Wha?

I was specifically talking about the military unit that was formed after the invasion to hunt for WMD in Iraq and that was disbanded in 2004.

If there is anyone who has no clue what I was responding to it’s you, and you obviously didn’t even bother to follow the link.

And I wasn’t proposing anything, I was pointing out a fact: The fact that the active hunt for WMD in Iraq came to a halt, and that the ISG already said there was no evidence that Hussein had WMD prior to the invasion.

Apparently nothing. You clearly have NFI what you are complaining about.

Complaining? Who is complaining? What am I complaining about?

And I guess here you’re not calling for the sacking of the joint chiefs.

Er, no, I am not.

[...]it really matters little what you think.

Then why did you even respond?

Clearly everything here is over your head.

Clearly you still have no understanding of anything I’ve said, and have to resort to strawmen arguments.

Yeah if only the OBL unit could have found those too, in between running 2 wars.

“We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.”

You are actually moaning about not having a war czar,
Comment by Kilo — May 1, 2007 @ 12:20 pm

No, I am not. Reading comprehension issues?

No. What other function could you have possibly intended for those 50 CIA staff in the OBL unit if not overseeing the rest of the CIA, NSA, DIA, Pentagon, DOJ, etc who are dedicating 100s of thousands of staff and associates to al Qaeda ?

If you weren’t thinking they would be in the same oversight role they were in before 9/11 it is hard to imagine what you were proposing.

Apparently nothing. You clearly have NFI what you are complaining about.

It is useless and redundant, as many of its functions should be performed by the Commander in Chief.

And I guess here you’re not calling for the sacking of the joint chiefs.
Since you think the Presidents, uniquely unqualified to do so, perform oversight functions for wars, it really matters little what you think.
Clearly everything here is over your head.

OMG did you hear Porter Goss stepped down as the head of the CIA !!???!!! That must mean there’s nobody running it OMG !!!

And for all your blather and hypothetical scenarios, fact remains that 3 years after disbanding the WMD-searching teams, and 4 (yes, four!) years after this disastrous invasion started, those infamous WMD have not been found. The ISG actually declared they found no evidence Iraq had WMD stockpiles by 2003.
I’d say: It’s been four years. You really need to wise the fk up already.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — May 2, 2007 @ 3:22 am

Yeah if only the OBL unit could have found those too, in between running 2 wars.
They would have been 50 very busy people.

No, I am not. Reading comprehension issues?

straight after pointing out how stupid and ridiculously useless such a position would be.

It is useless and redundant, as many of its functions should be performed by the Commander in Chief.

3 years. Wise the fk up already.

And for all your blather and hypothetical scenarios, fact remains that 3 years after disbanding the WMD-searching teams, and 4 (yes, four!) years after this disastrous invasion started, those infamous WMD have not been found. The ISG actually declared they found no evidence Iraq had WMD stockpiles by 2003.

I’d say: It’s been four years. You really need to wise the fk up already.

If anything, you should fault your Dear (mis)Leader for allowing the Pentagon to disband the team that was looking for them, back in 2004.

Comment by Gregor Samsa — April 30, 2007 @ 3:46 pm

How many years is it going to take you idiots to figure that out ? 3 and counting apparently.

Here’s a question, if the US had 20 people dedicated to the Russia desk before WW2 and disbanded it after WW2 was that also an indication that they weren’t taking Communism seriously enough ?

Or was the fact that the majority of intel and Pentagon resources took over from that one tiny desk more than enough compensation.

This is like complaining that kids entertainment isn’t being taken seriously when a swing set got replaced with Disney World.

There are single squads of special rangers in Pakistan larger than the OBL unit was. There are more people flying drones with joysticks this very second in search of OBL than there ever were on the OBL desk.

There were about 7.2 people committing internet crime in 1990. If there was one guy and a stapler dedicated to policing this back then would it still be appropriate to run all intel, cases, crimes, tips and planning via him today ?
Because that is what the function of the OBL unit was. A clearinghouse for all OBL stuff right down to rumours of anything even remotely related to him.

You are actually moaning about not having a war czar, straight after pointing out how stupid and ridiculously useless such a position would be.

3 years. Wise the fk up already.

The book ?
Take a look at the TP article you are reading.

“I may have got the dates wrong but the substance was accurate. Now let’s move on to discussing the consensus opinion of my agency that Iraq had no WMDs or al Qaeda links which I portrayed as the complete opposite during my tenure.”

Did you not notice you were reading the 4th article in a row from TP trying to disprove an accurate article by Bill Kristol where Tenet becomes a bigger liar in each ?

What’s next ?
“I know when I talked to Perle because I was washing the blood of a hobo off my hands and I only stab them on Thursdays.”

ThinkProgress headline: Tenet Refutes Perle on Timeline, Dates Confirmed.

My “accepted” sources include the Iraq Survey Group, that already concluded that Iraq did not possess stockpiles of WMD by the time of the invasion.

I also count the Department of Defense that already said these 500 degraded shells were not the reason why the Us invaded Iraq.

your claims might amount to nothing more than pulling the trigger a bit soon – a common problem. Of course, your “certainty” is based on limited info…..

And your “certainty” that Iraq did have stockpiles of WMD amount to nothing more than speculation and wishful thinking, since you have no evidence on which to base your belief, and it’s rooted on even less than limited info. As a matter of fact, it’s rooted on no evidence at all.

You see, to show that Hussein was in possession of stockpiles WMD (the kind that posed a threat to the world) by the time of the invasion, all there is to do is find one stockpile. It has not been found in spite of the time and money spent post-invasion looking for these WMD.

If anything, you should fault your Dear (mis)Leader for allowing the Pentagon to disband the team that was looking for them, back in 2004.

I once saw an episode of Columbo where DISPROVED that man died of natural causes, because his shoe laces were not tied from the man’s perspective, but from the perspective like that of a mother tying a child’s shoes, therefore no spin doctor nor lying expert can convince CRITICAL THINKING people that the man tied his own shoes before dying.

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The 50 micron 45% silicon fine powder in the above link DISPROVES that the WTC was demolished by gravity energy, because there is no other way than explosive energy to created such a fine silicon powder from intact concrete and glass in the less than 15 seconds that the WTC towers went from whole to pieces, therefore no spin doctor nor lying expert can convince CRITICAL THINKING people that the WTC was demolished by gravity energy.

Everyone is familiar with shoe TYING, so the DISPROOF cannot be ignored, while only people educated in engineering such as myself are familiar with material MILLING, so the DISPROOF is ignored.

If you go to an engineering school or concrete manufacturer and watch them fail concrete an INTACT piece of concrete, you will notice that it breaks into sand sized particles, and in order to turn it into a 50 micron fine powder you would have to MILL those particles.

Even if you drop concrete from 30,000 jet crusing altitude, it will still fail into sand size particles, just like you cannot make flour from wheat kernels by dropping them off a tall building!

Even if you put more tha X pounds of weight on a cubic inch of concrete that has a compression strength X pounds per inch, it will still fail into sand size particles, just like you cannot make flour from wheat kernels by setting them under a heavy rock!

The reason you cannot make fine powders simply by dropping material, is that the material’s collision with the ground results in the small particles recoiling upward instead of them being breaking into smaller and smaller pieces, no matter how much FORCE they hit the ground with.

The reason you cannot make fine powders simply by setting weight on material, is that the surfaces are not perfectly even, so small particles lay in the hills and the valleys between the surfaces, therefore they CANNOT be broken into smaller particles because NO FORCE is being applied to them, no matter how much FORCE is being applied to surfaces.

MILLING can be done by the scraping of abrasives which chew off one fine powder particle at a time, or done by the crushing of surfaces that are SMOOTHER than the desired fine powder particle size.

Since the environment in the demolished WTC towers was not like a MILL, and MILLING always takes more than 15 seconds to generate an appreciable amount of fine powder, WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE 50 MICRON 45% SILICON FINE POWDER THAT IS GIVING THE FIRST RESPONDERS SILICOSIS LUNG DISEASE HAD TO BE CREATED BY EXPLOSIVES, BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER WAY FOR THAT POWDER TO BE CREATED IN THE TIME AND ENVIRONMENT OF A DEMOLISHING WTC TOWER.

I will give my house, car, money, clothes, and every worldly possession to the first person lying expert or otherwise who can turn an intact piece of concrete or glass into a 50 micron fine powder in less than 15 seconds without explosives, even though they would not need my money, because they will have won a Nobel prize and would have a zillion dollar patent for making milling obsolete!

So if you choose to believe the official LIE, and ignore the TRUTH that the WTC towers were brought down with explosives, by IGNORING the IRRFUTABLE evidence that the critical thinker has given you, it simply means your emotions overrule your logic, and your psyche cannot handle the ramifications of this IRRFUTABLE evidence, so you close your eyes and keep believing that it was not an inside job when the evidence OBVIOUSLY says otherwise to CRITICAL THINKING people like Columbo.

This one has already been debunked so many times it’s hardly worth to do it again.

So, for the benefit of the other posters on ThinkProgress let me briefly say that these 500 shells were found buried, in different sites, a few at a time, over the course of three years -between the wake of the invasion and June of last year when Santorum made this very claim, and when it was hyped by (surprise, surprise!) FoxNews.

These are hardly the stockpiles of WMD the Bush administration peddled as the reason for invading Iraq. As a matter of fact, the US Defense Department already said that these were not the weapons the US was looking in Iraq and not the reason for the invasion.

Media Matters has a good run-down on this old, tired, debunked claim.

Comment by Fen — April 30, 2007 @ 1:05 pm

You mean those shells which have been burried since the Iraq/Iran war out of which by some fluke 1 or 2 shells survived partially viable (Iraq was never able to manufacture proper chemical weapons, their best efforts resulted in 45-60% purity when the shells were brand new and deterioration occured rapidly within months, according to UNMOVIC)? Is that supposed to be the “evidence” of an active “WMD program”?

Excuse us while we laugh you out of this thread.

How can you ignore all the Iraqi nuclear scientists working over in Libya on nukes, before we shut that down?

Again, you mean that “program” comprised of one disfunctional centrifuge, whereby the estimated “delivery” date for the nukes was somewhere between the Sun burning out and the End Of the Universe?

And what do you mean by “we shut down”?! Do you mean that bit where Khadafi figured out that he can cash on (fuguratively and literally) the prevailing political winds and decided to publicly throw the rusty, useless junk out, cunning con artist that he is?

If so, you are quite a comedian.

Comment by veritas — April 30, 2007 @ 1:56 pm

Not only does “paul” peddle these logical fallacies, as you and others aptly pointed out, but on top of that the very foundation on which he bases his fits of illogic is false. Terrorism did occur multiple times within the US in the last 6 years, except that in the neocon “minds” it did not count because it was either directed at the “wrong” people (i.e. liberal media personalities etc) or done by the “wrong” perpetrators (i.e. certifiable members of the Christianist fundie wingnuttery).

So he is wrong to the square power, an impressively dumb feat, one that could be likened to building castles out of sand in the middle of a swamp.

Nice try, troll-dweeb but your argument is inane, unsupportable logically and statistically, and you’re continuing to make an unadulterated fool of yourself on these threads.

Comment by paul — April 30, 2007 @ 11:51 am

You’ve got to be kidding! Remember that wee Anthrax-in-the-mail bit of fun? Maybe that’s too far back to remember for that rotted-out thing which passes for your “brain”. OK, lets try something from the past two weeks then, how about that bomb planted at that Planned Parenthood clinic in Austin last Friday?!

As he attempts to exonerate himself, however, he further indicts Cheney, Bush and Rice for whom “impeachment marches” are taking place all over this country. The people want them removed from office because they are pathological liars.

Unless/until we, the people, do the next right thing which is to show the rest of the world that we are not George Bush (very far from it, thankfully) and remove him from office immediately, our reputation will tank even further. Look – his numbers are 28% and dropping like the Titanic – Cheney’s are even worse. The people no longer respect any of them. The people no longer listen to anything their lying mouths spout off. They’re “reign of terror and lies” is coming to a screeching halt.

They can try to spin things now till the cows come home; the damage to their reputation has already been done and the people loathe them all.

Then again, the longer they remain in office and targets of multiple, ongoing scandals (with many, many more to come – after all 6 years of debouchery, lying, theft, etc. will bring us a “scandal a day” at this point)….the more resolve the people will have about NEVER electing another Republican into ANY office in this country for a VERY LONG TIME.

(Sorry, couldn’t resist the rats=ship of state metaphor, mea culpa)