not support a draft because it would be bad politically. He knows the entire country would walk the streets demanding the Iraq War be ended immediately. So more soldiers will get the word their tour has been extended. More children will hear Dad won’t be coming home. More wives and husbands will have to make do on their own for even longer. More troops will just mentally break down from all the stress and pressure of their 2nd or 3rd tours.
Comment by brianS — April 26, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
I’d like to add an addendum. When those soldiers eventually do return stateside, and their ability to function militarily, or socialogically, is diminished, (physically or mentally) the VA will smack them with a “Personality Disorder” and deny them any further medical treatment or further VA benefits. Leaving the vet, and his/her family out to dry.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070409/kors
Way to take care of the troops, Bush.
I weep for this family (referring to the Kristol caller) and all other families in the same situation. It just ain’t right to let this continue. How I hope for the mourning when I wake up and hear “Our long national nighmare is over” (referring to the end of the war and removing our current Criminal in Chief).
April 26th, 2007 at 10:58 pmIf we were able to occupy Iraq with half a million soldiers, with a fully funded effort to provide our soldiers with body armor and everything required to win, of course America is capable of winning with the war.
Comment by JosephP — April 26, 2007 @ 10:41 pm
This was once true. I doubt it is true today. We might need twice that many troops now to impose a West Bank/Gaza style security solution, which can hardly be considered victory.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:05 pm#105 says: If we were able to occupy Iraq with half a million soldiers, with a fully funded effort to provide our soldiers with body armor and everything required to win, of course America is capable of winning with the war.
Comment by JosephP — April 26, 2007 @ 10:41 pm
We won the war. And then there was the occupation. The only way you subdue a population is by making their lives better. BushCo isn’t even an improvement over Saddam. That is pathetic.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:13 pmWhat I want to know is what does it take in this country, what do you have to do in order for some TV executive to say “enough is enough, you’ve been wrong about everything, thousands of people are dead because of you, now get lost and never show your face on my network againâ€.
Comment by rk — April 26, 2007 @ 10:48 pm
Call someone a “Nappy—————-”
April 26th, 2007 at 11:17 pmWhat is Kristol doing on that show? He’s a mouthpiece. I thought they put only knowledgeable people on there. Man, the money of the GOP extends out far and wide.
Do you notice that everytime a Republican starts a conversation, they start it with…..”well, look.” What’s with the “look” thing?
I agree with Kristol on expanding the army. And I think we should start with his kids.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:22 pmWe all laghed at Bagdad Bob, Kristol and the like are no different. They just don’t get it. If some of you think we won over there hold that thought and say it again in five years and see how stupid you look. You won’t have the Dems to blame YOU WANTED THIS.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:22 pm#114
JPark is correct.
The report I reference deals with the “reconstruction” phase.
Since most professionals were more concerned about the phase following the initial combat phase, I tend to look at this phase as the actual “war” – especially since encountering these difficulties was clearly not “optional” given the lack of planning for it by the Bush admin.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:33 pmI was mortified…
…C-span gave this basta*d Kristol almost an hour…
…to ACT like an EXPERT on Iraq, and the state of America/the world…
…a criminal TRAITOR who should be hung THEN shot for his LIES and propaganda on IRAQ and the CRIMINAL BUSHITE junta…
…and C-Span gave him AND Repulsivescum inbred callers the entire morning almost…
…to lie, spin, obfuscate, revise history and it MADE me ILL…
…the ONE caller who called in to challenge Kristol was cut off…
…by that BI*CH Connie whatever her last name is…
…now THERE’S a Repulsivescum C*NT if I ever saw one…
…C-Span has become shameful in its pandering to the right wing conned’self-serving 30% deadender Bushites…
…their format of Repulsivescum-Independent-Democrat-Repulsivescum-Democrat-Repulsivescum-Independent…
…clearly GIVES the ILLUSION that the Bushites are making acomeback…
…WE MUST TAKE BACK THE MEDIA!
…MSNBC’s political debate analysts were so ostensibly PRO-Hillary, “centrist”, ESTABLISHMENT…
…anyone who didn’t actually SEE the debate…
…would’ve thought the OTHER Dem candidates were potted plants and fumble-fu*ks…
…ESPECIALLY Obama…
…the WHITE MAN’s media went outof its usually racist way…
…to make Obama the night’s big LOSER and Hillary the night’s big WINNER…
…using none other than that stalwart left wing base teamof:
Bob Shrum and Pat Buchanan…
April 26th, 2007 at 11:39 pmRaven – I like Richardson, too – he and Edwards would be a good team (don’t care who is prez or vp) because one has the diplomatic and international relations background and the other is sold on domestic issues.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:42 pmWhy is a HACK like Kristol continually given a soap box to talk from when he has been consistantly 180 degrees off from reality and throughout the entire occupation and the run-up to it?
What does it take to get shamed off of TV and print? Apparently you can say any absurd thing as long as you’re pro-occupation and a pro-Bush Republicanist.
I’m going to go puke in disgust. Night ya’ll.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:47 pmThe other day I read “The Deserter’s Tale,” Joshua Key’s story. The book is full of terrible stories about what is alledgedly going on every day in Iraq, but the thing that disturbed me most about the book was a couple of little factoids he droped in with no fanfair, basically showing that it is the norm.
I don’t have the book with me, I loaned it to a friend, so I’m paraphrasing, but the first one was was when Josh woke in the night and reached for his gun “even though it had not worked for weeks.”
The second, later in the same chapter, he was talking about being on guard duty with another member of his unit and he states “that tonight they were fully armed in the guard tower as he had borrowed a working weapon from another member in his unit.”
How on Earth are these men and women meant to survive, let alone “win” when they don’t even have the absolute war basics like functioning weapons? The war is a farce and anyone who thinks otherwise is either deluded or has their own axe to grind. I don’t care if they want a new world order or to return to a “simpler time,” enough is enough, if you have an axe to grind, good for you, but it’s time to stop grinding it on the bodies of the soldiers who never made it home and the bodies of the innocent Iraqis who have lost their homes, their country and their identities.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:49 pmThought Police out in force…
…goodbye TP…
April 26th, 2007 at 11:53 pmAfter all the completely wrong calls this man has made… how can anyone in good faith put this guy on as an *expert* in any topic?
April 27th, 2007 at 12:44 amSleazyBilly…Please Support the Troops and walk into Dark Alleys Alone whenever you can.
There are a LOT of very angry marines and paratroopers that would love to turn you into one greasy little SPOT for all your “work”.
April 27th, 2007 at 12:58 amKristol belongs in prison.
April 27th, 2007 at 1:05 am#124 I agree. Although I won’t ADVOCATE it, if a disgruntled soldier took out Kristol, I’d feel that he GOT WHAT HE DESERVED…
April 27th, 2007 at 1:54 amWhat’s the difference between Bill Kristol and the Grinch?
April 27th, 2007 at 1:57 amEven though it was three sizes too small, the Grinch’s heart was still a thousand times larger than Kristol’s.
#97
Actually, to be fair Kristol has one son who is Marine ROTC and will likely be heading over very soon when he graduates to all these places his dad wants to go to war with.
I don’t agree with Kristol on much, but I do respect that unlike the rest of the GOP he doesn’t change his convictions whenever it may impact him personally (like all the GOP Senators with family members with diseases who suddenly supported stem cell research).
April 27th, 2007 at 2:09 amWe won the war. And then there was the occupation. The only way you subdue a population is by making their lives better. BushCo isn’t even an improvement over Saddam. That is pathetic.
Comment by JPark
I wish people would stop repeating this, as it is incorrect, and uncritically accepts the republican take on the issue. The war was never won, because it never ended; it merely shifted gears, to a guerilla-war phase. Please stop repeating this canard, OK?
April 27th, 2007 at 2:09 amCanard??
I once owned a Rolls/Canardly!!
Rolls down one hill, Canardly make it up the next…
April 27th, 2007 at 2:29 amPatience, big papa. I do need to read you.
April 27th, 2007 at 2:42 amTypical Israel-First Zionist POS. War for Israel no matter what it costs the stupid goyim.
April 27th, 2007 at 9:21 am……..
its ALL about the oil, about stopping it completely, because the taliban wanted a bigger cut for the pipeline through their turf. its ALL about the genocide and scorched earth policy of using DEPLETED URANIUM MUNITIONS to destroy ALL LIFE in the area, inclusive to our people sent there who also infect their loved ones upon returning. its probably also ALL about the OPIUM.. taliban destroyed all the crops when they didnt agree to giving them their cut for above mentioned pipeline. VIETMAN, tons of opium was brought into the US in soldiers coffins. its ALL ABOUT ALL OF THESE THINGS !! (how did CIA man get the nickname ‘poppy bush’ ?!!) they dont care how many suffer or die at all in wanting total control everywhere and profits made in these exploitations regardless of how criminal and will say ANYTHING to try to justify it all, the world knows whats going on and who the real terrorists are… the ones running this BS show lining their pockets.
April 27th, 2007 at 9:21 amAnd _that_, folks, is why we call these war-mongering, shit-sacks, neocon SCUM.
April 27th, 2007 at 9:24 am“Foreign policy obligations of the future” – what does this glib little man have in mind?
He could probably be called on his remark that he argued for a larger military (did he say “after 9/11″?) – I seem to recall that Rumsfeld wanted a leaner military for a “cakewalk” and that he wanted to rely on air power to extend power. Rumsfeld was the object of a fawning biography by Kristol’s mother, Midge Decter.
This man will keep lying the way a leaky pipe will keep spewing sewage. He is evasive and dismissive, even of a caller like the one he heard. He is not entitled to be in the driver’s seat of our foreign policy — and for another metaphor, he’s the dishonest cabdriver who takes the longest path for his own gain. The only virtue of listening to him? Know your enemy.
April 27th, 2007 at 9:39 amReality and the truth is poisonous to neoclowns like kristol, trannie coulter, and our own little home grown toyko rose michelle malkin. consistently, when confrtonted by the facts, they grow visibly uncomfortable and skirt the issue presented to them which, is glaringly apparent in kristol’s response to the caller. if kristol “had dinner” with “friends who’s son just returned from iraq” you can be sure that “friend’s son” had a nice cushy job within the green zone thanks to favors pulled by scumbags like kristol and came home with some of those five dollar rugs mc cain was so proud of buying in baghdad
April 27th, 2007 at 9:42 amSo we should create policy based on what the wives of military members feel? This is your normal liberal PR bullcrap. Once again with meaningless emotional drivel. You should be ashamed using our military wives against their husbands cause.
BTW, Maybe make a post explaining how retreating will somehow provide a better chance for democracy, freedom, and peace in Iraq over having the USA work to fix the problem we created. Also, please explain how it is morally ok to leave the Iraqi people right in the middle of their struggle for democracy. I really want to know what your thinking because bailing on the Iraqi people right now seems extremely heartless.
April 27th, 2007 at 10:19 amLaura Bush can say she’s suffered more than women who’ve lost husbands, fathers, and sons.
Comment by david
Only because she is married to Chimpy. Which is why she is looking more and more like a stoned idiot. She smiled at the Easter Rabbits on the White House lawn and (she had the gall) to have the same smile on her face at the Virginia Tech memorial service. Laura deserves what she gets.
April 27th, 2007 at 10:32 amKristol is a nazi. Pure and simple. End of story.
April 27th, 2007 at 10:45 amKristol is so hot.
April 27th, 2007 at 11:16 amKristol is a Zionist warmongering, PNAC ahole! Period! He is pure evil and LIES, LIES AND LIES! HE and rest of pure evil PNAC Zionist group ONLY gives a damn about Zionist agenda and that is ALL! And their selfish, lying BS about reasons for illegal,immoral wars! HE IS PURE EVIL AND A TOTAL LIAR! And needs to be given HELL everyday! Along with rest of PURE EVIL ZIONIST bastards in PNAC! And pure evil New World Order too! Who DO worship Satan, I kid you NOT!
April 27th, 2007 at 11:25 amjay b how do you know he has a son in rotc,and he’s going to IRAQ,so give me the numbers to the lottory.
April 27th, 2007 at 11:28 amComment by ann dover — April 26, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
RIGHT ON! NONE OF THESE PURE EVIL PNAC GROUP GUNG HO WAR PROFITEERING BASTARDS EVER SERVE! THEY ARE ALL TOO BUSY MAKING BLOOD MONEY OFF OUR INJURIED AND DEAD TROOPS THROUGH HALLIBURTON AND REST OF DEFENSE INDUSTRY TO GIVE A DAMN ABOUT OUR POOR TROOPS, MUCH LESS INNOCENT FOREIGNER’S! THE ONLY PEOPLE F*CKING KRISTOL CARES ABOUT IS AIPAC AND PURE EVIL PNAC GROUP AND ZIONIST F*CKING PURE EVIL AGENDA! WAKE UP SHEEPLE! AIPAC AND ISRAEL ARE RUNNING AND RUINING AMERICA TOO! Google: PNAC and READ! They are behind 9-11 too! They even said in their “Plans” that they needed a “New Pearl Harbor” for their sick, pure evil plans to move quicker! THEY HAD PLANS LONG BEFORE 9-11 TO INVADE IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN! THE PURE EVIL PNAC GROUP OF WHICH THIS PIECE OF SHIT KRISTOL IS PART OF, HAD PLANS IN 2000 TO INVADE IRAQ, WHETHER SADDAM WAS THERE OR NOT! THEY EVEN SAY SO IN THEIR F*CKING, PROJECT FOR A NEW AMERICAN CENTURY! I kid you NOT! They are pure, PURE EVIL AND PURE TRAITORS TO AMERICA! Most if NOT all of them have DUAL citizenship between U.S. and Israel! Which is BULLSHIT AS YOU KNOW WHERE THEIR LOYALITES LIE AND IT IS NOT WITH AMERICA! NEITHER IS MOST OF CONGRESS’S LOYALTY WITH AMERICA BUT WITH ISRAEL, MCCAIN INCLUDED AND OBAMA TOO! AND OTHERS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, INCLUDING HELLARY, TOO! THEY ARE ALL, ALL PART OF PURE EVIL NEW WORLD ORDER WHO DOES,DOES WORSHIP SATAN, I KID YOU NOT!
April 27th, 2007 at 11:34 amKristol is pure SCUM and worse and belongs to PURE EVIL PNAC GROUP!
April 27th, 2007 at 11:36 amFirst of all, the United States is NOT a democracy; it is a constitutional republic. There is a HUGE difference. Ben Franklin said that a democracy ALWAYS leads to tyranny. As he put it, “A democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.” Bill Kristol and his neo-con peers think in terms of theories and ideals; which are great if you live in a vacuum. Unfortunately we do not live in a vacuum; we live in the real world where an incredible amount of variables make theories and ideals laughable and ridiculous and inevitably dire and destructive consequences. THAT IS THE POINT OF THE CONSTITUTION. It is a guideline on how to avoid people like this influencing foreign and domestic policy. We need politicians that only enforce the Constitution; NOT dismantle it in the name of SECURITY!
April 27th, 2007 at 11:48 amthey just can’t deal with it when you push their shite back in their faces…
April 27th, 2007 at 11:49 amComment #103 by JTitor
Executive Order Numbers and Meaning:…
Thanks for the wake up. One more national “event” and we’ll be a dictatorship. We spent trillions fighting the Soviets for half a century to emulate them. Totalitarianism must not have been a bad thing after all.
April 27th, 2007 at 12:16 pm911 Truth Ends War
April 27th, 2007 at 1:01 pmBill Kristol,this piece of trash needs to be in a orange jump suit and leg irons along with the other neocon chicken hawks.i am outraged that c-span would have a mass murdering thug on their programing. this bastard was never elected to anything. 911 was a falseflag operation,and C-span won’t have anyone on that can prove this. Steven Jones a professer of science can prove it. tests were done on the steel and ground Zero and it shows clearly that the towers were brought down by controled demolition.
P.S. SHAME ON C-SPAN!!!
April 27th, 2007 at 1:03 pmWhat a talking head echoes, shouldn’t be the effrontery everyones reacting to.
How about the fact the troops are not coming home? The Reason their still dieing? The President & his gabg are still in Office & can do what ever they want?
I’m a liberal & I have always held we, the USA, needs a large “One US!” Army. “One US” was the designation for a draftee entering the Mess Hall during Viet Nam.
We’re where we are because no one cared to do anything when Bush et al were beating the Drums. Maybe if we all had an investment in the pot we’d be more active in the decisions to use our armies?
Plus the citizen soldier comes home already trained to take up arms, yeah, maybe then our government & those who pull the strings would be prudent in fearing the population again?
This very rite of passage for our youth into the real value & obligation of citizenship, the vote, for me has always outweighted any other justification for not having a manditory Draft. And if it is unfairly applied, we, the people, have the responibility to correct it, just like this present War of waste & greed.
Rather than repeatedly getting upset at dunderheads & crass A*****, take away their reason for existance……………..
Supprot our Troops..Bring them Home Now!
April 27th, 2007 at 1:08 pmSupport our Country…make US Strong!
You guys are being way too harsh on Kristol. You do not understand the stress he is under. See, Bill Kristol and his crowd were born with spurs, while you and I and our cohorts, we were all born with saddles. It is his job in life to ride herd on we poor cattle, to watch over us, to rule us for his own purposes. It is our job to bleat “Yes Sir, may I have another!” when he hits us.
“Land of the free, home of the brave”?
I defy you to find any empiric evidence in support of that phrase.
We are cattle and we deserve the fate of cattle precisely because we are so spineless that we let weasels like Kristol continue to spout their treason.
April 27th, 2007 at 1:13 pmBill Kristol is a criminal and has no allegiance to the United States. He should be prosecuted as a war criminal.
April 27th, 2007 at 1:15 pmYou American smucks should just bit your lips and take it in the ass. You must fight for us. We are the superior race. We are God’s chosen. So Americans, where is your Rambos and GI Joes and Janets??? Get it on and go kill some Ayrabs for us. Remember the rapture is upon us and you will be saved only if you do the bidding of Zionist Jews. Remember Jesus is a Jew too. So the sacrifice is worth it. You are already waist deep in this shit. There is no way to turn back…it is too late. Listen to brave Bush and the wonderful neo-cons they are your true leaders. Remember 911 fight for those who were killed by those Muslim terrorists. Eat those IEDs for breakfast, lunch and dinner and its ok if you die let God take care of the kids.
April 27th, 2007 at 1:19 pmThe insurgents aren’t “terrorists”, they’re people who’ve been labeled such for simply defending their families, themselves, their country, and their property from the occupiers, who are there illegally and for the wrong reasons. The situation will NEVER be solved with military brute force, yet the Bush, Cheney cabal believes adding MORE sacrificial lambs
April 27th, 2007 at 1:22 pmto the slaughter will work. The agenda of the Neo-Cons, led by their masters, the global elitists/bankers, is to NEVER leave and to continue to slaughter innocent civilians, escalate the Sunni/Shiite civil war, and secure
the 75-80% of the oil for American and foreign oil companies. The more that gets out about what’s REALLY going on in Iraq and elsewhere, the
more the misinformed public can be informed and take action to end this.
I wish the people who comment on the potilical structure of the U.S. would do some research on our political system which is not a democracy at all it is a representative republic.The founding fathers knew they didn’t want 51% controling 49% of the people.
April 27th, 2007 at 1:34 pmWhy does this guy get to be on C-Span to begin with?
April 27th, 2007 at 1:51 pmBill Kristol, PNAC (Project for a New American Century) crony and criminal cabal monster, should have been asked, ” If you believe in this “war” (mass murder), then why haven’t your two children enlisted to serve their country in combat.” What would his answer be to that?” Of course the spineless, criminal, corrupt, cheerleading mainstream media doesn’t have the balls or the stones to ask ANY critical, important, relevant questions to the criminal cabal ruining this world and the people in it. We the people need to voice our opinions more and DEMAND that our Constitution be defended WITHOUT compromise, from ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. The longer we allow these criminals to rape, pillage, murder, etc., those in other nations, as well as our own, our silence equals complicity. NEVER, EVER trust what government says and does. The only thing that matters is what their
April 27th, 2007 at 2:27 pmleaders, the elitist, globalist bankers, tell them to do and how to carry it out. Yes, there are patriots who stand in the way to atop these monsters, but instead of us waiting for them to save us, we need to help them defeat the cabal of criminals, by informing the misinformed to what is REALLY going on in the world. Knowledge is the key. Inform, inform, inform. The TRUTH is the enemy of the state. We need to remember that a government should fear the people, not the people fear government. The war on terror, drugs, climate, etc., are ALL FRAUDS, period! The government(s) use these scams to scare the hell out of us so we then turn to them for help, thus ensnaring us in their control and enslavement, which is just what their agenda is. 9/11, the “New Pearl Harbor” that the Neo-Cons needed for the agenda of their masters, is slowly being exposed for the false-flag it is. Continue to inform the misinformed about it. Point them to sites, blogs, and every and anything you can dig up, it’s ALL there. The internet, the last bastion of majority TRUTH, can NEVER be government controlled. More and more people are turning to it for the news and the “real” truth about what is going on all around us. No matter what they try to tell you, DON’T BELIEVE IT! They lie, distort, misinform, distract, and want you to believe what they tell you. The last President to show and tell us what they were trying to do to us and the world, John F. Kennedy, was murdered by the cabal, as was his brother, Robert F. Kennedy in 1968, and JFK Jr. in 1999. As it is with “them” (the cabal), bad is good and good is bad. The Kennedy’s were not the ruthless, corrupt, do to others no matter the consequences kind of people and family. They put people, here and abroad,and their country first. NOT money, greed, or power. They defended the Constitution, the way the forefathers wanted and did, not trample and obliterate it like those after them.
Kristol Kwotes
Kristol on April 4, 2003:
“There’s been a certain amount of pop sociology in America … that the Shia can’t get along with the Sunni and the Shia in Iraq just want to establish some kind of Islamic fundamentalist regime. There’s almost no evidence of that at all. Iraq’s always been very secular.”
Kristol on April 28, 2003:
The United States committed itself to defeating terror around the world. We committed ourselves to reshaping the Middle East, so the region would no longer be a hotbed of terrorism, extremism, anti-Americanism, and weapons of mass destruction. The first two battles of this new era are now over. The battles of Afghanistan and Iraq have been won decisively and honorably.
Kristol on Sept. 18, 2002:
A war with Iraq “could have terrifically good effects throughout the Middle East.”
Kristol is one of many neocons that should be tried for treason.
In doing the research it became apparently clear that a group of individuals within and outside of the U.S. government were influencing the direction of our foreign policy not to our benefit but for the benefit of a foreign country. Some allegedly profited from the war. Many of these individuals had dual loyalties, one to the U.S.(weak) and the other to a foreign nation (strong).
The irony of it all is that these individuals have not been brought to account for their complicity in taking us to war. Instead, they have either resigned from their government positions (Douglas Feith , Richard Perle) or been appointed to a new job such as the head of the World Bank(Paul Wolfowitz). Some have taken on a low profile while others, now that the U.S. pre-emptive invasion of Iraq has met with insurmountable obstacles, are still appearing on TV talk shows, C-SPAN, writing Op-Ed pieces etc. trying to justify their positions on the invasion of Iraq and casting the blame for the failure on our military leaders. They cannot save their discredited and bloodstained ideology; they can only try saving certain individuals(Lewis Scooter Libby) from spending a good deal of time behind bars where they belong. If they succeed then justice will not have been served.
See
The genesis of the war on Iraq
http://www.angelfire.com/indie/iraqwar/
In defense of LCDR John Sharpe
http://www.angelfire.com/indie/johnsharpe/
Zionism
April 27th, 2007 at 2:41 pmhttp://www.angelfire.com/indie/zionism/index.html
Why does Krystol use the word “We”, when he talks about military suffering. Like all the lying War-Hawks, the man is a money worshipping liar.
April 27th, 2007 at 2:53 pmI’m so sad to see our nation is run by Zionist-Isreali’s like that of William Kristol, Paul Wolfowtiz and Richerd Pearle, that want to wage a 100 year war in the middle east to help there beloved Isreal become the world superpower, the zionist are running America to the ground, ropping us of everything that made this nation great, freedom, health, wealth and the life blood of our nation is sucked up for Isreal, they are living as kings with unlimited wealth here and in isreal, as we see our life here in america is becoming more and more harder, we can’t pay for our health care, housing, gas, we are becoming homeless with high tax’s, as there zionist owened ( wal street , banks, insurance co., oil co., even the Federal Reserve) are sucking everything we have and sending it back to isreal, I wish to god that america would wake up and see what is being done to us all, our government, media and armed force’s is under there control, all I’m saying is america must come frist, we don’t want to pay for isreal war’s with our blood and tax money, as they profit with oil and power,you can see where this is all going, as we fight a war of lie’s in Iraq, they are working on anthor war for us, this time it’s Iran, you can see it on our daily new’s, as if Iran is ready to atack us, when all the facts show that they are not , they want us to hate iran to start another war for isreal, may God let us see the evil that they do, and help us in making our nation and the world a peacfull loving place for all of us to live in, and God Bless America.
April 27th, 2007 at 2:53 pmTypical Krystal BS response of his PNAC-Neocon-Straussian superiority complex.
He’s the “expert” (borrowing presumably from Plato’s Republic nonsense of governing where the leaders know and can stand against the public through the utterance of “noble lies”) and ne certainly doesn’t or wouldn’t want to get his hands dirty.
Why does anyone give this ASS any airtime is the real question!!!!!
April 27th, 2007 at 3:03 pmThis weasel is just a war profiteer. He’s been cheerleading for war for decades.
I think we should call him the neocon’s josef goebbells.
April 27th, 2007 at 3:06 pmTo the neocon trolls that think BK is a BFD-neocon poster boy – I can direct you to the nearest recruitment station. Time to put your bloody arse where your wagging tongues are!
April 27th, 2007 at 3:13 pmIt’s time for V.
April 27th, 2007 at 3:15 pmNO military spouse (who loves that spouse) wants them deployed. That said….your only room for complaint is if hubby left another career to join the military AFTER you married. If you marry someone in the military and then commence to whine……maybe you should look in the mirror and complain to THAT person for choosing someone with a job you don’t like!
April 27th, 2007 at 3:27 pmAfter having searched the http://www.whitehouse.gov site, specifically the list of Executive Orders, none of those that #103 (JTitor) listed are present in the list at all… Do the search yourselves, check facts before swallowing the pills you’re fed!
April 27th, 2007 at 3:46 pmA more direct link to the real list of exsisting Executive Orders, for those of you who want to look for yourselves:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/orders/
There’s a nice little searchbox up top, just do a Boolean(quotes around a phrase, ie: “Executive Order 10900″, the first on his list) search for each of the alleged Orders, and begin wondering why someone would go to the trouble to fabricate a such an official-looking dungheap…
April 27th, 2007 at 3:58 pmThanks to James at #142 for the Ben Franklin quote on the tryanny of Democracy: “. . . two wolves and one sheep voting on what’s for dinner.”
Thanks to Ed at #154 for the Bill Kristol foot-in-mouth sampling.
Thanks to Faiz for this post. Can’t quite convey how moved I’ve been this week by the voices of truth within the military. Kevin Tillman and Jessica Lynch breathed poetic clarity into the Waxman hearing on the progaganda the military brass played upon the home audience. And now this military wife–in, what, a minute, two at most–presents a searing picture of the strain military families are suffering and puts the lie to the Neo-con justifications for staying in Iraq.
This latter, by the way, is not the same as calling Kristol a liar, which she never does. The post’s narrative introduction to the video clip does the caller a disservice by indicating that she labels Kristol a liar. Her actual remark about Kristol’s claim that it is only the insurgents threatening the troops is far more subtle and indirect:
The indirectness of her attack on Kristol’s assertion, through protecting the integrity of her husband, is a far more devastating discrediting of Kristol than we could ever hope to see in a military wife’s calling him out as a liar .
April 27th, 2007 at 4:00 pmKristol’s father was a communist.
Kristol is a member of PNAC and regarded by many as one of the primary people involved in the PNAC requested New Pearl HArbor false flag terror attack on his own country.
An Israel firster traitor to the United States.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:03 pmKristol is an idiot and the lady that called is an idiot, I hope they both die.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:06 pmYa know,if these idiots keep this up our own military could turn on them.Would’nt that be great,a military coup to toss GW,Cheney and all warmongers that would’nt know what to do if they got a flat tire let alone an m16 pointed at their stupid heads.Getting sick of it all.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:09 pmI don’t listen to Kristol for the simple reason the news media is our worst enemy. And, until the citizens of this country will realize this, we will forever be divided. I must admit I can only laugh at many of these comments as too many of you have no concept of anything that is going on, for the same reason I said at the beginning. You are basing what you say solely on what you hear or read, without doing any sort of “homework” to find if it is true, or, what was omitted. To begin, though I support our troops at all times, I also do not agree with how we were taken into Iraq. For Bush to rely solely on the WMD matter, was not right, as it was the cause of failure in the beginning when no WMD’s were found. BUT, what everyone is forgetting is what happened in 1998 when Saddam threw the inspectors out of Iraq. Not since then has the media mentioned even one word of this. Remember, folks, Saddam would cooperate one day and not cooperate the next. Then, he threw them out for good. We must now ask “Were the inspectors able to finish their work? Were there any areas the inspectors were not able to check? Was Saddam lying from the beginning as to having WMD’s? Or, did he actually have any? Too many questions not asked. But, what was fact, was how he had slaughtered civilians. Also, don’t forget his attack on Kuwait. He did support terrorism. Yes, I believe we should have gone in to get him out, but, again, it could have been handled differently.
But, the biggest question any of us should ask is “What is the right war? Of course, the answer by all of us is “NONE”. We all get emails claiming things to be true, when sometimes, they aren’t. That is where homework comes in. Do your own research as all you need to know is online. You just have to look for it. If not, visit your library. Look at WWII. Germany never attacked us, Japan did. North Korea never attacked us. Vietnam never attacked us and look what happened. Though Truman took us into Vietnam, if JFK had only sat down with North Vietnam, the war would have never happened. This is documented.
Then you move on to politics. It has been said from day one that when someone comes up to you and says “I’m from the government and I want to help you”, you don’t say “How”, you run as fast as you can the other way. There is no such thing as a honest politician. They will lie to fit their agenda. Some examples are:
1. Since the onset, everyone is claiming that Haliburton received their contract due to Cheney. This has yet to be proven, and, is still only speculation. People who do not understand how the bidding process works will never find an answer until they do. BUT, guess who recently resigned from her responsibilities as the Chairman of the Senate Military Construction Appropriations Subcommittee. It was Diane Feinstein (D, California). Why is because she got caught getting her own husband’s company contracts approved for billions of dollars in Iraq. Since 1997. Mind you, she was also one who yelled about Cheney and Haliburton. Conflict of interest, anyone? Immediate resignation should be in demand.
2. The claim of our going into Iraq for the Oil. If this is true, then, why are we still getting our oil from the Gulf, South America, or other areas no where near Iraq? To me, if it was for the oil, we should be getting some of it here to get the price of Gasoline down, or other economic reasons. Do realize that none of our oil comes from Iraq. If one wants to claim it is only to reap the profits of oil sales, then we must also a question. If this is true, then why would Bush have to ask the Senate for more money? Wouldn’t it easier and no cost to us to just use the profits we are allegedly receiving from the oil?
3. When was the last time you heard of “Lying Willy” Clinton and his telling Sudan he “wasn’t interested” when they offered Osama to him on three separate occasions? How about his screwup in Beruit that cost American lives? Do you remember during the last Presidential election where every Democrat was yelling about Bush being the reason jobs were leaving this country? How blind you are. Old “Lying Willy” signed that into law in 1995 or 1996. It offered incentives to any corporation who outsourced to another country. In fact, Ross Perot stated on national TV that if Clinton signed that into law, you will be able to hear the jobs being sucked out of this country. As to Clinton and the Draft during Vietnam. It is so true as he did all that was available to avoid the draft by using college deferrments as he is a coward. Also, do recall his “affair”. He stood before the World and lied about it. Then went on to defend it to avoid impeachment. And they say Nixon was so bad with his ordeal. At least Nixon had a big enough pair to stand before the World and simply say ” I screwed up, therfore I resign”
4. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi’s recent trip to Syria can be considered Treason. Syria is an enemy of the US who supports and harbors terrorists. Do realize that this woman also contributed to the ROTC programs being tossed out of our schools, thus, denying any of our children the opportunity to experience the military and make their own decisions. She also contributed to the armed Forces Recruiters being banned from our schools. Again, denying our children the right to choose.
5. As to the comments above about the Swiftvets and John Kerry. Understand one very important thing about this. We Vietnam Veterans will never forgive Kerry for his acts and lies. Yes, everyone, the majority of what he said about us in Vietnam is a lie. his trips to PAris to sit down with the enemy was an act of Treason, if you read the statute. And, if you read the 13th amendment, Section 3, you will find he can’t hold public office.
6. Let’s look at another item on the list today. Why is it that when the Democrats raise a question, the media jumps on right now, but, when the repurlicans ask the same question, an easy response of “not true” from the Democrats stops any further reporting or comments. I’m referring to the firing of 8 attorneys that is so much in the news. Has anything ever really been brought up as to 1993, Clinton, and Reno. For those of you who ignored this, or do not recall, Clinton had Reno fire 93 attorneys in 1993. When the Republicans questioned this as being political, they responded as not, and nothing more was said.
Though the Constitution affords one the right to protest, too many of those who do protest, do not realize how you are helping the enemy. Read and understand the whole definiton of “Propaganda”, as described in any “Law” Dictionary, or even the other regular ones. As quoted by a leader of the insurgency during the last Presidential election, they wanted Kerry to win as they knew if he did, they would win this. He went on to add as to how the protesters were encouragement to them to continue the fight. the ignorance of a few is the joy of many. Yes, we who understand this laugh at you for your ignorance, and, at the same time, place the blood lost by our troops and innocent civilians on your shoulders. How sad to be the cause of this.
Then you add to this the comments made by cowards like Harry Reid and other idiots like “Worthless Mutha” Murtha, it only continues. Reid’s latest, most disgusting comments, can only be considered an act of Treason. Look at old Teddy. He can never stand in the shadows of his brothers as he does not deserve to be in their presence. Does anyone remember what happened to him when he walked away and let a young lady die? Was it only a fine?
As to the comment of corporations running this country. No truer words were ever spoken. The citizens of this country need to wake up and open their eyes. When they suspended the “gold” in 1933, and gave us the reserve notes, and followed in 1938, we, as citizens no longer have the rights afforded us in the constitution, in certain matters. The banks and corporations run this Country, Congress, and Us. If you do not believe this, then I challenge each of you to do your homework. Especially when it involes consumer debt and protections. Congress worte laws to protect us, but, when you need them, you find that most times it protects the creditor, not you. A good example of this is to read what the Board of Governors for the Federal Reserve System wrote when they enacted the new FACTA law. This statute says that any creditor who reports to the credit reporting agencies must notify the consumer in writing before reporting negative information. The whole theory behind this is to help curb identity theft. Believe me, it does no such thing. Again, it only protects the creditor. They have placed so many safeguards for the creditor, it is beyond ridiculous. Why is because victioms are not aware of the theft until notified by a collector six or more months down the road. Remember, the majority of we citizens do not monitor our credit reports. An example of this is that all thieves use their own address or a PO Box. Therefore, the creditor never has the victim’s true residence. In short, how are they to be properly notified? They can’t until too late. And, do understand to remove yourself from this disaster, it does not disappear overnight. It can take years.
Overall, if you want to bitch about something, know the facts before you say anything. And, if you don’t vote, you can’t bitch.
Yes, I am a totally Disabled Vietnam Veteran. Yes, I support our troops. My wife and I visit our wounded troops when we can. Being able to shop on bases, we have had the pleasure of speaking to many of those who have come home. The majority of them have the same thing to say, and that is, they would appreciate if the protesters would shut up and go home so the troops can get the job done. They also ask why the media only shows the bad, and, never the good. This involves photos of the good that is going on over there, which our media refuses to show. Do also know that the man who carried me out of the bush that disabled me came home from Kuwait last month after more than 10 years working for a contractor there. He can’t beleive the people of this country are so naive and brainwashed. For myself, and many others, this is why we do our homework before reacting. We feel better about ourselves and avoid unnecessary stress.
And, to those who have never served in combat, let alone the military, you have no right to criticize what you do not understand. Yes, you may question. Do understand that what our troops are facing over there is not a recognizable Army with an identifiable uniform. In short, they do not know who is and isn’t the enemy. This was a problem for us in Vietnam. They use innocent people to hide behind (remember “Blackhawk Down”), and since this is not a declared war, they do not abide by the Geneva Convention, yet, we must at all times. Even when the war was still a war, they never recognized the Geneva Convention, yet, we were required to.
As to the rest of you who attack all Republicans and this administration, I do not care what you think of me, but, do realize, I laugh at your total stupidity. Yes, I am a registered Republican, but, if a Democrat offers better, I will vote for them. I only stay this way as, if you do your homework, you will find that most times the Consitution is amended to fit an agenda, it began at a desk of a Democrat. it’s fact, people. Do your homework.
A closing example of another lie by the Democrats. Remember the idiot who was sworn in using the Quran? The Democrats made it known that the one used had belonged to Jefferson. They wanted everyone to believe that Jefferson accepted everyone. The truth is Jefferson had the Quran only to understand how to beat them. Remember who were Pirates around Algiers, Tripoli, and the Mediterranean? It was Muslims who slaughtered people, including children, took slaves to sell, and were totally beyond any sense of decency. The liberals wanted to continue paying them off, while Jefferson wanted it stopped. The reason being as when an agreement was made as to the amount of money demanded to stop, would only increase later. In short, there was no end in sight. Jefferson took it up and stopped them. This is a short and simple version. Books on this are available. Plus, the Learning Channel recently did a documentary on this.
Wake up people, wake up.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:09 pmSo folks lets get off our collective asses and get rid of these guys. Find impeachment sites and email your representatives to support impeachment resolutions. If enough of us get up and scream maybe we’ll be heard. This administration and its supporters are the most immoral and corrupt officials in history and we Americans are letting them get away with it! Ellen from PA
April 27th, 2007 at 4:35 pmOK, I am no William Kristol fan by any means, by stating half-truths and lies about his father is not going to help liberals. His father DID serve in Europe in WWII. His father was a communist, yeah, but for a long time now has been a neocon and is considered one of the leading early pushers of neocon theory. Who cares what his father used to think 60 years ago, it is the damage caused by his father’s thinking over the past 30-somewhat years that is the concern to me.
Also, Kristol’s mother is not Midge Decter–author of a pro-Rummy book–it is Gertrude Himmelfarb.
See comments 13, 16, 134, and 164 to see what I am writing about.
I would really love it if all liberals would start doing some research to back up their statements about people. When you state things that are not true because you decided not to take two minutes and do some research incredibly undermines your credibility in the mind of conservatives and cements the idea in their minds that you have no idea what you are talking about. It is very easy to disprove the referenced comments and calls the rest of their statements into question. How in any way whatsoever is that a positive outcome?
I expect conservatives to lie and tell half-truths to advance their position. That is one of the best tools liberals have to combat them. Liberals must always take the higher road and ignore the temptation of emotion and trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
Please, for the sake of all liberals, do your research. We can win the ideological war that is taking place in this country with the truth and facts. We do not need to resort to lies and half-truths like conservatives.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:47 pmwhen Americans stop using the term–neocons and instead use the real term Juice, The jewish warmongers will go away.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:10 pm911 was not done by arabs,you fools. Bill Kristol is aphonie. Why is it that jews like him hide behand wasp last name. Why only Jews are allowed to cower behand phonie religions and names ? Let’s send them back to Russia and Poland and free America from these BODY SNACTHERS.
he should be shot
April 27th, 2007 at 5:24 pmIt is time for our troops to think about desertion. They have been deceived, lied to, and made to risk their lives for less than nothing and to participate in horrible crimes. Why? For corporate resource control and the half-baked imperial fantasies of conceited upper-class twits like Billy Kristallnacht.
Is desertion an ugly word? Well, so is invasion. We can solve that with the magic of semantics and refer to desertion as personal liberation.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:34 pmThe chicken hawks and war shills would really love to bring our service people home, but when you say, “bring” all they hear is ring and they turn right back to stuffing the cash register with their ill gotten war profiteiring.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:40 pmfor treason. Looks at him mention 9/11 for his Israeli handlers.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:44 pmwho needs countries when we have a world?
really! when are people gonna figure out that patriotism is for sheep and that a humanitarian view far out-weighs waving a shitty lil’ flag, especia;;y the #1 terrorist state usa one?
April 27th, 2007 at 6:43 pmyour only room for complaint is if hubby left another career to join the military AFTER you married. If you marry someone in the military and then commence to whine……maybe you should look in the mirror and complain to THAT person for choosing someone with a job you don’t like!
Comment by vile venus
Oh, the true face of “compassionate conservatism!”
April 27th, 2007 at 6:47 pmThe 800 lb gorilla in the room noone wishes to mention is that the neo-con warmongers , the brains (not the bushies) who got us into the Iraq war i.e. Kristol, Wolfowitz, pearl, Feith, etc are all dual loyalist jews who want the goim to die and do the dirty work for Greater israel, if you want to be cannonfodder and die for them have a good trip on your one way trip to see Jehovah
April 27th, 2007 at 7:12 pm#140
I know him and his family. I didn’t say his son was definitely going to Iraq. Nobody will know that until after he graduates and joins the corps. But as a Marine its darn sure likely he will be fighting somewhere, that’s what that branch does.
April 27th, 2007 at 7:13 pmdefinitely, this guy ought to be shot.
April 27th, 2007 at 7:16 pmNo. 160 Comment by valiant venus — April 27, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
You deceptively stated:
NO military spouse (who loves that spouse) wants them deployed. That said….your only room for complaint is if hubby left another career to join the military AFTER you married. If you marry someone in the military and then commence to whine……maybe you should look in the mirror and complain to THAT person for choosing someone with a job you don’t like!
Oh,Venus sweetie!! Your sins of omission,tsk tsk. I’m simply shocked! You simply did not mention that this “Bush’s War” (truly called an invasion and occupation) was begun with lies and deception.
No one wants their loved one (or anyone else for that matter) be hurt or die in a “war” that should not have been started and should not be happening today. Then add the insult and injury due to the strain of extra deployments and the real fear due to being unprepared with inadequate equipment. And you blame the wife??
You strain credulity with your weak and deceptive argument. But as Lora says in No. 175:
Oh, the true face of “compassionate conservatism!â€
She is being so nice to you today! Be thankful for the big favor.
April 27th, 2007 at 7:24 pm#24, paul wrote:
“I believe that Kristol and republicans like him are willing to face the fact that war is very difficult and that it has and does cause a strain on America’s military and military families. ”
“Are progressives conversely willing to face the fact that there are negative consequences for inaction?”
“I wish I lived in the simple world that progressives call home.”
Paul, I wish I lived in the simple world that neocons and their sympathizers lived in.
I am neither “liberal” or “progressive”, I like to consider myself a realist, and the reality in this case is that this war was sold to us with blatant lies and no plan of action after deposing Saddam. Iraq posed little to no threat to the US or it’s allies, the simple fact is that the neoconservative element thinks that it is sound policy to declare war on any and all nations which do ot agree with their policies of plunder. “Neo-conservatism” is not conservatism at all, in fact it has become the most radical and dangerous political ideology since communism.
These people do not care how many Americans or Arabs have to die in order for their policies of global domination to take effect. How you could sympathize with such indifference to human life is well beyond my comprehension. Since the beginning of time, every nation or race that has chosen this path has been doomed to utter failure. We cannot possibly expect the entire world to bend to our will and accept the neocon version of “globalism” which essentially is a policy which will only make the rich richer and the poor poorer the world over, and is now clearly known as a policy of endless war for $$$ and the right to tax everyone to death.
Obviously, you have succumbed to the endless propaganda which spews forth from the mouths of blood-hungry neocons on a daily basis. “mushroom clouds” , “WMD’s” , ” extraordinary rendition” , ” detainment facilities”….and on and on and on. I am sorry to hear that they have you running scared from the politics of fear which they manipulate so well. My condolences. It’s OK, though, the rest of us Americans who are not as frightened as you are continuously fighting the political and ideological war to free you and the rest of the neocon zombies from certain enslavement. When you awake from your propaganda-induced coma, we will be there to welcome you and deliver you from fear and evil, we will be there to welcome you as a free American citizen – Free of fear, free of endless war, ande free of the tyranny that hasbecome the US government.
April 27th, 2007 at 7:27 pmWar is for an Oil Pipeline to a massive REfinery in Haifa Israel.
April 27th, 2007 at 7:37 pmThats it.
Jews will get 40% of Worlds Oil.
Bill Kristol is right, the goyim must fight & die for Israel. They are “Gods chosen” & their blood is more valuable.
Shalom
Please don’t join the military if you are going to complain. Please don’t ask to come home until the job is finished. You are embarrassing your WWII grandparents. Please, unless you are willing to go to the battlefield, become a truck driver or something.
April 27th, 2007 at 7:39 pmNO. 171 Comment by Rob M. — April 27, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
You opined:
“Is desertion an ugly word? Well, so is invasion. We can solve that with the magic of semantics and refer to desertion as personal liberation.”
Ah! The true brave patriots way to protest our country being taken over by neo fascist crazys with world domination as their goal. (In the 70s the smart ones went to Canada to protest another illegal war the American people were hoodwinked into with deception! Tonkin anyone?) Hitler didn’t have a clue how to go about that. BushCo refined the process considerably building on the history of Nixon, as the same neocons who were in power then, are today. Unfortunately, for the current neo-con cabal, they are washed up. History will record that the 2006 election did truly change the course of world history. Back from the brink, as they say.
Hey, Venus sweetie, any of your kids in Iraq? Do tell us about your own brave history. Oh, and will the RNC still pay you to play troll when Jan 2009 rolls all over you sad sacks.
Enquiring minds want to know.
April 27th, 2007 at 7:51 pmComment by Dan — April 27, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
“Please don’t join the military if you are going to complain. Please don’t ask to come home until the job is finished. You are embarrassing your WWII grandparents. Please, unless you are willing to go to the battlefield, become a truck driver or something.”
WTF???
Do you ever read what you write before you post? Do you even think about what you say? Do really have a brain? If you do you had me fooled. Sheesh…
April 27th, 2007 at 7:56 pmNo. 180 Comment by Zeke — April 27, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
Beautifully said Zeke! BRAVO!!
April 27th, 2007 at 8:05 pmKristol, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter and the other war mongers cry their cocodile tears when they talk about the sacrifice the service men and women and their families are making. But they always seem to ad the caveat ” but they knew what they were getting into when they volunteered.” So shouldn’t these same gasbags support the troops if the troops think they were sold a bill of goods about this stupid war and decide to “un-enlist” in the military? I think they should be able to resign from the military without penalty.
April 27th, 2007 at 8:39 pmThis guy is a complete loser. He should crawl back under the dead sea.
I served 2 13 month tours and can tell you this guy is a true sissy boy.
He is as soft as they come and would never survive what he ask other’s to do.
Thus real men have no respect for him.
April 27th, 2007 at 8:58 pmexcuse me but did anyone else hear the woman beg him to institute the draft?
April 27th, 2007 at 10:09 pmthe rest of us are supposed to be consigned because she is tired?
its a volunteer army folks.
i’m no fan of billy boy and his PNAC buddies but it disgusts me that she goes running to the very source of her problems and begs for a solution that takes the burden off of her the volunteer and places it on us.
screw you lady!
#198 – “…..and decide to “un-enlist†in the military? I think they should be able to resign from the military without penalty.”Comment by Info Warrior
Wellll… of course, you would! It’s called a c-o-n-t-r-a-c-t. Note to IW: my active duty brother DID NOT think he was joining a flying club.
I would like to compliment your moniker – I can image you shooting spitwad notes in 7th grade…….
April 27th, 2007 at 10:47 pmgdoss – The party of “moral relativism” has ITS’ share of liars. (You seem to be off to a pretty poor start when you purport to spread the truth….and make sweeping and stupid generalizations……So much for liberal honesty!)
April 27th, 2007 at 10:49 pmBah, a PNACcio does not care for American lives, what’s important is that USA becomes the worlds dominant military force.
April 27th, 2007 at 11:09 pmBill Kristol demonstrated his kean grasp of geopolitics by stating in 2003,
“There’s been a certain amount of pop sociology in America … that the Shia can’t get along with the Sunni and the Shia in Iraq just want to establish some kind of Islamic fundamentalist regime. There’s almost no evidence of that at all. Iraq’s always been very secular.”
As far as his ethical foundation, in 2005, Kristol caused controversy by praising President George W. Bush’s second inaugural address without disclosing his role as a consultant to the writing of the speech. Kristol praised the speech highly in his role as a regular political contributor during FOX’s coverage of the address, as well as in a Weekly Standard article, without disclosing his involvement in the speech either time.
Perhaps the most telling summation of Kristol’s potential contribution as an american is that he was dubbed “Dan Quayle’s brain” by The New Republic upon being appointed the Vice President’s chief of staff.
As for his son possibly serving in Iraq in the future, let’s see if that really comes to pass. Nothing like a dose of reality to induce sobriety.
Or perhaps a pie in the face… as he got in 2005:
He’s only relevant because our 8 grade educated electorate thinks that, if you’re on TV, you must have something important to say…
April 27th, 2007 at 11:58 pmAnd tonight on “What Happens When People Take Clearly Anti-Semetic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Seriously”….
Did anyone ever explain how it was that the 9/11 thruthers of the fringe extreme-left got so closely aligned with the white supremacist memes of the fringe extreme-right ?
I guess it’s just those Jews. When you’re behind everything you’re bound to pop up as a scapegoat for everyone.
Either way, when this kind of crap shows up in relation to issues like this one, you might get the idea some of your readership has issues.
April 28th, 2007 at 3:41 amI am fed up with you American liberal bleeding hearts attacking us Zionist jews and neo-cons. WE are the superior race and you should know that already by now. Jesus was a jew and he would do anything to save Israel form those terrorist muslim ayrabs. So why don’t you wake up and stop criticising the Zionists jews and heroes like kristol, wolfowitz and pearle they are true Americans. Now you just get off your ass and sign-up for the army before the coming draft and when the dfart does coem all of you must sign up and become heroes too. Go and save the people of Jesus and that is us Jews of Israel. End of debate, end of comment. GO do the bidding of Zionists Jews that is what American is for and that is what Christian sacrifice calls for. The Apocalypse is coming. its armageddon and only those who does the bidding of Jews the people of Jesus will be saved. American must sacrifice itself for Israel. That is the most moral and uprightly Christian thing to do and you know it. American must stand with Zionism forever. Remember Israel = Zionism = Jews = Peoplpe of Jesus = God’s Chosen. Thus it is clear everything else is secondary to Israel. You Americans must realise this now. Sooner or later you will come around like the other Christian evangelicals and good Americans like Rummy.
April 28th, 2007 at 8:06 amMaybe this woman who is suffering, shouldn’t have married a military man. The military is designed for war. It seems to me all you candy-assed leftists and anti-war communists that have been mislabled as ‘progressives’ ought to understand that when you sign up to be in the military, you’re committing yourself to the possibility of having to go over and fight and put your life on the line.
Frankly, the guy should have resigned his commission a long time ago, because he obviously didn’t realize his wife isn’t committed to the mission.
the US Army is not here to put paychecks in pockets and meals on tables. The US Army is here to kill and win wars. And occasionally die in the pursuit of these goals. It’s a shame we have to sent the military ANYWHERE to fight, but the commander-in-chief believes that sending the military there promotes the security of our way of life, then goddammit, the military goes there.
IN 2008, maybe you guys will have your guy (or gal) in place at 1600 Pennsylvania. And the sad thing is, when he or she deploys troops to fight in some remote part of the world, the CONSERVATIVES will probably end up supporting the troops more than all the liberals do, anyway. you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
April 28th, 2007 at 8:09 amI’m astounded at the level of basic hatred, anti-semitism, and anti-Americanism here. This can’t be a policy difference that is vigorously debated–no–the other side must be:
“facists,” “Hitler,” “worse than facists,” “traitors,”"associated with the KKK, “William Kristol would easily make Stalin a candidate for sainthood, ” I had visions of him in a Nazi SS uniform, goose-stepping for der Fuhrer,” “The oil corporations had influence in US attacking Iraq,” “If you defend these fascist war criminals, you are an accessory to war crimes, “psychopath,” “he should be shot,” etc.
I wonder what most of you would have said bout Eisenhower once all of the mistakes, bad assumptions, planning deficiencies, and (in retrospect) false statements made preparing for and executing the D-Day invasion. There is no doubt that many men, thousands of them, died for those mistakes (paratroopers drowning becasue they were put out over the water, tanks full of men that were supposed to float but didn’t, fratricide, killing of civilians, etc, etc.) Was Eisenhower a war criminal that was on par with Hitler? What would the world look like today if such a demented point of view had been allowed to prevail?
I’m appreciative of the occasional intelligent anti-war post such as that by gdoss (post #180). From the other side there is also A Veteran (post #178). Discourse is possible–even passionate discourse. The amount of hatred, though, is mind-blowing.
For the record, I am a supporter of the invasion in 2003. It’s heartbreaking to see how slow progress has been, but it is progress nonetheless. I was there for the invasion and pushed from Kuwait to Baghdad, and participated in missions that were well in front of our forward line of troops as they moved toward Baghdad. I also deployed again to participate in combat operations in Baghdad and in Afghanistan as well.
And I am a reservist. What that means is that I volunteered for each deployment. I have no resentment whatsoever for supporters of the war that do not join the military. Just as I have no resentment of anti-war activists that protest the war without first joining the military and going over to see first hand if our soldiers are murderers or not, or for not knowing the first thing about how national security policy gets translated into action. If anything, the manifest failures after the invasion are not primarily policy failures, but those of military planning. The President identifies the large objectives that he wants to meet–the DOD develops plans to meet them. Much of the criticism (the legitimate stuff, not the “you’re a NAZI” stuff) heaped on Bush rightly belongs to our senior uniformed leadership. We pay them to know that post-conflict stabilization could be a problem and to plan accordingly. We pay them to (after 13 years of watching Iraq after the Gulf war) to know about the society there, and to understand the tribal culture, and to anticipate what the reaction of the population might be and to develop intelligent plans and contingency plans.
Anyway, I have been there several times and have done my part in a combat role. I, and every single person I know, have never felt “deceived, lied to, and made to risk [our] lives for less than nothing and to participate in horrible crimes…for corporate resource control and the half-baked imperial fantasies of conceited upper-class twits like Billy Kristallnacht.” (post #183)
To the contrary, I’m proud of what I did, I’m especially proud of what our young soldiers and marines are doing, and I know that we did the right thing. And I appreciate those that are not afraid to publicly defend the whole endeavour in the face of outrageously unfair personal attacks. That includes Bill Kristol.
Thanks for letting me have my say.
-Marc
April 28th, 2007 at 10:31 amMy bad: he is the son of Gertrude Himmelfarb, not Midge Decter
April 28th, 2007 at 12:06 pmWhy don’t we identify neocon Bill Kristol and most of the other neocon war criminals: They are, almost all of them, pro-Israel, Zionist Jews, who have pushed this war on behalf of Israel. These Americans, who are fighting and dying over there, are doing the dirty work for a foreign entity which has our government and Congress by the short hairs
April 28th, 2007 at 12:15 pmRegarding Comment #206 by Marc,
Marc, Welcome Home, Soldier, and Thank You!
Your comments are well written. As you and I agree, the majority of those who spew their ignorance here are nothing more than limp wristed cowards. They rely solely on the news media who does nothing more than tell lies, and believe it to be true.
Some of the later comments after my last really brought out a chuckle as to the total stupidity of some. Especially the one who says that the Arabs didn’t do 9/11. WHAT????????
Maybe they weren’t all from Arabia itself, but, they were all of Middle Eastern descent, and, all of them were between the age of 18 and 40, as many researchers have found. Does anyone remember the beginning of the latest movement by Islam? Start at the games in 1972 and go from there. Each and every terrorist act since has been done by Middle Eastern Males between 18 and 40 years of age.
And, they all blame the Jews for curent events. WHY??? What have they done to you. All they are doing is trying to protect themselves from Islam as Islam wants to wipe them off the map. They have a right to exist just as any of us do. Remember, Jesus was a Jew.
And, for those of you who don’t know, especially the ones who have never read a Bible, know this. Islam follows the path of Ishmael, a surrogate son of Abraham and Sarah. Christianity follows the path of Issac, the natural son of Abraham and Sarah. Therefore, how can Islam consider themselves the only true religion? They continually whine if anyone speaks up about Islam, no matter what, but, anyone who enters their countries with a Bible will either be imprisoned or executed. The claim of Islam is that each and every person who does not believe as them should be destroyed, and, their God will reward them for doing this. Whereas, Christians God wants them to love all, no matter what. Is there a problem here?
To continue to call Bush and the others warmongers is so far from the truth, it is not funny anymore. Was Bush misinformed? Yes! Should he have taken a little more time to doublecheck everything? Yes! Also, are we all positive, beyond any doubt, that ALL weapons of Saddam were found and dismantled? NO! The inspectors were thrown out before they finished. How long has Osama threatened to wipe out the US? Since the early 90’s, or thereabouts. How many remember the news videos of Middle Eastern people around the world on 9/11? Reading some of these comments tells me the majority of you don’t. Let me remind you. The films showed men, women, and children, yelling, cheering, jumping up and down, having a blast. In short, celebrating our horrific tragedy. And you want to blame Bush, and the Jews? DUH!!!!
I see some still think it is for the oil, and the Jews will profit. WHAT????? You idiots need to go home and hide. You lack total common sense. Your comment is so off track. As I said earlier, if this is for the oil, then why are we still paying at the pumps? Because none of the oil comes here. All of our oil comes from the gulf and South America. If for the profits, then why are we still paying for this? Because the profits are rebuilding Iraq. The majority of you have never seen the photos or videos showing, for example, the schools built, or any other facility, for the Iraqis. This is because the media will not show you the whole picture, only the bad.
Here is another good example of how bad our media is. How many of you remember the 4 men who were slaughtered by the insurgents, burned, then hung from the bridge? It hit the leadlines, ran a couple of days, then gone. They are only a memory of their families. But, the prison hit, they couldn’t get it on enough. Mind you, I do not support atrocities. Any who do commit, deserve the maximum sentence allowed by law.
And, lastly, since the majority of you are so cowardly and never served in the military, you have no idea what takes place in time of war. You cannot even begin to understand anything, even if we lay it out to you at a slow speed, so your very small brain can retain the information. Again, don’t condemn or criticize what you don’t understand.
I did not comment on the wife who was the begining of this as, in my opinion, she knew what she was getting into beforehand. Does she have a right to worry? You better believe she does. But don’t take it out on us. If you want to blame someone, blame the protesters, as their actions feed the enemy.
Remember, the blood of our soldiers and the innocent are on you solely for your ignorance.
April 28th, 2007 at 12:15 pmMakes a lot of sense, doesn’t it? She tells him how much military families are suffering in this “war” all the experts (now fired, of course) agree can’t be ‘won’, so his solution is to send MORE military so THEIR families can suffer too. Brilliant.
Ian
April 28th, 2007 at 12:55 pmDear Marc – Thank you!! What you said needed to be said IN THIS FORUM. The blind and total hatred of ANYTHING in the center, right or “Bush/Cheney” specific is staggering. I am often criticized here for mentioning WWII and the terrible losses we incurred – and as I like to remind them – their opinion of me is none of my business. In short – I could care less what partisan automotons bleat – these are critical times and our enemy is deadly, committed and cunning.
Again THANK YOU for helping protect our WONDERFUL country and helping confront our enemy in the sand.
On a lighter “note” – you WILL find some of the BEST Monday morning ballerina’s in the business right HERE.
April 28th, 2007 at 4:19 pm#208 – A Veteran, I could not have said it ANY BETTER!!!!!! I was Navy JAG – married a combat seasoned Marine. When an anti-war cousin asked my active duty aviator brother how it “feels to be no better than the terrorists and kill innocent men, women and children?” My brothers answer: “Unlike our enemy, we don’t target the innocent.”
To answer your question re: Progressive anti-Semitism. To be sure, ALL progressives are not anti-Semitic. However, there is a large and growing number of Leftists who admit the preservation of Israel is not worth the effort. These misguided fools are the same people who think if “we are more equitable in our Middle East policy” Muslim extremists will leave us alone. Sadly, nothing could be farther from the truth. They seek to convert us or kill us – period. They view every capitulations as weakness. (Strict Muslims do not see it as wrong or sinful to lie to a non-Muslim – “infidels” don’t deserve the truth.) Telling still are the number of “moderate” Muslims who sympathize with the radicals. Mosques worldwide are used to foment hatred of non-Muslims – sadly tooo many “tolerant” Muslims are afraid to speak out or take a stand against their radical co-religionists.
Jihadists are not looking to peacefully co-exist with the West – they seek only capitulation or annihlation – nothing more, nothing less. When considering the brutal treatment of fellow Muslims who deviate from a proscribed path BY FELLOW MUSLIMS, you should harbor NO illusion what such 7th-10th is capable of.
Veteran, you KNOW what we are up against, as does Marc. Many thanks to you both!!
April 28th, 2007 at 4:49 pmTo Vile Venus:
April 28th, 2007 at 6:10 pmSo there is no anti-Semitism among conservatives, eh? Ever heard of David Duke and Pat Buchanan, among others?
Follow the MONEY!
Iraq War Accounting:
(i) US taxpayer money spent = $ 500 Billion & Counting
(ii) Pentagon Contractor & Oil Company Gains = ????
What the Iraq war amounts to is public spending for private gain.
April 28th, 2007 at 6:27 pm#211 Vile Venus,
I know that you love to blame the left for all Bush’s mistakes and everything that is going wrong in the Middle East. However, in actuality, some of the US’s Saudi “friends” have been sabotaging peace plans involving Israel and the Middle East. From the April 29 “New York Times”:
“Bush administration officials have been scratching their heads over steps taken by Prince Bandarç—´ uncle, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, that have surprised them by going against the American playbook, after receiving assurances to the contrary from Prince Bandar during secret trips he made to Washington.
For instance, in February, King Abdullah effectively torpedoed plans by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for a high-profile peace summit meeting between Prime Minister Ehud Olmert of Israel and the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, by brokering a power-sharing agreement with Mr. Abbasç—´ Fatah and Hamas that did not require Hamas to recognize Israel or forswear violence. The Americans had believed, after discussions with Prince Bandar, that the Saudis were on board with the strategy of isolating Hamas.”
Yes, I know that facts seldom stand in the way of neoCON talking points.
April 28th, 2007 at 6:58 pmMaybe we are all overlooking what the real stratigy is? There is no way to gather up your oun citizens and put them in camps, with your oun militay.They just wouldnt go along with that sort of thing. Maybe this is a well thought out plan to deplete and destroy our Armed Forces so during our next , False Flag, ie= 911, we will have to call on U.N. forces to police us and go door to door takeing our guns. Forign Military would have no problem with that task, just like the privately ouned military= Blackwater, did during Katrina? Think about it!!
April 28th, 2007 at 8:19 pmThis was never a legal war to begin with. The democrats and republicans are both complicit in this usurping of our constitution. Unfortunately, the fervor of security after 911 gave the neocons the necessary momentum to come this far. What is wrong with us? We are losing our country to mindless pundits and mafia style politics. Kristol is fully aware of what he is doing. This isn’t a circumstance whereby some people actually believe in what they are saying. They want insecurity on a global scale. They want the flow of oil to be disrupted. They want another world war. Look at the profits to be made. Look at how much the petrochemical industry has amassed since the beginning of the last illegal invasion of Iraq. The American dream doesn’t mean anything anymore. Our America is now our nightmare. Nothing will change until we change it. I support all who have the moral courage to stand up to these sycophants. Forget the class divisions and stereotypes that lock us in to our rolls of servitude. Tis high time to unite for real justice. Support the troops by demanding there return. Demand oversite in the rebuilding of Irag. They haven’t done it. They’ve actually destroyed the infrastructure and inhibited a normal standard of living, to encourage constant dissent. The corporate interests that own America want war and more war. They always do and they always will.
April 28th, 2007 at 9:49 pmThe Bush administration is criminal and should be removed from office. The war is a big lie and ALL of the media lies to the public. So for those of you, who think that voting democratically is the answer, think again. “MEET THE NEW BOSS, SAME AS THE OLD BOSS.” There is no difference between the two. They are all bought and paid for by the elite and of course the media, ALL MEDIA, especially FNC, CNN and MSNBC. They are all putting forth the same agenda. STOP listening to their words and START watching their actions. YOU ARE BEING LIED TOO!!!! There is no difference between Bush, Clinton, Obama, Romney, Gingrich or any of the other ones who get constant airtime with the mainstream media. The very fact that they are pushing these people is because it does not matter which one of them win. Their agendas are the same. WISE UP!!!!!
VOTE FOR THE MAN WHO WILL GET LITTLE AIR TIME BECAUSE OF THE TRUTH THAT HE SPEAKS.
VOTE FOR RON PAUL!
Mr. Paul walks softly, but he carries a very large stick. That’s why you hardly ever hear his name. Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist and the only hope for the United Stated of America.
If you have not educated yourselves on the:
*Federal Reserve
*The IRS
*The 9/11-truth movement
*National ID cards
*NAFTA
*WAR LIES
PLEASE DO SO. Because all of it will effect your lives and the lives of those that you love. If we do not make a stand, we will lose America!
To the fool who believes that the EXECUTIVE ORDERS stated above are not real, then it is YOU that needs to investigate further. The EXECUTIVE ORDERS are in place and will be used if we do not put a stop to this madness.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, Please educate yourselves on the NORTH AMERICAN UNION! Our country is being sold out from underneath of us to foreign corporations. We will soon have to pay tolls to travel on roads that we have already paid for thousands of times over with our tax money. If you have not educated yourself on the facts, then you are a traitor to the United States of America and should be charged as a traitor, because it is you, who is the enemy. Just like BUSH, CLINTON, OBAMA, ROMNEY, GINGRICH and the rest who are getting airtime.
If you are in support of the perversion of the U.S. Constitution, you are a traitor! If you are in support of this fictitious War on Terror, you are a traitor! If you are a supporter of the North American Union, You are a traitor! YOU ARE THE ENEMY TO FREEDOM AND TO OUR ONCE Beautiful REPUBLIC.
I challenge you to re-read the Declaration of Independents, the Constitution, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE BILL OF RIGHTS! I challenge you to be GOOD Americans and not corporate elite sellouts.
GO TO “VIDEO.GOOGLE” and watch these videos. Then research your findings. I think that once you do, you will better understand that it is not WE who are anti-American, but YOU.
*NWO: FROM THE MOUTHS OF THE ELITES
*AMERICA: FROM FREEDOM TO FASCISM
*LOOSE CHANGE
*TERROR STORM
*WHO KILLED JOHN O’NEIL
*THE MONEY MASTERS
THEN, research you Asses off. You owe it to you country! You owe it to your children, you owe it to your God, and you owe it to yourselves.
Sincerely I hope you do! Because I don’t believe that most of you are not Anti-American. I believe that you are just Ill informed and have trusted your news media. I voted for Bush both times. I also voted for his daddy. I was a premium member of Bill O’Reilly’s web site for 2 years. I was kicked off for presenting questions to Bill O’Reilly as to why he was not reporting to his listeners about the North American Union. He silenced me before I even understood the true state of not only his deception, but for the deception that he helps to cover up. We ALL must wake up. I woke up a year ago, and ever sense, I have done nothing but educate myself. What I learned the most is that this BOGUS War on Terror will be used to destroy the U.S. and right now, Bush has more power over the American People than Hitler, Stalin, Lenin or Mao. WE SHOULD BE SCARED RIGHT NOW! BUT WE SHOULD BE WILLING TO GIVE OUR ALL, REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME, TO STOP THIS MADDNESS.
Look up voting records! You will see how the prime presidential runners only vote differently on issues of non-sense. The real issues, the issues of National Importance, the issues that pertain to the survival of our republic, they all vote in the same matter. They have each other covered thoroughly. Do you really think that the Democrats really want to put an end to this war? NO THEY DON’T! They are actors, puppets; communist traitors who want to bring the sovereignty of the United States of America to an end. And although the giant does seem to be awakening, there are still way too many supporting the status quo. WAKE UP AND START ACTING LIKE TRUE U.S. CITIZENS. EDUCATE YOURSELVES!!! STOP LISTENING TO FOX NEWS AND CNN. LEARN THE TRUTH, because as of NOW, you are making fools out of yourselves by protecting the status quo.
VOTE FOR OUR ONLY HOPE!
VOTE FOR RON PAUL!!!!!!!!
GOOD LUCK AND GOD BLESS!
April 28th, 2007 at 10:37 pmThe Bush administration is criminal and should be removed from office. The war is a big lie and ALL of the media lies to the public. So for those of you, who think that voting democratically is the answer, think again. “MEET THE NEW BOSS, SAME AS THE OLD BOSS.” There is no difference between the two. They are all bought and paid for by the elite and of course the media, ALL MEDIA, especially FNC, CNN and MSNBC. They are all putting forth the same agenda. STOP listening to their words and START watching their actions. YOU ARE BEING LIED TOO!!!! There is no difference between Bush, Clinton, Obama, Romney, Gingrich or any of the other ones who get constant airtime with the mainstream media. The very fact that they are pushing these people is because it does not matter which one of them win. Their agendas are the same. WISE UP!!!!!
VOTE FOR THE MAN WHO WILL GET LITTLE AIR TIME BECAUSE OF THE TRUTH THAT HE SPEAKS.
VOTE FOR RON PAUL!
Mr. Paul walks softly, but he carries a very large stick. That’s why you hardly ever hear his name. Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist and the only hope for the United Stated of America.
If you have not educated yourselves on the:
*Federal Reserve
*The IRS
*The 9/11-truth movement
*National ID cards
*NAFTA
*WAR LIES
PLEASE DO SO. Because all of it will effect your lives and the lives of those that you love. If we do not make a stand, we will lose America!
To the fool who believes that the EXECUTIVE ORDERS stated above are not real, then it is YOU that needs to investigate further. The EXECUTIVE ORDERS are in place and will be used if we do not put a stop to this madness.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, Please educate yourselves on the NORTH AMERICAN UNION! Our country is being sold out from underneath of us to foreign corporations. We will soon have to pay tolls to travel on roads that we have already paid for thousands of times over with our tax money. If you have not educated yourself on the facts, then you are a traitor to the United States of America and should be charged as a traitor, because it is you, who is the enemy. Just like BUSH, CLINTON, OBAMA, ROMNEY, GINGRICH and the rest who are getting airtime.
If you are in support of the perversion of the U.S. Constitution, you are a traitor! If you are in support of this fictitious War on Terror, you are a traitor! If you are a supporter of the North American Union, You are a traitor! YOU ARE THE ENEMY TO FREEDOM AND TO OUR ONCE Beautiful REPUBLIC.
I challenge you to re-read the Declaration of Independents, the Constitution, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE BILL OF RIGHTS! I challenge you to be GOOD Americans and not corporate elite sellouts.
GO TO “VIDEO.GOOGLE” and watch these videos. Then research your findings. I think that once you do, you will better understand that it is not WE who are anti-American, but YOU.
*NWO: FROM THE MOUTHS OF THE ELITES
*AMERICA: FROM FREEDOM TO FASCISM
*LOOSE CHANGE
*TERROR STORM
*WHO KILLED JOHN O’NEIL
*THE MONEY MASTERS
THEN, research you Asses off. You owe it to you country! You owe it to your children, you owe it to your God, and you owe it to yourselves.
Sincerely I hope you do! Because I don’t believe that most of you are not Anti-American. I believe that you are just Ill informed and have trusted your news media. I voted for Bush both times. I also voted for his daddy. I was a premium member of Bill O’Reilly’s web site for 2 years. I was kicked off for presenting questions to Bill O’Reilly as to why he was not reporting to his listeners about the North American Union. He silenced me before I even understood the true state of not only his deception, but for the deception that he helps to cover up. We ALL must wake up. I woke up a year ago, and ever sense, I have done nothing but educate myself. What I learned the most is that this BOGUS War on Terror will be used to destroy the U.S. and right now, Bush has more power over the American People than Hitler, Stalin, Lenin or Mao. WE SHOULD BE SCARED RIGHT NOW! BUT WE SHOULD BE WILLING TO GIVE OUR ALL, REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME, TO STOP THIS MADDNESS.
Look up voting records! You will see how the prime presidential runners only vote differently on issues of non-sense. The real issues, the issues of National Importance, the issues that pertain to the survival of our republic, they all vote in the same matter. They have each other covered thoroughly. Do you really think that the Democrats really want to put an end to this war? NO THEY DON’T! They are actors, puppets; communist traitors who want to bring the sovereignty of the United States of America to an end. And although the giant does seem to be awakening, there are still way too many supporting the status quo. WAKE UP AND START ACTING LIKE TRUE U.S. CITIZENS. EDUCATE YOURSELVES!!! STOP LISTENING TO FOX NEWS AND CNN. LEARN THE TRUTH, because as of NOW, you are making fools out of yourselves by protecting the status quo.
VOTE FOR OUR ONLY HOPE!
VOTE FOR RON PAUL!!!!!!!!
April 28th, 2007 at 10:40 pmIt’s simple to figure him out, he’s looking at the “big picture”, the bad thing about that is, it’s not “the people’s” picture…..
PNAC – http://exodus2006.com/9_11PNAC.htm
Uncovered: The Whole Truth about the Iraq war –
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7371253996117324045&q=iraq+war&hl=en
Orwell Rolls In His Grave
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4467655342219448521&q=orwell
The Third Stage – http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5224963246223576086&hl=en
April 29th, 2007 at 12:44 amBack in the Vietnam days, I learned that true American conservatives are isolationist, and want nothing to do with stationing our Army abroad. The aggressiveness of our leaders is not conservative, but some crazy amalgam of Christianity and World Domination letting government contracts to themselves and their supporters.
As a classic conservative once observed, “the breakers of the law in India become the makers of the law at home.” And what a law it is when the leader’s word becomes the law!
The first crime at Nurnberg was the crime against peace — aggression. Our services argue civic action, as if the remediation makes up for the original crime.
The day is coming closer, when we will receive our just desserts. Our nation, born in war, and led by our first general of the army, must now play out the endgame of war. That general warned against a standing army, even as a later general warned against the insanity of planning a land war in Asia. To no avail.
Forward! Into the Abyss.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:10 am“The American dream doesn’t mean anything anymore. Our America is now our nightmare. ”
See what I mean? How does this person get out of bed in the morning? Those that have traveled a bit have seen societies that are actual nightmares–to promote that point of view shows such self-loathing.
This is a great country that was made so by the exertions of ordinary people with pioneering spirit. Mr. Nightmare-guy is the abberation, not the rest of us.
Marc
April 29th, 2007 at 8:51 amRon Paul is the answer unfortunate the media is not allowing any airtime to
April 29th, 2007 at 2:24 pmthis true patriot. Education is the key but we no longer can get the truth
from the major media outlets. When one mentions the sites reporting
the real truth you are call a kook and ridiculed. The real war on terror must
be started on US soil-secure our borders first. They are wide open allowing anyone to cross. These things are all designed by the elite wanting to destroy this great constitutional republic and put into place a
socialist form of government. Ron Paul is the only person running for Pres.
willing to try to get this country back on track but we are a nation asleep
and will not wake up and will soon lose the remainder of what we call our
freedoms. Thanks troops for the effort but please know whom you serve
IT IS NOTHING SHORT OF THE BIBLICAL BEAST. Research Prescott Bush
and his agenda-you may see into the directions of this administration-If you
are not willing to do such go stick your head in the Iraqi sand you deserve
what you will get.
Where are the pioneers now? Where’s our manufacturing, our food resources, our pristine environment of bounty. We can’t even produce our own resources. China practically owns the United states. We can’t even remotely function without their provisions. We no longer provide for even ourselves. Let’s stay on focus. This was a great country. “Was” being the operative word. You could call Kristol an ordinary person with a great pioneering spirit, but it doesn’t change the fact that our leaders and their mouthpieces are corrupted through and through. Saying it’s a great country won’t make it so. Frankly, I’m surprised we’ve made it this far, factoring in the endless death we peddle to the world while at the same time a synchronous erosion of our civil liberties and our constitution. It isn’t hard to see the end result of our just desserts. Don’t be so naive! We are standing by letting our country go in the toilet, environmentally and politically. Nothing wrong with calling it a nightmare. At times, it truly is. On the other hand you are right that we can imagine it to be whatever we desire, I suppose.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:17 pmThis is a typical Neo-con Bullshit. Listen to what this caller is asking for, she is begging this moron to bring the draft back so that she can have a rest!
She said and I quote:
“If this war is as important as you on the right and the hawks say it is, and if it is truly essential to our vital interest to do this, then institute the draft so we can have a break.”
Remember that the media is controlled by the very people that are in power right now. This caller is doing Kristal a favor by pleading to do what’s already on their agenda. The draft is something they would love to have.
She should have said “if this war is so important then send your on ass or sons to Iraq”
I don’t know if this call is true or false but whenever this Son of a bitch does interviews he is in total control of the situation (unlike that one time at that University where the students really let him have it).
The Neo-cons think that we’re idiots and that we’ll swallow anything they feed us. If you look closely all rebukes on the news are carefully controlled so as to pretend they’re rebuking the government only to propose an idea that’s already on their agenda.
Remember Television is trying to sell you the next thing on their agenda and they’re counting on you not to notice little things like these!
April 29th, 2007 at 8:12 pmamerica is finished! i’ll die before they put me in one of there camps .do these scum think that they’re going to live forever what thrill do they get out of destroying our country my god couldnt they think of a better way to make money?
April 29th, 2007 at 9:59 pmWell said,
This is exactly correct.
Take the rose colored off people,
When you do, you will be able to see through this staged media veil.
911=inside job, and they know it!
April 29th, 2007 at 10:20 pmGood points Pleal.
In fact, There are already draft powers hidden deep within some of Bush’s war bills that have already been passed!
Secondly, to all you who keep looking at things politically, WAKE UP!! The Republicans and Democrats are 2 different colored puppets dancing by the strings of the same puppet masters. Enjoy the show!
This is not about liberating IRAQ, give me a break! It’s clearly NWO agenda. They do not care about our troops nor you, one bit.
They are bankrupting america and this war is one great way to do it fast. Not only does it use alot of money, it destroys families and weakens our military troops. We would be getting the same exact thing if a Democrat was in office! Finally when we have all had enough and nobody is playing the politics game, we will be thrust into a world war, where you will have no choice but to depend on your government and military or be blown up! We’ll see what happens!
April 29th, 2007 at 10:39 pmThis war is illegal and immoral-read the Constitution, no declaration of war has been made. period. Kristol is still loyal to a marxist view, that of pushing agenda through force.
Please see our platform:
April 30th, 2007 at 10:43 amhttp://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php
Good points STEB!!!
April 30th, 2007 at 10:45 amKristol dreams…he dreams of a puppet America that does Israel’s bidding…… wait.. that’s an old dream that’s come true
Comment by null — April 26, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
Here Here!!!!! Say it while you can, because that is consider “hate” speech by our Dear Leader.
April 30th, 2007 at 10:47 amHey All,
I just wanted to let everyone know that there is a rally in Washington D.C. June 14th – 16th go to one of these sites for details. Especially if you live in the area! Because we need your help!!!!
This MARCH is to protest The North American Union and to STOP illegal immigratiion and secure our borders. However, NOW, La Razza has caught wind of the matter and is trying to make it a race issue. Personally, I don’t give a rats behind what they thing or how they feel orwhat they are trying to make of it, but we really do need to ban together and FAST, because we all knoiw what is about to happen if we dont.
Last week there was a Truckers Rally in D.C. and the police prevented the Truckers from showing up and the ones who got through were ticketed. The police told the truckers that they had to have a legal load to enter the beltway. This rally was in protest of the North American Union as well. Because starting in May, illegal aliens will be allowed to enter the country in trucks. It’s a governmental test to see how it works and apparently there are 25 Mexican Corporations participating.
Please go to the sites below and lend your support. It’s time for us to put a STOP to this NEO-COM madness while we can still do it peacefully.
WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WELL BEING OF OUR COUNTRY! IT IS OUR DUTY AND OBLIGATION TO BRING THIS TREASON TO AN END.
GOD BLESS YOU ALL AND I HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE.
GO TO: LET FREEDOM RING AMERICA
http://www.lframerica.com/
or
April 30th, 2007 at 1:48 pmGO TO: NATIOINAL ASSOCIATION FOR CONSTITUTIONAL LEADERSHIP
http://www.nacleaders.org/
Umm…where were all these open eyes during the last two elections?
April 30th, 2007 at 5:39 pmKristol is a dirty neocon Zionist bastard. He and the other scum that pushed us into this deserve to HANG under the laws established and enacted in Nurmeburg. These same laws are applicable today and to our very own situation.
April 30th, 2007 at 8:26 pmWrong about Bill’s dad, folks: “From 1941-1944, he served as staff sergeant in the armored infantry in Europe in World War II. After the war he was stationed in Marseilles for a year, first as at an army headquarters library and then as chief company clerk.[3]” Let’s at least give credit where credit is due.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:31 pm