Lieberman: ‘Bloggers Have Added Another Dimension of Vituperation Toxicity’ To Politics
Lieberman: ‘Bloggers Have Added Another Dimension of Vituperation Toxicity’ To Politics
Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) and House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) led a panel discussion today at the American Enterprise Institute discussing “options for restoring civility in American politics.”
Lieberman and Boehner both decried the harsh incivility in politics today while portraying themselves as paragons of independence and cordiality.
Lieberman described his own politics as “stand[ing] up for what I believe is right and…work[ing] across party lines to get things done.” As for the rest of politics, “The majority of people are sick of it. They think our political system is sick.” Lieberman blamed “attack ads, the kind of divisiveness of the cable news coverage of politics, talk radio,” and bloggers who “have added another dimension of vituperation toxicity to it.”
Boehner agreed, saying he has worked to “find ways of disagreeing without being disagreeable.” He asked innocently, “Where does all the partisanship come from?” and answered it by lamenting how blogs and other outlets have put “more information out in the public realm than there ever was, and some of it is to drive one point of versus other, dividing people more and more.” He called this the “breakdown of America.”
Watch it:
Iraq, more than any other issue, has contributed to the divisiveness in politics today. And on that issue, Lieberman and Boehner have acquiesced to a failing, unpopular Bush policy while demeaning those who sought to change it:
Lieberman:
Critics of Bush’s Iraq war strategy are engaging “in a kind of harassment.” [4/12/07]
Ned Lamont’s primary win “will be taken as a tremendous victory by the same people who wanted to blow up these planes in this plot hatched in England.” [8/10/06]
Boehner:
[The war critics' plan] provides a road map for terrorists. … It is a danger to both our troops engaged in combat and to the long-term security interests of American families. [3/22/07]
Unfortunately, the Democrats latest plan is an old twist on an old adage: failure at any cost. … Democrats are using the critical troop funding bill to micromanage the war on terror — undermining our generals on the ground and slowly choking off resources for our troops. [3/8/07]
People who oppose escalation are taking the “bait” of “al Qaeda and terrorist sympathizers” by using Iraq to “divide us here at home.” [2/13/07]
Transcript:
LIEBERMAN: I want to talk personally about this in two ways. One, to suggest that public opinion may not be totally as clear — as John suggested — as the polls show, which is that, yeah, the public is frustrated about the war. So are we. The public wants to get out as soon as possible. So do we. I don’t think the American people want to lose this war because I think they understand the consequences, and they certainly don’t want to undercut our troops in the field. Also, just to echo what John said, this is war, this is one the great responsibilities we are given as elected officials. We can’t hold our finger in the air or read public opinion polls to tell us where to go. My God, if those who preceded us had done that, forget where we’d be today, we wouldn’t be a nation, we wouldn’t be free today, you can go back over it. But let me go to last year real quickly, in my case. Obviously, the Democratic primary was mostly about one issue, the war. I felt so strongly about it I wasn’t going to change. I lost, I went on. If the people of Connecticut — if last year’s election in Connecticut was only about the Iraq war, I would have lost because the public opinion polls show clearly a majority in Connecticut are opposed to the war. But, you know, I made an appeal to the people. I said, I’m not going to promise you we’re going to agree all the time. I’m going to promise you I’m going to stand up for what I believe is right and I’m going to work across party lines to get things done. And they were good enough Democrats, independents, and Republicans — particularly the latter two groups — to give me their support to continue. And I do think there is a larger message here for our politics. I think the public is fed up. They feel that both the political parties, mostly because of the primaries, maybe because of attack ads, the kind of divisiveness of the cable news coverage of politics, talk radio, the bloggers have added another dimension of vituperation toxicity to it. The majority of people are sick of it. They think our political system is sick. I will just end with this warning that if the two major — the fastest growing political party in america is that no party. people are registering as an event is because they are fed up with — they don’t see them in the two major parties and they are sick of the kerri, the partisanship and on civility and i think if the two major parties wouldn’t hear this going into ‘08, there is a real chance of an independent third-party candidacy. and watch out if that happens.
BOEHNER: one of the points you make is — where does all the partisanship come from? the breakdown in america and — you could argue which came first the chicken or the eydie has invent the nafta campaigns. Or has it been this increasing polarization that we’ve seen over the last 20 years driven by 24-hour news networks, talk radio, blogs — they’ve got to have something there, so there is more information out in the public realm than there ever was, and some of it is to drive one point of versus other, dividing people more and more, and then you’ve got every interest group known to man out there drumming up their issues, on one side or the other. And while there may be a growing sense of independence of that, i haven’t seen it yet. because the other — when you push and pull and tug the american people it is about 46% republicans, about 46% democrat and about a% middle — so — what i have been trying to do over the last few years is to find ways of disagreeing without being disagreeable.
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VITUPERATIVE TOXICITY??? HOW ABOUT “HONESTY”, LIEBERMAN???
April 30th, 2007 at 3:52 pmThe fact is that the internet is “instantaneous” and provides immediate news, videos, clips, and transcripts…not to mention public records to the fingertips of the american people. No more chicanery in politics after this batch of crooks leaves, that’s for sure. No one can get away with anything these days….and that’s absolutely “wonderful”.
we’ve seen case after case of our leaders failing us, and telling us that the real problem isn’t their failures, it’s everyone talking about them.
there are two valid responses to this. 1. boo; and 2. hoo.
April 30th, 2007 at 3:52 pmVituperation Toxicity – - Joe, step away from the thesaurus.
April 30th, 2007 at 3:53 pmMore of the greatest hits of John Boehner:
“Rumsfeld is the best thing that’s happened to the Pentagon in 25 years.”
House Majority Leader John Boehner, (R-OH), October 29, 2006.
“I wonder if [Democrats] they’re more interested in protecting the terrorists than protecting the American people.”
House Majority Leader John Boehner (R-OH), September 12, 2006.
“He [Delay] has served our nation with integrity and honor.”
April 30th, 2007 at 3:54 pmHouse Majority Leader John Boehner, (R-OH), April 4, 2006
What Lieberman fails to recognise is that the bloggers of America, are actually normally the people of America.
What he also fails to recognise, is that he has, via his past performance, no grounds to speak about the conduct of others in public debate. The man is, in essence a wuss.
April 30th, 2007 at 3:55 pmVapid & Verbose. These are the panel selected to discuss the strategies to eliminate partinship? Happy Opposite day America.
April 30th, 2007 at 3:55 pmJoe Lieberman is an utterly repulsive piece of lying filth.
April 30th, 2007 at 3:55 pmSound like they dug up and hired Spiro Agnew’s speech writers.
April 30th, 2007 at 3:56 pm“House Majority Leader John Boehner (R-OH)”
I hate to break it to you, but Boehner’s the *Minority* Leader thanks to the elections last November. ;)
April 30th, 2007 at 3:58 pmAnd here I thought I was just a good American trying to be engaged on the issues of our time.
April 30th, 2007 at 3:58 pmActually, Lieberman lied and told the people of Connecticut he was for ending the war.
He *didn’t* tell them he meant *after* it became a beacon of democracy.
April 30th, 2007 at 3:58 pmCareful, Joe, your Rethuglican war buddies might think you’re an educated liberal type, using big words like that…..
April 30th, 2007 at 3:58 pmLIEberman needs to go make out with Bush again.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:01 pmPols like Lieberman hate bloggers because the Internet remembers forever. They can’t go around lying or flipflopping because now we can find out what they said and how they voted. That is why they hate blogs. The days of saying one thing back home and another thing in Washington are over.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:04 pmWhat utter trash – - no mention of Rush, Hannity, OReilly??
April 30th, 2007 at 4:04 pmI don’t think John Boehner is House Majority Leader anymore.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:05 pmThe blogosphere does allow more acerbic comments but, just as some have already shown above, it’s becoming the watch dog and historical record of what these pontificators say. Blogs point that out and have created a running list. You may have to dig thru some of the rougher blogs but “thar’s gold in them thar hills” and there is no turning back.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:05 pmBTW – - I can’t wait ’til after we gain 3 or 4 seats in ‘o8, and we can throw Joe out of the caucus.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:06 pmFlagitious Bush has in effect declared that the people of Iraq are the enemy. And flagitious Lieberman happily goose-steps reich along with these lying election-stealing war-mongering traitorous GOP thugs. Sieg Heils all around…
April 30th, 2007 at 4:08 pmJeebus, I hate these people. Let’s start with Lee Atwater and move on up to Karl Rove. Their whole strategy is to divide and conquer. That’s how they kept winning elections. Now the public is on to tactic and he wants “agreeable?”
April 30th, 2007 at 4:08 pmThe last thing that these warmongering cheerleaders wish to have happen is for people to begin, and to continue, to question the policies of the government during a time of war. Someone should ask these two to specifically point out where in the U.S. Constitution it states that criticism of the government is strictly forbidden during wartime. Five will get you ten that they will be unable to find that particular article and section in that document which is called the U.S. Constitution.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:08 pmNow I have to go PUKE.
Just shining the light on your whoredom, Joe. STFU.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:09 pmShorter Lieberman/Boehner: Why can’t they stop calling us on our sleazy criminality?
April 30th, 2007 at 4:10 pmYes, blame everyone else for your shortcomings, refuse to accept accountability, and then wonder why the situation is in such discord… Sheesh.
If Lieberman actually cared about any of the things he claims to care about, he’d be out of office. The fact that he circumvented the will of the people in his party and did what HE wanted to do shows that he bears ZERO credibility on this issue…
Noam Chomsky and Gore Vidal said that this would happen… They would find excuses to try and shut down the think tanks of the internet because it makes them have to have integrity and do their damn jobs we are paying them to do.
Joe – to quote Sheryl Crow “You work for us, dude!”
April 30th, 2007 at 4:11 pmVITUPERATIVE TOXICITY??? HOW ABOUT “HONESTYâ€, LIEBERMAN???
Comment by veritas — April 30, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
Honesty IS toxic to a slime ball opportunistic piece of lying unamerican sh*thead like Lieberman.
Joe should shove his caucus up his Mossad *ss. Israel is our ally, not our MASTER, Joemental.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:12 pmHaving killed several hundreds of thousands of people, these two call for civility from their opponents . . .
April 30th, 2007 at 4:12 pmBoo-Hoo Big Baby Lieberman! Why is Lieberman always whining?? He’s been whining like a baby since he’s gotten into Congress. Even on the campaign trail, when he speaks, he whines. Why doesn’t one of his handlers or his family sent him to speaking school? No one can tolerate listening to his cheesy whining and his simpering critical comments. This man wakes up in the morning in an ugly mood and whines and pouts more as the day unfolds.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:12 pmWhere did it begin?
two words…
Clinton Impeachment
April 30th, 2007 at 4:12 pmDid they discuss options or just bitch?
April 30th, 2007 at 4:12 pmLieberman continues to excell at pure sleeze. This man should never have been reelected to congress. He’s become the National Disgrace – well…er….the next national disgrace under the Bush Cabal, of course.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:13 pmThe crumbling block in this path to death and destruction was not due to bloggers, it was due to intentionally misinformed coingressman (misspelling intentional).
With all due respect, Joe, the bloggers are helping put an end to the misinformation and not to vituperate politics.
IF anything the rise of bloggers is quite the opposite, it is due to vituperative politics and lobbyism.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:13 pmI can tell you what is really toxic:
The support for an administration that has proven to be a complete disaster in practically every single initiative they have undertaken.
No amount of deflecting from Lieberman will ever change that.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:15 pmDid they discuss options or just bitch?
Comment by geoff
As usual they declare themselves the victim when it’s useful to their boner agendas.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:16 pmyeah, we don’t want any grass roots-level communication going on out there, do we? you should have to own a media outlet in order to communicate with the world… further, writers should have to be credentialed… would that make you happy, Joey?
April 30th, 2007 at 4:17 pmHow can I say this in a way that won’t offend poor little Joey’s sensibilities?
Joe, it really does matter who started it. The Democrats didn’t have a Rush Limbaugh or an Ann Coulter or a Sean Hannity or any of the other lying, hate-spewing, slandering demagogues and pundits that they have on the right. The start of the incivility was completely one-sided and it has been for decades. That lying, hate-spewing, and slandering found its way onto the floors of the House and Senate. It wasn’t a Democrat who stood on the House floor and called the president of the United States a “scumbag” when Clinton was in office. By the way, Rep. Burton is still in the House and is still as vile and disrespectful as ever. And, it wasn’t a Democratic vice president who stood on the floor of the Senate and told a senator to go fuck himself. I don’t recall you ever talking about civility and bi-partisanship when the verbal abuse was all coming from the right. If you feel that you’re the target of abuse from the left and you just can’t understand why, I’m not sure I can explain it to you. But, here goes:
Democrats are sick and tired of being the punching bag for the right. We’re tired of continually playing fair, while the Republican party interprets that as an invitation to be cheated. You can’t have bi-partisanship when one party refuses, as a rule, to meet you anywhere near halfway. Joe, if you want to be a human doormat for the GOP, be my guest. But, don’t think we’re going to respect you for it. The best you can expect from us is to just ignore you.
In light of the fact that you’re holding your little panel discussion with Rep. Boehner, one of the House’s greatest contributors to incivility, I just have to ask: Are you insane?
April 30th, 2007 at 4:18 pmBoehner has “been trying … to find ways of disagreeing without being disagreeable.”
Keep looking, Boehner. And you might look closer at yourself.
Lieberman isn’t even worth a comment.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:18 pm1984 new speak through and through.
Hating the Repuke Mafia daily
April 30th, 2007 at 4:19 pmOkay. This is the second posting in a week that you have refered to him as the House MAJORITY Leader… Please stop making my heart stop…
April 30th, 2007 at 4:20 pmNothing is more indicative of the complete rot of DC than the rank stupidity on display between the tone deaf obtuseness of Liberman and Boehner and David Broder’s Antoinette act.
St. Joe cooed on Imus’ lap for years and rarely, if ever, mentioned Limbaugh or Weiner. Boehner’s GOP waged an unholy extraordinarily partisan war against Clinton from 1992 to the present. And NOW, they want to raise the white flag?
The blogs are a necessary correction against an impotent media and a smug neo-aristocracy.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:23 pmLieberman…independent…!!!!
I wonder why all of these politicians go to pray at the AEI chapel ?!
April 30th, 2007 at 4:23 pmI can’t believe these two hack douchebags are bitching about incivility in the fuc*ing blogsphere. They can go shit in their hats…..
-GSD
April 30th, 2007 at 4:24 pmHouse Majority Leader John Boehner (R-OH)
Majority Leader? I don’t think the Rs are in the majority anymore….
April 30th, 2007 at 4:24 pmSure they want civility now that the Dems are in power.
Where’s this civility talk been for the last 6 years? You are hypocrites to be ignored, at least for the next couple years. Then, the civility toward the anti-Democratic party may begin in 2008.
How’s that sound hypocrites?
- Tom
April 30th, 2007 at 4:24 pmSomebody call him a Waahhh-mbulance.
Another example of the elites’ inability to understand the impact of new technology.
Lie, Inveigle, Obfuscate.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:24 pmWhen I was right of center, I didn’t like Lieberman’s politics. Now that I am left of center, I still don’t like Lieberman’s politics… Who exactly does?
April 30th, 2007 at 4:26 pmThese guys lie. Bloggers point it out. And the bloggers are at fault.
You have to assume when Lieberman brings up the subject of blogs, legislating them is the next topic.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:26 pmThe dead cry out in nasty vituperatiive language, Senator.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:27 pmWe but echo their ferocity and despair.
“The blogs are a necessary correction against an impotent media and a smug neo-aristocracy.
Comment by Jay B. — April 30, 2007 @ 4:23 pm”
Well said… They should be thrilled that we’re fighting them with words and not with pitchforks, torches, guillotines and bullets.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:29 pmThe straight-faced hypocrisy continues unabated. Chokin’ Joe Lieberman is among the staunchest supporters of a President who has made ruthless partisanship his motto, and division his calling card. He decries bloggers because they helped chase him out of his hiding place in the Democratic Party, and exposed his views as mainstream Bush Repbulicanism. Hence, his need to seek re-election to the Senate as an “independent”. Mr. Lieberman’s definition of “compromise” requires knee pads and chapstick, not legitimate political horse trading among equals.
Bloggers incivility could not possibly approach that of the Two Hundred Eighty-Five Million Dollar Man – Rush Limbaugh (the value of his eight-year “broadcasting” contract for Shout Radio) Or, that of his league of mimics, from Michael Savage to Michelle Malkin, not to mention the considerate, balanced voice of former lawyer, Ann Coulter.
Bloggers are worth attacking, from Bush’s perspective, not because they are collectively controlled by George Soros, another Rovian fantasy barb, but because they’re not. Nor are they controlled by Clinton or Pelosi or Reid, nor by Rove or Mehlman. Sadly for Mr. Rove, bloggers needn’t have a Republican “R” after their name before they are allowed to blog, as if they were ticketholders at a Presidential speech.
Bloggers threaten the surreal fantasy that is Bush’s vision of the world. Unlike Mr. Bush, they all read, and the horizon of their imagination is further than the end of their nose. Their free and sometimes irreverent speech is the essential antidote to Mr. Rove’s fantasy of an Orwellian-level of news management. More power to them.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:30 pmI wonder why all of these politicians go to pray at the AEI chapel ?!
CB -tarazan
It is full of neophytes willing to carry the water of what they consider the wise. If they were wise they would see that carrying water is but the masters vacation.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:32 pm#44. unbelievable…
April 30th, 2007 at 4:33 pmConflict capitalists like Lieberman’s politics
Vituperation Toxicity? Yeah, I saw them when they opened for Dokken back in ‘88. Really lame.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:33 pmAs Cheney says, Go “fcuk yourselves”.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:35 pmI’m ashamed to say this, but Joe Lieberman represents me in the U.S. Senate.
Lieberman is playing a game. It’s the same game FOX News plays in regard to who their target audience is. Give the warmonger crowd what they wan’t and to hell with everyone else.
At this point Lieberman’s views on Iraq have him struggling to remain relevent.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:36 pmWhere to begin? This is so anti-free speech, so anti-democratic, so McCarthyite!
I recently visited three rightwing blogs. Not one allowed comments. But the bloggers themselves were quite toxic about liberals and progressives. The conservative MSM is also rude and abusive with certain talking heads using sexist and racists terms such as “nappy headed hos” and “stereotypical bitch” to describe women in the news.
Liebermouse and Bonehead can’t win an argument with reason and logic, so the opt to shut down their opponents. Remember how the Repbublicans threatened to do away with the filibuster? Suddenly it looks like a sacred right to them now that they’re in oposition.
And then there’s the curious case of Kathy Sierra. She’s a computer programming blogger who received some nasty threats on her blog. It was picked up by the MSM and became a talking point for censorship. But her blog was apolitical and areligious. A police investigator would have a tough time explaining why she was a target. She wasn’t like Shakespeare’s Sister or Pandagon. A cop would likely suspect a disgruntled employee, a spurned lover, a business rival, or even an inside job. It was quite a mystery.
Liebermouse has to understand that he’s trampling on the First Amendment. He wants to shut down the last truly free speech left in America. The MSM depends more on advertising revenue than on subscriptions and so is tainted. The Blogosphere should be compared to the pamphleteers of the 18th Century.
As for calling forums such as ThinkProgress and MediaMatters rude and disgusting? Don’t these people listen to Rush, O’Reilly, Savage, Beck, and Imus? Those people are foul and disgusting. And they’re actually paid to be that way. For Shame.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:36 pmBefore this useful internet technology , politicians like Lieberman were enjoying their time without criticism hiding behind major networks news which never hit them with any serious or hard criticism.
Now Lieberman and politicians like him are living in different world that they cannot lie anymore and keep things in the dark from people.
That is why they hate the internet,and that is why it is considered toxic for Lieberman.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:38 pmFor them:
Dissent = Danger
Welcome to Feudalism aka Democracy.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:40 pm“Conflict capitalists like Lieberman’s politics
Comment by Raven — April 30, 2007 @ 4:33 pm”
If my only fans, as a Senator, where those guys, I’d quit… in shame…
April 30th, 2007 at 4:42 pm“another dimension of vituperation toxicity”
I guess he means other than the vituperation toxicity that we all know and love, and is paid for by PACs and found in politcal advertising. Why should they have all the fun?
April 30th, 2007 at 4:43 pmWhen I first started reading this I thought it was some kind of TP joke. Then I kept reading… Finished by picking my jaw up off of my desk. Do they actually believe the sh*t they spew?
I tremble to think of what would be going on in our country right now if not for the blogs.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:43 pmBloggers threaten the surreal fantasy that is Bush’s vision of the world. Unlike Mr. Bush, they all read, and the horizon of their imagination is further than the end of their nose. Their free and sometimes irreverent speech is the essential antidote to Mr. Rove’s fantasy of an Orwellian-level of news management. More power to them.
Comment by OutSourced
Bloggers have done corporate media a great favor by placing the grenade on their keyboatds, they have freed the MSM from being made complacent to the corporations that sponsor them. Corporate media is dependent upon consumers and when they become dependent upon other corporations for advertisement dollars they become subservient.
I as a blogger don’t wish to see the demise of corporate media. I would prefer it be free from the power of money…..
April 30th, 2007 at 4:44 pmLieberman you are a M U R D E R E R of the us troops. You don’t care at all. Please leave CT. The residents don’t want you here at all. We want you gone. You are a liar, promoter of war, killing the old financially, killing the poor.
You are done in CT., as more and more ct. citizens turn their own heads on you.
A soldiers mom, CT
Another M U R D E R E R of US Troops, just wait till we educate the Ohio voters, your history.
Boehner makes investments off of soldiers blood.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:44 pmGo to open scerets.com see for yourself.
There’s an obvious effort to clamp down on all non fascist media outlets.
If you noticed ABC and CNN launched their new look websites over the weekend. It makes it harder to find the real news stories. I also noticed that ABC took down the “vote” tags. No wonder so many people look to blogs for news.. It’s the only place you can get it.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:44 pmThe Iraqi parliament is about to take a TWO MONTH vacation in July and August.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/30/iraqi-parliament-planning-two-month-recess/#more-16800
MORE DEAD US soldiers and Iraqis for Bush’s LIES about WMD and a “surge”.
See you in hell JoeMentum (cause I’LL be THERE),
Mr. Bush
April 30th, 2007 at 4:47 pmMURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR TO THE USA (TM–BushCrimeCo, Inc.)
Who voted this guy in? I am more about issues rather than these lying members of congress.
Politics
April 30th, 2007 at 4:48 pm“The Blogosphere should be compared to the pamphleteers of the 18th Century.
Comment by david — April 30, 2007 @ 4:36 pm”
Definitely… But this one is even better because it’s instantaneous to people accross the globe – and perhaps THAT is what worries these people the most… That WE now have the power they once believed they did.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:49 pmSen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) and House Majority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) led a panel discussion today at the American Enterprise Institute discussing “how to stop practicing democracy and go back to just taking it up the ass from your betters.â€
Fixed your typo.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:52 pm.
R E P U B L I C A N S
are
M U R D E R E R S’
of our US Troops.
Deliver one measured cup of BLOOD to a Republicans home. Just leave it on the dooe step as a token of their mission accomplished!
April 30th, 2007 at 4:54 pmSo he takes a couple comments like “f*ck you Joe” and then generalizes it to the entire blogosphere.
“f*ck you Joe”
April 30th, 2007 at 4:55 pmProgressives must HATE it when Joe is right. But then, modern Progs would band together against JFK today – strong on security and defense is not the Progressive strong suit.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:56 pmSure Joe, it isn’t like you betrayed the Democratic party, and changed to Independent to get elected, and then toe the line for murderous thieves.
Geez, I guess we are hard on you.
*whacked up the back of the head*
April 30th, 2007 at 4:57 pmThe American Enterprise Institute warrants close scrutiny and monitoring as so much of this country’s policies are at the very least influenced by this “think tank”.
Today they are doing an advance attack on the American Lung Association’s 2007 report due to be released tomorrow for example. The smear piece is entitled, “AEI Scholar Responds to State of the Air 2007 Report”.
And they’re currently pushing Jeane Kirkpatrick’s last book “Making War to Keep Peace”, whose title, as far as I’m concerned, is about as Orwellian as you can get.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:58 pm“Vituperation Toxicity” – such an apt description!! I can tell Joe has visited TP a time or two – you should be flattered!!!
April 30th, 2007 at 4:58 pmValient,
How do you know what anyone “would” do?
April 30th, 2007 at 4:58 pmOk that’s it. I’m renaming my blogosphere Vituperation Toxicity. Just try and stop me.
Just try.
April 30th, 2007 at 4:59 pmDamn, I had to look that word up. How often does Joe use that word?
April 30th, 2007 at 5:01 pmstrong on security and defense is not the Progressive strong suit.
Comment by valiant venus — April 30, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
cuz in 9/11 Progs (sic) were in charge…yep. Oh, I forgot about OBL…like everybody in the GWB admin.
This is so easy. Lets play another game.
April 30th, 2007 at 5:01 pmLoserman wants us to behave in a civil manner while his Repuke pals take away our Habeus Corpus and other Constitutional rights.
Go screw yourself, Holy Joe. Time to INCREASE the vituperative toxicity against you and your Repuke pals.
April 30th, 2007 at 5:03 pm“Progressives must HATE it when Joe is right.
Comment by valiant venus — April 30, 2007 @ 4:56 pm”
If he’s right it’s only because of “people” like you who come here to flame and yap. Now shoo… There are enough flies (Liberman and Boehner) in this thread.
April 30th, 2007 at 5:03 pmWhat Lieberman wants from public is to hear him on major telivision network after a trip to Baghdad describing how things were so beautiful there in Baghdad when he left the city….without anybody on the web questions him,checks his statements out,or say something about what he says.
April 30th, 2007 at 5:04 pmHe used to not to be questioned in the past…..but with the internet blogging, he was exposed…now he is crying about blogging.
It’s so mind numbingly stupid that you just have to laugh and then you realise that these guys are the actual leaders of the USA and your stop laughing and then you feel kinda nauseous and then you think of all the harm they are doing and the people they are conning and you get angry.
So where does it come from Mr Lieberman? It comes from you. From your actions, your words, your choices. You created us. We are the reaction to your action and we will negate you, sooner or later.
April 30th, 2007 at 5:04 pmI wish someone would do Connecticut, the United States, and the world a favor and cap this waste of protoplasm. The fact that any outlet other than Faux Noise agrees to publish anything this asswipe says lessens the aleady reduced value of journalism in the country.
April 30th, 2007 at 5:04 pmValiant Venus has her tongue in Uranus. And she loves it.
April 30th, 2007 at 5:04 pmToxic?!! and you’re the poster boy for healthy?! great blogs have been the ONLY source to DARE TO EXPOSE the MEGA-TOXIC BELTWAY! Stop projecting YOUR TOXICITY on the blogs!
April 30th, 2007 at 5:05 pmThat event is like a SNL skit or something. I mean, the lack of self-awareness is almost breathtaking.
April 30th, 2007 at 5:06 pm#68 – So he takes a couple comments like “f*ck you Joe†and then generalizes it to the entire blogosphere.
“f*ck you Joe†Comment by ForTruth
4Truth -If Joe visited here 10 minutes a day, his findings would not be inaccurate. Progs proudly carry the mantle of crudity and cursing….especially for those they despise!
April 30th, 2007 at 5:07 pm“you should be flattered!!!
Comment by valiant venus — April 30, 2007 @ 4:58 pm”
Nope – that one is ALL you.
April 30th, 2007 at 5:07 pm#76 – “This is so easy. Lets play another game.”
Comment by Juan C
uan – You’re no good at this game – - but KEEP practicing – you’re bound to improve!!!!!
April 30th, 2007 at 5:10 pm“Damn, I had to look that word up. How often does Joe use that word?
Comment by ForTruth — April 30, 2007 @ 5:01 pm”
Considering he should have said “vituperative toxicity”, or “vituperation and toxicity”, I’m guessing just this once?
April 30th, 2007 at 5:10 pmJake,
Just don’t breathe on us. Please.
April 30th, 2007 at 5:10 pm#81 – I’d re-think your wish…..I’m glad I’m not your neighbour.
April 30th, 2007 at 5:12 pmLoserman wants to shut up the opposition.
That’s what this is about. Censorship, pure and simple.
And Valiant Venus still has her tongue up Uranus.
April 30th, 2007 at 5:14 pmThe nation has come to a pretty pass when regulating the capacity of the populace to register an emphatic “FUCK YOU” to the oligarchs and ‘polutocrats’ is a matter of Congressional concern.
damn right i’d oppose jfk, you dismal bint. dumb mofo escalated the vietnam war. i opposed it then with the same fervor as i oppose the morass the Dim Son has thrust the US into today.
nevertheless, i served, and i shall accept no aspersion upon my love of country from anyone who cannot show me their own dd214…
April 30th, 2007 at 5:16 pm4Truth -If Joe visited here 10 minutes a day, his findings would not be inaccurate. Progs proudly carry the mantle of crudity and cursing….especially for those they despise! Comment by valiant venus — April 30, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
That’s true, because wingnuts like you carry the mantle of hate, venom and toxicity to a whole new level. But JoeMental can’t really blame us because we give terrorist minded individuals like you a platform to preach the eradication of another religion/ethnicity of people – now can he? St*pid little c*nt.
And I hate to inform you, but making a joke about your own dead baby, is far more “crude” and “vile” than any self censored cursing. Venomous hate filled piece of sh*t.
April 30th, 2007 at 5:16 pm#81 – I’d re-think your wish…..I’m glad I’m not your neighbour.
Commnt by valiant venus — April 30, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
Says the wingnut that calls for wholesale genocide and slaughter of others. Unfortunately you ARE our neighbor, you homicidal maniac.
April 30th, 2007 at 5:17 pmProgs proudly carry the mantle of crudity and cursing….especially for those they despise!
Comment by valiant venus — April 30, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
telling the plutocrats to go fuck themselves is the most democratic speech in the world, you dripping bint…
April 30th, 2007 at 5:18 pm“Go fu*k yourself Lieberman”
April 30th, 2007 at 5:19 pm“Vituperation Toxicity†– such an apt description!! I can tell Joe has visited TP a time or two – you should be flattered!!! Comment by valiant venus — April 30, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
For you, no doubt. He must have read your diatribes about wanting to wipe out the Arab civilizations, back to primitive goat herders. Or maybe he caught your “dead baby joke”. You’re about as TOXIC as they get.
Oh, and by the Mighty Whiner. Vituperation, is a synonym for “abuse”, how “victim” of you and JoeMental! Wah, Wah, how whiny can you get – st*pid c*nt?
April 30th, 2007 at 5:20 pmJuan – You’re no good at this game – - but KEEP practicing – you’re bound to improve!!!!! Comment by valiant venus — April 30, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
Ah, more projection. Unfortunately you s*ck at this game, much like you do in your pathetic Anorexic filled life. But ALAS, you can only blame OTHERS for YOUR S*CKINESS…
Poor little st*pid c*nt.
When you GET IN THE GAME, we’ll let you know, OK Princess?
April 30th, 2007 at 5:22 pmSeems they are arguing that divisiveness is caused by having more information. NICE! Keep us all in the dark. Now there is a way to build civility; get more distrust.
April 30th, 2007 at 5:23 pmOh, kiss my a$$ Viliantdouchebag, you’re full of sh*t up to your ugly eyeballs, you vile subhuman piece of scum.
Hating Viliantdouchebag daily
April 30th, 2007 at 5:29 pmToxicity? Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reily, Coulter, Malkin, Beck, Will, Barnes, Hume, O’Beirne, Buchannon, Carlson…. It goes on and radio, TV and news papers reach more folks than most of the blogs. There is one thing for sure the blogs are doing more to point out lies, disingenuious declarations and half truths that are causing the MSM to be a little more truthful in their presentations.
April 30th, 2007 at 5:37 pmBoehner and Lieberman use language every bit as hot as any of the critics they deride. You can’t really be part of the solution when you are a big part of the problem. In fact, these two insult the intelligence of the American people with the garbage they spew.
April 30th, 2007 at 5:45 pmWell Connecticut voters…how do you feel now? Another 3 1/2 years of this worthless, lying SOS! Thanks a lot.
April 30th, 2007 at 5:45 pmI don’t think Joe has had a handle on anything since ‘77 or ‘78. He’s a worthless, bourgeouis do-nothing from the land of the idly well-off, who think about nothing more than where to vacation next and which wine to serve with dinner – everything else is an abstraction to them. Joe, like many of our Senators, is not fit to shine Russ Feingold’s shoes, let alone serve in the Seante with him.
Lee Atwater re-introduced vicious liar-ism to our political vocabulary (after a long hiatus starting at the beginning of the 20th c.), and Republicans have ridden that mangy, diseased horse to victory time and again since. TP and Kos aren’t who to blame – Atwater and the GOP are. Anyone who was alive and paying attention in ‘79 can testify to that. Anyone who disagrees is either lying, or hasn’t actually been paying attention.
April 30th, 2007 at 5:45 pmRestore civility in American politics?
Easy – take Lie-berman, Boner, and the rest at AEI and move them to a different country.
April 30th, 2007 at 5:47 pmVituperate this, Joe!
April 30th, 2007 at 5:47 pmIt’s hell having citizens in cyberspace holding politicians accountable, isn’t it Joe?
April 30th, 2007 at 6:04 pmI think somebody hurt Joe’s fweeings.
/throws rotten tomatoes
April 30th, 2007 at 6:06 pmProgs proudly carry the mantle of crudity and cursing….especially for those they despise!
Comment by valiant venus — April 30, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
That only happens when you’re around vv so your opinion is skewed. But isn’t it always.
April 30th, 2007 at 6:08 pm#102 – “He’s a worthless, bourgeouis do-nothing from the land of the idly well-off, who think about nothing more than where to vacation next and which wine to serve with dinner – ” Comment by Tom Baker
…So says the self-proclaimed millionaire currency trader….tee-heee!! Pot…meet black……
April 30th, 2007 at 6:09 pm#105 – “It’s hell having citizens in cyberspace holding politicians accountable, isn’t it Joe?” Comment by ann
Ann, if the majority of “cyber citizens” could express themselves without the vulgarity, you might have a point.
April 30th, 2007 at 6:16 pmShane, you’re such a sociopathic LIAR – Granted, conservatives at TP bring out the mentally unhinged VVGRU, but I try to ignore it – much in the same way I wouldn’t stare at someone with a physical deformity. These places aren’t for timid – the easily offended should play somewhere else. BUT don’t think for a moment the net has improved political dialogue…..monologues, yes.
April 30th, 2007 at 6:21 pmBlogs are the fresh air that have freed this country from the talking points ad nauseum that the right wing has saturated the media with for almost seven years. The vituperation and toxicity have been cornered by the Repugs and Joe, the Repug inside. Just relax your mind and play back the unravelling lies and conspiracies of this Bush gang. The internet and the blogs have saved America. Rock on.
April 30th, 2007 at 6:22 pmpoor lonesome, ol’ v v…..
i truly pity you – having to come around here like you do to get a little human interaction…..
but hey, at least you’re pitiable, right?
April 30th, 2007 at 6:23 pmI’m ashamed to say this, but Joe Lieberman represents me in the U.S. Senate. Comment by 1970cs — April 30, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
Joe Lieberman represents Joe Lieberman in the US Senate. Not the Nutmeg State, and not you. Just Joe Lieberman’s interests.
April 30th, 2007 at 6:28 pmThanks for proving the point of this morning’s seminar, haters. You can’t stand that your fit of pique in November 2006 has not toppled the grownups, and never will. David Broder was right, as usual.
April 30th, 2007 at 6:34 pmGo fu*k yourself mighty aphrodite.
April 30th, 2007 at 6:36 pmAgain for your viewing enjoyment…VALIANT-DOUCHEBAG go suck an egg, you are a total subhuman scum sucking repuke, and your stupid repukian talking points don’t mean sh*t here, F Y all to Hell and back.
Hating that scum sucking Valiant douchbag daily
April 30th, 2007 at 6:41 pm#40 GSD – Would that be an as$hat then?
April 30th, 2007 at 6:42 pmGary, your love of our disappointment appears hateful too.
April 30th, 2007 at 6:43 pmIn this mothers eyes,
R E P U B L I C A N S Congressmen/women and
White House Employees are
M U R D E R E R S ‘ of our US Troops.
R E P U B L I C A N S have E X P L O I T E D the troops to the extreme!
The clear A B U S E going on now to the soldiers blatantly obvious.
They NEVER supported the troops!
April 30th, 2007 at 6:45 pmEVER
Take the challenge any poster:
Write to the Washington Post tell the editor that Military Families are posting that Republicans are KILLING our troops. That they have exploited out soldiers. They are abusing each and every one of them.
Americans help americans. And right now the soldiers need YOUR help! End this nightmare.
April 30th, 2007 at 6:48 pmThanks for proving the point of this morning’s seminar, haters. You can’t stand that your fit of pique in November 2006 has not toppled the grownups, and never will. David Broder was right, as usual.
Comment by Gary Ruppert — April 30, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
You consider this administration to be GROWNUPS? Bush himself is a juvenile delinquent, and the rese of his “administration” (frat house) are assholes who couldn’t have kept a job anyplace else, their incompetency is so monumental. And if you think that taking over the majority in both houses is a “fit of pique”, just wait for 2008.
April 30th, 2007 at 6:50 pmShane, you’re such a sociopathic LIAR Comment by valiant venus — April 30, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
More classic projection – of course. From the resident SOCIOPATH that believes she has a RIGHT to wipe out entire civilizations at her whim.
- Granted, conservatives at TP bring out the mentally unhinged VVGRU,Comment by valiant venus — April 30, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
You, calling others mentally unhinged – too funny! Why, because someone calls you an accurately descriptive term – they’re unhinged? Unhinged is calling for the genocide of others, making dead baby jokes, and saying that progressives are murderers, terrorists, etc., all of which you have blathered on in your UNHINGED manner. More classic projections, from the resident wingNUT.
but I try to ignore it – much in the same way I wouldn’t stare at someone with a physical deformity. Comment by valiant venus — April 30, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
I guess you don’t look in the mirror much then, do you?
These places aren’t for timid – the easily offended should play somewhere else. Comment by valiant venus — April 30, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
You’re SO EASILY offended, you come here to fight about it. You’re right, you DON’T BELONG HERE.
BUT don’t think for a moment the net has improved political dialogue…..monologues, yes. Comment by valiant venus — April 30, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
The net never could improve a dialog with someone as mentally deranged and incapacitated as yourself. It’s done a great job of getting past the FILTERS you wingNUTS have tried to put in place over the ‘mainstream’ media though. That’s why you’re here! We threaten, scare, and even educate you – and that’s just CRAZY TALK for a wingNUT!!!
April 30th, 2007 at 6:56 pm…So says the self-proclaimed millionaire currency trader….tee-heee!! Pot…meet black…… Comment by valiant venus — April 30, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
BAHAHAHA, yeah, what about the ATTORNEY, who’s such a SOCIOPATH she thinks she’s an EXPERT on religion, economics, politics and mental health!!!! BAHAHAHAHA, pot, meet the witches cauldron! Otherwise known as your BIRTH CANAL – st*pid c*nt!
April 30th, 2007 at 6:57 pmJoe Lieberman is a hypocrite. He whines and complains about the “lack of civility” in U.S. politics, yet, he says nothing about Tom DeLay, Newt Gingrich and the rest of the uncivil Republican scum in Congress.
As far as I’m concerned, Lieberman is a foreign agent for Israel, end of discussion.
andycyber@aim.com
April 30th, 2007 at 6:59 pmAnn, if the majority of “cyber citizens†could express themselves without the vulgarity, you might have a point.
Comment by valiant venus
This from the very essence and embodiment of vulgarity.
**yawn**
April 30th, 2007 at 7:12 pmZooooette – You confuse me with your ill little friend, ValiantVenusGrewFromUranas. My opinion may offend you – but I am not vulgar. Lora (or your professor) will help you look up the word.
April 30th, 2007 at 7:21 pm….but I am not vulgar.
Comment by valiant venus
Tell us another funny story about your imaginary dead child.
That’s not vulgar. No…..not at all.
/sarcasm
People, especially parents, don’t forget that type of vulgarity, MA.
April 30th, 2007 at 7:32 pmPhuck you LIEberman!
April 30th, 2007 at 7:47 pmBoehner, Lieberman are:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Pan_syndrome
Bush is most likely:
http://health.enotes.com/mental-disorders-encyclopedia/narcissistic-personality-disorder
God HELP us ALL, as we have another 21 months.
April 30th, 2007 at 7:50 pmIn the bloggosphere, those who deserve abuse get it, Lieberman. Stop trying to sound smart with your big words, you incongruous duodenal convexity!
April 30th, 2007 at 8:08 pmZooooette – You confuse me with your ill little friend, ValiantVenusGrewFromUranas. My opinion may offend you – but I am not vulgar. Lora (or your professor) will help you look up the word. Comment by valiant venus — April 30, 2007 @ 7:21 pm
BAHAHAHA, there are numerous VULGAR posts you’ve made – dear venus. Ones using foul language, curses, and name calling. Shall I pull a few, or is it sufficient that I just LAUGH at your BOLD FACE LIES!!!!
Then we have the VULGAR comments about Genocide, murder, torture, and your own dead baby jokes. Yeah, nothing VULGAR about that – as long as you’re a violent prone wingNUT unleashing your guns on a college campus!! BHAAHAHAHA
April 30th, 2007 at 8:17 pmLet’s see–there were no blogs in the early to mid-90’s, and precious few (any?) in that late 90’s.
So, where did all the “vituperative toxicity” come from back then?
What hypocrites.
April 30th, 2007 at 10:46 pmYour Lieberman quote from the Times article on 8/10/06 mischaracterizes what Lieberman said. He said that pulling out of Iraq would be a victory for radical islamists.
I have no love for Lieberman nor his politics.
But, writing articles where people’s words are deliberately distorted to suit the ideological need of the blogger doesn’t exactly help advance truth, either.
April 30th, 2007 at 10:49 pmStrange but true, Anthony Citrano, you can go to the archived tapes of Osama bin Laden and find him saying that tricking the USA into invading Iraq would be a victory for the radical Islamists
Saddam’s Iraq and OBL’s al-Qaeda had no links. The two men actually despised each other. So America did OBL’s dirty work when they overthrew Saddam.
Nobody thinks the situation in Iraq is good. But, if America wants to stay, it’s going to have to do some nation building. That means no more ‘no-bid’ contracts doing zip for the Iraqis. It means bring back the Draft and sending another 150,000 soldiers to Iraq to do the thankless job of peacekeeping. It means giving up on that humiliating Oil Deal the Iraqi parliament has been dragging its feet on for months. And it means willing to see another 5,000 US troops killed and about 35,000 wounded. That’s they only way to win. Is that what you want, Anthony Citrano???
Well, it’s what Joe Liebermouse wants. Let’s face it. There’s no way this is going to work without a massive escalation and an escalation ain’t gonna work without actually doing what the Iraqis want and not what America wants. And it means leaving when the job is done without keeping those 4 permanent bases and without keeping any sweetheart oil deal. And that, my friend, and a buck fifty will buy you a cup of coffee.
So, before we go completely mad with watching the coffins pile up and the hospitals spill over with amputees and the jails fill with wigged out vets, why don’t we just admit that we made a mistake and try to buy off whoever picks up the pieces with cash and kind words? The odds are that’s what we’ll have to do eventually if we choose to do it Liebermouse’s way. Because that way is doomed.
April 30th, 2007 at 11:10 pmJoe Liberman
“working across party lines to get things done”,
but in a collaborating with the enemy kinda way.
May 1st, 2007 at 12:48 ami am ashamed that bastard got re-elected in my homestate, he’s the monica lewinsky of the bush administration…nothing but a whore slopping on chimpy’s/cheney’s and rove’s dicks
May 1st, 2007 at 6:31 amAfter the past five years of the worst administration in the history of this nation, the people are more than justified to be outraged. What is a pity is that the anger and horror felt by bloggers, who pay close attention to these matters, is not shared universally by the rest of our countrymen. The proper response to our government’s illegal behavior is to go to the streets and demand impeachment of the leadership. Civil discourse is only appropriate when the leadership operatess in a civilized manner.
May 1st, 2007 at 7:32 amKeep being uncivil and ensure Republicans keep their rightful place in charge with dignity and honor.
May 1st, 2007 at 7:54 amIsn’t it a shame, that these wonderful politicians can’t pontificate and postulate for hours on end about their lofty positions on issues to their adoring followers anymore without their own changing opinions are now being thrown back in their faces.
Accountability is a motherf****** ain’t it?
Praise to the bloggers and the printed word!
May 1st, 2007 at 8:13 amAnd truth.
May 1st, 2007 at 8:14 amAnd truth and the American Waaaayyyyyyyyyy!
May 1st, 2007 at 8:16 amThe reason people are so fed up with politics and politicians can be directly traced to lying pieces of shit like Joe Lieberman. He can take his civility and stick it where the sun don’t shine.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:44 amThe Prog mind is an interesting study. Jim Jeffords, when he finally admitted to being arund the bend all along is HAILED by “independent” (what a laugh!) thinkers as being a maverick centrist. FYI – the guy is NO centrist.
Joe Lieberman, voting “inpendently” on occasion BUT 97% with Progs and Dems is a POS. I quit the Dems more than 10 years ago because of the whiny crybabies influence on the party. Mercifully, I broke out of the gulag of Progressive “thought” – and found there are alot fewer “victims” and alot MORE “volunteers”.
Tooodles….
May 1st, 2007 at 2:27 pmI feel that it is the politicians and the politics that they sprew out is the cause for the toxicity in the world today. It is not caused by the bloggers. Some bloggers spoil it, but for the most part, bloggers are pretty smart and knowledgeable. I can only speak for myself, but I have learned a lot, from the bloggers.
I think that bloggers are fulfilling a need, where else can people all over the country get together, and share ideas (and some times humor.) One needs to find some humor in this, that is going on. It isn’t pretty what is going on today in the world and our country.
I’d like to quote a comment made by Micheal Perenti. I use this quote quite often.
“Democracy is not about trust; it is about distrust. It is about accountability, exposure, open debate, critical challenge, and popular input and feedback from the citizenry. It is about responsible government. We have to get our fellow Americans to trust their leaders less and themselves more, trust their own questions and suspicions, and their own desire to know what is going on.”
Michael Parenti
I wish to thank Thinkprogress for this site also, and for giving us a forum.
May 1st, 2007 at 5:13 pmValiantmightyvenusaphrodite, you’re wrong on Lieberman’s voting with Dems. He’s no Dem OR Independent, he’s a Regressive all the way now.
May 1st, 2007 at 6:31 pmre: 147 – A valid observation; hard to believe it came from such a fruit cake, Perenti that is. I just came back from his web site, were I was totally nauseated by such thrillers as “The Stolen Election of 2004.” He’s a conspiracy loon!
May 1st, 2007 at 7:41 pmQuarrrrkk…..Leiberman and Bohner. Ha. Wow. Are you done puking yet Al ? ……Quarrrrkkky….
May 1st, 2007 at 11:41 pmLiberfeltcherman should know. He adds VITUPERATIVE TOXICITY
to the Senate, every time he speaks on the Senate floor.
Thank the Gods this creature never took the VP Oath of Office.
May 10th, 2007 at 6:40 amContract your Congressperson, including Speaker Pelosi and demand that Lieberman be removed from all committees.
May 20th, 2007 at 11:00 pm