Murtha Floats Impeachment As ‘One Way To Influence The President’
Murtha Floats Impeachment As ‘One Way To Influence The President’
This morning on CBS’s Face the Nation, Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) expressed frustration with the White House’s public rhetoric about wanting to reach a compromise over Iraq funding. “They say we’re willing to compromise,” he said. “And then we don’t get any compromise.”
“We’ve already compromised,” Murtha said. “And we need to make this president understand, Mr. President, the public has spoken. There’s three ways or four ways to influence a president. One is popular opinion, the election, third is impeachment and fourth is the purse.” Host Bob Schieffer followed up, pressing him on whether impeachment was a serious option on the table. Murtha responded, “I’m just saying that’s one way to influence a president.” Watch it:
Transcript:
MURTHA: The White House says no. But the White House has said no to everything. They say we’re willing to compromise, and then we don’t get any compromise. We’ve compromised on waivers for the requirements for the troops, which is their own requirements, and also goals instead of requirements for the benchmarks.
So, we’ve already compromised. And we need to make this president understand, Mr. President, the public has spoken. There’s three ways or four ways to influence a president. One is popular opinion, the election, third is impeachment and fourth is, and fourth is the purse.
SCHIEFFER: Are you seriously talking about contemplating an impeachment of this president by Congress?
MURTHA: Bob, what I’m saying, there’s four ways to influence a president.
SCHIEFFER: And that’s one of them?
MURTHA: And one of them’s impeachment, and the fourth one…
SCHIEFFER: That’s an option that is on the table?
MURTHA: … I’m just saying that’s one way to influence a president. The other way is through the purse. And the purse is controlled by the Congress, who’s elected the by the public. In the last election, the public said, we want the Democrats in control.
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April 29th, 2007 at 11:51 amI say after the veto, send Bush a bill with NO FUNDING for the war.
April 29th, 2007 at 11:54 amBush will be impeached or forced to resign.
Its the only way.
April 29th, 2007 at 11:55 amGo John!!!! Yesterday isn’t soon enough.
April 29th, 2007 at 11:57 amMurtha for Pesident!
April 29th, 2007 at 12:00 pm“Impeachment Summer” began yesterday…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
April 29th, 2007 at 12:02 pmMurtha > join with Kucinich to take down Cheney by impeachment. Without Dick, then Bush might listen to Congress more to protect his own butt from impeachment.
April 29th, 2007 at 12:03 pmYes!
Also, I just flipped to CNN where I heard the Iraqi government is taking a two month vacation.
April 29th, 2007 at 12:08 pmWhat is going to happen during those two months - nothing? No benchmarks, no discussions, no furthering of plans, no changes.
What am I missing here? We are supposed to fund this war indefinitely, yet for two months, we shouldn’t expect anything to happen except more death?
Come on, Murtha, put IMPEACHMENT on the table!
April 29th, 2007 at 12:10 pmI say after the veto, send Bush a bill with NO FUNDING for the war.
Comment by AboveTheClouds — April 29, 2007 @ 11:54 am
Good idea,but I’d send him back this same bill over and over; it would have the same effect as a no funding bill.
April 29th, 2007 at 12:10 pmLet Bush veto the money for the troops.
1) He ignores the willing of the people and the election.
2) The democrats are too chicken shit to use the power of the purse.
3) That lives only impeachment… but given #2 how can they have the balls to do impeachment? Are they going to start calling out the republicans on national TV by name? Are they just going to wait for enough republicans to go to jail to allow them the votes needed?
April 29th, 2007 at 12:11 pmThink progress is made up of wimps who are just like the republicans.
They talk about free speech, while they ban anyone whose speech they don’t like.
You talk a good game Judd, Faiz and the rest, but you wouldn’t know free speech if it landed on your heads.
April 29th, 2007 at 12:11 pmYou can contact Representative Murtha here:
http://www.house.gov/murtha/write.shtml
April 29th, 2007 at 12:12 pmSynapsis of Articles of Impeachment Against Vice President Richard B. Cheney
Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of the people of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors.
Artice I
The Vice President of the United States, Richard B. Cheney, has purposely manipulated the intelligence process to deceive the citizens and Congress of the United States by fabricating a threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction to justify the use of the U.S. Armed Forces against the nation of Iraq in a manner damaging to our national security interests.
(1) Despite all evidence to the contrary, the Vice President actively and systematically sought to deceive the citizens and Congress of the United States about an alleged threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.
(2) Preceding the March 2003 invasion of Iraq the Vice President was fully informed that no legitimate evidence existed of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The Vice President pressured the intelligence community to change their findings to enable the deception of the citizens and Congress of the United States.
(3) The Vice President’s actions corrupted or attempted to corrupt the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate, an intelligence document issued on October 1, 2002 vote to autorize the use of force. The Vice President’s actions prevented the necessary reconciliation of facts for the National Intellgence Estimate which resulted in a high number of dissenting opinions from technical experts in two federal agencies.
The Vice President subverted the national security interests of the United States by setting the stage for the loss of more than 3,300 United States service members; the loss of 650,000 Iraqi citizens since the U.S. invasion; the loss of approximately $500 billion in war costs which has increased our federal debt; the loss of military readiness within the United States Armed Services due to overextension, lack of training and lack of equipment; the loss of United States credibility in world affairs; and the decares of likely blowback created by the invasion of Iraq.
EVIDENCE:
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI1A.pdf
April 29th, 2007 at 12:12 pmkucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI1B.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI1C.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI1D.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI1E.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI1FG.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI1H.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI2A.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI2B.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI3.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI3.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI3.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/clo1.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/clo2.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/clo3.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/clo4.pdf
It took Bush and Co. 8 1/2 months to put the forces and equipment (both insufficient) in place to start the invasion of Iraq. I suspect that it will take just about as long to pull them out in a phased process. If we left in a stampede, we would leave enough weapons behind to make Iraq the most powerful nation in the Middle East. Israel would move to second place.
April 29th, 2007 at 12:12 pmI totally agree. He is ignoring popular opinion and the vote. So it is time to impeach both Chaney and Bush.
April 29th, 2007 at 12:13 pmSorry, his website does not accept out of district contacts.
Here are his phone and fax numbers:
Washington, D.C. Office
April 29th, 2007 at 12:14 pm2423 Rayburn HOB
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-2065
(202) 225-5709 fax
Well, talk of impeachment might be how to influence the Republican Senators. There aren’t the numbers in the Senate at the moment to successfully impeach. But the Republicans might agree to override a veto to avoid the embarrassment of impeachment hearings.
I was interested in the order Murtha put them. Impeachment should have come last, but he put the purse there. They need to convince moderate Republicans to override the veto –should Bush actually do that– and threat of impeachment proceedings is a good way.
April 29th, 2007 at 12:16 pm#13 - I don’t believe that the Democrats are asking for us to pull out in a stampede, they are calling for a phased withdrawal. Do you advocate that we stay there permanently? What do you think we should do?
April 29th, 2007 at 12:16 pmi was watching this, my daughter sitting with me…
April 29th, 2007 at 12:16 pmwhen i heard that, i said, “he SAID it… he said the i-word…
he said ‘impeachment’, out loud!!!”
i was so happy…
i thought poor schieffer was gonna choke!
sure wish murtha had said, “yes, impeachment is on the table”…
it’s a step… in the correct direction…
I just called and left a message. I encourage others to do the same. Let’s flood his office with encouragement to put IMPEACHMENT back on the table!
April 29th, 2007 at 12:17 pmIf Bush vetoes the funding bill (whihc he will), Congress should resend the same bill with a LOWER dollar number each time.
As for Murtha bringing up Impeachment - it’s about damn time!
April 29th, 2007 at 12:17 pmHere is Murtha’s FAX number in his home district: 814-539-6229. Send him gobs of faxes to impeach Cheney now.
April 29th, 2007 at 12:20 pm20. I respectfully disagree. If Bush vetoes the bill, Congress should not resubmit another one. Just fund medical care for the troops and the “homeland security” recommendations.
Let Bush use whatever is in the pipeline to bring the troops home NOW if he vetoes the bill. Let his veto, veto his war!
April 29th, 2007 at 12:22 pm#
If Bush vetoes the funding bill (whihc he will), Congress should resend the same bill with a LOWER dollar number each time.
As for Murtha bringing up Impeachment - it’s about damn time!
Comment by unbelievable — April 29, 2007 @ 12:17 pm
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And an earlier withdrawal date each time as well. Eventually he will be wishing he had this bill back.
April 29th, 2007 at 12:22 pmSynopsis of Articles of Impeachment Against Vice President Richard B. Cheney
Article II
The Vice President of the United States, Richard B. Cheney, has purposely manipulated the intelligence process to deceive the citizens and Congress of the United States about an alleged relationship between Iraq and al Qeada in order to justify the use of the U.S. Armed Forces against the nation of Iraq in a manner damaging to our national security interests.
(1) Despite all evidence to the contrary, the Vice President actively and systematically sought to deceive the citizens and the Congress of the United States about an alleged relationship between Iraq and al Qeada.
(2) Preceding the March 2003 invasion of Iraq the Vice President was fully informed that no credible evidence existed of a working relationship between Iraq and al Qeada, a fact articulated in several official documents.
The Vice President subverted the national security interests of the United States by setting the stage for the loss of more than 3,300 United States service members; the loss of 650,000 Iraqi citizens since the U.S. invasion; the loss of approximately $500 billion in war costs which has increased our federal debt; the loss of military readiness within the United States Armed Services due to overextension, lack of training and lack of equipment; the loss of United States credibility in world affairs; and the decades of likely blowback created by the invasion of Iraq.
EVIDENCE:
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII1A.pdf
April 29th, 2007 at 12:23 pmkucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII1B.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII1C.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII1D.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII1E.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII1F.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII1G.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII1H.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII1I.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII2A.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII2B.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII2C.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/clo1.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/clo2.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/clo3.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/clo4.pdf
Just fund medical care for the troops and the “homeland security†recommendations.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — April 29, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
If we did that, though, Bush would give that money to Blackwater, then complain that democrats refused funding for the troops.
April 29th, 2007 at 12:25 pmI just called and left a message. I encourage others to do the same. Let’s flood his office with encouragement to put IMPEACHMENT back on the table!
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Flood the REPUBLICANS offices.
April 29th, 2007 at 12:26 pmThanks BnF:
You can contact Representative Murtha here:
http://www.house.gov/murtha/write.shtml
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
I was just looking for that. Everyone please write Murtha an email of support.
April 29th, 2007 at 12:28 pm25 - that would be a misappropriation of funds…an impeachable offense.
April 29th, 2007 at 12:30 pmImpeach!
April 29th, 2007 at 12:35 pmSynopsis of Articles of Impeachment Against Vice President Richard B. Cheney
Article III
In his conduct while Vice President of the United States, Richard B. Cheney, in violation of his constitutional oath to faithfully execute the office of Vice President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has openly threatened aggression against the Republic of Iran absent any real threat to the United States, and done so with the United State’s proven capability to carry out such threats, thus undermining the national security of the United States.
(1) Despite no evidence that Iran has the intention or the capability of attacking the U.S. and despite the turmoil created by U.S. invasion of Iraq, the Vice President has openly threatened aggression against Iran.
(2) The Vice President, who repeatedly and falsely claimed to have had specific, detailed knowledge of Iraq’s alleged weapons of mass destruction capabilities, is no doubt fully aware of evidence that demonstrates Iran poses no real threat to the United States.
(3) The Vice President is fully aware of the actions taken by the United States toward Iran that are further destabilizing the world.
(4) In the last three years the Vice President has repeatedly threatened Iran. However, the Vice President is legally bound by the U.S. Constitution’s adherence to international law that prohibits threats of use of force. Article VI of the U.S. Constitution states, “… all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be supreme Law of the Land.” Article II, Section 4 of the U.N. Charter states, “All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independance of any state…” Article 51 lays out the only exception, “Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations…” Iran has not attacked the Untied States; therefore any threat against Iran by the United States is illegal.
The Vice President’s deception upon the citizens and Congress of the United States that enabled the failed U.S. invasion of Iraq forcibly altered the rules of diplomacy such that the Vice President’s recent belligerent actions toward Iran are destabilizing and counterproductive to the national security of the United States.
In all of this, Vice President Richard B. Cheney has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as Vice President, and subversive of constitutional government, to the prejudice of the cause of law and justice and the manifest injury of the people of the United States.
Wherefore Richard B. Cheney, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.
EVIDENCE:
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artIII1A.pdf
April 29th, 2007 at 12:35 pmkucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artIII1B.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artIII1C.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artIII1D.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artIII2AC.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artIII2B.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artIII2AC.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artIII3A.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artIII3B.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artIII3CE.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artIII3D.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artIII3CE.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artIII4A.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artIII4B.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artIII4C.pdf
Best way to contact Reps and Senators in DC is by FAX. Emails may never be seen directly by the Rep or Senator. Phoning in you talk to a secretary basically jots your beef down on a ledger pad accomplishes very little, but faxes have to be stamped received and filed under your name. Sometimes the Rep or Senator actually reads some of them.
If you send a fax, then type your message on one single page. Use spellcheck to make sure all your words are correct. Try to keep your fax letter on one subject and never call the Rep or Senator any names. Be cordial, but firm in your convictions.
April 29th, 2007 at 12:42 pmclearly, idiots like Mr. Murtha are despicable fools for allowing themselves to be ridden into submission by criminals. For not speaking up when they know that the information was false, you are a criminal yourself. Trying by using loud voices now to fix something you are responsible for and voted for, is not a reason why we should treasure your change of heart.
You are doing nothing to prevent further problems, further death, bankruptcy, pollution, and numerous other crimes against humanity that you are supporting by your inaction.
I am certain now that no one in congress is even mildly concerned about the fate of this country. we haven’t seen one filibuster, we haven’t seen any action that congress could do to end this. No, just continuation if the “throwing hands in the air” response. “what can we do?”
nothing apparently. talk is cheap, and you pinheads to nothing but talk. you vote for the war and then try to regain your respect with empty gestures and nonsensical raving about a future we do not have.
may you all die with the voices of those you have killed ringing in your ears. you have so many opportunities for doing good, and do nothing because you are so frightened you soil yourself over the latest polls, and care nothing about the dying and the reality that you have created.
and now you and your fellow criminals in congress would actually consider rewriting your legislation because out treasonous exu is going to veto it? You would actually consider voting for anything other than this?
go cheney yourselves. how appropriate it would be if a real terrorist attack would take you out while in session. not a phony terrorist attack by your allies to make it look like you were attacked by an enemy instead of your biggest campaign contributors, the saud.
you are all too busy getting blowjobs to consider impeachment.
April 29th, 2007 at 12:42 pm#17 - Kate Henry,
April 29th, 2007 at 12:43 pmI believe that we should do a phased withdrawal starting in August. That will give our overworked military time to pull together the logistics and put some of the needed equipment in place. Everyone should be out o Iraq by May of 2008 and a force of 50-60 thousand hunkered down in Kwait.
“And an earlier withdrawal date each time as well. Eventually he will be wishing he had this bill back.
Comment by chris L — April 29, 2007 @ 12:22 pm”
Exactly… That way, at some point, he’ll realize that he had better make a compromise.
And, as a benefit, by resubmitting them, we’ll be certain that the public and the troops get to keep seeing Congress making an effort while Bush continues to say ‘no’ to them, over and over and over…
April 29th, 2007 at 12:45 pmRemember Bush’s “compromise” with McCain on torture? The is no compromise with this administration. They love their war and they’re not giving it up.
Cut off funds. Pelosi and Reid should block any more Iraq spending bills from going to the floor. They should tell Bush, begin the withdrawal, and we’ll start providing more money to complete it.
No more talks with Bush.
No money, no war.
Yeah, impeach Bush. But end the war NOW. We can’t wait for the long process of impeachment…which might not even work…to save the lives of our soldiers who are being senselessly slaughtered in Iraq.
April 29th, 2007 at 12:49 pmYou can count on the mentally unstable bloggers to make a new cheerleader video, this time targeting Murtha.
April 29th, 2007 at 12:53 pmIMPEACH THE BASTARD!
I’ve got that on a bumper sticker. I think I’ll mail copies of that sticker to my representatives. Maybe it will wake them up to their duty, their responsibility to hold this president accountable for his actions.
Letting him and his administration skate free is sending a message to future presidents that they can get away with anything they want.
Maybe I’ll write that on the back and sign it.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:00 pm“blah blah blah..this will embolden ‘the enemy’” - some fake veteran troll
can some troll please explain to me how you further embolden someone whose already willing to blow themselves up?
April 29th, 2007 at 1:01 pmTop general: U.S. needs a bigger Army faster
8:05 a.m. EDT, April 29, 2007
http://www.cnn.com/ 2007/ US/ 04/ 29/ army.increase.ap/ index.html
•General says he wants to see active-duty force increased by 65,000 by 2010
• Plan to expand force to 547,000 by 2012 “too long,” says Gen. George Casey
• Army is stretched thin and will remain that way until new troops trained, he says
• Casey tells military spouses no guarantee deployments won’t exceed 15 months
What he’s really saying is we need the “Draft” back.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:02 pmThe Impeachment of dickey and his son junior sounds like a good first step.
Step 2: Prison . . . never to see the light of day.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:09 pm32. Comment by oldtree — Look who woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Someone get oldtree a coffee and a danish. What the hell do you want the congress to do oldtree? Do you want Pelosi to walk over to the Whitehouse and put a bullit to the back of GW’s head? Would that be fast enough? I want things to move fast, but I’m realistic. You have embedded most major NEWS networks that are corporate owned, who also own military procurement and have vested interest in this war. One slip-up by this congress and it may set them back months. For once in Democratic history, they have been unified and on point. If they stay the course and keep close thier agenda it might actually work. Right now we don’t need whining, we need unity and letter writing. Educating people on the facts, and exposing the NeoCon agenda. So roll back into bed get a couple more hours sleep and when you something constructive to say, come back.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:14 pmNo. 32 Comment by oldtree — April 29, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
Take a deep breath, calm down and try writing all that again in a more coherent manner. I’m interested in your message but it is too scattered to really understand.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:17 pmcan some troll please explain to me how you further embolden someone whose already willing to blow themselves up?
Comment by Chocolate Jesus Love Anulingus
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April 29th, 2007 at 1:20 pmExcellent point.
What’s for lunch??? The american people have spoken and Murtha’s right….”impeachment” will now be served to the congress by the people for breakfast, lunch, dinner and a bedtime snack! Get with the program of the people, Congress….Impeachment is THE only way to get this president’s attention. After all, this president serves “at the pleasure of the people” and we, the people, continue to speak but it falls on deaf ears. Since he refuses to listen and continues to engage in a pissing contest with the people, the people will have to show him who’s the boss now.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:27 pmBriseadh na Faire said:
Sorry, his website does not accept out of district contacts.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — April 29, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
Any of these addresses or zip codes will suffice to post your comment. I find that consituents only bullshit as totally bogus.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:28 pmhttp://www.house.gov/murtha/district.shtml
Impeachment is THE only way to reinstate the trust of the american people and, if Congress cares at all about this flagging democracy of ours, they will immediately bring about impeachment proceedings against this presisent and veep.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:28 pm#36
I met John Murtha in Chicago O’Hare airport about a year ago today. When talking to him about the Republic Party menace he patted me on the back and with a smile on his face said “Fuck ‘em”. I think any bloggers who target Murtha will receive the same sort of comment from him. Remember he’s a Marine. Its not a smart move to take on and piss off a Marine….as many have found out!
April 29th, 2007 at 1:29 pmThe faith and respect of the american people has been squandered and no one can trust anything that comes out of the mouth of anyone connected to this administration. Bush and his Cabal of Cronies are on “overtime” - the people are totally repulsed and gravely disgusted with all of the disgusting smut, law breaking, and lying going on. The people of this country have had it with this gang of thugs. It’s time for all of them to go!!
April 29th, 2007 at 1:29 pmFrom the beginning I have been against this war and all the evil this administration has done, to us and the world….I agree with BnF and many including Kucenich, cut all the fund’s, bring the troop’s home now, the money is already in the pipe line, return the country to the Iraq people, period…Stop the oil take over of american oil companies and end this madness immedietly….As far as we broke it we fix it, after we are out send fund’s and let their own rebuild….Above all ask for forgiveness for the over 650,000 men, women and children that have been killed by the bush administration..
We can not say we are against the war and then fund it, that’s the dumbest statement I hear every day….Met another vet today, he’s home from his 3rd (terminal) over there…A young man broken in spirit that we must help heal..He will not be going back..He said to me with the sadest eye’s I have ever seen,” you have no idea how terrible it is over there, we are killing men, women and children”. My reply was I can imagine and I know the grief and sadness…And we, together wept….Blessings
April 29th, 2007 at 1:30 pm#38. I think from now on each and every time any of us is confronted with the tripe tha “this will embolden the enemy” the first thing we need to do is ask “and whats your evidence for this statement?” Then badger the bastards until they can admit they have no evidence of it. Most likely they heard it on Faux Noise. One thing the last several years have taught me is that when confronted with facts, Republic Party members wilt on the vine because facts are such a foreign concept.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:32 pmDO IT!! DO IT NOW!!!
ITMFA!!!!!
April 29th, 2007 at 1:32 pmoh and while were on the topic of getting rid of traitors to this country… how can we dump Lieberman’s crusty ass?!
April 29th, 2007 at 1:35 pmsave americas integrity and impeach
April 29th, 2007 at 1:36 pmI saw little Janey Hartmann on CNN. The second Wolf said that John Murtha had brought up the word “impeachment,” little Janey started shaking her head back and forth. The former “Intelligence” woman is quite Little Miss Establishment.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:40 pmComment by Chocolate Jesus Love Anulingus
Not necessarily,but from time to time I do enjoy and will partake of some female fudge.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:42 pmALL of the crap we have seen these past 6 years was already tried by these same group of neocons in the 70s and 80s… the SAME stories… the SAME intelligence manipulations of the CIA… everything…
The Power of Nightmares
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=881321004838285177
ALL AMERICANS need to see this… or history will repeat itself.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:44 pmYour right, Sir! Dennis Kucinich will get us started if you won’t.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:02 pmyou are all too busy getting blowjobs to consider impeachment.
Comment by oldtree — April 29, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
April 29th, 2007 at 2:14 pmOldTree, Once freedumb has been given, It cannot be taken away.
ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS DO IT!!!
April 29th, 2007 at 2:21 pmNo. 23 Comment by unbelievable — April 29, 2007 @ 12:17 pm
As for Murtha bringing up Impeachment - it’s about damn time!
I feel the same, but our impatience should not engender frustration. Better to look at the reality of the situation. In a game of chess played by a Grandmaster, it is often hard to see the strategy needed to win. All we kibitzers can see is the immediate tactical move we want to use to “destroy” the other’s game. Only after some more moves have been made do we begin to realize what we thought of as a waste of time and missing a “great move” was not that at all.
So, look at it stratigically, in the overall view, and see how it looks.
First its Murtha, then Pelosi, then Finegold, then Kucinich. Now its Murtha (again), stepping up the pressure! And he is seen as a solid believable spokesman as opposed to how Kucinich is viewed, i.e. he is not way out there.
The “I” word, supposedly off the table, (off on purpose I believe, as it was too early for the American people to stomach, i.e. dems looking for revenge etc.) suddenly is back, now gently floated as a trial balloon (only one of 4 means of influence, he smooooothly said).
Is the public ready now? No doubt Reid, (the canny old boxer), Pelosi, Murtha, Waxman and others will be watching to see just how this is received. The MSM might just fall all over this “terrible mistake” by Murtha, and “try to make a fool of him.” They did that when he came out against the wa…er invasion. He is the point man on this issue, and our response will tell them what they can do to represent us without overstepping.
Rove would like nothing better than to have us get out in front of public sentiment so they would have the ball in their court.We must of necessity always be one step behind, a real trick to pull off.
I say bring on the MSM! The “I” word will become the ‘water cooler moment’ that can not be put, like the genie, back in the bottle.
Let’s watch our leaders carefully, and appreciate the sophistication needed to overcome this neo-con debacle of the last 26 years! They look to us for guidance! So, lets let them hear it from us! IMPEACH NOW!
Strength, passion, and awareness, but above all, a cany street smart approach, is needed in this dangerous time. In my view, our leaders know that! One step at a time. Blustering ahead like a bull in a china shop will make us look like just that, an emotional bunch of revengeful jerks to the easily manipulated general public.
Sadly, in this time of great need, damn it, our legislative branch was designed to act and react slooooly. Look how far we have come in the last 6 months!! I’m amazed. Last summer I was depressed. Today I’m cautiously ecstatic. Now there is an oxymoron.
The wheels of justice grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly small!
Pulverize, comes to mind! Just how small can the neocons become?
April 29th, 2007 at 2:28 pmIt is time to put impeachment back on the table. He will not compromise, he won’t listen therefore do something that will make him listen. Impeachment!
April 29th, 2007 at 2:44 pmhttp://www.mcall.com/ news/ local/ lehighton/ all-b3_1iraq.5824376apr28,0,7959796.story?coll=all-newslocallehighton-hed
April 29th, 2007 at 3:02 pmI was wondering how impeachment influenced the last President who was impeached…..
April 29th, 2007 at 3:03 pmImpeach this arrogant, ignorant tool of the reighwingnuts and troglodytes on the Reich. What a bunch of miserble failures. I am so glad the GOP is over.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:06 pmThis is a trial balloon. Smart public maneuvering by Murtha. You can bet that got the White House’s attention.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:08 pm61 - look it up, then get back to us.
By the way, some people claim this is you:
http://profile.myspace.com/ index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=79943506
Is that true?
April 29th, 2007 at 3:13 pmwe need twin impeachments.in order of importance,the vp and then the prez
April 29th, 2007 at 3:15 pm#61 Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
“I was wondering how impeachment influenced the last President who was impeached…..”
Dear sweetie Venus,
And your point is?…
April 29th, 2007 at 3:54 pmAs part of my professional duties, I’m in contact with state and federal legislators on a fairly regular basis, so I’d like to offer a couple of suggestions about the best way to get your message heard.
1. Believe it or not, but the best way - the BEST way - to get in touch with anyone in Congress is by fax. Email is reserved for constituents (and even then it tends to go into a black hole), snail mail takes anywhere between 4 and 6 weeks to reach them (thanks to heightened security measures due to the anthrax scares), and phone calls are answered by twenty-something interns who check a box next to a predetermined list of subjects.
2. When you fax them, be sure that your communication only contains one topic. Why? Again, because of the interns who pull the faxes and sort them by the first item addressed. If you want to vent about Alberto Gonzales, send a separate fax.
3. I know you probably won’t like hearing this, but the fact is that John Murtha is under absolutely no obligation to do anything with any correspondence sent to him by someone who’s not a constituent. If you live in, say, Virginia, and faxed him about impeachment, his office would forward your message to YOUR member of Congress. So, while Murtha is a convenient figurehead, it’s probably best to start with your state’s own Congressional delegation.
4. Lastly, when you contact anyone in Congress about any issue, you need to personalize it. These offices get thousands of action alerts every day, and most of them end up in a pile somewhere. You need to explain in a clear and effective way why this issue resonates with you and why your member of Congress needs to get involved.
If you follow these simple steps, your chances of success are much greater.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:57 pm64, sure looks like her! Ew. MA/VV, eat something, please!
April 29th, 2007 at 4:15 pmIf Bush wants more money to fund this immoral war, let him sell the White House. Donald Trump or Bill Gates would pay top dollar.
A good new home for George and Laura would be Walter Reed Hospital. I don’t think George has any missing body parts, except for his brain.
The crumbling ceiling and mold are negotiable. Free rent until May 1. Hurry!
April 29th, 2007 at 4:36 pm#68 Comment by SKdeA — April 29, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
64, sure looks like her! Ew. MA/VV, eat something, please!
I was out of touch for a while. Does MA stand for “Mighty Aphrodite?”
April 29th, 2007 at 4:48 pmI was wondering how impeachment influenced the last President who was impeached…..
Comment by valiant venus —
That would be the one whose approval rating was in the ’60’s, during impeachment? Bush’s isn’t even half of that. Impeachement now might actually do republicans some political good - but the only thing they’re good at is incompetence, so count on them to blow it again.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:15 pmIMPEACH. Start with Dick Cheney, after all, Articles of Impeachment have already been entered in the record at the House of Representatives.
Support Dennis Kucinich’s HR 333. The White House is not going to change its ways no matter how low their approval rating falls.
It’s either IMPEACH or wait for them to declare martial law. Then nobody gets to vote in ‘08.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:29 pmMan, I can’t take this garbage! Murtha — my own beloved Congressman — DID NOT suggest impeachment in any way, shape, or form.
Sorry to disappoint, but this is right wing spin pure and simple. Not that I wouldn’t love to see it — not that it isn’t necessary — but Murtha enumerated it among other options for controlling the President as a tutorial of what those options are, and never advocated it.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:51 pmhence… the floating of impeachment on the sunday talk shows… very curious, indeed… is he kakistrocracy in its last throws?
April 29th, 2007 at 6:39 pmAll of the “EXPERTS” opine that the Bushites are…
…”out of touch with reality”…
…doesn’t that mean that they (President and VP)…
…should be professionally diagnosed?
…after all these two people can unleash a nuclear holocaust…
…they’re lying constantly and being irrationally obstinate on Iraq…
…they have lost whatever sanity they had…
…and should be removed from office…
April 29th, 2007 at 7:24 pmThe problem with Bush is it seems that impeachment may be the only changing his opinion on anything. Beyond impeachment and out right coup would inac change, but STILL would probably not change the opinion iof this dolt.
He is stubborn beyond comprehension.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:36 pmThe House might impeach, but the Senate doesn’t have the numbers to convict. However, I still think that Murtha might be using it as a tool to gather the numbers necessary to overturn a veto. Better to override a veto than to face an impeachment trial.
It might make more sense to impeach Gonzales. I think the Senate does have the numbers there. And that would send a strong message. Certainly Cheney deserves to be removed from office, but he’s one dangerous dude with plenty of power behind him still.
Remember, impeachment only means removal from office. These jokers can be charged, tried, convicted and imprisoned after they leave office. And I think one should demand there be a full investigation beginning in the post-Bush world to the crimes of the past 7 years. I shouldn’t be surprised if the number of officials sent to jail exceeds that of Watergate.
April 29th, 2007 at 8:32 pmI hope the USMC disowns Murtha. He doesn’t deserve the title of Marine.
April 29th, 2007 at 8:37 pmI still think that Murtha might be using it as a tool to gather the numbers necessary to overturn a veto.
Comment by david #76
…hate to burst any bubblesbut…
…Murtha wasn’t actually jumping on the Kucinich band wagon…
…he was merely outlining choices to stop Bush…
…Murtha knows that unless the MEDIA and the inbred REPULSIVESCUM voters…
…pressure their Repulsivescum representatives in the House and Senate…
…impeachment is a losing proposition…
April 29th, 2007 at 8:52 pmTell Congress to Impeach Bush and Cheney
http://www.democrats.com/peoplesemailnetwork/88
Tell Congress to Impeach Cheney First
April 29th, 2007 at 9:06 pmhttp://www.democrats.com/peoplesemailnetwork/73
This is where the “Clinton” mantra by Republicans that everything that they are accused of is excusable because, “Clinton did it too”.
Impeachment? Clinton was impeached, though not convicted. George’s handlers would do well to steer clear of too many comparisons between himself and Bill Clinton.
I assume that the reasons for taking the “I-word” off of the table, is that first, you must impeach Dick Cheney, and secondly, the Senate probably does not have the votes to get a conviction if Repugs vote according to party lines.
Doesn’t everyone agree that Dick Cheney can’t be allowed to become our President? Talk about a long, national nightmare…
April 29th, 2007 at 11:34 pm#80 I disagree, wmholt. Bush is the frosting that makes Cheney palatable to some. Get rid of Bush and we have a guy with a 19% approval rating. Even most Republican Senators and Congressmen would have no problem defying ole Satan.
April 30th, 2007 at 12:03 am#81 - where did 19% come from? Harry Reid said 9%, I think. I would be very surprised if Vice’s approval is as high as 1 in 5.
April 30th, 2007 at 12:22 am#82 Last I knew it was 19%.
April 30th, 2007 at 12:35 am#82 Reids comment was hyperbole. Cheney has never been at 9%. I think that was sarcasm.
April 30th, 2007 at 12:36 amChimpeachment is the best thing that can happen to a criminal like the leader of the Bush Crime Family…it is too good for that crook.
April 30th, 2007 at 12:53 amDear (congressional representative),
In my opinion, it seems that there are a lot of cowards running the United States of America.
I am referring to Senate Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin, D. Illinois, as reported in the Washington Times on 4/28/07. He was quoted as saying, “The information we had in the intelligence committee was not the same information being given to the American people. I was angry about it. Frankly, I couldn’t do much about it because, in the intelligence committee, we are sworn to secrecy. We can’t walk outside the door and say the statement made yesterday by the White House is in direct contradiction to classified information that is being given to this Congress.†This statement was made on 4/25/07 on the Senate floor about the run-up to the Iraq war in 2002.
Not speaking out against this country being taken to war illegally is an act of Treason!
It should be obvious to all that subversion against the interest of the people is about the worst crime possible.
Swearing secrecy to intentionally deceive the public and particular legislative bodies is treason in my books.
It is your public duty to do anything and everything in your power to stop the illegal war in Iraq as soon as possible. To do anything to the contrary would be considered support for a crime against the American people and crimes against humanity.
Defend the Constitution of the United States and this country against all enemies, both foreign and domestic!
Impeach Mr. G. W. Bush and Mr. R. Cheney post haste.
There is no happy ending to this saga.
Sincerely,
Time to turn the heat up on the traitors!
April 30th, 2007 at 1:43 amTO NANCY PELOSI
Submitted by bigfish2003 on April 30, 2007 - 3:29am.
Saturday, April 28, 2007 TO: NANCY PELOSI Nancy Pelosi,
I have 44 people already signed up to canvass and man phone banks against you in 2008, should you not stop the bull… and put Impeachment back on the table!
For example, Impeachment is popular among the American People! You are in denial, if you say that it is not! You are as bad as Bush in your denials!
Also, get HRES 333 (the Impeachment of Cheney) out of the House Judiciary Committee and sent to the Rules Committee and have them prepare a Resolution for the Judiciary Committee to Investigate.
What about George Tenet’s new book, when he states that Cheney was planning to attack Iraq long before 911???
Additionally, do not take the withdrawal language out of the military supplemental bill. Let the President veto bills with this language as many times as he wants.
Soon, The President will be under pressure to sign a bill with this language in it.
Volunteer to travel to Pelosi’s District to canvass and man phone banks vs Nancy Pelosi, should she and the Democrats remove withdrawal language, and should the Democratic Caucus not put Impeachment back on the table! Robert E. Fisher, MSW (rbrtfis@aol.com)
April 30th, 2007 at 9:01 amTO NANCY PELOSI
Submitted by bigfish2003 on April 30, 2007 - 3:29am.
Saturday, April 28, 2007 TO: NANCY PELOSI Nancy Pelosi, I have 44 people already signed up to canvass and man phone banks against you in 2008, should you not stop the bull… and put Impeachment back on the table!
For example, Impeachment is popular among the American People! You are in denial, if you say that it is not! You are as bad as Bush in your denials!
Also, get HRES 333 (the Impeachment of Cheney) out of the House Judiciary Committee and sent to the Rules Committee and have them prepare a Resolution for the Judiciary Committee to Investigate.
What about George Tenet’s new book, when he states that Cheney was planning to attack Iraq long before 911???
Additionally, do not take the withdrawal language out of the military supplemental bill. Let the President veto bills with this language as many times as he wants.
Soon, The President will be under pressure to sign a bill with this language in it.
Volunteer to travel to Pelosi’s District to canvass and man phone banks vs Nancy Pelosi, should she and the Democrats remove withdrawal language, and should the Democratic Caucus not put Impeachment back on the table! Robert E. Fisher, MSW (rbrtfis@aol.com)
April 30th, 2007 at 9:04 amImpeachment is necessary but not sufficient for Bush, Cheney and Gonzales at a minimum. They need to be impeached in the house, tried and convicted in the Senate, indicted and held over for international war crimes trials to show the world the United States isn’t a continuation of the 1000 year Reich.
Ideally this will be timed so that Impeachment is concluded around November 2008 and goes to trial in the Senate with a verdict mid January 2009 after the 21 Republican senators up for election in 2008 have been replaced and a new Democratic president, vice president and attorney general are in office.
This can begin the process of correcting the damage caused by the 10th Congress even as the remaining Republicans are considered for protection under the endangered species act.
April 30th, 2007 at 10:01 amYes, impeach - put it on the table!!!
April 30th, 2007 at 1:47 pmIf you are not a resident of California’s 8th Congressional District and
April 30th, 2007 at 4:57 pmare contacting Nancy in regard to her role as Speaker, please email Nancy at
AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov.
Not only should Bush be impeached, he should be tried for war crimes- crimes against humanity.
April 30th, 2007 at 6:05 pmNot only should Bush be impeached, he should be tried as a war criminal for crimes against humanity.
April 30th, 2007 at 6:08 pmWhat a bunch of maroons! Simply fill in an address that is in Speaker Pelosi’s or whoever’s district you want to contact. Use google to search for a valid local address. I’ve sent many a messages this way to the mis-guided Pelosi and others who use this scheme to avoid criticism by non-constituent contact.
As for impeachment, neither President Bush nor Vice President Chaney have not committed any high crimes or misdemeanors.
And there isn’t a politician in Washington or anywhere else that’s going to indict another politician for saying something untrue otherwise they would all be guilty, every last one of them! They know it and they aren’t going to start down that slippery slope.
So give it a rest, reign in your fantasies and get a grip on reality!
April 30th, 2007 at 11:13 pmWar crimes? Dang how I wish there was a comprehensive intelligence test people have to pass before they could vote …
April 30th, 2007 at 11:18 pmYou would make a good osterich, your head is so far in the sand.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:01 am