Comments on: A highly-commended active-duty Army officer http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:23:33 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: pete http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/comment-page-1/#comment-3777289 pete Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:17:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/#comment-3777289 Sounds like sour grapes from Lt. Col. Yingling. Comment by Jake — April 27, 2007 @ 12:42 am really? i didn't read it until the weekend. it is is well-reasoned and persuasive. i'm not much surprised that you didn't like it, though. Sounds like sour grapes from Lt. Col. Yingling.

Comment by Jake — April 27, 2007 @ 12:42 am

really?

i didn’t read it until the weekend. it is is well-reasoned and persuasive.

i’m not much surprised that you didn’t like it, though.

]]> By: easywind http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/comment-page-1/#comment-3774880 easywind Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:22:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/#comment-3774880 Congratulations to Lt. Col. Yingling, he's a true hero. Here is a man who has the courage to forsake his career and publish the truth as he sees it. Everyone who has disagreed with this administration has been fired/dumped/attacked. It should come as no surprise that the services are desimated and will take many years to rebuild as many young bright officers have left for the private sector as well as many senior NCO's Congratulations to Lt. Col. Yingling, he’s a true hero. Here is a man who has the courage to forsake his career and publish the truth as he sees it. Everyone who has disagreed with this administration has been fired/dumped/attacked.

It should come as no surprise that the services are desimated and will take many years to rebuild as many young bright officers have left for the private sector as well as many senior NCO’s

]]> By: Uncle Ho http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/comment-page-1/#comment-3774524 Uncle Ho Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:01:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/#comment-3774524 APOCALYPSE AGAIN!!!!! APOCALYPSE AGAIN!!!!!

]]> By: DutchHenry http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/comment-page-1/#comment-3773429 DutchHenry Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:58:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/#comment-3773429 Kudos the to Lt.Colonel.The degradation of the military lies at the feet of Tommie Franks.He is the idiot that signed off on going to war with too few troops and his the same genius who refused to supply more troops at Tora Bora when Bin Laden was cornered. More over for all his ineptitude he was given the "Medal of Freedom." Kudos the to Lt.Colonel.The degradation of the military lies at the feet of Tommie Franks.He is the idiot that signed off on going to war with too few troops and his the same genius who refused to supply more troops at Tora Bora when Bin Laden was cornered.
More over for all his ineptitude he was given the “Medal of Freedom.”

]]> By: AWMfan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/comment-page-1/#comment-3773175 AWMfan Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:00:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/#comment-3773175 Within recent memory, the military at the Colonel level has been much more creative and forward looking than at the General level. This is the view of some very senior Pentagon civilians and outside advisors who had very high hopes for Rumsfeld's tenure, only to be bitterly disappointed, not the view of liberals. I agree with Cavjam that Yingling is to be commended for his courage, likely affecting his career prospects. It stands in stark contrast to the Generals who voiced complaints and objections only after they retired and were beyond the reach of retribution. As to "going outside the chain of command", this is done in every war. Look at Wes Clark, a host of commanders in Viet Nam, Korea or, e.g., Patton in World War II. Publicly expressed objections from the right or the left is both the norm and a necessary component of serious policy and strategy debate in our military history. Within recent memory, the military at the Colonel level has been much more creative and forward looking than at the General level. This is the view of some very senior Pentagon civilians and outside advisors who had very high hopes for Rumsfeld’s tenure, only to be bitterly disappointed, not the view of liberals.

I agree with Cavjam that Yingling is to be commended for his courage, likely affecting his career prospects. It stands in stark contrast to the Generals who voiced complaints and objections only after they retired and were beyond the reach of retribution.

As to “going outside the chain of command”, this is done in every war. Look at Wes Clark, a host of commanders in Viet Nam, Korea or, e.g., Patton in World War II. Publicly expressed objections from the right or the left is both the norm and a necessary component of serious policy and strategy debate in our military history.

]]> By: cavjam http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/comment-page-1/#comment-3773106 cavjam Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:13:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/#comment-3773106 Col. Yingling's article is well worth the read. The guy's obviously no dummy. The courage he shows in speaking out is highly commendable. Col. Yingling’s article is well worth the read. The guy’s obviously no dummy. The courage he shows in speaking out is highly commendable.

]]> By: GSD http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/comment-page-1/#comment-3773075 GSD Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:43:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/#comment-3773075 Time for a bunch of twenty somethings from some religious school to get paid $100.00 an hour to dig through Yingling's past to find information to discredit him. Time for snarling, Deadeye Dick Cheney to deliver another stinging personal assault on someone he doesn't know about an article he hasn't read. -GSD Time for a bunch of twenty somethings from some religious school to get paid $100.00 an hour to dig through Yingling’s past to find information to discredit him.

Time for snarling, Deadeye Dick Cheney to deliver another stinging personal assault on someone he doesn’t know about an article he hasn’t read.

-GSD

]]> By: VerbalKint http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/comment-page-1/#comment-3773060 VerbalKint Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:31:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/#comment-3773060 This is what happens when Bush yes men rise to the top. Ideology trumps reality, cronyism trumps competence. This is what happens when Bush yes men rise to the top. Ideology trumps reality, cronyism trumps competence.

]]> By: jericho http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/comment-page-1/#comment-3773034 jericho Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:03:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/#comment-3773034 I'm no American and I don't teach english, but is this phrase better? "A highly-commended active-duty Army officer has published “a blistering attack on U.S. generals, saying they have misled Congress about the war and botched the situation in Iraq.” I’m no American and I don’t teach english, but is this phrase better? “A highly-commended active-duty Army officer has published “a blistering attack on U.S. generals, saying they have misled Congress about the war and botched the situation in Iraq.”

]]> By: the fly-man http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/comment-page-1/#comment-3773032 the fly-man Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:01:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/#comment-3773032 the message from this administration and all who serve at their pleasure, is loyalty, then duty. from the top down the President is sending a message to the young people of this country, shit happens, and no one, ever, ever is to blame, well except maybe women, can you say Karpinski? the message from this administration and all who serve at their pleasure, is loyalty, then duty. from the top down the President is sending a message to the young people of this country, shit happens, and no one, ever, ever is to blame, well except maybe women, can you say Karpinski?

]]> By: bob (not the hacker) http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/comment-page-1/#comment-3773020 bob (not the hacker) Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:47:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/#comment-3773020 " jake" thanks for the abe simpson impression this morning, I haven't laughed that hard since the time you pretended to be a korean war vet. What's next, are you going to come out on your porch in your pajamas and yell at us young punks to get out of your yard? The "in my time..." is espeically precious. ” jake”

thanks for the abe simpson impression this morning, I haven’t laughed that hard since the time you pretended to be a korean war vet. What’s next, are you going to come out on your porch in your pajamas and yell at us young punks to get out of your yard? The “in my time…” is espeically precious.

]]> By: Jaded Prole http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/comment-page-1/#comment-3773002 Jaded Prole Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:42:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/#comment-3773002 If the military were serious about their sworn duty to protect and defend the constitution, they would arrest those in Washington responsible for attacking and undermining it. The responsibility for every aspect of the Iraq debacle rests with the Whitehouse junta. If the military were serious about their sworn duty to protect and defend the constitution, they would arrest those in Washington responsible for attacking and undermining it. The responsibility for every aspect of the Iraq debacle rests with the Whitehouse junta.

]]> By: Joeinbcs http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/comment-page-1/#comment-3773001 Joeinbcs Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:39:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/#comment-3773001 Anyone who doubts Yingling's thesis need only read Bob Woodward's description of Tommy Franks' cowardly acquiescence to Rumsfeld's demands that he go to war with a fraction of the troops necessary to do the job. Or watch the pathetic chairman of the joint chiefs (dosen't really matter which one) as he parrots the White House talking points. Or note that generals who have since presided over the failed policy, the perhaps unnecessary deaths and injuries of thousands of Americans and countless Iraqis, have retired at the three and four-star rank, like so many conquering heroes. From my perspective as a retired army lieutenant colonel, Yingling speaks for the majority of his contemporaries. Anybody who views this as "sour grapes" or a breach of the chain of command, simply dosen't understand today's military. Officers like Yingling are stakeholders, but they understand that the responsibility of the military is not to enhance the political prospects of their civilian masters, but to tell the truth. Anyone who doubts Yingling’s thesis need only read Bob Woodward’s description of Tommy Franks’ cowardly acquiescence to Rumsfeld’s demands that he go to war with a fraction of the troops necessary to do the job. Or watch the pathetic chairman of the joint chiefs (dosen’t really matter which one) as he parrots the White House talking points.
Or note that generals who have since presided over the failed policy, the perhaps unnecessary deaths and injuries of thousands of Americans and countless Iraqis, have retired at the three and four-star rank, like so many conquering heroes.
From my perspective as a retired army lieutenant colonel, Yingling speaks for the majority of his contemporaries. Anybody who views this as “sour grapes” or a breach of the chain of command, simply dosen’t understand today’s military. Officers like Yingling are stakeholders, but they understand that the responsibility of the military is not to enhance the political prospects of their civilian masters, but to tell the truth.

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/comment-page-1/#comment-3772999 Jay Randal Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:34:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/#comment-3772999 There is rebellion brewing in the US military and the Bush Regime has caused it. There is rebellion brewing in the US military and the Bush Regime has caused it.

]]> By: portly http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/comment-page-1/#comment-3772984 portly Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:41:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/#comment-3772984 It all goes back to numbnuts in the White House and the wingnut ideologues who put him there. And lets not forget Cheney and his band of neocon smack~talkers. They have hijacked our government and created a Constitutional crisis the likes of which are unprecedented. Generals have always done all they cn to obey their civilian masters, but what to do when a ninconpoop like this one gets installed in the WH? It's tough. Hey, even "Slam Dunk" Tenet is turning on these bozos... It all goes back to numbnuts in the White House and the wingnut ideologues who put him there. And lets not forget Cheney and his band of neocon smack~talkers. They have hijacked our government and created a Constitutional crisis the likes of which are unprecedented. Generals have always done all they cn to obey their civilian masters, but what to do when a ninconpoop like this one gets installed in the WH? It’s tough. Hey, even “Slam Dunk” Tenet is turning on these bozos…

]]> By: ccokz http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/comment-page-1/#comment-3772980 ccokz Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:28:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/#comment-3772980 Why is Russia pulling back from CFE? Many question, no answers. Only reason given: Interceptors. Thus I compiled some info about it. <a href="http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2007/04/interceptors.html" rel="nofollow">Interceptors</a> <a href="http://infowars.net/articles/april2007/260407Treaty.htm" rel="nofollow">Russia pulls back from CFE</a> Why is Russia pulling back from CFE?
Many question, no answers. Only reason given: Interceptors. Thus I compiled some info about it.

Interceptors

Russia pulls back from CFE

]]> By: Knappy Headed Ho http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/comment-page-1/#comment-3772979 Knappy Headed Ho Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:27:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/#comment-3772979 ah ok jake so you ARE a korean war veteran again huh? what towns/bases were you stationed in and in what unit(s)? what was your rank? and you mind describing (not the dollar amount, just other characteristics, like color, wording, etc) the checks you get from the VA? and what sort of other benefits does a brave veteran like you get? oh, and do you remember the names and/ranks of any of the south korean officers you served beside? ah ok jake so you ARE a korean war veteran again huh? what towns/bases were you stationed in and in what unit(s)? what was your rank?

and you mind describing (not the dollar amount, just other characteristics, like color, wording, etc) the checks you get from the VA? and what sort of other benefits does a brave veteran like you get?

oh, and do you remember the names and/ranks of any of the south korean officers you served beside?

]]> By: Tobey Tall http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/comment-page-1/#comment-3772975 Tobey Tall Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:12:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/#comment-3772975 <b>IF TP DOES NOT DO AN ARTICLE ON IMPEACHING CHENEY THEN YOU ARE COMPLICIT IN THE MEDIA BLACKOUT </b> IF TP DOES NOT DO AN ARTICLE ON IMPEACHING CHENEY THEN YOU ARE COMPLICIT IN THE MEDIA BLACKOUT

]]> By: JD http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/comment-page-1/#comment-3772967 JD Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:36:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/#comment-3772967 Arggghh!!! Please, stop saying that they do this because of stupidity... They do it for money. They are far from stupid (at worse, clumsy). The longer the war(s), the richer they get! How do you expect the military/reconstruction/oil businesses to make benefits without a war??? Arggghh!!!
Please, stop saying that they do this because of stupidity…
They do it for money. They are far from stupid (at worse, clumsy).
The longer the war(s), the richer they get!
How do you expect the military/reconstruction/oil businesses to make benefits without a war???

]]> By: ccokz http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/comment-page-1/#comment-3772965 ccokz Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:28:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/an-active-duty-army-officer/#comment-3772965 <b> Tenet has a book out</b> <a href="http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2007/04/tenet-gives-another-view-on-cheney.html" rel="nofollow">Tenet has a book out</a> <a href="http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2007/04/we-dont-torture-people.html" rel="nofollow">Tenet:We dont torture</a> <a href="http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2007/04/french-remarks-about-us-effort_26.html" rel="nofollow">French remarks about 911</a> Tenet has a book out
Tenet has a book out

Tenet:We dont torture

French remarks about 911

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