Bomb found at Texas abortion clinic.
By on Apr 27th, 2007 at 4:01 pm
Bomb found at Texas abortion clinic.
“A package left at a clinic that performs abortions contained an explosive device that investigators said Thursday could have been deadly. The incident came just days after a national abortion group alerted providers around the country to an increased risk of violence.”
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There ya go. Muslim extremists and Christian extremists are not all that different.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:04 pmAh…. Those white Christian Terrorists!!
April 27th, 2007 at 4:04 pmSome moonbat wanting to make the abortion definite.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:05 pmMore Christian Terrorism.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:05 pmIt wasn’t me….I’m pro-choice.
….(first trimester only).
April 27th, 2007 at 4:06 pmThe only moonbats are Repukes.
Repukes have invented a parallel reality with their own news.
Inventing your own make-believe world is evidence of psychosis.
Repukes are psychotics, including Patrick1. Especially him.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:07 pmI’ll never understand it.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:07 pmSomeone wanted to bomb the clinic to hurt or kill someone… because they are “pro-life”.
Of course the Chimpy Regime would NEVER call an abortion clinic bomber a terrorist.
Abortion clinic bombers are Chimpy’s base.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:07 pmClinton did it, too. So did Pelosi.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:07 pmCAN’T YOU FEELTHAT ‘CULTURE OF LIFE?’
April 27th, 2007 at 4:08 pmPatrick1,
Abortion is definite whether it is legal or not.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:09 pmSome moonbat wanting to make the abortion definite.
What?
Patty boy, you’re making even less sense than usual…
April 27th, 2007 at 4:09 pmMore like a Daryllict patrick1. I’m sure the administration will pursue the offender with all of his military might. Terrorism on our own soil. Time to call up a draft and root out the vile scum that would terrorize americans.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:09 pmOnly an extremely ignorant, knuckle-dragging drooler of a Repuke would suggest a liberal would bomb an abortion clinic.
This troll has absolutely no credibility whatsoever. He’s an asshole.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:10 pmCan someone tell me why the Va TEch shooting isn’t considered a terrorist act?
I have been thinking about this since the day it happened. It seems pretty terrifying to me.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:11 pmChristian Terrorist are no different than anyother Radical Terrorist. Come on you Right-tards let’s see your defense talking points about this one.
Come on Patti, Jerk, JJ, Dale, Valiantdouchebag….all together…BUT CLINTON DID IT !
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily
April 27th, 2007 at 4:11 pmHow many years did it take the FBI to find Eric Rudolph, the abortion clinic bomber?
One problem the FBI has was all those rednecks in the Appalachian hills are Religious Reich Repukes and they were aiding and abetting this evil murderous Reich Wingnut terrorist.
Gonzo said last year that the worst domestic terrorist group was those Earth First hippies who burned down a ski lodge and torched a couple of Humvees. No casualties.
Meanwhile, REAL domestic terrorists did the Oklahoma City bombing, tried to poison Las Vegas with ricin, and are armed and dangerous.
Reich-Wingnut White Supremacists with guns are a lot more dangerous than a few hippie kids torching a ski lodge.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:13 pmIronic, that God forbid this bomb could have gone off, while a mother and her 15 year old daughter where just happening to get info regarding oral contraceptives, killing them both, as well as the 4 toddlers they happened to be baby sitting for a neighbor.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:13 pmDamn christofacists, anyway
“Of course the Chimpy Regime would NEVER call an abortion clinic bomber a terrorist.”
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I would…..And Chimpy probably would too.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:14 pmVa Tech is not considered a terrorist act because it doesn’t meet the definition of terrorism.
Acts of terrorism are violent acts designed to coerce a government or people to do the terrorists’ will.
Cho wasn’t doing that, he was just killing people.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:14 pmWhat!? Texas is harboring terrorist bombers!?
Let’s call the Marines!
Time to bomb and invade Texas!! It’s the new front in the GWOT!
April 27th, 2007 at 4:15 pmBuck Fush, we’ve already heard the Repuke troll spin…
They’re trying to pin an abortion clinic bombing on pro-choice liberals.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:15 pmSo we bomb the anti-abortionists first, and use the excuse of “imminent threat.”
April 27th, 2007 at 4:15 pmI would…..And Chimpy probably would too.
Comment by Ringo
He’s had the chance before, and ducked it. What makes you think this would be different?
April 27th, 2007 at 4:17 pmCan someone tell me why the Va TEch shooting isn’t considered a terrorist act?
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Terrorism has a political aim, it is a tool used to a achieve a polital or even revolutionary goal.
The VaTech shooter was a lone nut.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:17 pmArt
Republicans are only pro-life for about 9 months of it. Otherwise you are on your own.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:17 pmWhoops, the Repuke troll slipped up and called Bush “Chimpy”.
No crispy new dollar bill from Karl Rove for YOU, troll.
LOL!
April 27th, 2007 at 4:17 pmI just love the hypocrisy of the right wing. The old “culture of life” at work. Hilarious. I guess praying for people to die just doesn’t work sometimes. Dang, I hate it when god doesn’t listen! Shoot. This has been in play since yesterday, lets see if the MSM gives it any play tonight. I’m not going to hold my breath.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:18 pmYou know, these anti-pro-choicers could save a lot more embryos if they would get their big fat ugly asses fertility clinics and knock themselves up. If they don’t then thet’re wisting precious life right.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:18 pmThe Virginia Tech incident and this bomb at the abortion clinic are terrorist acts. The VT killer struck fear into America by showing it can happen anywhere to anybody. This bomb was left to strike fear in the doctors at the clinic.
Fear = terror
This is just another terrorist attack on US soil. Nothing new.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:18 pmSorry Ringo, both are forms of terrorism.
You will notice “esp. for political purposes.” but that does not mean it is limited too. Sorry bud, but you are wrong again.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:20 pmTerrorism has a political aim, it is a tool used to a achieve a polital or even revolutionary goal.
The VaTech shooter was a lone nut.
Comment by Ringo
But the talking heads soon made it a political aim, by immediately talking about the second amendment, instead of the “lone nut.”
April 27th, 2007 at 4:21 pmFor many people, “pro life” ends at birth. Then they’re pro cuts in healthcare, food stamps, head start and public education. Out of womb, out of mind.
This incident is domestic terrorism, and whoever is responsible is no different than the scumbags who leave bombs in public places anywhere else in the world. But for all its tough talk on fighting terror, the administration will ignore this. You know, like New Orleans. Like 9/11 rescue workers. Like wounded veterans. Like the homeless. Like the will of the American public.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:23 pmFirst, I’m glad no one was hurt. It’s very unfortunate that people would go to this extreme to make a point.
Second, I think it’s a bit extreme to compare one failed bomb attempt to the hundreds of thousands of lives taken for and by Islam extremist. Truth be told the Left wing nut at Va Tech got more people than any so called right wing attack this year.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:23 pmthe Repuke troll slipped up and called Bush “Chimpyâ€.
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I didn’t slip.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:23 pmAnd they have OIL too!!!!
April 27th, 2007 at 4:23 pmBOMBS AWAY!
The VT killer was very much on a political crusade. He was killing people for what America is doing around the world. If you don’t believe me, listen to the tapes he sent NBC. His sister is on the Iraq Reconstruction Committee. It was terrorism to get the American government to change its ways.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:26 pmDon’t you people understand? They were bombing these women to protect them from themselves, just like we bombed Afghanistan and Iraq and destroyed their infrastructure to protect those poor oppressed women as well (oh, and just like Justice Kennedy outlawed a medical procedure to protect American women). It’s all so logical.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:26 pmIraq is a right wing attack fu*k head.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:26 pmKevin,
I didn’t know the shooter had a professed political slant. You mean he only shot Republicans?
April 27th, 2007 at 4:27 pmThen the talking heads have perpetrated an act of terrorism.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:27 pmOn the Va Tech shooting:
Basically, Cho fit the terrorist profile right down to the T. The only problem is, as a Christian, rightwing whiner the nearest thing in America he had to a group to die for were the Emo kids.
Cho was, in essence, the world’s first Emo terrorist. “Ooh the world is so bad, my emotions are so hurt, wah, wah, wah” BANG BANG.
Anyway, he did have a political motive, and that was to focus attention on himself and to try and make himself a martyr for other emo kids everywhere. He was aiming to get his manifesto aired, to get a bit of sympathy.
That he is now known for being both the worst and the whiniest school shooter in history is besides the point. He will be remembered and his extreme alienation will be recorded, which he means he got what he wanted.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:28 pmRepublicans are only pro-life for about 9 months of it. Otherwise you are on your own.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — April 27, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
Because Parents aren’t responsible for there children.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:28 pmAlright, back to your wank session…I’m out.
Later.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:29 pmimagine the irony if the bomb and had gone off and killed a child that was passing by the clinic with her parents… you consterno-terrorists ought to think about that…
April 27th, 2007 at 4:29 pmHow many years did it take the FBI to find Eric Rudolph, the abortion clinic bomber?
Comment by Tom3 — April 27, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
The FBI never did find Eric Rudolph. A local police officer, a rookie, caught Rudolph foraging through a dumster behind a supermarket near where he originally disappeared. The FBI office that had been set up to find him was also nearby. It appeared that Rudolph had been living in the vicinity for quite some time.
I wonder how things have gone for that rookie cop since then.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:32 pmKevin,
I didn’t know the shooter had a professed political slant. You mean he only shot Republicans?
Comment by Crump’s Brother — April 27, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
No he went after rich people. He hated rich people. That’s a core belief of the Left. You punish success with taxes. The extremist shoots them.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:32 pmChristian terrorists: making the streets of Bagdad safer by comparison.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:34 pmAnd here you have it folks, the right wing way of parenting.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:34 pmKevin,
Ok I get it. Certain people create terorrism through taxes, others through a gun? Interesting.
So Bush’s tax deferments. We could considered those a time bomb waiting to explode the day China demands their money back, and our kids are forced to pay for the awesome spending that ensued under the ‘fiscally conservative party’? Is that what you mean. I’m just trying to follow the awesome logic train you have going. :)
April 27th, 2007 at 4:36 pmAnd I would guess that the person who did this is a “good Christian”. These terrorists have no souls. If this person is caught, I recommend he/she be sent to Gitmo.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:37 pmChristian terrorists: making the streets of Bagdad safer by comparison.
Comment by FTGOP — April 27, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
are you saying the military are terrorists?
April 27th, 2007 at 4:38 pmKevin–I think you meant their children. Not there children. Just saying.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:39 pmKevin
Because if something happens to those parents, or if they are poor, or if they happen to be really bad people, the rightwing doesn’t care. Point blank doesn’t care.
And as you grow older the rightwing cares even less – right up until you hit your late teens. Then the rightwing wants to send you into a warzone on the vaguest reasons, so that you can kill other people in their late teens, and so that you can get killed in turn.
If you don’t get killed, but you do get injured the rightwing feels you don’t have the right to recieve medical treatment on the taxpayers ticket.
If you commit a crime, and it serious enough, the rightwing will call for your execution. And voicing your opposition, to some of those on the right, is serious enough to warrant execution.
Under the perfect rightwing system, the system the rightwing advocates so viciferously, there would be no veterans health care, no free education, and no mercy for those who fail to make it. Even the NGOs which currently operate would be banned – the second they opposed the rightwing or suggested a bit of government backing would help.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:40 pmSo if the VA Tech shooting was terrorism, then isn’t every violent crime?
April 27th, 2007 at 4:40 pmAnd if an old lady is intimidated by a group of kids across the street, are they then terrorists? I think intent necessarily has to play a part, I don’t think it prudent to throw around the terms terrorism or terrorist all willy nilly. (The payoff of this post is indeed the use of “willy nilly”)
“No he went after rich people. He hated rich people. That’s a core belief of the Left. You punish success with taxes. The extremist shoots them.”
yes, college students are “rich people.” especially those who attend a state school.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:41 pmKevin: “You punish success with taxes.”
Clinton’s rates were 3.5% higher for the top income bracket. During his administration, the wealthy and “successful” did just fine. I don’t know any Democratic candidate for president who advocates any more than going back to Clinton’s system, so this canned argument of yours is very tired.
Besides, during the three most recent decades when our middle class was strongest, the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s, income tax rates were much higher than they were under Clinton.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:43 pmHe is clearly talking about Bush and the rest of you fu*ktards.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:43 pmThe Chimpy Regime just released a wanted terrorist who blew up an airliner 30 years ago.
Chimpy and the Repukes refuse to honor extradition to Venezuela or Cuba.
That’s because he’s their terrorist.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:44 pmI’ve heard Cho was a “good Christian”.
That would explain his ranting about students being “degenerates”.
So, the Va Tech shooter was NOT a liberal.
He was a Religious Reich Repuke.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:45 pmIf a bank robber waves a gun at a teller to make her put money in a bag, he is using fear (terror) to coerce that teller.
That is why the republicans chose “terrorism” for their fake war. It is an obscure term and they know it. Just like they feel that “torture” is obscure and that is why they can do it.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:46 pmNo, they aren’t but a lot of them have rich parents.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:47 pmOnly a Repuke idiot, like Junkie Rush, would say Cho was a liberal.
Liberals don’t call other people “degenerates”…Liberals try to get asked to the orgy.
Cho was a mentally disturbed bullying victim.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:47 pmOf course he wasn’t a liberal. His sister is on the Iraq Reconstruction Committee. They were “in the family” if you will.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:48 pmNo he went after rich people. He hated rich people. That’s a core belief of the Left. You punish success with taxes. The extremist shoots them.
Comment by Kevin — April 27, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
First off: Lefties don’t even slightly dislike rich people. Lots of lefties are in fact rich people themselves, for example Al Gore is a lefty and he is very, very rich. Kerry is leftwing, and he is rich. Indeed, the archtypal lefty, FDR was rich.
Indeed, when rich people argue a point, we tend to argue against their point, and against their qualifications to present their point. We do not go out of our way to slam someone because they are rich, the way that Conservatives do whenever a rich person speaks out against them.
Further Cho wasn’t particularly going after rich people.
No, he went for university students and professors. He attacked a university, which last I checked, meant he attacked a leftwing institution. He invoked Christian mythology while he was doing it, which in my book means a strongly conservative viewpoint.
Hatred towards universities is a central theme in Conservative culture. Preaching the deaths of liberal university profs is a major, major feature in a lot of conservative propaganda. It seems to me, that if you want to argue a political slant on Cho’s attack, it would have to be that he was out to destroy liberals, and was thus a conservative terrorist.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:49 pmChristianists are at it again. Domestic terrorism by the extremists within our own population. They so believe they, and they alone, are right, so they will attempt to murder the infidels.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:49 pmWhat commandment is that?
Does this mean Ralph Reed and Pat Robertson are going to gitmo??
April 27th, 2007 at 4:51 pmComment by Bruce Gorton — April 27, 2007 @ 4:40 pm
You don’t seem to know anything about conservatives. It’s not that we don’t care. But people should have some responsibility for their actions. If a person has unprotected sex. There is a consequence. I am not against abortion. I’m against tax money paying for it. If you have sex and as a result you get pregnant and can’t afford to raze a child you have the right to an abortion. You also have the reasonability to pay for it. That’s the think with liberal thinking. A person does not have to pay the consequence for bad decisions. The government does. And it’s paid for by people that didn’t make bad decisions and earned some success.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:53 pmre#54 Wilco
If you put someone in a state of “terror” by trying to hurt them when they have not done anything to hurt you, then yes you are a terrorist according to a LOGICAL person who does not play “word” games.
Cho, McVeigh, Osama Bin Laden, George W Bush, and John Doe the mugger are all terrorists!
Any definition that of “terrorism” that does not apply to both Osama Bin Laden, George W Bush is HYPOCRITICAL and therefore ILLOGICAL.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:54 pmKevin
Your belief then is that a child is basically a punishment to its parents, and if that child should suffer as a result, well so long as it is not your tax dollars.
You don’t care about the child. It is as simple as that.
And once the child has grown up, well there is always an enemy to kill is there not?
April 27th, 2007 at 4:59 pmThe left knows so little about Christianity that they believe Christian and terrorist or someone who plants a bomb can be a Christian. It is impossible.
You should stick to talking about things you know something about, like the minimum wage.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:03 pmPatrick1,
It’s amazing to me that you can’t find the lack of logic in that last statement. While you may not find the person who plants bomb to be a Christian, it doesn’t mean that they don’t think they are. (Part of the larger problem with religion as a whole.) What makes you the “true” Christian Patrick1? Do you stone your children or your wife when they get out of line?
Further, most in the muslim world, would say that a muslim who plants a bomb in the name of Allah isn’t a muslim either.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:07 pmPatrick,
Hate to break it to you, but Tim McVeigh was a devout Christian.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:09 pmThinking your are and being one of course are two different things.
Insane people think things are true when clearly they are not. For example many crazy people think communism wasn’t given a fair chance when that is factually untrue.
Bombings and terrorism have absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. Not even the nuts at CNN would make that claim.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:13 pmPatrick1
No Patrick, we actually know more about it then you do. In part, it is because we read the book, where God repeatedly does all sorts of nasty things to people, and then goes on to tell the Israelites to do the same.
In part it is because we have read a bit of history, and we know all about the witch hunts, and that wasn’t something restricted to Catholics.
In part, because we know of churches like the Dutch Reform Church, which supported Apartheid, and the largely Christian Germany that under Hitler comitted the worst attrocity against the Jews we happen to know of.
And in part it is because we know the history of the KKK, which claims Christianity yet has historically blown up churches simply because those churches included black people in their congregations.
We know of Christians who see nothing wrong with torturing people, and blowing up people’s homes in a war, simply because those people happen to live in the wrong country at the wrong time, with the wrong surname. You champion this one with your war talk.
You might deny the faith of those who commit attrocities in your god’s name, but those who did all of the above didn’t, they were staunchly Christian.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:13 pmBut that’s O.K. because that is a case domestic Christian terroism, so no big deal and to be dealt with the same way the anthrax non-investigation has been handled. Only “foriegn” and “Islamic” terorsim counts.
(sigh)
April 27th, 2007 at 5:13 pmComment by Patrick1 — April 27, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
Good point Patrick1. The history of Christianity is totally free from any acts of violence.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:14 pmTim McVeigh’s actions show that it was impossible for him to be a Christian.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:14 pmWrong again. I believe that that child has great potential. My point was that people need to understand the consequences of their actions.
Unprotected sex or sex with a stranger. Sure it’s fun and feels great at the time. But the consequence is unwanted pregnancy or STD.
I’m all about people making something of themselves. If someone is working hard and needs help, I’m all about helping them. As a fellow citizen. I have a personal responcablity to help out if someone needs it and is working hard to better themselves. I do. I don’t expect or want the government do get involved.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:15 pmEric Rudolph. Christian and terrorist
April 27th, 2007 at 5:15 pmGod I wish that troll would stop using the name “Ringo” – the visual of the ex-Beatle typing a bunch of right wing crap makes me wince.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:16 pm#70 Keep telling yourself that patrick, but the cross Christianity has to bear (pun noted) with its extremists and is no different than what Islam has to contend with with its extremists.
You can pretend it isn’t so, but it is.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:16 pmChrist transforms and He doesn’t transform people into terrorists. “You cast out demons in my name but I never knew you”.
The fact is that for someone to be a Christian makes it impossible to be one of the left’s beloved terrorist or a left wing strawman in this case.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:19 pmJesus Christ, Patrick. You are weird. And you really show your silly side with this “I know Christianity better than you crap.”
April 27th, 2007 at 5:20 pm#77 LOL clap louder and tink will live. You can claim that his actiosn are agaisnt chritian princples all you like, but then so is war, ANY war (”just war claptrap not withstanding”).
Yet you cheerlead war, the very thing the central messenger of you’re claimed faith admonishes you to NOT promote or support. And don’t try your bullshit that sometimes war is needed to bring peace so it is kosher (pun noted) with Hey-sus, that its actually o.k. to punch the other guy before he punches you.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:20 pmArrest just made in this case. Looks like pretty fast work if they have got the right guy.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:21 pmIf Jesus came back today, the first one he would smite would be G.W. Bush.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:23 pmMcVeigh and Rudolph could call themselves the Pope if they want, it doesn’t make them the Pope. “By their fruits you will know them”.
By their own actions they tell you they are not Christians. But again it fits the left’s template of moral equivilancy to make the claim none the less.
As I mention Christianity is a topic the post-modern American left should avoid they simply can’t possible grasp it.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:23 pmWar is anti-Christian. Indeed, as is compromising with evil. This debate has gone on in the Church for centuries. Sgt. York for example faced this problem in WWI.
But this debate has little to do with the bizarre notion from the left that a terrorist can be a Christian.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:26 pm#87. What about post-modern American left bible scholars?
April 27th, 2007 at 5:27 pm#87. what about post-modern American left Methodists?
April 27th, 2007 at 5:28 pmThere aren’t any.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:29 pm#91. I met a bunch of them as a religious studies major in college. Believe it or not, there are leftist preachers. Are you that caught up in your little bubble that you can’t see the forest for the trees?
April 27th, 2007 at 5:31 pm#87 sell you laying ass shit to someone else. You support war fucker. You are no Christian.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:31 pm#88 So you oppose war yet support Bush and his war. Fucking hypocrite fake Christian.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:32 pmTo be a Bible scholar you would have to actually worship God. Post-modern liberals worship the state.
It would be like being a swim coach without knowing how to swim.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:33 pm#93. Wow your ignorance of bible scholarship and post-modernism is astounding. You don’t really believe that post, do you? You have to worship God to be a Bible scholar? Do you know anything at all about academia or scholarship in general?
April 27th, 2007 at 5:36 pmKevin
I judge by actions, not words. Policies, not promises. You conservatives claim to care, and yet you act in such a manner as to demonstrate you never did, you promise to help the poor and yet your policies actively remove what help there was.
If a woman wants an abortion but she can’t afford one, what kind of mother will she be? You can talk about personal responsibility all you like, but what kind of mother will she be?
What kind of mother will she be if she is a teenager who got pregnant in a state with a conservative set of laws, with only was abstinence based sex ed, where there is no public healthcare, where she doesn’t have the money or the support structure to raise the child, and she wants an abortion? What kind of mother will she be? And what kind of child will she have?
Now I am not saying, there aren’t success stories that start this way, but they are the exceptions, the lauded few. They come to our attention because they are rare.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:37 pmI know academia has taken the Christian faith and made it a philosophy in many cases. I can’t help it Matt if you blew cash or your parents did on that junk.
But a post-modern liberal worships the state, a Christian worships Christ.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:38 pmDid Patrick turn into Daryll? What is post modern anything? Worship the state? Did you get Lennon and Lenin mixed up again?
April 27th, 2007 at 5:39 pmPatrick1
So to study ancient Greek mythology you have to worship Zeus?
Could we settle for Dionysus?
April 27th, 2007 at 5:42 pmAcademia has not taken the Christian faith and made it a “philosophy” – that is nonsense. Religious Studies and Philosophy remain different disciplines, and there is no indication that will ever change. And the statement that post-modernists (or “Pomos”) worship the state is equally nonsensical. The state is another “construction” not worthy of real consideration to a pomo.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:43 pmPatrick1
What about a liberal anarchist? Does he worship the state?
April 27th, 2007 at 5:43 pmPatrick. Maybe you need to “blow” some of your cash on a little education.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:48 pmPost-Modern liberalism began in 1972 with the take over of a once proud political party by people who believe the United State of America is the problem in the world.
That all philosophies and ideas are of equal value. Seen in the perverted notion that Soviet Communism and liberal democracy were morally equal. This perversion lead to the notion that Soviet Communism should not be fought but accepted. A notion proven to be idiotic by Ronald Reagan beginning in 1981.
This belief system has evolved into the modern moonbat who accepts Islamo Fascism as actually superior to democracy. Even though this mixture of cult and state leads to the subjucation of women and the murder of homosexuals and the loss of all basic human liberties.
It is seen in the belief that George W. Bush is worse than Osama Bin Laden who the left failed to fight in the 1990s.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:49 pmBut a post-modern liberal worships the state, a Christian worships Christ.
Comment by Patrick1 — April 27, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
So why is it, that we post-modern liberals (Detest the term by the way, we aren’t post-modern we are modern, as in right now) are willing to criticise the state?
I mean, we aren’t the ones who say torture is okay – so long as America is the country that is doing it. We don’t say that America, as a state, has the right to tell us how to act or who to sleep with. We don’t put forward the idea that the state should dictate what scientists say, nor do we champion the state’s right to listen in on our conversations.
Nor do we blindly support whatever war the state is involved in, which seems to be the conservative cause celebre.
Indeed, if one were to go on actions, one would be more inclined to say that conservatives, in America, worshipped the state.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:51 pmPatrick, I’m sure there are quite a few people in Northern Ireland who will be surprised to hear that a christian cannot be a terrorist.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:52 pmMythology is the key word in the Greek notion. Christianity is not a mythology it is a life.
But I’m glad we have moved beyond the moronic notion that a Christian can be a terrorist.
Progress.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:54 pmPatrick sounds like a potential terror threat – I’m reporting him to DHS.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:55 pm#102. Delusions, delusions, delusions. Are you saying the Democratic Party is “post-modern?” – that is ridiculous. I doubt most Dems have ever read any post-modern literature or papers. The vast majority of elected officials in the Dem party are Christians (that should make you happy). Don’t you know that Dem Presidents in the past were very, very anti-communist (to unfortunate extremes like the Bay of Pigs invasion)? Who exactly holds these “preverted notions” you mention? Can you give any examples of anybody on the left that “accepts Islamo Fascism as actually superior to democracy?”
April 27th, 2007 at 5:56 pmI don’t know any Conservative that says torture is okay. I don’t believe torture is okay.
The post-modern liberal has come to the bizarre notion that Islamo Fascism shouldn’t be fought though it is very much anti-liberal.
That we should treat this ideology as if they were robbing a liquor store instead a threat to kill thousands of innocents. I simply don’t believe our civilization should wait until the Islamist hit the number high enough to bring the post-modern left into the fight.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:59 pm#105. Lucky you put forth a bunch of moronic notions to keep the this thread pumping.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:00 pmYes Democrat Presidents in the past were Anti-Communist, very much so. But that ended in 1972 when the party was taken over by the post-modern left.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:02 pm#108. You obviously do not know what post-modernism is. It may be time for you to stop using that phrase. Anybody actually familiar with post-modernism will immediately (or pretty quickly) see that you are using the phrase incorrectly and you may be discounted outright as a fraud.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:04 pmPatrick1
No, actually we haven’t. You see, all you have done is make a series of sweeping statements without actually backing any of them up.
Christians can be terrorists. Indeed without the rise of enlightenment and the dimming of religious authority from about 1000 AD onwards, we would all be living in constant fear and misery. Christians sacked Rome and led to about 500 years of constant regression. Only the great plague started people thinking along secular lines again.
I say, it is not only perfectly possible for a Christian to be a terrorist, but given its history and many of the teachings of the old testement, it is perfectly likely for a few mad extremists of the Christian faith to form terrorist groups.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:04 pmMythology is the key word in the Greek notion. Christianity is not a mythology it is a life.
Prove it is not mythology.
But I’m glad we have moved beyond the moronic notion that a Christian can be a terrorist.
Progress.
Comment by Patrick1
Only in your own mind, you have not convinced anyone else yet.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:05 pmMcVeigh and Rudolph both were terrorists for a “christian cause” and no amount of denial from you changes that.
Ramsey Clark is a democrat who believes that Islamo Fascism is superior to liberal democracy.
Most post modern liberals have not overcome their hatred of America enough to get into the fight against the Islamists.
We just can’t wait until they do. They never came around to communism and that costs tens of thousands of dead. We should wait until the Islamists hit the hundreds of thousands mark.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:07 pmOh, and Patrick. You also used the word “mythology” incorrectly. Look it up. A mythology is simply a set of ideas and beliefs. Academia does not try to sort out whether a mythology is “true” or false. So Christianity and Greek god worship are both mythologies, but neither of them is necessarily false.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:11 pmAgain, it is impossible for a Christian to be a terrorist. It can’t happen. Christianity is Christ likeness. And being like Christ makes it impossible to be a Christian.
And quoting the Old Testament as evidence shows your ignorance of the topic.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:12 pmYes one of them is necessarily false. You should ask for your money back on that philosophy course.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:15 pmSince you do it without citing sources, I will do the same.
Ramsey Clark does not believe that Islamo Fascism is superior ot liberal democracy.
Also, I notice you are still using certain terms incorrectly over and over. It would be in your own interest to stop that.
You know a great way to make the Islamists “hit the hundreds of thousands mark”? — continue invading Muslim countries that pose no threat.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:16 pmPatrick1
You are keeping me amused tonight. Your argument seems to be that Christians can’t be terrorists because you say they can’t.
A man much wiser than me once said that, for good people, religion is a good thing. For bad people, religion is a very bad thing.
Christians can be terrorists in the same way Muslims can be terrorists in the same way atheists can be terrorists.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:18 pmAnd quoting the Old Testament as evidence shows your ignorance of the topic.
Comment by Patrick1
Funny thing is the only evidence you have shown is that stinky finger you pulled out of your ass.
You have to be the stupidest troll ever.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:18 pmMan, Patti 1″ you are one sick f*ck….I mean really, really sick. I don’t see why anyone would respond to your crap, you need mental help for sure. You are one of the sickest posters I have ever seen. Crawl back in your cave, you subhuman scum sucking idiot.
Don’t encourage the idiot, marginalize him and his stupid posts, hard to imagine that people like this exist, just total low life.
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily
April 27th, 2007 at 6:19 pmRamsey Clark
You mean Saddam’s defence attorney?
Ho-boy.
So you would rather Saddam didn’t get a decent defence, and thus his execution did result in his martyrdom through the trial?
Okay, it happened anyway due to the evils of some twit taping the execution hoping to look like the big man, but still.
That is what you are saying here Patrick1.
Ramsey Clark, for all of his faults and they are many, believes in the law. he believes in defending his clients when nobody else will, in some ways that is heroic, but mostly it annoys you conservatives who really only respect the law as a concept so long as it serves your interests.
When you guys want a bit of slack, you scream like stuck pigs (EG: Delay.)
Oh, and Islamo-fascism doesn’t exist. If it is system of government based on religion it is a theocracy. We oppose them because they don’t work, you guys on the right seem to be all about emulating them.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:20 pmThen you have missed my point. It is not because I say it is because Christ says.
But again the topic of Christianity is beyond the ability of post-modern liberals to grasp. Because it is about something far beyond the worship of the temporary government.
In Christianity there is more to life than the minimum wage and socialized medicine something a post-modern liberal can’t understand.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:23 pmBuck Fush
Patrick1 has the right to his ideas, he just needs to actually start examining them at some point in order to grow as a human being.
That is the real problem here, he doesn’t doubt, and so he doesn’t learn.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:25 pmSince Saddam was hung I would question the quality of his defense. But Clark believes Islamo Fascism is superior to liberal democracy.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:26 pm#121. Agreed. But it is fun for me because I am very interested in religion and I spend a lot of my time reading about and studying it. And I never have a chance to discuss these things with hardcore Christians. And Patrick’s obsession with the phrase “post-modern” is kinda funny.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:26 pmComment by Patrick1 — April 27, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
OK, so your saying that Christianity has concerns apart from looking after disadvantaged sections of society. Can you expand?
April 27th, 2007 at 6:27 pmI guess you could say the extremists on the Supreme Court have emboldened the “base”, so they feel motivated/safe to start bombing again?
April 27th, 2007 at 6:27 pm#123. Wow. Alllllllllllrighty, then. Bye.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:28 pmYou can’t oppose something by not doing something about it. See the 1990s for examples.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:28 pmI know, Bruce, I see his sickness here all to often, I never respond to him, he is a twisted subhuman. Just wish people would see him for what he is and ignore him, he never stays on subject and is only here to disrupt the thread.
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily
April 27th, 2007 at 6:30 pmChrist said, “you will have the poor with you always”.
What is interesting is the liberals took it literally and created policies to make sure their numbers increased.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:32 pmPatrick, do the newly discovered gospels of Judah, Thomas and Mary inform your faith in any way? I’m just wondering if conservative christians are even aware of these biblical-era texts.
Also, you claimed christians couldn’t be terrorists and I pointed out Northern Ireland. You, of course, pretended not to notice. But really now. We all know what went on in N. Ireland for many years. Don’t you think it’s a little over the top to maintain that a christian can’t be a terrorist?
April 27th, 2007 at 6:35 pmBut they are heretic Catholics.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:36 pmWell the original thread was created as to present yet another leftist strawman of Christian hatred.
That has been debunked. Now I’m more interested in the subject of the liberal belief system. Though proven over decades to be a failure continues to stagger on with devestating effects on people’s prosperity and liberty.
How is that they can miss Christ message but believe in Osama Obama?
April 27th, 2007 at 6:36 pmWhat kind of intellectual vapidness creates this belief system or is it just poor potty training?
Patrick, according to Luke, Jesus also said, “For everyone to whom much is given, of him shall much be required.â€
This would seem to support the idea of progressive taxation.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:37 pmThey’rer not new, they are Nostic gospels from around the fifth century. Not this Code crap now!
It could be time to hit the road if this stupidity is being brought out in desperation.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:38 pmComment by Patrick1 — April 27, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
Great way to change the subject. However, if we are going to get into that, didn’t that Jesus fella say something about it being hard for the rich to get into heaven? Camel through the eye of a needle and all that?
April 27th, 2007 at 6:40 pmBluedog: A liberal would believe that..LOL.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:41 pmOK, so your position is that Catholics are “heretics.” How about Tim McVey? Was he also a heretic?
How about someone who calls himself a christian but distorts the meaning of his savior? When you bring up Jesus’ quote, “you will have the poor with you always,” you conveniently leave out the context of that scene in which Jesus is telling his followers to stop for a moment and be patient while he gets oil poured on his head. By distorting the meaning of gospel, you are actually more of an heretic than anyone you’ve accused.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:42 pm#138 And you know what that means don’t you? Hint: it’s not about a 90% top tax rate.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:43 pmAs I mention Christianity is a topic the post-modern American left should avoid they simply can’t possible grasp it.
Comment by Patrick1 — April 27, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
Why you’re a mean spirited, obnoxious, war mongering, selfish evil bastard and you consider yourself a Christian. If somebody calls themself a Christian and does evil is it for you to decide he isn’t Christian.
You will all have your day of reckoning when Christ decides if you’ve actually followed him. I’d say you’re in as much trouble as those others.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:43 pmIf you were smart you’d think about sharing space with McVeigh and Rudolph in the hereafter.
Patti 1″ says – How is that they can miss Christ message but believe in Osama Obama?
What kind of intellectual vapidness creates this belief system or is it just poor potty training?
See this is what I mean, he talks sh*t, off topic, doesn’t make a lick of sense, just comes here to spout off repuke crap. He is a total loser, scum sucking f*ck face.
Hating Patti 1″ daily
April 27th, 2007 at 6:44 pmI’ve never say Catholic’s are heretics, I wouldn’t say it because it isn’t true.
The part about the poor with you always means that there will always be misery in a fallen world but celebrate for the savior has come.
Christ is about Christ likeness which is humbling and submitting to the will of God. It is not about a welfare check.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:47 pmPatrick: “They’rer not new, they are Nostic gospels from around the fifth century.”
Where did you get that idea. Judah has recently been dated to less than 100 years after the execution. Thomas and Merry are estimated to be during the 1st century after the execution as well.
OK, so I’m getting the idea that at least some conservative evangelical christians are dealing with these gospels the same as they deal with many issues. They’re lying about them.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:47 pmPatrick1
Actually, going on Biblical sources the Catholics are the one true church.
How do I justify this?
Jesus himself appointed the first Catholic pope.
1- On this rock I will build my church,
April 27th, 2007 at 6:48 pm2- The gates of Hades will not overcome it.
3- I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven
4- Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
Comment by Patrick1 — April 27, 2007 @ 6:43 pm
Yeah, it means that, according to the teachings of Jesus, the rich won’t get into heaven.
This is a pointless argument though as we have very different views of what constitutes moral behaviour. Neither of us are going to change our opinion so I’ll leave it at that.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:48 pmIt is seen in the belief that George W. Bush is worse than Osama Bin Laden who the left failed to fight in the 1990s.
Comment by Patrick1 — April 27, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
Peadick you really need to cut back on the electro shock therapy.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:50 pmPatrick: “A christian can’t be a terrorist.”
Me: “What about Northern Ireland?”
Patrick: “But they are heretic Catholics”
Patrick, a few minutes later: “I’ve never say Catholic’s are heretics…”
Yikes. I’m beginning to think we’re dealing with a mental patient using the common-room internet connection.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:51 pmThe major difference between Prostestants and Catholics is the belief by Protestants that they don’t need a man between them and Christ. That His spirit baring witness with our spirit makes us a child of God without the need of a Pope.
Also the diefication of Mary is an issue.
But we are brothers and sisters in Christ and that is the main thing.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:53 pmPatrick: “it’s not about a welfare check.”
sigh.
Again, “For everyone to whom much is given, of him shall much be required.â€
April 27th, 2007 at 6:54 pm#147 But you can at least learn to understand scripture. The point of the story is not about rich people. It is about giving up everything to follow Christ. In the story the young prince wouldn’t give up his wealth even though he had followed the law.
For a liberal it would be giving up the love of the state to follow Christ. The stories point is that you must give up what ever is preventing you from getting closer to God.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:56 pm“Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of agreement in their teaching. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its side.â€
– Celsus (2nd Century C.E.)
I’m guessing that Patrick is simply demonstrating a long tradition of christians calling other christians “heretics.”
April 27th, 2007 at 6:56 pmBut they are heretic Catholics.
Comment by Patrick1 — April 27, 2007 @ 6:36 pm
So Catholics aren’t christians. Mother Theresa was not a christian. She’s going to hell and you’re going to heaven?
April 27th, 2007 at 6:57 pmThat’s right Bluedog49, that is why I never respond to anything that psycho posts, and I take the time to “Troll the Troll” so others can see what a sick puke he is.
He type sick nonsense constantly looking for attention, and always thinks he is right when he is so very very wrong.
Hating the sicko Patti 1″ daily
April 27th, 2007 at 6:57 pm#149: That wasn’t me, it was someone using my handle. A common practice among liberal idiots who are defeated in debate. I don’t believe Catholics are heretics.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:57 pmthe trolls have finally shat this place up so badly, i’m not going to come around any more – think i’ll learn how to hack and disable righty sites instead – would be a better use of my time.
April 27th, 2007 at 6:59 pmWhen you attack Christians as terrorists you should be prepared to defend that position. If that is attacking a leftist site then so be it.
April 27th, 2007 at 7:01 pmA panicking Patrick “That wasn’t me, it was someone using my handle!”
Sure, cowboy. Sure. Now go take your meds…
April 27th, 2007 at 7:02 pmWell I enjoyed educating the post-modern left.
April 27th, 2007 at 7:03 pmDefend the position that there are christian terrorists??? This is a perfect example of how magical world views like fundamentalist christianity destroy the ability to think.
That there are christian terrorists is not a position. It is a fact. Rudolph is a terrorist. So was McVey and a host of IRA bombers. People like Patrick have lost the ability to distinguish facts from feelings.
April 27th, 2007 at 7:06 pm#125 Christ also says you can’t support war and be his follower. So you oppose war or not?
Yes or no?
April 27th, 2007 at 7:30 pmTexas must stop shame legislation. Mandatory sonograms are shame based.
April 27th, 2007 at 7:33 pmWhen you attack Christians as terrorists you should be prepared to defend that position. If that is attacking a leftist site then so be it.
Comment by Patrick1 —
Who said “kill them all, god will know his own” — a muslim? And as far as Christians being terrorists – hello? Have you ever heard of slavery? Christians justified slavery on biblical grounds – millions of them. They used the very real terror of torture and hanging, and justified it as following “God’s law,” to keep blacks enslaved. That is a clear one. Want others?
April 27th, 2007 at 7:36 pmPatrick1 = circular bullshit writ large
Patrick takes the Marxist craptacular argument to the nth degree. If the communist system fails, it was because it was never truly or fully implemented. The failure is not the model, but the implementation. Same schtick with Christianity. Christians never do anything wrong, because if a Christian does anything wrong, like say, slaughtering hundreds of people, then they are automatically not Christian. Christians can never do anything bad, because if they do.. poof, they are not Christians.
It’s like saying, Patrick can never lose playing rock, papers, scissors, because if Patrick throw out a paper when the other guy throws out a scissors, well then it wasn’t a real game of rock, papers, scissors.
Magical thinking at its finest.
April 27th, 2007 at 7:38 pmYou forgot the last part of your sentence:
April 27th, 2007 at 7:41 pm
Wow, this patrick1 is a certifiable wing NUT.
April 27th, 2007 at 8:27 pmWooooeeee! Is Patrick1 a self-deluded, self-absorbed looney-tune or what? Reading his lunacy is good entertainment.
April 27th, 2007 at 8:33 pmTime to persecute some…
…murderous so-called “Christians”…
…they’ve become America’s al Qaeda…
April 27th, 2007 at 8:41 pmTexas must stop shame legislation. Mandatory sonograms are shame based.
Comment by jeff — April 27, 2007 @ 7:33 pm
Whatcha skeered of jeff? Might miss out on a baby killin? Come on there will always be folks wantin to kill their kiddos. One or two slippin through ain’t no big deal.
April 27th, 2007 at 9:09 pm#68, you say people should have responsibility, right? Yet, how would you explain a study which states that more conservative and fundamentalist clergy were more prone to blaming rape victims? Should they have taken the responsibility to put themselves in the right place at the right time? I would suspect that this study can be also duplicated with people of conservative and liberal ideology and the results would be similar.
Patrick1, Christians can be terrorists…just look at the dark history of the KKK.
What about the St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre? Yes, that was Catholics slaughtering Huguenots…
The Crusades…I seem to recall a massacre of Jews and Muslims in Jerusalem during the 1st Crusade. Can’t you call that terrorism?
Eric Robert Rudolph was probably linked to the Christian Identity movement and spouted Bible verses to justify his acts of terrorism.
Your point must be that these people are not real Christians or that abortion bombings are not acts of terrorism but justified according to pro-life ideology. Yet these people identity themselves as Christians. You have a little problem there.
My point is that being Christian and a terrorist are not mutually exclusive. Perhaps it is better to say that religious extremism and terrorism can be linked…
April 28th, 2007 at 2:28 amSO according to your logic, then liberal-leaning Christians are not Christians at all, but we are wolves in sheep’s clothing to undermine Christianity from within. We don’t know anything about Christianity because only conservative or fundamentalist Christianity are deemed to be orthodox and correct.
I’m tired of these straw man arguments from the right. Our opposition to the war in Iraq must mean that we want the terrorists to win. No one wants the terrorists to win, so that must mean that the left supports Al Qaeda and Osama.
The left supports separation of church and state so that must mean we hate Christians and want to martyr them and drive them into extinction.
April 28th, 2007 at 3:04 amI don’t know any Conservative that says torture is okay. I don’t believe torture is okay.
Comment by Patrick0
How about the nine Republican Senators who voted against the McCain amendment outlawing the use of torture in interrogations, and Dick Cheney’s attempts to lobby for exceptions to allow the CIA to use torture?
April 28th, 2007 at 10:43 amThe fact that you know don’t shows your ignorance–not that I am surprised, as almost everything you write is full of ignorant sweeping statements.
#137 But they are heretic Catholics.
Comment by Patrick1 — April 27, 2007 @ 6:36 pm
So many mistakes in a post so short…
First, Catholics are Christians. Maybe you mean Protestants when you say Christians.
Second, the meaning of heretic:
her·e·tic /n. ˈhÉ›rɪtɪk; adj. ˈhÉ›rɪtɪk, həˈrÉ›tɪk/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[n. her-i-tik; adj. her-i-tik, huh-ret-ik] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a professed believer who maintains religious opinions contrary to those accepted by his or her church or rejects doctrines prescribed by that church.
The ones that can be branded as heretics, are the followers of the protestant religions that spawned without permision of the structure of the Catholic Church (not that I care, but technically, it can be interpreted that way without inaccuracy).
And third, you know nil about the world out of your little county, isn’t? The protestants irish (mostly british descendants) have a paramilitary organization similar to the IRA, and they have conducted military attacks (=terrorism) against catholic targets.
So, STFU, if you don’t know what are you talking about.
April 30th, 2007 at 7:54 amIm a pro-life terrorist bomber!~!!!!!!!
April 30th, 2007 at 12:59 pmIm a pro-life terrorist bomber!!!!
April 30th, 2007 at 1:03 pm