Rice Falsely Claims U.N. Inspectors Thought Saddam Hussein Had WMD
Rice Falsely Claims U.N. Inspectors Thought Saddam Hussein Had WMD
In his new book, former CIA Director George Tenet alleges that there was “never a serious debate that I know of within the administration about the imminence of the Iraq threat,” suggesting the administration had made up its mind to go to war from an early stage.
On CNN’s Late Edition, Condoleezza Rice responded, “We all thought that the intelligence case was strong,” adding that even “the U.N weapons inspectors [thought] Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.” She concluded, “So there’s no blame here of anyone.” Watch it:
Rice would like the public to believe that no one is to blame because everyone was misled by the intelligence. In fact, U.N. weapons inspectors declared weeks before the invasion that Hussein did not possess WMD. The inspectors publicly lambasted consistently false and misleading U.S. intelligence leading up to the war:
[On March 7, 2003], the head of the IAEA, Mohamed El-Baradei, reported that there was no evidence that Saddam Hussein had any nuclear weapons or was in the process of acquiring them. Mr Blix said: “By then, Mohamed ElBaradei revealed that Niger was not authentic.” British intelligence falsely claimed Iraq had been trying to acquire uranium from Niger. [4/28/05]
So frustrated have the inspectors become that one source has referred to the U.S. intelligence they’ve been getting as “garbage after garbage after garbage.” … The inspectors find themselves caught between the Iraqis, who are masters at the weapons-hiding shell game, and the United States, whose intelligence they’ve found to be circumstantial, outdated or just plain wrong. [2/20/03]
Chief United Nations weapons inspector Hans Blix told the U.N. Security Council that his inspection teams had not found any “smoking guns” after visiting some 125 Iraqi sites. [1/9/03]
Transcript:
RICE: But let me go back to George on this one. I certainly don’t blame George for the slam dunk comment having the sense that that was the reason we went to war. I think the completeness reading of how, certainly, I read the slam dunk comment…
BLITZER: Does he deserve an apology?
(CROSSTALK)
RICE: You know, I was asked about this, and I was asked “Did he say slam dunk?” I said, “Yes, but we all thought that the intelligence case was strong.” To the degree that there was an intelligence problem here, it was not just an intelligence problem with George Tenet, it was not just an intelligence problem with U.S. intelligence.
It was an intelligence problem worldwide. We all thought — including U.N. inspectors — that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. So there’s no blame here of anyone.
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More delusion and denial.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:46 pmIraq did not even have a nuclear power plant so how on earth it had a nuclear weapon bedazzled most of the worlds population. how they could launch a weapon in 45 minutes is amazing it would take 45 years to get one bomb
April 29th, 2007 at 1:49 pmOne wonders why he did NOT complain when it was relevant! Do you not wonder, too?
http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2007/04/on-national-scene-george-tenet-slams.html#links
April 29th, 2007 at 1:50 pmWould it be so hard for Blitzer to say, “Hey, wait a minute there…”?
Or does he even know that she’s lying. TV news sucks.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:50 pmKindasleazy Rice is too disgusting to look at on a Sunday.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:50 pmWhat a pathetic piece of shit this sack of protoplasm masquerading as a human comports to be.
I wretch at its sight.
When this war started I was in India and 1 billion people Knew Bush was lying and kept saying its the Oil
The world is not as half as stupid as America likes to think
April 29th, 2007 at 1:51 pm#1 comment, I would like to think they were just delusional, but I have to go with denial. They know what they’re saying, and they know that they’re lying, and they’re war criminals.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:53 pmIf she believes what she says, she shouldn’t be so afraid to testify in Congress.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:53 pmwow… talk about making waxman’s case for him…! ferragamo condi clearly demos WHY henry served her with a subpoena and WHY today’s nyt op-ed supports her dragging her well-shod feet in front of his committee to be questioned under oath… oh, condi… you and your big mouth…
April 29th, 2007 at 1:53 pmAnd, yes, I DO take it personallyhttp://takeitpersonally.blogspot.com/
they are on the defensive whenever they throw Condi on these shows…the fact that she is a woman & person of color is meant to deflect & dampen any criticism.
if she is the public face this week, that means they are busy regrouping & planning PR strategy.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:53 pmWhy aren’t the journalists ready to call these toadies out when they lie? Or maybe they should have Rice on at the same time as the head of the IAEA, Mohamed El-Baradei. Let her lie in his face and see what happens.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:54 pmCondi lies for her boyfriend. Some women just do that kind of thing.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:54 pmIf anyone is interested heres a complete timeline to the war in Iraq
http://downingstreetmemo.com/timeline/
lies after lies after lies ……………
April 29th, 2007 at 1:56 pmMore Condi Rice greatest hits:
“I believe the title was, ‘Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States.’”
Condi Rice, responding to 9/11 Commission question about the title of the infamous August 6, 2001 PDB warning of Al Qaeda strikes in the U.S., May 19, 2004.
“I know there were people who said, ‘Why don’t we get out of this now, take a peace with the South, but leave the South with slaves?’”
Condi Rice, on Iraq withdrawal debate, September 4, 2006.
“Punish France, ignore Germany and forgive Russia.” Secretary State nominee Condoleezza Rice, on her foreign policy approach, 2003.
“I know we’ve made tactical errors, thousands of them I’m sure.”
April 29th, 2007 at 1:56 pmCondoleezza Rice, March 31, 2006.
Tell Congress to use the
Inherent Contempt Process
Congress has another weapon in its arsenal for backing up the subpoena power: the long-dormant “inherent contempt” process, described below in the Congressional Research Service’s “Congressional Oversight Manual” (PDF):
Under the inherent contempt power, the individual is brought before the House or Senate by the Sergeant-at-Arms, tried at the bar of the body, and can be imprisoned. The purpose of the imprisonment or other sanction may be either punitive or coercive. Thus, the witness can be imprisoned for a specified period of time as punishment, or for an indefinite period (but not, at least in the case of the House, beyond the adjournment of a session of the Congress) until he agrees to comply. The inherent contempt power has been recognized by the Supreme Court as inextricably related to Congress’s constitutionally-based power to investigate.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:57 pmThat is why she is called a lying cunt.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:59 pmLIES. Bullshit! The UN inspectors stayed to support their conclusions for as long as they could without putting UN lives at stake from American shock and awe.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:59 pmAsk Mr AlBaradi (sp, sorry, sir!), he will lay it out in a truthful manner.
The star she thought she hitched her wagon to,
April 29th, 2007 at 1:59 pmturns out to be a black hole,
and she’s rapidly approaching the event horizon.
Too funny Verby but Condi’s boyfriend is that limpwrister prime minister of Canada.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:01 pmYou mean the one she slept on the floor of her plane for?
April 29th, 2007 at 2:04 pmNo, wait, that was Jack Straw, from England…..
Was it all a dream when the so-called liberal media was blabbin’ about a possible presidential run for Condi? I guess if no one from that nasty party can step it up to be frontrunner it’s still wide open. Too hilarious.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:05 pmwhat’s so thoroughly amusing, is that, she can go on the Sunday talk shows and spout that trash, because she knows damn well that if she responded to Waxman’s subpeona and said the same crap under oath, they’d drag her away in cuffs.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:08 pmTHANK YOU WOLF BLITZER! For refusing to call Bush administration officials on their obvious lies. You do the country a great dis-service.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:09 pm“So there’s no blame here of anyone.â€
Translation: I’m to blame, I’m scared that I’ll get caught.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:09 pmTobey Tall@6:
Ditto for us Canadians. Only Americans were persuaded by Colin Powell’s powerpoint presentation.
Prime Minister Jean Chretien had an amusing way with language, but his point was valid and he stuck to it:
“Washington is trying to build an international coalition to support the removal of the Iraqi president. British Prime Minister Tony Blair has already endorsed the proposal, saying Saddam is too much of a threat to world peace.
But Chrétien, who is set to meet with U.S. President George W. Bush in Detroit on Monday, said he wants to see clear evidence that Baghdad now possesses weapons of mass destruction.
The prime minister wants UN inspectors to return to Iraq to find evidence of nuclear, chemical or biological weapons. When asked exactly what kind of proof he needs, he put it this way:
“A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It’s a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it’s because it’s proven.”
http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2002/09/05/iraq_pm020905.html
Americans should have demanded definitive proof, listened to the inspectors, listened to their allies, or waited for UN authorization. It’s incredibly disingenuous for Rice to claim that everyone was as blind and deceived as she and her cohorts.
And it is stunning that Blitzer doesn’t mention this by way of rebuttal. Aren’t these people aware of ‘the Google’? It makes it pretty easy to check Condi’s veracity.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:11 pmToo funny Verby but Condi’s boyfriend is that limpwrister prime minister of Canada.
Comment by the Lone Voice of Reason — April 29, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
He is just providing cover. What better way to nurture your affair with a married man than to pretend you are dating a single man whose sexual preferences are uncertain?
April 29th, 2007 at 2:12 pmRoyalties from these complacent, go along with it, authors should go to the innocent Iraqi women and children who have had their lives ruined by these thugs. Sell his Freedom metal as well. Then again it ain’t worth much having come from the dufus in chief.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:13 pm#21
Was it all a dream when the so-called liberal media was blabbin’ about a possible presidential run for Condi? I guess if no one from that nasty party can step it up to be frontrunner it’s still wide open. Too hilarious.
Comment by the Lone Voice of Reason — April 29, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
David Igalsias is the only Republican with any ethics. Too bad they screwed him, maybe he should take a poke at running.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:14 pmAgain they say things as if they’re true, even when it’s easy fact check to prove it ain’t. Their own believe it because they don’t read. What a bunch of idiots.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:14 pmToo funny Verby but Condi’s boyfriend is that limpwrister prime minister of Canada.
Comment by the Lone Voice of Reason — April 29, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
He is just providing cover. What better way to nurture your affair with a married man than to pretend you are dating a single man whose sexual preferences are uncertain?
Comment by VerbalKint — April 29, 2007 @ 2:12 pm
FAGHAG
April 29th, 2007 at 2:16 pmits a sad sad day when the closest thing our country gets to credible reporting is on the comedy channel….sharing the airwaves with shows along the lines of “ow my balls!”…
ps..y’all should rent/buy the movie Idiocracy. Alot of people on this list would appreciate it:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
“Joe Bauers, an Army librarian, is judged to be absolutely average in every regard, has no relatives, has no future, so he’s chosen to be one of the two test subjects in a top-secret hibernation program. He and hooker Rita were to awaken in one year, but things go wrong and they wake up instead in 2505. By this time, stupid people have outbred intelligent people; the world is (barely) run by morons–and Joe and Rita are the smartest people in America. ”
One of the funnier parts is when you see the world is full of idiots and thus fox is the only news station that has survived.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:23 pmImpeach her along with Bush and Cheney. And Gonzales.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:28 pmToo funny Verby but Condi’s boyfriend is that limpwrister prime minister of Canada.
Comment by the Lone Voice of Reason — April 29, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
He is just providing cover. What better way to nurture your affair with a married man than to pretend you are dating a single man whose sexual preferences are uncertain?
Comment by VerbalKint — April 29, 2007 @ 2:12 pm
FAGHAG
Comment by Wretched Refuse — April 29, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
Wow! Sexist, homophobic, and inaccurate. A trifecta!
1) The Prime Minister, Stephen Harper is married.
2) You may be referring to rumours about the Foreign Minister, Peter MacKay. He’s no more the Prime Minister than Condi is President.
3) I suppose by “limpwrister” you are implying that he is gay. Very unlikely, given his personal history. We have a number of gay men holding office in Canada but, when we talk about their sexual preference (which is rarely because it is irrelevant), we try not to use slurs.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:28 pm07-02-2003 Bush comments on insurgency in Iraq “bring them on”
04-29-2007 Insurgents comments to Bush in America “bring them on”
April 29th, 2007 at 2:29 pmBlitzer cannot brin ghimself to challenge Rice and Jamie McIntyre can’t bring himself to admit they were complicit in the Jessica Lynch fraud on the public — CNN went down a few more levels today — soon they will be on par with Fox.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:30 pmWar with Iraq before a genuine attempt at inspection and disarmament, without genuine international support, could swell the ranks of Al Qaeda with sympathizers and trigger an escalation in terrorist acts.
—SENATOR TED KENNEDY (9/27/02)
April 29th, 2007 at 2:31 pmSelf-serving George Tenet does not disappoint. Evidence that Saddam had WMD’s was in the 2002 National Security Estimate….so if George was SO sure the info that all primary Western leaders were relying on was bogus, why is he waiting until now til now for his mea culpa?
Oh well – On a bright note, at least he recovered his memory in shorter time than the insidiously evil Robert McNamara…
Happy Sunday Progs and Progettes!!
April 29th, 2007 at 2:32 pmIt’s so maddening that these criminals can lie like this and not be struck dead by lightning. And so many, many innocent people have been killed because of it. That’s what I can’t get my head around. Someone has to pay for this horror, and I’m afraid it’s going to be all of us, not the real perpetrators.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:34 pm“We have a number of gay men holding office in Canada but, when we talk about their sexual preference (which is rarely because it is irrelevant), we try not to use slurs.
Comment by Freaked-Out Canadian — April 29, 2007 @ 2:28 pm”
Because you’re the most educated nation on the face of the planet. We are currently about 13th (down from 5th since Bush took office). When people reach the height of their intellect, they ad hominem attack… And it’s no less repugnant coming from the left than the right.
I agree – let’s show some grace here and argue the issues, not insult minorities.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:36 pm“It’s so maddening that these criminals can lie like this and not be struck dead by lightning.
Comment by John H. Farr — April 29, 2007 @ 2:34 pm”
Which is why WE need to do something, instead of waiting for some divine retrobution that doesn’t exist.
I think that something should be impeachment.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:41 pmWell if the Condi quote about the South is accurate, it simply shows that no matter how much education one has, a person can still be a complete and total idiot.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:42 pmCondi really needs to go back and reread some Civil War histories (or just catch a Discovery or History Channel documentary) before opening her mouth. Perhaps she was correct about Union feelings before Sept 1862, but after Antietam, the overwhelming feeling in the Union was that the War had become ABOUT liberating slaves in Rebel-held territory. (Of course, the Emancipation Proclamation did nothing for the slaves in the Union’s four slaveholding states, nor did it do anything for the slaves in parts of the South that Union forces occupied since those areas were specifically exempt from the effects of the Proclamation.)
Of course, I shouldn’t be surprised when she works for a president who used the Dred Scott decision as his explanation for wanting to choose “strict constructionists” as future Supreme Court nominees.
Maybe having accurate knowledge about Civil War history should be a prerequisite for any Republicon politician before they invoke any comparison to that period of time.
Re:#37.
(paraphrased)
“Why is george Tenet waiting til now for his mea culpa?”
Timing is everything.
And he wanted to believe he had a chance of avoiding an extraordinary rendition.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:44 pmMA,
The UN knew no such thing. Here’s reality for you (watch out – it’s gonna smack you):
From the mouth of Scott Ritter (former head of UN Weapons Inspection Team in Iraq & former US Marine):
“The Iraqi army is in total disarray, capable of little more than manning security pickets along the Iran-Iraq border, in northern Iraq (Kurdistan), and in southern Iraq. I have visited numerous Iraqi military barracks and have seen soldiers in tattered uniforms and bare feet. Military training is without substance, barely sufficient to convert recruits into simple soldiers, let alone provide skills in the intricacies of modern combined arms combat-the integration of infantry, armor, artillery, and air power in a single military action. Reduced to five corps from seven before the Gulf War, the army today relies on an armored force whose centerpiece if the T-55 tank, a relic of the 1950’s. The few T-62 tanks and BMP armored fighting vehicles are only one generation newer, and countless generations behind world-leading U.S. battlefield technology.”
“Today, Iraq no long possesses arms of mass destruction.” – From an interview with the London-based Arabic newspaper Al-Hayat, March 31, 1999
“The U.S. has perverted the U.N. weapons process by using it as a tool to justify military actions, falsely so. … The U.S. was using the inspection process as a trigger for war.” — From an interview on the NBC Today show, December 17, 1998.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:45 pmThis is not good news for Hillary. Anyone who has access to newspaper archives will know that this “Had we known then what we know now” line ain’t gonna wash. We did know. Blix and ElBaradei were on national TV reporting what they’d found as they found.
Important things to remember: Saddam willing allowed his mid-range missles to be destroyed by the UN weapons inspectors even though they only violated the UN sanctions if fired without a payload; the UN weapons inspectors were not obstructed by Iraq in the way they had been in the 1990s; Blix was perplexed by the American bragging that they knew where Saddam had his cache of WMD hidden but wouldn’t provide any useful information to the UN weapons inspectors; and the Senate Intelligence Committee knew the Oct 2002 NIE was flawed and poorly supported at the time the received it.
I mean, the White House was playing a game of bluff in 2002 and early 2003. Anyone could have called them on the so-called evidence at any time. Colin Powell was embarrassed after his speech before the UN Security Council was shredded. And yet Hillary and Co didn’t challenge the administration. What happened to that Second UN Resolution? Why were France and Germany vilified for objecting –surely the Senate knew these people had spies in the area too? And ‘regime change’ is against international law –although American lawmakers have never seriously embraced that concept. Saddam could only ‘legally’ be taken out if he presented an imminent threat to the world. And he did not.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:45 pmi hate these people who undermine our case by posting homophobic & sexist comments.
the facts are on our side, we dont need to make slurs.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:47 pmA lie ?
April 29th, 2007 at 2:49 pmThe lady doth protest too much?
You can’t imagine my surprise.
#7 Comment by the Lone Voice of Reason — April 29, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
#1 comment, I would like to think they were just delusional, but I have to go with denial. They know what they’re saying, and they know that they’re lying, and they’re war criminals.
I fear you give her/them too much credit, and let reality (mine) off the hook!
It is a chess game! She knows exactly what she is saying. There is no denial or delusion here. Just carefully considered desperation.
And that is the reason the leadership has to react carefully and stay in tune with the general public at large. Not just listen to us progressives who are ahead of the curve.
Reality on the ground (here in the USA) is the benchmark they have to react to. Move too fast and Rove will grab the initiative. So far we have seded nothing and they are crumbling.
The “end game” has arrived. Remember that the hardest game to win is a won game! Wish all you people will understand this chess analogy. It is so right on.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:49 pmThanks, unbelievable.
Whatever devastating mistakes Condi Rice has made, they have to do with her incurious, uninformed, inflexible or ideological approach to her job…not with her sex, race or orientation.
Right-wing talk-radio has made an industry of vicious wink-wink-nudge-nudge innuendos, chortling, and ad hominem slurs. It has cheapened civil debate and infected even the most influential media outlets. Mark Halperin and John Harris write that, “Matt Drudge rules our world.” Well, maybe with Imus’ firing, that world is beginning to change. But it happens one small step at a time…even in the comment fields of blogs.
April 29th, 2007 at 2:51 pm“People were trapped by their own ignorance and the fear that is induced by ignorance so that they could not stand up and speak truth to power because, frankly speaking, most people didn’t know what the truth was. We were told that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, massive stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction, and, to be honest, most Americans didn’t have a clue what a weapon of mass destruction was. They didn’t know what chemical weapons were, biological weapons were, long-range ballistic missiles. They might have a vague understanding of what a nuclear weapon is, but not really, not what it takes to build a nuclear weapon. They were so ignorant about nuclear weapons that they bought into the argument that Iraq, a nation that is sitting on many tons of yellow-cake uranium ore, would have to go to an African country to buy new stockpiles. They were so ignorant about nuclear weapons that they bought at face value Dick Cheney’s proclamation that Iraq was acquiring aluminum tubes to build a new family of centrifuges to enrich uranium when everybody who deals with the enrichment of uranium using the centrifuge method knows that aluminum tubes will never work. We don’t build them with aluminum tubes. It doesn’t happen. But, no, the American people, informed as always about the complexities of these very difficult issues, said ‘my gosh, the President has said yellow cake, and Dick Cheney has said aluminum tubes, and there must be a nuclear threat because Condoleezza Rice has told us ‘we don’t want to wait for the smoking gun to become a mushroom cloud.’ So like the compliant little sheep that we are, we *bah, bah* get led down the path towards a war that has been a disaster, an unmitigated disaster, a war based on a lie, a war based on not just the ignorance of the American public but the moral indifference of those whom we elect to hire office to represent us in our name, namely the congress of the United States of America.”
- Scott Ritter, November 17, 2005, Amherst
April 29th, 2007 at 2:56 pmDavid at #44
This is not good news for Hillary.
Hillary needs to eat some humble pie on this one. It’s one of the reasons that Kucinich is so important to the ongoing campaign. He is a visible reminder that thoughtful, courageous people could see through the lies if they wanted to and weren’t playing it caltulatingly safe. Too bad Russ Feingold isn’t running too.
Here’s a glimpse of Kucinich’s precience:
April 29th, 2007 at 2:58 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/denniskucinich
“Thanks, unbelievable.”
What’s funny was that I was thinking the same thing, reading the posts, and then there was yours :)
“Whatever devastating mistakes Condi Rice has made, they have to do with her incurious, uninformed, inflexible or ideological approach to her job…not with her sex, race or orientation.”
Agreed. We are the only Industrialized Nation not to have Equal Rights laws – as a result, anyone who isn’t a white man is, by our culture, seen as flawed. We don’t accept someone as inferior in intellect or morality just because they are white and male, therefore, I wholly agree that we shouldn’t accept someone as inferior in intellect or morality just because they are black, female, Mexican, etc. Skin color and gender are things no one controls.
“Right-wing talk-radio has made an industry of vicious wink-wink-nudge-nudge innuendos, chortling, and ad hominem slurs. It has cheapened civil debate and infected even the most influential media outlets. Mark Halperin and John Harris write that, “Matt Drudge rules our world.†Well, maybe with Imus’ firing, that world is beginning to change. But it happens one small step at a time…even in the comment fields of blogs.
Comment by Freaked-Out Canadian — April 29, 2007 @ 2:51 pm”
Well said. And again, I totally agree :D
April 29th, 2007 at 3:03 pmRegardless, of her sex, or race, she is an incompetent, inept, disconnected bushie, just like the rest of the bushies. Campbell Brown took every opportunity on the Today show to praise and try and rehabilitate condibushie, but it ain’t going to work. Their huge failures are on display for all to see and nobody is buying the ,”there is no blame here for anyone.” Plenty of blame and she deserves her share.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:05 pmUnbe – You might be a citizen of the UN – I am an American. My countrys’ leaders, and a host of allied leaders, relied on the same info Bill and Hillary recited as well as a plethora of Dem/Progs. Of course, without core beliefs (and wanting to seeeem patriotic, the newly anti-Iraq war Dems are hoping to win the “blowing in the wind” contest of public opinion.
Happy Sunday to you!
April 29th, 2007 at 3:10 pmSounds like Condi’s got a mild case of Gonzo disease.
” I don’t recall” was uttered on Russert’s show when questions were asked related to the Niger uranium boondoggle and then to say on CNN that the UN inspectors did think Hussein had WND’s when Blix explicitly said he didn’t have any.
This mind melting must be contageous.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:10 pmunbelievable at #48
Ritter uses “ignorance” five times in that short passage. Well, who is genuinely responsible for that ignorance. After high school, what part of society is tasked with educating the American populace about issues relevant to their democracy. If it isn’t the press, I don’t know who it is.
And yet, so little of the press’ energy is devoted to explaining the history and geography of Iraq and Iran, explaining the breadth and diversity of Islam, detailing the difference between nuclear energy programs and nuclear weapons production, or exploring the long and often culpable relationship that America has had with both Iraq and Iran. Not to mention following up on Katrina, Afghanistan, or Darfur.
Instead, they pump up stories of celebrity misbehavior, wardrobe malfunctions, and sad but isolated cases of violence and murder.
If people in a democracy are uninformed or worse, deluded – say, by believing in a connection between 9/11 and Iraq – it is because the press has failed in its responsibilities, or been undermined.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:11 pmDear Canadian – Thank you for your support of Dennis Kucinich. He throws red meat to the Progressive/Socialists here and abroad – and with so many vegans, they could use it.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:12 pmComment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
Varmint Genus/Mitey Coprolite,
Your post is without an ounce of substance, as usual.
Fact remains that the UN disputed the existence of Iraq’s WMDs, which is why the Bush administration questioned the UN’s relevancy during the run-up to the war -or have you forgotten that now?
It is also the reason why the rabid Bush cult followers (that’d be you) haven’t stopped bashing the UN ever since: It reminds you of your utter stupidity and of the ill-made decision of invading a nation that was not a threat to its neighbors, let alone the US.
Your bringing the Clintons into this discussion is nothing but a weak attempt (the kind only you can make) at changing the subject.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:19 pmCan we put this tired old cannard of “Clinton had the same intelligence” or ” we all thought this or that?”
These arguments are simply a way of changing the subject. The point is not what anyone “felt” or “believed.” The point is the question of whether or not they would have invaded Iraq. We all know that Gore or Kerry or Clinton would have let the UN inspection process continue and that eventually everyone would have been convinced that there were no WMD’s and there would have been no invasion. He would have continued to be hemed in and controlled with no civil war in his country.
Please conservatives. Just let go of this intellectually dishonest attempt at moving goalposts and obfuscating the real issues.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:22 pmOh, and Varmint Genus,
Your “new anti-Iraq war” little smear is, once again, off the mark. At least as far as I am concerned. I was against the invasion before -way before- it happened.
Don’t get mad at us because you were duped; it’s your fault you are such a stupid, blind, brain-dead Bush cult follower.
Try learning from your mistakes, for a change.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:23 pm“Unbe – You might be a citizen of the UN – I am an American.”
Bang your head this morning? You’re as incoherent as usual…
We’re ALL inhabitants of EARTH. America is an arbitrary name of an arbitrary location on Earth.
“My countrys’ leaders, and a host of allied leaders, relied on the same info Bill and Hillary recited as well as a plethora of Dem/Progs.”
Since when do you use the Clintons for a defense? LOL Desperation knows no boundaries (i.e. morals and integrity).
I am an Independent, so if the Democrats acted as stupidly as the Republicans by ingoring the riduculous lies told by the Bush cabal, then I am not swayed. Unlike you, I follow the facts, not party lines or ideologies.
And the facts, if you bother to stop ignoring them were obvious that Saddam, and eighth rate military, was NO threat to the United States.
Go Google “Buying the War” by Bill Moyers. There’s the logic trail that proves you were duped by the Bush Regime, the majority of Congress, and the media.
“Of course, without core beliefs (and wanting to seeeem patriotic, the newly anti-Iraq war Dems are hoping to win the “blowing in the wind†contest of public opinion.”
I suppose you refuse to acknowledge the news about the latest sex-scandal corruption in your party, yet again… If anyone is without ethics, it is your side of the fence.
“Happy Sunday to you!
Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 3:10 pm”
Every day is happy for me, I don’t have to turn it into some silly celebration to make it so… Go buy some shoes. I’m sure that will help with your loneliness.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:23 pmValiant, do you really believe that Dems have no “core values?” Come on. There you are folks. A common conservative cannard — over half of the citizens of the U.S. have no core values. Does that make any sense to anyone?
April 29th, 2007 at 3:24 pm#45 Comment by n69n — April 29, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
“i hate these people who undermine our case by posting homophobic & sexist comments.
the facts are on our side, we dont need to make slurs.”
Anger is a form of grief!
Yes, we have the facts, and yes these slurs are not needed or good. That said, understand that the reason for this outpouring of anger is what has happened over the last 6 years. Blame the right people! It is BushCo that is at fault.
Our anger is truly real, and justified, and Bushco deserves all of it and more. What better way to express the pain and hurt we feel at the death and maining of our finest, for deceptive and political reasons? This open forum helps us grieve our loss of so many things Bushco has brought about.
So, while I agree that their may be a better way to express grief, I won’t criticize the expressions made by others, as strong or as revengeful as they may sound. We all grieve in our own way and in our own time.
I, for one, am angry as hell at what has befallen us in America and the world because of these neocon bastards. My wishes might just surpass those angry responses you “hate”.
As the Mikado sang in the Gilbert and Sullivan song, “Let the punishment fit the crime.”
And, if hell exists, the devil can hardly wait for this crop of “Christian neocon” hypocrits to arrive.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:24 pm#57 – Gregor
Apparently MA believes everyone is as ill-informed and sheep-like as she is.
I was against this war far before it ever began.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:28 pmThere you are folks. A common conservative cannard — over half of the citizens of the U.S. have no core values. Does that make any sense to anyone?
Comment by Bluedog49
It makes sense to MA. I’m just grateful that these self-righteous wingnuts are so upfront with their delusions. It’s easier to keep track of them that way.
I guess lying about every single thing in one’s life — from family to career is a core value. If so, I hope I never acquire them.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:31 pmDoes that make any sense to anyone?
Comment by Bluedog49 — April 29, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
It makes sense only to the self-appointed moral police patrol who extol the virtues of celibacy and abstinence in public, while using escort services to get “massages”.
It also makes sense to the people who believe them. Like Varmint Genus and her ilk -hypocritical lot that they are.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:32 pmVladiant Venus, #52, the last time I checked the USA was a citizen of the UN as well. Indeed, it was one of the Founders of the UN. It has a veto on the Security Council –and yet was too chicken to return for a Second Resolution authorizing invasion. Why? Because France, Germany, Russia, and China didn’t buy this crap about WMD.
The Coalition of the Willing –or Billing, as it was jokingly called– was hardly a collection of the best and brightest. It’s been a nightmare for Blair. The governments of Spain and Italy fell because of their support. And the ragtag bunch of former Warsaw Pact countries are essentially owned by the USA through the World Bank & the IMF.
If America doesn’t want to surrender the smallest amount of sovereignty to enter the international community, it should reembrace isolationism and give up trying to be world cop, world banker, and world preacher. Vladiant Venus, you can’t blow talk of freedom & democracy out your backside if you have only contempt for the other peoples of the world, their cultures, languages, and governments.
Try the Golden Rule for a change. The CIA seems to think it can meddle in every election outside the USA in a way that would enrage Americans should, say, France or Germany tried to do it in Ohio or Florida. US interests do not trump the human rights of non-Americans. That’s what the UN is all about. It’s time Americans got over their Messianic complex.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:32 pm> why is he waiting until now til now for his mea culpa?
because like every piece of vermin who lies down with the dogs in this administration, he was convinced to “take one for the team” to cover for the real liars. yes, he was a democrat, but if george bush kept him on board, theres no way the guys a left wing loonie.. if anything hes more a lieberman-eqsue wolf in sheeps clothings whose political affiliations and loyalties blow in the wind….. and in fact his weather vane idealogy would explain why hes singing a new tune now that hes finally figured out what an mindnumbing fiasco iraq has become. are we staying till iraqis have the right to be just like iran if 51 percent of the people choose that style of government?
>On a bright note, at least he recovered his memory in
>shorter time than the insidiously evil Robert McNamara…
amazing that you talk about memory lapses while defending alberto “I don’t recall remembering my last name” Gonz….uhm..something..
Honestly, your jibes are so self parodying I find it increasingly hard to beleive you are serious about the things you say.
Oh, and after demanding more and more specifics about murthas medals, I was STILL wondering if you could give us some detailed info about the various medals received by the current imposters in the executive branch and republican members of congress?
and is your statement that you’ve seen a purple heart medal in person as accurate as the statement that your a lawyer?
oh, and hermaphodite, only a handful of senators, sworn to secrecy by law, had access to the undoctored, decidely more ambigious information darth dick and dumbya had. its been posted here so many times, and you are so incredibly impervious to logic or reason, theres no point in posting it again.
and stop wishing us a good sunday you patronizing ugly little hag megan. get off the keyboard, put the pipe down, and go get yourself a few dozen egg mcmuffins so you get enough muscle mass to pull the cord on that weed wacker and use it on your filthy dandruff-ridden arms.
ps. saw your myspace. your mother is almost as ugly as you, whoever she whored herself out to that caused your birth must have been even uglier.. and cheap…. daddy still around or he leave when mommy started shooting up and charging him more than 20 bucks?
April 29th, 2007 at 3:33 pmvaliant venus at #52
Back in 2003 there were plenty of Americans and plenty of Dems who thought the pretext for war was specious, the plans for war naive, the justification for war criminal, and the potential for disaster likely.
Ritter, Kennedy, Kucinich, Obama, Feingold, Gore and many, many others. Over the past four years, the adminisration has cast aspersions on their patriotism, the press has marginalized them, and the pundits have mocked them mercilessly.
The real question is whether those who showed such terrible judgement before (and since) are therefore worthy of being elected to high office, or of maintaining their perch at the apex of press and pundity.
If a politician has a record, in retrospect, of knocking the ball out of the park, shouldn’t their batting average count when the new season’s team is being assembled? Shouldn’t the strike-out kings and queens’ records count against them?
And, if a pundit’s opinions, over time, have been shown to be precient, shouldn’t that precience be rewarded with more, not less, exposure?
To pretend that everyone was persuaded by the ‘bad intelligence’ in 2003 not only diminishes the courage and insight of your best politician and journalists, but it virtually guarantees a perpetuation of the dialectical conditions that led to the current crisis.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:35 pmFreaked-Out Canadian,
The media is whole heartedly the most powerful messenger in the United States. A perfect example: my brother says “I don’t believe anything I read on the Internet”. Why? Well, because the MSM on television told him not to… Of course they did, they would rather, for sake of profits, have him tune in there than come here. But he doesn’t have time to consider that, because he’s gotta watch NASCAR or other garbage. And then, he and my mother have lengthy discussions about Anna Nicole Smith’s death, Britny Spears meltdown, Brangelina, atc. And if I interject anything political, the two of them spout propaganda they heard on teh local news, and decide that the both of them can’t be wrong – so I must be. Well, until two or three years later when it finally comes out in the news. It’s horrific what our culture has become, and teh fact that a tool that could be used to educated people has become the epitome of making them ignorant.
I have this thing I do with my students prior to our study of architectural styles across the world. I project a map of the world on the wall and say “For bonus points, today we are going to study architecture in (fill in the blank)… Who can point to it on the map?”. For Iran, I had gone around the entire class, and no could point to it. No one. And I have some AP students…
April 29th, 2007 at 3:35 pmOkay, so now we know precisely how little the Republicans rate the memories of the American people. The inspectors were pretty downright emphatic on there being no evidence of WMDs in Iraq.
Now, if the Rightwing is to continue to rely on outright lies to defend their record, it is time they got shown up as such on national TV.
It is time for the Democrats to release and advert showing Blix’s testimony to the contrary with something along these lines in it:
Condi Rice says that the weapons inspectors in Iraq thought Saddam had WMDs.
Que clip of Hanz Blix saying that “his inspection teams had not found any “smoking guns†after visiting some 125 Iraqi sites.”
Followed by the voice over:
Well Condi, they could have fooled us.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:36 pm“We’re ALL inhabitants of EARTH. America is an arbitrary name of an arbitrary location on Earth.”
Very goood – yes, we all “inhabit” the EARTH – - I have an allegiance to the United States of America (which is not as arbitray as you might think.) Perhaps you do not.
Pssst…credible source? Bill Moyers???? What a laugh!!! He’s been cheering for Amerca’s enemies for the last 40 years…..
And I’m sure as TP has not noted ONE Prog in the Hooker-gate scandal that no Dems or Progs were involved…..Now maybe if they could figure out a way to tax it……
Thanks but I don’t need any new shoes – is that your cloying attempt to seem feminine? It’s a nice start!!
April 29th, 2007 at 3:39 pmApparently MA believes everyone is as ill-informed and sheep-like as she is.
Comment by Zooey — April 29, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
Ill-informed and “short-memoried”
Now, all of the sudden, she forgets that the UN was the target of smears and insults by her Dear (mis)Leader and his cronies, along with the US’ European allies who refused to fall for the tall tales.
These people truly have no shame whatsoever.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:40 pm“Don’t get mad at us because you were duped; it’s your fault you are such a stupid, blind, brain-dead Bush cult follower. ”
Ding ding ding ding!
Clearly the information was there if you wanted to see it. And most people did not. Didn’t even try…
“Try learning from your mistakes, for a change.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — April 29, 2007 @ 3:23 pm”
Yeah… Now that’s hilarious!
April 29th, 2007 at 3:40 pm“And, if hell exists, the devil can hardly wait for this crop of “Christian neocon†hypocrits to arrive.
Comment by Merlin — April 29, 2007 @ 3:24 pm”
It doesn’t, therefore we need to bring justice here through Impeachment.
The problem isn’t anger – it’s using racial and gender epithets. There’s a difference. And like it or not, the second form isn’t credible. We’re angry as well. Call her stupid for chosing stupidity, not for incidentally being a woman….
April 29th, 2007 at 3:44 pm#52 Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
“…the newly anti-Iraq war Dems are hoping to win the “blowing in the wind†contest of public opinion.
Happy Sunday to you!”
Well, Hi sweetie,
Welcome aboard! Being a bit snide this afternoon, are we? The trolls must have been really worked up in the locker room this morning.
Good you recognize that the “contest of public opinion” is where it is at. Many don’t!
You do know you are reaching beyond your grasp with the above remark don’t you? That you have lost in that most important arena? I think you do, but hey, they pay you well.
So you are thrashing and flailing about trying to find a way back to the neocon fantasy you work for. Too bad! It is a shame to see a great mind like yours lost to the “devil.” Soul selling is rampant these days. You know, 30 pieces of silver and all.
Have you thought much about what will happen at the “end time?” Of course you have. The question you should be asking is who is the antichrist and are you following the right “god.”
Frightening isn’t it?
Toodles.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:48 pmI was reading the reports from Han Blix, Scott Ritter, and I sought out Knight-Ridder’s reports among those from the WaPo and the NYT. I happened to be home the day Powell went to the UN.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:49 pmFrom that day forward my skepticism became total unbelief.
Bush was going forward (incredibly) based upon what even a middle-American like myself was not finding believable. And there were tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of us who wrote, protested, and pleaded with legislators to think again, and demand more evidence.
So what’s Condi Rice’s excuse? Tenet said “slam dunk?” The word of the neocons in the administration who never saw a war they didn’t like and never fought?
I am sorry, I hold it against all who voted for this war that they did not do their due diligence. I know the White House threw up obstacles in their path, but they should have held off until they were absolutely certain before giving the warmonger authority to use force if necessary.
That was like giving a butane lighter to an arsonist.
another great screen shot…
April 29th, 2007 at 3:51 pmi notice her hair is becoming more frazzled since face the nation…
condi’s having a busy day! … it’s hard work…
…
Merlin at #60
“What better way to express the pain and hurt we feel at the death and maining of our finest, for deceptive and political reasons? This open forum helps us grieve our loss of so many things Bushco has brought about. So, while I agree that their may be a better way to express grief, I won’t criticize the expressions made by others, as strong or as revengeful as they may sound. We all grieve in our own way and in our own time.”
The question isn’t one of limiting the expression of anger or grief. Use all the swear words you want, any hyperbole, but when the expression of grief creates new, unintended victims, it is no longer possible to justify grieving “in our own way and in our own time.” Healthy grieving does not spawn more grief.
Attacking Ann Coulter by attacking transvestities,transexuals or women; attacking Lynne Cheney or Condi Rice by attacking lesbians or gays or women; attacking Mark Foley by attacking gays; attacking Michelle Malkin by attacking Fillipinas or immigrants and their ‘anchor babies’.
Any reader of the bogs is familiar with these expressions of what you might call grief and anger. They are, however, simultaneous expressions of both grief and anger as well as racism and sexism. Grief and anger doesn’t provide a free pass to insult whole groups of people.
Consider the road rage model:
As I have often pointed out, when a dangerous driver cuts me off, and I yell, “Screw off, asshole,” it is anger. When a driver of another sex or race cuts me off, and I yell…well, you can imagine…it’s a sign of biases deeper than my disgust for bad road manners.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:54 pmAfter 15 years of bombing Iraq-having killed over 2 million Iraqis-anyone who still believes anything the Bush administration says-deserves the consequences of such a idiotic liar and murderer.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:54 pmVladiant Venus, it’s painfully obvious that you are not loyal to the USA. You seem to owe allegiance only to the Rightwing of the Republican Party –and probably only to it in Red States.
If you are unable to read the US Constitution without thinking that it really only applies to WASPs with property, or that the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights is for them and not us, then I don’t think you can claim to be a loyal American at all. You’re just an opportunist who would betray the Stars & Stripes in a second if it meant rewards of power & wealth.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:55 pm“I have an allegiance to the United States of America (which is not as arbitray as you might think.) Perhaps you do not.”
I have an allegiance to the facts. Definitely you do not. You prefer things that shine…
“Pssst…credible source? Bill Moyers???? What a laugh!!! He’s been cheering for Amerca’s enemies for the last 40 years…..”
Prove that claim. He wasn’t the source – his interviewees are. Not that I expect you to understand that. I have come to never expect you to understand anything thatrequires critical thinking skills.
I also posted information from Scott Ritter. You wanna slam him too? Since, after all, you can’t argue the facts, there’s nothing left but ad hominems and lies…
“And I’m sure as TP has not noted ONE Prog in the Hooker-gate scandal that no Dems or Progs were involved…..Now maybe if they could figure out a way to tax it……”
Most of us said that it would be a large majority of Rebugs. But you choose what one liberal says in jest, and use it to paint the whole of us. This is precisely why you have ZERO credibility. The only reason we respond to you, freak who jokes about dead children, is for the sake of those who read the comments in an attempt to decide for themselves from the facts. Your nonsense gives us a platform for debunking the right-wing propaganda.
“Thanks but I don’t need any new shoes – is that your cloying attempt to seem feminine? It’s a nice start!!
Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 3:39 pm”
No, it was an attempt to compare you to people like Imelda Marcos…
Besides, only you need to ’seem’ feminine. I just am. Comes from having been born with two X Chromosomes.
April 29th, 2007 at 3:59 pmCondi,
Instead of LYING on Sunday (the LORD’S day) talk shows,
you better go in front of Waxman’s committee and start telling the TRUTH.
Otherwise, you will end up with ME and our new MASTER
SATAN.
The choice is YOURS, Condi. Better SAVE YOUR SOUL, otherwise
See you in hell Condi (cause I’LL be THERE),
April 29th, 2007 at 4:01 pmMr. Bush
MURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
COWARDLY TRAITOR TO THE USA (TM–BushCrimeCo)
“That was like giving a butane lighter to an arsonist.
Comment by Marie — April 29, 2007 @ 3:49 pm”
Excellent post…
I read that the 100,000’s of war protestors in DC were essentially ignored by the media. Any articles of dissent went to the third or fourth pages, and were kept brief. No MSM outlet aired Ted Kennedy’s amazing speech of Skepticism. Accounts from journalists who went with teeh UN inspectors weren’t carried. And anyone who questioned the war was targetted. Look at poor Phil Donahue and Mike Wallace…
April 29th, 2007 at 4:05 pm#58 Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
“I suppose you refuse to acknowledge the news about the latest sex-scandal corruption in your party, yet again…”
You are refering to Condi’s deputy…Right?
Thanks for bringing that up, sweetie. You are just soooo informed.
Please don’t ever change! We need your head hanging from the gym ceiling to use as a punching bag.
You know the sound…and the feeling…
Blapity, blippity, blap.
April 29th, 2007 at 4:06 pmWhatever devastating mistakes Condi Rice has made, they have to do with her incurious, uninformed, inflexible or ideological approach to her job…
Comment by Freaked-Out Canadian — April 29, 2007 @ 2:51 pm
Of course these things are true of Condi, but my point is that she is deeply emotionally involved with Bush, in a romantic fantasy way. Remember, this is the person who referred to Bush as “my husband” during a press conference, and who spends much of her free time with the Bush family at their private retreats. Her behavior very much that of a girlfriend who blindly defends her drug-dealer thug boyfriend, even to the point of being sent to prison for it. I would hardly deem this behavior irrelevant to Condi’s on the job problems. To the contrary I believe it is instrumental to understanding here behavior.
As for whether this or that Canadian politician is gay or not, I am uninformed.
April 29th, 2007 at 4:08 pmsorry about those typos…
April 29th, 2007 at 4:09 pm#59 – “Valiant, do you really believe that Dems have no “core values?†Come on. There you are folks. A common conservative cannard — over half of the citizens of the U.S. have no core values…..” Comment by Bluedog49
Most old time Dems had a love of our country – granted they got caught up in the socialistic aspects of the labour movement (which in the 20’s and 30’s was understandable due to widespread mistreatment of employees by business.) However, I have NO DOUBT that FDR, Harry Truman and JFK LOVED our country with fervor. Too many contemporary Democrats/Progressives – that is not to say ALL – seem to despise the US, her culture and enduring traditions.
I think the self-loathing group HAVE no core principles. They claim to care about the environment and hypocritically buy carbon offsets and oppose nuclear power. They claim to care about the most defenseless in a society and promote abortion without limits. They claim to love “free-speech” until they are offended by those they disagree with. They love crime victims and make excuses for criminals.
That said, I have VERY nice Dem/Prog friends and colleagues. (I realize I am their “token” conservative friend.) I enjoy having coffee with them at the latest trendy bohemian coffee place of their choice. I wouldn’t trust a ONE of them with our tax code or defense policy – but I broke that part to them gently…….
In conclusion, you are incorrect that I think half the country has not core values….I would estimate Progs and leftwing activist types account for 15 – 17% of the population – so that is closer to the number I would estimate who have NO core values.
April 29th, 2007 at 4:09 pmMarie – I commented on your post, but it seems the spam filter doesn’t like compliments…
Oh well… I should get going anyway.
Nice conversation with those of you who think.
April 29th, 2007 at 4:11 pmThe Republican definition of patriotism: Buying heels at full price.
April 29th, 2007 at 4:14 pm#70 – Grgrrr- I think you’re mistaken – Unbe loves and defends the UN. Go back and read what you are responding to – I make NO defense of the UN – IF anything, that is one EXPENSIVE “bridge to nowhere”.
April 29th, 2007 at 4:17 pmDavid – Thank you for taking you so seriously – I’m no WASP but thank you for jumping to your poorly informed conclusion – you certainly make Progs proud!! You go worship at the altar of the UN….I’ll pass.
Pssst……This site is FUN for me…so please forgive me if I don’t take you as seriously as you would like.
April 29th, 2007 at 4:21 pm#80 Comment by VerbalKint — April 29, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
Your comment that begins and ends:
“Remember, this is the person who referred to Bush as “my husband and goes on till “I would hardly deem this behavior irrelevant to Condi’s on the job problems. To the contrary I believe it is instrumental to understanding her behavior.”
Spot on! Well said.
We must evaluate these people from an emotional point of view. Their every action is based around that. EMOTIONS RULE
Thanks for making that clear.
Pssst… Venus sweetie. That goes for you too. Tee Hee. Look out, we’re watching you!
April 29th, 2007 at 4:21 pmunbelievable at #67
Your map task is wonderful. I wonder how many of them know what happened in Iran in 1953 and who was responsible for ending the experiment in parliamentary democracy there? Or what the USS Vincennes did for Saddam Hussein back when he was Rumsfeld’s buddy and America’s client.
To my mind, this is the kind of context that the press should be providing. If American wants to play such a dominant role in the affairs of other countries, and if, as a democracy, its citizens are going to logically be held to account for the actions of its government, then it is essential that average American voters know world history – including an unjaundiced look at their own role in world affairs.
Otherwise, Americans will be perpetually surprised, like wide-eyed pollyannas, by the protests, the insurgencies, and the terrorist actions.
And they will resort to facile responses like “they hate us for our way of life” or “they are evildoers” or “I don’t have any respect by and large for the Iraqi people at all. I have no respect for them. I think that they’re a prehistoric group.”
“Know your enemy” is not a bad dictum in times of war, and pretty useful in times of peace. I don’t recall having ever heard,”Stay ignorant of your enemy, but call them nasty names.”
Anyway, unbelievable, keep up the good fight with your youngsters. And speaking of young folks, here’s a semi-off-topic link to Peter, Bjorn & John to keep your Sunday musical. Now, I’m off to take in the sunshine.
April 29th, 2007 at 4:22 pmUnbe – along with you self-professed allegiance to “the facts”. do you have allegiance to the UNITED STATES? This isn’t a complicated question.
April 29th, 2007 at 4:23 pmvaliant venus
Actually he wasn’t commenting on that. He was commenting on how short a memory you seem to have, as to just what those inspectors for the UN said.
Of course, what he doesn’t realise is that your lack of a negative reaction to what Ms Rice said (You know, the actual topic of the thread) is due to the fact that you actually like being lied to.
April 29th, 2007 at 4:24 pmBluePUP – I posted a reply to your question about Progs lacking core values: I’ll see if this makes it through the disagreeable uber-filters before I re-count …
April 29th, 2007 at 4:28 pmvaliant venus
If the facts show that the USA is wrong: The USA must change accordingly in order to better benefit from reality, rather then act on fantasies born of wishful thinking.
Otherwise you are advocating acting in a manner which will ultimately be detrimental to the USA as the facts come to light and the consequences of actions taken under false data become clear.
That you have no allegiance to the concept of truth is simply due to the fact that you ultimately have no loyalty to the USA. You only have an allegiance to some alien concept of winning, in a situation where winning is aside from the point.
April 29th, 2007 at 4:36 pm# 85 Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
“Pssst……This site is FUN for me…so please forgive me if I don’t take you as seriously as you would like.”
Glad to know that sweetie. At least we agree on that. Thats how I feel exactly! Watching your head bang around like that really is fun. Your statements meant to arouse, simply allow us to grieve openly for the tragedy “your side” has perpetrated.
So thanks for helping us to do that!
Heeeey, just who’s side are you on anyway? You could be one of us in anonymity, helping us to grieve! Does the NRC know about this? A double agent. WOW! Now that’s a thought.
Regarding:
“Pssst……This site is FUN”
Thanks for noticing that. How many other sites do you post on, and what names do you use? I’d love to watch you get blappity blapped anywhere I can.
April 29th, 2007 at 4:37 pmUnbe – along with you self-professed allegiance to “the factsâ€. do you have allegiance to the UNITED STATES? This isn’t a complicated question.
Comment by valiant venus
Watch the evangelicals in this ..
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=881321004838285177&q=The+Power+of+Nightmares+Part+1&hl=en
This is one of the reasons the evangelicals fell out of my favor and I turned against them… they always seem to hate America.
The evangelicals hold more allegiance to Israel than America. To their own religious leaders than to the U.S. Constitution.
April 29th, 2007 at 4:49 pmNOWHERE did the UN weapons inspectors say Saddam did not have WMD as you falsely claim here: “In fact, U.N. weapons inspectors declared weeks before the invasion that Hussein did not possess WMD.
April 29th, 2007 at 4:49 pmNOWHERE did the inspectors say Saddam did not have WMD as you falsely claim here: “In fact, U.N. weapons inspectors declared weeks before the invasion that Hussein did not possess WMD. “
April 29th, 2007 at 4:51 pmComment by LibSlayer
The weapons inspectors appeared on TV before the attack on Iraq and clearly said that there was no more evidence of Saddams weapons after their searches than before… and as the neocons like to do over and over… say that LACK of evidence IS evidence that something even more sinister is going on…
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=881321004838285177&q=The+Power+of+Nightmares+Part+1&hl=en
April 29th, 2007 at 4:54 pmComment by Gerald Gibson Jr
Which says NOTHING about whether or not there were WMD. There were over 10,000 sites, they only looked at 125.
You are a blind fool.
April 29th, 2007 at 4:57 pmGod this woman needs to go.
April 29th, 2007 at 4:58 pmComment by Karim
RACIST!!!!
April 29th, 2007 at 4:59 pmBesides, only you need to ’seem’ feminine. I just am. Comes from having been born with two X Chromosomes.
Comment by unbelievable — April 29, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
There’s a reason MA’s MySpace page says she is like Ann Coulter… both fake women? It’s kind of hard to tell by her pictures as she is so emaciated there aren’t any female characteristics left visible.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:05 pmRACIST!!!!
Comment by LibSlayer
Quit hyperventilating.
Are you breathing normally?
Good.
Now, piss off.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:07 pmComment by LibSlayer — April 29, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Moron with no ability to use logic. There were no WMD…the apologists, like you are fools. Nothing this administration has said has been true. Facts are facts.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:08 pmComment by LibSlayer
Really? And what are you thoughts on God? Faith?
You have ANY evidence? Oh I see… I am supposed to be a crazy neocon and just make up shit or believe other people who make up shit… no thanks.
Wheres Osama? Why did the neocons make secret deals with the dictator of Pakistan? Why did the republicans surrender to the SAUDIS on 9/12 over a cigar?
April 29th, 2007 at 5:08 pmToday on ABC’s “This Week”, Condi said something in passing that caught my attention:
President Bush “was concerned about Iraq from almost his first day in office”.
The Bush team has repeatedly insisted they were not preparing to invade Iraq before 9/11, but Paul O’Neill and Richard Clarke have said otherwise. And with Rice now conceding Iraq was on Bush’s radar “from his first day in office”, to me, it adds further credibility to those earlier accusations.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:09 pmLibSlayer – I really hope you you keep one hand tied behind your back and your blindfold firmly affixed – otherwise, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel (sorry for offending the anti-gun crowd)…but they ARE funny!
April 29th, 2007 at 5:09 pmWell, LibSlayer, this is technically not true. The weapons inspectors said there was no evidence Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. They knew what had existed previously and they knew there was very little evidence that these had been augmented or replaced. They did state that they had found nothing new or dangerous prior to the invasion. And that all leads offered by the US had proven fruitless. And the inspectors were pleased that the Iraqis were cooperating and hoped the UN would keep up the pressure on Saddam so they could finish their inspections without hindrance.
Part of the problem, however, was the presumption of guilt promoted by the Bush administration. It’s more difficult to prove one’s innocence than it is for others to prove one’s guilt. And the inspectors were being badgered by the US and urged to find the “smoking guns”. They did not. Listen to Blix carefully and you’ll hear him diplomatically telling the US that, although Iraq falls short of proving their innocence, there is NO EVIDENCE OF WMD. Blix was in no hurry, but Bush was. The so-called patient president didn’t want Saddam to be found Not Guilty. He had to attack or the game would be up. He talk about ‘weeks not months’ because he knew Saddam had no WMD. It was all a lie.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:10 pmSkeda – Since I don’t have a page on MY Space, you might be confused. But you seem to confuse easily…
April 29th, 2007 at 5:12 pmGerald – You must be be completely pi$$ed that Bill Cllnton did not kill Osama when he had the chance!! Your anger would be justified if you could muster any.)
April 29th, 2007 at 5:14 pmGerald – You must be be completely pi$$ed that Bill Cllnton did not kill Osama when he had the chance!! Your anger would be justified if you could muster any.)
Comment by valiant venus
I was happy he tried. What I was pissed about was the attempted coup by the republicans over a BJ… and the U.S.S. Cole being completely ignored by the republicans of all people… I remember telling my wife when Bush got into office and she said something bad is going to happen to AMerica now… I said, “Well at least you know that the people behind the Cole are about to get theirs.” … which never happened…
April 29th, 2007 at 5:16 pmI don’t understand. Since when were women a race?
And it’s true that the Christian Right are unpatriotic. They don’t defend the Constitution or the Republic for which it stands. They favor the creation of a Greater Israel that will trigger the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. They’re going to Heaven and California can burn for all they care.
And the Olmert and his cabinet don’t mind at all. They don’t buy the Second Coming nonsense, but they do have a Messianic complex that calls for a restoration of Israel to its historic glory.
It’s insane that we have people using the Holy Bible as their foreign policy briefing book. It may well really end in the Apocalypse.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:17 pmComment by kasinca
Yes there were WMD, we have found it, we found WMD labs and we had Iraqi scientists testify that they were making it right up to the invasion.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:22 pmGerald Gibson Jr
I am atheist.
As for my evidence, read Kay’s testimony to Congress and Deulfer’s report.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:23 pmGerald – You must be be completely pi$$ed that Bill Cllnton did not kill Osama when he had the chance!! Your anger would be justified if you could muster any.)
Comment by valiant venus —
Remember “wag the dog?” Republicans at the time objected to any military undertaking by Clinton.
Pathetic try, cranky.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:25 pmComment by david
“The weapons inspectors said there was no evidence Saddam had weapons of mass destruction”
What they said is that they FOUIND no evidence. Take a class in logic. Just because something isn’t found does not PROVE that it doesn’t exist.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:25 pmYes there were WMD, we have found it, we found WMD labs and we had Iraqi scientists testify that they were making it right up to the invasion.
Comment by LibSlayer
What, no links? Predictable.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:26 pmComment by Mugsy
“The Bush team has repeatedly insisted they were not preparing to invade Iraq before 9/11, but Paul O’Neill and Richard Clarke have said otherwise.”
That is a LIE, they said Bush was working on REGIME CHANGE which was the stated policy of the US since clinton signed it in 1998.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:27 pmComment by Gerald Gibson Jr
“I was happy he tried” He DIDN’T try, clinton had OBL in his SIGHTS, not once but TWICE and refused to pull the trigger.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:29 pmComment by barfly
Remember “wag the dog?†Republicans at the time objected to any military undertaking by Clinton.
You mean when clinton spent MILLIONS to blow up some empty tents?
April 29th, 2007 at 5:30 pmHe DIDN’T try, clinton had OBL in his SIGHTS, not once but TWICE and refused to pull the trigger.
Comment by LibSlayer
And Reagan sold weapons to the same terrorists who held americans hostage. What has your comment have to do with the thread?
April 29th, 2007 at 5:32 pmLibSlayer – Re 114 – WTF???? What logic class did you take – is our kids learning??
Maybe you should review some facts, then apply your logic . . .
See/read CNN’s Miles O’Brians interview with weapons inspector Scott Ritter http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/09/08/ritter.cnna/index.html – or review your own Mr Powells comments on his UN BS.
Condi is a lier AND incompetant . . . a perfect match for this Republican Cabal.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:33 pmComment by LibSlayer
Kay who?
Though keep in mind there is already a mountain of evidence against you so anything I read will be weighed against this mountain.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:34 pmYou mean when clinton spent MILLIONS to blow up some empty tents?
Comment by LibSlayer
Which shows you’re a liar. You previously claimed he did nothing. Now you say he did something. Which is it?
April 29th, 2007 at 5:36 pm#116 Comment by LibSlayer — April 29, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
“That is a LIE, they said Bush was working on REGIME CHANGE which was the stated policy of the US since clinton signed it in 1998.”
Since you seem to know so much, how was this “REGIME CHANGE” going to happen?
I eagerly await your enlightening response!
April 29th, 2007 at 5:37 pmComment by barfly
Here are my links
Saddam, angered by sanctions, inspections, and the Desert Fox attacks, unilaterally abrogated Iraq’s compliance with all UN resolutions—including the 1991 Gulf war ceasefire.
ttp://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/chap1.html
Deulfer Report:
The security services operated a series of laboratories in the Baghdad area. Iraq should have declared these facilities and their equipment to the UN, but they did not
http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/chap6.html
Deulfer Report:
As of March 2003, ricin was being developed into stable liquid to deliver as an aerosol in small rockets, cluster bombs, and smoke generators, according to Dr. Al Azmirli.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/chap6.html
Deulfer Report:
ISG investigated a laboratory at the Al ‘Abud Trading Complex, Baghdad. Evidence of ricin was found in samples collected, both by field analysis and at ISG laboratory assays.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/chap6.html
DR KAY’S TESTIMONY ABOUT WHAT HE HAS ACTUALLY FOUND IN IRAQ:
April 29th, 2007 at 5:37 pmAll of this suggests Iraq after 1996 further compartmentalized
its program and focused on maintaining smaller, covert
capabilities that could be activated quickly to surge the production of BW agents.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/speeches/2003/david_kay_10022003.html
- actual ongoing chemical and biological research programs;
- an active program to use the deadly chemical ricin as a weapon, a program that was interrupted only by the start of the war in March;
- evidence of Saddam Hussein’s intent to pursue WMD programs on a large scale;
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0401/28/se.02.html
- a clandestine network of labs and safe houses run by Iraqi intelligence,
- documents showing that Iraq had sought to buy missiles from North Korea.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/speeches/2003/david_kay_10022003.html
- New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF),
- continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin were not declared to the UN.
http://www.caci.com/homeland_security/kay_10-2.shtml
Yes there were WMD, we have found it, we found WMD labs and we had Iraqi scientists testify that they were making it right up to the invasion.
Comment by LibSlayer
That would be so huge that the news whores would be talkin that 24/7… THAT is the progressives worst nightmare… that the bushies would actually find something serious and then they would never shutup about it… that or to find out Bush had Osama the whole time and poped him out just before the 2006 elections…
April 29th, 2007 at 5:38 pmBluePup – Re: Lib/Progs lack core values: Old time Democrats and some contemporary ones love their country. Their absorption by the labour movement is understandable considering the lack of labour laws to protect employees during the 20’s 30’s etc.
The last great defense minded Dem President was JFK and he followed honourable Dem giants FDR and Harry Truman.
But my contention of “no core values” refer to Dems and Progs who supported the war when it was POPULAR….when the going got tough, Progressives predictably bailed. Leftist elitists despise religipn….and are trying to figure out a way to sell their religiosity to middle America. They promote themselves as defenders of “free speech” – unless they disagree with the message. Always ready to support the defenseless…Progs promote on-demand abortion without limitation. Libs pride themselves in their empathy for the crime vitim and make excuses for the criminal. Progressives are champions of the environment – but hypocritically purchase carbon offsets and oppose nuclear energy.
Are there hypocrites on both sides of the fence? Absolutely. But what is particularly sad about Progs is the way they are ALWAYS willing to believe the WORST case scenario about the US. Is the US pefect? Because it’s designed and run by humans – not a chance. My chief complaint – the bloated, overfed bureaucracy, the bloat of tax law and the erosion of personal responsibility.
But I continue to believe in the underlying goodness of our country. I believe that we are MOST fortunate to have people from every nation on earth contributing to our culture and gene pool. I believe we are blessed with unusual abundance because we defend our allies, reward hard work and fresh ideas, and encourage those who fail not to give up.
Happy Sunday!
April 29th, 2007 at 5:38 pmKay who?
David Cay, who said just the opposite of what Libslayer stated.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:38 pm“Comment by JessWonderin
Sorry the evidence we found AFTER the invasion proves Ritter was an idiot.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:38 pmGerald Gibson Jr
David Kay, and ALL the evidence backs me up.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:39 pmBarfy – please don’t confuse LibSlayer with facts, he/she can barely understand “logic”
Excuse the typo in my post: “Condi is a liar”
April 29th, 2007 at 5:39 pmJust because something isn’t found does not PROVE that it doesn’t exist.
Comment by LibSlayer
Ummm… a REASONABLE person doesnt require that things DONT exist… they require from other people to prove that things DO exist.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:40 pmComment by barfly
“Which shows you’re a liar. You previously claimed he did nothing”
He DIDN’T do anything against OBL.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:40 pmLieLayer, what kind of convoluted logic do you use to say that “found no evidence” is not the same “no evidence”. Get a dictionary, Libslain. You cannot convict based on the ‘evidence’ of evidence not in evidence. Whoa! I like to visit the lunatic asylum where your logic professor was confined.
And don’t make up evidence that not even the White House will endorse. It just puts you in the company of the great liars of the 20th Century: Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini.
Libslain, go buy some godless shoes and dream of the rapture.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:40 pm“Comment by Merlin ”
The SAME way clinton was trying to do it as it was he who stated the goal.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:41 pmDavid Kay, and ALL the evidence backs me up.
Comment by LibSlayer
Wrong. Post the parts of his testimony that back you up.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:41 pmBarfy – We’re you at the candidate love fest? It’s fun to listen to public educator/activists gush about their favourite candidate! I believe Libslayer was speaking about the offer to hand Osama over – which Mr. Bill declined…..(Pssst….that’s doing nothing.)
Tooodles……….
April 29th, 2007 at 5:41 pmHe DIDN’T try, clinton had OBL in his SIGHTS, not once but TWICE and refused to pull the trigger.
Comment by LibSlayer
What about all those cruise missles we all heard about? What about that elaborate war like plan that was handed off to the incoming administration that SHOULD have been taken seriously as a matter of professionalism?
April 29th, 2007 at 5:42 pmDR KAY’S TESTIMONY ABOUT WHAT HE HAS ACTUALLY FOUND IN IRAQ:
April 29th, 2007 at 5:42 pmAll of this suggests Iraq after 1996 further compartmentalized
its program and focused on maintaining smaller, covert
capabilities that could be activated quickly to surge the production of BW agents.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/speeches/2003/david_kay_10022003.html
- actual ongoing chemical and biological research programs;
- an active program to use the deadly chemical ricin as a weapon, a program that was interrupted only by the start of the war in March;
- evidence of Saddam Hussein’s intent to pursue WMD programs on a large scale;
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0401/28/se.02.html
- a clandestine network of labs and safe houses run by Iraqi intelligence,
- documents showing that Iraq had sought to buy missiles from North Korea.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/speeches/2003/david_kay_10022003.html
- New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF),
- continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin were not declared to the UN.
http://www.caci.com/homeland_security/kay_10-2.shtml
Comment by JessWonderin
How ever you spell it, Condi IS a liar.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:42 pm“Gerald Gibson Jr
David Kay, and ALL the evidence backs me up.
”
WRONG
David Kay – testimony to Congress
Jan 28, 2004
“It was a country that had the capability in weapons of mass destruction areas and in which terrorists, like ants to honey, were going after it.
”
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?r108:S28JA4-0018:
David Kay, Jan 2004: “In the marketplace of terrorism and of WMD, Iraq well could have been that supplier if the war had not intervened”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4066462/
David Kay
Iraq May Have Been ‘Far More Dangerous’ Than Believed, Kay Tells Senators
Jan. 29, 2004
http://www.dod.gov/news/Jan2004/n01292004_200401295.html
April 29th, 2007 at 5:43 pmDavid Kay – testimony to Congress
Jan 28, 2004
“It was a country that had the capability in weapons of mass destruction areas and in which terrorists, like ants to honey, were going after it.
”
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?r108:S28JA4-0018:
David Kay, Jan 2004: “In the marketplace of terrorism and of WMD, Iraq well could have been that supplier if the war had not intervened”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4066462/
David Kay
Iraq May Have Been ‘Far More Dangerous’ Than Believed, Kay Tells Senators
Jan. 29, 2004
http://www.dod.gov/news/Jan2004/n01292004_200401295.html
April 29th, 2007 at 5:45 pm“What I was pissed about was the attempted coup by the republicans over a BJ…”
Gerald – Put the talking points down. The BJ was not the trigger Clinton pulled. During a sexual harassment deposition, he lied about prior bad (illegal) acts. (I thought Dems were defenders of women in the workplace from having to put up with such boorish behaviour – I must have been mistaken!)
“and the U.S.S. Cole being completely ignored by the republicans of all people…”
Bill Clinton’s response to the Cole was??? Refresh my memory…..
Your wife sounds a little paranoid – poor thing!!
April 29th, 2007 at 5:48 pmComment by LibSlayer
First link doesn’t work
Second link is to an interview with John Warner, not David Kay.
Third link doesn’t work
Last link:
It is far too early to reach any definitive conclusions and, in some areas, we may never reach that goal. The unique nature of this opportunity, however, requires that we take great care to ensure that the conclusions we draw reflect the truth to the maximum extent possible given the conditions in post-conflict Iraq.
We have not yet found stocks of weapons, but we are not yet at the point where we can say definitively either that such weapon stocks do not exist or that they existed before the war and our only task is to find where they have gone.
Did you even bother to check before posting? What a “libslayer” – I’m laughing myself to death!
April 29th, 2007 at 5:49 pmThe quote above “head of the IAEA, Mohamed El-Baradei, reported that there was no evidence that Saddam Hussein had any nuclear weapons or was in the process of acquiring them” is very misleading. WMD did not equate to nuclear weapons but included bio-chemical ones. Iraq Study Group Inspector after the war inspection found that Iraq did have an active WMD program, he was seeking to revive his nuclear capabilities, and Iraq did have a nuclear plant. Rice was correct–the intelligence community was wrong about stockpiles and extent of Iraq WMD. It seem head hunter of Bushites are blinded by their narrow views.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:50 pmFrom another of “libslayer” links:
David Kay, who resigned last week as the chief U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq, now says he didn’t find stockpiles of WMD — or evidence of a nuclear program well under way in Saddam Hussein’s Iraq — and he blames it on a greatly flawed intelligence system and analysis.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:52 pmLibSlayer
Are you referring to David Kays testimony before the Senate?
“It turns out that we were all wrong, probably in my judgment, and that is most disturbing” – David Kay Jan 28, 2004 Senate Testimomy.
Impress me, link to PROOF they had weapons – or did they load everthing up on trucks and drive to Syria accross Kurdish/American controlled territory under the US Air Force patrolled no fly/drive zone . . . and how could a country with NO NUCLEAR reactor enrich the materials needed . . .
April 29th, 2007 at 5:52 pmIs this your definitive proof? I’m laughing my ass off!
April 29th, 2007 at 5:54 pm“First link doesn’t work
Second link is to an interview with John Warner, not David Kay.
Third link doesn’t work
”
ALL of them work, you are a liar and simply do not wish to deal with the facts.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:54 pmLibslain, are you insane? Perhaps you should join your logic professor in the lunatic asylum. I checked your references and Kay says he found no WMD, no nuclear stockpiles, and only the most rudimentary labs. And he called on the President to apologize for the mistake of thinking Iraq had WMD. Read Admit WMD mistake, survey chief tells Bush.
You must be smoking the new marijuana 2.0, because you’re high as a kite.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:56 pmAre there hypocrites on both sides of the fence? Absolutely. But what is particularly sad about Progs is the way they are ALWAYS willing to believe the WORST case scenario about the US. Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
Says the hypocritical st*pid c*nt, ALWAYS willing to believe the WORST case scenario about the US, when liberal values and liberal ideas are discussed. Like your little PSYCHO rant about how the US was F*CKED up in the 60s by LIBERALS and AMERICANS!
You’re a crazy lunatic, you anorexic psycho b*tch.
Is the US pefect? Because it’s designed and run by humans – not a chance. Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
Even less of a chance, when incompetent wingnut religious fanatics bent on terrorism, murder, and bombing abortion clinics and gay bars like you take over! St*pid psychotic c*nt!
My chief complaint – the bloated, overfed bureaucracy, the bloat of tax law and the erosion of personal responsibility. Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
BAHAHA, you complaining about erosion of personal responsibility, when you have none for yourself – you Anorexic c*nt – now that’s RICH!!! As for the bloated, overfed bureaucracy, lets see, which political party has been responsible for MOST of that? That would be YOURS – you hypocritical b*tch.
But I continue to believe in the underlying goodness of our country. Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
While preaching the values of its underlying evilness. The country has both, you exhibit the EVIL nature – you vile immoral c*nt.
I believe that we are MOST fortunate to have people from every nation on earth contributing to our culture and gene pool. Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
Unfortunately, you come from the same gene a cultural pool as Hitler – and it shows, you NAZI C*NT!
I believe we are blessed with unusual abundance because we defend our allies, reward hard work and fresh ideas, and encourage those who fail not to give up. Happy Sunday! Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
Please, what nationalistic, nazi propaganda sh*t. Americans are sick of your propaganda, and your HABIT of f*cking up the world, and this country. See the world, and we don’t hate THE US, we HATE YOU – you christo/judeo Fascist c*nt. But see, what’s SAD, is that you’re so egotistical and st*pid, you actually believe that YOU and YOUR HATEFUL VALUES represent the US! BAHAHA, PSYCHOTIC ST*PID B*TCH!!!
April 29th, 2007 at 5:56 pmALL of them work, you are a liar and simply do not wish to deal with the facts.
Comment by LibSlayer
Do the links this poor, misguided, creature provided work for anyone else?
April 29th, 2007 at 5:57 pmComment by JessWonderin
Jess, would you check his links? They don’t work for me.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:57 pmALL of them work, you are a liar and simply do not wish to deal with the facts. Comment by LibSlayer — April 29, 2007 @ 5:54 pm
BAHAHA, you spouting FACTS!!! You’ve been up Valiant Venus’ Uranus for tooooo long – loser child!
As for you wanting to SLAY liberals, where have I heard that before? Is your last name Cho by any chance? I’ve heard mental illness and desire to SLAY liberals might run in your family! Just like in Venus’ Austrian Nazi blood lines. Poor little sad st*pid *ssh*les!!!
April 29th, 2007 at 5:59 pmComment by david
Try reading this again:
David Kay, Jan 2004: “In the marketplace of terrorism and of WMD, Iraq well could have been that supplier if the war had not intervened”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4066462/
As for finding WMD:
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center’s commander said here today.
“These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes … they do constitute weapons of mass destruction,” Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee”
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jun2006/20060629_5547.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2006/06/iraq-060629-afps02.htm
April 29th, 2007 at 5:59 pmComment by david
Hey Libslayer, can you hook a brother up? Must be some killer g.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:00 pmComment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
VERY well said.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:01 pmLet’s get this jerk’s derriere sworn in and questioned now that we’re discovering that the pretext to this war was based on the smoke & mirrors of Bush/Cheney’s delusional world. Rice will not get out of this unscathed; in fact, I wouldn’t be shocked if it is shown that Rice has already perjured herself and will be prosecuted for perjury.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:01 pmOy, the trolls are decompensating.
Boo hoo….
April 29th, 2007 at 6:01 pmPoor st*pid libslayer can’t tell the difference between the *speculation* of administration officials, and the *facts*!! BAHAHA, no wonder these 30%ers seem like the dum best *ssh*les around! Poor little mentally deranged fools don’t even know what a FACT is!!!
April 29th, 2007 at 6:02 pmRice has not been Secretary of State; she’s been Bush’s butt wiper and date!
April 29th, 2007 at 6:02 pmDaniel, you’re wrong. ElBaradei mentions nuclear stockpiles and weapons because that was his field. Blix is the man for bio-chemical weapons. And he didn’t find any either. Not anything new, that is. They found the old stuff from the early 1990s where they’d left it years before. And he wasn’t terribly worried about them, because biological weapons have a short lifespan.
All this desperate posturing just proves that Iraq was not an imminent threat.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:03 pmbarfly,
None of the CIA links work — and they haven’t for quite a while. I wonder why the troll is still using them?
April 29th, 2007 at 6:03 pmAs for my evidence, read Kay’s testimony to Congress and Deulfer’s report.
Comment by LibSlayer
Were you talking about this following link? This sounds like to me that we didnt get squat. They were a war like country that was doing research on all kinds of weapons… and THAT is why we are where we are in Iraq today? Well hell we better arm ourselves to kill half the people on earth if that is our standard here in America…
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/02/kay.report/
April 29th, 2007 at 6:03 pmThese clowns have destroyed any semblance of a well-run government; in fact, they’ve destroyed it totally in 6 short years! Amazing that what has taken us 200 years to refine was totally destroyed by a group of gansters who stole their way into the white house and filled it with filth and corruption! Amazing! It would have been much better to elect the mafioso instead, as it turns out.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:04 pmComment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
“BAHAHA, you complaining about erosion of personal responsibility, when you have none for yourself – you Anorexic c*nt – now that’s RICH!!! As for the bloated, overfed bureaucracy, lets see, which political party has been responsible for MOST of that? That would be YOURS – you hypocritical b*tch.”
That would be the DEMOCRATS that have eroded our freedoms and created a bloated bureaucracy.l
April 29th, 2007 at 6:04 pm#19 Nice try, lone voice of reason! We all know who Condi’s beau really is, don’t we? But I have to give you one point for trying to deflect the issue before it got into full swing. However, (beep) thanks for playing! Just ask Laura who Condi’s boyfriend is! Hah!
April 29th, 2007 at 6:05 pmComment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
“Poor st*pid libslayer can’t tell the difference between the *speculation* of administration officials, and the *facts*!! ”
July 23, 2003
Clinton told King: “but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons.”
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/23/clinton.iraq.sotu/
April 29th, 2007 at 6:06 pmWith just a cursory glance, I can see that VV and Libslayer utilize the same style. Could one of them (or both) be the infamous Jake-off?
April 29th, 2007 at 6:07 pmBAHAHAHA, LibSlayer thinks *mustard-gas* makes Saddam so dangerous he’s worth invading!!!! BAHAHAHA what a st*pid little fool!!!
That 500 mustard gas shells, those are the same shells that a FOX NEWS report described in this fashion.
Yeah, UNUSABLE WMDS – BAHAHA, you’re a real *winner* aren’t you son?
April 29th, 2007 at 6:07 pmDavid – I know you enjoy relying on the omnipotence of the UN but did you check the 2002 National Security Estimate?
April 29th, 2007 at 6:08 pmThat would be the DEMOCRATS that have eroded our freedoms and created a bloated bureaucracy.l Comment by LibSlayer — April 29, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
BAHAHAHA, yeah, you MUST be a PARODY troll or the product of INCEST, because no one in their RIGHT MIND could be as ST*PID as you are!!! BAHAHAHAHAHA
April 29th, 2007 at 6:08 pmComment by veritas
“Amazing that what has taken us 200 years to refine was totally destroyed by a group of gansters who stole their way into the white house and filled it with filth and corruption! ”
No the DemoRATS destroyed it from the 1940’s to 1995.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:08 pmThat would be the DEMOCRATS that have eroded our freedoms and created a bloated bureaucracy.l
Comment by LibSlayer
Prove it.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:08 pm#148
Right on! F@ck Valient Venus the hypocritical, delusional, b!tch.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:09 pmLibSlayer: And where does the trillion plus dollar national debt fit into the subject of “bloated bureaucracy”?? Just wondering….also, what are you drinking? What’s in that kool-aid of yours? Scanning your comments makes me hysterical!
April 29th, 2007 at 6:09 pmFrom links provided:
Iraq May Have Been ‘Far More Dangerous’ Than Believed, Kay Tells Senators
By John D. Banusiewicz
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, Jan. 29, 2004 – The man who spent eight months leading the hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq told senators here Jan. 28 that although no such weapons have been found, he believes Iraq may have been “even more dangerous than we thought” before Saddam Hussein was removed from power.
David Kay, who stepped down last week as head of the Iraq Survey Group, appeared before the Senate Armed Services Committee.
Julian Borger in Washington
Wednesday March 3, 2004
The Guardian
David Kay, the man who led the CIA’s postwar effort to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, has called on the Bush administration to “come clean with the American people” and admit it was wrong about the existence of the weapons.
In an interview with the Guardian, Mr Kay said the administration’s reluctance to make that admission was delaying essential reforms of US intelligence agencies, and further undermining its credibility at home and abroad.
It looks like Libslayer’s authority had a change of heart in two short months. How that for definitive proof?
April 29th, 2007 at 6:09 pmOy, the trolls are decompensating.
Boo hoo….
Comment by Zooey — April 29, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
Don’t you mean DECOMPOSING? You know sh*t does that when you put it out there! ;)
April 29th, 2007 at 6:09 pmBill Clinton’s response to the Cole was??? Refresh my memory…..
Your wife sounds a little paranoid – poor thing!!
Comment by valiant venus
I do believe he had a war plan put together and then handed it to Bush…unless you are saying you wanted him to start a war right before leaving office? I am sure if Clinton stayed (if only) he would have bombed something and once again the republicans would have complained.
And my wife… she was right…
April 29th, 2007 at 6:09 pmVVGU – Funny how you can’t or won’t address my observations about LIBERALS? Have they changed your meds yet?
April 29th, 2007 at 6:09 pmComment by Gerald Gibson Jr
Were you talking about this following link? This sounds like to me that we didnt get squat. They were a war like country that was doing research on all kinds of weapons… and THAT is why we are where we are in Iraq today?
Yes, that was EXACTLY whe we invaded because they were REQUIRED to have NOTHING to do with that research.
Even your lord and savior agrees Bush did the right thing by invading.
2004
“(CNN) — Former President Clinton has revealed that he continues to support President Bush’s decision to go to war in Iraq but chastised the administration over the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison.”
That’s why I supported the Iraq thing. There was a lot of stuff unaccounted for,” Clinton said in reference to Iraq and the fact that U.N. weapons inspectors left the country in 1998.
“You couldn’t responsibly ignore [the possibility that] a tyrant had these stocks,” Clinton said.
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/index.html
April 29th, 2007 at 6:10 pmComment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
“That would be the DEMOCRATS that have eroded our freedoms and created a bloated bureaucracy.l Comment by LibSlayer — April 29, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
BAHAHAHA, yeah, you MUST be a PARODY troll or the product of INCEST, because no one in their RIGHT MIND could be as ST*PID as you are!!! BAHAHAHAHAHA”
It is the DemoRATS that have created all the social welfare programs that steal our freedoms, not the Republicans.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:11 pmDavid – I know you enjoy relying on the omnipotence of the UN but did you check the 2002 National Security Estimate? Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
St*pid c*nt, I know you enjoy relying on the omnipotence of King George’s men, but did you check the UN’s estimates on Iraq? Because guess what st*pid c*nt – the UN was RIGHT!!!!
You really should get treatment for the Anorexia, brain damage has set in, you poor st*pid little c*nt!
April 29th, 2007 at 6:11 pmNo the DemoRATS destroyed it from the 1940’s to 1995.
Comment by LibSlayer
Again — prove it.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:11 pmComment by barfly
“It looks like Libslayer’s authority had a change of heart in two short months. How that for definitive proof?”
Typical idiot lib, can’t read, NOWHERE in the second comment does Kay say Iraq wasn’t the threat for which we invaded.
Did you go to school to LEARN how to be this stupid?
April 29th, 2007 at 6:13 pmVVGU – Funny how you can’t or won’t address my observations about LIBERALS? Have they changed your meds yet? Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
How funny the b*llsh*t you post, you feel are YOUR observations of LIBERALS! You can find the same lunatic RANTINGS on any wingnut website. And there always as delusional, hypocritical and mentally deranged as your posts….
Besides, I’ve already *CORRECTED* your insane smears before, but like all those with r*t*rded intellects, you are UNTEACHABLE. Which explains why you hate TEACHERS so much, you sad, pathetic, st*pid little c*nt…
April 29th, 2007 at 6:13 pm“You couldn’t responsibly ignore [the possibility that] a tyrant had these stocks,†Clinton said.
Comment by LibSlayer
When did you wingnuts start using Bill Clinton as the voice of authority?
April 29th, 2007 at 6:14 pmAh, LibSlain, you poor deluded creature. You quoted from the very MSNBC article I did. How interesting to twist it the way you did.
Did you notice what he said? That Saddam was losing control. In other words, Saddam was not the threat, the fall of Saddam was the threat. And Kay then makes some political judgements he’s not really qualified to make and speculates. But he was perfectly honest when he said there was no nuke program and only the most rudimentary of bio-chemical research. Nothing we’d expect if we were looking for an imminent threat.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:15 pmComment by LibSlayer
Ready to admit your Kay Offense failed?
April 29th, 2007 at 6:15 pmValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
“Besides, I’ve already *CORRECTED”
You corrected NOTHING, only posted more liberal stupidity.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:15 pmComment by Daniel
What exactly are you saying? A country that does research on such weapons in its own borders is going to be attacked by America? WTF does any of “chemical or biological weapon research” have to do with 911? Quite frankly I dont care if Saddam still had some chemical and bio weapons left over from his war with Iran. Thats not a serious threat to us…
If you had no reason to believe that out of all the countries in the world that have a military and that make their own weapons… Iraq was THE one that we had to worry about because of terrorism… then WTF are we doing there instead of trying to solve the actual problem of this Al Qeada-ideology threat?
April 29th, 2007 at 6:15 pmComment by Zooey
“That would be the DEMOCRATS that have eroded our freedoms and created a bloated bureaucracy.l
Comment by LibSlayer
Prove it.”
You FORCE us to be in your pyramid retirement scheme that screws most of us over.
You FORCE us to pay for others welfare, medical, housing….
You STEAL our rights and make us slaves to the state.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:16 pmLibSlayer – I really hope you you keep one hand tied behind your back and your blindfold firmly affixed – otherwise, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel (sorry for offending the anti-gun crowd)…but they ARE funny!
Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
Oh look, Venereal Venom has a crush. Her looks on MySpace are so asexual that it doesn’t matter if LibSlayer is male or female. Hope you two hit it off. It could only improve vv’s disposition.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:17 pmTypical idiot lib, can’t read, NOWHERE in the second comment does Kay say Iraq wasn’t the threat for which we invaded.
How about this? From your link:
David Kay: Well, Tom, if we do that, I think we’re really hurting ourselves. Clearly, the intelligence that we went to war on was inaccurate, wrong. We need to understand why that was. I think if anyone was abused by the intelligence it was the president of the United States rather than the other way around.,/b>
Now, WHO’S an idiot?
April 29th, 2007 at 6:18 pmSince I don’t have a page on MY Space, you might be confused. But you seem to confuse easily…
Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
L I A R
April 29th, 2007 at 6:18 pmValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
“BAHAHAHA, LibSlayer thinks *mustard-gas* makes Saddam so dangerous he’s worth invading!!!! BAHAHAHA what a st*pid little fool!!!”
Typical idiot lib, it was SARIN gas and YES sarin IS a WMD.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:19 pmYou FORCE us to be in your pyramid retirement scheme that screws most of us over.
You FORCE us to pay for others welfare, medical, housing….
You STEAL our rights and make us slaves to the state.
Comment by LibSlayer
Your whining is not PROOF.
Try again.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:20 pmDo the links this poor, misguided, creature provided work for anyone else?
Comment by barfly
Most of them seem to be dead ends.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:20 pmComment by Zooey
“When did you wingnuts start using Bill Clinton as the voice of authority?”
When did you idiots stop?
April 29th, 2007 at 6:20 pmOh look, Venereal Venom has a crush. Her looks on MySpace are so asexual that it doesn’t matter if LibSlayer is male or female. Hope you two hit it off. It could only improve vv’s disposition.
Comment by Shane
Awww, what’s not to love about a scrawny, limp-haired skank, sitting at a video poker machine with a smoke?
Hot stuff….! :P
April 29th, 2007 at 6:21 pmYou must be be completely pi$$ed that Bill Cllnton did not kill Osama when he had the chance!! Your anger would be justified if you could muster any.)
Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
VV we know that this part of the reich wing Disney movie was a fabrication. That’s why we boycotted it. Of course if the Republicans in congress didn’t accuse Clinton of politics every time he took an action and they hadn’t wasted his time persecuting him for a sexual affair he probably would have killed Bin Laden. Of course he isn’t the President who’s such close friends with the family that he allowed 9/11 to happen and then helped the family out of the country.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:22 pmComment by veritas
“LibSlayer: And where does the trillion plus dollar national debt fit into the subject of “bloated bureaucracyâ€?? ”
EVERY cent of it is thanks to the demoRATS and their social welfare programs.
“Spending on these social programs was $1.3 trillion in 2005
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-03-13-federal-entitlements_x.htm
That is HALF the US budget.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:22 pmWhen did you idiots stop?
Comment by LibSlayer
Gosh LibStutterer, that’s not an answer to my question, is it?
You’re a pretty lame-assed troll, aren’t you?
April 29th, 2007 at 6:23 pmComment by LibSlayer
You still here? Post something else stupid; it’s a slow day, and I could use the comedy-relief.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:23 pmNo the DemoRATS destroyed it from the 1940’s to 1995.
Comment by LibSlayer
Ok now I see … you are one of those weirdos that hates individual freedom and wants everyone suppressed so they fill better about themselves and their pitiful lives.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:24 pmComment by david
“In the marketplace of terrorism and of WMD, Iraq well could have been that supplier if the war had not intervened.”
What the hell DON’T you get about that?
Collapsed society or not, terrorists can’t get WMD unless the Saddam regime is making them.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:24 pmComment by barfly
“Ready to admit your Kay Offense failed?”
It was successful.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:25 pmAh, LibSlain (or is it Valianthehater, again?), is a deluded libertarian:
Hey, sociopathic egotist, it’s called a democratic society. You don’t like it, move to Uruguay and join your fellow Nazis in hiding. No one is forcing you to be a citizen. Renounce it if you want, and go live free in the jungle where only the fittest survive.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:26 pmYou still here? Post something else stupid; it’s a slow day, and I could use the comedy-relief.
Comment by barfly
Oy, I just stopped in for a few minutes and I’m bored with this troll already. At least MA is good for a laugh.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:26 pmI see David Kay has been jettisoned. What next, Libby? Are you gonna start quoting Curveball?
April 29th, 2007 at 6:26 pmYes there were WMD, we have found it, we found WMD labs and we had Iraqi scientists testify that they were making it right up to the invasion.
Comment by LibSlayer — April 29, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
I swear…comments like this make me wonder sometimes if there isn’t a juxtiposition between two dimensions that meet from time to time, resulting in just these kinds of absolutely opposite versions of reality.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:27 pmComment by Gerald Gibson Jr
“Ok now I see … you are one of those weirdos that hates individual freedom and wants everyone suppressed so they fill better about themselves and their pitiful lives.”
You mean like the freedom to NOT be FORCED to be a part of your ponzi retirement scheme?
You mean like the freedom to NOT be FORCED to pay for others healthcare?
It is YOU who wants to steal our rights.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:28 pmCollapsed society or not, terrorists can’t get WMD unless the Saddam regime is making them.
Comment by LibSlayer
You’re serious, aren’t you?
Well, I must say that’s seriously hilarious!
April 29th, 2007 at 6:29 pmComment by david
“Hey, sociopathic egotist, it’s called a democratic society.”
No, it is called a liberal society where our rights are stolen from us.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:30 pmYes, that was EXACTLY whe we invaded because they were REQUIRED to have NOTHING to do with that research
Comment by LibSlayer
So when are we invading Israel?
Seriously you have yet to explain what any of Saddams actions was worth going off track from 911?
We all knew Saddam was a bad guy… and that bad guys have been around for EVER… so what exactly is your point?
April 29th, 2007 at 6:30 pm#
Comment by david
“The weapons inspectors said there was no evidence Saddam had weapons of mass destructionâ€
What they said is that they FOUIND no evidence. Take a class in logic. Just because something isn’t found does not PROVE that it doesn’t exist.
Comment by LibSlayer — April 29, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
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Yes there were WMD, we have found it, we found WMD labs and we had Iraqi scientists testify that they were making it right up to the invasion.
Comment by LibSlayer
Your second comment preceeded the one at 5:25pm. So which is it? WMD were found or NOT found?
April 29th, 2007 at 6:30 pmComment by barfly
“I see David Kay has been jettisoned. ”
Why would I jettison him, he proved me correct.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:31 pmIt is YOU who wants to steal our rights.
Comment by LibSlayer
It’s all a part of the American citizen package. Don’t like it? Leave.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:31 pmIt was successful.
Comment by LibSlayer
Yeah, that must be why you stopped using it all of a sudden: because it was so effective.
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Comment by Zooey;
As long as you don’t step within the Bile Splash-zone, you’re safe enough, I guess.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:31 pm“Comment by impeachcheneythenbush
“I swear…comments like this make me wonder sometimes if there isn’t a juxtiposition between two dimensions that meet from time to time, resulting in just these kinds of absolutely opposite versions of reality.”
You are living in another dimension, totally devoid of reality.
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center’s commander said here today.
“These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes … they do constitute weapons of mass destruction,” Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee”
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jun2006/20060629_5547.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2006/06/iraq-060629-afps02.htm
April 29th, 2007 at 6:32 pm“So which is it? WMD were found or NOT found?
Comment by impeachcheneythenbush
”
WMD WERE found, the second comment refers to testimony that occurred AFTER the first comment.
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center’s commander said here today.
“These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes … they do constitute weapons of mass destruction,” Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee”
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jun2006/20060629_5547.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2006/06/iraq-060629-afps02.htm
April 29th, 2007 at 6:33 pmIt is YOU who wants to steal our rights.
Comment by LibSlayer
Just your “right” to be ignorant.
Read. A. Book.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:34 pmComment by Zooey
“It’s all a part of the American citizen package. Don’t like it? Leave.
”
Not according to the Constitution.
So, to live in a liberal America I must agree to let you steal my rights away.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:35 pmComment by barfly
“Yeah, that must be why you stopped using it all of a sudden: because it was so effective.”
Yes it was effective, nobody was able to refute him when he said that if the US hadn’t invaded terrorists could have gotten WMD from Iraq.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:36 pmDo you enjoy getting flogged by your own links?
Mustard is a blister agent (that) actually produces burning of any area (where) an individual may come in contact with the agent,” he said. It also is potentially fatal if it gets into a person’s lungs.
The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, Chu added.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:37 pmComment by LibSlayer
Your whining is not PROOF.
Try again.
Comment by Zooey — April 29, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
These two idiots, LibSlayer and Valient Venus, think if they heard it from Limbaugh or O’Reilly its proof. Delusional fools.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:37 pmNot according to the Constitution.
So, to live in a liberal America I must agree to let you steal my rights away.
Comment by LibSlayer
The American people have spoken, and apparently we prefer our old people not to be starving on the streets. We like to take care of children who need it. And we like to provide healthcare to those who need it.
Why do you hate America?
April 29th, 2007 at 6:39 pmSo, at the time the “weapons” were found, they were already inert, and useless as weapons. How does this mean that Saddam has WMD? It means Saddam HAD WMD, that was useless as a weapon! And David Kay refuted every point you attempted to make.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:40 pmComment by barfly
“The munitions found contain sarin and mustard gases, Army Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said. Sarin attacks the neurological system and is potentially lethal. ”
Typical IDIOT lib, like I said, can’t READ. HMMMM, it says ding ding ding SARIN which IS a WMD.
It was impure sarin that was used in the Tokoyo subway attacks.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:40 pmThese two idiots, LibSlayer and Valient Venus, think if they heard it from Limbaugh or O’Reilly its proof. Delusional fools.
Comment by Shane
I don’t think I’ve EVER seen MA back up any of her claptrap; and I have yet to see any proof to back up LibStain’s whining.
*sigh*
April 29th, 2007 at 6:41 pmYou STEAL our rights and make us slaves to the state.
Comment by LibSlayer
Then go pioneer yourself a new untouched land and live complelty FREE from all people… oh wait there are no more undiscovered lands.. guess you are just going to have to stop hating Americans and learn to live in our society.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:41 pmComment by barfly
“The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, Chu added.”
You idiots just make this TOO easy:
“While that’s reassuring, the agent remaining in the weapons would be very valuable to terrorists and insurgents, Maples said. “We’re talking chemical agents here that could be packaged in a different format and have a great effect,” he said, referencing the sarin-gas attack on a Japanese subway in the mid-1990s. “
April 29th, 2007 at 6:42 pm“Comment by Zooey
“The American people have spoken, and apparently we prefer our old people not to be starving on the streets. We like to take care of children who need it. And we like to provide healthcare to those who need it.
Why do you hate America?”
Even the American people do not have a right to ignore the Constitution.
I only hate a LIBERAL America, as I hate liberals.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:43 pmIt was impure sarin that was used in the Tokoyo subway attacks.
Comment by LibSlayer
I-N-E-R-T
April 29th, 2007 at 6:43 pmComment by Gerald Gibson Jr
Then go pioneer yourself a new untouched land and live complelty FREE from all people… oh wait there are no more undiscovered lands.. guess you are just going to have to stop hating Americans and learn to live in our society.
No, I want to live in the America created by the Constitution, not the one that liberals have trashed.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:44 pmTypical IDIOT lib, like I said, can’t READ. HMMMM, it says ding ding ding SARIN which IS a WMD.
Was WMD, pinhead. At the time of the invasion it was useless as a weapo – as Bush already knew, having gotten Saddam’s unredacted weapon’s declaration before the invasion. This would have contained not only the gas’s supplier, but it;s date of manufacture – meaning Bush knew it was bogus before the war started, or should have.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:44 pmEven the American people do not have a right to ignore the Constitution.
I only hate a LIBERAL America, as I hate liberals.
Comment by LibSlayer
George W. Bush ignores the Constitution. Go figure.
Get used to a liberal America, baby.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:45 pmOr go down to the courthouse and renounce your citizenship.
Or just f*cking quit whining.
Comment by Zooey
“We like to take care of children who need it. And we like to provide healthcare to those who need it.”
No, you like to FORCE others to do it for you.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:46 pmComment by barfly
“Was WMD, pinhead. At the time of the invasion it was useless as a weapon”
It was useless for its ORIGINAL purpose, as an artillery round. My god are why are you so fuking stupid?
TRY READING:
“the agent remaining in the weapons would be very valuable to terrorists and insurgents, Maples said. “We’re talking chemical agents here that could be packaged in a different format and have a great effect,” he said, referencing the sarin-gas attack on a Japanese subway in the mid-1990s.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:47 pm“
WMD WERE found, the second comment refers to testimony that occurred AFTER the first comment.
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center’s commander said here today.
“These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes … they do constitute weapons of mass destruction,†Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committeeâ€
http://www.defenselink.mil/ news/ Jun2006/ 20060629_5547.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/ wmd/ library/ news/ iraq/ 2006/ 06/ iraq-060629-afps02.htm
Comment by LibSlayer
Are you telling me you are willing to look a dead soldiers parents in the eyes and hand them a piece of paper with this BS on it?
April 29th, 2007 at 6:48 pmComment by Zooey
“I-N-E-R-T”
TRY READING:
“the agent remaining in the weapons would be very valuable to terrorists and insurgents, Maples said. “We’re talking chemical agents here that could be packaged in a different format and have a great effect,” he said, referencing the sarin-gas attack on a Japanese subway in the mid-1990s.
This is true even considering any degradation of the chemical agents that may have occurred, Chu said”
April 29th, 2007 at 6:49 pmComment by Zooey
George W. Bush ignores the Constitution. Go figure.
Liberals haven’t left much of the Constitution TO ignore.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:49 pmYes it was effective, nobody was able to refute him when he said that if the US hadn’t invaded terrorists could have gotten WMD from Iraq.
Comment by LibSlayer
Saudi Arabia has shown interest in developing their own and Pakistan already has nukes and his the host to Al Qeada and could be over thrown one day not too far off… so why did we invade Iraq again?
April 29th, 2007 at 6:50 pmComment by Gerald Gibson Jr
“Are you telling me you are willing to look a dead soldiers parents in the eyes and hand them a piece of paper with this BS on it?”
I am willing to look at them and tell them this:
David Kay – testimony to Congress
Jan 28, 2004
“It was a country that had the capability in weapons of mass destruction areas and in which terrorists, like ants to honey, were going after it.
”
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?r108:S28JA4-0018:
David Kay, Jan 2004: “In the marketplace of terrorism and of WMD, Iraq well could have been that supplier if the war had not intervened”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4066462/
April 29th, 2007 at 6:51 pmThis is all staledated nonsense, LibSlain. Cheers went up each time so-called weapons of mass destruction were found. But they were either old stuff already catalogued by the UN weapons inspectors or mislabeled stuff which turned out to be conventional weapons or not weapons at all.
You can’t keep quoting David Kay if David Kay said it was all a mistake. It makes you look stupid. (Not that that’s too hard to do.) And when Kay speculates on the dangers of a post-Saddam Iraq, he’s speaking beyond his expertise and is offering his employers a sop. The truth is the botched occupation did more to spread the knowledge of WMD. So one can just as easily point the finger at Bush.
Question: Why is it that wars with the USA never end? The US continued to bomb Iraq almost monthly after Desert Storm. The US still have troops in Japan, Germany, and South Korea. And OBL’s main bugbear was the US bases in Saudi Arabia left after Desert Storm. And the State Dept did warn Bush Sr that those would cause ill-will between the US and Muslims.
Please, enjoy your freedom, LibSlain, in some other country. Ooops. Very hard to do as nearly all the World have pension plans, universal healthcare, public schools, and social programs. Where you really want to live, LibSlain, is the Medieval Times. Jump in your time machine and say Goodbye.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:52 pmComment by david
Try to get INFORMED:
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center’s commander said here today.
“These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes … they do constitute weapons of mass destruction,” Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee”
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jun2006/20060629_5547.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2006/06/iraq-060629-afps02.htm
April 29th, 2007 at 6:53 pmComment by david
“Please, enjoy your freedom’
What little freedom liberals have left us.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:54 pmI want to live in the America created by the Constitution, not the one that liberals have trashed.
Comment by LibSlayer
Then go undue what Lincoln and his republicans did… HE is the one that took the powers of a dictator for the federal government and then died before he could give them back. This country changed because of the treasonous actions fo the south that made the civil war happen. And undue 1929 and the great depression while you are at it… and of coarse make sure WWII never happened… This is our society… stop hating America before your emotions get the best of you and you resort to terrorism.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:55 pmComment by Gerald Gibson Jr
Saudi Arabia has shown interest in developing their own and Pakistan already has nukes and his the host to Al Qeada and could be over thrown one day not too far off… so why did we invade Iraq again?
1. They were not REQUIRED to have nothing to do with WMD
April 29th, 2007 at 6:55 pm2. The Saudi gov’t doesn’t have a long standing history of working with terrorists.
What the hell is this new troll, libslayer.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:56 pmIts facts are all wrong; we can guess its source.
Ignore it, and maybe it will slink away.
Comment by LibSlayer — April 29, 2007 @ 6:49 pm
Poof positive that the 28%tile is made up of stupid knuckle dragging idiots who get their information from FAUX. God, I am glad the GOP is over. They will never be back in the majority after this bunch of lunatics have proven they cannot lead or govern. The GOP is made up of crooks, liars, and cowardly chickenshit chickenhawks. Fear and smear makes for a terrible policy.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:56 pm“Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr
“Then go undue what Lincoln and his republicans did… HE is the one that took the powers of a dictator for the federal government and then died before he could give them back. This country changed because of the ”
Because of FDR and the New Deal and LBJ and the Great Society, they utterly trashed the Constitution and destroyed what the Constitution had created.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:58 pmLipSprayer:
April 29th, 2007 at 6:58 pmdef: someone who spews
Comment by Marie
“What the hell is this new troll, libslayer.
Its facts are all wrong; ”
Yes, that is a lib, facts are wrong.
April 29th, 2007 at 6:59 pmComment by LibSlayer
Your skull is so dence it should be used instead of depleted uranium in the U.S. stockpile. Are you one of those people that use a shotgun to take down a fly?
April 29th, 2007 at 6:59 pm2. The Saudi gov’t doesn’t have a long standing history of working with terrorists.
Comment by LibSlayer
Their people is another matter.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:00 pmComment by kasinca
“Fear and smear makes for a terrible policy.”
Yet that is ALL we get from the dems.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:01 pmLibSlain, are you proposing a Final Solution for Liberals? I knew that when one scratches a rabid libertarian one found a Nazi under the veneer.
Get over yourself. You owe any wealth you have to liberal democracy and the Constitution that creates laws and divides up duties and responsibilities.
I suppose you do understand the principles of insurance? By paying a little into a pool one has access to a more than one could hope as an individual in the face of disaster. That’s the principle behind Social Security, Welfare, public schools, universal healthcare, etc. You actually pay more per capita doing it your way than the Liberal way. Which is why Conservatives have to steal from shareholders, foreign nations, and the working poor.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:01 pmFrom your link:
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center’s commander said here today.
That’s “weapons found SINCE 2003.” But not before. Before the invasion, nothing was found to legitimize the invasion. This is about weapons found after Kay’s report, and subsequent mea culpa. So, how does this buttress your assertion about Kay? It doesn’t.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:02 pmComment by david
“LibSlain, are you proposing a Final Solution for Liberals? ”
There are only three kinds of good liberals
ex liberal
April 29th, 2007 at 7:03 pmclassical liberal
dead liberal.
2. The Saudi gov’t doesn’t have a long standing history of working with terrorists.
Comment by LibSlayer — April 29, 2007
Did this dude libslayer actually type this crap. My lord you neocons are dumb as bricks.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:03 pmJesus, the shit must be hitting the fan for the neocons if a troll has to come on TP to try and prove that WMDs were found in Iraq. What a joke.
video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=The%20Power%20of%20Nightmares%20Part%201&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv
LibSlayers mentality is explained in the video above… He and the taliban both hate Americas individual freedoms and think that our freedoms lead to a society that they feel rejected in… his kind is the kind that turns to terrorism.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:03 pmComment by david
“You owe any wealth you have to liberal democracy and the Constitution that creates laws and divides up duties and responsibilities.”
That is an idiot lib, it is government that all good springs from. I owe my wealth to MY efforts DESPITE what liberal democracy has done to make it harder.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:05 pm“Comment by barfly
Before the invasion, nothing was found to legitimize the invasion. This is about weapons found after Kay’s report, and subsequent mea culpa. So, how does this buttress your assertion about Kay? It doesn’t.
The reason for the invasion was to PREVENT terrorists from getting WMD, that was proven valid.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:06 pmUm, right, LibSlayer. According to liberal principles, the nation should be constructed in such a way that all citizens have the necessities of civilized life: water, air, shelter, food, a doctor when they’re sick. Even *gasp* basic education. Don’t like it? Then vote against it. But stop whining about force. It’s called the rule of law and the laws that rule us are created by duly elected representatives.
Yeesh.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:06 pmBecause of FDR and the New Deal and LBJ and the Great Society, they utterly trashed the Constitution and destroyed what the Constitution had created.
Comment by LibSlayer
Why don’t you take off the mask, and say it straight out: you hate all those civil rights reforms, that gave people of color a more equal footing in society. FDR started making reforms, and Johnson’s great society pushed affirmative action – scourge of all “southern Strategy” republicans.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:06 pmFDR and LBJ trashed the Constitution??? Oh, dear, LibSlain, you need a refresher course on US history. You are so out in Right Field. You have nothing to show for all your delusion but hatred of America and the Rights she stands for. Go back to your Medieval World and leave the 21st Century to get on with reality.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:07 pmComment by Gerald Gibson Jr
“He and the taliban both hate Americas individual freedoms and think that our freedoms lead to a society that they feel rejected in… his kind is the kind that turns to terrorism.”
Typical idiot lib can’t read, what I hate is liberals TAKING our individual freedoms away from us.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:07 pmSo, when are we going to impeach these traitorous bastards? Do we have to wait until they move on from trivialities like sending 18-year-olds to die for lies to something really serious like getting blowjobs from their interns?
April 29th, 2007 at 7:08 pmThe reason for the invasion was to PREVENT terrorists from getting WMD, that was proven valid.
Comment by LibSlayer
It still doesn’t prove what you’ve claimed Kay said. It does the opposite.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:08 pm“Comment by Amy
“Um, right, LibSlayer. According to liberal principles, the nation should be constructed in such a way that all citizens have the necessities of civilized life: water, air, shelter, food, a doctor when they’re sick. ”
Um NO, that is NOT what the Founders created, that is liberal fantasy that trashes the Constitution.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:08 pmComment by Amy
Then vote against it. But stop whining about force. It’s called the rule of law and the laws that rule us are created by duly elected representatives.
This country was founded upon the rule of the CONSTITUTION which liberals have trashed.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:10 pmex liberal
classical liberal
dead liberal.
Comment by LibSlayer
I clean my guns every week, and target practice on weekends. Any time you wanna make me a good liberal, you’re welcome to try.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:11 pmComment by david
“FDR and LBJ trashed the Constitution??? ”
Yes, there is NOTHING in the Constitution that authorizes their Great Society and New Deal programs.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:12 pmTypical idiot lib can’t read, what I hate is liberals TAKING our individual freedoms away from us.
Comment by LibSlayer
Sure sure emmhmm…
You sound like a 16 year that listens to Rush and is trying to prove something to somebody…
Exactly what freedoms do you want back? Hell maybe no one ever says and they are the same ones the libs want back…
April 29th, 2007 at 7:12 pmUm NO, that is NOT what the Founders created, that is liberal fantasy that trashes the Constitution.
Comment by LibSlayer
Never heard of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? It’s supposed to be for everyone – not just members of The Lucky Sperm Club.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:13 pmComment by barfly
“It still doesn’t prove what you’ve claimed Kay said. ”
Yes it does.
David Kay:
- actual ongoing chemical and biological research programs;
- an active program to use the deadly chemical ricin as a weapon, a program that was interrupted only by the start of the war in March;
- evidence of Saddam Hussein’s intent to pursue WMD programs on a large scale;
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0401/28/se.02.html
April 29th, 2007 at 7:13 pmComment by barfly
“I clean my guns every week, and target practice on weekends. Any time you wanna make me a good liberal, you’re welcome to try.”
Nothing would give me greater pleasure.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:14 pmLike I stated before. If it’s Sunday, it’s meet the neocons on the msm. Rice is a joke. You know your logic is flawed if your excuse for going to war was, well ah the other guys thought the same thing. What a complete joke of an excuse for going to war.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:15 pmYes, there is NOTHING in the Constitution that authorizes their Great Society and New Deal programs.
Comment by LibSlayer
If they didnt do what they did then most likely the very angry and poor masses would have listened to the Leninists and killed off the rich and made a communist or socialist country…. Ever hear of the “great depression”? You dont like history? Well me either but that is the way it goes… going bat shit crazy over it and blaming everyone around you doesnt help matters at all.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:15 pmComment by Gerald Gibson Jr
“Exactly what freedoms do you want back? Hell maybe no one ever says and they are the same ones the libs want back…”
The freedom to do with mine what is mine.
The freedom to not have what is mine stolen from me to be given to somebody else.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:15 pm- actual ongoing chemical and biological research programs;
- an active program to use the deadly chemical ricin as a weapon, a program that was interrupted only by the start of the war in March;
- evidence of Saddam Hussein’s intent to pursue WMD programs on a large scale;
http://www.cnn.com/ TRANSCRIPTS/ 0401/ 28/ se.02.html
Comment by LibSlayer
So what?
Where is your evidence that has anything to do with 911?
April 29th, 2007 at 7:17 pmNothing would give me greater pleasure.
Comment by LibSlayer —
Anyday, chickenshit.
Better make the first shot count. You won’t get a second.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:17 pmComment by barfly
“Never heard of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? ”
Yes.
Now where does it say, medical care, retirement, food, shelter, clothing?
April 29th, 2007 at 7:17 pmNothing would give me greater pleasure.
Comment by LibSlayer
Sounds like somebody has an attitude that is going to get him in prison some day.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:18 pmThe freedom to not have what is mine stolen from me to be given to somebody else.
Comment by LibSlay
Doesnt the Consitution say that the government can tax?
April 29th, 2007 at 7:19 pmComment by barfly
“Better make the first shot count. You won’t get a second.”
I won’t need a second.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:19 pmHere you go libslayer, you lying sack of shit. You neocons are too easy and too dumb.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/01/25/sprj.nirq.kay/
(CNN) — Two days after resigning as the Bush administration’s top weapons inspector in Iraq, David Kay said Sunday that his group found no evidence Iraq had stockpiled unconventional weapons before the U.S.-led invasion in March.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:20 pmWe the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
* insure domestic tranquility … the great depression was NOT domestic tranquility… the rich needed to be put in their place.
* promote the general welfare … Ut Uh…. it actually says WELFARE…..
April 29th, 2007 at 7:22 pmComment by Gerald Gibson Jr
“Where is your evidence that has anything to do with 911?”
It doesn’t have anything to do with 9/11. It has to do with the THREAT that terrorists get ahold of WMD. If terroriists were to get even one ounce of the right bioWMD and sneak it into the US it could kill millions.
David Kay:
- New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF),
http://www.caci.com/homeland_security/kay_10-2.shtml
Deulfer Report
In Dr. Rihab’s own words, Hazim’s decision to work with camel pox was because “it was near to smallpox”
According to Hazim ‘Ali, researchers in Iraq’s BW program followed the practice of working with particularly pathogenic micro-organismssurrogates to facilitate transition to the actual pathogens. This approach permitted the researcher to familiarize and learn techniques, procedures and processes to increase the safety margin for the researcher and technicians
http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/chap6.html
April 29th, 2007 at 7:22 pmOh please, if Libslayer were a real man who stood by his principles he would enlist for Iraq. He’s just another neocon closet homosexual. You know he’s at home in his mom’s basement wearing her garter belt and panties.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:23 pmLibSlain, when did you come to America? After the fall of Apartheid?? You seem to have some libertarian fantasy that an Earthly Paradise once existed where life was golden. Sorry to intrude on your myth, but we’ve always had government. Even old Jehovah laid down some pretty heavy laws. So give up. This free land fantasy is the crap one hears invaders of Indian Territory, Southern plantation owners, Afrikaaners, and West Bank settlers tell. It’s bogus.
Either you’re with us –as in equal and justice for all– or your against us –as in slave states and bantustans and occupied territories. Take your choice.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:23 pmComment by Gerald Gibson Jr
“Doesnt the Consitution say that the government can tax?”
The Constitution explicitly lists all the things the US gov’t can do, and NONE of them is provide healthcare, welfare, retirement.
You can read it for yourself:
Article 1 Section 8
The power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,
to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate commerce
To establish a uniform rule of naturalization,
To coin money, regulate the value thereof,
To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;
To establish post offices and post roads;
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, b
To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas,
To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal,
To raise and support armies,
To provide and maintain a navy;
To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union,
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, a
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html#section8
April 29th, 2007 at 7:24 pmJoe Biden said the same thing on Meet the Press this morning. Niether Joe or Condi are right on this one.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:25 pmComment by david
“Sorry to intrude on your myth, but we’ve always had government. ”
I have no problem with government as long it is the LIMITED government the Constitutin created.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:25 pmOh look libslayer, looks like I even caught Condi in her lie. Too easy neocons.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-03-02-un-wmd_x.htm
UNITED NATIONS — A report from U.N. weapons inspectors to be released today says they now believe there were no weapons of mass destruction of any significance in Iraq after 1994, according to two U.N. diplomats who have seen the document.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:27 pm“Comment by Topper Harley
(CNN) — Two days after resigning as the Bush administration’s top weapons inspector in Iraq, David Kay said Sunday that his group found no evidence Iraq had stockpiled unconventional weapons before the U.S.-led invasion in March.
The fact that we didn’t find the STOCKPILES of WMD intelligence thought was there does not mean we didn’t find WMD:
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center’s commander said here today.
“These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes … they do constitute weapons of mass destruction,” Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee”
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jun2006/20060629_5547.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2006/06/iraq-060629-afps02.htm
April 29th, 2007 at 7:27 pmComment by david
“Either you’re with us –as in equal and justice for all– or your against us –as in slave states and bantustans and occupied territories. Take your choice.
”
Liberals are NOT for equality for all, they believe some should by a higher % of taxes while others should have what they need provided for them.
That is NOT equal.
I am for everybody being treated equally by the government.
That means everybody is taxed equally.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:29 pmIt doesn’t have anything to do with 9/11. It has to do with the THREAT that terrorists get ahold of WMD. If terroriists were to get even one ounce of the right bioWMD and sneak it into the US it could kill millions.
Comment by LibSlayer
Can you imagine what would happen if they got their hands on the lose nuclear material in the old USSR? Better invade the old USSR… or what if they got their hands on the American Anthrax like that was sent to the democrats in congress by some terrorist?
April 29th, 2007 at 7:32 pmThe power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,
to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States;
To regulate commerce;
To promote the progress of science and useful arts.
LibSlain, you must be myopic. There in bold are the founding statements of a liberal democratic and progressive society. Don’t you like providing for the general welfare of the American people? Perhaps you would like a less perfect union. Do you have the Confederate flag flying above your bed?
Give it up, you anti-democratic fascist.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:32 pmHey libslayer. Condi lied buddy, stick to point. The UN and Hans Blix specifically stated that Iraq had no WMDS. The rest of your argument is just a strawman. Typical of a neocon troll. This was before the invasion dumbshit.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3323633.stm
Blix sceptical on Iraqi WMD claim
Hans Blix
Mr Blix hopes Saddam Hussein will tell the truth about WMD
Iraq probably destroyed its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in the early 1990s, the former United Nations chief weapons inspector Hans Blix has said.
Speaking to the BBC’s World Service, Mr Blix said he was more certain than ever that there was no WMD in Iraq.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:32 pmComment by Gerald Gibson Jr
Can you imagine what would happen if they got their hands on the lose nuclear material in the old USSR? Better invade the old USSR… ”
Why they are working WITH the US both in trying to get control of this stuff and fight terrorists.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:33 pmThe Constitution explicitly lists all the things the US gov’t can do, and NONE of them is provide healthcare, welfare, retirement.
You can read it for yourself:
Article 1 Section 8
The power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,
to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States
Right there in your own text it says they can collect money and spend it…. And since it would be impossible for the Constitution to list every single thing to be taxed or money to be spent on then I guess you are DEAD WRONG.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:36 pmWhy not just put a cap on income if you love equality so much, LibSlain? What you’re really saying is you want is inequality.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:36 pmLook, it doesn’t matter what inspectors thought; it mattes what evidence they found or did not find.
Another bankrupt logical argument by the administration.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:38 pmWhy they are working WITH the US both in trying to get control of this stuff and fight terrorists.
Comment by LibSlayer
No its not. They work with us because of diplomacy by people like Richard Lugar (R)- IN
April 29th, 2007 at 7:39 pmIt’s amazing to me that Rice has time to appear on three Sunday news interview shows but refuses to appear before Waxman’s Governmental Affairs Committee.
It’s as if she wishes not to answer questions under oath!
Could this be true?
And maybe Waxman should offer to hold a committee meeting on a Sunday when Rice has plenty of time.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:40 pmGod you’re such an idiot libslayer. Those munitions were 20 years old assmonkey. You are a complete tool. They were supposed to be used for the Iraq – Iran war. Guess who probably provided those munitions to Iraq for that war.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/2004/isg-final-report/isg-final-report_vol3_cw_key-findings.htm
While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter, a policy ISG attributes to Baghdad’s desire to see sanctions lifted, or rendered ineffectual, or its fear of force against it should WMD be discovered.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/30/AR2006063001528.html
Do the 20-year-old Iraqi chemical munitions found by U.S. and coalition forces support the prewar contention that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and justify the invasion of Iraq?
The classified overview of chemical munitions says that U.S. forces have found about 500 shells, canisters or other munitions containing the chemical weapons. Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, told the committee the shells were produced in the 1980s for the Iran-Iraq war but were not used.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:40 pmCome now, Condi, don’t “impugn your integrity” by lying again. (Oops, what integrity)
April 29th, 2007 at 7:49 pmRice has been deceptive many times in her public statements. Rice has lied many times in her public statements. I have come to believe that Rice is lying whenever her lips are moving. The fact that she refuses to testify, using separation of powers issues as an excuse, is absurd. She refuses to testify simply to save her lame ass from a long prison sentence.
April 29th, 2007 at 7:58 pmI truly hope that Rice winds up in prison for her crimes along with the rest of this criminal administration. I hope that Waxman issues the subpeona, and finds her in contempt of congress if she doesn’t show up. This entire administration is guilty of war crimes, war profiteering, and crimes against humanity. Add to that their attacks against our own constitution! These crooks should all be impeached! For congress to stand by and allow the crimes of this administration to continue in plain view, indicates to me that congress as well, is in violation of the oath they swore to uphold the very constitution which is now under attack!
Libslayer thinks liberals take away individual freedoms. Shows you his thought process. Nonexistent.
April 29th, 2007 at 8:00 pmConservative authoritarian fascists take away freedoms and tell you it’s for your own good. Libslayer believes them.
Thank you, Center for American Progress Action Fund!!!
I just have to say thank you for stating what no one seems to recognize: The inspectors knew there were no WMD or WMD “programs” (that was the second line of Bushie non-reasoning), and they publicly said so. I was reading their statements at the time, so I had no doubts that Powell’s UN speech and the war-drum-beating were pure BS. What I couldn’t figure out at the time was: Why are my representatives and all these pundits acting like they don’t hear what the inspectors are saying?
Of course, now we know that these people were privy to secret “intelligence” that told them of possible sinister moves by Saddam. But, unsurprisingly to me, the “intelligence” was also pure BS.
Now I read both hawks and doves talking as if we were misled and couldn’t possibly have known that Bush was lying. Some still even deny that Bush certainly was lying. WTF? It’s like I’m in a bizarro world where everybody is full of pure BS (which isn’t my usual, hopeful view of humans). So am I insane?
Not so much, now the Center for American Progress Action Fund rescues the last vestiges of my sanity with a dose of historical truth. If anyone out there doubts that the inspectors had destroyed every shred of unconventional weapons and “programs”, you can look it up easily; it’s allover the historical record.
Thank you, Center for American Progress Action Fund!!!
April 29th, 2007 at 8:04 pmI love it when a troll provides the information necessary to debunk her argument:
Now, the only way to support your argument is to assert that providing healthcare for the sick and injured, providing minimal assistance to the neediest of all citizens, and to provide for the elderly is somehow not part of providing for the general welfare of the United States.
Perhaps you’re claiming that these three groups, the weakest of all, should be left to fend for themselves. Just remember, you are just one illness or injury away from joining the first two groups. Medical bills are still the greatest cause of bankruptcy in this country.
And if you live long enough, you’ll be in the third.
April 29th, 2007 at 8:10 pmI seem to recall that term used once before, in a joke about someone’s dead daughter….
April 29th, 2007 at 8:17 pmAfter reading the drivel which spews from the keyboard of LibSlayer, I have to wonder if perhaps, he is one of the army of neocon supporters who are paid by the Rethuglican party, to post endlessly on these threads? It’s either that, or he doesn’t have a life in the real world, and depends on the stipend he recieves to spout conservative talking points, and propaganda. Either way, it’s pathetic.
April 29th, 2007 at 8:18 pmComment by david
“The power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,
To regulate commerce;
To promote the progress of science and useful arts.”
AGain WHERE does it say provide healthcare, welfare, retirement?
Comment by david
April 29th, 2007 at 8:32 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire
Now, the only way to support your argument is to assert that providing healthcare for the sick and injured, providing minimal assistance to the neediest of all citizens, and to provide for the elderly is somehow not part of providing for the general welfare of the United States.
Providing for their welfare does not provide for the general welfare, it only provides for THEIR welfare while HARMING the general welfare.
April 29th, 2007 at 8:33 pmComment by Marie
“Libslayer thinks liberals take away individual freedoms.”
That is exactly what they do they FORCE me to provide for the welfare of others. No freedom there.
April 29th, 2007 at 8:34 pmTopper Harley
“God you’re such an idiot libslayer. Those munitions were 20 years old assmonkey.”
Their age is completely irrelevent since they can STILL be used in the WMD capacity:
“the agent remaining in the weapons would be very valuable to terrorists and insurgents, Maples said. “We’re talking chemical agents here that could be packaged in a different format and have a great effect,” he said, referencing the sarin-gas attack on a Japanese subway in the mid-1990s.
This is true even considering any degradation of the chemical agents that may have occurred, Chu said. It’s not known exactly how sarin breaks down, but no matter how degraded the agent is, it’s still toxic. ”
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15918
April 29th, 2007 at 8:36 pmComment by david
“Why not just put a cap on income if you love equality so much, LibSlain? What you’re really saying is you want is inequality.
”
It is equality BEFORE THE LAW, it is equality of treatment by the US governemnt.
Equality doesn’t mean the US government should try to make us equal in wealth and welfare.
April 29th, 2007 at 8:38 pmComment by Eargy Earp
“Another bankrupt logical argument by the administration.”
Yes and the inspectors found after the invasion that the Saddam regime was just as dangerous as was thought before the invasion for the reasons thought.
David Kay – testimony to Congress
Jan 28, 2004
“It was a country that had the capability in weapons of mass destruction areas and in which terrorists, like ants to honey, were going after it.
”
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?r108:S28JA4-0018:
David Kay, Jan 2004: “In the marketplace of terrorism and of WMD, Iraq well could have been that supplier if the war had not intervened”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4066462/
David Kay
Iraq May Have Been ‘Far More Dangerous’ Than Believed, Kay Tells Senators
Jan. 29, 2004
http://www.dod.gov/news/Jan2004/n01292004_200401295.html
April 29th, 2007 at 8:41 pmDear me, LibSlain, how’s your friend Winston Smith? Hard day sending things down the old memory hole?
Where does is say provide healthcare, welfare, retirement? It’s too laugh. You idiot! You cut the line where it said “to provide for the general wefare of the United States”.
How’s your pal Monica Goodling? You both seem to be deleting and suppressing evidence. I’m surprised you’re not taking the Fifth.
Responsibility for the poor has a long history in English common law. And that word “welfare” is right there in the Constitution. That’s where the idea of the welfare state comes from. Think Commonwealth, which is what Kentucky, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and Virginia have always called themselves.
That’s common weal or wellbeing. And not every man for himself.
April 29th, 2007 at 8:42 pmWow, that’s a pretty blatant lie. I don’t recall ever hearing the inspectors say they thought Saddam had WMDs. Rice dishes out more spin than a washing machine.
April 29th, 2007 at 8:48 pmComment by Gerald Gibson Jr
“ht there in your own text it says they can collect money and spend it…. And since it would be impossible for the Constitution to list every single thing to be taxed or money to be spent on then I guess you are DEAD WRONG.”
Actually the Constitution DOES list EVERYTHING the government can spend money on:
Article 1 Section 8
The power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate commerce
To establish a uniform rule of naturalization,
To coin money, regulate the value thereof,
To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;
To establish post offices and post roads;
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, (by issuing patents)
To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas,
To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal,
To raise and support armies,
To provide and maintain a navy;
To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union,
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, a
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html#section8
Those are the ONLY things the government CAN do, and NOTHING about healthcare, welfare, retirement.
April 29th, 2007 at 8:50 pmIn your ideal world, the sick and injured will simply die when their money runs out. The elderly will follow suit.
And the poor will face a choice between starvation or crime.
Your attitude is the antithesis of that of a son of a carpenter. In fact, you’ll find your particular personal beliefs well spelled out in this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Bible
April 29th, 2007 at 8:51 pmDoes that mean all should start life on an equal footing?
Or should one’s station in life be determined by the social class to which s/he is born?
April 29th, 2007 at 8:54 pmTHE SECURITY COUNCIL, 27 JANUARY 2003:
AN UPDATE ON INSPECTION by Dr. Hans Blix
“There are strong indications that Iraq produced more anthrax than it declared, and that at least some of this was retained after the declared destruction date. It might still exist.”
“The document indicates that 13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi Air Force between 1983 and 1988, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tonnes. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, we must assume that these quantities are now unaccounted for.”
http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/Bx27.htm
April 29th, 2007 at 8:54 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire
“In your ideal world, ”
In my ideal world everybody is FREE to CHOOSE for themselves how they want to be charitable, WHEN they want to be charitable, to WHOM they want to be chartibla.
In my world we are FREE to CHOOSE for ourselves, rather than have the government impose that choice upon us.
Why are you against us being free to choose?
April 29th, 2007 at 8:57 pmAh, LibSlain, I know that were we in a lifeboat I’d have you stripped searched. I know you’d be hiding chocolate bars and beef jerky from the rest of the survivors. And then we’d vote to throw you overboard for undermining the general welfare of the boat.
I think you need to read John Donne’s “For Whom the Bell Tolls”. You might learn more of what equality means. And when I spoke of income caps, I was mocking your Ayn Randian hysteria.
Progressive taxation doesn’t steal from the rich, it forces spending and generates new wealth. The CEO with the power to grant his own 2000% pay raise is stealing from the shareholders. Whatever happened to all that Shareholders Rights crap the Republicans were so hot about in 1994? I guess it didn’t sit well with their masters. Or those term limits? What happened to them?
Why do you think ballteams have salary caps? It’s to make the sport competitive and healthy. The same happens with taxation. It keeps the money in circulation. Read Veblen if you want to know what perversions the unfettered rich get up to. Instead of business telling government to be like business, we need to tell business to be more like sports. They need rules and a level playing field and teams need to be evenly balanced or the fans feel cheated by the lopsided play.
And this is all great fun explaining the basics to a troll, but the topic is Why is Condi Rice such a Big Fat Liar about WMD Saddam didn’t have.
April 29th, 2007 at 8:57 pm319, posting a debunked argument doesn’t make it any better.
Congress can provide for the general welfare. And thus far, Congress does not agree with you, and believes that providing for the weakest in our society does indeed benefit all of society.
Of course, you would need to understand macro-economics to comprehend how that works, but I’m afraid, based on what I see of your postings, that subject matter is quite beyond you.
April 29th, 2007 at 8:57 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire
“Your attitude is the antithesis of that of a son of a carpenter. In fact, you’ll find your particular personal beliefs well spelled out in this:”
So now you want government to IMPOSE your religion upon us?
April 29th, 2007 at 8:58 pmIs it just me, or has Condi closed the gap between her teeth?
April 29th, 2007 at 8:59 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire
“Does that mean all should start life on an equal footing? ”
No, it means we ARE equal before the law. We ARE equal and should be treated as such by the government.
April 29th, 2007 at 8:59 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire
“Congress can provide for the general welfare. ”
Congress can do ONLY those things listed in the Constution. And there is NOTHING about healthcare, welfare, retirement.
April 29th, 2007 at 9:01 pmComment by david
“Progressive taxation doesn’t steal from the rich, ”
That is exactly what it is and by doing so the government is NOT treating them equally this country was founded to do.
April 29th, 2007 at 9:03 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire
Congress can provide for the general welfare. And thus far, Congress does not agree with you, and believes that providing for the weakest in our society does indeed benefit all of society.”
And thus far Congress continues to do that which is unconstitutional.
“Of course, you would need to understand macro-economics to comprehend how that works”
I understand macro-economics more than well enough to know that it does NOT promote the general welfare, it HURTS the general-welfare.
April 29th, 2007 at 9:05 pmComment by david
“The CEO with the power to grant his own 2000% pay raise is stealing from the shareholders. Whatever happened to all that Shareholders Rights crap the Republicans were so hot about in 1994? ”
CEO’s can’t grant themselves raises.
Only with the shareholder’s approval.
“AP) Shareholders of Exxon Mobil Corp., whose last chief executive took home $147 million when he retired, overwhelmingly rejected resolutions to rein in compensation at the oil company’s annual meeting on Wednesday”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/31/ap/business/mainD8HV0UK00.shtml
Hmmmm???? Shareholders REJECTED lowering CEO’s pay.
April 29th, 2007 at 9:07 pmComment by LibSlayer
It doesnt say stealth bombers either… it doesnt say nuclear weapons either… it doesnt say military bases in foriegn countries either…
April 29th, 2007 at 9:09 pm‘
Word games can easily be played both ways… it is better for all of us if you stick to reasoning and logic… and if you cant do that then it is better if you just shut up.
Again, the key here is that Rice is another BushCrimeCo (TM) LIAR.
If she can go on the Sunday news circuit,
SHE CAN GO IN FRONT OF CONGRESS. UNDER OATH.
Otherwise, she can join me in hell for ETERNITY…
See you in hell Condi and loogie slurper (cause I’LL be THERE), AND GET YOUR ASSES TO IRAQ, cause I need YOU to DIE for my LIES,
Mr. Bush
April 29th, 2007 at 9:10 pmMURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR TO THE USA (TM–BushCrimeCo)
I understand macro-economics more than well enough to know that it does NOT promote the general welfare, it HURTS the general-welfare.
Comment by LibSlayer
Is that why the middle class in America has had a level of comfort in life that no other human beings have every enjoyed in mass?
Before the democrats took the power away from the rich people lived a much lower standard of living.
April 29th, 2007 at 9:11 pmLibSlain, it is you who are imposing your Satanic faith on us. Please, go tell your cloven footed master that there is a nation on earth that believes in the Four Freedoms: Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Faith, Freedom from Want, and Freedom from Fear.
And Blix didn’t think there were any WMD. He was an honest inspector who did his work diligently. He pointed out where more research was necessary and where discrepancies needed to be resolved. But the WMD you claim existed were either old news or long destroyed or obsolete. (Anthrax has a short shelf life and so decade old anthrax would be a rather limited WMD.)
You’re a Nazi engaged in Big Lies, and repetitive lies. And you cliped the bit from the Constitution about taxes and providing for the general welfare, again. What a fraud you are! I hope the IRS knows about you as I bet your tax return could win a Pulitzer Prize — for fiction!
April 29th, 2007 at 9:12 pmComment by Gerald Gibson Jr
“Is that why the middle class in America has had a level of comfort in life that no other human beings have every enjoyed in mass?
Before the democrats took the power away from the rich people lived a much lower standard of living.”
Actually, no they didn’t, they had the highest standard of living in the world, all thanks to FREEDOM.
April 29th, 2007 at 9:13 pmComment by Gerald Gibson Jr
It doesnt say stealth bombers either… it doesnt say nuclear weapons either… it doesnt say military bases in foriegn countries either…
‘
“To raise and support armies,”
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html#section8
April 29th, 2007 at 9:15 pmComment by david
LibSlain, it is you who are imposing your Satanic faith on us.
By following the Constitution, just exactly what would I impose upon you?
NOTHING.
April 29th, 2007 at 9:16 pmAnd let me guess, the CEO of ExxonMobil held enough proxy votes to make it possible to give himself a raise. Hahaha.
I’ve long held that corporations should be forced onto the one shareholder/one vote system. Currently it’s one share/one vote. And I suggest this to stop business from trying to make the rich more influential in government. We are all equal stakeholders in a democracy.
April 29th, 2007 at 9:18 pmApparently liberals have chained LibSlain to it’s computer on a lovely Sunday afternoon.
April 29th, 2007 at 9:20 pmComment by david
“And Blix didn’t think there were any WMD. ”
THE SECURITY COUNCIL, 27 JANUARY 2003:
AN UPDATE ON INSPECTION by Dr. Hans Blix
“There are strong indications that Iraq produced more anthrax than it declared, and that at least some of this was retained after the declared destruction date. It might still exist.â€
“The document indicates that 13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi Air Force between 1983 and 1988, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tonnes. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, we must assume that these quantities are now unaccounted for.â€
http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/Bx27.htm
April 29th, 2007 at 9:20 pmLibSlain, you must be giving Condi lying lessons. Just how long is your nose? I bet you could pleasure Condi with it.
April 29th, 2007 at 9:21 pmComment by david
“I’ve long held that corporations should be forced onto the one shareholder/one vote system. Currently it’s one share/one vote. And I suggest this to stop business from trying to make the rich more influential in government. We are all equal stakeholders in a democracy.”
It isn’t government that people have bougt shares in, it is a business, and the shareholders VOTED to keep the CEO’s pay high.
April 29th, 2007 at 9:23 pmUNDER OATH, Condi.
Remember, Tony Snow is about to DIE, and his LYING will DAMN HIM ETERNALLY.
YOU, Condi, have a CHOICE.
You can TELL THE TRUTH to Congress, or you can join me in hell.
See YOU in hell for sure LoogieSlurper (cause I’LL be THERE),
Mr. Bush
April 29th, 2007 at 9:23 pmMURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR TO THE USA (TM–BushCrimeCo)
Comment by david
“LibSlain, you must be giving Condi lying lessons. Just how long is your nose? I bet you could pleasure Condi with it.”
And yet you can’t present ANY evidence of a lie on my part or Rice’s.
April 29th, 2007 at 9:24 pmComment by Zooey
“Apparently liberals have chained LibSlain to it’s computer on a lovely Sunday afternoon.”
No, it is by free CHOICE, something liberals are against.
April 29th, 2007 at 9:25 pmBraid Faire – Glad you’re back – Did TP let you off double secret probation?
April 29th, 2007 at 9:27 pmAnd yet you can’t present ANY evidence of a lie on my part or Rice’s.
Comment by LibSlayer
I haven’t seen any proof from you of how liberals have destroyed the Constitution — other than your whining, of course.
April 29th, 2007 at 9:27 pmComment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell
“YOU, Condi, have a CHOICE.
You can TELL THE TRUTH to Congress, ”
She already has told the truth.
April 29th, 2007 at 9:29 pmNo, it is by free CHOICE, something liberals are against.
Comment by LibSlayer
Did I say I was against you being here? No, I did not.
If you’re here, the rest of the world gets a break from you.
Knockyourself out, sweetie darling.
April 29th, 2007 at 9:29 pmComment by Zooey
“Did I say I was against you being here? No, I did not.
If you’re here, the rest of the world gets a break from you.
Knockyourself out, sweetie darling.”
I didn’t say you were against me being here, I said you are against free choice.
April 29th, 2007 at 9:33 pm“Unbe loves and defends the UN.
Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 4:17 pm”
Your reading comprehension skills SUCK!
That’s not what I was going. I was debunking your talking points about the UN buying into the lies about Iraq having WMD. By the way – yu know that Iraq doesn’t have them right? Not in over 15 years….
Just because you think running in circles confuses us so that we’ll miss that you cannot offer any arguments of substance doesn’t mean you’re right. You never are.
Freak
April 29th, 2007 at 9:33 pm#338 – Hint to David - Calling conservatives Nazi’s has been just a tad overdone on this site. Yawwwn….. (It’s kind of like the continual rant of the word “racist”. Sadly, that word has lost its’ punch!)
I’ll save you the embarrassment of people scrolling through your “observations” (like most people do with vulgar little VVGFU) without the benefit of gaining your insight.
#347- Let me guess – your idea of a super-patriot is Harry “throw in the towel” Reid?
April 29th, 2007 at 9:34 pmI didn’t say you were against me being here, I said you are against free choice.
Comment by LibSlayer
How would you know anything about me?
April 29th, 2007 at 9:36 pm“Now, I’m off to take in the sunshine.
Comment by Freaked-Out Canadian — April 29, 2007 @ 4:22 pm”
I totally agree that the most powerful nations should also be the most educated… unfortunately, the reverse seems to be true…
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I live in a red state (for now), so I figure I’m helping to even out the odds. :)
Really nice talking to you. Let’s doing it again :)
April 29th, 2007 at 9:37 pmLoogieSlurper,
WHEN did she TESTIFY before Congress???
Seems that she has been SUBPOENAED, because SHE has NOT turned over ALL THE DOCUMENTS REQUESTED, which by LAW, MUST BE COMPLIED WITH.
UNDER OATH, Condi.
And by the way, WHY wouldn’t Bush and Cheney TESTIFY UNDER OATH TO THE 9/11 Commission?
i.e. SWEAR TO GOD TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE USA about their involvement with the Bin Ladens and the Saudi TERRORIST FINANCIERS?
Don’t bother to use the “executive privilege” bullzhit, either.
TRAITOR Reagan (Iran/Contra) and Bill Clinton (Monica Lewinsky) BOTH testified UNDER OATH, so PRECEDENT is set…
April 29th, 2007 at 9:37 pm
“do you have allegiance to the UNITED STATES? This isn’t a complicated question.
Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 4:23 pm”
Neither are those that I have asked you, which you continue to dodge. Anwer mine and I’ll answer yours.
April 29th, 2007 at 9:38 pm“There’s a reason MA’s MySpace page says she is like Ann Coulter… both fake women? It’s kind of hard to tell by her pictures as she is so emaciated there aren’t any female characteristics left visible.
Comment by SKdeA — April 29, 2007 @ 5:05 pm”
LOL… and true :)
April 29th, 2007 at 9:43 pm“I am atheist.
Comment by LibSlayer — April 29, 2007 @ 5:23 pm”
Liar. Atheists are thinkers (opposite of believers). You are no thinker. You just said that to avoid a religious dialog which you would lose.
April 29th, 2007 at 9:47 pmApparently all someone had to do to get rid of LibStain was point out that liberals had chained him to his computer all afternoon. Heh.
Yeah, I’m taking credit for that. :D
April 29th, 2007 at 9:48 pm“I swear…comments like this make me wonder sometimes if there isn’t a juxtiposition between two dimensions that meet from time to time, resulting in just these kinds of absolutely opposite versions of reality.
Comment by impeachcheneythenbush — April 29, 2007 @ 6:27 pm”
Agreed… I tend to see it as some evolution and de-evolution of the human brain from use and lack of use (like the appendix and coccyx)
The Progressives here totally destroyed his weak argument, as usual, and yet they are in such denial they refuse to accept that they’ve been marginalized… Creepy…
April 29th, 2007 at 10:04 pm(It’s kind of like the continual rant of the word “racistâ€. Sadly, that word has lost its’ punch!)
Comment by valiant venus #355
…No it hasn’t…
…you racists THINK you can dilute the power of its negativity by simple “declaration”…
…but you STILL run from it (what you are)…
because you know that your time is OVER…
…your karma is rotten…
…and YOU and your lineage (who try to carry on your vile “Superiority” identity through stealth and misdirection)…
…will be destroyed…
…You’ve got it DOUBLY bad (vv) being both a right wing conned’eslf-serving TRAITOR AND racist…
…both POWERFULLY condemning character flaws…
April 29th, 2007 at 10:04 pm#323
In my ideal world everybody is FREE to CHOOSE for themselves how they want to be charitable, WHEN they want to be charitable, to WHOM they want to be chartibla.
In my world we are FREE to CHOOSE for ourselves, rather than have the government impose that choice upon us.
In your ideal world, can we choose not to be charitable to war profiteers who put their puppets in government, whip up a nice big war, and then suck the taxpayers dry with no-bid contracts, fraud, waste, and abuse?
I didn’t think so.
April 29th, 2007 at 10:05 pmRe: LibSlayer
April 29th, 2007 at 10:09 pmEvery so often some reichwing shill appears on this blog with names like “IHateLiberals,” “LiberalsHeartTerrorists,” “Liberalism=MentalDisease,” etc. I am fairly sure these are all the same person, just posting under different names. He/she will go away soon but come back with yet another “cute” moniker. Let’s try not to feed this troll (though I realize it’s sometimes hard to resist).
#354 vv
Let me guess – your idea of a super-patriot is Harry “throw in the towel†Reid?
I guess yours must be George “We’re not leaving Iraq until every last one of your kids is dead” Bush.
April 29th, 2007 at 10:10 pm…both POWERFULLY condemning character flaws…
Comment by big papa
Well said, big papa.
April 29th, 2007 at 10:14 pmUnbe – In the past I have answered your questions and am met with your sweeping generalizations. Most amusing of all are your pronouncements re: my motivation – which you know nothing about, or “LIAR” (veeeery clever). My question to you was simple and one which I would think you would enjoy sharing with brilliant, atheist Progressives everywhere.
Do you have allegiance to the United States of America?
Re: your critique of Scott Pellys’ interviewing technique with George Tenet. All I can say is THANK GOD Scott is a journalist and is not in charge of watching the prisoners!!!!!!!!!
April 29th, 2007 at 10:25 pmUnbe – BTW, atheists don’t believe in God – period. That someone doesn’t “think” like you does not preclude them being an atheist. My favourite atheist groups are the Brights and Secular Humanists – you gotta admire their chutzpah……
April 29th, 2007 at 10:29 pmUnbe – In the past I have answered your questions and am met with your sweeping generalizations. Most amusing of all are your pronouncements re: my motivation – which you know nothing about, or “LIAR†(veeeery clever). My question to you was simple and one which I would think you would enjoy sharing with brilliant, atheist Progressives everywhere. Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 10:25 pm
Ah, the CLASSIC PROJECTIONS of the resident Ann Coulter clone, and Anorexic St*pid c*nt. Just earlier in this THREAD, you posted typical SWEEPING GENERALIZATIONS, and ATTACKS on MY (progressive) motivations and attitudes.
You really are SUCH a ST*PID LITTLE HYPOCRITICAL C*NT…
Do you have allegiance to the United States of America? Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 10:25 pm
Do YOU? You hate all of the LIBERAL values that make the us different from your UTOPIAN RELIGIOUS experiment that more closely resembles Bin Laden’s dreams, than the AMERICAN dream. Then again, your only ALLEGIANCE that seems consistent is to ISRAEL… How SAD!
Re: your critique of Scott Pellys’ interviewing technique with George Tenet. All I can say is THANK GOD Scott is a journalist and is not in charge of watching the prisoners!!!!!!!!! Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 10:25 pm
All I can say is THANK (CHANCE) that your job is commodities trader, and not DEFENDING AMERICA – you NAZI B*TCH.
April 29th, 2007 at 10:32 pm“do you have allegiance to the UNITED STATES? This isn’t a complicated question. Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 4:23 pmâ€
The better question is DO YOU? If the US decided that the only way to protect our nation, were to destroy the nation of Israel, where would your loyalties lie? Thanks for your avoidance of this SIMPLE question. We already KNOW the answer, st*pid hypocritical c*nt. All you can do, is typical REPUBLICAN doublespeak. Accuse OTHERS of your SINS. You’re just another FoleyCrat – st*pid c*nt.
April 29th, 2007 at 10:33 pmUnbe – BTW, atheists don’t believe in God – period. Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
Actually athiests believe we don’t know if there’s a god or not, as that’s a ‘belief’ versus a ‘fact’.
That someone doesn’t “think†like you does not preclude them being an atheist. Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
But someone that doesn’t “think” is more suited to being a religious zealot like yourself. That’s why you wingnuts will blow up abortion clinics, while *claiming* you’re saving lives!
My favourite atheist groups are the Brights and Secular Humanists – you gotta admire their chutzpah…… Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
No, what takes chutzpah, is a wingnut like you that *still* defends the lies, incompetence, and lunacy of wingnut religious people. Then again, you ARE a wingnut religious zealot – so why wouldn’t you defend your like minded wingnuts?
April 29th, 2007 at 10:36 pm#370, 371 – Better go talk to Mom – your Tourette’s is acting up….you poor little thing…..
April 29th, 2007 at 10:38 pmNo surprise, you’re mistaken….again.
“Agnosticism (from the Greek a, meaning “without”, and Gnosticism or gnosis, meaning knowledge) means unknowable, and is the philosophical view that the truth value of certain claims—particularly theological claims regarding metaphysics, afterlife or the existence of God, god(s), or deities—is unknown or, depending on the form of agnosticism, inherently unknowable.”
To recap – Agnostics aren’t sure about the existence of God. Atheists say they are SURE……
Thanks for playing….
April 29th, 2007 at 10:41 pm#370, 371 – Better go talk to Mom – your Tourette’s is acting up….you poor little thing….. Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
Says the st*pid c*nt, whose tourettes syndrome makes her look like a st*pid nazi b*tch propaganda reel on permanent loop.
Hypocrite, stop projecting your own lunatic sickness on others.
April 29th, 2007 at 10:47 pmDo you have allegiance to the United States of America?
Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 10:25 pm
And Varmint Genus, hours later, is still here spouting the same old tired nonsense and peddling her own very personal brand of stupidity.
Varmint Genus, even the terminally stupid like yourself should be able to make the distinction between country and leader.
For example, if the Dear (mis)Leader says “let’s invade Iraq!”, the allegiance to my country dictates I question the wisdom of that action.
If the Dear (mis)Leader says “Here is the evidence we should invade Iraq” it is my duty as a citizen of a democracy to question the validity of such evidence; specially if I find it wanting.
The reason for my questions is simple, and can be summarised thus: Would the Dear (mis)Leader’s proposed course of action cause detriment to the nation I have owed allegiance to?
In short, Varmint Genus/Mitey Coprolite, owing allegiance to a country is most definitely not the same thing as blindly following in whatever way the Dear (Mis)Leader tells us to go.
I know you will find my post a tad inscrutable, because followers like yourself have imprinted the equation leader=country=patriotism in your teeny, tiny, little mass of cells you call brain -leaving very little room for anything else.
April 29th, 2007 at 10:48 pmYes, I’m pretty sure Valiant Venus, Valiantthehater, and LibSlayer are some tagteam of Republican Youths doing duty repeating lies and trying ti distract, distort, and disgust.
There’s another goofy bio out about Churchill by an American. What is the American obsession with Churchill. Only old farts worship that SOB in his home country. He was a racist, imperialist, and a disaster at war strategy. Americans read only a whitewashed version of his life and don’t know that back in 1933 he was consider Britain’s version of a Nazi. (Sorry to bring that old word up, but it’s true.)
Churchill –and a member of the Churchill Society once stood up at the annual banquet and made the Freudian slip of toasting Hitler– advocated gassing the Iraqis in the 1920s and urged the aerial bombardment of the civilian population; he had the army put down strikes by Welsh miners; he thought Gandhi should be murdered; he was against giving the colonies independence; he planned the disasterous Dardanelles campaign (i.e. Gallipolli); and his military officers complained about his meddling during WWII (thank goodness he spent most of the war drunk). When the war appeared over, the British people turfed him and embraced socialism. They knew a crypto-fascist when they saw one.
People like Condi and Bush and Cheney use Churchill as a cover. They can hide their racism, their imperialism, their militaristic adventurism behind the bulldog pluck of this British fraud. Churchill’s opposition to Chamberlain’s appeasement policy wasn’t as noble as we are told. It was because he feared competition, not the inhumanity of Nazism. He championed the Nazi-sypathizing Duke of Windsor. He was a vile opportunist.
I mention all this because these neo-cons love to distort and rewrite history. And they seem determined to paint themselves as the saviors of democracy and freedom. But these too are lies. The only people they want to be free are themselves; and the only type of government they approve is an oligarchy. They would prefer a government of rich, white men. And they’ve nearly got it too. But they just can’t keep the truth down. It will out. And we all can see what liars they are.
April 29th, 2007 at 10:51 pmLib, just puch out on the clock and go home buddy. You’ve earned your bloody pay for today.
April 29th, 2007 at 10:54 pmTo recap – Agnostics aren’t sure about the existence of God. Atheists say they are SURE…… Thanks for playing…. Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 10:41 pm
This isn’t bingo – st*pid c*nt. How old are you really? I’m afraid that 24 years old seems *generous*, considering your stunted level of mental development.
Are you really going to lecture an atheist like unbelievable on the *nature* of atheism? Well, I do guess that’s fair play, considering how christo(judeo)fascists like yourself have been the worst threat to modern civilization for at least 100 years.
I can see how you’d want to attack others, considering the blood that’s on your own hands. Poor little self loathing, st*pid c*nt! I hope you *pray* to your favorite deity, because someone as evil, spiteful and immoral as you NEEDS a good to feel good about yourself? Don’t you little loser girl?
Eat something, will you? Being Anorexic isn’t *pretty*, any more than your comments are *smart*. You’ve confused *pretty-disgusting* with *pretty*, and *smart-*ss* with *smart* in your fits of hunger…
Toodles all over you cheek, dum bass!
April 29th, 2007 at 10:56 pmLeave Ol’ Aphrodite alone and she’ll disappear into the background noise…..like a seagull at the beach, squacking and defecating.
Oh yeah, and I’m an agnostic.
April 29th, 2007 at 10:59 pmMy favourite atheist groups are the Brights and Secular Humanists – you gotta admire their chutzpah…… Comment by valiant venus — April 29, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
Actually chutzpah, is a wingnut like you, BELIEVING you’re moral and know the nature of God and Religion, and the Universe based on a 3500-2000 year old set of literature, written by a bunch of goat herder Bedouins who’s idea of *morality* was to genocide their neighbors for their land, and to sell children into marriage or slavery.
Now that’s *chutzpah*, st*pid c*nt.
April 29th, 2007 at 11:03 pmAll of the trolls posting here continue to hide, as the cowards they are and as GW does, behind the dead bodies of our soldiers fighting in Iraq.
All of them want more and more people killed so that they (the neocons) save face and can be seen as right.
There is no challenge that they will not meet with the blood of others.
April 29th, 2007 at 11:05 pmThe posts from LibSlayer on Iraq, the WMD, the inspections, etc. are about as divorced from reality as you can get.
He belongs to that very small percentage of the FoxNews-watching, Bush-worshiping American public who still think the WMD were found in Iraq after the invasion.
What a sad case of separation from the real world.
April 29th, 2007 at 11:29 pmSo keep on rakin’ in the blood money, trolls!
April 29th, 2007 at 11:29 pmComment by Zooey #367
Thanks Zooey…
…maybe you could do a “profile” on vv…
…once you’ve completed your training… :-)
April 29th, 2007 at 11:35 pmI see the bi*ch (vv) has no defense…
…for its racist, TREASONOUS, right wing inbred conned’self-serving…
…”superiority” complex…
April 29th, 2007 at 11:39 pmThanks Zooey…
…maybe you could do a “profile†on vv…
…once you’ve completed your training… :-)
Comment by big papa
Heh.
I think it’s required that I actually care about the subject. And like I always say, there are somethings I don’t want running around my brain.
April 30th, 2007 at 12:02 am:P
Don’t tell me, you studied Constitutional Law at Regent’s University?
Is there anything in the Constitution about Highways? Railroads? Air Force? Marines? Coast Guard? Food and Drug inspections? How about marijuana? Why the heck is Congress keeping people from smoking pot? And marriage? What’s up with trying to regulate marriage?
Note that Congress has the power to declare War, but cannot declare Peace.
And if we have “free speach” how come I can’t yell “fire” in a crowded theater?
If I have the right to bear arms, why can’t I own a tank if I can afford one? Why did Congress outlaw that?
How come Congress can regulate schools? Education isn’t in the Constitution!
For that matter, the Constitution does not grant the individual an express right to vote!
April 30th, 2007 at 12:06 amBriseadh na Faire,
LibStutter sounds more and more like a “Constitutionalist” who makes up his own driver’s license and plates, and whines about social programs. He would renounce his American citisenship, but he really needs the Social Security because he never saved a dime in his life. You know, a hypocrite.
April 30th, 2007 at 12:16 amNot since the passage of the Military Commissions Act of 2006. Once the government declares you to be an “enemy combatant” you no longer have the protection of the law. And that declaration can be made based upon classified evidence. You’ll never know why you were thrown in prison. But then, the Constitution doesn’t grant an explicit right to Habeas Corpus.
April 30th, 2007 at 12:16 amGrgrrr – Thanks for picking up Unbe’s mantle. I don’t disagree with your points on blind allegiance. I don’t agree with much our government does, but I obey the laws, hope we kill our deadly enemies here and abroad and believe in the underlying goodness of the US and the majority of her people. I don’t believe believe people who disagree with my views on religion or politics are bad or evil – unlike many posters here.
Earp – I’m not surprised you’re an agnostic……frankly, I would be surprised to discover you had a definite conclusion.
Goood night~!
April 30th, 2007 at 12:21 amBecause, with freedom comes responsibility. Total freedom of choice is anarchy. And under anarchy, he who controls the most firepower has the most freedom of choice.
The good citizens of Iraq are free to run their lives with little or no government intervention. It’s a perfect microcosm of the resulting society when given too much freedom and too little responsibility.
If you remove the social safety nets of healthcare and welfare, you return us to a period of civil unrest and massive riots.
Given the freedom to choose to be charitible, not enough who can afford to do so will do so. The net result is such an imbalance in the concentration of wealth and resources that the have nots will rebel and violently overthrow the haves. The only mechanism to counter the tendency for the wealthy few to hoard resources is via government action to redistribute a portion of their wealth by rule of law.
If this is not accomplished through the rule of law, it will be accomplished through violent means. So you can complain all you want about not having the freedom to be greedy. Meanwhile, the government is forcing you to part with some of what you earn, so that others do not come and kill you and your family and take it from you.
How long do you think this country would survive, if all taxes were voluntary?
April 30th, 2007 at 12:29 amAnd Labor Unions!
April 30th, 2007 at 12:32 amWho said I was saying anything about my religion?
April 30th, 2007 at 12:37 amComment by valiant venus — April 30, 2007 @ 12:21 am
If this is you:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=79943506
I just want you to know, I will help, as I am able. If you wish.
April 30th, 2007 at 12:43 amComment by valiant venus — April 30, 2007 @ 12:21 am
I don’t know who in the world you think you are fooling. You are certainly not fooling me.
Time and again you have questioned the patriotism of those who disagree with Pres Bush and have repeatedly accused them of being in collusion with AlQaeda, and traitors to the US.
Your rhetoric gets worse whenever you think it’s time we follow your Dear (mis)Leader. You may want to pretend you don’t remember, but I remember.
As for obeying the laws, nowhere in the US laws does it say anything about being compliant to whatever whims your Dear (mis)Leader happens to have -like ignoring the laws he is supposed to uphold, and launching a war of wanton aggression.
Instead of showing any capacity for introspection, you are here, yet again, distracting and changing the subject. Is it any surprise people on this board mock you?
…sshhesshh….
April 30th, 2007 at 12:45 amThe trolls on this site would have fit in quite well when the Nazis were taking over Germany. If they could only step back and read their delusional posts of apology for the lackey in the White House and his illegal and immoral war in Iraq they might see that they are the fascists in this conversation.
April 30th, 2007 at 12:52 amNotice that LoogieSlurper NEVER responded to Rice TESTIFYING UNDER OATH before Congress.
Nor WHY Bush and Cheney REFUSED to testify UNDER OATH to the 9/11 Commission.
Which shows that they are TRAITORS to the USA.
Deflect with bullzhit, yes, but if Bush and Cheney have “allegiance” to the USA, WHY did they refuse to SWEAR TO GOD TO TELL the TRUTH???
THAT tells it ALL…
April 30th, 2007 at 1:37 amGrgrrr – Thanks for picking up Unbe’s mantle. I don’t disagree with your points on blind allegiance. I don’t agree with much our government does, Comment by valiant venus — April 30, 2007 @ 12:21 am
You don’t agree with MUCH of what the government does, and you claim it’s WE that blame the US FIRST!! BAHAHAHA, no projection there!
but I obey the laws, hope we kill our deadly enemies here and abroad and believe in the underlying goodness of the US and the majority of her people. I don’t believe believe people who disagree with my views on religion or politics are bad or evil – unlike many posters here. Comment by valiant venus — April 30, 2007 @ 12:21 am
Yet you whine, and b*tch that liberals are bad and evil, and that we’re supporting terrorists, or that we’re commies that are going to kill everyone. So actually you DO say the things you say you don’t. St*pid lying little c*nt.
Earp – I’m not surprised you’re an agnostic……frankly, I would be surprised to discover you had a definite conclusion. Goood night~!
Comment by valiant venus — April 30, 2007 @ 12:21 am
The girl who can’t decide if she’s a Jew or a Christian, accuses others of not being able to CONCLUDE their religious beliefs! Now that’s RICH!!!
BAHAHAHAHA St*pid c*nt.
April 30th, 2007 at 2:11 amHans Blix and his team knew just like the rest of us that the US was out to construct some excuse to get the war they wanted and would stop at nothing to get it: torturing, lying, bribing alcoholics, forging documents or just copy old essays from schoolboys.
For Hans Blix to hold op the charade and provide for a legal pretence through the UN during the critical timeframe he is not much less to blame for what followed from his actions than the more obvious liars as Colin Powellpoint, Slamdunk Tenet and the rest of these cowardly facilitators who cant even find the guts to admit to themselves their utter failure as human beings, instead never missing an oppertunity to blame someone else.
Then far, far beneath that level of humanity is the category in which Condoleezza Rice fits. These are the spawn of the hell inside their skulls, that are engaged in a “long war” against humanity itself.
Yet one may never, ever, ever forgive the UN even though it might never have had a chance for its failure to even put up some resemblance of a serious effort to stop the warcrime of Agression by it’s most powerful and agressive member as in a cowardly manner mentioned by then SG Kofi Annan, barely heard, certainly not enough to enter the consciousness of the pulic at large, but enough for him to get vilified by the pro-war crowd each and every occasion afterward.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:12 amsay it under oath, condi or stfu
April 30th, 2007 at 6:32 amRice is a bald faced liar. What do we expect? That she will admit she is a mouthpiece for a gang of war criminals who orchestrated a campaign of big lies about Saddam’s WMD and “imminent danger” to incite and justify an aggressive neo-colonialist war to privatize Iraq’s oil and economy and install a client regieme as a part of their campaign to dominate the Mid-East and the world? Bush and Cheney must be impeached for their crimes of lying to the world and American people to wage their aggressive war in Iraq. And waging an aggressive war of conquest which has killed hundreds of thousands of people. Only an impeachment process with the hearings, testimony, and exposure it will bring can weaken them politically sufficiently to prevent them from escalating their campaign for a “new American Century” by bombing and invading Iran. Not for nothing are they spinning the same WMD-nuclear weapons lies about Iran that they did about Iraq, waging the same UN campaign they did against Iraq (with the same complicity thus far of the Security Council plus Germany), bringing aircraft carrier task forces and Patriot anti-missile forces to the Persian Gulf, and blaming Iran for American and British losses in Iraq. If they or the Israelis bomb Iran it will be a disaster that will make Iraq thus far look like child’s play. The Iranians and their allies in Lebanon, Iraq, and the Occupied Palestinian Territories will retalitate valiantly, desparately, and ferociously there and in the Persian Gulf. Bombing Iran will no more defeat, overthrow or isolate the Tehran government than Israeli bombing of Lebanon defeated or isolated Hezbollah last summer. A land invasion will follow, just as the Israelis invaded Lebanon after their air war failed to crush and isolate Hezbollah. The whole Muslim world will be inflamed against the US and see that the main forces fighting the US and supporting the mainly Sunni Palestinians are the Shia of Iran, Iraq, and Lebanon. Shia-Sunni differences will become secondary and the US will be utterly isolated and wildly overextended. Bush and Cheney must be stopped. And the only hope of doing it is impeachment.
April 30th, 2007 at 8:26 ambut isreal has WMD’s dont they. isnt isreal a threat to about all thier neighboring nations? come on MZ RICE, tell us isreal has NO WMD’s when the world knows darn well the military industrial complex gave them mega-tons. it’d be just as good a lie as what she is always telling anyway. refusing to show up for ‘court’ or a ‘hearing’ and she’s not jailed for contempt if nothing else, whats really going on with justice?!
April 30th, 2007 at 9:07 ammakes me sorry I was born here seeing this happening to what once had a reputation as a decent country and about all of em in congress are either complicit or completely gelded.
“Intelligence problem worldwide” huh ??? Anyway this is lady is west of time.
What still amazes me is how ill prepared the interviewer are-in this case this Wolf guy- don’t they do their homework before starting the interview ? don’t they keep archive of related past history on the subject matter? do they know anything about rebutting a answer ?
It almost looks like they (CNN and MSM) are giving this people – manipulative and lying- a stage.
April 30th, 2007 at 9:36 amIn the same interview she claimed a definitive UN authorization for the Iraq invasion was in place. This is false.
April 30th, 2007 at 9:49 amGet ready to testify, Beeech .
April 30th, 2007 at 9:51 amwhen will anyone ask her about the aluminum tubes?
April 30th, 2007 at 10:19 amwow….shall we put up all the quotes from ex-President Clinton, to Pelosi, to John Kerry, to John Edwards and the rest of the Democratic politicians who claimed Saddam Hussein had WMDs LONG BEFORE Bush took office?
Please thinkprogress.org, you are (as always) speaking in half-truths.
the world, yes the whole world did believe that Hussein had WMDs.
but here just for your readers pleasure. I know thinkprogress.org would never dream, ever of putting this up on their site.
read and educate yourself thinkprogress.org. Here are a few quotes about WMDs………
where Democratic politicians lying?
“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real…”
– Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source
“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
– Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source
“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”
– President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source
“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
– President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source
“We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction.”
– Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source
“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
– Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source
“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
Letter to President Clinton.
– (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source
“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
– Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source
“Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”
– Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source
“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them.”
– Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source
“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
– Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”
– Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source
“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…”
– Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source
“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
– Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source
“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.”
April 30th, 2007 at 12:24 pm– Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source
Look, Condi is a liar of the worse sort. She makes Joseph Goebbles smile in his grave. She is also a traitor of the USA, constitution/bill of rights, and a co-conspirator to war crimes. There is no more analyzing what she had said or what this administatration had said. We the people know what she and this current administration had said and we know that they had lied and mislead us into an illegal war of aggression. Also, I do not let the democrats off the hook as well.
April 30th, 2007 at 12:31 pmThe problem with intelligence was in Condi’s office, and Bush’s office.
UNDER OATH or UNDER ARREST.
April 30th, 2007 at 1:40 pmResponsibility for the poor has a long history in English common law. And that word “welfare†is right there in the Constitution. That’s where the idea of the welfare state comes from. Think Commonwealth, which is what Kentucky, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and Virginia have always called themselves.
That’s common weal or wellbeing. And not every man for himself.
Comment by david — April 29, 2007 @ 8:42 pm
Not only in the common law; also in statute. And that started in, as example, Mass-Bay colony, long before the Constitution was even a dream.
And those who framed the Constitution were Liberals, not “Libertarians,” because the latter did not exist, except perhaps behind the label TORY.
According to Chritianity, there are seven deadly sins. One of those is greed. Thus Reagan’s “Greed is good” is the word of the anti-Christ. Are the words of self-destruction.
April 30th, 2007 at 1:47 pmOkay, so lets take a look at what Libslayer is saying:
He is saying that FDR and LBJ altered the US constitution in a manner which was detrimental to America.
FDR was from 1933 to 1945 (He actually won another term, but died before taking it. Just goes to show how rabidly unpopular a leader he was.)
Anyway, lets look at the US Constitutional amendments, as amendments would be the vehicle of such damaging changes, during this period.
We will leave out XX, it is boring and all about the presidential succession.
Lets instead go to the only other example…
Amendment XXI
Section 1. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.
Section 2. The transportation or importation into any state, territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited.
Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several states, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the states by the Congress.
Okay, judging from Libslayer’s rants, we hereby note that he is in favour of taking away your right to drink. Yep, that is the sum total of the constitutional amendments proposed by FDR, which do not concern presidential succession.
And before you go into it, the US constitution says this about taxation prior to 1964:
Amendment XVI
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
I would say taking a constitutionalist stand against taxes when it comes to FDR is just about shot to hell right now.
Anyway, next ups LBJ 1963–1969
Amendment XXIV
Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Wait, what is this, a piece of legislation which states that not paying your taxes is NOT grounds for taking your vote away? Oh gee whiz, hold on here baby we are DEFINITELY in evil tax-loving territory here aren’t we?/ sarcasm.
And Amendment XXV, which again deals with presidential succession, changes part 3 of XX and doesn’t actually seem anything more then innocous to me.
So, lets see, what is LBJ’s known saving grace? He enforced:
Amendment XV
Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Which dates back to 1870.
April 30th, 2007 at 2:26 pm“..the world, yes the whole world did believe that Hussein had WMDs.”
says vallianthehater and quotes some US politicians preceived not te be belonging to the side of his or her political preference.
I do not care on whit about the possibility of minute differences between the two sectarian flavours of the single American party. For me it is all unintelligible gibberish.
But to say the whole world believed Hussein had WMD’s and that’s somehow a case for the US (or any other Agressor) to invade and occupy Iraq you will have to disregard somewhere about 80% of the globe and that is counting in all the sick fucks who support any US war for some dollars, a position at some US controlled international institution or even for a photo with the present White House monkey.
Politicians are sacks of shite everywhere. However the polls showed a distinct failure of the relentless and unimaginable costly international propaganda campaign after a year and somewhat ever increasing media-hysteria huge majorities were still against the US attacking Iraq.
In fact unprecedented pre-war demonstrations against the war were organized throughout the whole world and inside the US they were also quite large, contrasting there with the tiny and ridiculously pathetic pro-war demonstrations in a heart-warming manner.
So get all your Gopdems en Demgops and put them against the wall before the world’s lousiest firing squad and if they’re finished take our criminals too.
April 30th, 2007 at 5:14 pmThe only thing that surprised me about the WMD issues, is that the British and American’s didn’t plant some and dig it up, though I presume the thinking would be that could lead to people asking where it came from, which could only be the British or Americans.
As the corporate media is so tightly controlled, perhaps we could look for any good doctors out there. Much of the world consider Bush is insane (at best), with Blair is licking round his heels (to put it politely), surely there must be a few good medicos out their who can sign a piece of paper and see that their criminal insanity receives appropriate attention?
April 30th, 2007 at 5:31 pmbut now that you know the truth, Condi, that the intel was erroneous, you will apologize
right, bitch
and pay reparations
and then hang at Nuremberg
April 30th, 2007 at 11:12 pmnow that you know the intel was erroneous, Condi, apologize, pay reparations, and report to Nuremberg for trial
May 1st, 2007 at 12:04 amamericans need to understand that their country was founded as a constitutional republic. the very proof of that is the constitution and the bill of rights. the clinton and both bush administrations have done everything in their power to destroy the founding documents of what was the greatest country the world had ever known {patriot act any one?}. they do not uphold the constitution or the bill of rights so there fore can not and should not be considered representitives of the american people. what they are however are representitives of the global elite {the rockefellers, rothschilds, warburgs, lazards and other international banking families}, the people at the very top of the food chain who are engaging in massive social engineering on a global scale. these banking families among others introduced the e.u {european union and the euro} to the nations of europe despite the fact that europeans overwhelmingly voted against it and didn’t want it. now they are doing the same to americans with the n.a.u {north american union} which looks at combining canade, america and mexico together under one currency {the amero} and having open borders between those three nations. this is happening as we speak but it is happening behind closed doors between the bush adminsitration and the worlds most powerfull trans-national corporations, who are at the same time rewritting american law. all the while the rockerfeller/rothschild owned and controlled main stream media won’t go near this story with a ten foot barge pole, because if they do americans would hit the streets in protest and their plans of global domination and absolute control and power would be interrupted. their blue prints for what they have planned for america in the next 20 years is only a stepping stone for the plans that they have for the rest of the world {forced sterilization, forced vaccinations for your childred, implanted micro-chips and a 90-95% global population reduction through engineeried viruses- google dr pianka}. if americans can wake up and save the bill of rights and save the constitution from these elite globalists then perhaps that will be the stepping stone for saving the rest of the world from the night marish visions that have been planned for us. i love america, the bill of rights, the constitution and im not even american. i love the american people for what their country stands for. truth, freedom, love, life and liberty. land of the free home of the brave, but under bush snr/clinton/bush jr it became america; land of the greed home of the slave. wake up america. stop watching mtv, e channel, stop worrying about what this celebrity is wearing or what they ate, or if they are argueing with another celebrity. stop worrying about the different ideology’s that “seperate us” because at the end of the day there is only tyranny vs liberty and we all want to be free. it starts with america and it has to start now.
May 1st, 2007 at 4:34 amThe American majority has zero faith in this administration. Meanwhile they have alienated us from the rest of the world. More importantly, pissing off Russia and the Saudis. China grows stronger by the day. Wait til the real oil wars start in Africa. Her mushroom cloud hypothesis may become reality, sooner than later.
May 1st, 2007 at 10:27 ami remember the news showing pictures of satelite images of nuclear sites where iraq had WMD’s, sent to the U.S by israel. iraq said israel was lying and the U.S took israels side. surprised? israel lied too and they need to be held accountable like everyone else.
May 1st, 2007 at 12:16 pm