National Review columnist muses about military coup.
By on May 1st, 2007 at 8:16 pm
National Review columnist muses about military coup.
The National Review is on a roll. Here’s columnist Thomas Sowell: “When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia, I can’t help wondering if the day may yet come when the only thing that can save this country is a military coup.” Kevin Drum writes, “in case you’re wondering, there’s no further context. That’s the whole quote. It’s one bullet point in a long series of dyspeptic observations about how liberals have ruined the country.”
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Now, this guy is NUTS!
So, shall we go back 50 years ago or what?
May 1st, 2007 at 8:17 pmGoddamn elections are such a pesky nusiance to these fascista.
May 1st, 2007 at 8:19 pmI went and saw Chalmers Johnson speak a few weeks ago and people thought he was insane for suggesting that people in the military were considering a military coup, and himself thought that they would quite possibly do it.
I also remember reading Tommy Franks say that one more big terrorist attack and the constitution would have to be “put aside”
What is this? Soviet russia???
For a good read, “Welcome to the War on Terror, Comrade”
http://www.populistamerica.com/ welcome_to_the_war_on_terrorism__comrade
May 1st, 2007 at 8:19 pmMore wingNUT terrorist sympathizing traitors - he sounds like Exley.
May 1st, 2007 at 8:22 pmOnly fascists will can save us from the fascists
May 1st, 2007 at 8:23 pmFascist propaganda, legitimation of government by force and repression.Agree with #1, this guy is nuts.
May 1st, 2007 at 8:24 pmWelcome back RUCerious, hope all is well.
Thomas Sowell is and ASSHAT. Who would take this moron serious???
May 1st, 2007 at 8:26 pm>I also remember reading Tommy Franks say that one more big
>terrorist attack and the constitution would have to be “put asideâ€
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>What is this? Soviet russia???
Two things you need to know.
May 1st, 2007 at 8:28 pm1. Communism is Jewish.
2. so is Franks.
Liberals…………..did he say liberals fucked things up? George bush (and co.) are liberals????????????
May 1st, 2007 at 8:30 pmThe ‘coup’ that should be taken is one BY THE PEOPLE against this fascist regime.
May 1st, 2007 at 8:30 pmA coup is in order! A coup is ssorely needed! A coup is immediately available! It is not a military coup! Just remember that military intelligence is a contridiction in terms! The coup available is by plain old thinking AMERICANS. The time is now! The opportunity is here! What do we have to do? NOTHING!! King George the Dumb declared the war in Iraq over! We do nothing! If he doesn’t bring our troops home we impeach, and hang him, for treason. If he brings them home we impeach and hang him for treason for sending them there.
LONG LIVE THE COUP OF THE PEOPLE!
May 1st, 2007 at 8:31 pmHow the LIBERALS have ruined the country..? Is there some alternative parallel universe or dimension that this person is living in? Am I on the other side of the looking glass? Have I been missing something?
The only thing that is going to save this country is flushing out all the neocons and impeaching Bush, Cheney, Condi, Gonzales, Rove, and the lot. There has to be some accountability for all that has been done to damage this country, our laws and the Constitution. They have to be made to account for all the deaths and the destruction this war has caused. It is time to do the hard stuff.
That is courage.
That is the only way to convince Americans that our Constitution and our laws mean something and that they are in place to protect us. If we don’t follow through with this when it is so absolutely necessary then they mean nothing. That will restore trust and faith in our leaders and our government - to see it actually work and do what it is supposed to do. We haven’t seen that in a long time.
May 1st, 2007 at 8:32 pmExactly HOW would a military coup “save” this country?
What. An. Idiot.
May 1st, 2007 at 8:33 pm“When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia, I can’t help wondering if the day may yet come when the only thing that can save this country is a military coup.â€
You may well be right, Thomas…just don’t be surprised when you find yourself and your neocon cronies on the wrong end of the guns…
May 1st, 2007 at 8:33 pmMy word….
From a magazine that accuses just about all liberals of being traitorous scum…we have a writer who seems to advocate military overthrow.
Isn’t that…I don’t know…somewhat of an Anti-American, traitorous thought? I mean, the man is considering the validity of the government and country, and what it’s built upon, being taken down and stampeded upon to put the military in charge.
That’s a damn lot more traitorous than saying ‘We’ve Lost The War’ in this dangerous lefty’s mind. But then again, I’m a liberal. According to the National Review, I’m a traitor by dint of that alone.
May 1st, 2007 at 8:34 pmAh Yeah! It was those damned liberal hippies who sent us to war & wouldn’t you know it’s those hippies who are responsible for the media being owned by 5 giant companies, and everyday those bastard hippies get on the TV & support an incompetent Prez that the damned liberals on the Supreme court made Prez.Those damned liberals screwing up my country.
May 1st, 2007 at 8:35 pmGerman politician hit by tart
May 1st, 2007 at 8:38 pmWhoa! Too bad most of the officers in the US military hate Bush and his stupid war. The Republican leadership are more likely to be fragged if they order a coup.
May 1st, 2007 at 8:38 pmAnonymous, you are a moron.
May 1st, 2007 at 8:39 pmAre you reading this Congress??
It is time to do the hard stuff! Put your country, the laws of our land, ALL Americans, the soldiers, and defending the Constitution BEFORE your careers, your political aspirations, your egos, your contributors, and the like. Time to put it ALL on the line. It is that important.
Stand up and do what is right! Stop thinking right or left. Think right and WRONG! Vote right and OVERTURN THIS VETO!! That is the only way to stop all the madness. Make no mistake, this is madness.
May 1st, 2007 at 8:40 pmIs the FBI at this guys door right now. Isn’t pushing a military take over of our country considered against the law?
May 1st, 2007 at 8:41 pmI thought the Military already runs the country. The welfare checks to the military industrial complex sure make it seem so.
May 1st, 2007 at 8:41 pmIf he wants a dictatorship I highly recommend Cuba.
May 1st, 2007 at 8:43 pmIs the FBI at this guys door right now. Isn’t pushing a military take over of our country considered against the law?
Comment by Spudge_Boy
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May 1st, 2007 at 8:43 pmAuthoritarian brownshirt Fascist show their true colors. Wow, the death of their matastasized terminal idealogy has spread to their brain.
May 1st, 2007 at 8:46 pmWell, given the present state of the military, they’ll be able to occupy the White House in much the same way they’re occupying the Green Zone. Good luck pacifying the rest of the country, tho.
If the right-wingers are going to take over, they’re going to need their own Red Guards, so to speak (i.e., Blackwater–the biggest private army in North America). The first order of business when the next Democratic president gets elected is to kick that company the hell out of the U.S. and make it illegal for a private security firm to employ more than a few dozen people and to arm them with anything more than BB guns.
May 1st, 2007 at 8:46 pm#25 Oooo, can I nominate Musharef???
May 1st, 2007 at 8:50 pmAnyone notice that all of the rightwing nuts are trotting out Nazi references and talking about killing opponants and military coups and all that?
The further they get painted into a corner, the more they are going to lash out.
-GSD
May 1st, 2007 at 8:53 pmBut, they have Blackwater….. and with our tax payer money?
May 1st, 2007 at 8:56 pm#27 GSD
May 1st, 2007 at 8:56 pmLet ‘em lash.
They got wet noodles and nothin else.
But, they have Blackwater….. and with our tax payer money?
Comment by goehl
Our combined military could ANNIHILATE Blackwater, in a heartbeat.
Not a bad idea actually.
May 1st, 2007 at 8:59 pmI AM curious about the neo-con obsession with references to Nazism…
May 1st, 2007 at 8:59 pmIs wimpy Thomas Sowell so fearful of the world that he really thinks a coup is the answer? Does he piss his pants everytime he walks outside? First, right-wingers say we liberals are weak appeasers and then they’re scared to death of us. Poor faux-macho right-wing babies.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:02 pmDid they put this nut in a straight jacket after his incoherent ramblings.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:04 pmI grew up in part of my childhood under 2 latin american milirary dictorships.
That is what made me a liberal.
Imagine, an American citizen advocating a military overthrow. They want to make us just as bad as the rest, not the shining beakon of hope.
This guy is a traitor to the Constitution of our country.
They accuse us of being traitors when we simply wish to make sure that the Constitution is followed.
What they want is their kind of dictatorship.
Why don’t they move themselves and all their money to China, Russia, Zimbodway, Cuba, or some other country where their type of governance is rammed down the throats of the powerless.
Kill them all befor they kill us
May 1st, 2007 at 9:04 pmRUcerious,
Yeah. These phonies run away or stand catatonic when someone with a pie gets near ‘em.
They aint got nothing.
-GSD
May 1st, 2007 at 9:06 pmDoes this really surprise anyone? Isn’t this the sort of thing the PNAC people and their followers have been hoping for all along? Sowell simply blurted out their true feelings.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:06 pmWe have to destroy our democracy in order to save it.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:08 pmThe National Review just needs to find the officers willing to support a right-wing coup d’etat. Unfortunately, many former commanders of the Iraq war are supporting the Democrats’ spending bill, including its requirement that Bush stop playing with the lives of our soldiers trapped in Iraq.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:10 pmI get the feeling Sowell typed that entire thing with one hand.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:11 pm#31 CaptainVideo
Tom Sowell’s sister gave birth. He is now an Uncle. Somebody told him Harriet Beecher Stowe wrote a book about him some (according to my copy published in 1851) 156 years ago. He had no choice but to change sides. Blame his sister or Harriet, not Uncle Tom and his cabin.
(I lied, I think. My copy was copyrighted in 1851 but may have been published in 1879. So reduce your offer by $10K)
May 1st, 2007 at 9:11 pm#28 Wouldn’t that be dandy? A theocratic militocracy. Maybe we can have some Lebanese Christian death squads too.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:12 pmOur combined military could ANNIHILATE Blackwater, in a heartbeat.
Not a bad idea actually.
Comment by Not Canadian
We all need to call congress and demand the removal of Blackwater. Why should we be paying for this independent military that in reality could work against us? Didn’t Rome go down because of an independent Army such as this?
Of course, with all the sham and corruption, our military will get second thoughts. This is one reason why Vietnam came to an end.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:14 pmLet’s see. 9/11, worsening economy, global isolation, loss of freedoms, constant fear of the “enemy”, deterioration of our armed forces, etc. Who has been the cause of this? The Dems? Last time I checked in on reality this happened all on Bushie’s watch.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:15 pmThe Nazis have started goose stepping in public now.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:18 pmScarier yet, deterioration of our armed forces while they are building up a privately funded independent armed force. I really don’t like that.
At the same time they are undoing our Constitution and gutting the impact of our laws, they are invading all our privacy and spying on all Americans. They are building secret prisons in our own country for anyone they deem as an enemy combatant.
It will take one more attack in our country to give them the green light to go to a police state (all in the name of heightened security). Then they will just suspend the ncoming elections along with the rest of our rights. Good times..
May 1st, 2007 at 9:22 pmThe repugnacan base will read that and walk around with a boner all week.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:25 pmThank you for reminding me about Rome’s private armies.
Well taken. But remember that the core of the patricians were mostly corrupt to the core. The Roman republic had passed out of existence ~70 years before, they were just waiting for the news to catch up with their slow life styles while they raked in the spoils.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:26 pmSounds like the elitist class who thought the One Party State was securely in hand are getting worried now. They’ve been providing media cover for the Republican Syndicate for decades now…and they see that their days are numbered. Who knows? They might find there are consequences to their actions/writings. Perhaps they recall what happened to Goebels? So Sowell is looking into the future and doesn’t like what he sees. But a military dictatorship will need people like Sowell to propagandize on their behalf. Hey, the Constitution is only a piece of paper to the Tom Sowells;their sorry asses are far more valuable.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:29 pmWe are hearing the initial heart/drumbeats of civil war in America. The 30% who blindly follow authoritarianism will blindly believe that “liberals” i.e. everyone who disagrees with their authoritarian leader, are traitors and deserve to be shot on sight.
Notice how “liberals” are being compared to Nazis. This is Orwellian logic at its finest. This path will lead to the collective insanity of 1/3 of the population, who can then be whipped into a violent frenzy. As “liberals” begin to rein in this dictatorial President, all that is needed is another “terrorist attack,” to be squarely blamed on the “Liberals” for their allowing it to happen.
Continue to pray that those who know of wrongdoing in this Administration continue to come forward with testimony and evidence.
Bush will be most dangerous when he is denied. Nothing means more to Bush than Bush getting his way. A “kristalnacht” may already be in the works.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:31 pmThomas Sowell need not worry.
The Republican Party has an armed contingent of loyal right wingnut mercenaries who have been building their own private army funded by taxpayers and Chinese investors while our armed services have been depleted and stretched to the max.
The military coup is coming.
It’s just a matter of time.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:33 pmThe Republican Party has an armed contingent of loyal right wingnut mercenaries who have been building their own private army funded by taxpayers
Comment by starwheel
And they have been tested in the “homeland” during the aftermath of Katrina. Slowly they are getting the experience on how to handle American civilians while the National Guard is away guarding other nations.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:37 pmwow. Just like Turkey. It’s a race to the bottom.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:41 pmThere has already been a coup…you just didn’t get the memo.
9/11 WAS the military coup.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:44 pmBush will be most dangerous when he is denied.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
That’s what makes me nervous….
May 1st, 2007 at 9:45 pmBush will be most dangerous when he is denied.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Denied, or crossed..
May 1st, 2007 at 9:49 pmIt’s a crazy idea. When the coup arrives I’ll be the first to enlist. You know, just to help out. Of course I’ll have to lose my American accent and learn the dialect of a goober chickenhawk.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:50 pmHopefully the Dems will see the light before a coup / rescinding the 22nd Amendment is necessary.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:53 pmFREEDOM IS ON THE MARCH.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:54 pmWelcome to the People’s Republic of Fascistan!
I’ve been telling my friends for seversl years taht this might play out this way. I keep wondering why Flightsuit Boy keeps trying to take more and more power if he knows he’s on his way out in less than 2 yrs. Perhaps the Codpiece Kid thinks different.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:54 pmBnF, what does “kristalnacht” mean, deffination please….BTW, more vultures flying around the capital last night….Blessings
May 1st, 2007 at 9:56 pmThom Hartman brought up the subject of the removal of this act: The Posse Comitatus Act - written after the civil war, disallowing our military to take up arms against US Also mentioned quite a bit is the removal of Habious corpus. These actions along with the creation of Blackwater is very very concerning….
May 1st, 2007 at 10:00 pmThomas Sowell’s cat revealed for the first time.
Seig meow.
-GSD
May 1st, 2007 at 10:01 pm#63, “kristalnacht†is a notorious event in the early days of Nazi Germany. It is an actual night when the rising Nazis went berserk. They took to the streets all over Germany, smashing the windows of Jewish stores (hence the name, crystal night - the broken glass in the streets), looting, burning books, attacking people. If I’m not mistaken, it was the night the Reichstag got burned (the German equivalent of our Capitol).
“Kristalnacht” is not an image or idea. It was an actual event, in 1936, or ‘35, I think.
May 1st, 2007 at 10:03 pmYou wimps are more AFRAID of Blackwater than the terrorists!!! Thank God Bush is saving your ass, whether you like it or not.
May 1st, 2007 at 10:04 pmSo jake, still sitting in fron of your computer, wearing your mother’s undies, and ah “playing w/ your pet hamster”?
May 1st, 2007 at 10:07 pm#63, Kristallnacht was in 1938, and was actually worse than I understood. 30,000 people were killed and many thousands more were hauled off to concentration camps. No doubt, Jake’s “pet hamster’ is getting awfully excited just thinking about it.
May 1st, 2007 at 10:11 pmSharon:
Kristallnacht, also known as Reichskristallnacht, Pogromnacht, Crystal Night and the Night of Broken Glass, was a pogrom[1] against Jews throughout Germany and parts of Austria on November 9–10, 1938.
Jewish homes were ransacked in numerous German cities along with 8,000 Jewish shops, towns and villages,[2] as civilians and stormtroopers destroyed buildings with sledgehammers, leaving the streets covered in smashed windows — the origin of the name “Night of Broken Glass.” Jews were beaten to death; 30,000 Jewish men were taken to concentration camps; and 1,668 synagogues ransacked with 267 set on fire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht
May 1st, 2007 at 10:14 pmThank God Bush is saving your ass, whether you like it or not.
Comment by Jake
Reality is Jake, Bush is not even saving YOUR ass. Wise up.
May 1st, 2007 at 10:16 pmThank you the republic of stupidity….I need to do some more study in history…
For the troll’s benefit, we are not afraid or at least I am not…I have enough food, water, gasoline, guns and bulletts to protect my self and what I have for month’s…I’ve been ready for the revolution since this bunch of coward’s got in and bull shit bush is no protector he is a lieing,war-monging drunk, druggie pupett…cheney’s nothing but evil incarnate along with the rest…I know with out a doubt lot’s of the military would be standing with me because I know them personely…Sleep well tonight you sniveling black hearted troll’s, people like me are working to save america and the world from you and your nazi friend’s…Blessings
May 1st, 2007 at 10:17 pmTo borrow a phrase:
“Jake*ss, shut up you stupid c*nt”.
And here’s a thought, why don’t you Die Now for Peace sake?
May 1st, 2007 at 10:18 pmOops sorry, republic of stupidity, I didn’t see you had already answered Sharon. :}
May 1st, 2007 at 10:23 pmThank God Bush is saving your ass, whether you like it or not.
Comment by Jake
You mean just the way he acted on the report “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the US” in the summer prior to 9/11, eh?
May 1st, 2007 at 10:26 pmThanks Sharon
If you ever want to read a true horror story, try “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich”. It is hideous, painful, and should be mandatory reading in high school or college. Until you actually go thru all 1,200 pages or so, you don’t really get the full sense of how atrocious Nazi Germany was.
It happened once, it can happen again, and it ain’t going to be Al Gore and environmentalists doing it, at least in this century, Glenn Beck’s idiocy nonwithstanding.
May 1st, 2007 at 10:28 pmYou mean just the way he acted on the report “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the US†in the summer prior to 9/11, eh?
Comment by Lora
**SMACK!!**
May 1st, 2007 at 10:29 pmNot a problem, Zooey. Anything worth saying is worht saying twice. It will get across better that way. I did get a number or 2 switched in there, and facts are facts. I did get the “essence” across, though.
May 1st, 2007 at 10:30 pmYou wimps are more AFRAID of Blackwater than the terrorists!!! Thank God Bush is saving your ass, whether you like it or not.
Comment by Jake — May 1, 2007 @ 10:04 pm
It isn’t terrorists threatening to take over liberals with a military coup is it jakeass. It’s you right wing nuts that are making comments like this daily. And that doesn’t bother you at all?
May 1st, 2007 at 10:35 pmSharon, I see others have already answered your question with the history.
I would only add, that “kristalnacht” was used as an excuse to target Jews. Jews were blamed. They were the “terrorists.” And Germans relinquished their civil liberties following kristalnacht, ceding power to Hitler and the Nazi Party.
9/11 had the same effect as kristalnacht. What is not yet known is whether or not members of the Bush Administration pulled off 9/11 or whether Allah truly did assist a handful of Muslims in what could only otherwise be described as a miracle.
May 1st, 2007 at 10:36 pmSo Jake.
To be blunt, do you advocate the military overthrow of the Constitution of the United States. Are you so sure that you wish to be it’s enemy?
Please be blunt (erectile) and plain.
Remember that the NSC if probably monorting these exchanges. And that there will be billions of emails available to the prosecution which your people will have made available in the future through the survailance programs. These kind of things do not dissapear from the internet.
How will your responses be viewed by a Democratic Party controlled government to whom you have so happily surrendered your rights over too, while thinking your kind would be in power forever.
Do not worry your sexual organ about it, because Democrates accually believe in their principles about 50 to 100 times more then you believe in yours.
You kind attempted to creat a Republican Police state. Instead you may suffer from a Democtatic state that may be intrested in finding out who stole the people of their rights. You so willingly surrendered yours for the appearance of immortal power.
In my lifetime I have seen 3 attempts by Republican Presidents to overthrow constitutional governance.
Saddly the fool I am, I voted for 2 of those vandals.
May 1st, 2007 at 10:37 pmI did get the “essence†across, though.
Comment by the republic of stupidity
Yes, the essence of horror. :(
May 1st, 2007 at 10:37 pmThank God Bush is saving your ass, whether you like it or not.
Comment by Jake
You mean just the way he acted on the report “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the US†in the summer prior to 9/11, eh?
Comment by Lora — May 1, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
And the way he rescued hurrican victims. Boy Jake we sure are glad he’s keeping us all so safe.
May 1st, 2007 at 10:38 pm#76: I agree. THE definitive account of Hitler’s rise to power and the reign of terror that the Nazis unleashed on Europe and Russia.
May 1st, 2007 at 10:38 pmI remember when CBS, “back in the day” serialized Shirer’s book on Walter Cronkite’s show “The 20th Century”. This was in the mid 1960s I think. Great way to learn history for a kid back then. I then read the book in HS in the early 70s. Still have my original copy. I think its time to read it again.
You wimps are more AFRAID of Blackwater than the terrorists!!! Thank God Bush is saving your ass, whether you like it or not. Comment by Jake — May 1, 2007 @ 10:04 pm
The difference is that Blackwater has a trained army AND equipment already here, along with wingNUTS you defend that want a COUP. Sorry, but I’m still trying to see where there’s a *difference*? You both sound like the same terrorists to me. Maybe it’s because wingNUTS like the founder of BlackWater trained the Al Qaeda boys?
May 1st, 2007 at 10:40 pmGod Bush is saving your ass, whether you like it or not.
Comment by Jake — May 1, 2007 @ 10:04 pm
“God Bush” is not my savior.
“God Bush” is the world’s deadliest terrorist currently alive, with about 3/4 of a million innocent lives to his “credit.”
May 1st, 2007 at 10:40 pmZooey, it’s best to live w/ both eyes wide open. It may be painful to see waht’s right in front of you, but much easier to deal w/. These are truly scary times and we cannot underestimate the potential for horror that lies in waiitng all of us for a chance to come forward.
May 1st, 2007 at 10:42 pmIt seems to me it is the Neoconservative Republicans who are systematically trying to dismantle our system of government and protections, and blow everything up. They are the ones draining our treasury. It is the Dems who are working to save it and restore it to what it should be. It is the Dems who are fighting to protect the Constitution and protect our soldiers.
And so, who should I be worried about? Who is doing the damage? Who should I be afraid of? The ‘terrorists’ don’t appear to be the biggest threat to our country and all it is built on and stands for.
May 1st, 2007 at 10:43 pmthe republic of stupidity,
I’m onboard, with eyes wide open. Don’t know how anyone could have their eyes closed at this point, actually.
May 1st, 2007 at 10:46 pm#s 84 & 88, agreed.
May 1st, 2007 at 10:46 pmSome do Zooey. Its the 30% that still, somehow support the Numbnuts in the White House.
May 1st, 2007 at 10:49 pmImpeachment needs to be put back on the table. NOW.
Geez, they are really panicking, aren’t they?
May 1st, 2007 at 10:53 pmSome do Zooey. Its the 30% that still, somehow support the Numbnuts in the White House.
Impeachment needs to be put back on the table. NOW.
Comment by Jim Wolf359
It’s positively willful at this point — sheer stubbornness and/or stupidity. Disturbing….
I agree — Impeachment NOW.
May 1st, 2007 at 10:53 pmThank you Zooey, and welcome aboard.
Are you familiar w/ Emile Durkheim (pioneer sociologist)? He had a theory that criminals served a valid function in society. I am paraphrasing here, like I did w/ “Kristallnacht”, but it goes something to the effect, that when a criminal, say Mark Foley, does something atrocious, like bugger a House page, it unites us all in what we won’t stand for. In effect, the criminals help us clarify us in our social standards.
In that sense, G Bush is actually a uniter - we all hate him now.
AND, for the first time in my life, I’m seeing an enormous number of people standing up at once and saying, “Hey, wait a minute, I LIKE my Constitution”. perhaps in the ned, this will be a good thing after all.
The way it is written and intended to function, the Contitution is indeed a marvel of human thought, and well worht fighting for.
May 1st, 2007 at 10:55 pmThat they are Kim. The Repugs thought the revolution would last forever. They didn’t see the other one thats about to hit them like a freight train.
May 1st, 2007 at 10:55 pmDamn, you guy’s are good, I mean it..Read the wickapedia thing, thank’s Lady Z, thank’s to the republic of stupidity and BnF as well…I gotta tell ya when some one mentioned The rise and fall of the third reich I was stunned.. I could of read it but didn’t, my second husband was reading it right after we got married, he was a republican, me a dem and lot’s of stuff he read I would not…Now year’s later I will look for it and read it….By the way it turned out he was a lot like a nazi..LOL..Blessings all
May 1st, 2007 at 10:56 pmThank God Bush is saving your ass, whether you like it or not.
Comment by Jake
Reality is Jake, Bush is not even saving YOUR ass. Wise up.
Comment by goehl
I don’t think Bush even knows how to wipe his own @$$, let alone save ours. Sorry about the mental image, folks.
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May 1st, 2007 at 10:59 pmThat all right, CONservative, we’re all a little edgy right now. Scary F*#kin’ times we are living, no?
There’s an old Chinese curse - may you live in exciting times. I think I understand it now.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:02 pmSharon, I consider Rise and Fall to be one of the most important books ever written. It deals with a period and time that shaped our world and our country like nothing else ever did.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:04 pmMost importantly, it should serve as a warning to those who become lazy in defense of their freedoms and liberties that this is what can and will happen if we become so complacent that we allow ourselves to be led like sheep to the slaughter. Because we didn’t know better.
Thank you Zooey, and welcome aboard.
Heh, thanks. I’ve only been around TP two years. :)
Are you familiar w/ Emile Durkheim (pioneer sociologist)? He had a theory that criminals served a valid function in society.
Comment by the republic of stupidity
Oh absolutely! I’m a Soc major, and we were just discussing Durkheim’s Structural Strain theory today. I love it when I learn something useful. :-)
May 1st, 2007 at 11:05 pm#100 Quiet noob :)
May 1st, 2007 at 11:07 pmI could of read it but didn’t, my second husband was reading it right after we got married, he was a republican, me a dem and lot’s of stuff he read I would not…Now year’s later I will look for it and read it….By the way it turned out he was a lot like a nazi..LOL..Blessings all
Comment by Sharon
I tried reading that, but it made me sick. My dad reads all those kinds of books, and stays glued to the “All Hitler, All the Time” channel. (History Channel)
I hope some day he reads about the history of the Iraq War, and finally has some sense leak into his brain. :P
May 1st, 2007 at 11:08 pmApologies, Zooey, but it is the first time you’ve come aboard my ship, so to speak. Nice to meet you.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:09 pm#100 Quiet noob :)
Comment by JPark
**raspberry**
**crossed eyes**
May 1st, 2007 at 11:12 pm#102 The All Hitler Channel is not just a right wing male thing, I don’t think. That era was fascinating. I like watching it as well. I think guys are hard-wired that way. As a lefty, though, I think more along the lines of “what the he!! would possess them to do sh!t like that” while a righty has stars in his eyes and is praying for a modern day Hitler.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:13 pmApologies, Zooey, but it is the first time you’ve come aboard my ship, so to speak. Nice to meet you.
Comment by the republic of stupidity
Nice to meet you, as well. :)
May 1st, 2007 at 11:13 pmAs a lefty, though, I think more along the lines of “what the he!! would possess them to do sh!t like that†while a righty has stars in his eyes and is praying for a modern day Hitler.
Comment by JPark
I don’t think he’s hoping for a do-over. He’s retired military and a retired Judge, so he’s all into the strategies and legalities. I just wish he’d pay a little more attention to the Iraq War. Oh well….
May 1st, 2007 at 11:16 pm**raspberry**?
**crossed eyes**??
Let’s behave ourselves here. This is “Think Progress”, after all, where the Liberal Elite Come to Meet!
May 1st, 2007 at 11:18 pm#107 I’m sorry, I was not really talking about the older set. And being ex-military I would imagine the era would be interesting to him. However, if he is not paying attention to the Iraq war (being a vet he could not escape the fact that they have screwed up over and over) I am thinking it is denial.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:19 pmLet’s behave ourselves here. This is “Think Progressâ€, after all, where the Liberal Elite Come to Meet!
Comment by the republic of stupidity
That was in lieu of my normal string of profanity. I’m trying to clean up my act.
No laughing…..
May 1st, 2007 at 11:21 pm#110 Oh, you just weren’t talking to a righty!! The profanity is reserved for Tranny. :)
May 1st, 2007 at 11:22 pmI am thinking it is denial.
Comment by JPark
Yes. I think he truly wants to believe this war is legitimate — can’t conceive that our government would actually do something like this. We had to stop talking about politics and war, because it was just too damaging. So I wait for the light to come on.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:24 pmOh, you just weren’t talking to a righty!! The profanity is reserved for Tranny. :)
Comment by JPark
Oy, I need to change my name….don’t let me try to make a good impression. Oh no, can’t have that. :D
May 1st, 2007 at 11:27 pm#112 I think he should do some research on the shenanigans in South America during the Reagan years, too.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:29 pmPol Pot anybody?
May 1st, 2007 at 11:30 pmYeessss… come to think of it, I do recall reading an obscenity-laced comment or two from someone named “Zooey” here before…
May 1st, 2007 at 11:30 pm#113 A noob wouldn’t know who Tranny is though. We would see right through a new name :)
May 1st, 2007 at 11:32 pm#113 NOT YENTA!!!!! She gives me the creeps!!
May 1st, 2007 at 11:33 pmYeessss… come to think of it, I do recall reading an obscenity-laced comment or two from someone named “Zooey†here before…
Comment by the republic of stupidity
Well, my name gets hijacked a lot….
That could be it. Heh.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:36 pmThis is the kind of comment spewed by a damned loser, someone who has been wrong for so many years that he is starting to crack.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:36 pmMilitary coup ? Americans ought to be ashamed of subscribing to a publication that allows that pure treason (oh, I see who owns it now - makes sense). Does this pathetic loser have some vision of becoming a Goebells in some sort of short lived new Amerikana ? Surely they would blow up the planet in a matter of months. Ah, his fantasy. Too many video games son. Is this supposed to be the best of the right ? Any more convincing logic out there that 70% of Americans are off their rocker ?
NOT YENTA!!!!! She gives me the creeps!!
Comment by JPark
I shall file that information in my revenge file. Thank you, JPark. :D
Hell, you didn’t even know that was me. Heh. Last night I was cursing that michael troll in Yiddish and he didn’t know it. And he claims to be a Jew. What a dork.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:39 pm#121 I have known for a long time but you are right. I didn’t know until you said it.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:40 pm#121 I saw that. I kinda think he thought it was German.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:41 pmYeessss… come to think of it, I do recall reading an obscenity-laced comment or two from someone named “Zooey†here before…
Comment by the republic of stupidity — May 1, 2007 @ 11:30 pm
Zooey, obscenity-laced, shocking!?!?!?!?
She was name-jacked I tell ya, name-jacked.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:42 pmAny more convincing logic out there that 70% of Americans are off their rocker ?
I understand your frustration, Nuclearclock, but I’d like to think the percentage is not as high as 70%. On the other hand, did you read the article the other day about the Utah Repub meeting wherein one of them declared that illegal immigration is Satan’s attempt to destroy the US?
There’s an episode of the Simpsons where Milhouse explains his theory of the “Rand Corporation, under the supervision of the reverse-vampires…” Sounds waaaaayyyy too much the Utah repubs, or vice versa.
The Simpsons are funny. Utah Repubs are just depressing and scary.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:46 pmHell, you didn’t even know that was me. Heh. Last night I was cursing that michael troll in Yiddish and he didn’t know it. And he claims to be a Jew. What a dork.
Comment by Zooey — May 1, 2007 @ 11:39 pm
I asked him what language you were using and he didn’t answer. I’m sure all the trolls are evangelicals saying they’re other religions like they pretend they’re independents.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:47 pmWhat? Name-jacked? On “Think Progress”?
Quick, someone call Alberto Gonzales and THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT!
A crime has been committed.
Round up the usual suspets!
May 1st, 2007 at 11:49 pm#125 Nuke was asking the 30%ers why the sane 70%ers were off their rocker.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:50 pmI asked him what language you were using and he didn’t answer. I’m sure all the trolls are evangelicals saying they’re other religions like they pretend they’re independents.
Comment by Shane
He’s so dumb, all he had to do was use “the Google,” and it would have popped up immediately. That troll may claim to be many things, but he’s only proven one thing: He’s dumber than a bag of hair.
Goodnight, Shane. First exam tomorrow!
May 1st, 2007 at 11:53 pmOn C-SPAN a few days ago, a caller made the observation that today’s Republican “conservatives” are actually yesterday’s Dixiecrats. The more I think about this idea, the truer it becomes - with the inherent “south will rise again”, overthrow the government, burn a cross on your lawn components intact. Think about the city dweller of today (Northern industrialists of the old order), and the rural dwellers (the agricultural South of the old order). Now draw a political map in your mind’s eye, and tell me where the red and blue line up.
War is coming. The “North” will win again.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:53 pm#129 That was my thought when Shane said that but he is not really that acquainted with the tubes.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:55 pm#130 Bush is going to regret his carpetbagging from Conn. to Tex.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:56 pmsmafdy…
If you go back to the early days of the Republican party, they were seen as the progressive alternative to the corrupt Democratic establishment. Early Repubs were actually very pro-environmental, for the times.
Political parties change places over time.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:57 pm#133 True. Teddy Roosevelt would be giving every right-wing ba$tard the beating they truly deserve.
May 2nd, 2007 at 12:02 amDid someone get that Teddy Roosevelt quote out there already?
May 2nd, 2007 at 12:05 am#135 I don’t think so Terry. I just know Teddy would not be happy. What quote are you thinking?
May 2nd, 2007 at 12:09 amTeddy Roosevelt would be giving every right-wing ba$tard the beating they truly deserve.
Comment by JPark — May 2, 2007 @ 12:02 am
Leonardo DiCaprio will be playing Teddy Roosevelt in a film out 2008. And DiCaprio sent the neocons over the edge with his stance on global warming. The irony is too delicious.
May 2nd, 2007 at 12:22 am#137 I really can’t see him as Roosevelt. He doesn’t exactly have the age or the girth. Then again I never thought Will Smith could pull off Ali.
May 2nd, 2007 at 12:33 amOff topic:
Terry, Liverpool made it.
May 2nd, 2007 at 12:35 amThank God Bush is saving your ass, whether you like it or not.
Comment by Jake — May 1, 2007 @ 10:04 pm
Much like the way he swooped in, and rescued the people in New Orleans after Katrina -you know, having had about a week’s notice before the hurricane made landfall to prepare….
May 2nd, 2007 at 12:37 amIt’s too easy to agree with guys here, and it leaves me with very little new thought to post. But- like the scrawl on a seedy roadhouse men’s room- if you really want to have a good time, go on over to newsbusters.org and check it out. Lots of fun to be had and they go ballistic! I call them Floyd’s Barbershop and they hate it soooo much. Most fun to rile are Blonde, Sarcasmo and Bigtimer. Not many posters there and the editors are reaching to be the answer to MediaMatters.
May 2nd, 2007 at 12:40 amLast night I was cursing that michael troll in Yiddish and he didn’t know it. And he claims to be a Jew. What a dork.
Comment by Zooey
LMAO
good one
He’s dumber than a bag of hair.
Comment by Zooey
OMG, that was “better not drink that coffee before reading” funny.
May 2nd, 2007 at 12:40 amPut that one in my quotes collection =)
On topic, is there any doubt that these right-wingers actually loathe democracy, and really do long for a military regime?
By the way, you do know what follows a military coup, don’t you? That’s right, political cleansing -the “disappearing” of political opponents, and anyone suspected of not being politically pure, as defined by the Dear (mis)Leader.
These people and their Bush personality cult give me the creeps….
May 2nd, 2007 at 12:40 am#140 He is a freaking superhuman saint, ain’t he?
May 2nd, 2007 at 12:42 am#141 Not many posters there and the editors are reaching to be the answer to MediaMatters.
Ahh, so they are deleting any post that is in the least offensive? MMFA is pathetic in its political correctness.
May 2nd, 2007 at 12:43 amOh, sorry JG, I didn’t know you lived in New Orleans. That’s a local matter.
May 2nd, 2007 at 12:46 am#146 Meaning you know jack and now that you know someone knows more than you, you will run the other way as fast as you can. Right, Jakey?
May 2nd, 2007 at 12:52 amI don’t live in New Orleans… (What..?)
May 2nd, 2007 at 12:54 amBut I did stay there at a Holiday Inn.. :-)
May 2nd, 2007 at 1:02 amOh, sorry JG, I didn’t know you lived in New Orleans. That’s a local matter. Comment by Jake — May 2, 2007 @ 12:46 am
All politics are local Jake*ss. You’re a really st*pid little sh*t - son.
May 2nd, 2007 at 1:03 amI don’t live in New Orleans… (What..?)
Comment by JG — May 2, 2007 @ 12:54 am
Ignore Jake’s post - in terms of content. He forgets to take his meds, and come here rambling random and st*pid b*llsh*t. He’s a complete sociopath and raging lunatic that should be in a padded cell with his arms strapped to his back.
May 2nd, 2007 at 1:05 amThank God Bush is saving your ass, whether you like it or not.
Comment by Jake
Pretty much when he was trying to catch all those guys that were jumping from WTC towers.
May 2nd, 2007 at 1:07 amThese reich wing scumbags like Sowell should be very careful what they wish for. For some reason, if a military coup happens, I just don’t see the military going after democrats and liberals. The military knows who screwed them over for the past six years. And it’s not the democrats.
May 2nd, 2007 at 1:12 am#152 I tell you, I wouldn’t want him playing center field for the Brewers.
May 2nd, 2007 at 1:12 amIs wimpy Thomas Sowell so fearful of the world that he really thinks a coup is the answer? Does he piss his pants everytime he walks outside? First, right-wingers say we liberals are weak appeasers and then they’re scared to death of us. Poor faux-macho right-wing babies.
Comment by Willy
Yeah, this logic always amuses me. If you are so scared of terrorist attacks, that you are willing to give up your freedoms in exchanger for security, you are somehow supposed to be considered brave.
However, if you are willing to be the potential victim of a terrorist attack, in order to protect your freedoms, you are somehow considered a coward. Forget the fact that our “War on Terror” serves no good other than to breed more terrorist, make military contractors rich, and keeps these elite in power via fear.
Well, as illogical as all this BS is, the truth is, that the guys that are spouting out this garbage know damned well that it’s utter BS. Their just doing the dirty work for the elite, both Republican and Democrats, that are destroying our country and our way of life.
Make no mistake about it. These characters are ultimately testing the waters and setting the stage for the US to become a dictatorship. And don’t be fooled into thinking that “it can’t happen here”. Like Franks said, we are only one terrorist event way from throwing out the constitution. I believe that he knows what he’s talking about.
IMO, this will all come to ahead sometime next summer. I really suggest that you guys begin to prepare yourselves. It’s going to get very ugly. Just read your history books for further proof.
May 2nd, 2007 at 1:14 amThis article reminds me of when Larry King is a guest columnist for The Onion:
May 2nd, 2007 at 6:30 amAnd yet he has a point!
To save America, we’ve got to suspend elections, shut down the major media outlets, put every Republican official in the country under house arrest, and nationalize the news media–just for starters.
We’ve then got to airlift the cool people out of Texas and herd the Republicans there. The right can have their own country, where they will quickly die. Only then will America be safe for our children. All in all, a military coup might help with this.
May 2nd, 2007 at 6:56 am#67 - You’re right. I am more afraid of private armies than I am of terrorists.
Imagine if leftist extremists had training camps, weapons caches and received millions in funding to recruit warrior wannabes and disgruntled, underpaid soldiers from the active volunteer military.
You characterize the left as “wimps”; however, leftist governments are as capable of human rights violations as right wing governments have been.
Terrorists are only capable of small coordinated attacks killing relatively small groups of people.
Private armies with extremist ideologies are capable of genocide.
But, on the bright side, I still think trolls are funny with the “Bush is saving your ass” type comments.
May 2nd, 2007 at 7:05 amMilitary coup??? What an insane idea. Is that what Republicans want??? They are so hell bent on getting their way and ONLY their way that they would consider a military coup??? In the United States of America??? And how is this idea not worse than Reid’s truthful statement that the war is lost? Instead of working together with ALL the people in America the Repubs would consider a military coup???
oh yeah….they take the military road before anything else….there’s no sitting down and negotiating with the Repubs. There’s no compromise with them.
I think of all the things I’ve read and heard and have been told this one is about the craziest of all….and totally out of line!
May 2nd, 2007 at 7:31 amFurther proof that these people hate the very ideas the US was founded on. This has been their mind set for a long time I’m not sure why anyone is surprised.
May 2nd, 2007 at 7:58 amThe far right is loosing its hold on power. Wingers are going nuts. They simply cannot accept that their white knight, George W. Bush, blew it, and that conservative Republicans in Congress are corrupt. Watch them grow more and more crazy during the coming months. By the war, isn’t it still a crime to advocate the violent overthrow of the United States Constitution?
May 2nd, 2007 at 8:54 amSowell is such a simpleton, I sometimes think that conservatives publish his writings for hidden racist reasons.
May 2nd, 2007 at 8:59 amIsn’t this precisely what the Bush Cabal and Bush Crime Family has been attempting to do over the past 6 years (scratching head - duh!)….
May 2nd, 2007 at 9:19 amI thank God all of you are here to post (except for dumbass Jake). It’s become part of my day to read your comments, learn and feel validated. Sometimes I learn more from you guys than the actual story as there a some excellent links and follow-ups posted.
Somehow I got myself hooked on a local political website where MOST (95%) posters are Bush followers and complete whackos. I’ve tried to disengage myself but I just can’t let them get away with copying and pasting stories from Matt Drudge as if they were fact. However, they despise me as much as we hate Jake. I’m not rude, I just call them on their bs by posting links that prove stories like Matt Drudge’s are complete crap.
So, my point, thanks for making my day, you excellent liberals. By the way, lets all meet up in those Halliburton concentration camps these people are building for us!!
May 2nd, 2007 at 9:30 amAnd this seditious bastard is allowed to live freely in this country? He should drop to his knees and thank every soldier who ever died in the name of our liberal Constitution! He should be made to visit every one of our wounded soldiers who have fought for our nation while he and his ilk have stolen elections, placed their ideologues in high office, dismantled our Constitution, and taken this country to an illegal and misguided war. He is not taking a political position, his is a position of hatred toward his fellow man and country. His is not a position of “love it or leave it”, but rather “steal it”. Put him on a plane to Iraq as a civilian so he can fight for whatever he thinks he believes in, and cancel his passport.
May 2nd, 2007 at 9:44 amRight now if there was a military coup I think it would be to get rid of the lawless traitors Bush and Chaney. Wouldn’t that be a hoot. I wonder how the right wing talking heads would spin that.
May 2nd, 2007 at 10:12 amWow, this guy’s implying Democracy in our country isn’t working!!
What a blithering freaking spineless idiot!
He can’t stand when things aren’t going his way (primarily because they were misugided, ill conceived, poorly managed etc.) by simply ignoring facts, denying even trying to listen to people who probably have much more knowledge than he does and refusing to even consider different viewpoints. Ouviously he’s speaking with rhetoric, but still to even to say such things is simply idiotic.
Maybe he can recruit the wacko militias and other fringe right wing groups to rise to his “cause. ” Scarry indeed.
May 2nd, 2007 at 11:33 amAdvocating the armed overthrow of the US Constitution is the definition of treason. All you need are two witnesses to the same overt act. And, it’s a rightie. Typical.
May 2nd, 2007 at 12:25 pmI agree with the poster that mentioned 9/11 was a coup - and We the People have been under a sort of dictatorship ever since. We have been lolled and threatened into silence as we watch our once great nation die. There will be another terrorist attack from the same people GW is working for -whoever THEY are. The more these criminals are backed into a corner the more likely they will attack again. Get ready people!
May 2nd, 2007 at 1:04 pmThere will be another terrorist attack from the same people GW is working for -whoever THEY are. The more these criminals are backed into a corner the more likely they will attack again. Get ready people!
Comment by green
Yep, that’s my belief too. Perhaps on September 11 2008, just in time to suspend the Presidential election due to such a national emergency.
Then people will understand why Bush made all these signing statements modifying laws regarding wiretapping, e-mail gathering, mail opening, detention of US citizens without legal representation and most of all, changes to the Posse Comitatus Act that will allow the Feds to commandeer the National Guard in case of a national emergency.
It’s pretty freakin’ obvious that they they are setting the stage for some event which will trigger an all out nation wide martial law. I’m just shocked that more people don’t see the obvious. I think that most people, even those critical of Bush, are just plain in denial about it.
We shall see.
May 2nd, 2007 at 3:43 pm“Uncle Tom ” Sowell has finally lost it. Shameless.
May 2nd, 2007 at 11:44 pmJPV
I agree completely…… But by the way things are going for these folks I predict this September 11 — or sometime between now and then. I’m sure they (whoever they are) are planning the next attack. I’m sure it will make 9/11 look miniscule in comparison.
I hope I’m wrong…….
May 3rd, 2007 at 12:09 am